IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-06-04

vi__I pasted a link to an article earlier that showed alligning FS to flash erase block size would show improvements in speed.00:01
vi__Is this a thing you know about?00:02
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vi__this chap for example.00:06
vi__it is times like thes I wish I had an extra n900.00:07
vi__I could us my swap partition to play with file systems on my live system!00:09
vi__brb, xterm00:09
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Estel_oh god... following some link pages from wrt54gl made me run into openmoko, and, sudden of nothing, i know why this project failed miserably00:22
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Estel_666 euro for device with 2,5'' (or so) screen, 800 mhz processor and 512 ram00:22
Estel_+ 69 euro for optional camera module00:23
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Estel_I hope that vivaldi and future projects are going to do it *right* way00:23
vi__well it was a fully open phone.00:23
vi__without a major manufacturer behind it.00:24
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Estel_yes, but price and form?!00:25
Estel_after all, if they *had* resources to put it the way it was...00:25
Estel_they could have better specification without actually rising price tag very much00:26
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Estel_+, they zealot'ishly followed rule of being "phone first", which resulted on poor size for a mobile computer...00:26
Estel_and of course, 0 interest from users of dummy phones (why they should care, anyway?)00:26
Estel_using so small form/screen + so poor resolution is really masochistic idea00:27
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Estel_i.e. if they actually made so much effort in creating it, it wouldn't hurt to make it actually usable. Then, even price tag could be ignored.00:27
mavhcit's old, of course it looks bad now00:27
Estel_GTA04 isn't old00:28
vi__~ # mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /media/swap/00:28
vi__mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p3 on /media/swap/ failed: Invalid argument00:28
Estel_just someone decided to re-use old parts like screen etc00:28
vi__Y U NO MOUNT????00:28
Estel_because linuxtype swap isn't mountable?00:28
vi__ that is just the name, not the fs00:28
mavhcso the screen is old00:29
Estel_mavhc, screen, device size, = form factor.00:29
vi__-t ext400:29
vi__fu gnu00:29
Estel_vi__, what are You cooking, overall?00:29
mavhcin general, it's old00:29
Estel_mavhc, it doesn't sound like being new even when born. Efforts were great, but design decisions...00:30
Estel_it's awesome that someone could actually design such thing being fully FOSS, and fail at "simple" things for mortals00:30
Estel_i.e. what would be cost of using some sane screen for gta04, instead of putting it into old case...00:30
Estel_and/or offer slide-out keyboard like N90000:31
Estel_...after costs for designing board itself00:31
Estel_this way, it's made for rich masochists.00:31
Estel_just small, tiny alternations in design would make it for rich, or devoted, but not especiaslly masochists ;)00:31
Estel_it's like... designing N950, and strippoing it down to keyboard-less N9 with closed frankenstein UI called harmattan :P00:32
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Estel_but even worse, as the latter is done by big company that have much money to lose, and the former was truly nice attempt to make FOSS phone00:32
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vi__why I do not have mkreiserfs???00:34
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Estel_because You don't have reiserfs00:38
chem|stvi__: do you think you'll need reiser on a mmc?00:38
Estel_on N900, even with power kernel00:38
Estel_chem|st, reiserfs proved to be quite effective on emmc00:38
vi__chem|st: frankly I have no idea.00:38
vi__chem|st: but it is my right to try!00:38
Estel_some claim that even more than journal-less ext4 variant00:38
Estel_vi__, sure, just compile Your own reiserfs moduels for kernel-power00:38
vi__Estel_: your ED image is broken00:39
Estel_and ask Pali to include them in further versions00:39
GeneralAntillesAnybody got any big suggestions for MWKN this week?00:39
Estel_how come? ;) What isn't working this time?00:39
vi__dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown group 'crontab' in statoverride file00:39
GeneralAntillesThe only thing between you and publication is me since Jaffa's on vacation and fiferboy is MIA, so now's your big chance!00:39
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vi__E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)00:39
Estel_GeneralAntilles, unless You want to cover argues on IRC ;) I think nothing itneresting happened00:39
Estel_vi__, haven't seen anything like that and other users of Ed image haven't reported it.00:40
vi__swappiness 100 is the new swappiness 3000:40
vi__do other users use apt-get?00:40
Estel_GeneralAntilles, will  check recent evets, maybe I've missed something00:40
Estel_vi__,  of course00:40
Estel_vi__, as You remember re freemangordon, your compcache setup wasn;t working properly even for opera mini in background and something00:41
Estel_I appreciate work, but it's really just for Your use case00:41
Estel_maybe someone's else too00:41
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Estel_wouldn't cover it on MWNM just now00:41
vi__that was for a VERY specific case when attempting to run a 128MB disksize00:42
vi__between 16-80MB with swappiness 100 it runs like a champ.00:43
vi__I have had it on for about 2 days now.00:43
Estel_would need further testing, though00:43
Estel_as still settings used are absurdal, ane we have no idea why it works00:43
Raimuvi__: What size are you using now, then?00:43
Estel_do you really want any average joe to turn it on and then scream, that lost his data due to device hang?:P00:43
vi__that was for the nuts 128MB00:43
vi__average joe can smoke my schlong00:44
Estel_vi__, it seems i'm quite late at news about it00:44
vi__keep all the settings stock except00:45
vi__swappiness 100 (which is stock anyway)00:46
Estel_hm, i would tune them up :P00:46
Estel_so, why, miracolously, problems dissapeared?00:46
Estel_AFAIK, it was first thing tried by people00:46
vi__echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster00:47
Estel_and it failed as soon as *real* swapping wa smvoed out of compcache00:47
Estel_nah, won't work00:47
Estel_the main problem is that compcache is Your primary swapo00:47
vi__that was with a 128MB disksize00:47
Estel_so after extended usage, You end up with...00:47
Estel_old, unused data, sits in compcache...00:47
Estel_i.e. the least used00:47
Estel_(as it was put there primaly)00:47
vi__echo 15 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio00:48
Estel_and actively used data, i.e. constantly swaped in and out, ends up in secondary swap, i.e. real one00:48
Estel_honestly, it seems that ShadowJk is right about it not being possible to work correctly without backing swap and alktering kernel mechanism of handling swap00:48
Estel_not that I udnerstand fully what it means :P00:48
Estel_but freemangordon does, so we may be on right - yet long - way00:49
Estel_anyway, they boith claim that it would result in really, really huge speed gain re swapping00:49
infoboti heard wfm is (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications..  Works For Me00:49
Estel_vi__, I agree...00:50
Estel_but WFM isn't enough to put something into banner of MWN or whatever :P00:50
Estel_hey, I've got an idea00:50
Estel_ping freemangordon00:50
Estel_ping Pali00:50
vi__wut for00:50
PaliEstel, pong00:50
Estel_Pali, as we're aware, alck fo more kernel-power developers is one of main problems, yes? hands for doing the job00:51
Estel_I don't know if it would help much, but00:51
Estel_what do you think about asking qwazix to prepare banner for kernel-power project00:51
Estel_just like for CSSU00:51
Estel_+ volounteers would made better wiki page for kernel (adjust it)00:51
Estel_so it's reasdable for someone not involved in using too00:51
Estel_then, putting it in front page?00:51
Estel_maybe not idea that cause sea to divide and allow to pass ;)00:52
Estel_but, after all, kp and CSSU are main community projects... CSSU got such things, maybe KP should to00:52
Estel_after all, less IRC-involved and TMO-involved people could get interested. Better chances to find someone with less or more rusty skills in kernel-hacking00:52
Estel_thoughts, comments?00:53
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chem|stpeople with rusty skills in kernel hacking we had till KP46... maybe ask conman for some help or others directly00:56
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Estel_chem|st, you think no one tried that?00:58
chem|stsome bad-ass kernel freaks00:58
chem|stI do not know if someone asked conman...00:58
Estel_no one had shiny golde skills form beginning. If someone have rusty skills ate beginning, he/she can make them better due to feedback from less rusty people00:58
Estel_like ingenious Pali and freemangordon00:58
Estel_afaik, thta is how FOSS projects work00:58
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DocScrutinizer51vi_ I had to check chanlog to see those on my /ignore are spreading FUD and usual lies again, this time about openmoko though. I honnestly ask everybody to look and study pages like (NB it's a company called golden delicious, NUTTIN to do with openmoko inc which basically doesn't exist anymore)00:59
Estel_bad-ass kernel freaks seem to be very devoted to their projects00:59
chem|strusty skills... learn adjectives first maybe00:59
Estel_chem|st, argumentum ad persona?00:59
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chem|stEstel_: don't start it again!01:00
DocScrutinizer51while goldelico is not a big fail but a big story just about to start01:00
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: o/01:00
Estel_we have enough *looks at DocScrutinizer* "I know everything" specialist-bad-ass, that talk more and do less. i'm trying to help as much as I can with finding more working hands for KP.01:00
Estel_chem|st, start what? I think I don't get You, honestly.01:01
chem|stmate, get your head cleared of that bullshit... you talk rusty... I talk fresh01:01
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Estel_are You sure You're feeling allright? anyway, it's Your problem01:01
* Estel_ heading back to do something productive01:02
