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| Estel_ | chem|st, honestly, i'm sure you know it already, and are talking BS jsut because you're biased towards DocScrutinizer51 but read about Frenoode rules | 00:37 |
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| Estel_ | naming concention | 00:37 |
| Estel_ | convention* | 00:37 |
| Estel_ | and ownership of channels related to platforms. | 00:37 |
| Estel_ | enjoy your popcorn, nothing wrong in it ;) | 00:38 |
| vi__ | Estel_: I think he is gone. | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | still, management of #maemo etc. need to be cleared, as it, seems, some people treat is as own property and feel like leaders of international football organisations (i.e. "non-removable") | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | BLABLABLABLA | 01:38 |
| Gh0sty | YADAYADAYADA | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | listen buddy, the funny two details: 1) I got shanghai'd for chanop of this chan, and I'm not the elast afraid to leave this position vacant (though nobody except you ever thought that'd be a good idea). and b) I'm chanop and GC of some dozen other chan, so believe me I know at least as much about both legalese and policies of freenode than you do | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some dozen, since some years mow | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | now* | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and btw I have to break my promise: I have to ask you to find another way of managing your IRC access, as Ihink it's kinda strange when you ask for removing my name from access list and you accidentally get affected in the process due to same IP and hostname | 01:46 |
| Gh0sty | whats he goy against you? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nfc | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I said | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tmo | 01:46 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen | 01:46 |
| Woody14619 | Sigh.... You know... you're a half decent channel op 99% of the time. It's just that you tend to devolve into a major ass-hat when he who bitched is around. Yes, I know, you two have issues... but really? It's like being in a kindergarten classroom. | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess he forgot to take his pills today | 01:47 |
| Woody14619 | And yes, I know, it's not one sided... | 01:47 |
| Woody14619 | He's a pretty major ass-hat a lot of times.... But really. The two of you reflect each other like a pair of mirrors... | 01:48 |
| Woody14619 | Ass-hats within ass-hats... | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you're so absolutely right | 01:48 |
| Gh0sty | no reason to fight: a)no money involved b) no women either | 01:48 |
| * Woody14619 nods | 01:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's why he got on my /ignore | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and why I left chan for 28h | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to chill | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and today I said NUTTIN | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but MEH | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Woody14619: thanks for your reeasonable words though, much appreciated | 01:50 |
| Woody14619 | Well, that's not entierly true... but... yes... | 01:51 |
| chem|st | well troll and feeder... | 01:52 |
| chem|st | which way around is up to you | 01:53 |
| chem|st | other topic please | 01:53 |
| Woody14619 | Too true chem|st | 01:53 |
| Woody14619 | Anywho... I'm off to real life. And since I don't want to have a novel to read when I come back, I bid you all good night. :) See you all Monday. | 01:56 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer51, quite funny, as today I've said to other interested Councilors that - in line with what you've promised - they can ping You about IRc bouncer. | 01:57 |
| Estel_ | Well, no problem - I suppose, it's just like thing with repos mirror, you're free to revoke it at any time, obviously | 01:57 |
| Estel_ | And honestly, i can't agree with Woody14619 - i'm not in chan app position, and my request was simple - to change factoid set by some idiot and *locked* this way (thus only chanop can edit it) | 01:58 |
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| Estel_ | it's embarassing, that #maemo - being one of official channels of communication, like it or not - have info about members of other channel (TMO) being "morons, oxes and trolls" | 01:58 |
| Woody14619 | Estel_: enough... Give it a rest... Come back after a weekend and you'll see how little this all matters. | 01:58 |
| Estel_ | Woody14619, it's not matter of rest, i'mperfectly calm | 01:58 |
| Estel_ | it's just more embarassing that worst submissions to CA. | 01:59 |
| * Woody14619 sees otherwise... | 01:59 | |
| Estel_ | either way we're treating being chanop as something that si related ot smallest responsibilities, or we're in fact more moronish channel than TMO | 01:59 |
| chem|st | Estel_: give it a brake | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | BTw, Woody14619, as per Councilors, it seems you're quite alone with Your view on this case. | 01:59 |
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| Estel_ | I don't have problems with small jokes etc | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | but that thing with | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | ~tmo | 01:59 |
| infobot | methinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | ...being locked to edit only for chanops, yet chanop refusing to edit it... | 02:00 |
| chem|st | so what noone ever moaned | 02:00 |
| Woody14619 | Yes, it should be changed, but it's not like it's a channel topic. You have to know it's there and how to trigger it. | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | is just embarassing, and quite pathetic. | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | yea, because infobot and it's factoid info here is to feed idiots frustration. | 02:00 |
| chem|st | truth is sometimes pathetic | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | bullshit, if I would set factoid to | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | "hostmode is pile of crap designed by idiots to fry people's devices" | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | it would be changed in 0.5 seconds | 02:01 |
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| Estel_ | don't be biased, pls. | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | +, someone who set up that factoid would be banned immediately | 02:01 |
| chem|st | you are... I am just rational | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | then, some moron set up factoid about TMO, and chanop's are cheerish all the way | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | rational way would be to change this factoid instantly. Semi-rational way would be to change it on request. | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | if chanop, instead of that, add someone requesting it to /ignore and write other bullshit, it's just out of the line. | 02:02 |
| chem|st | I'd like to have some pizza now | 02:02 |
| chem|st | or at least | 02:02 |
| chem|st | ~popcorn | 02:02 |
| infobot | well, popcorn is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0f2YL_MThI, which is epic. | 02:02 |
| Woody14619 | Sigh, yes... it should be changed. But you're really making a much buffer deal out of it than needs be. | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | + you're funny chem|st, when nokia create 2 activites to sed devices, You tell me that it's my duty to convionce them - or try - to give us more devices, even if they Nokia Store and Qt5 is not related to council at all | 02:03 |
| Woody14619 | s/buffer/biffer | 02:03 |
| Woody14619 | GRR! Bigger... | 02:03 |
| Woody14619 | (can you tell I've been working on buffering code all day?) | 02:03 |
| chem|st | ehrm I did not ask that | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | when Maemo's official channel have some *bullshit* in factoid, PROTECTED by chanops to remain here for good, You tell me it's not something, that Council is egilible to intervent about | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | Woody14619, I'm making "biggeR" deal about chanop operation | 02:03 |
| chem|st | I was elaborating other people's requests | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | which is totally out of line. | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, I don't have anything against You, and I think you're reasonable guy - for sure much more than DocScrutinizer51, at least, when he see me ;) | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | but here, it sounds like You're just defending colleague. | 02:04 |
| Woody14619 | You bringing more attention to something that's existed for years than anyone though was worth bothering with. Triggereing a shit-storm in the process. | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | you know as good as I, that his reaction wasn't justified, yes? | 02:04 |
| Woody14619 | Yes, you're BOTH acting like 5 year olds. | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | well, who seed wind, gather storm. | 02:05 |
| chem|st | wtf? | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | honestly? I don't care if it was like that for years | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | ages, or eons | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | it's wrong, and should be changed, while chenlop refuses that, and call someone rerquesting it names. | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | lets leave alone that I'm Council and chair - it would be wrong for *any* user | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | if we tolerate like that, we should also tolerate every inapproriate naction *everywhere* on TMO too. | 02:06 |
| chem|st | Estel_: I cannot remeber anyone ever complaining | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | sure thing. But how it is related? | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | it doesn't change what I've said - if someone would set such factoid about hostmode and it's devs being moron, he would be banned immediately | 02:07 |
| Estel_ | here, instead, factoid is protected from further change, but left alone, LOL | 02:07 |
