IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-06-06

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dreamerhow can I update the library of the default mediaplayer? I just added my new card00:20
keriofasta: it should already be supported00:21
kerioi mean, it would be weird if it wasn't, my wifi network is wpa2/aes only, and it works00:21
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fastakerio: also in the GUI?00:22
kerioyeah, sure00:22
fastakerio: it certainly isn't in my version. Since when?00:22
fastakerio: It's not in the default Nokia release.00:23
fastakerio: is there some wiki page?00:23
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kerioi'm on PR1.2 fwiw00:23
keriowhich is actually a bit old00:23
fastakerio: are you sure your network is not just using fallback?00:23
fastakerio: i.e. did you explicitly configure or see the string wpa2 anywhere on your phone?00:24
fastakerio: I think I also have PR1.2.00:24
fastaSo, not wpa, but wpa2.00:25
keriopretty sure, yeah00:25
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: YT?00:29
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DocScrutinizer51not really00:31
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Woody14619fasta: I use wpa2 at home, no fall-back, and have since at least PR1.2.  There are tons of things that can bork wpa2 though.  Search TMO forums for wpa2 setup problems and you'll find manythreads, almost all with a solution.01:09
fastaWoody14619: and it is shown in the GUI?01:09
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Woody14619fasta: yes and no.  There's a bug that can cause it to not show up depending on how you add the network.  If you add it the normal way (hit top bar, network, and select it) then it shows up fine.  If you try to use settings, internet connections, add, it doesn't.01:10
Woody14619fasta: I think that particular bug was fixed in PR1.3, but I'm not sure of it, as I tend to use the former method, not the later.01:11
fastaIs there also some way to add mediaformats to play?01:11
Woody14619media formats?01:11
fastaI.e. those that come from more modern phones like the Samsung Galaxy S2?01:11
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fastaI have no idea, what it is, quite likely it's playable with vlc on a desktop system.01:12
Woody14619Still not sure what you mean... but... mplayer and vlc are available on N900.01:12
Woody14619But if a particular phone is using some proprietary codec, good odds unless you're on that particular device it won't work.01:13
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fastaWoody14619: it's just that it doesn't play with the built-in media player.01:27
fastaWoody14619: so, perhaps vlc on the phone just plays it. vlc on the desktop surely plays it.01:27
fastaThe thing which is great about this channel is that the signal to noise level is relatively high (if you don't count me ;) ) .01:28
Woody14619fasta: vlc has a lot of extra codecs in it, and is activly still developed. media player has a nice base set.01:28
fastaWoody14619: is there some way to tell the media player to take a hike and to let vlc take over?01:28
Woody14619fasta: there are app reassigners, not sure what the name of the package is though.  So yes.  But vlc is much heavier then media player, and not quite as stable.01:30
Woody14619K, am off... have to get out of here. :)  Good luck fasta01:30
fastaWoody14619: thanks anyway. I will lookin to the whole wpa2 thing.01:31
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nox-ffplay applehttp+ - venus transit, 72002:09
nox-(ot :)02:09
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Palinox-, thanks for non flash link!02:24
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mtnmani connected to my n900 with "ssh -X hostname" and did "startx" but the command is not found.  is there a way to make this work?04:00
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SpeedEvilyou're trying to do what?04:01
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mtnmani am trying to run X applications on the n900 and display on a separate machine04:42
SpeedEvilyou don't generally want to run startx then - that will start an X server, which won't work at all remotely.04:46
SpeedEvilSimply running an X application should forward over the X link04:46
SpeedEvilthe ssh link04:46
mtnmangood point04:48
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Estel^mtnman, You may want to read:04:49
Estel^it is about different thing, but problems with X forwarding are mentioned there04:49
