IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-06-01

Estel_	ok, challenge accepted. Time for processing this, 5 years?;)	00:00
chem\|st	Estel_: end of ralley	00:00
Estel_	chem\|st, in fact he wan't be here, but You know, he is not payed 8 hours worker. Lately, alst few days, he was using 100% free time to process submissions	00:00
SpeedEvil	Estel_: clearly when nokia files chapter 11.	00:00
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, BTw, if Nokia go bankrupt and no one wil;l ever care about fate of loaned N950, can we consider it's owned too? ;)	00:00
Estel_	SpeedEvil, we're thinking about same things	00:01
SpeedEvil	more seriously - has any of the n900s - which must be closing on 3 years - been 'given'	00:01
SpeedEvil	Estel_: If they go bankrupt - they are the assets of the reciever	00:01
Estel_	+ has any of "loaned" N900 were requested back, or someone selling them on Ebay bashed?	00:01
Estel_	sure, as long as all owners, erm, loaners, won't say that they got destroyed in an accident	00:02
DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil: none	00:02
* RST38h passed his loaned N900 to the next developer,who squandered it		00:02
Estel_	+, after 50 years, N950's, which were only ~400 made, by legendary, soon deceased company Nokia...	00:02
Estel_	would be sold on auction for $$$$$	00:02
Estel_	RST38h, but You passed it because You wanted it, or Nokia demanded it?	00:02
chem\|st	EOL Estel_	00:03
RST38h	I passed it because I promised to return it to Nokia	00:03
DocScrutinizer51	Estel_: because nobody ever asked that question	00:03
Estel_	RST38h, which means You passed it because You wanted to.	00:04
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RST38h	No	00:04
DocScrutinizer51	no, because he's not an asshat	00:04
chem\|st	all devices were ordered back afair, quim then said that coders may request an extend and he will make it happen	00:04
RST38h	I signed a paper saying I will pass it. So, I did what I promised in that paper	00:04
Estel_	BTW, devices for current activities were promsied to be "owned", until someone started to talk on TMO how much exzpensively they can be sold...	00:04
RST38h	what is this estel guy's point, anyway?	00:05
Estel_	and changed to "i don't know yet"	00:05
Estel_	I'm sure, aftert end of activitie,s it will be stated that they're "owned" again	00:05
chem\|st	Estel_: ehrm disclosure says if lost you pay it!	00:05
Estel_	RST38h, honestly, you could change Your trolling attitude	00:05
DocScrutinizer51	(pre-)summit loaners were even different to later DDP	00:05
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Estel_	You're jumping in middle of discussion, without even reading backlog for sanity sake...	00:06
Estel_	and You have long history of doing so ;)	00:06
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Estel_	do you even know what we're discussing about, in wider context?	00:06
Estel_	if no, happy trolling, but not with me ;)	00:06
Estel_	chem\|st, Hm, sounds strange	00:06
chem\|st	Estel_: don't pretend to be an IRCelder...	00:07
Estel_	MAG's device got damaged	00:07
Estel_	and nokia replaced it fo free	00:07
Estel_	even 2 times	00:07
chem\|st	damaged is not lost...	00:07
Estel_	yea, when truck pass on it	00:07
chem\|st	just by reading your own senteces you could answere your own questions... RST38h +1	00:07
* DocScrutinizer51 watches Estel_ rowing hybris		00:07
Estel_	it will be also "damaged" ;)	00:07
DocScrutinizer51	growing*	00:07
Estel_	hybr what?;)	00:08
* chem\|st pops a fresh beer and grabs some of ChanServ's popcorn		00:09
chem\|st	~popcorn	00:09
infobot	it has been said that popcorn is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0f2YL_MThI, which is epic.	00:09
chem\|st	^^	00:09
* DocScrutinizer51 remarks that Estel_ is triggering troll alarm 4 times a day at average, while RST38h usually doesn't, at all		00:10
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, honestly, i've been reading RST38h "participations" during last few months...	00:10
Estel_	and IMO, he seems to appear here ONLY when ther eis a chance to troll a little	00:10
Estel_	if You enjoy it, take Your time	00:10
DocScrutinizer51	ooh, I hope you used the opportunity to read your won as well ;-P	00:10
Estel_	I've said what I had to said about it, and don't see any sense in continuation.	00:10
