IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-06-03

Estel_	hey, little question	00:04
Estel_	I've some program in /opt/bin	00:04
Estel_	I know it's sitting there, as it should	00:04
Estel_	PATH is properly exported	00:04
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Estel_	I also see my program while using autocomplete via tab	00:05
Estel_	yet, when I run it, I see	00:05
Estel_	-sh: dircproxy: not found	00:05
Estel_	what the hell? something still missing from path?	00:05
Estel_	I'm logged as root on router, then /opt/bin is added to PATH properly	00:06
Estel_	wtf?	00:06
merlin1991	+x ?	00:07
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer51: yes	00:11
DocScrutinizer51	chem\|st: ?	00:13
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer51: messing with cryptdisk	00:25
DocScrutinizer51	aah	00:26
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer51: btw the answere to 16GB RAM hibernation is a RAM - Cache - buffers sized swap	00:28
DocScrutinizer51	sure	00:29
DocScrutinizer51	and mine is only 2GB while RAM are 8GB	00:29
DocScrutinizer51	btw this equation is correct only as long as no swao already used	00:29
DocScrutinizer51	swap*	00:29
chem\|st	for a "normal" system a healthy swap is like 4-6GB, I have 9.5GB but I have no usual system... with iceweasel and 2 terminals I have 3GB used...	00:30
DocScrutinizer51	and I already thought WTF when the installer of this distro suggested this partitioning	00:30
chem\|st	your new notebook?	00:31
DocScrutinizer51	I might need to repartition	00:31
DocScrutinizer51	yep	00:31
chem\|st	well my netbooks swap is 2GB aswel	00:31
chem\|st	l	00:31
chem\|st	cannot hibernate my desktop if swaps lower than 4GB though	00:32
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chem\|st	xmas I had to break my 340 days uptime for a damn kernel upgrade...	00:33
chem\|st	netbook this is	00:33
Estel_	merlin1991, no, it's +x already	00:38
Estel_	without it, it would say "permission denied"	00:39
Estel_	merlin1991, it turned out that - probably uclibc is incompatible	00:39
Estel_	could install update one, but it's 800 kb, and I have 700 kb free in jffs2 total :p	00:39
Estel_	... and I wanted to only run 70 kb dircproxy :P	00:40
Estel_	could compile it staticaly, or	00:40
Estel_	take my soldering iron and finally do SD card mod to my wrt54GL	00:40
Estel_	then drop here 1 or 2 GB Sd card and say gtfo to space constrains	00:41
Estel_	... and run LibreOffice from my router :P	00:41
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LaoLang_cool	Does busybox have vi mode?	02:53
psychologe	yes	02:53
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SpeedEvil	vi is one of the modules it may have	02:54
SpeedEvil	I have one system without even 'ls' in busybox.	02:55
psychologe	without ls ?you can copy easy debian "ls " to maemo,it can work to	02:56
LaoLang_cool	SpeedEvil, I mean vi mode, not vi app itself	02:57
SpeedEvil	not maemo.	02:57
SpeedEvil	ah	02:57
LaoLang_cool	In other shell, set -o vi can enable it	02:57
LaoLang_cool	But it doesn't work in busybox	02:57
chem\|st	LaoLang_cool: how about installing bash?	02:58
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LaoLang_cool	chem\|st, doens't want another shell, busybox is good enough	02:58
chem\|st	well I want what I am used to	02:59
SpeedEvil	Some MIPS thing with 6M of RAM, and 2.6.8 kernel.	02:59
LaoLang_cool	chem\|st, :)	02:59
chem\|st	^^	03:00
psychologe	someday ago,i use apt-get upgrade some app and lib, after my phone can't reboot...	03:02
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luke-jr	Estel_: wait, are you on the Council?	03:22
GeneralAntilles	luke-jr, yes.	03:23
GeneralAntilles	Also: Hi.	03:23
luke-jr	hi	03:23
luke-jr	meh, that means I need to actually care what he thinks :/	03:23
GeneralAntilles	Tread carefully! ;)	03:23
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: well, he was stressing the importance of dummy-friendly documentation earlier <.<	03:25
luke-jr	for Gentoo/N900	03:25
GeneralAntilles	You'd figure that userbase would have more than enough self-selection.	03:28
Hurrian	luke-jr, isn't emerging from source incredibly slow on gentoo?	03:28
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luke-jr	Hurrian: I let it update overnight. Plus I provide binaries.	03:29
Hurrian	ah.	03:29
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: yeah, I do. but if the Council is judging based on docs, I may have a problem XD	03:29
Hurrian	anyways, what have you got working?	03:29
GeneralAntilles	Well, then, doc up! ;)	03:30
Hurrian	if it's gentoo-specific, i may be able to fix up the documentation to be distro-agnostic	03:30
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: yeah, just… I'd rather spend the time actually doing something :P	03:30
luke-jr	Hurrian: well, the thing is I don't have anything documented right now	03:31
GeneralAntilles	Don't denigrate the technical writing, you fiend! :P	03:31
* GeneralAntilles polishes his Wiki Star.		03:31
Hurrian	ah.	03:31
Hurrian	iirc you said you had most hardware working?	03:31
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: in that context, it'd be better for someone skilled in technical writing (ie, not me) to do it <.<	03:31
luke-jr	Hurrian: the core hardware, at least	03:31
luke-jr	http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-May/005339.html <-- most detailed status :p	03:32
luke-jr	hmm	03:32
luke-jr	I thought i went into more detail there	03:32
Hurrian	luke-jr, i assume that means core system + watchdog program + maemo/mer kernel	03:32
luke-jr	Hurrian: + GPRS with network integration	03:33
luke-jr	+ SMS	03:33
luke-jr	+ KDE	03:33
luke-jr	cameras	03:33