| Estel_ | double standards? | 02:07 |
| Woody14619 | Estel_, can you honestly tell me you've not see worse ON tmo itself? Moron is used constantly on tmo, without ops banning posts or threads. | 02:07 |
| Woody14619 | You're making a huge deal about nothing. | 02:07 |
| Estel_ | call me whatever You like - 5 years old, troll, or what You feel fancy, but I haven't started to being Councilor, to tolerate such things. | 02:07 |
| chem|st | tmo is even more out of your league then this channel, someone could have changed anything any time but didn't | 02:07 |
| Estel_ | Woody14619, the point is, if we start tolerate moronish things here | 02:07 |
| Estel_ | we shouldn't complain about morons on TMO | 02:07 |
| Woody14619 | You know what I think? I think you're letting at lot of stuff go to your head. | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | double standards is thing that slowly destroyed much bigger Communities than ours | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | if we tolerate joerg being moronish, why should we bash morons on TMO?> | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | after all, they're at least - most of the times - new | 02:08 |
| chem|st | I saw communities devide because of people but neber because of infobots... | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | Woody14619, no, I just use same standards for average joe writing bullshit on TMO and average epic badass hero writing bullshit on IRC | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | and thing here isn't about infobot. | 02:09 |
| Woody14619 | You're over-concerened with things that are F**KING TRIVIAL, spending hours whining and bitching about a useless macro, when lots of other stuff needs to be done. | 02:09 |
| chem|st | well infobot has nothin to do with chanops | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | it's - less - about some moron that set up abusive factoid, and - more - other moron being chanop, and refusing to change it. | 02:09 |
| Woody14619 | If you spent HALF this ammount of effort on the other tasks at hand, we'd have much more done.... | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, bullshit. chanop DocScrutinizer51 locked it fromk further edit | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | now only he can change it, or - maybe - other chanops | 02:09 |
| Woody14619 | One that note... *I* have actual, important work to do... So enjoy your weekend, as you will. | 02:10 |
| Woody14619 | See you all Monday.... | 02:10 |
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| Estel_ | Woody14619, AFAIK, other things needed to be done dor today were done via our Council meeting. and, via request by other Councilors, Your task for monday include talking with IRc contact about this chanop mess | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | ~factinfo tmo | 02:11 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 02:11 |
| infobot | tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified at Fri May 4 14:36:23 2012 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 23 times, last by Estel_, 11m 10s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, see who locked it? Now You're telling me that being chanop doesn't have anything to do with fixing it? | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | we're either enforcing some standards... | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | or why we need chanops at all? Lets call everyone around moron, idiot, oxie, or whatever | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | and go make p0rn in channel ;) | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | what i'm - yes - demanding, is just fair "play". | 02:12 |
| chem|st | ~striptease | 02:12 |
| infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | know that one already ;) | 02:12 |
| chem|st | you asked for p0rn | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | ~porn | 02:12 |
| infobot | Porn remains one of the largest problems with Open Source Software. Often causing development delays, flooded links and, in extreme cases, disabling programmers ability to type. | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | ah, so i understand now why DocScrutinizer51 act so moronish lately. | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | ~hen | 02:13 |
| chem|st | Estel_: stop getting personal ass hole! | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | infobot, hen is piece of crap written by idiots and morons to fry other's people N900's! beware! | 02:14 |
| infobot | okay, Estel_ | 02:14 |
| Estel_ | ~hen | 02:14 |
| infobot | hen is probably piece of crap written by idiots and morons to fry other's people N900's! beware! | 02:14 |
| Estel_ | yea, sure | 02:14 |
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| chem|st | infobot: no, hen is chicken | 02:15 |
| infobot | okay, chem|st | 02:15 |
| chem|st | infobot: lock hen | 02:15 |
| Estel_ | well, see? this one isn't locked. | 02:15 |
| chem|st | infobot: no, hen is not chicken | 02:16 |
| infobot | chem|st: okay | 02:16 |
| chem|st | ~hen | 02:16 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hen is not chicken | 02:16 |
| chem|st | ~hen lock | 02:16 |
| Estel_ | ~lock hen | 02:16 |
| Estel_ | ~hen | 02:16 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hen is not chicken | 02:16 |
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| Estel_ | infobot: no, TMO is http://talk.maemo.org | 02:18 |
| infobot | Estel_: cannot alter locked factoids | 02:18 |
| chem|st | infobot: chem|st is Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo | 02:18 |
| infobot | chem|st: okay | 02:18 |
| chem|st | infobot: lock chem|st | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | infobot: no, chem|st is chicken | 02:18 |
| infobot | Estel_: okay | 02:18 |
| chem|st | lol | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | ~chem | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | ~chem|st | 02:18 |
| infobot | chem|st is, like, chicken | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | see? only infobot admin can lock and unlock it | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | locking and unlocking is disabled for regular users, and, probably, chanops to (unverified) | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | it's DocScrutinizer51 fuckin responsibility to alter *locked* moronish factoids | 02:19 |
| chem|st | get the fuck of my nick | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | especially about official parts of Maemo | 02:19 |
| chem|st | infobot:no, chem|st is Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo | 02:19 |
| infobot | chem|st: okay | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | infobot: no, chem|st is get the fuck of my nick | 02:19 |
| infobot | Estel_: please, watch your language. | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | lol | 02:20 |
| chem|st | ~chem|st | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | infobot: no, chem|st is get the duck of my nick | 02:20 |
| infobot | [chem|st] Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo | 02:20 |
| infobot | Estel_: okay | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | ~chem|st | 02:20 |
| infobot | chem|st is, like, get the duck of my nick | 02:20 |
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| chem|st | ~ chem|st | 02:21 |
| infobot | it has been said that chem|st is get the duck of my nick | 02:21 |
| chem|st | ~chem|st | 02:21 |
| infobot | hmm... chem|st is get the duck of my nick | 02:21 |
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| chem|st | infobot:no, chem|st is Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo | 02:22 |
| infobot | chem|st: okay | 02:22 |
| chem|st | Estel_: try again moron | 02:22 |
| chem|st | ~chem|st | 02:22 |
| infobot | it has been said that chem|st is Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo | 02:22 |
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| Estel_ | ~maemo | 02:22 |
| infobot | i heard maemo is http://mer.com | 02:22 |
| Estel_ | ... | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, why? doesn't like to be duck of my nick? | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | after all, we're free to say whatever we like about other people yes? It's just infobot, why should we enforce *any* standards | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | at least, this one isn't locked, so You can edit it | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | infobot: no, maemo is http://maemo.org/intro | 02:23 |
| infobot | Estel_: okay | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | ~factinfo maemo | 02:24 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 02:24 |
| infobot | maemo -- created by TimRiker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> at Mon May 30 22:51:00 2005 (2559 days); last modified 8s ago by Estel_!~Estel@lagrange.cloud-7.de; it has been requested 39 times, last by Estel_, 1m 8s ago. | 02:24 |
| chem|st | infobot: forget maemo | 02:24 |
| infobot | i forgot maemo, chem|st | 02:24 |
| Estel_ | maemo is http://maemo.org/intro | 02:25 |
| chem|st | infobot: forget maemo | 02:25 |
| infobot | chem|st: i didn't have anything called 'maemo' to forget | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | ? | 02:25 |
| chem|st | ~chem|st | 02:25 |
| infobot | somebody said chem|st was Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | ~forget tmo | 02:25 |
| infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, Estel_ | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | ~forget chem|st | 02:25 |
| chem|st | nice try | 02:25 |
| infobot | Estel_: cannot alter locked factoids | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | oh, so you've locked Your name? | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | nice. It's a little different, when affect you directly, yep? | 02:25 |
| chem|st | sure I did! so no moron can call me names again | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | why, considering your whole logic, you should don't care | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | so all You've said about DocScrutinizer51 being ok with that locked TMO factoid is pure bullshit | 02:26 |
| chem|st | grow up | 02:26 |
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| Estel_ | ~chemist | 02:26 |
| infobot | chemist is, like, frensh housewife | 02:26 |