Estel_	well, after all, same can be told about Your "you won't hijack CSSU" and similar ;)	00:11
Estel_	...so don't worry, rpobably evereyone have little trollish part inside.	00:11
DocScrutinizer51	see, exactly meeting definition of trolling	00:11
DocScrutinizer51	YOU, not me	00:11
DocScrutinizer51	with your very last post	00:11
Estel_	yea, because You're not doing it too, religiously ;)	00:12
Estel_	Really, is it good reason to start useless argue?	00:12
Estel_	everyone is prone to use sophism from time to time.	00:12
Estel_	someone tleling he is never sophism'ish, is like someone who say "I never lie"	00:13
Estel_	either damn demagogish, or liar ;)	00:13
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Estel_	so, i'll conclude it with religious "Who is not guilty, shall throw popcorn first"	00:13
* chem\|st thows popcorn at Estel_		00:14
Estel_	ouh!	00:14
DocScrutinizer51	one thing's for sure: you love to see hear your own talking / read own writing. And you love to have last 20 posts on any topic, arguing why nobody should do a single post about it	00:14
Estel_	chem\|st, living saints doesn't count :p	00:14
Estel_	chillout, Doc.	00:14
Estel_	you're not pulling me into another argue with You ;)	00:15
Estel_	reeeesssist...	00:15
DocScrutinizer51	see, you're doing it again	00:15
DocScrutinizer51	exact definition of trolling, sorry	00:15
* Estel_ LOL as quietly as possible, to not wake up son, and head to read 15 new mails on council's account		00:15
DocScrutinizer51	and /me away now, for good	00:15
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Estel_	LOLOLOL	00:30
Estel_	I know I'm late	00:30
Estel_	but sifo's submission, being - whole quotation:	00:30
Estel_	"any device"	00:30
Estel_	really owns	00:30
Estel_	just yesterday, he tried to "submit" to mailing list, by spamming mails to list, containing only his email address...	00:30
Estel_	now that.	00:30
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Estel_	well, if it's "any device", maybe we should grant him Nokia 1100	00:31
Estel_	http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/19337/nokia-1100-300.jpeg	00:31
DocScrutinizer51	wait for mine: "N9"	00:31
MrPingu	Give him atleast the old trusty 3310 then :P	00:31
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Estel_	DocScrutinizer, the differenc eis that - if You include also your TMO link and word "submissions" - you may actually receive it ;P	00:32
Estel_	s/submissions/submission/	00:32
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infobot	Estel_ meant: DocScrutinizer, the differenc eis that - if You include also your TMO link and word "submission" - you may actually receive it ;P	00:32
vi__	Don't be so cruel. There will be a lot of disappointed people after this competition is finished.	00:33
Estel_	yea, a LOTTA hell of them	00:33
Estel_	I just hope that making real contributors happy will be at least as much fun as dissapointing the rest	00:33
Estel_	(joke)	00:33
MrPingu	That Sifo guy really seemed nice :P	00:34
Estel_	vi___, after all, you can submit to, and in case of win, actually, sell whatever prize, then use money to donate all Maemo projects You love - at the same time, writing open letter about how You hate Nokia :P	00:34
Estel_	not that i'm teasing to do so.	00:34
Estel_	"Any device. Now. sifo"	00:34
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MrPingu	He contacted me on PM @TMO, said sorry after I corrected him somewhere	00:35
MrPingu	Was afraid to spam the thread	00:35
Estel_	well, yesterday, I explained to him - via PM - that of cours ehe can submit...	00:35
Estel_	(he asked me about how to - ye3a, he failed to do so even after being given correct steps)	00:35
Estel_	but	00:35
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Estel_	I asked him if he doesn't think, that it's little embarassing to submit, considering his short contributing history	00:36
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Estel_	well, he didn't answered, but it seems that it isn't any problem for him ;)	00:36
MrPingu	He has good intentions, but he just fails a bit	00:36
vi__	Estel_: he is probably just a kid.	00:36
MrPingu	He is :P	00:36
Estel_	vi, i expected more comment on my idea of what You would do with prize, hah	00:36
MrPingu	1 year younger than I am	00:36
vi__	hah. IF i won the prize I desire...	00:37
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vi__	I would do this:	00:37