Hurrian	nice, nice.	03:33
luke-jr	audio out works, but not safe yet (need a highpass filter finished)	03:33
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Hurrian	the cameras need a special insmod sequence to register the v4l2 device, right?	03:34
luke-jr	I don't think so O.o	03:34
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luke-jr	I'm mostly focussed on getting voice calls going (with an ALSA driver for the phone audio), but I'm pretty sure when I did cameras they just showed up on boot	03:34
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* luke-jr ponders if he can/should throw the Gentoo docs on the Maemo wiki <.<		03:36
luke-jr	Gitorious wiki kinda sucks	03:37
Hurrian	definitely interesting work towards building a linux desktop base system config.	03:37
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kwtm	I agree!	08:43
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eddyb	N900	11:19
eddyb	Y U NO LET ME RUN ON USB-ONLY?	11:19
kerio	cuz it's not possible	11:19
kerio	tx bursts can take 2As, the fastcharger gives at most 1.1	11:20
eddyb	what tx bursts?	11:20
kerio	gsm/umts radio	11:20
eddyb	I don't care about that, put it in offline mode	11:21
kerio	then it kinda works	11:21
kerio	ish	11:21
kerio	stop the bme	11:21
eddyb	why isn't it working in uboot?	11:22
eddyb	I'm pretty sure that doesn't use 3G for anything trollface	11:23
eddyb	kerio: with bluetooth/*G/wifi disabled with an applet, it now takes a second to shut down after switching to USB	11:25
eddyb	kerio: oh, I was browsing on the wiki, and I now know what BME is /facepalm	11:26
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eddyb	the N900 is annoying	11:32
eddyb	so, if it's off, I can't really boot it when it's charging, it vibrates every minute, and if it's connected to the laptop, I can see that when it vibrates, it enables a strange "firmware update" device for a couple of seconds	11:33
robbiethe1st	Something's screwy with it	11:35
robbiethe1st	It's in a boot-loop when in charging-mode	11:35
robbiethe1st	it /should/ vibrate, show a dark nokia logo, and then appear to be off for the remainder of the charging period	11:35
eddyb	it somehow manages to do that in a loop	11:36
robbiethe1st	Yeah, sounds like a crash to me; something like DSME rebooting the machine when in that mode	11:36
eddyb	kerio: offline-mode, no bme, and without battery: works fine for about ten seconds, then the screen fades out, the backlight is still on, the led is constant orange, and it doesn't look like anything is running	11:37
eddyb	:(	11:37
robbiethe1st	Turn off the screen before removing the battery?	11:38
eddyb	oh, so that's another power-whore?	11:38
eddyb	damn	11:38
robbiethe1st	Well, the backlight certainly is	11:38
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robbiethe1st	It's like... more than any other component	11:39
eddyb	damn cheap charger	11:39
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robbiethe1st	Either way, charging with no battery should be only for use while swapping out the battery, not for running	11:39
robbiethe1st	If for no other reason than the charger chip will only charge for max. 1 hr before shutting off without BME there	11:40
Pali	DocScrutinizer, do you know some small dhcp v6 client?	11:40
eddyb	I wonder how many Amps my laptop can provide	11:40
Pali	something for n900	11:40
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robbiethe1st	eddyb, 500mA	11:40
eddyb	robbiethe1st: why can't it run like the beagleboard, without a battery?	11:40
robbiethe1st	Cause it's not designed for it	11:40
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eddyb	I don't think it would be that hard	11:41
Pali	I looked into extras repository, but there is none dhcp v6 client	11:41
robbiethe1st	You could probably build a 3.5-4V power supply, hook it up to a dummy battery connector, replace the battery with that and it'd run fine	11:41
DocScrutinizer51	Pali: no, sorry	11:41
DocScrutinizer51	eddyb: it IS hard	11:41
eddyb	I mean, the beagle-board, IIRC, can run on standard USB power from a computer	11:42
DocScrutinizer51	robbiethe1st: nope, not that easy	11:42
robbiethe1st	why not?	11:42
DocScrutinizer51	you need extremely thick cables and a huge capacitor	11:42
robbiethe1st	for 500mA or less? Capacitor, relatively large, yeah, but...	11:43
eddyb	it could dim or even stop the damn backlit	11:43
DocScrutinizer51	impedance of "battery" has to be low, to level the surges from modem	11:43
eddyb	I only need it to boot something from uboot with the battery taken out, so I can get some UART output	11:43
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robbiethe1st	Just make sure your switching PS unit is designed for very quick response and have a decent capacitor, run it at the high end of the voltage range...	11:44
Pali	is there any list of known dhcp v6 clients?	11:44
eddyb	you know what?	11:45
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eddyb	we need a battery extender	11:45
DocScrutinizer51	ooh, kerio already explained all this	11:46
eddyb	then again, it's gonna be hard to craft one	11:46
eddyb	(like, have the battery connected, but not directly)	11:46
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DocScrutinizer51	btw I run the device for several hours without battery ;-)	11:48
DocScrutinizer51	~hotswap	11:49
infobot	i heard hotswap is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734	11:49
DocScrutinizer51	but that's not possible for booting, as NOLO will refuse to boot when battery missing	11:49
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eddyb	mkay	12:10
eddyb	I just realized my arduino "robot" has an infrared receiver	12:10