Cor-Aiim kinda productive!01:02
chem|stCor-Ai: good!01:02
chem|stEstel_: a little less conversation a bit more action pls01:03
Estel_chem|st, who is saying that? Tlook @ the mirror. anyway, You're pinging me - back from work again - just to write bullshit like that? seriously?01:04
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DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: I ask for assistance against personal insult in this channel. I'm not going to (ab)use my chanop powers to sort that issue myself01:04
Estel_again, look @ the mirror and do something productive Yourself01:04
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chem|stthanks tell me when this is over...01:05
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GeneralAntillesShut the hell up.01:05
GeneralAntillesI'm busy.01:05
GeneralAntillesUnless you want an editorial in MWKN about the whiny children inhabiting #maemo, then cut it. :P01:06
Estel_GeneralAntilles, it seems that gcc-4.6 and Fremantle may be thing You would like to write about01:07
GeneralAntillesPersonal attacks are unproductive and, considering there's nobody here who isn't invested in the community, unwarranted.01:07
Estel_last week, gcc-4.6 appeared in -devel repos01:07
GeneralAntillesEstel_, anybody got a thread or blog or something on it?01:08
Estel_thus, last mielstone in providing it for fremantle was achieved, and now bug hunting season opened01:08
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Estel_of course, providing links:01:08
Estel_development thread on TMO (whole saga from beginning to current date):01:08
Estel_people responsible:01:08
Estel_and to some extent,:01:09
* merlin1991 never heard that beofre01:09
merlin1991s/that beofre/that name before/01:09
Estel_and szopin01:09
Estel_AapoRantalainen is unknown to You, merlin1991 ? 0_o nothing bad, I'm just surprised01:09
Estel_freemangordon and merlin are, parallely, working on it for CSSU, yep?01:10
Estel_here I'm quite old on info, so merlin1991 can provide more valuable informations, probably01:10
merlin1991freemangordon did use gcc 4.6 in order to get around thumb problems01:10
merlin1991I just tried to package some stuff01:10
Estel_ah, I see.01:10
Estel_well, people installing gcc-4.6 from repos haven't run into preoblems, as for yesterday01:10
Estel_I haven't been on TMO yet today01:11
Estel_everything seemed to work fine01:11
vi__GeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles openmediaplayer on the n900 is officially kicking asses.01:11
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vi__that might be newsworthy.01:11
Estel_vi__, true, but what to write? it was covered some time ago01:11
GeneralAntillesvi__, link?01:11
Estel_if they would include it into CSSU, it would be something for a news :P01:11
GeneralAntillesMmm, we've already covered it.01:12
vi__Estel_: it is not ready for that yet.01:12
* Estel_ is using OpenMediaPlayer for ages and would never ever go back to stock01:12
vi__it needs 1 more thing.01:12
Estel_GeneralAntilles, when it will be ready for CSSU-rewrites or hoever this shiny repo is called, it will be good to write about it again01:12
Estel_vi__, hm?01:12
vi__it needs to be able to open playlists so you can open web streams.01:13
vi__just like stock MP01:13
vi__It does NOT need a software equaliser though.01:13
merlin1991simple fact, it's not going to have an qualiser01:14
Estel_GeneralAntilles, GeneralAntilles, I don't know if it isn't too niche, but serious problem have been discovere din SmsCON, tool aimed to help retrieving lost/stolen N90001:14
merlin1991no hook to add it to mafw, and it uses mafw01:14
vi__streamer has no plugin?01:15
GeneralAntillesEstel_, thread?01:15
Estel_GeneralAntilles, discussion start here:01:15
Estel_and all post after this are about it01:15
vi__Estel_: what is wromg with it?01:15
Estel_(basically, SMSCON was always thought to play nicely with devices using auto-lock code, it turned out that it's not)01:15
Estel_well, if You have auto lock code, SMSCON won't work, at all ;)01:15
Estel_function to disable lock code upon discovering unauthorised sim doesn't workj01:15
Estel_and no way to properly load smscon before lock code promt @ boot01:16
Estel_yablacky, a trully skilled hacker who is currently maintaining smscon backend is investigating, with community, a ways to overcome it01:16
vi__wtf not.01:16
Estel_...because now You have 2 options - either use smscon and *no* auto lock code (= truecrypt partitions with private data, mounted all the time, aren't protected - lock code forced to reboot device at least last, which made them unmount itself)01:17
vi__just run it before X01:17
Estel_vi__, check thread, yablacky tried it01:17
Estel_and some parts haven't worked properly01:17
Estel_i.e. detecting sim card01:17
Estel_so no way for smscon to determine if authorised or not sim card is present01:17
Estel_= no "stolen" mode01:17
Estel_so it don't know if it should disable lock code01:17
vi__ugh, too much for me to think about01:18
Estel_GeneralAntilles, coding competition is thinking about huge change of submissions form:
Estel_all former CC applications were diversed amongst many categories01:19
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Estel_now, they're thinking about dropping categories at all, and throwing every participating program into one basket01:19
merlin1991dat rofl01:19
Estel_also, they're thinking about how to deal with multiplatform properly01:19
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Estel_i.e how to properly recognize things that work on Fremantle, Mer, and Harmattan01:19
Estel_without rewarding androids and so goes on01:19
Estel_GeneralAntilles, during last week, another 2 nokia sponsored branches of device program started01:21
vi__will CC2012 be such a type 'A' kluster fuck as last years?01:21
Estel_...and Nokia Store:01:21
merlin1991hm seems that all the fun with gcc 4.6 in the repos foobared apt-get01:22
Estel_so, total of 3/4 branches are running already, CC is last thing waiting for start01:22
Estel_merlin1991, hm?01:22
Estel_vi__, I've no idea01:22
Estel_frankly, I don't even know what You mean by type 'A' kluster fuck :P01:22
merlin1991I'll need another 10 min but I'm pretty sure the problem lies with extras-devel01:22
Estel_yes, it lies there01:23
Estel_can confirm disabling it get rid of warning01:23
Estel_if You're talking about it01:23
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Estel_GeneralAntilles, after all, it seems that much happened during last week :P need more, or You've already full page?01:24
GeneralAntillesI'll cover anything relevant.01:25
Estel_GeneralAntilles, I don't know if it's interesting, but few geeks are investigating possibility of putting 6000 mAh battery into N900 with mugen-sized backcover01:25
Estel_including me, so it's kinda shameless self advert01:25
GeneralAntillesAlso: thanks.01:26
Estel_GeneralAntilles, if we're talking about self-adverts - IDK if You've covered this:01:26
Estel_no problem, my pleasure01:27
Estel_battery thing is related to that01:27
Estel_as it turned out, that no way without doing custom body01:27
Estel_(it's a project of custom body for N900, with external antennas connectors, tripod mounting point, and things like that)01:27
Estel_last diea is to use 2x 18650 cells01:27
Estel_special socket for them in body replacement01:28
Estel_= thickness would be roughly like mugen cover01:28
Estel_but, with 6000 mAh capacity, instead of 2400 offered by mugen, and 3000 via usage of dual scuds01:28
Estel_+ 18650's are cheap, widely available, and won't dissapear like batteries for certain phone models01:28
Estel_GeneralAntilles, honestly, one of my Councilor's dieas, that I haven't yet told about, was to work more closely with MWKN01:29
Estel_that's why I was asking extensively about it lately01:29
Estel_in case of need to trim down interface, it could replace news01:29
GeneralAntillesNews is pretty cheap on maemo.org01:30
GeneralAntillesSo it's unlikely something that would need to be trimmed for cost-cutting reasons.01:30
* Estel_ nods01:31
Estel_can't remember now, but someone suggested that, when, for long period of time01:31
Estel_90% of content wasn't maemo related01:31
Estel_due to many blogs being connected with it and not following rule of Maemo tags01:31
Estel_after all, many people started to use thumb down feature, and it returned back to normal01:31
Estel_still, MWKN provide much more rellevant info, most of the times, unless it's talking about Harmattan only ;) but, anyway, it's not editors fault, that no one send Maemo's info01:32
Estel_closer cooperation + popularizing info about how to submit interesting things could make it covering even more, after all, MANY, *many* things are going on in Maemo community01:33
Estel_GeneralAntilles, last week Ubuntu 12.04 started to work reliably on N900, thanks to freemangordon and his way to enable erratum fixes for N900's SoC01:34
Estel_(this thread is about development of it since beginning, but, latets pages are about it)01:34
Estel_generally, it uses modified nemo kernel, + reportedly, work blazing fast if You get rid of Unity and use things lixe LXDe, much faster than debian chroot01:35
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Estel_GeneralAntilles, Pali released updated version of bootmenu01:37
Estel_fixes ages-old problems with it being not-compatible with U-Boot01:37
Estel_also, development of U-boot for Maemo is quite fats last week, but I don't have link handy, will try to find01:38
infobotEstel_ meant: also, development of U-boot for N900 is quite fats last week, but I don't have link handy, will try to find01:38
Estel_Pali's changes got upstreamed, many times01:38
Estel_GeneralAntilles, ModRana - one of most popular navigational tool for Maemo started re-wriote into QML - current builds include both old GUI and new experimental one, with limited funcionality01:39
Estel_GeneralAntilles, (self advert mode on again) ereswap, tools that helps to easy fighting swap-fragmentation for end-user was released:01:40
Estel_GeneralAntilles, Pali, in process of upstreaming U-boot changes and introducing official support for N900 in U-boot mainstream, started to collect atag dumps from N900's with different revisions:01:42
GeneralAntillesDamn, and I thought this was going to be a light issue!01:42
Estel_...but, in the process, it turned out that NOLO is sending different atags for sdame revisions types, sometimes, and no one have idea how it determines what is needed to be send. As a result...01:42