Estel_	warning, porn incoming :P	00:38
vi__	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJBKyTfCjCc	00:38
Estel_	hey, vi, You nominated Yourself	00:38
Estel_	I started top read it now	00:39
Estel_	but it's interesting, to sya at least, from the very beginning	00:39
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vi__	it was supposed to be tongue in cheek.	00:39
chem\|st	Estel_: thought you went reading council mails...	00:40
vi__	the polar opposite of all the 'There are loads of people more deserving that me, but maybe you will choose me anyway' apologetic type entries.	00:40
Estel_	chem\|st, done with that already, next step[ is community list	00:41
Estel_	vi_, I see. Well, at least this one is interesting to read (like Pali's one, for example)	00:41
DocScrutinizer51	fsckng ZNC kills my battery in 8h, for good, since I connected a second (Konversation) client	00:41
Estel_	(i mean Pali's one was interesting also)	00:41
Estel_	~ZNC	00:42
Estel_	although for other reasons	00:42
vi__	It is like the crayon pretend hand written credits for that movie juno.	00:42
Atarii	is "Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z" the correct VM to download for Maemo 5 developing?	00:42
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Estel_	vi_, but You also did a suicude shot by accepting only n950, not only setting is as preffered one?	00:44
Estel_	sounds like tactical errror, doesn't seem in line with content of that submission :P	00:44
vi__	nope	00:44
Estel_	hah, but reply to your email is great	00:44
vi__	if I wanted an n9 I would have bought one by now.	00:44
Estel_	"and your maemo username is?"	00:44
vi__	!	00:45
Estel_	not to mention that it's in title	00:45
Estel_	well, someone probably took it as vi as vi in /usr/bin	00:45
Estel_	I'm sure your nomination will make some interesting talks during deciding ;)	00:46
MrPingu	Atarii, yes it is. Atleast I use it...	00:46
Atarii	thanks MrPingu :)	00:46
Estel_	MrPingu, while i appreciate Your nomination, I haven't though you will do it really this way	00:47
Estel_	personally, i like it, but i'm also afraid it's going to bring another legion of negatrons to Ca project	00:47
Estel_	like all those	00:47
Estel_	"this project is grotesque" etc	00:47
Estel_	well	00:47
Estel_	after all, i couldn't care less, so... :P	00:48
Estel_	ah, sorry, haven't noticed 2nd part	00:48
Estel_	it's a little... erm, overpowered by first one ;)	00:48
Estel_	so everything is ok ;)	00:49
MrPingu	Estel_, told ya about the dragon :P	00:49
Estel_	well, I would be a little embarasse dif you would end mail after first part	00:49
Estel_	but as a whole it's nice :)	00:49
Estel_	next year we must think about something for, erm, creativity	00:50
chem\|st	so count is 18 with even pingu as newcomer..	00:50
chem\|st	if I remember right	00:50
Estel_	personal opinion, not related to being councilor - IMO pingu have nice chances, currently	00:51
Estel_	You may be not aware, but he is very, very contributing @ tmo	00:51
MrPingu	Estel_ I made sure everything you needed was written down first	00:51
Estel_	and I mean this proper mean of "contributing"	00:51
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MrPingu	It's only in the small things though.	00:52
MrPingu	chem\|sist, only 18 submissions?	00:54
Estel_	no, he mean people that he think deserve prize	00:56
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MrPingu	Estel_ , you said widelands was working for you @TMO	00:58
Estel_	yea	00:58
MrPingu	I am missing LibGLU.so.1 any chance you could find out which package contains that fiel?	01:00
MrPingu	*file	01:00
MrPingu	Can you check if you have these packages installed: freeglut3 or libglu1-mesa	01:03
MrPingu	while I typed that, I thought, I need the latter :P	01:03
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Estel_	no problem, wait a sec	01:05
Estel_	I remember this error	01:05
MrPingu	Yeah, I fixed it by installing libglu1-mesa	01:05
Estel_	so, there is no problem now?	01:06
MrPingu	nope :)	01:06
Estel_	(other than dependency problem with widelands)	01:06
Estel_	OK :)	01:06
MrPingu	Atleast, not that I am aware of	01:07
chem\|st	Estel_: sure... but recently started is not like contributing for years is it? nvm currently anyone who did anything good to the community may still get a device...	01:08
