IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-06-03

Estel_hey, little question00:04
Estel_I've some program in /opt/bin00:04
Estel_I know it's sitting there, as it should00:04
Estel_PATH is properly exported00:04
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Estel_I also see my program while using autocomplete via tab00:05
Estel_yet, when I run it, I see00:05
Estel_-sh: dircproxy: not found00:05
Estel_what the hell? something still missing from path?00:05
Estel_I'm logged as root on router, then /opt/bin is added to PATH properly00:06
merlin1991+x ?00:07
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: yes00:11
DocScrutinizer51chem|st: ?00:13
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: messing with cryptdisk00:25
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: btw the answere to 16GB RAM hibernation is a RAM - Cache - buffers sized swap00:28
DocScrutinizer51and mine is only 2GB while RAM are 8GB00:29
DocScrutinizer51btw this equation is correct only as long as no swao already used00:29
chem|stfor a "normal" system a healthy swap is like 4-6GB, I have 9.5GB but I have no usual system... with iceweasel and 2 terminals I have 3GB used...00:30
DocScrutinizer51and I already thought WTF when the installer of this distro suggested this partitioning00:30
chem|styour new notebook?00:31
DocScrutinizer51I might need to repartition00:31
chem|stwell my netbooks swap is 2GB aswel00:31
chem|stcannot hibernate my desktop if swaps lower than 4GB though00:32
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chem|stxmas I had to break my 340 days uptime for a damn kernel upgrade...00:33
chem|stnetbook this is00:33
Estel_merlin1991, no, it's +x already00:38
Estel_without it, it would say "permission denied"00:39
Estel_merlin1991, it turned out that - probably uclibc is incompatible00:39
Estel_could install update one, but it's 800 kb, and I have 700 kb free in jffs2 total :p00:39
Estel_... and I wanted to only run 70 kb dircproxy :P00:40
Estel_could compile it staticaly, or00:40
Estel_take my soldering iron and finally do SD card mod to my wrt54GL00:40
Estel_then drop here 1 or 2 GB Sd card and say gtfo to space constrains00:41
Estel_... and run LibreOffice from my router :P00:41
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LaoLang_coolDoes busybox have vi mode?02:53
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SpeedEvilvi is one of the modules it may have02:54
SpeedEvilI have one system without even 'ls' in busybox.02:55
psychologewithout ls ?you can copy easy debian "ls " to maemo,it can work to02:56
LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil, I mean vi mode, not vi app itself02:57
SpeedEvilnot maemo.02:57
LaoLang_coolIn other shell, set -o vi can enable it02:57
LaoLang_coolBut it doesn't work in busybox02:57
chem|stLaoLang_cool: how about installing bash?02:58
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LaoLang_coolchem|st, doens't want another shell, busybox is good enough02:58
chem|stwell I want what I am used to02:59
SpeedEvilSome MIPS thing with 6M of RAM, and 2.6.8 kernel.02:59
LaoLang_coolchem|st, :)02:59
psychologesomeday ago,i use apt-get upgrade some app and lib,  after my phone can't reboot...03:02
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luke-jrEstel_: wait, are you on the Council?03:22
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, yes.03:23
GeneralAntillesAlso: Hi.03:23
luke-jrmeh, that means I need to actually care what he thinks :/03:23
GeneralAntillesTread carefully! ;)03:23
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: well, he was stressing the importance of dummy-friendly documentation earlier <.<03:25
luke-jrfor Gentoo/N90003:25
GeneralAntillesYou'd figure that userbase would have more than enough self-selection.03:28
Hurrianluke-jr, isn't emerging from source incredibly slow on gentoo?03:28
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luke-jrHurrian: I let it update overnight. Plus I provide binaries.03:29
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: yeah, I do. but if the Council is judging based on docs, I may have a problem XD03:29
Hurriananyways, what have you got working?03:29
GeneralAntillesWell, then, doc up! ;)03:30
Hurrianif it's gentoo-specific, i may be able to fix up the documentation to be distro-agnostic03:30
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: yeah, just… I'd rather spend the time actually *doing* something :P03:30
luke-jrHurrian: well, the thing is I don't have anything documented right now03:31
GeneralAntillesDon't denigrate the technical writing, you fiend! :P03:31
* GeneralAntilles polishes his Wiki Star.03:31
Hurrianiirc you said you had most hardware working?03:31
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: in that context, it'd be better for someone skilled in technical writing (ie, not me) to do it <.<03:31
luke-jrHurrian: the core hardware, at least03:31
luke-jr <-- most detailed status :p03:32
luke-jrI thought i went into more detail there03:32
Hurrianluke-jr, i assume that means core system + watchdog program + maemo/mer kernel03:32
luke-jrHurrian: + GPRS with network integration03:33