mtnmanthank you i will read it. thanks.04:49
Estel^SpeedEvil, what kind of X applications on N900 are suited to run over remote X?04:50
Estel^isn't it broken?04:50
SpeedEvilmany don't work04:50
Estel^do we know cause?04:50
SpeedEvilThey require local shared memory04:50
Estel^and proper way to fix it would be?...04:51
Hurrianmount /dev/shm ?04:51
SpeedEvilRewrite the app to not require local shared memory04:51
Estel^(.e. tweaking some configs, Or recompiling something, or RE some closed bit in Maemo...)04:51
Estel^Hurrian, on N900's side? and why it won't work?:P04:51
Estel^(won't work - assumption based on common opinion that it won't work without rewriting)04:52
Hurrianhmm, tmpfs is already mounted on /dev/shm04:52
SpeedEviltmpfs is irrelevant04:52
Hurrianperhaps we should make it bigger?04:52
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Hurrianit's only 64M04:52
SpeedEvilIt requires shared memory access with th evideo buffer04:52
SpeedEvilwhich is on another computer04:53
SpeedEvilwhich will be ... trick04:53
Estel^SpeedEvil, why is it problem on N900, and isn't in generic? linuxbox04:53
SpeedEvilIt is.04:53
SpeedEvilNot all stuff works remotely.04:53
SpeedEvilMore stuff is designed to fallback gracefully04:53
Estel^SpeedEvil, the link I mentioned is a WIP to make N900 connected with Raspberry Pi via USB networking, into using Pi's HDMI-out04:54
Estel^it already works for easy debian...04:54
Estel^forfwarding whole thing to different video output... (easy debian processed on N900)04:54
Estel^but, still can't make it work properly for Maemo itself04:55
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HurrianEstel^, easy-debian uses xephyr04:55
Estel^what would be, in easy steps a way to forward out little Maemo?04:55
Estel^Hurrian, yep04:55
Estel^SpeedEvil, the point is to sue different resolutions, and to not use PAL video out ;)04:55
Estel^= I would eb glad to even use real 800x480 via dhmi on external screen, but of course, other, higher resolutions would be great to04:56
HurrianEstel^, vncserver -geometry 800x480 -nolisten tcp :104:56
SpeedEvilThen you need to startup a whole new desktop04:56
Estel^no no no, vnc is too slow04:56
HurrianEstel^, vncserver -geometry 1920x1080 -nolisten tcp :104:56
SpeedEvilIf you don't want to use the same resolution.04:56
SpeedEvilAnd almost nothing at all will work04:56
SpeedEvilAs it's all one resolution only04:56
Estel^SpeedEvil, ok, lets start with desktop @ 800x48004:56
SpeedEvilGenerally only minimally ported stuff without hildon tweaks works properly04:57
Estel^higher resolutions would be mean to run with only such stuff04:57
SpeedEvil(at other res)04:57
Estel^Hurrian, VNC is too slow in such setup, and we need at least good 10 FPS :P04:57
Estel^SpeedEvil, could You, if got some spare time anytime soon, look @   and problems mentioned there?04:58
Estel^would be evry rgateful for Your input :)04:58
Estel^s/evry rgateful/very grateful/04:58
infobotEstel^ meant: would be very grateful for Your input :)04:58
Estel^as You sounds like someone who know how to deal with this stuff04:59
Estel^Hurrian, You're also welcomed there, but You're there already, so I haven't invited You :P04:59
HurrianEstel^, DISPLAY=192.168.1.x:0.0 startx, i guess04:59
Hurrianwith an X client listening04:59
SpeedEvilIn principle, you can start the maemo X stack, pointed to another X server.05:00
Estel^one caveat - N900's things are, many times, hardcoded to Display<local>05:00
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Hurrianyou still don't have opengl anything though05:00
SpeedEvilMost stuff - possibly including the window manager - won't actually work like this.05:00
Hurrianwhich means hildon breaks05:00
SpeedEvilSo, you won't end up with a functioning system at all.05:00
SpeedEvilIf you do manage to patch it into sort-of-working - none of the 'main' applications actually works.05:01
SpeedEvil(I think I found a few which did - but they were few and far between)05:01
Estel^any way to overcome this problem?05:01
SpeedEvilAnd then you run into the issue that doing it this way - you don't have a working normal display.05:01
SpeedEvilOr alternatively, you have two copies of X and the whole stack in RAM. In 256M05:01
SpeedEvilWhich is a good benchmark of swap.05:02
SpeedEvilBut little else05:02
SpeedEvilIn principle, something faster than VNC could be done to clone the desktop.05:02
Estel^lets say that switching between EITHER normal display and remote isn't a problem, but, any way to actually make it *work*, not proof-of-concept?05:02
SpeedEvilMore is challenging.05:02