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chem\|st	MrPingu: in my opinion non-coders first, community-coders second and $coder last	01:10
chem\|st	the count of '18' is without $coder	01:10
MrPingu	Actually I fully agree, this program was meant for community deeds other than coding	01:11
chem\|st	it was... but somehow isn't anymore	01:12
MrPingu	Sure, community-coders can't submit their "app" so I guess they can join this programm	01:12
chem\|st	yes	01:12
vi__	what was the last build of fennec for the n900?	01:14
Estel_	chem\|st, would agree, but a) rules stated "contributed for past months/years" and b) we're going to consider ammount of contribution, not necessary timeline. Sure, contributing @ high ammount for many years is going to be additional bonus...	01:17
Estel_	...and, probably, someone registered on 2012 have 0 chances for device - except for exceptional ;) cases, which, currently, i'm not aware of...	01:17
Estel_	but, it's not required to be "old timer" to win	01:17
Estel_	even good ammoutn of contribution during past year can be enough. Of cours eit depends on other submission's quality	01:18
beford	hopefully davidp applies for something, would be nice to have a J2ME vm on harmattan	01:18
Estel_	beford, CA program isn't mean to boost harma	01:18
Estel_	BTW, j2me on harm is available for ages	01:18
chem\|st	vi__: 7.0.1-2	01:18
Estel_	via Davy's package	01:18
MrPingu	chem\|st that's not the last, I have seen fennec 12 for N900	01:19
Estel_	3rd, if You wan't him to submit, jsut talk with him	01:19
Estel_	inform him about program (he may not be aware of)	01:20
Estel_	and write him why You think he should submit	01:20
Estel_	after all, faciliating communication is one of "hidden goals" of this program	01:20
chem\|st	MrPingu: that is the one from devel	01:20
beford	i said something	01:20
beford	not CA	01:20
Estel_	due to self-submissions, people need to TALK with own "idols", not only thjrow names in hat	01:20
chem\|st	at least I upgraded yesterday	01:20
Estel_	chem\|st, veriso in devel is outdated	01:20
Estel_	vi_, you will be dissapointed, fennec on Maemo suxx balld	01:20
MrPingu	+1: used once and never again	01:21
chem\|st	Estel_: the version on ovi is even older...	01:21
Estel_	even marking text for copying/paste isn't officvially implemented, lol	01:21
chem\|st	I use it for syncing	01:21
Estel_	chem\|st, I'msurprised that anyone ever care for Ovi, i.e. submit anything there	01:21
Estel_	I see.	01:21
Estel_	yea, syncing can be a pros. Personally, I use other services to achieve that	01:22
nox-	as someone here once said, fennec eats ram like candy	01:22
chem\|st	copy urls from it my desktop saves to sync folder... only	01:22
Estel_	fennec doesn't offer full browser features - like chromium or iceweasel via ED - yet, it's much slower than microB	01:22
Estel_	microB owns it and do circle arround fennec	01:22
Estel_	circles*	01:22
MrPingu	I only go to for airport and connect4, 2 good really nice games IMO	01:22
Estel_	considering engine behind microB and it's legacy, it's a big LOL	01:23
nox-	Estel_, if n900 had 1G RAM fennec probably would be pretty usable...	01:23
MrPingu	if...	01:23
Estel_	...but still lacking features	01:23
nox-	yeah	01:23
Estel_	....to justify being so much resource hungry	01:24
nox-	yeah	01:24
Estel_	with 1Gb of ram I would be using chromium via Ed without any slowdowns, and either way wouldn't care about fennced :) BTw, i'm using chromium even with our 256 MB of RAM...	01:24
Estel_	many times, with 20+ TMO tabs opened	01:24
Estel_	I got a habit of enabling everything from TMO control panel first, then, rerad and eventually reply and close one by one	01:25
Estel_	works exceptionally well, even considering swapping	01:25
nox-	heh i hadn't even noticed n900 has chromium...	01:25
Estel_	you won't find it in repos	01:25
nox-	oh	01:25
Estel_	I use iot via Easy Debian	01:25
MrPingu	I don't get it, never got it as smooth as you saying	01:25
vi__	I think I am managing to make 64MB ramz stable.	01:25
Estel_	MrPingu, maybe i'm just more proof for getting irritated by slowdowns?:P	01:25
vi__	so was wandering about fennec.	01:25
Estel_	MrPingu, tried swap-related settings as per Ed threaD?	01:25
Estel_	i.e. ones suggested by freemangordon and me?	01:26
vi__	however if it has no features then...meh	01:26
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Estel_	bundled with swap on microSd and Ed on native partition?	01:26