luke-jr+ SMS03:33
luke-jr+ KDE03:33
Hurriannice, nice.03:33
luke-jraudio out works, but not safe yet (need a highpass filter finished)03:33
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Hurrianthe cameras need a special insmod sequence to register the v4l2 device, right?03:34
luke-jrI don't think so O.o03:34
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luke-jrI'm mostly focussed on getting voice calls going (with an ALSA driver for the phone audio), but I'm pretty sure when I did cameras they just showed up on boot03:34
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* luke-jr ponders if he can/should throw the Gentoo docs on the Maemo wiki <.<03:36
luke-jrGitorious wiki kinda sucks03:37
Hurriandefinitely interesting work towards building a linux desktop base system config.03:37
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kwtmI agree!08:43
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keriocuz it's not possible11:19
keriotx bursts can take 2As, the fastcharger gives at most 1.111:20
eddybwhat tx bursts?11:20
keriogsm/umts radio11:20
eddybI don't care about that, put it in offline mode11:21
keriothen it kinda works11:21
keriostop the bme11:21
eddybwhy isn't it working in uboot?11:22
eddybI'm pretty sure that doesn't use 3G for anything *trollface*11:23
eddybkerio: with bluetooth/*G/wifi disabled with an applet, it now takes a second to shut down after switching to USB11:25
eddybkerio: oh, I was browsing on the wiki, and I now know what BME is /facepalm11:26
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eddybthe N900 is annoying11:32
eddybso, if it's off, I can't really boot it when it's charging, it vibrates every minute, and if it's connected to the laptop, I can see that when it vibrates, it enables a strange "firmware update" device for a couple of seconds11:33
robbiethe1stSomething's screwy with it11:35
robbiethe1stIt's in a boot-loop when in charging-mode11:35
robbiethe1stit /should/ vibrate, show a dark nokia logo, and then appear to be off for the remainder of the charging period11:35
eddybit somehow manages to do that in a loop11:36
robbiethe1stYeah, sounds like a crash to me; something like DSME rebooting the machine when in that mode11:36
eddybkerio: offline-mode, no bme, and without battery: works fine for about ten seconds, then the screen fades out, the backlight is still on, the led is constant orange, and it doesn't look like anything is running11:37
robbiethe1stTurn off the screen before removing the battery?11:38
eddyboh, so that's another power-whore?11:38
robbiethe1stWell, the backlight certainly is11:38
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robbiethe1stIt's like... more than any other component11:39
eddybdamn cheap charger11:39
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robbiethe1stEither way, charging with no battery should be only for use while swapping out the battery, not for running11:39
robbiethe1stIf for no other reason than the charger chip will only charge for max. 1 hr before shutting off without BME there11:40
PaliDocScrutinizer, do you know some small dhcp v6 client?11:40
eddybI wonder how many Amps my laptop can provide11:40
Palisomething for n90011:40
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robbiethe1steddyb, 500mA11:40
eddybrobbiethe1st: why can't it run like the beagleboard, without a battery?11:40
robbiethe1stCause it's not designed for it11:40
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eddybI don't think it would be that hard11:41
PaliI looked into extras repository, but there is none dhcp v6 client11:41
robbiethe1stYou could probably build a 3.5-4V power supply, hook it up to a dummy battery connector, replace the battery with that and it'd run fine11:41
DocScrutinizer51Pali: no, sorry11:41
DocScrutinizer51eddyb: it IS hard11:41
eddybI mean, the beagle-board, IIRC, can run on standard USB power from a computer11:42
DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st: nope, not that easy11:42
robbiethe1stwhy not?11:42
DocScrutinizer51you need extremely thick cables and a huge capacitor11:42
robbiethe1stfor 500mA or less? Capacitor, relatively large, yeah, but...11:43
eddybit could dim or even stop the damn backlit11:43
DocScrutinizer51impedance of "battery" has to be low, to level the surges from modem11:43
eddybI only need it to boot something from uboot with the battery taken out, so I can get some UART output11:43
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robbiethe1stJust make sure your switching PS unit is designed for very quick response and have a decent capacitor, run it at the high end of the voltage range...11:44
Paliis there any list of known dhcp v6 clients?11:44
eddybyou know what?11:45
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eddybwe need a battery extender11:45
DocScrutinizer51ooh, kerio already explained all this11:46
eddybthen again, it's gonna be hard to craft one11:46
eddyb(like, have the battery connected, but not directly)11:46
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DocScrutinizer51btw I run the device for several hours without battery ;-)11:48
infoboti heard hotswap is