| chem|st | it was locked to prevent further games with it | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | sure, lets lock it to "it's morons, trolls and oxies" | 02:27 |
| Estel_ | why You haven't locked chem|st to "dont duck with my name", though? | 02:27 |
| Estel_ | of cours,e it's just and example | 02:27 |
| Estel_ | either we're treating those things same way, or we're in double standards | 02:27 |
| chem|st | Estel_: that was also requested | 02:27 |
| Estel_ | sure thing. so I've requested, and still request it, to fix TMO factoid | 02:27 |
| Estel_ | to make it point to http://talk.maemo.org without moronish additions | 02:28 |
| chem|st | yeah but you got no base to request it... | 02:28 |
| chem|st | and not in that manner... | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | then, this whole talk would be non-existent. Only, if chanop would act like grown up, not some moronish zealot | 02:28 |
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| chem|st | you started a fight with doc, flaming bs and he didn't do nothing | 02:28 |
| chem|st | good morning X-Fade | 02:29 |
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| Estel_ | You know what? I got enough of this bullshit, but I see IRc management is more swamp that I've though. Sure, mornish chanop happens, but moronish Association of simulatenmous Adoration is different things | 02:29 |
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| Estel_ | hi, X-Fade | 02:29 |
| chem|st | lol | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oooh, chanlog is fun. I suggest to use /msg chanserv access #maemo list, to get a list of chanops | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | You're defending his out-of-line behavior, just because he is Your colleague | 02:30 |
| Estel_ | ...at the same time, you're using double standards, and protecting Your own nick against further edist, chem|st | 02:30 |
| kke | too much drama in the lbc | 02:30 |
| Estel_ | Honestly, i'm tired of this bullshit | 02:30 |
| chem|st | Estel_: I actualy did not defend him in the way you think I did, I am actualy only against your attitude | 02:30 |
| Estel_ | my attitude? lemme quote: | 02:30 |
| Estel_ | <Estel_> still doens't answer why you haven't fixed it to not being depreciating to others (and other official channels) | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | <Estel_> if someone would make factoid "Docscrutinizer is a moron", you would probably fix it. | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | <Estel_> at least, You're chanop for such things too, yep? | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | sure, bad attitude | 02:31 |
| chem|st | the last quote has a fine answere ... NO he isn't | 02:31 |
| chem|st | infobot has nothing to do with chanops... | 02:32 |
| Estel_ | like it or not, but we will have it fixed/straightened. This small, quite irrelevant case is just an example of failing to maintain responsibilities. | 02:32 |
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| Estel_ | chem|st, so enlighten me - why You were able to lock factoid? | 02:32 |
| chem|st | yeah we all in here fail to maintain responsibilities | 02:32 |
| Estel_ | i don't care if it's chanop, or infobot admin | 02:32 |
| chem|st | because it is my nick! | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's going down here, kids? | 02:33 |
| Estel_ | fact is that he was able to fix it, and refuses, due t4o personal frustrations against TMO | 02:33 |
| chem|st | GeneralAntilles: he's after me daddy | 02:33 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, see query | 02:33 |
| chem|st | Estel_: ehrm no... | 02:33 |
| chem|st | he is refusing to take a shitstorm as soft summerbreeze and act as your hobbit | 02:34 |
| kke | i suggest you all reduce the percentage of lemons in your diets | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, got my private message here? | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | kke, actually, got something interesting to say on merit? | 02:34 |
| chem|st | kke: less lemons are you nuts? | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | BTw, i love lemons ;) | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | ~lemon | 02:34 |
| infobot | Modern parser generator. URL: http://www.hwaci.com/sw/lemon/index.html | 02:34 |
| chem|st | ~chemist | 02:35 |
| infobot | methinks chemist is frensh housewife | 02:35 |
| chem|st | infobot: no, chemist is a french housewife | 02:35 |
| infobot | chem|st: okay | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tmo | 03:27 |
| infobot | tmo is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO, or trolls, morons, oxen | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and for the record: #maemo chanops can do things about #maemo (like banning trolls). They however can NOT do anything about infobot's administration. Infobot is on 123 channels ATM, and usually factoids are global. Anybody messing with factoids who doesn't understand that situation will trigger infobot admin action to protect infobot's factoid database from fools messing with it. General policy on infobot is users behave fair against | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | previously existing factoids, not deleting them because they think they know better. If admins find some user violating this policy, they lock factoids. | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and finally: I'm able to put infobot hat on now, and #maemo cahnop hat on in 30s. If I wasn't able to manage distinct domains without mixing them up, I could neither do anything for maemo, nor for freenode, nor for my employer who happens to be a competitior of Nokia | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and childs insulting me for no reason on IRC earn a /ignore. Done | 04:03 |
| ShadowJK | ignore is nice | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | indeed. I could as well be an asshat and kick the one who insulted me | 04:07 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer51, well fuck you | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but gently, please! | 04:08 |
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| ShadowJK | (because chanops are really bad if personal attacks/issues affect channel wide things) | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's why I'm not doing that | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | however he insulted me on my function as chanop | 04:09 |
| ShadowJK | That's part of the deal | 04:09 |
| ShadowJK | I think it's one of the reasons that freenode discourages public chanop display | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | blaming me for doing administration of infobot the "wrong way", while completely ignoring that infobot admin is totally unrelated to chanop | 04:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 cackles imagining he would've insulted crashanddie that nonsensical way | 04:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/he/that guy/ | 04:13 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: blaming me for doing administration of infobot tthat guy "wrong way", while completely ignoring that infobot admin is totally unrelated to chanop | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 04:13 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah well, crashanddie is like that drug addcit from police academy, except worse. Worse in the way that he doesn't speak english, and just randomly decides what something means, and then reacts on it. | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, gals and gents, this day didn't convince me to increase my efforts to keep maemo and the community alive | 04:15 |
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| ShadowJK | Hey you should do what I do, scroll past the stuff too boring/wtf to read :P | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ good policy | 04:18 |
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| Estel_ | Still i think that current content for TMO factoid is quite childlish, but... | 04:27 |
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| ShadowJK | Well, you can change it :) | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | also, I don'tr buy the "chanop and infobot admin is two person!", when both privileges are in one person's hand | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | no, I can't | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | oh :( | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | infobot: TMO is http://talk.maemo.org | 04:27 |
| infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, Estel_ | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | ~factinfo tmo | 04:28 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 04:28 |
| infobot | tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified 57m 45s ago by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 27 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 1h 50s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. | 04:28 |
| ShadowJK | infobot: no, tmo is bla | 04:28 |
| infobot | ShadowJK: cannot alter locked factoids | 04:28 |
| ShadowJK | aw :( | 04:28 |
| Estel_ | as "average user",. i don'tcare how administrating stuff on this channel are divided - if DocScrutinizer51 locked it and keep privilleges, then refuse to change it, it's same to me :( | 04:28 |
| ShadowJK | Re channel / network administration, I believe that once/if you involve yourself in a conversation/debate, you automatically make your admin/chanop authority void :P | 04:29 |
| Estel_ | addint bunch of things from wikipedia, and still keeping "trolls, morons and oxies" at the end is just childlish. i'm not going to write more about that | 04:30 |
| Estel_ | I hope, as long time ago, i was threatened by kick, just for having other point of view on bq27x00_battery patch than DocScrutinizer51 :p | 04:30 |
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| Estel_ | but it was long ago, in galaxy far, far away... ;) | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | What was that view? | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | And what was the patch even | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | path was wrong | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | path or patch | 04:32 |
| Estel_ | patch, sorry. | 04:32 |