SpeedEvilI've not seen any clean way to switch programs between X servers05:02
Estel^cloning desktop could be ok, if we would have something that doens't care about bandwidth05:03
Estel^and, for example, tries to maintain constant FPS05:03
SpeedEvilIn principle, you would need to fork the X server, and make an X server with an integrated optimised VNC client.05:03
Estel^0 compression, etc, to not add much overhead05:03
HurrianSpeedEvil, such a thing is not at all good. app will need to be relaunched with DISPLAY variable05:03
SpeedEvilThis could be quite a lot faster.05:03
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SpeedEvilHurrian: I don't think it's in principle impossible, but it would need a 'shim' with lots of state05:03
Estel^ok, so now, why Easy Debian works liek a charm without additional overhead? due to xephyr?05:04
SpeedEvilHurrian: the patched X server is possibly the easier way.05:04
HurrianEstel^, local networking05:04
Estel^and no way to add xephyr layer to Maemo or part of it, I suppose?05:04
HurrianEstel^, you'd have to start all of hildon-desktop again05:04
Estel^Hurrian, I'm talking about local networking as whole backend - USB networking between raspberry Pi and N90005:05
SpeedEvilIn principle, you could instead of forking the X server, make Xephyr understand multiple displays05:05
HurrianSpeedEvil, basically, making the raspi look like a second screen under the current xserver05:05
SpeedEvilAnd then start the whole stack under xephyr05:05
Estel^it's a pity that no existing tools could be used... or I'm wrong? I'm quite not experienced enough to modify code of existing things that much.05:06
SpeedEvilHurrian: Or that.05:06
SpeedEvilAs far as I'm aware, there are no suitable tools.05:06
SpeedEvilIs there an ##x?05:06
HurrianSpeedEvil, actually, we should look into the kernel driver for the TV-Out, and see how it clones the display, scales and sends05:06
Estel^Hurrian, making things to see RPi as second screen, would include any very hard to do modifications, and/or closed bits roadblocks?05:06
HurrianEstel^, closed bits shouldn't be roadblocks05:07
Estel^hm, kernel-driver for tv-out? I wonder if it's open05:07
SpeedEvilIt is05:07
HurrianEstel^, the kernel patch is open, so I assume it is05:07
Estel^Hurrian, using it to send non-scaled output would be great05:07
Estel^will try to buggy freemangordon or Pali about it - it is, for sure, much more benefit than messing for ages with facebook upload plugin (without any disrespect to work being done to RE the latter)05:08
HurrianEstel^, yeah, create a fake framebuffer device to send output of any resolution05:08
Estel^if no rocket-science involved, it could be best option05:08
Estel^Hurrian, fake framebuffer is re modified tv-out kernel module, yep?05:08
SpeedEvilStuff like video is unlikely to work.05:09
Estel^no problem, it's not meant for that - ho ever, if You think about it, video works via tv-out, so why not?05:10
Estel^(using 900x480)05:10
infobotEstel^ meant: (using 800x480)05:10
SpeedEvilEstel^: It will work to the framebuffer05:10
SpeedEvilyou can't expect to be able to either transport or compress 800*480*3*30fps however.05:10
Estel^probably, some optimizations to send it with respect to USB networking bandwidth could be used05:11
Estel^heck, it could be even scaled down to WiFi05:11
SpeedEvilOptimisations = CPU05:11
Estel^and allow to either send via tv-out, OR fast usb networking OR slower WiFi05:11
Estel^no no, I mean optimisation = lower output05:11
Estel^for example, lower fps05:12
Estel^it works with tv-out with "transparent" fps (i.e. looks like native), with all those resizing and PAL compression...05:12
SpeedEvilThat's all hardware05:12
Estel^why should it over USb networking?05:12
SpeedEvilThere is no PAL compression05:12
Estel^used wrong word05:13
Estel^probably that's what I mean ;)05:13
SpeedEvilIt's simply another DAC reading the framebuffer out line by line, and outputting it in the correct format.05:13
SpeedEvilAs a hardware unit, using no CPU or DSP bandwidth at all.05:13
Estel^Ok... I wonder, how much CPu (or maybe DSP?) would use reading framebuffer and sending it @ 900x480 (or other resolutions) at usable FPS05:14
Estel^800x480, heck05:14
SpeedEvilCPU - unless you can find someone to code DSP05:14
SpeedEvilPlus - if you have DSP decoding video, it can't be doing other things05:14
Estel^we have some people udnerstanding openGLES, but I think it's not related?05:14
Estel^would it be possible to use raspberry CPU to read from N900's framebuffer?05:15
SpeedEvilGoing to sleep - sorry :)05:15