Estel_	vi_, fennec is like opera mini, except that it run 10 time slower	01:26
MrPingu	Yes, i even have it saved :P	01:26
Estel_	MrPingu, hm, hoe your slowdowns look like?	01:26
Estel_	i.e. how you "perceive" it?	01:27
vi__	so...quite useless.	01:27
MrPingu	swap on uSD however no partitions?	01:27
Estel_	Honestly, I wonder what for freemangordon is using Opera mini - I have strong dislike for this browser... Just curiosity	01:27
Estel_	MrPingu? I don't understand?	01:27
MrPingu	popular sites are quite good optimized for opera mini	01:28
vi__	estel probably for the server side rendering.	01:28
Estel_	vi_, it's achievable without opera mini	01:28
MrPingu	Besides opera mini has really good data-compression	01:28
vi__	and tiny footprint.	01:28
Estel_	probably You're right. I'm, OTOH, doing everything to not allow sites showing me mobile version of pages	01:29
Estel_	under any circumstances :P	01:29
MrPingu	What don't you understand?	01:29
Estel_	<MrPingu> swap on uSD however no partitions?	01:29
vi__	sometimes the mobile site is better.	01:29
vi__	MrPingu: he means a swap file.	01:30
MrPingu	Hmm I fail at writing :P	01:30
Estel_	probably right, either I don't even like google mobile view, so about others...	01:30
Estel_	It jsut seem crippled.	01:30
MrPingu	I meant swap is on uSD but I have no dedicated partition for ED	01:30
Estel_	MrPingu, theoretically, proper swap file should be ok...	01:30
Estel_	But I use dedicated partition for it	01:30
Estel_	ah	01:30
Estel_	well	01:31
Estel_	so it must be slow	01:31
Estel_	as loopback file from vfat or whatsnot is much slower than native debian partition	01:31
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MrPingu	I have dedicated partition for swap too ;)	01:31
vi__	what must be slow?	01:31
vi__	a swap file?	01:31
Estel_	vi_, Easy Debian via image file instead of dedicated partition	01:31
vi__	I wanna see some numbers first.	01:31
MrPingu	I see, time to hook my device to pc and use Gparted	01:32
Estel_	vi__, some posted on Ed thread	01:32
Estel_	MrPingu, yes, or use gparted from within ED	01:32
Estel_	if You're not resizing partition, where Ed reside :P	01:32
Estel_	as it would bring fun results	01:32
Estel_	BTw, I would love some CLI to easy re-partitioning from recovery console	01:33
vi__	cfdisk	01:34
Estel_	i.e. writing partitions and their sizes, where CLI handles rest	01:34
Estel_	hm?	01:34
vi__	you know cfdisk?	01:34
Estel_	yea, but it's usable fromk within backupmenu root console?	01:34
Estel_	or recovery shell root console?	01:34
Estel_	remember, most things aren't mounted there	01:34
Estel_	proper CLI for our needs should intelligently mount necessary things	01:34
Estel_	and cp them to tmp	01:34
vi__	if it was available on rootfs I do not see why not.	01:35
Estel_	to have full write access to partitions later	01:35
MrPingu	:p I will just use PC, seems most convenient way to me	01:35
Estel_	MrPingu, agree, would just love to be totally independent from 2nd machine	01:35
Estel_	i.e. I'm inside amazon jungle, and feel urge to repartition my N900...	01:35
Estel_	:P	01:35
vi__	Estel_: how to check how many MB have been written to swap?	01:36
Estel_	vi, is You're using busybox power	01:36
vi__	I have iostat	01:36
Estel_	well, asked me about it some time ago, i answered You viua PM :P but, it is:	01:36
vi__	iostat -m -d?	01:37
Estel_	iostat -md mmcblkp \| grep mmcblkp \| awk '{print $6)')	01:38
Estel_	s/$6)/$6}/	01:38
infobot	Estel_ meant: iostat -md mmcblkp \| grep mmcblkp \| awk '{print $6}')	01:38
Estel_	replace * with Your swap partition	01:38
Estel_	although	01:38
Estel_	someone proposed me a better solutions that doesn't involve iostat	01:38
Estel_	and ones that are able to even count swap files instead of partitions	01:39
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Estel_	merlin1991, ping	01:41
Estel_	freemangordon, ping	01:41
DocScrutinizer51	( <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, the differenc eis that - if You include also your TMO link and word "submissions" - you may actually receive it) WTF TMO link??!!	01:43
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, read wiki for CA	01:44
Estel_	requiments for submission	01:44
DocScrutinizer51	dafaq	01:44
Estel_	i'm quoting from head:	01:44
Sc0rpius	heh	01:44
Estel_	"...and link to TMO account, or - in case of user who doesn't have TMO account - information about it"	01:44