| Estel_ | well, it was sysfs entry to enable dangerous patch allowing people to restart bme while bq27x00 is active | 04:32 |
| Estel_ | You actually participated in those discussion | 04:32 |
| Estel_ | I keep my POV that everyone is free to mess on his/her device, if enabling this sysfs entry on purpose | 04:33 |
| Estel_ | while I agree that method to achieve it (patch) is totally wrong | 04:33 |
| Estel_ | and would never ever enable it on my device again, since i know what it does, actually | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Estel_, so qgil can never be a normal community person since he works for Nokia, right? | 04:33 |
| Estel_ | well, it was rather ideological discussion about freedom vs "we know what is best for You better" ;0 | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | Well, consider that the previously Nokia Sponsored MeeGo kernel and Nokia Sponsored MeeGo userspace bits specifically enabled bme to start before the kernel module, and after that userspace gained info from the kernel module, not bme :-) | 04:34 |
| Estel_ | he can, as long as we ask him to provide missing source code for GPL'ed package ;) | 04:34 |
| ShadowJK | Which is roughly similar situation to "dangerous patch" | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, if qgil wil lsay "I wont respond, as I'm currently private person, try again, maybe You'll hit moment when I'm Nokia man" | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | s/lsay/will say/ | 04:35 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: GeneralAntilles, if qgil wil will say "I wont respond, as I'm currently private person, try again, maybe You'll hit moment when I'm Nokia man" | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | it would be wrong | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | if DocScrutinizer51 tells me "I won't fix infobot, cause I'm mentally chanop now", it's wrong also | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | but, I promised to not talk about it anymore ;) | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | resssist... | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, true | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | OTOH, there was couple of packages depending on this | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | I agree that it was dangerous path, but enabling ti via sysfs entry was optional and someone would need to read about it | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | before actually knowing way to achieve. | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | +, bit was just persojal opinion, no insults... | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | so I think threatening with kick was quite out of line. But, as i've said, it was long ago, and in fact only today's situation made me remember about it again | 04:37 |
| ShadowJK | <ShadowJK> Re channel / network administration, I believe that once/if you involve yourself in a conversation/debate, you automatically make your admin/chanop authority void :P | 04:37 |
| ShadowJK | Also one of the reasons I rarely, if ever, accept chanop/netop duties anymore :P | 04:38 |
| Estel_ | hey, so policeman, while seeing robbery, can tell everyone around "From now on, for 5 minutes, i'm private person"? | 04:38 |
| Estel_ | (re GeneralAntilles) | 04:38 |
| Estel_ | heh, kinda way of avvoiding such situations (ShadowJK) | 04:38 |
| ShadowJK | Well yeah, ideally a chanop has no knowledge of the subject matter at hand :P | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, also, i'm sure, that factoid like: | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | ~hen | 04:39 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hen is piece of crap written by idiots and morons to fry other's people N900's! beware! | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | ...would be fixed by DocScrutinizer51 in 0,5 seconds | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | that why I've written about double standards | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | infobot: no, hen is Hostmode-Easy-Now | 04:40 |
| infobot | okay, Estel_ | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | *especially* while locked | 04:40 |
| ShadowJK | Good thing you're on his ignore and he wont know who triggered that ;P | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeras, it's going to be locked now, because an idiot is violating infobot policy | 04:41 |
| ShadowJK | lols | 04:41 |
| Estel_ | infobot: no, hen is hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 | 04:41 |
| infobot | Estel_: okay | 04:41 |
| Estel_ | oh, so calling (all) members of TMO morons, oxied, and trolls is in line with infobot policy... | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | and calling hostmode crap written by morons isn't? | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | nice to know, will need to write it somewhere | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | I'm really, really fed up with this topic, already :/ | 04:42 |
| ShadowJK | aw, cool it | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | sure thing, I'm going to focus on work | 04:43 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oops, nope, no violation of any policy, so have fun fellas, while i'm doing real stuff | 04:43 |
| ShadowJK | nice | 04:43 |
| Estel_ | ...and everyone lived hapilly, from so on. | 04:43 |
| Estel_ | .until divorce. | 04:44 |
| ShadowJK | Two cross hackers each retreating into their workroom to do work instead of attacking eachother, what's better | 04:44 |
| Estel_ | :) | 04:44 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_, quiet you, you're ruining the pretend equilibrium | 04:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | errr? ShadowJK what you're talking about? | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo hen | 04:46 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 04:46 |
| infobot | hen -- created by Estel_ <~Estel@lagrange.cloud-7.de> 2h 32m 11s ago; last modified 4m 35s ago by Estel_!~Estel@lagrange.cloud-7.de; it has been requested 8 times, last by Estel_, 6m 36s ago. | 04:46 |
| ShadowJK | My aunt has hens | 04:46 |
| Estel_ | ~hen | 04:46 |
| infobot | it has been said that hen is hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see, created by estel. So no need for bot admin to waste time on that shite | 04:47 |
| Estel_ | and that concludes equilibrium? :( | 04:47 |
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| Estel_ | ~annihilation | 04:49 |
| infobot | methinks annihilation is when DocScrutinizer and Estel meet in IRC to have some ideological discussion | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~part | 04:50 |
| infobot | /part | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~quit | 04:50 |
| infobot | No! You quit! | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | ~lol | 04:50 |
| infobot | hmm... lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. | 04:50 |
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| infobot | Leaving. (courtesy of docscrutinizer). | 04:52 |
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| minde | na ir naujienos sendiena | 09:37 |
| minde | ups, sorry | 09:37 |
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| eddyb | how can I get a recent gcc on maemo? | 11:56 |
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| andre47 | eddyb: in SDK? Wouldn't that also require recompiling really everything else? | 12:09 |
| eddyb | so, should I switch to mer/tizen? | 12:10 |
| eddyb | I haven't found anything on tizen, but mer (as Nemo) has an external SD card installation guide | 12:11 |
| eddyb | please don't tell me I bricked this thing with uboot | 12:20 |
| andre47 | eddyb, well, Maemo is rather dead. Cannot recommend anything as I don't know what you want to do. | 12:20 |
| eddyb | nope, just slow booting as always | 12:20 |
| andre47 | uboot worked for me when I installed it three weeks ago on an N900 | 12:20 |
| andre47 | (and Mer in parallel) | 12:20 |
| eddyb | yepp, didn't break | 12:20 |
| eddyb | omg, I thought "rebooting eats your battery" wasn't that bad | 12:21 |
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| eddyb | and I only have 1GB microSD cards, not enough for mer | 12:29 |
| fastlane`` | 16gb microsd is not enough for mer :o | 12:31 |
| fastlane`` | ? | 12:31 |
| eddyb | can't you read? | 12:31 |
| eddyb | 1GB | 12:31 |
| fastlane`` | dyslexic eeek | 12:32 |
| fastlane`` | see :) | 12:32 |
| fastlane`` | i read it 3 times though | 12:32 |
| eddyb | oh, mkay | 12:33 |
| eddyb | although... why does it need 4GB? | 12:33 |
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| eddyb | the .bz2 file is ~300MB | 12:34 |
| Termana | eddyb, your 16gb microsd is not enough for mer? | 12:34 |
| Termana | sorry I had to :p | 12:34 |
| eddyb | that means there are about 3.5GB of zeroes | 12:34 |
| eddyb | (that's what .bz2 is used for, usually) | 12:34 |
| Termana | anyway, I think that it doesn't actually have to. They have just taken an image of it installed on a microsd card. If you mounted it by loopback and copied it over appropriately then you don't need that big of an sd card (likely) | 12:35 |
| eddyb | the question is - does it have/need a boot sector? | 12:36 |
| Termana | No | 12:36 |
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| eddyb | oh, then they could have just as well made a .tar.gz of the contents | 12:36 |
| Termana | Yes, but somehow they have the impression that it's easier for installation if you have it as an image (I believe that was what was said the last time I bugged them about it) | 12:37 |
| eddyb | seriously? | 12:37 |
| eddyb | rather than copy-paste? | 12:38 |
| eddyb | hmm, what was the tool for managing partitions? | 12:41 |
| eddyb | the MBR ones | 12:42 |
| eddyb | oh, yast can manage loopback files, but they're called "crypt files" | 12:45 |
| eddyb | damn translations | 12:45 |
| eddyb | seriously? can't I use an unencrypted loopback file? | 12:47 |
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| eddyb | Termana: I knew there was a reason they made it like this, it's a three-partition microSD image | 13:12 |
| eddyb | there's an ext(2, I think) partition, a swap one and a FAT32 one | 13:12 |