Estel_reverse-engineering NOLO started again01:43
Estel_GeneralAntilles, if You need threads worth talking, You can always ask me :P Though You may gonna start to hate it, as, in fact, it was really one of lightier weeks01:44
Estel_I'm not sure if You would like to cover all interesting things during more heavy weeks... at least, not all alone, when Jaffa is out :P01:44
GeneralAntillesand fiferboy01:44
GeneralAntillesDamn him.01:44
Estel_NFc wh he is/was01:45
infobotEstel_ meant: NFc who he is/was01:45
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Estel_I suppoose that 3rd editor of MWKN who is missing in action ;)01:45
GeneralAntillesAnother of the old guard01:46
GeneralAntillesand, yes, MIA editor.01:46
Estel_Well, I think it's all for now, going to prepare some kind of dinner. Happy covering!01:47
GeneralAntillesThanks, later.01:47
luke-jrEstel_: any chance you can tell me how important/relevant documenting Gentoo/N900 is, for getting a N950/N9? <.<01:49
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Estel_luke-jr, haha, I saw Your comment. Honestly, i enjoyed fact that You were talking with me wabout it without knowing that i'm Councilor ;)01:50
Estel_I think I need to get incognito alias01:50
GeneralAntillesIt's a facilitator role. <_<01:51
Estel_GeneralAntilles, just joking01:51
Estel_ewwell, i facilitated efforts to document it, but he just said that hes not interested :P01:51
Estel_seriously though01:51
Estel_luke-jr, very, *very* important, as for now, this project is hardly existing in Community minds01:52
Estel_I know that something like that exist, few other people too01:52
Estel_maybe 2 or 3 people saw it01:52
Estel_noo cooperartion with other devs01:52
Estel_due to lack of documenting ;)01:52
Estel_so NFC what You've achieved and how, and what is missing and worth pursuit01:52
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Estel_but, i think, it's little too late, honestly, if we're talking about N9/N95001:53
Estel_if you're going to be ooportunistic :P01:53
infobotEstel_ meant: if you're going to be opportunistic :P01:53
Estel_anywya, it's *very* worth doing anyway, for project's sake itself01:53
Estel_and again, from your ooportunistic point of view, no one said it's last device program ever01:54
Estel_few weeks ago, no one would suspect current program happenijng, so...01:54
robbiethe1stWhat program is this?01:55
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DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: though I'm missing quite some stuff here, I suspect you're asking about community award program, something you *should* throw your hat in. after all iirc you have a broken N900 and I know who gave awesome backupmenu to us. You should receive a device, and maybe can 'swap' it - via fleabay - for one or two N900 ;-)02:18
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robbiethe1stFair enough; link?02:18
DocScrutinizer51see community ML02:18
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DocScrutinizer51or ask council02:20
robbiethe1stI guess I'm /way/ out of the loop; I have no clue what the community ML is, nor anything about what's going on. Sorry. :\02:20
robbiethe1stLast I heard, the council was a bunch of people who didn't do a whole lot except apologise for nokia not open-sourcing the bits we wanted...02:21
DocScrutinizer51well, community ML is to be found e.g. there:
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GeneralAntillesThe Nokia apologist line.02:22
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GeneralAntillesThat shit needs to die.02:22
robbiethe1st... Uh?
robbiethe1stSomeone's sure full of himself02:24
robbiethe1st(quoted comment)02:24
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robbiethe1stSo, erm, where's the original post explaining the 'community awards'?02:30
Estel_hey robbiethe1st :)02:33
Estel_I also think You should submit. While You may not be eprfect example of 100% in-loop continous contribution to community, You haven't left it, and partial absence, afaik, it's due l;ack of time...02:34
Estel_i.e. real life things02:34
Estel_do I recall correctly, that You're still - although slowly - working on backupmenu?02:34
Estel_I've suggested some thing few days ago in it's thread, like separating optFS backup from /home/*02:35
robbiethe1stSort of, yeah. I really need to sit down and actually churn out some stuff02:35
Estel_I suppoose You haven't had time to check it yet ;)02:35
Estel_what do You think about - due to framebuffer availability in KP for some time - idea of rewriting it, to drop text2screen completely?02:35
Estel_(i.e. transfering to "proper" CLI using framebuffer)02:36
Estel_after all, those both are text outputs02:36
robbiethe1stI thought about that, but why? would it actually give any advantage?02:36
Estel_of course it's quite big change, and no one suppose it would take a day or two to finish :P02:36
robbiethe1stWhich is?02:36
Estel_using root console makes text2screen teared02:36
Estel_sometime, to the point of being unusable02:36
Estel_also, it makes it harder for other people to contribute to backupmenu development02:37
robbiethe1stYes, that it does; you have to reboot after using it. Problem is I can't unload the FB module after I'm done with it02:37
Estel_anyway, that's the common view on this - mix with text2screen makes code much harder to follow/adjust (not my opinion, i'm noob here)02:37
Estel_robbiethe1st, the problem is that most power users now modprobe fbcon as first think in preinit02:37
Estel_so they have framebuffer enabled anyway02:37
Estel_unloading it form within backupmenu would be a problem as per se02:38
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Estel_i.e we have full scrolling text from - almost- very beginning, same for recoversy console out of backupmenu (preinit) - but, backupmenu is great tool as it eases doing things02:38
Estel_theoretically, same may be achieved by recovery console and bunch of scripts cp'ed to tmp02:38
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Estel_but, backupmenu is much more user friendly02:39
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Estel_I'm quite sure dropping text2screen would make it easier for other people to contribute = You would see that it's nice when other people are coding things You haven't time for :)02:39
Estel_also, it would provide even more modularity02:39
Estel_I'm pretty sure, that, at some point, it would be included in kernel-power on CSSU as default tool02:40
Estel_like clockworkorangeMOd in android and cyanogenmod02:40
robbiethe1stWell, the only problem there is that A, I don't know about using colors and B, about anything but adding new lines02:40
Estel_i.e. everyone using kp or cssu would have it = no more people that get to know about backupmenu only, when they encounter problems requiring reflash02:40
robbiethe1stWith t2s, I can add text anywhere on the screen.02:40
Estel_are collors necessary?02:41
Estel_and about new lines, I'm sure someone would explain it here or on TMO02:41
Estel_I think more "heated" thing for now is to separate /home/* from /opt backup, so during backup, one cna backup everything or any mix of 3 components02:42
Estel_for now, for people having, lets say, preenv games in /home/games, optfs backups many times exceed 4 GB02:42
Estel_= cannot be saved to MyDocs02:42
Estel_or any vfat02:42
robbiethe1stBut wait, /home/ is 2GB partiton...02:42
Estel_IIRC, possibility to save into other filesystems was also pending request02:42
robbiethe1stUnless you resize it, etc.02:42
Estel_home is 2GB partition only in new N900 bought from Nokia, which doesn't happen lately:P02:43
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: I think vi_'s post was a nice parody, and I liked it very much02:43
Estel_nowadays, 90% of users repartition02:43
robbiethe1st90% of the 1%, more like...02:43
robbiethe1stFirst thing I need to do is get Boot Menu/BM compatibility working on my N90002:43
robbiethe1stI haven't added it because /it doesn't f***ing work/ for me.02:44
Estel_Pali released new verison of bootmenu02:45
Estel_also, he pointed out, that backupmenu is doing something wron re boot menu02:45
Estel_check backupmenu thread, last poage, please02:45
Estel_and sorry for typos, writing using one hand02:45
Estel_another one is busy... no, not b ywhat You think it is - I'm cooking dinner02:45
Estel_frying thing02:45
robbiethe1stNo, I mean... I did that specifically because I couldn't get boot menu to work the /right/ way02:46
Estel_yes, but bootmenu was updated02:48
robbiethe1stGoing to try again02:49
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DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: well, bootmenu was designed in a way basically incompatible with backupmenu class of "apps". So unless bootmenu will be augmented, I don't see a proper way to make both coexist. I looked into it long time ago02:54
robbiethe1st won't work?02:55
* GeneralAntilles 2nd glass of wine.02:55
GeneralAntillesMWKN is getting craaazyy02:55
orangeywhat's mwkn?02:57
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: iirc bootmenu is iterating across all the "plugin" scripts and expects each is returning some env values set to text of a menu that bootmenu displays then. An "app" like BM that basoically never returns wouldn't fit in02:57
orangeymaemo weekly news?02:57
robbiethe1stYeah/ See post02:58
DocScrutinizer51hmm, this might actually work02:58
DocScrutinizer51and after BM invokation you have to reboot anyway02:59
robbiethe1stHuh, for the first time, it worked!02:59
DocScrutinizer51I looked into it back when, to find a way out of BM and into normal linux bootup02:59
DocScrutinizer51which wasn't possible02:59
orangeywhat's so crazy about it?03:00
orangeythe declaration that we're all gonna die?03:00
robbiethe1stOh, I'm sure it's "possible"; if you can chroot from a init ramdisk image into the real os, you ought to be able to do the same for BMs ramdisk03:00
GeneralAntillesorangey, effectively I'm drunkblogging with no other editors to keep me in line.03:00
orangeyGeneralAntilles: hahahah ; )03:00
orangeyGeneralAntilles: are you the writer of mwkn?03:01
DocScrutinizer51one of them03:01
GeneralAntillesNot /the/, that's our Glorious Leader Jaffa.03:01
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GeneralAntillesBut one of a trio.03:01
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: and we appreciate that so much, I actually have to thank you (and the other 2 guys) for your sustainable work there, and I honestly hope absolutely nothing will change wrt mwkn and the editors involved03:04