eddyb	now, if it's even the same wavelength as the N900, I don't know	12:11
eddyb	it should be, since the N900 can work with remotes	12:11
eddyb	I'm hoping one of the three UARTs is directly connected to the IR	12:13
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eddyb	qard && qard upload # heh, this still works to build & upload my arduino projects. it's a hack I've done about an year ago	13:45
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eddyb	http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lp5523.pdf wow, that's pretty complicated for a freaking LED driver	14:35
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non343	can anyone help me with this? paste: http://cur.lv/jao	14:58
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joga	...	15:03
joga	non343 you human?	15:03
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Hurrian	>redirects	15:09
Hurrian	noooope. ban time.	15:09
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chem\|st	X-Fade: DocScrutinizer51 non343 ban pls	15:10
DocScrutinizer51	hm?	15:12
non343	can anyone help me with this? paste: http://cur.lv/jao	15:12
non343	yes i am human	15:12
chem\|st	non343: ehrm it redirects to a bitcoin page...	15:13
non343	no it doesnt	15:13
chem\|st	pls elaborate	15:13
jacekowski	non343: stop spamming	15:14
jacekowski	non343: and never come back	15:14
jacekowski	non343: we hate people like you	15:14
DocScrutinizer51	the link is shit	15:14
Hurrian	>shorten links and earn bitcoins	15:14
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Hurrian	guise, dont click on it	15:14
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* chem\|st is searching for his banHAMMER but cannot find it, bets DocScrutinizer51 got it and never gave it back		15:15
Hurrian	also, it links to reddit. you know the implications.	15:15
DocScrutinizer51	non343: please doublecheck before you paste links here	15:15
vldcnst	N900, never overclocked, seeing some weird video artefacts> http://cdn-static.com/i/HytjYKhO.png - is my N900 dying?	15:15
jacekowski	vldcnst: try flashing it	15:16
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DocScrutinizer51	I'm willing to assume you plannewd to paste a shorted link to a page with your problem	15:16
Hurrian	vldcnst, disable WSEGL_HWSync=1	15:16
DocScrutinizer51	don"t do that	15:16
Hurrian	disable smartreflex too	15:16
vldcnst	jacekowski: any reason for a reflash? I mean, any idea what caused this?	15:16
non343	no it doesnt	15:16
non343	can anyone help me with this? paste: http://cur.lv/jao	15:16
chem\|st	its a bot I guess	15:17
DocScrutinizer51	check your links before pasting! do not use short URLs	15:17
DocScrutinizer51	damn	15:17
chem\|st	no what is 4 plus 7	15:17
jacekowski	if it were up to me he would have ban by now	15:17
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chem\|st	non343: what is 4 plus 7	15:17
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DocScrutinizer	what's the name?	15:17
chem\|st	non343	15:18
non343	11	15:18
DocScrutinizer	non343: you get banned	15:18
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chem\|st	non343: proper link or we assume you are a bot and you will be gone!	15:18
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Hurrian	vldcnst, do you have WSEGL_HWSync=1 and/or smartreflex enabled?	15:19
DocScrutinizer	dang, this was a gym	15:19
Hurrian	those may occasionally cause that problem	15:19
vldcnst	Hurrian: smartreflex is off, I don't know how to disable WSEGL (never touched that)	15:19
Hurrian	ah	15:19
Hurrian	does it persist after a reboot?	15:19
DocScrutinizer	laptop stacked under and behind another machine	15:19
vldcnst	usually no, but lately yes.	15:19
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chem\|st	a bad flexcable maybe	15:19
Hurrian	occurs in the same place with same pattern?	15:20
vldcnst	Yup, when starting an app	15:20
vldcnst	after a reboot the pattern/place changes	15:20
Hurrian	ah, it's probably video memory corruption.	15:21
Hurrian	it does happen to some N900s	15:21
Hurrian	what kernel are you on right now?	15:21
vldcnst	power50	15:21
vldcnst	as far as I can tell, it only appears on the top menu bar	15:22
Hurrian	nah, it happens with PNGs with alpha translucency	15:23
vldcnst	oh.	15:23
Hurrian	it can happen to the icons in the launcher too	15:23
vldcnst	any fix?	15:23
Hurrian	shutdown, pull battery for 5 mins, boot	15:23
vldcnst	like I said, that used to work but lately it doesn't	15:24
vldcnst	or perhaps I'm unlucky	15:24
Hurrian	keep rebooting, it's a known bug.	15:24
Hurrian	i'm pretty damn sure Nemo isn't affected	15:24
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vldcnst	cool, thanks	15:26
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eddyb	btw	15:27
eddyb	the minified link with that bitcoin thing minifier	15:27
eddyb	was reddit.com	15:27
eddyb	not an actual pastebin link	15:27
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Hurrian	eddyb, noticed that. it would be a good idea if nobody clicked on it, as that probably gives em monies	15:28
* eddyb wonders if it can be abused to get bitcoins		15:29
eddyb	I once managed to generate points on some site, but I found out it was fake afterwards	15:30
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Sicelo	when do the community awards end?	17:08
pronto	tomorrow	17:10
Sicelo	great	17:10
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DocScrutinizer51	\o/	17:17
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chem\|st	Sicelo: last week of june	17:53
chem\|st	or did something change?	17:53
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szopin	does anybody know which speed option in h-e-n would be suitable for flashing N900 with another one?	18:27