DocScrutinizer51but that's not possible for booting, as NOLO will refuse to boot when battery missing11:49
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eddybI just realized my arduino "robot" has an infrared receiver12:10
eddybnow, if it's even the same wavelength as the N900, I don't know12:11
eddybit should be, since the N900 can work with remotes12:11
eddybI'm hoping one of the three UARTs is directly connected to the IR12:13
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eddybqard && qard upload # heh, this still works to build & upload my arduino projects. it's a hack I've done about an year ago13:45
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eddyb wow, that's pretty complicated for a freaking LED driver14:35
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non343can anyone help me with this? paste:
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joganon343 you human?15:03
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Hurriannoooope. ban time.15:09
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chem|stX-Fade: DocScrutinizer51 non343 ban pls15:10
non343can anyone help me with this? paste:
non343yes i am human15:12
chem|stnon343: ehrm it redirects to a bitcoin page...15:13
non343no it doesnt15:13
chem|stpls elaborate15:13
jacekowskinon343: stop spamming15:14
jacekowskinon343: and never come back15:14
jacekowskinon343: we hate people like you15:14
DocScrutinizer51the link is shit15:14
Hurrian>shorten links and earn bitcoins15:14
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Hurrianguise, dont click on it15:14
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* chem|st is searching for his banHAMMER but cannot find it, bets DocScrutinizer51 got it and never gave it back15:15
Hurrianalso, it links to reddit. you know the implications.15:15
DocScrutinizer51non343: please doublecheck before you paste links here15:15
vldcnstN900, never overclocked, seeing some weird video artefacts> - is my N900 dying?15:15
jacekowskivldcnst: try flashing it15:16
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DocScrutinizer51I'm willing to assume you plannewd to paste a shorted link to a page with your problem15:16
Hurrianvldcnst, disable WSEGL_HWSync=115:16
DocScrutinizer51don"t do that15:16
Hurriandisable smartreflex too15:16
vldcnstjacekowski: any reason for a reflash? I mean, any idea what caused this?15:16
non343no it doesnt15:16
non343can anyone help me with this? paste:
chem|stits a bot I guess15:17
DocScrutinizer51check your links before pasting! do not use short URLs15:17
chem|stno what is 4 plus 715:17
jacekowskiif it were up to me he would have ban by now15:17
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chem|stnon343: what is 4 plus 715:17
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DocScrutinizerwhat's the name?15:17
DocScrutinizernon343: you get banned15:18
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chem|stnon343: proper link or we assume you are a bot and you will be gone!15:18
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Hurrianvldcnst, do you have WSEGL_HWSync=1 and/or smartreflex enabled?15:19
DocScrutinizerdang, this was a gym15:19
Hurrianthose may occasionally cause that problem15:19
vldcnstHurrian: smartreflex is off, I don't know how to disable WSEGL (never touched that)15:19
Hurriandoes it persist after a reboot?15:19
DocScrutinizerlaptop stacked under and behind another machine15:19
vldcnstusually no, but lately yes.15:19
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chem|sta bad flexcable maybe15:19
Hurrianoccurs in the same place with same pattern?15:20
vldcnstYup, when starting an app15:20
vldcnstafter a reboot the pattern/place changes15:20
Hurrianah, it's probably video memory corruption.15:21
Hurrianit does happen to some N900s15:21
Hurrianwhat kernel are you on right now?15:21
vldcnstas far as I can tell, it only appears on the top menu bar15:22
Hurriannah, it happens with PNGs with alpha translucency15:23
Hurrianit can happen to the icons in the launcher too15:23
vldcnstany fix?15:23
Hurrianshutdown, pull battery for 5 mins, boot15:23
vldcnstlike I said, that used to work but lately it doesn't15:24
vldcnstor perhaps I'm unlucky15:24
Hurriankeep rebooting, it's a known bug.15:24
Hurriani'm pretty damn sure Nemo isn't affected15:24
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vldcnstcool, thanks15:26
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eddybthe minified link with that bitcoin thing minifier15:27
eddybwas reddit.com15:27
eddybnot an actual pastebin link15:27
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Hurrianeddyb, noticed that. it would be a good idea if nobody clicked on it, as that probably gives em monies15:28
* eddyb wonders if it can be abused to get bitcoins15:29
eddybI once managed to generate points on some site, but I found out it was fake afterwards15:30
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Sicelowhen do the community awards end?17:08
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chem|stSicelo: last week of june17:53
chem|stor did something change?17:53