DocScrutinizer51	ooh great, register with trolls,morons,oxes or you won't stand a chance to receive a free device	01:44
Estel_	it's written with better grammar on wiki ;)	01:44
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Estel_	erm?	01:44
Estel_	Doc as ussual :>	01:45
Estel_	having TMO accounts isn't requiment	01:45
Estel_	but information about it (not having, or link if have) is required	01:45
Estel_	also, IIRC You're also registered on TMO	01:45
Estel_	so you're toll, moron, or oxe?	01:45
Estel_	s/tool/troll/	01:45
Sc0rpius	what do I need to do to receieve a free device?	01:45
Sc0rpius	s/receieve/receive	01:46
DocScrutinizer51	no, I deleted account 2 minutes ago	01:46
Estel_	Sc0rpius, being dedicated contributor to Maemo Community for past few months/years	01:46
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, going psycho?:P	01:46
vi__	DocScrutinizer51: you lie.	01:46
Sc0rpius	well I've been a contributorç	01:46
Estel_	ok, so Yuo was troll, moron, or oxe?	01:46
Sc0rpius	not sure if dedicated, we all have jobs	01:46
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Estel_	Sc0rpius, 2nd link:	01:47
Estel_	http://maemo.org/news/	01:47
DocScrutinizer51	what do you expect? with users like estel in chan, a chanop MUST go psycho, sooner rather than later	01:47
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Estel_	ha! finally, pure truth, without any FUD :P	01:47
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Estel_	BTw, fun fact - major negatrons for Ca, like DocScrutinizer, teotwaki and so goes on tends to fail @ reading short annoucement for Ca/it's wiki page	01:48
Estel_	i.e. half of my liens about Ca her eis clearing those fuds, like	01:48
Estel_	<DocScrutinizer51> ooh great, register with trolls,morons,oxes or you won't stand a chance to receive a free device	01:48
Estel_	(obviously wrong, as TMO account is not a requiment)	01:48
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Estel_	or some claims from teotwaki, that I don't mention now, as I forget them as soon as replied that it's wrong info.	01:49
RiD	daddy's back	01:49
Estel_	Bid Daddy?	01:49
Estel_	like in Bioshock?	01:49
DocScrutinizer51	Estel_: one of your usual misconceptions, that come as lies. I'm not failing, I just Can't Be Arsed	01:49
RiD	uh oh. I apologize	01:49
RiD	not intended for this channel lol	01:50
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, which don't change fact, that You're making FUD statements about CA all the time, without even reading it's rules, written in less than 1 page	01:50
Estel_	not tell me that it isn't trolling	01:50
vi__	RiD: lols, wb uncle badtouch.	01:51
DocScrutinizer51	no, YOU are making FUD and BS statements	01:51
Estel_	i still belive that it's not on purpose, though.	01:51
DocScrutinizer51	I'm just commenting	01:51
Estel_	about CA? ;)	01:51
RiD	vi__ hmm?	01:51
GeneralAntilles	This argument is still going?	01:51
Estel_	ah, so plain wrong statement about having account on TMO to receive Ca is "just commenting"	01:51
GeneralAntilles	Can't you both move on to something more productive?	01:51
Estel_	GeneralAntilles, no	01:51
Estel_	just started again	01:51
Estel_	:P	01:51
Estel_	actually, 15 second before Your arrival	01:51
vi__	Estel_: I think it was sarcasm.	01:52
DocScrutinizer51	Estel_: you're an idiot, or a bad sneacky guy, with all respect	01:52
Estel_	well. With chanops like DocScrutinizer user must fail to see obvious sarcasm at some point :P	01:52
Estel_	yea, full respect took.	01:52
DocScrutinizer51	[01.06.2012 00:43:43] <DocScrutinizer51> ( <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, the differenc eis that - if You include also your TMO link and word "submissions" - you may actually receive it) WTF TMO link??!!	01:52
Estel_	If I come here and say "HEN is making people's device to fry like bad toaster!11!!1" will it be just comment too?	01:53
Estel_	<DocScrutinizer51> ooh great, register with trolls,morons,oxes or you won't stand a chance to receive a free device	01:53
Estel_	no. TMO account is not a requiment. You could know it by actually reading CA announce/rules JUST ONCE.	01:53
Estel_	EOt for me.	01:53
DocScrutinizer51	I keep my rating about your mental healt	01:53
DocScrutinizer51	h	01:54
Estel_	take your time.	01:54
Estel_	gl & hf.	01:54
GeneralAntilles	Ok. Enough.	01:54