| eddyb | the swap is 8GB, a bit excessive | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, time to swipe some potential threats off my server | 14:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I mean, I must be a poor system admin when I keep users on my server which have a record to abuse all kinds of IT infra and act hostile against admins/operators | 14:30 |
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| Vib3 | hehe | 14:35 |
| Vib3 | depends on who has made that list | 14:36 |
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| eddyb | omg mer/Nemo uses zypper :D | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what else? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and what's wrong with zypper? | 14:53 |
| eddyb | :D means I'm happy | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-) | 14:54 |
| eddyb | also, in another channel: <eddyb> thank God, finally something decent, apt-get was killing me | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 14:54 |
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| chem|st | *yawn* | 15:04 |
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| chem|st | eddyb: as you just mention nemo, got a link handy for sdcard install? | 15:07 |
| chem|st | without uboot | 15:07 |
| eddyb | nope, didn't find anything like that | 15:11 |
| chem|st | hmm | 15:11 |
| eddyb | wait, sd card as in external microSD? | 15:11 |
| eddyb | you can't do that without uboot | 15:11 |
| chem|st | yes | 15:11 |
| chem|st | well a modified kernel like with meego handset would be nice for a tryout | 15:12 |
| eddyb | just install uboot-pr13 | 15:12 |
| eddyb | and you can put anything you want on that microSD (that is compatible with the device) and try it | 15:13 |
| * chem|st had horrible experiences with uboot back in 2012 | 15:14 | |
| chem|st | 2010 | 15:14 |
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| eddyb | chem|st: it works fine now, except it can't find my microSD card | 15:49 |
| chem|st | hehe | 15:52 |
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| eddyb | chem|st: it was the charger being connected to USB, apparently | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | "it2 being what? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | "it" | 16:07 |
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| eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: the problem | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, almost as helpful as "it = the event that happened at 14:53" | 16:13 |
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| eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: just look at my message before that one | 16:14 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: sdcard was not recognized as the wallcharger was still connected | 16:14 |
| eddyb | "it works fine now, except it can't find my microSD card / it was the charger being connected to USB, apparently" | 16:14 |
| eddyb | in the first message it = uboot, in the second message it = the reason why the problem in the first message existed | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, when fastcharger results in system entering mass storage mode, then there's sth buggy | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, too much communicative overhead to get involved in helping | 16:16 |
| eddyb | I got Nemo booting now | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, "980M of 27G; files processed: 10451 of 453865; time: 1:31.56, remaining 47:32.41; 170.34 kB/s" -- think I'd love this dlink would be able of gbit-ethernet | 17:14 |
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| eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: you'd love 10Mbps | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I think the bottleneck is source PC's CPU which is at 100% load on one of the 2 cores, probably for SSL of ssh | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | connection is 100BT | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which vlearly should have lots of headroom to go better than 180kB/s | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | clearly* | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not that it hurts me lots if this mirgration to new laptop takes another 3 days just to copy data | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but maybe a loopmount of the diskimage of old PC on that external USB HDD would've done better | 17:24 |
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| eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: connect. mount. copy | 17:25 |
| eddyb | I once cloned my partitions, and it still took an hour | 17:25 |
| eddyb | you could check what exactly is using CPU | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I already was to type "that's easy" - then I noticed friggin KDE system monitor process table doesn't make any sense. it doesn't show any CPU hogging processes | 17:28 |
| eddyb | lolz, what CPU? | 17:28 |
| eddyb | there's a small chance it's something in the kernel | 17:29 |
| eddyb | or the network adapter | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, seems it's nothing particular, just all ssh overhead together, plus fs overhead to open() etc all those 500k files | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | copying a few >10MB files ramped bandwidth up to > 250kB/s | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ETA down to <30h now | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | killing two nspluginviewer processes ramped it up further to >275kB/s | 17:37 |
| eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: OH BIG FAIL THERE. you should've .tar.gz'd them before transfer | 17:37 |
| eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: lol, still having flash running? | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sure, I'll tar up and gz the whole 27GB $HOME, on that disk that has 300MB free space | 17:37 |
| eddyb | sepparate /home partition? bad idea | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which, even if feasible due to free disk storage, would take days for itself | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no separate home partition, why do you think I had? | 17:38 |
| Woody14619 | What FS? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ext3 on source, ext4 on dest | 17:39 |
| eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: oh, the $HOME thing, my bad | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | using mc #sh:// fs to copy | 17:40 |
| eddyb | not sftp? | 17:40 |
| Woody14619 | hmm.. odd. wonder if cpio would have been faster? :) | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eddyb: I thinks it's scp, not sftp | 17:40 |
| eddyb | SFTP>SCP, IIRC | 17:41 |
| Woody14619 | mc is single-threaded, which slows it down a lot for tiny files. Lots of overhead in the open/close bits. | 17:41 |
| eddyb | like, SCP is older and slower | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Woody14619: yeah, but mc running on dest, which is at a relaxed 8% CPU load | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | it's the ssh "link" overhead in itself I guess | 17:42 |
| Woody14619 | right, but if it's setting up connections for each file as it goes to copy it, that's a lot of overhead... | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, indeed | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's why copying of 27G seems to take 25+ hours | 17:43 |
| eddyb | I think SFTP copy+paste would be faster | 17:43 |
| eddyb | and it should work on an already running SSH server | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on the bright side though it resumes even after pulling the ethernet cable and replugging it | 17:44 |
| Woody14619 | I think tar or cpio piped through a ssh connection would have been as well. :) | 17:44 |
| eddyb | am I the only one thinking how encryption is useless in this situation? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, ETA 15:36.37 | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure it's useless | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but it's the only open service on that source PC | 17:46 |
| Woody14619 | At those speeds, a private bittorrent sever/client would be faster. :P | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe :-D | 17:46 |
| eddyb | heck, connect the two computers with an ethernet cable, and pipe cpio through a TCP connection | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as mentioned above, I'm not in a hurry | 17:46 |
| Woody14619 | well... if it's no rush... makes more time for drinking. :) | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just idly watching and wondering | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for mere academic interest | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 513kB/s ETA 12h | 17:48 |
| kke | i've got a script in event.d that does cryptdisk start, even if i do cryptdisks start || initctl emit CRYPT_OK the next task says dependent task ended with exit code 1 (i want it to fail silently and load the non-luks home) | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, interesting | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nfc about upstart | 17:51 |
| kke | i wonder if there's some strange try..catch thing that still gets the error code from timeouting cryptsetup | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ...and I heard it's quite some "fun" to debug | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kke: I guess you're close | 17:52 |