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szopindoes anybody know which speed option in h-e-n would be suitable for flashing N900 with another one?18:27
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SiceloHIgh speed. don't mount18:29
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szopinenumerate after yellow light shows up?18:30
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Sicelonot sure, but sounds reasonable. you must, of course, have flasher ready18:33
szopinYeah, seems to work, but so far no suitable device found18:34
szopinmight need to switch batteries, doesn't want to boot up in flashing state18:34
eddybis there any way to get the UART TX pin from the pads under the battery, with the battery in place?18:35
eddybI can kinda get a wire from there, but it's not really staying on top of the pad when I place the battery back18:36
Sicelowin 2418:36
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Sicelowrong window18:37
szopinbit of cello tape maybe?18:38
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eddybszopin: not sure if I can get any kind of tape in there to hold the wire18:40
eddybI was thinking something waxy might be better18:40
szopinplacing the battery is very likely to move it18:40
szopinmaybe a tine piece of bluetack18:41
eddybyepp, is very sure to move it18:41
freemangordonPali, pong18:42
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eddybI need freaking nanotubes...18:46
szopinanyone has experience with wxWidgets on maemo?18:47
eddybI'll end up soldering this stuff without any tools18:52
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szopincello tape a tiny copper wire (without coating)?18:53
szopinjust so inserting battery will not move it18:53
eddybI don't have anything that tiny18:54
szopinjust cut some usual wire and pull one strand18:54
eddyband the pads are inset about 2mm, placing anything in there is hard18:54
eddybszopin: wait, what?18:55
szopinyeah, mcgyver would use matches, but...18:55
eddybthe battery is sitting on metal18:55
szopinoh, let me have another look18:55
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eddybI guess it wouldn't be that hard if that wasn't shielded :P18:55
szopinyeah, first coating of cello tape for isolation, then tiny wire, then second layer18:56
szopinstill doesn't guarantee you'll be connecting to the right one though18:56
eddybI know which pad is the one I want, the problem is fixating this18:57
szopinjust cover the other ones and place a wide end there18:57
Sicelocut a small plastic block to fill the whole space. make a hole in it at the right place &  get your wire in there18:58
Sicelothis will allow you to get more than one pin, if you wish19:02
eddybthat's why I need to get myself some tools and stuff19:05
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eddybnow, how can I read an USB tty at a certain bitrate?19:05
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szopin? those pins under battery are second usb???19:07
Sicelono. same as the other one19:08
eddyb1. the USB you can see is actually the fourth USB (and the only one that's dual-mode, the rest are host-only) 2. there's an UART TX pin under there19:08
Siceloexcept, iirc, they don't have protection19:08
eddyband I want to use my arduino board to read the serial output19:08
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)19:10
eddybfucking battery19:12
szopinare these there from testing times? you could maybe build a base around it, providing same voltage as battery and get clear access to those19:13
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eddybmaybe it's connected now19:20
eddybmaybe it's not, since I set the right baud and the laptop is still not receiving19:24
eddybI might go play minecraft, this is too annoying19:25
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fastaDoes Whatsapp for the n900 exist?19:58
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jogaso...maybe some day20:02
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vi_Jaffa: good afternoon20:36
vi_Is this relvent to our interests?20:36
vi_Also, how do I fsck rootfs?20:38
vi_WHERE is it?20:38
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NIN101does ubifs even have fsck?20:39
vi_NIN101: I do not know.  I am very ignorant about ubifs20:39
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Estel_vi_,  it dodesn't20:42
Estel_because it doesn't get fcked like ext20:43
Estel_if Your rootfs is corrupted, it's rather some file modified bny hand20:43
Estel_...wrong package20:43
Estel_or whatever20:43
Estel_generally, rootfs is super-prone to filesystem corruption20:44
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Estel_(but not to fcked file content, that why backupmenu backups help)20:44
Estel_eddyb,  little question20:44
Estel_if Youw know already - and You apparently know - that pads from beneath battery are same d+ and d- that main usb, why using those...20:45
Estel_instead of "regular" usb socket?20:45
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Estel_arduino connected to usb and ou want to debug something via laptop connected paralelly?20:46
eddybI'm not using the USB20:46
Estel_roger that20:46
Estel_but, be careful about uart20:46