GeneralAntillesWe're not even getting Tim's new theme, 'cause I'm too lazy to integrate it.03:04
robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer, so, it seems evkey moved from /usr/sbin to /usr/bin...03:04
robbiethe1stwhat's the deal?03:04
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: NFC03:04
DocScrutinizer51no idea03:05
DocScrutinizer51no faintest clue03:05
DocScrutinizer51who shpould do that move, and when?03:05
robbiethe1stDunno, but one day a while back, BM stopped booting due to evkey being missing03:06
robbiethe1stI thought I lost a file, copied it over from a backup03:06
DocScrutinizer51it might actually be the better place for evkey, but I doubt Nokia would ship an update to do that mv03:06
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robbiethe1stbut it seems that others have the same deal03:07
DocScrutinizer51hmm, may I suggest you set up a path in your BM script, and call evkey unqualified? not the RIGHT WAY[TM] but maybe for this one instance the most pragmatic one03:08
robbiethe1sthow about:03:10
robbiethe1stif ! `cp /usr/bin/evkey /tmp/disk/usr/sbin/`; then cp /usr/sbin/evkey /tmp/disk/usr/sbin/; fi03:10
robbiethe1stIf it fails to copy from /usr/bin, then copy from /usr/sbin?03:10
robbiethe1st... I think03:11
DocScrutinizer51I wouldn't copy anything, not even to tmp03:13
DocScrutinizer51aah, or are you doing that anyway already?03:13
robbiethe1stIt's copying to a ramdisk03:13
DocScrutinizer51so yep, that's the way03:13
robbiethe1stCause, you know, formatting your rootfs when /running/ off it is not a good idea03:14
DocScrutinizer51cp /usr/*bin/evkey /tmp/disk/user/sbin/03:16
DocScrutinizer51one-char-fix ;-)03:17
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DocScrutinizer51I *love* those one-char fixes03:17
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robbiethe1stJust curious, but does the N900 have the modules to use NTFS partitions?03:21
DocScrutinizer51or cp $(find /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin -name evkey) /tmp/disk/usr/sbin/03:21
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: (NTFS) I seem to recall somebody built those kernel modules for diablo usb hostmode03:22
robbiethe1stAlternately, isn't there a way to have tar split archives based on size?03:23
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DocScrutinizer51maybe nowadays we got better versions, mor mainline'ish03:23
DocScrutinizer51yep, there is03:23
DocScrutinizer51though probably not in crippled messybox tar03:23
robbiethe1stThat's not a problem; I'm already requiring gnu-tar03:23
Hurriankernel-power, at least has it03:24
DocScrutinizer51-M multivolume03:25
DocScrutinizer51Hurrian: thanks :-D03:25
DocScrutinizer51-L, --tape-length=NUMBER03:26
DocScrutinizer51              change tape after writing NUMBER x 1024 bytes03:26
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DocScrutinizer51-F, --info-script=NAME, --new-volume-script=NAME03:27
DocScrutinizer51              run script at end of each tape (implies -M)03:27
robbiethe1stLooks possible03:27
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DocScrutinizer51good approach to deal with 2GB limit of VFAT03:30
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Estel_robbiethe1st, don't touch evkey03:35
Estel_moving it to /usr/bin was mistake03:35
Estel_Pali fixed it already03:35
Estel_in current version available form repos03:35
Estel_its where it was again03:35
Estel_afaik, on bootmenu thread, it's mentioned in last page ;)03:35
robbiethe1stI fixed it the 'best' way, allowing either way to work03:36
Estel_but for sure it won't be in /usr/bin again03:37
robbiethe1stAlso finally got Bootmenu to work on my machine, so I was able to add a 'correct' bootmenu-module to backupmenu03:37
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Estel_robbiethe1st, btw, aren't You one who actually got N950 frome xtended dev program last year?03:37
Estel_so remembe,r that You can participate in CA, but only for N903:38
robbiethe1stI can't say I've ended up using it for much more than an alarm clock, to be honest.03:38
Estel_could pass it to another dev03:38
robbiethe1stI don't know if I'm allowed, to be honest.03:38
Estel_if You're not using it, it';s a problem for Yuo - in case of bein stolen or whatsnot03:38
Estel_need to dela with Nokia and lend agreement03:38
Estel_You're not only allowe,d but also supposed :D03:38
GeneralAntillesrobbiethe1st, you can pass it to whomever you want.03:39
robbiethe1stIsn't there something about that in the NDA I signed?03:39
Estel_don't get it like I'm trying to "rob" You from N950 - just it seems like a shame that it's taking dust03:39
GeneralAntillesFor the N95003:39
GeneralAntillesYou can't sell it03:39
robbiethe1stEstel_, yeah, I understand. Not that at all.03:39
robbiethe1stIt's a cool device, and /maby/ if pali, etc. were able to get bootmenu on it I could get Backupmenu, but for now... it's basically an alarm clock/camera/phone for me03:40
robbiethe1st(phone because my current N900 has a broken modem)03:40
Estel_if, in any case, You would be in need of N900 in ideal condition and USB port soldered down (reinforced), i happen to have them cheaply from time to time03:41
robbiethe1stI might give it to another real dev, but only if I could be assured that Nokia wouldn't come after me.03:41
Estel_like 180 euro + shipping costs03:41
robbiethe1stI may, in a few months.03:41
Estel_robbiethe1st, I can ask about it in mailing list03:41
robbiethe1stFeel free.03:41
Estel_qgil is there,m and he is our Nokia contact03:42
Estel_in fact, it's question rather about how to do it right way03:42
Estel_cause I'm 1100% sure that You're not only encouraged, but also supposed to pass it, if not usinng for dev03:42
Estel_I.e. it's "normal" wya of dealing with them03:42
Estel_some people already did that (passed further)03:42
robbiethe1stOther thing is, you wouldn't know anyone able to actually /fix/ a N900's usb port would you? My old one's at the point you'd have to solder to some small points further in, not just resolder the pads03:42
Estel_robbiethe1st, yea, i know, it's me :D but I must wanr You, that it's not veyr chepa to do properly03:43
robbiethe1stLike how much?03:43
Estel_I've fixed a dozen or so N900 for people @ maemo.org03:43
Estel_let me get into details first ok?03:43
Estel_You got pads destroyed03:43
Estel_soldering to components later involve removing quite important part of shielding +, more importantly, is risky03:44
robbiethe1stThere's an image(perhaps by you) showing two resistors inside of one of the metal cans you'd have to solder to.03:44
Estel_i.e. destroying components that You try to solder to03:44
Estel_proper way is to use apds beneath battery03:44
Estel_yea, i know03:44
Estel_generally it isn't bad way03:44
robbiethe1stdon't they have no ESD protection?03:44
Estel_no, it was FUd, courtesy of Doc03:45
Estel_they lack common mode choke only03:45
Estel_which is part of elegant design, although, not required in any real life situation03:45
Estel_unless you work in core of nuclear reactor03:45
Estel_actually, common mdoe choke limit USB 2.0 speeds a bit03:45
Estel_more problematic is +5V, where it really lacks fuse etc03:45
robbiethe1stI think my 5V is intact...03:46
Estel_but it is more sensible to solder them, as it don't require cutting so much ESD shielding03:46
Estel_even better03:46
Estel_ground is plenty ;)03:46
Estel_it's something like 50 euro + shipping costs both way03:46
Estel_honestly, i'm doing it because I enjoy bringing N90's to life - considering ammount of hours needed to work on it - ultra mini things - i'm working like chinese slave :P03:46
Estel_(considering fee/per hour)03:47
robbiethe1stWell, soldering to the pads under the battery is something I may even be able to do. Soldering to the components is far harder, and I can't do it.03:47
Estel_still, it's too much expensive for most people03:47
Estel_if You have 5V intact03:47
Estel_You can solder to it, and ground +_ USB data from beneath battery03:47
Estel_this way You wouldn't need to solder to components at all03:47
robbiethe1stActually, this brings up an interesting problem03:47
robbiethe1stI've got a temp-controlled 60W iron. With a fine-tipped end on it, whenever I'd try to solder a ground wire/ground contact, my solder would instantly solidify and my tip would stick03:48
robbiethe1st(likely because of all the thermal mass?)03:48
robbiethe1sthow do you handle that?03:48
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Estel_I use gas-powered iron, that can handle even soldering pipes together :P03:49
Estel_(despite small size)03:49
Estel_but I think Your problem is with tip03:49
Estel_is it self-made one?03:49
Estel_60W sounds likme enough03:49
robbiethe1stChinese-made, likely copper with a silver (tin?) coating03:50
Estel_N900 doesn't have so much thermal mass, unless soldering iron is passing heat to end of tip too slowly03:50
Estel_You mean ground wire/ground contatc in N900, right?03:50
Estel_not mains power line?:D03:50
robbiethe1stYeah. the ground pad03:50
robbiethe1stWell, with a bigger tip, I have no trouble soldering 12ga wire03:51
Estel_hm, in worst case, ground pad beneath battery would need just keeping soldering iron next to it a little longer03:51
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Estel_hm, soldering apds beneath battery are quite big03:51
Estel_maybe You're using too smal tip?03:51
robbiethe1stWhat size tip do you use?03:51
Estel_or Your soldering iron isn't in fact 60w but only pretends to be03:51
Estel_I got many self-made tips form cooper and other materials...03:52
robbiethe1stWhat diameter, then? Or do you have a picture?03:52
Estel_for pads beneath batteyr I use regular one with *flat* ending03:52
robbiethe1stI'm looking at the - pad on the USB port03:52
GeneralAntillesSoldering the N900?03:52
Estel_from actual USb pad - this micro one - I use, ofcourse, sharp smallest tip03:52
GeneralAntilles60W sounds like way too much.03:52
robbiethe1stGeneralAntilles, temp controlled03:52
Estel_GeneralAntilles, yea, but when robbiethe1st try to solder to ground, his soldering iron sodlers itself to N90003:53
Estel_so either thermal transfer is too slow in soldering iron -> tip03:53
robbiethe1stWhich is definitely the problem03:53
Estel_or soldering iron is 30W in reality, or so03:53
Estel_so turn temp control to max?03:53
robbiethe1stThat could work03:53