GeneralAntilles	That's has clearly descended past a reasonable discussion into the realm of personal insults.	01:55
GeneralAntilles	24 hour moratorium on discussion of the merits of the Community Awards program.	01:55
GeneralAntilles	If you have problems, take it to the mailing lists.	01:55
DocScrutinizer51	Number one FUD statement: <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, which don't change fact, that You're making FUD statements about CA all the time, without even reading it's rules, written in less than 1 page	01:56
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Estel_	GeneralAntilles, sounds like screaming into the wild ;)	01:56
merlin1991	Estel_: pong	01:57
DocScrutinizer51	GeneralAntilles: could you please +q me and estel for 48h?	01:58
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer51, you're both adults.	01:59
GeneralAntilles	There's no need for this little argument to preclude useful discussion.	02:00
RiD	i have no idea what im reading	02:00
DocScrutinizer51	I have severe doubts about that. For both parties, though for different reasons on each side	02:00
GeneralAntilles	Well, consider this the First Warning.	02:00
GeneralAntilles	You only get one. Further action will be dependent on how this turns out. ;)	02:00
DocScrutinizer51	oh well, then I take better measures	02:01
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DocScrutinizer	oops, another one	02:02
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Estel_	Well, honestly, i would be glad if You wouldn't tell in my name about +q - I got some things to attend on IRC too.	02:04
Estel_	BTw, i'm all for civilised discussion without calling names etc, so no problem for me, i think./	02:04
Estel_	After all, there is nowhere a rule that we must agree on every matter :)	02:05
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Estel_	lets proclaim it a "unsolved difference of pov's", and move along.	02:05
RiD	we wouldn't be alive if we did	02:05
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MrPingu	time to sleep for this little guy, cya	02:29
RiD	Penguins	02:30
RiD	sleep with them	02:30
RiD	i'm off too	02:30
MrPingu	actually I do :P	02:30
Estel_	good night :)	02:31
MrPingu	I have about 9 pluche penguins lying at the end of my bed. I love penguins, hence my name :P	02:31
RiD	dude	02:31
RiD	i think you have a mental problem lol	02:31
MrPingu	Good night	02:32
RiD	why dont you like ponies like everyone else	02:32
MrPingu	Really? Maybe I just need to grow up :P	02:32
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LittleOzzie	hello, any idea if there's an app to gonnect google drive to maemo on my N900?	04:07
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iphar	i'm LittleOzzie, i'll leave this client open from my remote machine, so i can see if anyone answers	04:11
iphar	good night	04:11
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Hurrian	it looks like qole owes nokia 500 bucks	05:23
GeneralAntilles	nou	05:23
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Estel_	ough.	06:36
Estel_	qole at CA... normally, would be insta win, but he's kinda inactive for long time, which seems to not comply with "still contributing"	06:37
Estel_	well, we will see.	06:37
Estel_	funny thing, though about him yesterday and wondered why he haven't nominated himself	06:37
Estel_	tele-magnet	06:37
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luke-jr	Estel_: was "still contributing" added as a requirement?	06:50
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truncked	Hi.. I am facing a problem flashing my N9	06:54
truncked	it says X-Loader image is too big	06:54
truncked	has anyone faced this before ?	06:55
Hurrian	#harmattan	06:55
Hurrian	also, redownload the firmware	06:55
truncked	can i md5 the firmware first ? coz it will take me one full night to download.. my only internet connection is 3g	06:57
truncked	Hurrian: please, you're the only person awake at this moment :) can you have a look at this ? http://pastebin.com/XJ6wx8Ey	07:02
truncked	please ?	07:02
truncked	i feel the file is not corrupt	07:03
truncked	Hurrian: ?? Still around ?	07:09
Hurrian	--flash-only=rootfs	07:12
Estel_	luke-jr, it was there from the very beginning	07:16
Estel_	what a *****	07:16
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Estel_	one *** son of a ** tried to rob me on 200 euro	07:16
Estel_	was selling "Nokia N900 + N8"	07:17