Estel_it's super fragile re voltage applied20:47
eddybI need the UART output from the N90020:47
Estel_even 0.2 above desigbned voltage tends to fry it20:47
Estel_it's documented somewhere on wiki20:47
Estel_ok, two possible ways20:47
eddybnot the input, mind you20:47
Estel_less elegant, but super easy20:47
Estel_solder cable to pad. easy to solder and de-solder20:47
Estel_more elegant, require little effort:20:48
eddybbut don't bother, I dropped that already20:48
Estel_dissaseble some cheap battery, and usi it pins to make "extender" for battery20:48
Estel_You put extender only on N90020:48
eddybsome things are better left buried20:48
Estel_connected to any ion outside20:48
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Estel_I see.20:49
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Estel_btw what You wanted to do with that?20:49
Estel_I'm noob re uart on N90020:49
Estel_maybe it's worth pursuit, after all. what was the plan?20:49
eddybI wanted to get a defunct hobby OS project's kernel running on the N90020:49
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Estel_and why need uart for that?20:50
eddybthe build is meant for the original beagle-board, and the only output simple enough to not fail is the UART20:50
* vi_ fires up the popcorn machine.20:50
Estel_I see, somehow20:50
vi_You can never have to many OS s20:50
eddybit's the only debug option I have20:50
Estel_well, flashing it normally wouldn't work?20:50
eddybEstel_: I need the debug output20:51
Estel_as i said I don't know what uart does (yet)20:51
Estel_so, battery extender seems fine20:51
Estel_ultra cheap jtag cables for N90020:51
eddybit's serial I/O20:51
Estel_contain pins for our pads20:51
vi_I think the r00t|home user on this chanel put a logic analyser on the UART.20:52
Estel_just attaching mentioned "battry extender"* to it20:52
Estel_= fake battery20:52
vi_He s the one who figured out the pads under the battery20:52
Estel_(using real ion)20:52
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eddybI don't have the tools to solder/etc.20:52
Estel_jacekowski did some things with it too20:52
vi_eddyb: then you are pretty much fooked then20:52
Estel_no soldering iron, no fun :P20:52
Estel_although, still achievable without20:53
vi_eddyb: unless you can get hold of a super rare n900 developer harness.20:53
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eddybvi_: as I'm already in the "oh, screw it, working on a perfect OS is not my thing" state20:53
Estel_well, dissasembling cheap bl-5j can be done with bare hands20:53
Estel_then, tying wires around flat wires... :P20:53
Estel_mcgyver would be pleased20:53
Estel_not very reliable, though20:53
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Estel_aha! so wielkitost as iactually DOS!20:55
Estel_always suspected that20:55
Estel_since times of win 3.120:55
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Estel_I'm afraid to talk to him, as he can disco again.20:56
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jacekowskiit was me21:14
HRH_H_CrabEstel_: slightly offtopic question, but your wrt54gl, do you run openwrt on that?21:14
Estel_HRH_H_Crab,  currently, Tomato... I know openWRT got more possibilities and probably will switch one day21:18
HRH_H_Crabi just managed to "unbrick" mine this afternoon.21:18
HRH_H_Crabi actually think i just managed to tftp a firmware that worked.21:18
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HRH_H_Crabi think i need to build a custom firmware though, so it has some space for some cool stuff.21:18
Estel_one day will try OpenWRT with latest web based gui, as possibility for easy management *not*only for me via command line is essential21:19
HRH_H_Crabthats my next project.21:19
HRH_H_Crabthe gui is lovely.21:19
HRH_H_Crabjust means that there isnt much space21:19
Estel_HRH_H_Crab,  on wrt54GL You won't scavenge much space, soldering sd card or usb port is a must21:19
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Estel_well, I had 900 KB left from 4MB chip21:19
Estel_and tried 70 kb dircproxy21:19
HRH_H_Crabmaybe i should get a soldering iron and try that then.21:20
HRH_H_Crabbut im not really much of a hardware hacker.21:20
Estel_...but it turned out that, to work properly, I need 890 kb update ulibc :P21:20
Estel_HRH_H_Crab,  sd card mod is super easy21:20
HRH_H_Crabtbh though, if i can manage that,21:20
HRH_H_Crabi might use debian instead!21:20
Estel_usb too, but it require making (easysecondary board with few components added, so it's more complicated21:20
Estel_yea, but isn't debian overkill for hardware with 200 mhz and 16 mb ram!21:21
infobotEstel_ meant: yea, but isn't debian overkill for hardware with 200 mhz and 16 mb ram?21:21
Estel_openwrt with optware sounds like better suited21:21
infoboteddyb meant: lul21:21
infoboteddyb meant: s/o/o21:21
Estel_oho, eddyb discovered infobot's sed :P21:21
HRH_H_CrabEstel_: im running debian on my nslu2s...21:22
HRH_H_Crabthey arent much better21:22
Estel_sounds nice21:22
HRH_H_Crabworks very nicely indeed.21:22
infoboteddyb meant: s/u/u21:22
Estel_wait a second, I'll fire up desktops IRC21:22