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Sicelo	HIgh speed. don't mount	18:29
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szopin	thanks	18:29
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szopin	enumerate after yellow light shows up?	18:30
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Sicelo	not sure, but sounds reasonable. you must, of course, have flasher ready	18:33
szopin	Yeah, seems to work, but so far no suitable device found	18:34
eddyb	so...	18:34
szopin	might need to switch batteries, doesn't want to boot up in flashing state	18:34
eddyb	is there any way to get the UART TX pin from the pads under the battery, with the battery in place?	18:35
eddyb	I can kinda get a wire from there, but it's not really staying on top of the pad when I place the battery back	18:36
Sicelo	win 24	18:36
eddyb	?	18:36
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Sicelo	wrong window	18:37
szopin	bit of cello tape maybe?	18:38
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eddyb	szopin: not sure if I can get any kind of tape in there to hold the wire	18:40
eddyb	I was thinking something waxy might be better	18:40
szopin	placing the battery is very likely to move it	18:40
szopin	maybe a tine piece of bluetack	18:41
eddyb	yepp, is very sure to move it	18:41
szopin	tiny*	18:41
freemangordon	Pali, pong	18:42
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eddyb	I need freaking nanotubes...	18:46
szopin	anyone has experience with wxWidgets on maemo?	18:47
eddyb	I'll end up soldering this stuff without any tools	18:52
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szopin	cello tape a tiny copper wire (without coating)?	18:53
szopin	just so inserting battery will not move it	18:53
eddyb	I don't have anything that tiny	18:54
szopin	just cut some usual wire and pull one strand	18:54
eddyb	and the pads are inset about 2mm, placing anything in there is hard	18:54
eddyb	szopin: wait, what?	18:55
szopin	yeah, mcgyver would use matches, but...	18:55
eddyb	the battery is sitting on metal	18:55
szopin	oh, let me have another look	18:55
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eddyb	I guess it wouldn't be that hard if that wasn't shielded :P	18:55
szopin	yeah, first coating of cello tape for isolation, then tiny wire, then second layer	18:56
szopin	still doesn't guarantee you'll be connecting to the right one though	18:56
eddyb	I know which pad is the one I want, the problem is fixating this	18:57
szopin	just cover the other ones and place a wide end there	18:57
Sicelo	cut a small plastic block to fill the whole space. make a hole in it at the right place & get your wire in there	18:58
Sicelo	:\	18:58
szopin	:)	18:58
Sicelo	this will allow you to get more than one pin, if you wish	19:02
eddyb	that's why I need to get myself some tools and stuff	19:05
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eddyb	now, how can I read an USB tty at a certain bitrate?	19:05
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szopin	? those pins under battery are second usb???	19:07
Sicelo	no. same as the other one	19:08
eddyb	1. the USB you can see is actually the fourth USB (and the only one that's dual-mode, the rest are host-only) 2. there's an UART TX pin under there	19:08
Sicelo	except, iirc, they don't have protection	19:08
eddyb	and I want to use my arduino board to read the serial output	19:08
Sicelo	hmm	19:09
szopin	nice	19:09
Sicelo	~usb-fix	19:09
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and NEVER use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)	19:10
eddyb	fucking battery	19:12
szopin	are these there from testing times? you could maybe build a base around it, providing same voltage as battery and get clear access to those	19:13
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eddyb	maybe it's connected now	19:20
szopin	gl	19:21
eddyb	maybe it's not, since I set the right baud and the laptop is still not receiving	19:24
eddyb	:(	19:24
eddyb	I might go play minecraft, this is too annoying	19:25
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fasta	Does Whatsapp for the n900 exist?	19:58
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Sicelo	No	20:00
joga	http://blog.gsmarena.com/unofficial-whatsapp-for-nokia-n9-and-n900-in-the-works/	20:00
joga	so...maybe some day	20:02
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vi_	Jaffa: good afternoon	20:36
vi_	Is this relvent to our interests?	20:36
vi_	http://linux-howto-guide.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/increase-usb-flash-drive-write-speed.html	20:36
vi_	Also, how do I fsck rootfs?	20:38
vi_	...	20:38
vi_	WHERE is it?	20:38
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NIN101	does ubifs even have fsck?	20:39
eddyb	ubi?	20:39
vi_	NIN101: I do not know. I am very ignorant about ubifs	20:39
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Estel_	vi_, it dodesn't	20:42
Estel_	because it doesn't get fcked like ext	20:43
Estel_	if Your rootfs is corrupted, it's rather some file modified bny hand	20:43
Estel_	...wrong package	20:43
Estel_	or whatever	20:43
Estel_	generally, rootfs is super-prone to filesystem corruption	20:44
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Estel_	(but not to fcked file content, that why backupmenu backups help)	20:44
Estel_	eddyb, little question	20:44
eddyb	hmm?	20:45
Estel_	if Youw know already - and You apparently know - that pads from beneath battery are same d+ and d- that main usb, why using those...	20:45
Estel_	instead of "regular" usb socket?	20:45
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Estel_	arduino connected to usb and ou want to debug something via laptop connected paralelly?	20:46