SpeedEvilUSB is a bus05:15
SpeedEvilIt has to have CPUs at both ends05:15
SpeedEvilThe way you're using it05:15
SpeedEvilFirewire in principle can do that I think05:15
Estel^so I wodne rif it's possible to utilise Pi to process N900's framebuffer, instead of doing everything on N90005:16
Estel^no problem, good night :)05:16
SpeedEvil800*600*3*30 >>480MBPs05:16
Estel^formk which those *3 comes from?05:16
Estel^from where*05:16
Estel^800*480*3*10 = 11,5 Mb/s05:18
Estel^if I count correctly05:18
Estel^that erm, 11,5 MB/s actually05:18
Estel^that should work flawlessly over USB05:18
Estel^even 20 fps05:19
Estel^Hurrian, Your thoughts about it? isn't my math screwed?:D05:19
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Hurrian800x480=384000 pixels on the screen.05:33
Hurrian384000*3=1152000b color maximum05:34
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Hurrianworks out to 1.1 Mb/frame05:35
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cuppsyEvening everyone. So I'm an asshole and somehow tried to change /bin/sh to /bin/bash for my user. Upon rebooting, I seemed to have borked my N900. When trying to reflash it, it just keeps telling me "device or resource busy." I've read the wiki, and nothing there gets me past the busy error.06:10
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cuppsyThe phone has/had u-boot, if that makes a difference (I tried MeeGo at one point). Beyond that, it's basically stock.06:10
cuppsyAny advice on how to get this thing back to stock?06:11
cuppsyOr change back to /bin/sh so it'll boot?06:11
Estel_Hurrian, so it should work without any problems via USB networking06:11
Estel_even with 20 and 30 fps06:12
Estel_honestly, should work reliably over WiFi with 10 FPS (with good connection)06:12
HurrianEstel_, indeed06:13
Estel_would be killer feature06:13
Estel_now we just need to tease our overprojected KP team to look at tv-out module :P06:13
infobotHoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?06:13
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* Hurrian rages at circular gcc -> glibc -> gcc dependency06:14
cuppsyWow... just... ignore everything I wrote up above. I am the world's biggest asshole. I held N instead of U, and it worked. Eff me. My apologies for wasting everyone's time.06:14
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Estel_cuppsy, now worrries, "oh shit!" moments happen to everyone :)06:19
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HurrianEstel_, ever had a moment where you were trying to build something but dependencies were circular?06:20
cuppsyEstel: It's weird. I said that, and it flashed the Combined file... but stick got stuck at the five whtie dots. I tried to flash the EMMC, and is gave me the "device is busy" again.06:20
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Estel_Hurrian, what do You mean exactly? :D06:20
Estel_your package depends on b, b depends on a, and a depend son your package?:D06:21
Estel_impossible situation, until someone screwed dependencies06:21
Estel_cuppsy, would like to help, but I haven't used U-boot yet06:21
HurrianEstel_, archppc devs seem to have packaged glibc without a header file. trying to build glibc = need to remake gcc with tls. new gcc build depends on glibc for that header file.06:22
cuppsyEstel_ I'm thinking trying U-boot was a bad idea. Seems to be making flashing a bitch.06:22
Estel_Hurrian, submit bug to archppc devs06:22
HurrianEstel_, i'm pretty sure the main dev is MIA06:22
Estel_cuppsy, in fact no, it's just not as much "tutorialed" as multiboot or bootmenu06:22
Estel_Hurrian, coudl You fix it yourself and upload new version?06:23
Hurrianrepositories are almost empty, only core and extra and complete06:23
HurrianEstel_, I'm working on rebuilding EVERYTHING from latest Arch pkgbuilds06:23
Hurriansince everything is old by now06:23
Estel_would need to fix this glibc without header06:23
Hurrianproblem is, it's slightly irritating as I'm building native on PS306:23
Hurrian**** this, I'm setting up cross-compiler06:24
Hurrianeverything'll be rebuilt for ppc64 architecture06:30
ZogG_laptopcelebs here on chan =)06:37
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Estel_ZogG_laptop, what are You celebrating? :)06:45
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ZogG_laptopafter n900 death i'm here once in half year and mostly on harmattan chan, so not used to see that a lot people talking =)06:47
ZogG_laptopand you and Hurrian are not enuf for celebs?06:48
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ZogG_laptopi was spoking with you while you was off06:52