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eddybdebian sucks for embedded21:22
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HRH_H_Crabthat sounds fun21:23
Estel_yea, but I'm afraid You will end up re-doing what optware did already, =21:25
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Estel_...stripping down packages to function properly21:25
Estel_and modifying them to suit specific WRT54gl use case21:25
Estel_something like using debian apckage son N900 and modyfing it to fit gui/hardware ;)21:25
Estel_if someone did it already, why to re-do it21:26
Estel_that why i preffe rusing optware21:26
Estel_BTw, have You used tomato on wrt54gl? how do you compare it with optware re gui-only management?21:26
HRH_H_Crabive not used tomato21:26
Estel_I see21:26
Estel_well, tomato is, generally, gui only (is use temrinal via ssh and can do things from there, but...)21:26
HRH_H_Crabwhen i did use my wrt54gl i only used it as a switch / wireless ap21:26
HRH_H_Crabits long since been replaced by an airport21:27
Estel_so I would happily switch to openwrt with gui, so family cna use guii21:27
infobotEstel_ meant: so I would happily switch to openwrt with gui, so family cna use gui21:27
HRH_H_Crabi used to configure it by commandline21:27
Estel_and me also, when need to do something fast... And tyerminal for real stuff21:27
HRH_H_Crabi wanted to use ipv6 since im lucky enough to have native ipv6 at home,21:27
HRH_H_Craband i wanted a 2.6 kernel21:27
HRH_H_Crabi found that that made the wrt54gl unstable21:27
Estel_I see. Well, tomato also have 2.6 kernel:p21:27
HRH_H_Crabit would reboot after a few days21:27
Estel_well, I use wrt54gl as main home router/AP21:28
HRH_H_Crabso the first thing i did was disable luci (the web gui) and uhttpd21:28
HRH_H_Crabin the hope that that would make it a bit more stable and id manage a week of uptime...21:28
Estel_luci amd eit unstable?0_o21:28
HRH_H_Crabit never did.21:28
HRH_H_Crabi dont think the web interface had anything to do with it.21:28
HRH_H_Crabi think 2.6 is dodgy on openwrt21:28
Estel_well, My wrt54gl with tomato *never* ever reboot on it's own. During so many years usage21:28
HRH_H_Crabim sure ive read somewhere that if you want stability stick to 2.421:28
Estel_I use 2.4...21:29
HRH_H_Crabi think this is the key.21:29
Estel_so can't say about stability with openwrt21:29
Estel_about stability with tomato and 2.621:29
Estel_but but, I haven't seen complains about tomato and 2.621:29
HRH_H_Crabi think with the 2.4 openwrt you should (hopefully) enjoy the same stability you enjoy with tomato.21:29
Estel_and can't belive that openwrt would be inferior21:29
Estel_BTW, how much jffs space You've left with openwrt?21:30
kwtmHi. How do I change the $HOSTNAME on my N900? I have two and don't want them clashing21:30
Estel_(with luci)21:30
HRH_H_Crabi think ive got about 740k21:30
Estel_with 2.6 kernel?21:30
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Estel_it should be more with 2.421:30
Estel_as for soldering card, just be sure to find proper tutorial for wrt54gl, and You'll be fine21:31
Estel_it's a matter fo soldering few cables21:31
Estel_anyway, You mayw ant to add sd card reade (only part that hold card, actually) or use floppy disk flex21:32
Estel_it's prot have same pin overlay as sd card21:32
Estel_= you can stick sd card to floppy flex plug :p21:32
HRH_H_CrabEstel_: hang on21:32
HRH_H_Crablet me boot it21:32
Estel_and use same cables21:32
HRH_H_Craband i will tell you exactly...21:32
* Estel_ nods21:32
kwtmwups, I should say how do I change the result of  $(uname -n)  ?21:34
Estel_kwtm, device name in bluetooth settings21:35
Estel_changing it change that AFAIK21:35
Estel_HRH_H_Crab, BTw, how You debricked it?21:35
Estel_using jtag?21:35
kwtmEstel_: Thx21:36
kwtmEstel_: Takes effect after reboot, I guess?21:37
HRH_H_CrabFree space: 77% (740.00 KB)21:38
HRH_H_CrabEstel_: no21:38
HRH_H_Crabim not sure if i ever bricked it21:38
HRH_H_Crabi tried upgrading the firmware from the commandline21:38
HRH_H_Crabto the latest version of trunk21:38
HRH_H_Craband after it rebooted i couldnt do anything with it.21:38
HRH_H_Crabanyway, i left it for a month or so21:39
HRH_H_Craband today i thought i would have a play and i realised this time i could suddenly ping it.21:39
HRH_H_Crabso i just farted around tftping various firmwares.21:39
HRH_H_Crabi just made sure the thing was unplugged,21:39
HRH_H_Crabtftp to
HRH_H_Crabmode to binary21:39
HRH_H_Craband then "put <firmware>"21:40
HRH_H_Crabofc that failed as the router wasnt on21:40
HRH_H_Crabbut then i turned it on21:40
HRH_H_Craband kept hammering away until it accepted it21:40
HRH_H_Crabwaited for it to reboot and i was in21:40
HRH_H_Crabbut i had to go back to 2.421:40
HRH_H_Crabwith a stable firmware21:40
HRH_H_Crabthen i upgraded to the 2.6 from luci21:41
HRH_H_Crabsomething strange has happened though21:41
HRH_H_Crabwhen i was playing earlier im sure the dmz light was on21:41
HRH_H_Craband ssh was working21:41
HRH_H_Crabjust now i rebooted and tried to ssh and it wouldnt accept the connection21:42
HRH_H_Craband dmz lamp was off21:42
HRH_H_Crabi thought it was bricked again21:42