eddyb	:\|	20:46
eddyb	I'm not using the USB	20:46
Estel_	roger that	20:46
Estel_	but, be careful about uart	20:46
Estel_	it's super fragile re voltage applied	20:47
eddyb	I need the UART output from the N900	20:47
Estel_	even 0.2 above desigbned voltage tends to fry it	20:47
Estel_	it's documented somewhere on wiki	20:47
Estel_	ok, two possible ways	20:47
eddyb	not the input, mind you	20:47
Estel_	less elegant, but super easy	20:47
Estel_	solder cable to pad. easy to solder and de-solder	20:47
Estel_	more elegant, require little effort:	20:48
eddyb	but don't bother, I dropped that already	20:48
Estel_	dissaseble some cheap battery, and usi it pins to make "extender" for battery	20:48
Estel_	You put extender only on N900	20:48
eddyb	some things are better left buried	20:48
Estel_	connected to any ion outside	20:48
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Estel_	I see.	20:49
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Estel_	btw what You wanted to do with that?	20:49
Estel_	I'm noob re uart on N900	20:49
Estel_	maybe it's worth pursuit, after all. what was the plan?	20:49
eddyb	I wanted to get a defunct hobby OS project's kernel running on the N900	20:49
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Estel_	O_o	20:50
Estel_	and why need uart for that?	20:50
eddyb	the build is meant for the original beagle-board, and the only output simple enough to not fail is the UART	20:50
* vi_ fires up the popcorn machine.		20:50
Estel_	I see, somehow	20:50
vi_	You can never have to many OS s	20:50
eddyb	it's the only debug option I have	20:50
Estel_	well, flashing it normally wouldn't work?	20:50
eddyb	Estel_: I need the debug output	20:51
Estel_	understood	20:51
Estel_	as i said I don't know what uart does (yet)	20:51
Estel_	so, battery extender seems fine	20:51
Estel_	BTW	20:51
Estel_	ultra cheap jtag cables for N900	20:51
eddyb	it's serial I/O	20:51
Estel_	contain pins for our pads	20:51
vi_	I think the r00t\|home user on this chanel put a logic analyser on the UART.	20:52
Estel_	just attaching mentioned "battry extender"* to it	20:52
Estel_	= fake battery	20:52
vi_	He s the one who figured out the pads under the battery	20:52
Estel_	(using real ion)	20:52
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eddyb	I don't have the tools to solder/etc.	20:52
Estel_	jacekowski did some things with it too	20:52
vi_	eddyb: then you are pretty much fooked then	20:52
Estel_	no soldering iron, no fun :P	20:52
Estel_	although, still achievable without	20:53
vi_	eddyb: unless you can get hold of a super rare n900 developer harness.	20:53
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eddyb	vi_: as I'm already in the "oh, screw it, working on a perfect OS is not my thing" state	20:53
Estel_	well, dissasembling cheap bl-5j can be done with bare hands	20:53
Estel_	then, tying wires around flat wires... :P	20:53
Estel_	mcgyver would be pleased	20:53
Estel_	not very reliable, though	20:53
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Estel_	aha! so wielkitost as iactually DOS!	20:55
Estel_	always suspected that	20:55
Estel_	since times of win 3.1	20:55
Estel_	:P	20:55
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Estel_	I'm afraid to talk to him, as he can disco again.	20:56
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jacekowski	ehhh	21:14
jacekowski	it was me	21:14
HRH_H_Crab	Estel_: slightly offtopic question, but your wrt54gl, do you run openwrt on that?	21:14
Estel_	HRH_H_Crab, currently, Tomato... I know openWRT got more possibilities and probably will switch one day	21:18
HRH_H_Crab	i just managed to "unbrick" mine this afternoon.	21:18
HRH_H_Crab	i actually think i just managed to tftp a firmware that worked.	21:18
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HRH_H_Crab	i think i need to build a custom firmware though, so it has some space for some cool stuff.	21:18
Estel_	one day will try OpenWRT with latest web based gui, as possibility for easy management notonly for me via command line is essential	21:19
HRH_H_Crab	thats my next project.	21:19
HRH_H_Crab	the gui is lovely.	21:19
HRH_H_Crab	just means that there isnt much space	21:19
Estel_	HRH_H_Crab, on wrt54GL You won't scavenge much space, soldering sd card or usb port is a must	21:19
HRH_H_Crab	hmmm.	21:19
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Estel_	well, I had 900 KB left from 4MB chip	21:19
Estel_	and tried 70 kb dircproxy	21:19
HRH_H_Crab	maybe i should get a soldering iron and try that then.	21:20
HRH_H_Crab	but im not really much of a hardware hacker.	21:20
Estel_	...but it turned out that, to work properly, I need 890 kb update ulibc :P	21:20
Estel_	HRH_H_Crab, sd card mod is super easy	21:20
HRH_H_Crab	tbh though, if i can manage that,	21:20
HRH_H_Crab	i might use debian instead!	21:20
Estel_	usb too, but it require making (easysecondary board with few components added, so it's more complicated	21:20
Estel_	yea, but isn't debian overkill for hardware with 200 mhz and 16 mb ram!	21:21
Estel_	s/!/?/	21:21
infobot	Estel_ meant: yea, but isn't debian overkill for hardware with 200 mhz and 16 mb ram?	21:21
eddyb	lol	21:21
Estel_	openwrt with optware sounds like better suited	21:21
eddyb	s/o/u/	21:21
infobot	eddyb meant: lul	21:21
eddyb	s/u/o	21:21
eddyb	s/u/o/	21:21
infobot	eddyb meant: s/o/o	21:21
Estel_	oho, eddyb discovered infobot's sed :P	21:21
HRH_H_Crab	Estel_: im running debian on my nslu2s...	21:22
HRH_H_Crab	they arent much better	21:22
Estel_	well	21:22
eddyb	s/o/u/	21:22
Estel_	sounds nice	21:22
HRH_H_Crab	works very nicely indeed.	21:22
infobot	eddyb meant: s/u/u	21:22