ZogG_laptopdoen't matter. need to go to sleep ☺06:53
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Estel_good night ZogG :)07:05
Estel_ZogG_laptop, actually. well, I'm just cooking fun things on my wrt54GL07:05
Estel_so, sometimes, I reboot router07:05
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Estel_normally, i'm available 24/7 :)07:06
Estel_(of course, I mean only my presence on I$RC - I may be away, actually, but I do read logs after returning)07:06
Estel_so feel free to write to me, especially using my name - this way, I have Your message highlighted07:06
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Sc0rpiustmo down?08:07
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Estel_Sc0rpius, no, why?08:14
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Sc0rpiusit was down for a while08:26
Sc0rpiusit's up again.08:26
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jacekowskiwhere is pali11:49
jacekowskiinfobot: seen pali11:49
infobotpali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9h 25m 1s ago, saying: 'nox-, thanks for non flash link!'.11:49
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teotwakiI can't by my 114wpm record :(13:09
infobotteotwaki meant: I can't beat my 114wpm record :(13:09
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Hurrianteotwaki, new keyboard?13:12
teotwakiHurrian: yes13:12
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SpeedEvil114wpm on n900?13:25
SpeedEvilYour poor thumbs13:25
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SpeedEvilI got to about 35, after using it for IRC for a week when my laptop died13:25
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teotwakiI'm so tired of my job13:34
teotwakiI've actually spent the morning battling to try and get a unit test to compile.13:34
teotwakiAnd failed.13:34
teotwakiFucking conditional compilation -- even I were to get the damn thing to compile, it'd be near void considering it's... conditional compilation, so the unit test doesn't get the same code compiled in as other parts of the system.13:35
teotwakiFucking stupid piece of ass shit software.13:35
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vi__teotwaki: I agree.13:45
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Estel_teotwaki, don't get so 1337 with WPM speed, or you'll end up like secretary from Chiswick, 220 WPM (Dr. who pun intended)14:13
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Estel_hah, installed aircrack-ng and friends on my wrt54GL... 250mW output + two quite big antennas, + possibility to power it with DC from 5 to ~17V = can use external battery pack to power it... In concjuction with N900 (using usb-ethernet adapter, to connect to WRT54GL and SSH), it creates quite awesome wardriving machine...14:34
Estel_still lightweight, and very portable14:34
Estel_...And who needs those expensive mobile wardriving tools? WRT54GL, if took out from case (which got *plentry* of room for mods), is roughly size of 2 N900's, + antennas14:35
Estel_could prepare custom cover for it, and do photos when it works in tandem with N900 :)14:36
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kwtmdarn, setting the device name under Bluetooth Settings will change the $HOSTNAME but not $(uname -n)15:10
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Hurriankwtm, reboot?15:13
Hurrianoh, wait, it needs to be changed in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname15:15
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DocScrutinizer51only hostname15:34
infoboti guess jrtools is
DocScrutinizer51I'm not sure if you need a link from real local hostname back to 'localhost' in your etc/hosts. I never missed it so far15:39
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kwtmDocScrutinizer51, Hurrian: Thx for info.16:15
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DocScrutinizer51damn 2G is nice to battery but disconnects during phonecalls (though that's carrier's fault, as the modem would know to do concurrent data and voice via 2G)17:13
DocScrutinizer51switching to 3G on inbound Call is no option either as it for sure rejects the inbound pending call17:14
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HurrianDocScrutinizer, 2G battery life on the N900 is good?17:35
Hurrian4 days of almost idle gets from 100% to 15%17:35
Hurriani'd hate to imagine battery life on constant 3G17:35
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SpeedEvilHurrian: It's similar.17:38
SpeedEvilHurrian: In areas of good signal.17:38