HRH_H_Crabbut luci is working21:42
HRH_H_Crabso maybe mine is a bit "sick"21:42
Estel_when i bought mine, it was flashed with openwrt, during times when there was no luci21:44
Estel_and i flashed it via telnet21:44
Estel_but it isn't debricking, literally21:45
Estel_maybe sometihng is disabled re Your ssh?21:45
Estel_and possible to enable it via luci?21:45
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HRH_H_Crabluci thinks its running.21:47
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eddybEstel_: O21:49
eddybI'm such a fucking idiot21:49
Estel_don't tell like that, it's DocScrutinizer specialisation ;)21:50
Estel_HRh, hm21:50
eddybI didn't connect GND to my USB2serial thing21:50
eddybonly the signal line21:50
Estel_eddyb, :D21:50
HRH_H_CrabEstel_: im flashin again21:50
eddybno wonders it wasn't catching anything21:50
HRH_H_Crabthis is the beauty of this thin21:50
HRH_H_Crabits just a toy to me.21:50
Estel_eddyb, see, told ya it's worth further pursuit :P21:51
HRH_H_Crabi can just mess with it.21:51
eddybman, and I had the wire fixed in there, and I took it out21:51
Estel_HRH_H_Crab, nice :)21:51
HRH_H_Crabworse case scenario a fancy blue paperweight with devil horns21:51
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HRH_H_Crabroot@OpenWrt:~# uname -a21:54
HRH_H_CrabLinux OpenWrt #5 Wed Dec 21 05:56:26 CET 2011 mips GNU/Linux21:54
HRH_H_Craboh well21:54
HRH_H_Crabthat fixed it...21:54
HRH_H_Crab(for the moment)21:54
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Estel_nice :)21:59
Estel_BTW, wrt54gl is kinda "unbrickable"22:00
Estel_i.e. until you actuallym fry it...22:00
Estel_it never becomes paperweight22:00
Estel_and it's hard to fry it even using overclocking to 300 mhz (50%)22:00
Estel_as it just shut down gently22:00
Estel_BTW, if You ever need it, overlcocking to 250 mhz is super safe22:01
Estel_and, after all, 1/4 more power22:01
Estel_(in case you want debian there)22:01
jacekowskiwhy would you want to run debian on an AP22:01
Estel_jacekowski, canuse then, it's 20$ (with tax) full-fledged computer :P22:04
jacekowskican it run xbmc?22:04
Estel_as I said, i think openwrt and optware is more than enough22:04
Estel_AFAIk it can run everything, it's pure linux22:04
Estel_2.6 kernel (or 2.4, whatever you feel fancy)22:04
jacekowskidoes it have enough processing power to run xbmc?22:04
jacekowskiand ram22:04
jacekowskiand hdmi out22:04
Estel_no idea about xbmc, but people turn it to media copntrolling thing easily22:04
Estel_seriously, xbmc is bloated as hell22:05
eddybEstel_: why does everyone around me have to push me back on track? I can't fail miserably without my gf proving to me that I'm not a retard22:05
Estel_if You girlfriend tell You to keep connectint cable to N900's uart...22:05
Estel_then consider yourself lucky one.22:05
Estel_controlling outside's electornic via serial ports seems nice.22:06
Estel_gonna maker touter with legs that will make me cofee, some day ;)22:06
luke-jrew WRT54GL22:06
infobotEstel_ meant: gonna maker router with legs that will make me cofee, some day ;)22:06
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Estel_say what You want, I bet first robot with personality will be made using wrt54* design22:07
luke-jrRaspberry Pi is cheaper and better IMO22:07
Estel_...and will shake it's antennas upon seeing You coming back home, due to hapinness22:07
Estel_luke-jr, raspberry pi isn't cheaper22:07
Estel_but for many things of course it's better suited22:07
Estel_i.e. xbmc mentione dby jacekowski22:07
Estel_but, for things related to being AP - obviously - wrt54gl is much better suited and cheaper, of course22:08
luke-jrexcept for it only running an ancient non-free fork of Linux22:08
luke-jrand 802.11g only22:08
luke-jrmight as well just spend $67 on a nice WZR-HP-G300NH22:08
Estel_802.11n isn't usable for anything except jamming Your neighborn wifi, lol22:08
Estel_..due to occupying 40 mhz wide channels22:09
Estel_and wrt54gl run free linux for ages22:09
luke-jrmore memory and flash are handy still22:09
Estel_of course.22:09
luke-jrEstel_: oh? news to me22:09
Estel_although, its possible to - without rocket science - solder more memory22:09
Estel_not feasible, IMO22:09
Estel_luke-jr, see openwrt22:09
luke-jrOpenwrt still used 2.4 blobs on WRT54G last I checked22:10
Estel_everything uses blobs ;)22:10
Estel_raspberry pi too.22:10
Estel_BTW, 2.6 kernel is also available on wrt54g*22:10
Estel_raspberry pi have blobs for graphic and such, wrt54gl have blobs for some broadcom thing... no surprise, sadly. At leats wrt54g* blobs play vnicely with open things22:11
luke-jrWZR doesn't use blobs22:11
Estel_sounds interesting22:11
luke-jrit ships with DD-Wrt too22:11
Estel_anyway, wrt54g* can be bought for really, really, *really* cheap, and if You don't need fancy things and/or want to solder them Yourself... thats why most robots made of AP's are using wrt54g*22:11
Estel_dd-wrt is more non-free, lol22:12
luke-jrI run Openwrt on it :p22:12
Estel_after all, it's using free and non-free version22:12
Estel_openwrt kick ass.22:12
luke-jrstill, shipping DD-Wrt is a big step forward22:12
Estel_of course22:12