Estel_	wait a second, I'll fire up desktops IRC	21:22
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eddyb	debian sucks for embedded	21:22
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HRH_H_Crab	http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=228	21:23
HRH_H_Crab	heh	21:23
HRH_H_Crab	that sounds fun	21:23
Estel_	yea, but I'm afraid You will end up re-doing what optware did already, =	21:25
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Estel_	...stripping down packages to function properly	21:25
Estel_	and modifying them to suit specific WRT54gl use case	21:25
Estel_	something like using debian apckage son N900 and modyfing it to fit gui/hardware ;)	21:25
Estel_	if someone did it already, why to re-do it	21:26
Estel_	that why i preffe rusing optware	21:26
Estel_	BTw, have You used tomato on wrt54gl? how do you compare it with optware re gui-only management?	21:26
HRH_H_Crab	ive not used tomato	21:26
Estel_	I see	21:26
Estel_	well, tomato is, generally, gui only (is use temrinal via ssh and can do things from there, but...)	21:26
HRH_H_Crab	when i did use my wrt54gl i only used it as a switch / wireless ap	21:26
HRH_H_Crab	its long since been replaced by an airport	21:27
Estel_	so I would happily switch to openwrt with gui, so family cna use guii	21:27
Estel_	s/guii/gui/	21:27
infobot	Estel_ meant: so I would happily switch to openwrt with gui, so family cna use gui	21:27
HRH_H_Crab	i used to configure it by commandline	21:27
Estel_	and me also, when need to do something fast... And tyerminal for real stuff	21:27
HRH_H_Crab	i wanted to use ipv6 since im lucky enough to have native ipv6 at home,	21:27
HRH_H_Crab	and i wanted a 2.6 kernel	21:27
HRH_H_Crab	i found that that made the wrt54gl unstable	21:27
Estel_	I see. Well, tomato also have 2.6 kernel:p	21:27
HRH_H_Crab	it would reboot after a few days	21:27
Estel_	hm	21:27
Estel_	well, I use wrt54gl as main home router/AP	21:28
HRH_H_Crab	so the first thing i did was disable luci (the web gui) and uhttpd	21:28
HRH_H_Crab	in the hope that that would make it a bit more stable and id manage a week of uptime...	21:28
Estel_	luci amd eit unstable?0_o	21:28
HRH_H_Crab	it never did.	21:28
HRH_H_Crab	i dont think the web interface had anything to do with it.	21:28
HRH_H_Crab	i think 2.6 is dodgy on openwrt	21:28
Estel_	well, My wrt54gl with tomato never ever reboot on it's own. During so many years usage	21:28
HRH_H_Crab	im sure ive read somewhere that if you want stability stick to 2.4	21:28
Estel_	I use 2.4...	21:29
HRH_H_Crab	yes...	21:29
HRH_H_Crab	i think this is the key.	21:29
Estel_	so can't say about stability with openwrt	21:29
Estel_	tfu	21:29
Estel_	about stability with tomato and 2.6	21:29
Estel_	but but, I haven't seen complains about tomato and 2.6	21:29
HRH_H_Crab	i think with the 2.4 openwrt you should (hopefully) enjoy the same stability you enjoy with tomato.	21:29
Estel_	and can't belive that openwrt would be inferior	21:29
Estel_	BTW, how much jffs space You've left with openwrt?	21:30
Estel_	installed?	21:30
kwtm	Hi. How do I change the $HOSTNAME on my N900? I have two and don't want them clashing	21:30
Estel_	(with luci)	21:30
HRH_H_Crab	i think ive got about 740k	21:30
Estel_	with 2.6 kernel?	21:30
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Estel_	it should be more with 2.4	21:30
Estel_	as for soldering card, just be sure to find proper tutorial for wrt54gl, and You'll be fine	21:31
Estel_	it's a matter fo soldering few cables	21:31
Estel_	anyway, You mayw ant to add sd card reade (only part that hold card, actually) or use floppy disk flex	21:32
Estel_	it's prot have same pin overlay as sd card	21:32
Estel_	= you can stick sd card to floppy flex plug :p	21:32
HRH_H_Crab	Estel_: hang on	21:32
HRH_H_Crab	let me boot it	21:32
Estel_	and use same cables	21:32
HRH_H_Crab	and i will tell you exactly...	21:32
* Estel_ nods		21:32
kwtm	wups, I should say how do I change the result of $(uname -n) ?	21:34
Estel_	kwtm, device name in bluetooth settings	21:35
Estel_	changing it change that AFAIK	21:35
Estel_	HRH_H_Crab, BTw, how You debricked it?	21:35
Estel_	using jtag?	21:35
kwtm	Estel_: Thx	21:36
kwtm	Estel_: Takes effect after reboot, I guess?	21:37
HRH_H_Crab	Free space: 77% (740.00 KB)	21:38
HRH_H_Crab	Estel_: no	21:38
HRH_H_Crab	im not sure if i ever bricked it	21:38
HRH_H_Crab	i tried upgrading the firmware from the commandline	21:38
HRH_H_Crab	to the latest version of trunk	21:38
HRH_H_Crab	and after it rebooted i couldnt do anything with it.	21:38
HRH_H_Crab	anyway, i left it for a month or so	21:39
HRH_H_Crab	and today i thought i would have a play and i realised this time i could suddenly ping it.	21:39
HRH_H_Crab	so i just farted around tftping various firmwares.	21:39
HRH_H_Crab	i just made sure the thing was unplugged,	21:39
HRH_H_Crab	tftp to 192.168.1.1	21:39
HRH_H_Crab	mode to binary	21:39
HRH_H_Crab	and then "put <firmware>"	21:40
HRH_H_Crab	ofc that failed as the router wasnt on	21:40
HRH_H_Crab	but then i turned it on	21:40
HRH_H_Crab	and kept hammering away until it accepted it	21:40
HRH_H_Crab	waited for it to reboot and i was in	21:40
HRH_H_Crab	but i had to go back to 2.4	21:40
HRH_H_Crab	with a stable firmware	21:40
HRH_H_Crab	then i upgraded to the 2.6 from luci	21:41
HRH_H_Crab	something strange has happened though	21:41
HRH_H_Crab	when i was playing earlier im sure the dmz light was on	21:41
HRH_H_Crab	and ssh was working	21:41
HRH_H_Crab	just now i rebooted and tried to ssh and it wouldnt accept the connection	21:42
HRH_H_Crab	and dmz lamp was off	21:42
HRH_H_Crab	i thought it was bricked again	21:42
HRH_H_Crab	but luci is working	21:42
HRH_H_Crab	so maybe mine is a bit "sick"	21:42