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s2r2Hello.  I've spent quite some time today trying to get into the university's eduroam network.  Using wpa_supplicant, I've been able to do it, but it need a "peaplabel=0" config line; I have not yet found any way to set something similar with Maemo... Any ideas?17:44
s2r2(It's not PAP-related, "my" eduroam home net uses PEAP/MSCHAPv217:44
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Hurrianmaemo doesn't use wpa supplicant, it uses some different shit Nokia made17:46
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s2r2Hurrian: Indeed. ... Is there any complete documentation (or am I just lost if the GUI doesn't offer anything useful to this issue)?17:47
Hurrianyou /could/ disable icd2 for when you're at uni, and manually use wpa_supplicant etc for eduroam17:47
s2r2Hurrian: this sounds interesting.  I didn't know I could use wpa_sup on it.17:48
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[DarkGUNMAN]is there any way to find out if a process launched osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs ?17:48
Hurrianno idea how to stop icd2, it's rooted pretty firmly into maemo17:48
s2r2completely switching to wpa_supp is not...uhm...advisable/possible?17:48
Hurrians2r2, iirc cordia people (read: smoku) was using networkmanager (frontend for wpa_supplicant) in Hildon-desktop17:48
[DarkGUNMAN]still trying to find which process is trying to connect to internet by ietself17:49
Hurrianhe may have some info about backporting it to maemo17:49
s2r2Hurrian: interesting.   I could switch to cordia, but I didn't have the impression that the n900 was a target17:49
Hurrianthe applet is still missing btw, if you wanted to install it on Nemo17:50
s2r2How about Mer?  They probably use wpa_supp, too.... might just give it another try.17:50
s2r2yes, Nemo, sorry.17:50
Hurrians2r2, also an option, but iirc the wifi connection dialog in Settings doesn't have advanced options17:50
Hurrianyou're going to have to make do with terminal commands17:50
s2r2That's even better, I got the working configuration on the laptop anyways. :)17:51
SpeedEvil'You need a _green_ speaker!17:51
s2r2thanks.  That's a good reason to give Nemo another try.  Hadn't thought of it.17:51
StyXmangpg --list-secret-keys17:51
s2r2nice password17:51
[DarkGUNMAN]There is an N900 image of cordia available to test17:51
Hurrian[DarkGUNMAN], the cordia stack is still incomplete17:52
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Hurrianit's got less packages than the M5 x86 SDK, which is a feat in itself to make hildon run totally bare17:52
StyXmans2r2: two screens :)17:52
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maemobotSpeedEvil, if You get so much draw on 2G, something is wrong, either with Your signal quality, or something is sucking power on device18:40
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Estel_my device sleeps in C4 mdoe for up to 97% of time, with 2G enabled18:41
Estel_and, power usage is 4-7 mAh18:41
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Estel_of course, while idle18:42
Estel_I would suggest You, to do powertop tests, SpeedEvil18:42
Estel_or test pwoer usage via bnf ( 5 will give you higher result, as script itself is using 10-15 mA/h)18:42
Estel_I'm starting fun side project - nothing revolutionary, just something for fun and that I'ven't made before - renevable energy pack for N90018:43
Estel_consisting of modular solar panels and small wind turbine18:43
Estel_my aims are to recreate current given by wall charger in full soon and light wind (or strong wind and medium sun)18:44
Estel_solar panels will be connected via elastic parts,mm allowing it to be small'n'portable to carry, and quite big after "deploying", with wind module on the middle18:46
Estel_theoretically, heat dissicipation from black panels beneath should be enough to barely move ultra-light wind turbine, but of course, real wind make it create one18:46
infobotEstel_ meant: theoretically, heat dissicipation from black panels beneath should be enough to barely move ultra-light wind turbine, but of course, real wind make it create more18:46
* Estel_ is curious, how it will turn out18:46
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Estel_I still wonder, how to handle charging - using N900 charging circut to charge batteries instead make us one circuiot less (LiIon charger), OTOH, dedicated charging circuit would make it not lsoe any exceeding energy during strong sun and heavy wind18:48