| kke | hmmm maybe if i modify the /etc/init.d/cryptdisks script to fail silently and test if the /dev/mapper -entry exists in the event.d script | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kke: sorry, noob here re cryptdisk | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but I think we got 2 or 3 users around here who played with that stuff on fremantle | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas I can't exactly recall their nicks | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: were you one of them? | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | HAH, 6 of the 8GB RAM used for buffers :-), 1GB unused | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I kinda start to love that T500 | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | age old unix saying: there's nothing to substitute real RAM, except more real RAM | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | deduplication. | 18:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 is just worried about suspend-to-disk, with RAM=8GB, swap=2GB | 18:05 | |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if nowadays suspend-to-disk creates a swapfile just for sole purpose to swap out RAM before suspend, and deletes same swapfile after resume | 18:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but then, I think I've seen kernel boot msgs like "trying to resume from /dev/sda7" | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | would quite defeat the purpose of any such swapfile approach, I guess | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, ETA 13h now, counting UP | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I probably should get rid eventually of all those backups inside backups inside backups inside backups ;-P | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wasn't there a tool to identify file of indetical content and arbitrary filenames, and 'clean' stuff out? | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | files of identical...* | 18:15 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 ponders a hash table of filesizes, calculating md5sums for those filesizes where more than one file exists | 18:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually for those hashkeys that have more than one entry | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for the files with that hashkey from their size | 18:19 |
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| kke | could it be that event.d scripts aren't bash/ash/sh/whatever scripts at all | 18:27 |
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| kke | and that's why it fails | 18:27 |
| kke | have to move that stuff to a shellscript and execute that | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | event.d are no shellscripts | 18:35 |
| kke | that might explain it | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it probably does :-) | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what really sucks in my copy-action are those files in ~user/ that are not even readable by user | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as each single one pops up a warning requester to ask whether to skip or retry, and another one to decide whether to keep or delete the copy | 18:40 |
| kke | ahhhh excellent | 18:43 |
| kke | now i got a fake home/user for finder/confiscater/jealous gf to wonder about and if i enter passphrase bilndly during boot it mounts the real home | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's pretty decent concept | 18:49 |
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| GuySoft | hey all, i have a N900 here and Canon EOS DSLR camera. is there a way to connect them with USB OTG? so i can upload pics from the camera? | 18:50 |
| Estel_ | GuySoft, of course | 18:50 |
| Estel_ | as long as it uses normal mass storage, not some propertiary closed shit | 18:50 |
| GuySoft | Estel_, i saw stuff about gphoto2, but nothing that seemed like it would work as easy | 18:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | GuySoft: Can you connect it to a normal PC, and mount it as storage - with no other software? | 18:51 |
| GuySoft | SpeedEvil, i am going to a demonstration in two hours, i dont want to take out the sd card and much about with it | 18:51 |
| GuySoft | also SpeedEvil , long time no see :) | 18:51 |
| Estel_ | GuySoft, You can use hostmode on N900 | 18:52 |
| Estel_ | then connect Your camera to it, as far as what I've askes - and SpeedEvil too - is valid | 18:53 |
| GuySoft | Estel_, I think it uses MTP or something, its not a simple storage | 18:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | hey | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Then I'm unsure of how it'd work - MTP | 18:53 |
| Estel_ | as long as we have modules for it in kernel, or drivers, available on N900, it's ok | 18:53 |
| Estel_ | same here. | 18:53 |
| Estel_ | can You connect it to linuxbox? | 18:53 |
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| Estel_ | if yes, try with N900 hostmode. If fail, determine which modules are missing (open source only) and ask Pali to include them in new version of kernel-power | 18:54 |
| Estel_ | ~hen | 18:54 |
| infobot | do ~hostmode and ~factinfo hostmode, this is your maemo council :-/ | 18:54 |
| Estel_ | eh, DocScrutinizer51 doing childlish things again | 18:55 |
| Estel_ | ~hostmode | 18:55 |
| infobot | well, hostmode is piece of crap written by morons to fry other people's devices! beware! | 18:55 |
| Estel_ | hm | 18:55 |
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| Estel_ | it seems that You won't get info about hostmode here, DocScrutinizer51 turned into masochist | 18:55 |
| Estel_ | ~factinfo hostmode | 18:56 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 18:56 |
| infobot | hostmode -- created by MohammadAG <~MohammadA@62.219.120.20> at Mon May 10 21:17:16 2010 (753 days); last modified 16h 34m 44s ago by Estel_!~Estel@lagrange.cloud-7.de; it has been requested 64 times, last by Estel_, 1m 8s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | nice provocation, although, childlish as usual. | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | whatever, GuySoft, thanks to courtesy of our pathetic chanop, You must search TMO for hostmode manually. | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | ~factinfo tmo | 18:58 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 18:58 |
| infobot | tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified 15h 28m 1s ago by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 28 times, last by chem|st, 4h 55m 17s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. | 18:58 |
| GuySoft | Estel_, i did that before i came here :-/ | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | ~tmo | 18:58 |
| infobot | tmo is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 18:58 |
| GuySoft | I think ill just have to cope with the fact that I'll have to upload the photos after the demo | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | well | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | alternatively, You can tell us about effects of trying hostmode | 18:59 |
| GuySoft | Estel_, I can't even get it to turn on - what packages do i need? | 18:59 |
| Estel_ | i.e. Your dmesg output | 19:00 |
| GuySoft | i am a n810 owner that got lent a n900, after i hard-bricked my Samsung Galaxy S 2.. so I am not sure where to go | 19:00 |
| GuySoft | Estel_, hmm let me look at that | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | what to turn on - hostmode, or camera. | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | GuySoft, install kernel-power and H-E-N package | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | then follow instructions for HEN | 19:00 |
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| GuySoft | can't seem to get anything | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | sorry, need to go shopping now, but if You provide more details about step where You have problems, I'm sure others will help | 19:01 |
| GuySoft | ok | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | "get anything" is not very precise | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | learn instructions and tell us about step that fails for You | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GuySoft: find out about Canon EOS DSLR supported USB modes. I guess there's no support in maemo-fremantle (yet?) for this MTP or whatever protocol. but I'd expect Canon as well supports mass storage mode which should 'just work' with H-E-N | 19:05 |
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| jacekowski | MTP is what all new android phones do | 19:06 |
| jacekowski | instead of mass storage mode | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | isn't it riddled by microsoft 'encryption" and authentication? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi jacekowski btw | 19:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 foggily recalls that awesome guy who did RE effort on it | 19:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if that's even been this MTP | 19:09 |
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| Estel_ | GuySoft, sorry to say that, but Your camera is using worst possible, propertiary fucked up transfer system... | 19:11 |
| Estel_ | unless it can fall back to godly mass storage | 19:12 |
| Estel_ | on linux, You can use ligphoto2 libray to handle MTP | 19:12 |
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| GuySoft | Estel_, thats cannon for you.. | 19:14 |
| jacekowski | MTP is much better thing than mass storage | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | on mobile devices it means you can access files on computer and device | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | at the same time | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | you don't need old fat partition | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | or ntfs | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | but you can have native FS for that device | 19:16 |
| jacekowski | mass storage mode should have never existed for anything but external HDDs | 19:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://bash.org/?950581 - heh | 19:20 |
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| Estel_ | jacekowski, yea, but, unfortunately, mtp is screwed at implementation level ;) | 19:33 |
| Estel_ | honestly, I hate very much every device that uses this crap, hiding real filesystem from me... | 19:33 |
| Estel_ | ...using closed clients, or whatsnot | 19:34 |
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| jacekowski | you don't need closed clients | 19:34 |
| Estel_ | maybe mass storage shouldn't existed for other things than external hdd, but in practice, it's much less PITA | 19:34 |
| Estel_ | ok, maybe something changed. I remember creative zen using mtp... | 19:34 |
| Estel_ | and all headache it provided even on bare win xp, not to mention linux | 19:35 |
| jacekowski | well, there is only limited support for mtp on xp | 19:35 |
| Estel_ | so, what You would suggest for using mtp on N900? which modules we need? | 19:35 |
| jacekowski | but on linux mtp works like any other stuff | 19:35 |
| Estel_ | and linux, except for kde I/O? | 19:35 |
| jacekowski | you can just mount it | 19:35 |