Estel_	hm	21:44
Estel_	when i bought mine, it was flashed with openwrt, during times when there was no luci	21:44
Estel_	and i flashed it via telnet	21:44
Estel_	but it isn't debricking, literally	21:45
Estel_	maybe sometihng is disabled re Your ssh?	21:45
Estel_	and possible to enable it via luci?	21:45
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HRH_H_Crab	luci thinks its running.	21:47
HRH_H_Crab	(ssh)	21:47
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eddyb	Estel_: O	21:49
eddyb	err	21:49
eddyb	I'm such a fucking idiot	21:49
Estel_	don't tell like that, it's DocScrutinizer specialisation ;)	21:50
Estel_	HRh, hm	21:50
eddyb	I didn't connect GND to my USB2serial thing	21:50
eddyb	only the signal line	21:50
Estel_	eddyb, :D	21:50
HRH_H_Crab	Estel_: im flashin again	21:50
eddyb	no wonders it wasn't catching anything	21:50
HRH_H_Crab	this is the beauty of this thin	21:50
HRH_H_Crab	its just a toy to me.	21:50
Estel_	eddyb, see, told ya it's worth further pursuit :P	21:51
HRH_H_Crab	i can just mess with it.	21:51
eddyb	man, and I had the wire fixed in there, and I took it out	21:51
Estel_	HRH_H_Crab, nice :)	21:51
eddyb	DAMN	21:51
HRH_H_Crab	worse case scenario a fancy blue paperweight with devil horns	21:51
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HRH_H_Crab	root@OpenWrt:~# uname -a	21:54
HRH_H_Crab	Linux OpenWrt 2.6.32.27 #5 Wed Dec 21 05:56:26 CET 2011 mips GNU/Linux	21:54
HRH_H_Crab	strange...	21:54
HRH_H_Crab	oh well	21:54
HRH_H_Crab	that fixed it...	21:54
HRH_H_Crab	(for the moment)	21:54
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Estel_	nice :)	21:59
Estel_	BTW, wrt54gl is kinda "unbrickable"	22:00
Estel_	i.e. until you actuallym fry it...	22:00
Estel_	it never becomes paperweight	22:00
Estel_	and it's hard to fry it even using overclocking to 300 mhz (50%)	22:00
Estel_	as it just shut down gently	22:00
Estel_	BTW, if You ever need it, overlcocking to 250 mhz is super safe	22:01
Estel_	and, after all, 1/4 more power	22:01
Estel_	(in case you want debian there)	22:01
jacekowski	why would you want to run debian on an AP	22:01
Estel_	jacekowski, canuse then, it's 20$ (with tax) full-fledged computer :P	22:04
Estel_	but	22:04
jacekowski	can it run xbmc?	22:04
Estel_	as I said, i think openwrt and optware is more than enough	22:04
Estel_	AFAIk it can run everything, it's pure linux	22:04
Estel_	2.6 kernel (or 2.4, whatever you feel fancy)	22:04
jacekowski	does it have enough processing power to run xbmc?	22:04
jacekowski	and ram	22:04
jacekowski	and hdmi out	22:04
Estel_	no idea about xbmc, but people turn it to media copntrolling thing easily	22:04
Estel_	seriously, xbmc is bloated as hell	22:05
eddyb	Estel_: why does everyone around me have to push me back on track? I can't fail miserably without my gf proving to me that I'm not a retard	22:05
Estel_	hehe	22:05
Estel_	if You girlfriend tell You to keep connectint cable to N900's uart...	22:05
Estel_	then consider yourself lucky one.	22:05
Estel_	BTW	22:06
Estel_	HRH_H_Crab, http://www.jbprojects.net/articles/wrt54gl_mods/	22:06
Estel_	controlling outside's electornic via serial ports seems nice.	22:06
Estel_	gonna maker touter with legs that will make me cofee, some day ;)	22:06
luke-jr	ew WRT54GL	22:06
Estel_	s/touter/router/	22:06
infobot	Estel_ meant: gonna maker router with legs that will make me cofee, some day ;)	22:06
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Estel_	say what You want, I bet first robot with personality will be made using wrt54* design	22:07
luke-jr	Raspberry Pi is cheaper and better IMO	22:07
Estel_	...and will shake it's antennas upon seeing You coming back home, due to hapinness	22:07
Estel_	luke-jr, raspberry pi isn't cheaper	22:07
Estel_	but for many things of course it's better suited	22:07
Estel_	i.e. xbmc mentione dby jacekowski	22:07
Estel_	but, for things related to being AP - obviously - wrt54gl is much better suited and cheaper, of course	22:08
luke-jr	except for it only running an ancient non-free fork of Linux	22:08
luke-jr	and 802.11g only	22:08
luke-jr	might as well just spend $67 on a nice WZR-HP-G300NH	22:08
Estel_	802.11n isn't usable for anything except jamming Your neighborn wifi, lol	22:08
Estel_	..due to occupying 40 mhz wide channels	22:09
Estel_	and wrt54gl run free linux for ages	22:09
luke-jr	more memory and flash are handy still	22:09
Estel_	of course.	22:09
luke-jr	Estel_: oh? news to me	22:09
Estel_	although, its possible to - without rocket science - solder more memory	22:09
Estel_	not feasible, IMO	22:09
Estel_	luke-jr, see openwrt	22:09
Estel_	tomato	22:09
Estel_	whatever	22:09
luke-jr	Openwrt still used 2.4 blobs on WRT54G last I checked	22:10
Estel_	everything uses blobs ;)	22:10
Estel_	raspberry pi too.	22:10
Estel_	BTW, 2.6 kernel is also available on wrt54g*	22:10
Estel_	raspberry pi have blobs for graphic and such, wrt54gl have blobs for some broadcom thing... no surprise, sadly. At leats wrt54g* blobs play vnicely with open things	22:11
luke-jr	WZR doesn't use blobs	22:11
Estel_	sounds interesting	22:11
luke-jr	it ships with DD-Wrt too	22:11
Estel_	anyway, wrt54g* can be bought for really, really, really cheap, and if You don't need fancy things and/or want to solder them Yourself... thats why most robots made of AP's are using wrt54g*	22:11
Estel_	dd-wrt is more non-free, lol	22:12
luke-jr	I run Openwrt on it :p	22:12
Estel_	after all, it's using free and non-free version	22:12
Estel_	yea	22:12
Estel_	openwrt kick ass.	22:12
luke-jr	still, shipping DD-Wrt is a big step forward	22:12
Estel_	of course	22:12
Estel_	anyway, for now, i plan to run irc bouncer on my reliable router'ish friend	22:13