Estel_On the third :P hand, using dedicated charging circuit = losses on transfer to batteries, and then, from batteries, into 5V to charge N900 via port, again...18:48
Estel_...unless backup batteries are usually dual-bl5J type.18:49
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Estel_aim of the project - being ultra light and small while *not* deployed, allowing to carry it everywhere, + modular "deploy" lvl, allowing, for example, to clip it into backpack (not deploying all solar modules), or on tent, or just on grass/ground18:50
Estel_boat deck, etc18:50
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SpeedEvilEstel_: It varies with location. 3 does not - here - cause much extra battery use.19:05
SpeedEvilFor it idle.19:06
Estel_strange, as 2G is - per design - less energy-hungry19:06
Estel_of course, You're probably having little worse - than usual -signal19:07
SpeedEvilThis is largely true when the modem is active..19:07
SpeedEvilUmm - no.19:07
SpeedEvilThe tests I did were with quite good signal.19:07
SpeedEvilPower consumption will go up with poor signal.19:07
Estel_well, 4 days i ~80h19:07
SpeedEvilSo what?19:08
SpeedEvilI've seen ~6 days on 2G19:08
Estel_it's ~half standard battery19:08
Estel_so either something is eating Your power, or signal varies much for You.19:08
SpeedEvilAnd I measured about half a milliamp difference between 2 and 3G19:08
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Estel_sounds reasonable19:09
rzs19any idea why swappiness is ignored?19:09
SpeedEvil2G enabled was +2mA - 3G enabled was +2.5mA or so19:09
Estel_rzs19, it isn't19:09
SpeedEvilor rather 2g/3g forced19:09
SpeedEvilSo 1% of battery per day difference19:09
rzs19Estel_: but its looks lik its ignored19:09
rzs19perdefault, itsset to 100,, i set it to 0, or 10 and it still swapps. 50% are used19:10
Estel_try setting 0 and enabling something very swap hungry, then try 100 and do it again19:10
Estel_You will feel difference - painfuly19:10
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Estel_because it must swap ;)19:10
Estel_see virtual memory assigned by programs19:11
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Estel_by default, virtual - not private - memory goes to swap first, until needed19:11
Estel_256 MB is too low for keeping it in memory19:11
Estel_swapiness control tendency to swap at it's own19:11
Estel_set it to 30 and don't care ;) or even 2519:11
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Estel_you will gain most benefits by moving swap to microSd card and disabling eMMC swap *totally*19:12
Estel_+ using correct swap-related settings for kernel19:12
rzs19yeah i have played around with many values19:12
rzs19i will move it to the microsd card.19:13
rzs19i love my n900 and i don't want a killed emmc flash memmory.19:14
rzs19maybe, its the last ussable phone :P19:15
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rzs19maybe my fears about swap on flash os overexaggerated? ;)19:18
rzs19sometimes, i wish, some devices could life for ever.19:19
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Estel_flash is quite active, so it adds to wear for sure - although, I'm talking about it for performance reasons19:28
Estel_swap on eMMc generate I/O conflicts between it and /opt I/O's19:28
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SpeedEvilIn principle you can monitot he badblocks on emmc19:32
SpeedEvilwhich will give reasonble warning19:32
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DocScrutinizer51rzs19: that's why I recently ordered another 2 fesh ones19:38
DocScrutinizer51as no device will live forever19:38
DocScrutinizer51but havig some spare will mitigate that19:39
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mase76hi! does anybody know, if openmediaplayer reads the gain tagged with mp3gain?20:49
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DocScrutinizer06"bull's-eye, kick the throttle!"21:40
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Atariianyone here sync their n900 with Google Contacts?23:07
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int_uaAtarii: that's an interesting question. Have you searched the forum? Please inform me if you find any info23:16
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Atariiint_ua it all worked fine until yesterday, now I get sync errors from MfE, just wondering it anyone else had it23:20
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vi_Atarii: nfc23:29
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Palijacekowski, hi23:51
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