Estel_for soldering ground, of course03:53
Estel_unless it's working station with *real* temp control, those things with rolling resistor for temp control bundled in aren't very helpful03:54
DocScrutinizer51fucking chanlog, Estel_ insulting me and sprwading lies once more. Now I'm fed up with it. No mister estel, missing ESD on test points under battersy is NO FUD, you ***03:54
Estel_could help if You're soldering really delicate micro thing03:54
Estel_yes, it is FUD, we've talked about it before.03:54
Estel_D= and D- lacks *only* common mode choke03:55
Estel_refer to schematics03:55
Estel_and as I've said, +5V is lacking protection indeed03:55
Estel_BTW, funny, You're ignoring me, yet reading every bit of line related to You? sounds cheap03:55
robbiethe1stWell, the real question is whether the d+ and d- have continuity between the ones by the battery and the ones on the USB port?03:55
Estel_maybe I shall start ignoring You, for the change? although, I don't want to, as You're saying many really interesting things, because You're knowledgeable one...03:56
robbiethe1stIf so, you'll get your protection by "backfeeding" as it were...03:56
Estel_...unless you go into zealot mode. Whatr's Your problem with me, really?03:56
Estel_robbiethe1st, of course, they're same usb port03:56
Estel_don't even think about using them as 2 different ports03:56
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: honestly I'd consider carefully to take advice from somebody who outright insults experts about their qualified statements regarding easy to tread schematics, and claims it's just "FUD"03:56
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: nope, that's not how ESD protection works03:57
Estel_of course, I also encourage You to check schematics before soldering - instead of following advices from random guy on irc ;)03:57
Estel_I hope it concludes this03:57
robbiethe1stDon't you have diodes between the line and ground for ESD protection?03:57
robbiethe1stIsn't that what ESD protection basically /is/?03:57
robbiethe1stclamping diodes?03:58
DocScrutinizer51yes, at the point where trace *enters* protected area, it's clamped by tranzorbs. Then there are other components on the way til it reaches chip03:58
Estel_robbiethe1st, clarification of ESd protection being present on under-battery-pads iwas done by blue_led03:58
Estel_without it, it would be dangerous to connect anything to pads beneath battery even in lab03:58
Estel_and npads beneath battery are *not* connected directly to chip03:59
DocScrutinizer51so odds are your ESD surge reaches chip literally before it even propagates to tranzorbs03:59
Estel_won't have link now, so take it with grain of salt, but I'm perfectly sure, that DocScrutinizer was stating somewhere on TMO that they're connected directly to chip, which is false03:59
robbiethe1stCheck the schematics?03:59
Estel_+ actual implementation03:59
robbiethe1stAnyone got a trace layout for the N900?04:00
Estel_DocScrutinizer should have some of those04:00
robbiethe1stEspecially as there was a chineese company selling bare boards a while back?04:00
Estel_including hi res pictures of motherboard including and not elements04:00
DocScrutinizer51look at my server, robbiethe1st. there you get best approach to layout04:00
robbiethe1stLink, please?04:00
DocScrutinizer51scan of such bare board04:00
Estel_still, from practice, it *works* as it should, and I';ve *0* reports of any problems, ecven while devices are used in far from "controlled" enviromnent04:01
DocScrutinizer51galery, or N900-exploded-view or sth04:01
robbiethe1stThat may be the most important thing; in reality, things work slightly different than in theory... for better or worse04:01
Estel_would like to discuss with DocScrutinizer about those tranzorbs and why it conflicts with blue_led research - discuss, nto argue, as it's very interesting topic...04:02
DocScrutinizer51but you don't need to check, as I've already done that. There IS NO ESD protection on testpoints04:02
Estel_but of course he si childlish and /ignore me, so no way to... ;)04:02
Palimaemo autobuilder is shit04:02
Estel_Pali, btw, have I missed it, our You havent commented on widespreading kernel-power via banners and such things?04:02
Estel_Pali, rest assured, we will have COBS soon - which is better, but probably, going to bring even more problems during first period of time ;P04:02
robbiethe1stOk, guys... easy to solve the problem. Take a doner/broken N900, throw some esd surges down those two pins.04:03
robbiethe1stEither it breaks or not.04:03
Palisomething which scratchbox compile and install into debian/tmp/usr/lib autobuilder it install into debian/tmp/lib...04:03
robbiethe1stOught to be testable04:03
Estel_robbiethe1st, yea, try with Your N900 that ahve modem destroyed :P04:03
infobotEstel_ meant: robbiethe1st, yea, try with Your N900 that have modem destroyed :P04:03
robbiethe1stNah, I'm not the one arguing either way04:03
PaliEstel_, I do not think that banner help04:03
robbiethe1stPlus, that's the one that /works/ now04:03
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: wtf?? do you think absence of ESD protection can be verified by breaking stuff?04:03
Estel_Pali, understood04:04
Estel_robbiethe1st, absence of ESd protection can be verified only by asking DocScrutinizer ;)04:04
DocScrutinizer51dang, you wouldn't even be able to tell for sure what defects any surge might trigger in chip04:04
Estel_same apply for things like "does earth roll" and so goes on.04:04
robbiethe1stWell, if it still works right, USB transfers still work...04:04
robbiethe1stBut, to be honest, I'd say the best solution is to take a "broken" n900, use those pins, and run it for a while.04:05
Estel_very nature of ESD damage is that it's hard to predict it04:05
Estel_I must admit that it may work for years, then break on one fatal moment04:05
robbiethe1stIf it stops working USB wise, it's likely a problem. If not, consider it "safe enough".04:05
Estel_but, fortunately, I haven't encountered it04:05
DocScrutinizer51of course there are always idiots with a WFM approach, like "I rubbed a ballon against wool and touched the device with it. No smoke detected. So it has to be safe"04:05
DocScrutinizer51but that's not how real life electronics work04:06
robbiethe1stI'll say there's also a "safe enough" point - there's always a chance of anything happen at any time.04:06
Estel_robbiethe1st, I admit that i'm not E enginer, so You're probably better to listen to his advices - even though he talks them like asshat in very irritating manner04:06
DocScrutinizer51it might survive 5 surges and break on 6th04:06
robbiethe1stLike, say, a cosmic ray breaking the same thing.04:06
DocScrutinizer51it might stop computing 1 + 1 as 204:07
Estel_robbiethe1st, I tend to share Your point of view here, with some additional doze of being careful04:07
Estel_that why I've started doing it *only* after it was confirmed, that data on testpADS beneath battery actually lacks only common choke04:07
robbiethe1stMy point of view here is, be somewhat careful and keep recent backups04:07
robbiethe1stand a second N900 handy04:07
DocScrutinizer51it might (very likely) fry any chip internal clamp diodes to the point where USB2 doesn't work anymore04:08
Estel_after all, working N900 with less reliable ESd is better than non-working one04:08
Estel_robbiethe1st, if You want, hoever, point of view of another E enginer, ask blue_led04:08
Estel_he was the one that bashed DocScrutinizer's FUD (or not to FUD? who knows...)04:08
DocScrutinizer51but noooooo mr estel knows better and accuses an EE telling FUD about his primary competence domain04:09
robbiethe1stAlso... Says to me that running N900 off of external PS instead of battery is possible04:09
robbiethe1stAlso, you two? I don't F***ing give two shits about your petty fights.04:09
robbiethe1stI want to know specific facts about specific situations, including anecdotal evidence.04:10
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: I again request you instruct Estel_to refrain from insulting me04:10
robbiethe1stOoh, that looks good; battery test-pads are on the same side as the USB port. Makes things loads easier.04:10
Estel_and I request You to stop requesting ;) I'm trying to help robbiethe1st with his problem04:10
Estel_and I've already told him that YOU ( DocScrutinizer ) are EE, so it's better to listen to Your advices, cause i'm not E engineer. Still, telling him to *check* sources for himself isn't insulting.04:11
Estel_so stop this childlish madness.04:11
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: sorry guy, I don't even see estel_ (/ignore) so how the FUCK can I fight with him. Please don't push the flamewar and shit going on here04:11
robbiethe1stThat, right there, says that you're immature. /ignoring someone just makes things worse for 3rd parties04:12
DocScrutinizer51F U04:12
robbiethe1stBecause it means /I/ get two halves of 3 conversations.04:12
Paliwho except maintainers can promote package from extras-devel to extras-testing?04:13
Estel_Pali, X-Fade04:13
PaliI'd like to see locate in Extras04:13
Estel_Council is working to change it.04:13
PaliI'm on pending list of maintainers04:13
Estel_original maintainer doesn't respond?04:13
Paliseems yes04:14
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PaliI did not tried contact him04:15
Estel_frtuitless effort04:15
robbiethe1stPali, how do we get bootmenu 1.12 into Extras?04:15
Estel_Pali, I'll talk with X-Fade today, @ 15 UTC, if he will be attending COBS meeting04:16
Palirobbiethe1st, bootmenu is in extras-testing04:16
Palineeds voting for promotion04:16
Estel_will add this as ad-hoc point to grant You maintainership, but, generally, we're working on generating group of people with privilleges to promote packages04:16
Estel_well tested ones04:16
robbiethe1stHow do I vote?04:16
Estel_but unmaintained04:16
Estel_yea, Pali voted 3x times :p04:17
robbiethe1stI want to get all the recent, stable dependancies for BM into Extras, so mine can get there someday04:17
PaliEstel_, there are more packages which should go to extras04:18
Estel_of course04:18
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PaliI do not remember full list04:18
Estel_no worries, general diea is to create super-testers group04:18
Estel_that would be able to promote packages04:18
robbiethe1stOk, BootMenu is now at 6 karma04:19
Palibut if somebody on IRC will have permission for that, it would be nice04:19
Estel_for example having enough votes, but stuck in queye due to absent maintainer04:19