Estel_	+, probably, some more things, when need arise	22:13
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* luke-jr should make use of the USB port somehow		22:15
HRH_H_Crab	heh	22:17
HRH_H_Crab	i got a firmware from trunk working	22:17
HRH_H_Crab	Linux OpenWrt 3.3.7 #1 Sun Jun 3 07:47:24 PDT 2012 mips GNU/Linux	22:17
HRH_H_Crab	this has no luci though	22:17
eddyb	337	22:18
HRH_H_Crab	built today	22:18
luke-jr	♥ MIPS	22:19
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HRH_H_Crab	anyway, thats enough playing.	22:19
HRH_H_Crab	time for some cooking,	22:19
Estel_	bon apetit :)	22:20
HRH_H_Crab	i think my next move will be to make a custom firmware, even if its just to play with the sdk and figure out how it works.	22:20
Estel_	good idea.	22:20
Estel_	http://www.jbprojects.net/articles/wrt54gl_mods/	22:20
Estel_	ncie illustrated guide to sd mod	22:21
Estel_	and serial console mod	22:21
Estel_	if You want to solder card, I recommend following this one	22:21
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HRH_H_Crab	it looks way too hardcore for me, but i might just give it ago.	22:21
HRH_H_Crab	after all i can afford to kill it.	22:22
HRH_H_Crab	its not like i need it for anything.	22:22
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Pali	ping Estel	22:24
Estel_	Pali, pong	22:24
Estel_	HRH_H_Crab, firts part is serial itnerfac,e You can skip to sd card section, which isn't hardcore at all	22:25
Estel_	it's easier than soldering down N900's usb port	22:25
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Pali	Estel, I have one question for you as council member: I have working ipv6 support in maemo5. it is in icd2 daemon - so the best solution. But it needs closed source nokia ipv6 icd2 plugin from maemo4. This package is here: catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/libicd-network-ipv6_0.15-0.1_armel.deb but is not redistributable. Can you ask somebody if could be this packages pushed to Fremantle Extras?	22:26
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Pali	proper ipv6 support (with dhcpv6) in maemo5 for wlan is very usefull	22:27
Pali	and this is blocker	22:27
Pali	all other ipv6 packages in diablo are open source so it can be pushed to extras without problem	22:28
Estel_	Pali, of course I'll be honored to ask qgil about it, but, AFAIK, you can redistribute it for fremantle even now...	22:28
Estel_	using same exception as freemangordon with dsp from harmattan on N900	22:28
Pali	I want to push that package to fremantle extras	22:28
Estel_	i.e. "allowance to use closed Nokia bits, if for benefit of Nokia devices users"	22:28
Estel_	yea	22:28
Estel_	I'm absolutely, definitely sure, that it's allowed following mentioned exception, but of course, I can also ask	22:29
Pali	ok, better ask :-)	22:29
luke-jr	Pali: DHCPv6? who uses that?	22:29
Pali	luke-jr, that nokia plugin support static ip address and dhcp too	22:30
luke-jr	Pali: why not autodiscovery?	22:30
Pali	I do not want to disassemble that plugin :-)	22:31
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luke-jr	also, IPv6 works fine in Maemo 5 with the IPv6 extensions already O.o	22:32
Pali	luke-jr, but it is not integrated into icd2	22:33
Pali	or yes?	22:33
luke-jr	Pali: yes?	22:33
Pali	and which extensions?	22:33
luke-jr	I just pick the IPv6 network from the connection manager	22:34
luke-jr	http://n900-ipv6.garage.maemo.org/ iirc	22:34
luke-jr	hmm no, that's older	22:34
Pali	but that needs to edit /etc/resolv.conf	22:35
Pali	and on n900 is on localhost dnsmasq	22:35
luke-jr	http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/wiki/README	22:37
Pali	and this is only for GSM/3G	22:40
Pali	luke-jr, I already looked at code of both projects, but I decided to copy exising ipv6 binaries from diablo, beucase it is better solution	22:41
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luke-jr	admittedly, I don't know how DNS discovery works on Wifi right now\	22:51
luke-jr	but it seems a shame to go back to the drawing board even if that is broken	22:51
orangey	hey all	22:51
orangey	does syncevolution by chance do a single ICS file?	22:51
orangey	hmm. Also, where is it that I can play with things that load after the desktop starts?	22:52
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orangey	aha event.d	22:54
orangey	thank you grep -r	22:54
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Estel_	luke-jr, it seems that on wrt54g* and many others, there are no blobs for wifi, currently	23:36
luke-jr	interesting	23:36
Estel_	"Before the introduction of OpenWrt 8.09, using Linux 2.6.25, and the b43 kernel module, WLAN for many Broadcom-based routers was only available through the proprietary wl.o module that was also only provided for Linux 2.4."	23:36
Estel_	it seems that b43 takes care of it - RE'ed probably	23:36
Estel_	only for kernel 2.6 AFAIK	23:37
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vi__	DocScrutinizer: good evening.	23:50
vi__	may I ask a question?	23:51
vi__	what write speed shoul I expect to achieve when:	23:52
vi__	dd count=2 bs=10M if=/dev/urandom of=/opt/test	23:52
vi__	I am seeing 1.4MB/S	23:52
vi__	is this to be considered normal?	23:53
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DocScrutinizer51	yes	23:55
DocScrutinizer51	maybe	23:55
DocScrutinizer51	use /dev/zero and see if it makes a difference	23:56
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vi__	yes it does, 7.1MB/s	23:58
DocScrutinizer51	also aiui a bs=10M will result in massive ram demand of dd, so other stuff needs to get swapped out... to same storage as /opt	23:58
vi__	interesting	23:59

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