Estel_anyway, for now, i plan to run irc bouncer on my reliable router'ish friend22:13
Estel_+, probably, some more things, when need arise22:13
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* luke-jr should make use of the USB port somehow22:15
HRH_H_Crabi got a firmware from trunk working22:17
HRH_H_CrabLinux OpenWrt 3.3.7 #1 Sun Jun 3 07:47:24 PDT 2012 mips GNU/Linux22:17
HRH_H_Crabthis has no luci though22:17
HRH_H_Crabbuilt today22:18
luke-jr♥ MIPS22:19
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HRH_H_Crabanyway, thats enough playing.22:19
HRH_H_Crabtime for some cooking,22:19
Estel_bon apetit :)22:20
HRH_H_Crabi think my next move will be to make a custom firmware, even if its just to play with the sdk and figure out how it works.22:20
Estel_good idea.22:20
Estel_ncie illustrated guide to sd mod22:21
Estel_and serial console mod22:21
Estel_if You want to solder card, I recommend following this one22:21
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HRH_H_Crabit looks way too hardcore for me, but i might just give it ago.22:21
HRH_H_Crabafter all i can afford to kill it.22:22
HRH_H_Crabits not like i need it for anything.22:22
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Paliping Estel22:24
Estel_Pali, pong22:24
Estel_HRH_H_Crab, firts part is serial itnerfac,e You can skip to sd card section, which isn't hardcore at all22:25
Estel_it's easier than soldering down N900's usb port22:25
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PaliEstel, I have one question for you as council member: I have working ipv6 support in maemo5. it is in icd2 daemon - so the best solution. But it needs closed source nokia ipv6 icd2 plugin from maemo4. This package is here: but is not redistributable. Can you ask somebody if could be this packages pushed to Fremantle Extras?22:26
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Paliproper ipv6 support (with dhcpv6) in maemo5 for wlan is very usefull22:27
Paliand this is blocker22:27
Paliall other ipv6 packages in diablo are open source so it can be pushed to extras without problem22:28
Estel_Pali, of course I'll be honored to ask qgil about it, but, AFAIK, you can redistribute it for fremantle even now...22:28
Estel_using same exception as freemangordon with dsp from harmattan on N90022:28
PaliI want to push that package to fremantle extras22:28
Estel_i.e. "allowance to use closed Nokia bits, if for benefit of Nokia devices users"22:28
Estel_I'm absolutely, definitely sure, that it's allowed following mentioned exception, but of course, I can also ask22:29
Paliok, better ask :-)22:29
luke-jrPali: DHCPv6? who uses that?22:29
Paliluke-jr, that nokia plugin support static ip address and dhcp too22:30
luke-jrPali: why not autodiscovery?22:30
PaliI do not want to disassemble that plugin :-)22:31
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luke-jralso, IPv6 works fine in Maemo 5 with the IPv6 extensions already O.o22:32
Paliluke-jr, but it is not integrated into icd222:33
Palior yes?22:33
luke-jrPali: yes?22:33
Paliand which extensions?22:33
luke-jrI just pick the IPv6 network from the connection manager22:34
luke-jr iirc22:34
luke-jrhmm no, that's older22:34
Palibut that needs to edit /etc/resolv.conf22:35
Paliand on n900 is on localhost dnsmasq22:35
Paliand this is only for GSM/3G22:40
Paliluke-jr, I already looked at code of both projects, but I decided to copy exising ipv6 binaries from diablo, beucase it is better solution22:41
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luke-jradmittedly, I don't know how DNS discovery works on Wifi right now\22:51
luke-jrbut it seems a shame to go back to the drawing board even if that is broken22:51
orangeyhey all22:51
orangeydoes syncevolution by chance do a single ICS file?22:51
orangeyhmm. Also, where is it that I can play with things that load after the desktop starts?22:52
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orangeyaha event.d22:54
orangeythank you grep -r22:54
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Estel_luke-jr, it seems that on wrt54g* and many others, there are no blobs for wifi, currently23:36
Estel_"Before the introduction of OpenWrt 8.09, using Linux 2.6.25, and the b43 kernel module, WLAN for many Broadcom-based routers was only available through the proprietary wl.o module that was also only provided for Linux 2.4."23:36
Estel_it seems that b43 takes care of it - RE'ed probably23:36
Estel_only for kernel 2.6 AFAIK23:37
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vi__DocScrutinizer: good evening.23:50
vi__may I ask a question?23:51
vi__what write speed shoul I expect to achieve when:23:52
vi__dd count=2 bs=10M if=/dev/urandom of=/opt/test23:52
vi__I am seeing 1.4MB/S23:52
vi__is this to be considered normal?23:53
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DocScrutinizer51use /dev/zero and see if it makes a difference23:56
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vi__yes it does, 7.1MB/s23:58
DocScrutinizer51also aiui a bs=10M will result in *massive* ram demand of dd, so other stuff needs to get swapped out... to same storage as /opt23:58

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