robbiethe1stWhat happens now?04:19
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Paliwait until maemo package interface show me promote button04:20
robbiethe1stAlso, need votes for this04:20
PaliQA Quarantine ends: 2012-06-12 20:4504:20
robbiethe1stYou can still vote for it, me thinks04:20
robbiethe1stSame with
Paliso we need wait one week for bootmenu :-(04:20
robbiethe1stfair enough04:21
Estel_robbiethe1st, better post links for voting in backupmenu's TMO thread04:21
Estel_as on IRc, You won't find many people for voting.04:21
Estel_that have tested packages04:21
robbiethe1stDo you have BM installed and working? Then you've tested it04:22
PaliI'm using mtd-utils and i2c-tools and booth working :-)04:22
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Estel_robbiethe1st, working and all options tested - yes04:24
Estel_so i've voted04:24
Estel_still, posting links in 3 AM on irc won't get You to have full akrma for msot packages04:24
Estel_so post it in TMO thread ;)04:24
Estel_lately, people are much more educated about importance of voting04:25
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Estel_so if You put it in backupmenu thread as request to tets and vote, they will do.04:25
Palirobbiethe1st, two notes about backupmenu: 1. delete or fix bugtracker link 2. remove vim swap file /usr/share/backupmenu/
robbiethe1stLatter is I think gone04:25
robbiethe1stwas in the one build04:25
robbiethe1stCompletely off topic question: Anyone who has a N950 or (likely) N9, do you know the default alarm clock melody?04:27
robbiethe1stOn my N950, it also vibrates in tune with the audio04:27
robbiethe1stDo you know if we could do something similar on the N900?04:27
robbiethe1stDocs, Estel_ Looking at the N900 schematics04:31
robbiethe1stthere's the "HS USB Transceiver04:31
robbiethe1stWhat chip is this, what model?04:32
SpeedEvilIt's a nxp USB transiever04:32
SpeedEvilI've forgotten the model04:32
* SpeedEvil goes back to sleep04:33
Estel_heh, was going to post these links too :P04:34
robbiethe1stSo, looks like both DocScrutinizer  and Estel_ may be right04:34
robbiethe1stThe N900's ESD protection diodes are on the other side of a choke coil from the test points04:35
* Estel_ nods04:35
* Estel_ is rising courtain04:35
robbiethe1st...However, if this "similar" USB chip is any indication, it also has ESD protection built in04:35
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: g'nite04:35
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: well, I hate that "toldya"04:36
Estel_...which would explain why it's working nevertheless04:36
Estel_...and that DocScrutinizer likes more to provide crippled info, than to just admit I may be right ;)04:36
DocScrutinizer51and no, the USB PHY's ESD is insufficient04:36
robbiethe1stWhich should protect it well enough to mitigate part of the surge, the rest of which will be clamped via the protection chip through the coil04:36
DocScrutinizer51wut? hahaha04:37
robbiethe1stHow can you say that? (the similar chip)'s rated for +-8.8KV04:37
robbiethe1stOn the pins we care about04:37
DocScrutinizer51there's a reason for the bifilar choke and the tranzorbs/varistors straight at USB receptacle04:39
* Estel_ watches, as tension goes higher and higher, like in good thriller04:39
robbiethe1stOh, I'm sure. Likely to comply with some regulation and or provide extra protection04:39
DocScrutinizer51first of all the choke doesn't let pass any steep ESD surge04:39
Estel_robbiethe1st - like with common mode choke:P04:39
Estel_it's also there only to comply with fc-something04:40
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Estel_for same fck'ed reason we haven't been having hostmode form very beginning - they wasn't able to comply with standards on due time04:40
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robbiethe1stOh, speaking of which, have we been able to control/check the ID pin yet?04:40
DocScrutinizer51and now I'm out again, as even you seem to love the friggin popcorn cinema estel is inscenating here on my expense, more than a reasonable discussion based on facts04:40
Estel_robbiethe1st, yes, we cna read it, but no use for now, due to no way of detecting speed04:41
Estel_but Pali is working on it04:41
Estel_as opposite to some guys that only talk that it's impossible ;)04:41
SpeedEvilThe commonmode choke means that it has high impedence to commonmode signals - this means that the protection diodes are effectively not connected to the circuit for the first few microseconds.04:41
SpeedEvilThis is plenty of time for damage to occur04:42
Estel_chillout DocScrutinizer, you sounds like thinking too much about Yourself.04:42
DocScrutinizer51and since I'm not going to change that /ignore, I'm sorry you get 7 quarters of 33 discussins due to that04:42
* SpeedEvil really goes to sleep.04:42
Estel_SpeedEvil, true04:42
robbiethe1stWell, couldn't we setup a simple system that, when that pin is pulled high or w/e, pops up a dialog on the desktop and allows the user to select the speed04:42
robbiethe1stSpeedEvil, would expect the 8.8KV built in diodes to handle that part of it.04:42
* Estel_ wonders why DocScrutinizer told us that it's popcorn cinema... no, this childlish behavior is *real* drama! or even DRAMA04:44
robbiethe1stEither way, I'd expect it'll probably work fine under /most/ conditions... To improve performance, the best thing would be to short out the common mode coul04:44
Estel_robbiethe1st, using testpads, You're not passing common mode04:44
Estel_so don't need to care about it04:44
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xd13anyone here can give me a lil help with n90004:45
robbiethe1stNo, but that would allow the external ESD protection chip to help out in countering any surges04:45
xd13I have backupmenu installed modified my /etc/passwd file04:45
Estel_sure thing, just ask, and don't get upsed if we ask you to readmsome manuals, if Your question was covered04:45
robbiethe1stYes, xd?04:45
xd13phone won't start04:45
xd13i know how to fix the file04:45
robbiethe1stPeriod, or in BM mode?04:45
xd13can i use backupmenu to access it04:45
xd13bm works04:45
robbiethe1stDo you have power kernel installed?04:45
xd13i do04:45
robbiethe1stThen yes.04:46
robbiethe1stRun BM, try to run root console04:46
robbiethe1stOnce there, if you can login, you've got a terminal and you can fix it04:46
xd13oh sweet jesus04:46
robbiethe1stYou'll need to mount the rootfs partition(mountroot command)04:46
robbiethe1stthen just edit it04:47
Estel_wait, wait04:48
xd13wuts root password04:48
Estel_what does /etc/passwd have to do with non-booting phone04:48
xd13changed user info04:48
Estel_I see.04:48
robbiethe1sthave you used ssh?04:48
xd13tried to make bash4 default04:48
robbiethe1stsshd anyway04:48
Estel_as for root, erm, it's the one You've set up?04:49
xd13can i use it as a hard drive04:49
xd13and see the file04:49
Estel_no, not rootfs04:49
robbiethe1stNot the rootfs04:49
Estel_and *don't* make bash as default shell04:49
Estel_You gain more by installing busybox-power04:49
Estel_and You can still use bash when needed04:49
Estel_from userland04:49
robbiethe1stYou can, however, make a backup of your rootfs to the mydocs, then mount the mydocs via USB, copy off the tar file, extract your passwd04:49
Estel_replacing busybox with bash is incredibly wrong idea04:49
robbiethe1stchange the passwd, stick it back into the tar, then stick that back on n900 and restore the image04:50
xd13wuts the login info when i use root console04:50
Estel_xd13, BTw, robbiethe1st is author of backupmenu04:50
Estel_login: root04:50
Estel_passwrd: <the one You've set>04:50
xd13i never set one04:50
Estel_how i'msupposed to know Your root password?04:50
robbiethe1stIn which case you're screwed04:50
Estel_have You installed openssh?04:50
robbiethe1stFor that method04:51
xd13i have installed openssh04:51
Estel_so, it asked You to create password upon installation04:51
robbiethe1stThen that root password is the one04:51
robbiethe1stbe back soon; dinner time.04:51
xd13I never created a pass04:51
xd13that's weird04:51
Estel_You wouldn't be able to end openssh installation04:52
xd13I have a recent backup, better to just restore em04:52
Estel_unless you installked client only04:52
Estel_as robbiethe1st said04:52
Estel_make backup, untar it on pc04:53
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Estel_change /etc/passwd04:53
Estel_and tar it again04:53
Estel_then restore04:53
Estel_if backupmenu saved Your ass, consider donating few bucks to robbiethe1st04:53
Estel_he is author of backupmenu04:53
xd13question is04:54
Estel_I'm going off-line for a while, will solder sd card slot to my router :D04:54
xd13if this works how do i set a root passwd04:54
Estel_same way as in any linux distro, see manuals for it on net :)04:54
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PaliEstel_, all packages (except that nokia non free) for ipv6 are in extras-devel04:57
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xd13woohoo my ass is saved :)04:58
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DocScrutinizer51xd13: root:HxfFl.UXLGGDA:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh05:00
DocScrutinizer51is a line for /etc/passwd05:01
DocScrutinizer51with plaintext password n90005:01
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xd13i only installed ssh client05:02
xd13i'm back anyway05:02
DocScrutinizer51replace your original line for "root:" with this one05:02
xd13backupmenu saved my ass05:02
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xd13replace the line in /etc/password with the one u gave me05:05
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robbiethe1stShell question05:46
robbiethe1stI've got a command: "gtar -options alkfahfhwf 2> /path"05:46
robbiethe1stCan I pipe stdout to another program like:05:46
robbiethe1st"gtar -options alkfahfhwf 2> /path | split -b 100m"?05:47
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robbiethe1stAnyone around?06:33
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Hurrianrobbiethe1st, here07:17
Hurrianno, it doesn't work.07:18
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Hurrianthe pipe command.07:39
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robbiethe1stturns out it does work08:00
robbiethe1stThe pipe anyway08:00
robbiethe1stsplit won't accept stdin with stock busybox, though08:00
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Estel_yea, sd mod finished08:38