| Estel_ | and perform operations on filesystem? | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | yes | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | mtpfs | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | ok, so I revoke what I've said - You mean that You're actually having control over *real* filesystem on device, instead virtual one? | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | I was sure than all filesystem things are handled, in reality, via device, not computer OS | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | and that it was purpose of MTP | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | i.e. "You get only what device allows You to get" | 19:37 |
| jacekowski | yes | 19:37 |
| jacekowski | yes | 19:37 |
| jacekowski | you can't mess with fs directly as such | 19:37 |
| jacekowski | but device can forward all calls pretty much | 19:38 |
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| Estel_ | isn't it limited by device's manufacturers, most of the time? | 19:38 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: but then on n900 you wouldn't have that problem of having 2G of space for apps and 30G mydocs | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | I have 5GB for apps and 10 for MyDocs ;) | 19:39 |
| jacekowski | it would be all 32G for apps/mydocs | 19:39 |
| jacekowski | and it woudn't have to be umounted to access it from PC | 19:39 |
| Estel_ | + I'm exporting encrypted truecrypt partitions to desktop, with all encryption done on N900 side | 19:39 |
| Estel_ | desktop sees it as normal mass storage | 19:39 |
| Estel_ | BTW, I don't unmount mydocs before accessing it from PC | 19:40 |
| jacekowski | yes you do | 19:40 |
| Estel_ | I just make sure than device doesn't write to it simulatenously | 19:40 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 19:40 |
| Estel_ | no, I don't | 19:40 |
| jacekowski | good luck with fucked up FS | 19:40 |
| Estel_ | using it for more than year | 19:40 |
| jacekowski | remouting rw doesn't clear inode cache | 19:40 |
| jacekowski | or anything | 19:40 |
| Estel_ | never *ever* any filesystem error on vfat | 19:40 |
| Estel_ | out of curiosity, I'm checking it periodicaly | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | but with MTP you could have rw access all the time | 19:41 |
| Estel_ | true. | 19:41 |
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| Estel_ | but, again, isn't messing with filesystem limited by manufacturer's of mtp devices, most of the time? | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | not really | 19:42 |
| Estel_ | i.e. they decide what to forward, and what not? | 19:42 |
| Estel_ | ok. | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | they can | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | but it depends on devices | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | on my phone i have access to / | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | by default | 19:42 |
| Estel_ | hm, and, BTW, isn't MTP propertiary/closed? royalty fees etc? | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | nope | 19:42 |
| Estel_ | so, it's licensed like what? | 19:43 |
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| jacekowski | it's not | 19:43 |
| jacekowski | it's free for all | 19:44 |
| jacekowski | unlike fat that is licenced | 19:44 |
| Estel_ | everything is licensed some way, even if FFA ;) | 19:44 |
| Estel_ | either it's GPL'ed, BSD, or whatever | 19:44 |
| Estel_ | xipg ogg is licensed also, using FOSS way | 19:44 |
| Estel_ | how it looks with mtp? | 19:44 |
| Estel_ | can't find reliable data about it... | 19:45 |
| Estel_ | beside being standarized by USB foundation | 19:45 |
| Estel_ | and, again, how to use it properly on N900, like in GuySoft case? | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | well, specification is public and available for free | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | you would need mtpfs | 19:45 |
| Estel_ | what modules do we need to have compiled in kernel? | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | and libmtp | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | and libusb | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | on n900 | 19:45 |
| Estel_ | libusb? why so? | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | mtpfs is a fuse thing | 19:46 |
| Estel_ | hostmode and libmtp isn't enough? | 19:46 |
| Estel_ | I see. | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | libmtp requires libusb to talk to usb devices | 19:46 |
| Estel_ | understood | 19:46 |
| Estel_ | will talk with KP team about including it | 19:46 |
| Estel_ | mtpfs, I mean | 19:47 |
| eddyb | fake libusb should make that easier to RE :P | 19:47 |
| Estel_ | libmtp and libusb are in userland? | 19:47 |
| Estel_ | but why RE it, if it's open, according to jacekowski ? | 19:47 |
| Estel_ | or it isn't? | 19:47 |
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| Estel_ | afaik it's standarized by usb foundation, so all info should be available? or not? | 19:48 |
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| kke | any easy way to detect if lens cover is open via shellscript? | 20:08 |
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| eddyb | kke: might be implemented as an input device | 20:10 |
| eddyb | let me check | 20:10 |
| Estel_ | wow, I wasn't aware, that there are such lightweight irc bouncers as dircproxy or miau | 20:10 |
| Estel_ | it seems, that I can install it on WRT54GL's jffs2 even *without* doing sd card mod | 20:10 |
| Estel_ | miau is 50 kb 0_o | 20:11 |
| Pali | jacekowski, did you find something about nolo yesterday? | 20:14 |
| eddyb | kke: I found it | 20:14 |
| kke | cool | 20:15 |
| eddyb | cat /dev/input/by-path/platform-gpio-keys-event | 20:15 |
| kke | nice | 20:16 |
| eddyb | lens cover, keyboard being extended, the two-state photo button, the volume buttons, the lock slider | 20:16 |
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| kke | but i don't have such path | 20:22 |
| kke | there's only keypad, pwrbutton and ts | 20:23 |
| eddyb | well, right now I'm on Mer | 20:24 |
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| kke | cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state # (open / closed) | 20:26 |
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| eddyb | seriously? | 20:27 |
| eddyb | kke: I guess that works better for you :P | 20:27 |
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| vi__ | what is the resolution of the n900 screen? | 21:24 |
| vi__ | 800x480 | 21:25 |
| Pali | vi__, yes | 21:27 |
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| kke | moving MyDocs/DCIM to /home/user/DCIM doesn't quite seem to work | 21:40 |
| kke | i have no idea where my pic got saved now | 21:40 |
| kke | not into the DCIM atleast | 21:40 |
| kke | and i was thinking about symlinking it from MyDocs but it's vfat so no go | 21:41 |
| eddyb | kke: what are you trying to do? | 21:41 |
| kke | make camera save pics to /home/user/DCIM instead of MyDocs/DCIM | 21:42 |
| eddyb | why? | 21:42 |
| eddyb | have you tried looking for some configs? | 21:43 |
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| eddyb | maybe it's not hardcoded into the app | 21:43 |
| kke | because my home/user is encrypted | 21:43 |
| kke | it's in .config/user-dirs.dirs | 21:43 |
| eddyb | you can make MyDocs be a regular directory btw | 21:43 |
| kke | i changed it but pics still don't go there | 21:43 |
| eddyb | like, you can disable mounting for it | 21:44 |
| eddyb | and then it will be encrypted | 21:44 |
| eddyb | you can set the mount dir for the FAT partition somewhere else | 21:44 |
| eddyb | check /etc/fstab | 21:44 |
| hiemanshu | /etc/fstab isnt followed | 21:45 |
| hiemanshu | its hard coded | 21:45 |
| eddyb | hiemanshu: are you kidding me? | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 21:45 |
| eddyb | hardcoded vfat->/home/user/MyDocs mount? | 21:46 |
| kke | something autogenerates fstab | 21:46 |
| kke | if you change it, it will be overwritten on boot | 21:46 |
| kke | but i'd like to keep MyDocs as t is | 21:46 |
| kke | and just store the camera pics somewhere else | 21:46 |
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| hiemanshu | kke: softlink | 21:47 |
| b-man` | hey guys :) | 21:47 |
| eddyb | hiemanshu: vfat | 21:47 |
| hiemanshu | oh yeah, i keep forgetting that | 21:47 |
| eddyb | we thought about links in FAT at pedigree, didn't come up with a solution better than some sort of database | 21:48 |
| kke | can i mount to dir on vfat? | 21:49 |
| kke | then i could just mount dcim there from a container or something | 21:50 |
| eddyb | kke: I just thought of that | 21:50 |
| eddyb | but I don't think you can really do it | 21:51 |
| eddyb | like, in a way that's useful to you | 21:52 |
| kke | well i could just remount my /home/user to that DCIM and have the pics in user's root | 21:53 |
| kke | let's try | 21:54 |
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| hiemanshu | you can make a new partition at the end and add it to startup script to mount the partition to that folder | 21:55 |
| kke | i'm ok with having them in root of /home/user for now | 21:58 |
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| eddyb | wait | 21:59 |
| eddyb | maybe you can replace the FAT32 partition with an ext one | 22:00 |
| kke | too much trouble | 22:00 |
| eddyb | and it would mount ext | 22:00 |
| hiemanshu | lol dont do that | 22:00 |
| eddyb | that you could encrypt | 22:00 |
| eddyb | hiemanshu: why? | 22:00 |
| hiemanshu | eddyb: hard-coded, wont work | 22:01 |
| eddyb | does the hardcoded fstab use "vfat"? | 22:01 |
| eddyb | damn | 22:01 |
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| hiemanshu | eddyb: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash | 22:03 |
| eddyb | too fugly | 22:05 |
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| orangey | hello all! | 22:11 |
| orangey | any idea if syncevolution supports single ICS files? | 22:12 |
| Cor-Ai | 3 | 22:12 |
| Cor-Ai | hmm.. wrong window | 22:12 |
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| vi__ | fstab is not hardcoded as such. | 22:20 |
| vi__ | It is just autogenerated on each boot. | 22:20 |
| vi__ | From a specific set of rules. | 22:20 |