Estel_took few solid hours, as I had to modify existing instructions...08:38
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Estel_I wanted to retain possibility of having serial console and serial port, so didn't wanted to use easily-available pads + I want, for sure, add USB 1.1 ports later08:39
Estel_so I had to probe it with multimeter, finding other spots with correct connections08:39
Estel_+ didn't wanted to solder SD card for "forever", or to solder microSD adapter, as I would like to use cheaper full size Sd cards = I dissasembled cheap USB sd card reader and prepared solid slot for SD08:40
Estel_modified case, etc08:40
Estel_overall, it's ncie to boot acces point with 2GB storage :D (card that I had lying somewhere, could use any number), for... IDK, 5 usd?08:41
* Estel_ head to install openwrt, optware, and some IRC proxy, so he and rest of Council doesn't need to rely on unreliable people revoking promises at first signs of personal dissagrements08:41
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HurrianEstel_, what kind of SD mod is that?10:15
Elleowhat's likely to cause the application manager to complain that a deb is an "incompatible application package", for a deb that otherwise installs fine via dpkg with no warnings10:15
Hurrianmight be just HAM being stupid.10:16
Elleoah, is it perhaps because it's a library?10:16
Hurriando you have and conflicts/replces etc?10:16
Elleoinstead of a user facing application10:16
HurrianElleo, iirc it doesn't distinguish between the two10:17
Elleonope, no conflicts or replaces10:17
Hurrianmeh, just HAM being crap as always. carry on, I guess.10:17
Elleomaybe because I didn't add an X-Maemo-Application-Name field?10:17
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Elleonope, apparently not that10:20
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DocScrutinizer51ok, ordered 3 new ones11:16
DocScrutinizer51one is not for me though11:17
Sc0rpiusthree what?11:19
merlin1991Elleo/Hurrian ham says incompatible package if the package is not in one of the few defined user/something sections11:24
Elleomerlin1991: ah11:25
merlin1991valid sections are here:
Elleogreat, that's a big help11:25
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: right...11:27
DocScrutinizer51chem|st: thanks again for letting me know :-)11:28
Elleomerlin1991: awesome, that's sorted my problem, thanks again :)11:28
merlin1991yw :)11:28
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: yw11:28
chem|stthought about myself11:28
DocScrutinizer51Sc0rpius: N90011:28
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: have you called in and asked if they are OVP unboxed?11:29
DocScrutinizer51no, just added it as condition comment to order11:29
chem|stuh might be backscattering11:30
chem|stdidn#t you read the links I sent you?11:30
DocScrutinizer51which links11:30
chem|stone was 50:50 good and bad about shipping packaging and so on11:31
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chem|stthat link11:31
chem|stthats why I asked you to call in ahead11:32
Sc0rpiuswell enough coding for tonight11:34
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DocScrutinizer51well, shipping etc is no such big deal, as long as the devices are no fake, or used ones somebody refurbished (or not)11:46
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DocScrutinizer51there's been another shop which sold used refurbished devices as if they were new11:50
DocScrutinizer51I think I should call in anyway, as they wait for my payment, so I get to know if they can deliver what I ordered before transfering the money11:51
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DocScrutinizer51chem|st: only 2 left over, no original package but allegedly unused new device, only battery and PSU, no other accessories12:00
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teotwakigod fucking damn12:15
teotwakiI find what I believe to be the best keyboard in the world12:15
teotwakiand it doesn't work under linux :(12:16
Hurrianteotwaki, how could it not work under linux, if it adheres to the HID spec12:17
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chem|stteotwaki: which?12:18
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chem|stI was thinking about buying a rapoo12:20
teotwakizowie celeritas12:20
teotwakiit works, but apparently there's bug in udev12:21
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teotwakiwhich means that when I hit dead keys (ctrl, shift, alt), there's no "SYN" signal sent, which forces Linux to consider the key was released instantly12:21
teotwakichem|st: ^12:22
Khertanteotwaki: epic fail :)12:24
chem|sta zowie....12:24
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KhertanDoes there is a webdav client for n900 ?12:25
teotwakiKhertan: Comment appelle-t-on un cheval qui se casse la gueule?12:26
Khertanteotwaki: aucune idée12:26
teotwakiKhertan: Un hippique fail12:26
Khertanteotwaki: forcement j'aurais du me douter12:27
KhertanSomeone have try to use qt quick component on harmattan ? is it useable ? as my first try fail on InfoBanner and maxlinecount unavaible in the n900 qt version of qt quick12:28
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chem|stteotwaki: you never had a cherry kbd?12:33
teotwakiI had one sometime ago, got stolen12:34
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DocScrutinizer51teotwaki: modifier keys, not dead keys12:42
teotwakiDocScrutinizer: right, sorry12:42
DocScrutinizer51deadkey is, like, `12:42
DocScrutinizer51teotwaki: I just corrected you as there's an obviously unrelated "no-deadkeys" kbd-layout in linux12:45
DocScrutinizer51~ on n900 is a classical deadkey12:46
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer5112:46
DocScrutinizer51MEEE! :-/12:46
DocScrutinizer51~forget on n90012:47
infoboti forgot on n900, DocScrutinizer5112:47
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teotwakiMechanical keyboard ftw! Now workz under Linux :D15:07
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DocScrutinizer51you attached a rmeington typewriter to your PC?15:08
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disco_stuHi everybody18:50
disco_stusomeone know what will happen with meego ? i'm considering the buy of a nokia n918:50
disco_stubut I'am wondering.. some say this will be the only phone with harmattan18:51
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chem|stdisco_stu: officialy there will be no further maemo/meego phone18:56
chem|stas they just started to resurrect Qt and such, noone knows18:58
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disco_stuchem|st: i've seen the phone and it is awesome, but I dont know if I should buy it. shame on nokia18:59
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freemangordonWTF? Facebook DNS resolves to IPv6 address19:13
freemangordonMohammadAG, ping19:13
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jacekowskifreemangordon: yeah, what's wrong with that19:16
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jacekowskiit's the future19:16
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freemangordonjacekowski: "Failed to connect to 2a03:2880:10:1f03:face:b00c:0:26: Network is unreachable". That is why facebook widget/photo uploader fails19:17
jacekowskiwell, your computer shouldn't try ipv6 unless you have working ipv619:17
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freemangordonmy computer? no, it is my n90019:18
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jacekowskiwell, then your n90019:18
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jacekowskiwhat's in your /etc/gai.conf19:18
freemangordoncat: can't open '/etc/gai.conf': No such file or directory19:19
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freemangordonjacekowski: Have in mind that FB DNS returns ONLY IPv6 address, i checked it with tcpdump19:21
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jacekowskithat's because you only ask for ipv619:21
jacekowskiyou have to ask for A record not for AAAA19:21
freemangordonjacekowski, it is AAAA19:22
freemangordonwant a pastebin?19:22
jacekowskiroot@jacekowski:/etc# host -t A facebook.com19:22 has address
jacekowskiroot@jacekowski:/etc# host -t AAAA facebook.com19:22 has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:2110:3f01:face:b00c::19:22
freemangordonbut why maemo asks for that?19:22
jacekowskido you have powerkernel?19:22
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Estel_because they knew Pali will implement IPv6 in KP :)19:23
jacekowskiwell, here is your answer19:23
jacekowskiuse normal ipv4 only kernel19:23
Estel_jacekowski,  doesn't sound like solution19:23
freemangordonORLY? why the AFAIK those with stock kernel cannot use FB widget/uploader?19:23
Estel_"don't want ,Your car to crash, use bicycle"19:23
jacekowskiwell, you would need working ipv6 userland19:24
freemangordonjacekowski, it tries to resolve api.facebook.com19:24
jacekowskiroot@jacekowski:/etc# host api.facebook.com19:24 has address has address has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:8f01:face:b00c:0:2619:24
Estel_all normal programs use ipv4 until connected to ipv619:24
freemangordonwhile opens pretty well in browaser19:24
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jacekowskiEstel_: not really19:24
jacekowskiEstel_: wget preffers ipv619:24
Estel_mine doesn't ;)19:25
jacekowskiEstel_: and it depends on settings in gai.conf19:25
Estel_no problem in using it with KP here19:25
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Estel_and I have't messed with gai.conf19:25
Woody14619freemangordon: Tmobil = ipv4, TW = ipv6.  Wonder if thats why the old system still works for me?  Just a though.19:25
freemangordonjacekowski, there is no gai.conf here19:25
freemangordonWoody14619, yeah, seems like19:25
jacekowskifreemangordon: that's because n900 userland isn't ipv6 ready19:26
Estel_I have good idea, lets remove facebook alltogether from N900, then pray it's corpse using Monks of Stallman, and burn it in vulcano19:26
Estel_never enough careful when dealing with toxic blobs19:26
freemangordonjacekowski: the problem as I see it, is that someone for some reason asks for IPv6 address. And that someone is eithr libcurl or some closed nokia binary19:27
Estel_libcurl got updated lately in devel, many times19:27
Estel_new version every few days19:27
Estel_some unknown guy posting it - works fine, at least considering "normal" usage19:28
Estel_may be related?19:28
jacekowskifreemangordon: it's configured with gai.conf19:28