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| Estel_ | vi__, any way to change path where photos are stored? | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | I would love to move them to my encrypted truecrypt partition... | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | although. You know, vfat and symlinks... ;) | 22:29 |
| vi__ | camera-ui2? | 22:37 |
| Pali | Estel_, I pushed new version of bootmenu to extras-devel & extras-testing | 22:37 |
| fizzie | A bind mount might technically work too. (Isn't that what /opt is?) | 22:38 |
| vi__ | just about to say tah | 22:38 |
| Pali | with fixed evkey symlink | 22:38 |
| vi__ | that | 22:38 |
| vi__ | you have 2 choices. | 22:38 |
| vi__ | Alter camera-ui2 source to accept a path to store photos. | 22:38 |
| vi__ | (the preferal solution) | 22:39 |
| vi__ | 2. you could bind mount it. | 22:39 |
| vi__ | Look up 'crazy mounting shit all over the place' thread that I wrote some time ago. | 22:39 |
| Pali | I promoted bootmenu package to extras-testing | 22:40 |
| vi__ | Bear in mind though, when you bind mount somthing to either SD card directory or MyDocs directory you will have to unmount it before you can export it via USB. (the directory that is) | 22:41 |
| vi__ | Pali: Get in my son! | 22:42 |
| Pali | after testing vote for moving to extras: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bootmenu/1.12/ | 22:42 |
| vi__ | ~tmo | 22:43 |
| infobot | from memory, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 22:43 |
| vi__ | ~t-mo | 22:43 |
| infobot | rumour has it, t-mo is T-Mobile | 22:43 |
| vi__ | ~buttocks | 22:45 |
| vi__ | ~nards | 22:45 |
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| vi__ | ~cornholio | 22:47 |
| infobot | apt is THE GREAT CORNHOLIO!!! | 22:47 |
| vi__ | ~infobot | 22:47 |
| infobot | rumour has it, infobot is happy, or a liar | 22:47 |
| vi__ | ~infobot | 22:48 |
| vi__ | ~infobot | 22:48 |
| infobot | methinks infobot is happy, or a liar | 22:48 |
| vi__ | hello infobot | 22:48 |
| Pali | WTF? | 22:48 |
| Pali | somebody has my account name on maemo.org! | 22:49 |
| vi__ | ?? | 22:49 |
| Pali | see voting on: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bootmenu/1.12/ | 22:49 |
| Pali | there is 3x vote from my name | 22:49 |
| Pali | vi__, see ^^^ | 22:50 |
| vi__ | that package has 0 out of 6 votes | 22:51 |
| Pali | I see 3 of 6 | 22:52 |
| vi__ | oh wait, now I see them. | 22:52 |
| vi__ | They all appeared at EXACTLY the same time. | 22:53 |
| Pali | but how? | 22:53 |
| vi__ | Maybe because you are such a badass, when you vote it is like 3 mortal votes? | 22:53 |
| Estel_ | hahaha | 22:55 |
| Estel_ | it seems that Pali is supertester without knowing it | 22:55 |
| vi__ | how can i be a supertester? | 22:55 |
| Pali | it is really intereting... DocScrutinizer wrote that maemo.org does not working correctly in weekends... | 22:55 |
| Estel_ | vi___, thanks a lot, aso we actually can mount -o bind things from vfat? good to know | 22:55 |
| Estel_ | Pali, DocScrutinizer51 wrote many things, and 90% of them are bullshit nowadays :( | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's just a common observation | 22:56 |
| Estel_ | lemme investigate | 22:56 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, see votes on: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bootmenu/1.12/ | 22:56 |
| Estel_ | it seems, that You've clicked 3 times ;) | 22:56 |
| Pali | it is bug? | 22:56 |
| Pali | but it is not possible to vote for one package more times | 22:57 |
| Estel_ | looks like bug | 22:57 |
| Estel_ | or really you're super-duper tester | 22:57 |
| vi__ | Estel_: technically you mount TO position in file system. | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I know I'm always sending multiple comments on that packages page, as the web interface is so slow | 22:57 |
| Pali | Estel_, then we could find way how to reproduce this bug and tell about it to people which can be super super super testers :D | 22:58 |
| Estel_ | :D | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | yea, single vote = promotion | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | if supertester have double vote... | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | x3... | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | lemme tyr to reproduce it | 22:59 |
| Pali | instant promotion :-) | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | can't reproduce | 23:00 |
| spark666 | hey i need a quick answer,i want to install easy debian,whats the difference between "Este" and "sulu" images? | 23:00 |
| Estel_ | it seems you'r ejust super powa | 23:00 |
| spark666 | estel* | 23:00 |
| Estel_ | ? | 23:00 |
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| Estel_ | spark666, Estel's image contain LibreOffice | 23:01 |
| Estel_ | and chromium | 23:01 |
| Estel_ | while sulu's image contain neither | 23:01 |
| spark666 | and sulu?whats the more closer to full debian? | 23:01 |
| Estel_ | none is "closer" | 23:01 |
| spark666 | so estel its better,contains more | 23:01 |
| spark666 | i mean in the term of more features | 23:01 |
| Estel_ | sulu image was posted before mine, so You may consider mine kinda "updated" | 23:01 |
| Estel_ | but, if You want barebone edition, You have less uninstall using sulus | 23:02 |
| spark666 | ohh so estel its yours,nice ! | 23:02 |
| Estel_ | :) thanks a lot, I hope it will work for You as supposed :p | 23:02 |
| Estel_ | yea, surprise, judging by name?;) | 23:02 |
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| Estel_ | if You want more features, use mine, as it contain LibreOffice and Chromium. If You don't use those, install sulu's | 23:02 |
| spark666 | nope,i was thinking about that since i dont belive in coincidences :P | 23:03 |
| spark666 | damn! i closed the terminal by mistake =))) | 23:03 |
| Estel_ | anyone here got experiences with optware? | 23:05 |
| Estel_ | as nslu2-general channel seems quite dead | 23:05 |
| spark666 | Estel_: anyway ill be back to tell you if it work.Tnx one more time for answers and your contribution.cheers! | 23:05 |
| Estel_ | no problem, have fun :) | 23:05 |
| vi__ | biltong is good | 23:08 |
| vi__ | ~biltong | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin amazing I can restart sshd via ssh login and even change the ssh-port, and still the established ssh login shell stays ;-D | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess sshd is spawning an independent process for each active login session, and that process survives restart and even reconfig of server | 23:14 |
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| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer51: old | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe, but every time a nice surprise | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe this less 'old': sftp 3 times faster than rsync | 23:30 |
| r00t|home | rather, everytime you restart xdm from your xsession, you're in for an unpleasant surprise | 23:31 |
| r00t|home | for what use-case? | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for copying 27GB | 23:31 |
| r00t|home | in a single file or 2mil files? | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 2E6 files | 23:31 |
| r00t|home | the fastest: tarpipe via tcp | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, several such suggestions since some hours now ;-) I had several resumes though as well | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as this friggin hw is not all rock solid | 23:32 |
| r00t|home | then rsync is kinda superior | 23:32 |
| Estel_ | yea, managed to install optware in my 1024 KB jffs2 space of wrt54GL :D | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so even this awesome sftp stalled after maybe 60% accomplished | 23:32 |
| r00t|home | but more efficient on a single large file probably | 23:33 |
| Estel_ | and dircproxy, then, I have even 300 kb of space left :P | 23:33 |
| Estel_ | that's minimalism. | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this 3 times figure is from xfer speed on files >100MB | 23:33 |
| Estel_ | fully working irc bouncer using 70 kb of space (optware itself uses rest :P) | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | where sftp maxes out the 100BT cable, while rsync stalls at ~3MB | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MB/s | 23:34 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer51: cpu-bound on either end? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, on source | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 100% load on one of both cores | 23:34 |
| r00t|home | remember that rsync does lots of fancy hashing, unlike sftp | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I gues that's the price you pay for smart resume and sync | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably a dd via a TCP connection to a diskimage on the destination machine woul've been accomplished 6h ago | 23:36 |
| r00t|home | dd is useless | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, if I'm willing to take the risk of "fs corrupted" on that disk image, then it isn't | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | loopmount the image, run fschk | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fsck | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and would even allow ultra-easy resume ;-P | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as it's one single "file" after all | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dd if=/dev/sda6|socat | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | socat|dd of=~/oldPCbackup/sda6.img | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if it stalls, just resume on the position in dev/sda6 where it did | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure you never should do backups from live fs | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | home/jr/Documents/N900/N950/Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 584612813 100% 3.05MB/s 0:03:02 (xfer#203260, to-check=1014/211639) | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | home/jr/Documents/N900/N950/Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916__shortened_version.bin | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 583250893 100% 3.18MB/s 0:02:54 (xfer#203261, to-check=1013/211639) | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sftp gets all that's available from 100BT for such files - which is sth >11MB/s | 23:49 |
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