freemangordonEstel_, NFC, but I don't think I am using the latest libcurl19:28
jacekowskifreemangordon: it you don't have gai.conf it will use some defaults19:28
jacekowskiso create one with preference set to v419:28
freemangordonjacekowski, ok. going to try19:29
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freemangordonjacekowski: adding "precedence ::ffff:0:0/96  100" to /etc/gai.conf does not help19:38
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cbeaui am looking for help re mschapv2 authentication in maemo 5 on n90019:40
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cbeaucan anyone help me w mschapv2 on n900?19:42
Estel_no idea what it is19:42
cbeaui see javispedro just quit a few minutes ago... did he say when he'd be back?19:43
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cbeauwondering if any of libqt-bearer-hotfix or libqt-mobility fix the mschapv2 problem... anyone?19:54
PaliEstel_, another bug for X-Fade:
povbot_Bug 12581: Not possible to browse history of Developer forum19:57
PaliEstel_, and do you have some new info about ?19:58
povbot_Bug 12415: Missing source code of osso-backup19:58
Palijacekowski, hi, did you find something about nolo?20:00
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Estel_Pali,  as for osso-backup, not yet20:02
Estel_will buggy qgil again20:02
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freemangordonEstel_, what is your libcurl version?20:12
freemangordonand you cannot use FB too?20:13
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freemangordonEstel_ ^^^20:14
Estel_no idea, don't have fb account, never tried it20:15
freemangordonaaah, damn20:15
Estel_wasn't ever aware about fb plugin on N900 ;)20:15
Estel_until You started RE it20:15
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Estel_Finally, set up dircproxy on my wrt54GL :)20:48
Estel_]I did sd car dmod properly, although, it doesn't work with 2.6 kernel - it could, if i would spend another few days in debugging what gpio are use dby 2.6 and FOSS RE of broadcom drivers, and were not in 2.4...20:48
Estel_But, after all, OpenWRT, even with kernel 2.6, allow to install dirc and still have plenty of room - almsot 500 kb :) left in jffs220:49
Estel_finally could use that dircproxy is 60 kb, lol20:49
Estel_= full fledged proxy bounder on own 12V 300 mA router :D20:49
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ThreeMthe legendary wrt54gl :D20:55
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luke-jrEstel_: my WZR has 19 MB free :P21:02
Estel_but it cost triple as much, or more :p21:03
Estel_Now I just need to find how to activate this sd card and will have 2GB free :P21:03
Estel_seems like weifi drivers is occupying gpio for diodes, and don't want to gtfo from them21:04
Estel_card is recognized probperly, but diodes flash as usual, which would explain why card doesn't work - jammed by diode's signals21:04
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chem|stjacekowski: I do not have ipv6 kernel and have the FB widget/upload problem21:14
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chem|stcbeau: what problem are you talking about?21:16
freemangordonchem|st, yeah, I was trying to explain the same think :D. But as usual - "aah, you have KP installed, there it is" :(21:17
chem|stand estel talking to himself about whatever...21:19
Estel_chem|st,  if that was meant to be another argumentum ad persona, it was poor, You're capable of doing better ;)21:20
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cbeauchem|st it's related to mschapv2 not working on n90021:34
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cbeauhas anyone ever been able to use mschapv2 successfully?21:36
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cbeauIt does not work for me and I think the issue is that the n900 doesn't communicate that it is using mschapv2 when it initiates the connection.21:37
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cbeauyou can check out my comment to bug 11743 at
povbot_Bug Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication21:37
povbot_Bug 11743: Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication21:37
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cbeaupovbot_: yeah, i know about this bug... I just posted a comment there21:38
povbot_cbeau: Error: "yeah," is not a valid command.21:38
cbeauanyone knows what software package on the n900 is responsible for communicating the inner tunnel type?21:39
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vi_cbeau: ICD maybe?21:42
Jay_Whi there.  is it possible to get a all list of all currently running apps that have a gui (like the code here , unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a wnck-module for maemo)21:42
vi_I dunno21:42
vi_If not where is the written statement from Nokia stating that?21:42
vi_Quote & Reply |21:42
vi_oops, wrong xterm.21:42
cbeauis it libicd-network-wlan or libicd-network-eap or osso-wlan(-security) or something...?21:42
cbeauvi_: I wish there was a way to know for sure.21:43
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Jay_Wis there a wnck python module for maemo?22:18
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chem|stcbeau: it does not autoconnect if you mean that... EAP TTLS MSCHAPv2 works...22:34
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chem|stit is peap then?22:34
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fastaWhat's the latest Linux kernel supported?22:37
fastaI think the default one comes with free remote expoits.22:38
cbeauchem|ist: it is peap mschapv2 that I am trying and it doesn't work. As per my post for bug #11743, the issues appears to be that n900 does not communicate that it is using mschapv2 as inner tunnel.22:38
povbot_Bug Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication22:38
cbeauchem|ist: so not ttls22:39
freemangordonjacekowski: You may want to check FB issue development on #maemo-ssu22:40
Sc0rpiusdoes CSSU has a FB client or something?22:41
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Jay_Whow can one get a all list of all currently running apps that have a gui (like the code here
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chem|stSc0rpius: you do not need a client... you need the sharing plugin and the widget-api22:50
chem|stSc0rpius: there is sociality... needs some polishing but is working22:51
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lufchem|st what version of libcurl3 do you have?22:55
lufPlease try to update using extras-devel.22:56
lufIt helps freemangordon with FB problem.22:57
chem|stluf: should I join u guys in cssu?22:57
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lufI see no reason why you can't (if you mean irc). Otherwise I'm not member of cssu yet ;)22:58
chem|stluf: what you mean with helping freeman with?22:58
lufchem|st: Try to update just libcurl from extras-devel. Not cssu itself ;-)22:59
lufchem|st: Let's look the #mameo-ssu log22:59
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chem|stluf: please talk a bit more what you are trying to achieve23:00
lufchem|st: freemangordon updated libcurl3 to the one from extras-testing and FB works for himnow.23:01
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chem|stehrm why do I need to install from devel then?23:01
chem|stfreemangordon: extras-devel or extras-testing?23:01
lufSorry my mistake :) But it's the same version in both.23:02
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lufchem|st: let's try extras-testing.23:02
chem|stI am on testing always...23:02
chem|stgmrl update takes freaking long23:02
freemangordonchem|st, sorry, stupid XP rebooted out of the blue23:02
lufI'll check again but there should be 7.25.0-1maemo7 in testing as well as in devel.23:03
freemangordonchem|st, i've installed libcurl from extras-devel, but as luf said, it should be the same in extras-testing23:03
freemangordonboth photo uploader and widget work23:03
freemangordonsharing account setup works too23:04
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chem|stapt-worker is blocking me, hold on23:05
freemangordondo apt-get install libcurl323:05
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chem|st"apt-worker is blocking me, hold on"23:05
freemangordonsomething wrong with packaging maybe, i had the same problem23:06
freemangordonchem|st, i did apt-get install libcurl3 and it went fine23:06
chem|stno if I setup a new repo it updates for ages...23:06
freemangordonmaybe it depends on stuff only in -devel23:07
chem|sttesting upload23:07
chem|stit loads23:08
freemangordonloads? iploads?23:08
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chem|styes upload works23:09
chem|stwas it that ipv6 crap?23:09
luffreemangordon: ok, it seems you're right. Just change in curl.23:09
lufNo idea.23:10
freemangordonchem|st, it is that ipv6 crap triggering some bug in stock libcurl23:10
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chem|stok nice one, whoever found out post it on tmo! you deserve the thanks!23:11
lufchem|st: it's possible that new libcurl should have some side effect.23:11
chem|stluf: what kind23:11
lufI see noone.23:11
freemangordonchem|st:I already made the post ;)23:11
chem|stok I check all my upload clients23:11
lufchem|st: but it's new version ...23:11
lufchem|st: ;)23:12
freemangordonluf: that is why CSSU have several repos: -devel -testing -stable23:13
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freemangordonaah, the poor guinea pig :P23:14
luffreemangordon: I know but it seems it's not wide tested ...23:14
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freemangordonluf, that is why the first repo it will enter will be -devel23:14
freemangordonafter a couple of weeks if there are no regressions it will enter -testing23:15
luffreemangordon: It's for one month in -testing ...23:15
freemangordonin a month or so, if still there are no regressions it will enter -stable23:15
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freemangordonluf: CSSU-testing23:15
freemangordonnad CSSU-devel23:15
luffreemangordon: it should be same with extras-*23:16
freemangordonluf: you'd better think in terms of repos starting with cssu- if you gonna be a part of the CSSU team :P23:16
freemangordonlu: no, it is differen23:16
luffreemangordon: :D23:16
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GeneralAntillesI love that qgil still has that silly fake eyeballs avatar.23:29
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