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Estel_	problem is, that N8 is fake, but very good fake	07:17
Estel_	only price tag made me suspicious, especially, that N8 was new with foil on screen. Nevertheless, I almost got caught	07:17
Estel_	very good description, very good photos etc - fake contain Nokia marks, but hidden on photos, only after getting suspicious I noticed that, much effort to mask them made	07:18
Estel_	actually, called police (2 things - trying to cheat while selling, and trying to sell fake product) and send sucker a "love letter"	07:19
Estel_	of course seler with 100 % positive ratio and reviews, more than hundred of them	07:19
Estel_	beware, people.	07:19
Estel_	It's the case, where, from the deep of my heart, I wish him to get invoice from Nokia for unauthorized usage of trademarks. Doubt that it will happen, though.	07:20
Estel_	I've seen many things - including chinese fake N900 put into "real" N900 body took from "hollow" N900's, like those in operator's selling points...	07:21
Estel_	But this one was most retardish thing I've seen for months, and as said, I almost bite it, and I'm quite hard to be fooled on such things.	07:22
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luke-jr	Estel_: hmm, some people were talking about devs who've been gone for years applying	07:33
Estel_	well, people are talking many things, the problem is, that, most of the times, it's nonsense.	07:34
Estel_	BTW, of course, they can apply	07:34
Estel_	but, "still contributing" is requiment to actually "win" device	07:34
luke-jr	i c	07:34
luke-jr	guess that improves my chances	07:34
luke-jr	though tbh, I worry that whoever's on the current Council maybe never heard of me	07:35
Estel_	so, unless someone enjoy submitting as per se, such "nice try" is worthless.	07:35
luke-jr	since I'm barely talkative here these days, let alone forums etc	07:35
Estel_	so how are You continously supporting Community? ;)	07:35
luke-jr	Estel_: I continuously maintain Gentoo for N900 :p	07:36
luke-jr	including working on getting voice calls functional	07:36
Estel_	where this work is documented?	07:38
Estel_	wiki, thread on TMO?	07:38
luke-jr	not much docs on N900 port; N810 has a wiki on Github	07:39
Estel_	i.e. where random interested person can get info about it, things working already or not, how to set up properly.	07:39
luke-jr	N900 install is mostly the same, except adding n900 overlay instead of n8x0	07:39
Estel_	hm, isn't it pity, that Your work will dissapear if zyou get hit by bus tomorrow? or, today?	07:39
luke-jr	I advise people setting it up to get in touch with me :p	07:40
Estel_	see above.	07:40
luke-jr	Estel_: indeed. want to be person #2 who supports it? :P	07:40
luke-jr	but if I get hit by a bus, I have much bigger concerns tbh :p	07:40
Estel_	nope, until You document it on wiki page. After that, with pleasure	07:40
luke-jr	not much to document really	07:41
luke-jr	install Gentoo, add N900 overlay, pretty much done <.<	07:41
Estel_	hey, running desktop's os on N900 is thing to document	07:41
Estel_	check tmo thread about ubuntu 12.04 on N900 and kernel things to make hardware work.	07:41
* luke-jr has never been good at documenting		07:41
Estel_	maybe some of it could get savenged for gentoo too	07:42
Estel_	s/savenged/scavenged/	07:42
infobot	Estel_ meant: maybe some of it could get scavenged for gentoo too	07:42
luke-jr	well, just using Maemo power kernel sources for now	07:42
Estel_	thumb2 thing?	07:42
Estel_	would save lotta hell of ram	07:42
Estel_	You see? lack of documentation, even basic one, is a roadblock for cooperation between projects	07:43
Estel_	btw, thread on TMO is kinda self-writing documentation	07:43
Estel_	written by every participant :)	07:43
Estel_	at worst, You can start blog about it :P	07:43
* luke-jr would rather spend that time actually getting useful stuff done <.<		07:44
Estel_	it's possible, that it's very nice project, but I agree that99% of people havent heard about it...	07:44
Estel_	and 1% rest just shrugs shoulders, without details	07:44
Estel_	= Your chances for CA are pretty low, probably, while, if guy behind Lubuntu 12.04 with 2.6.37 kernel, would - in case of submission - have pretty good chances, I suppose.	07:45
Estel_	useful stuff isn't useful as per FOSS if You keep them to Yourself only.	07:46
Estel_	not only due to bus 'n' hit	07:46
Estel_	but due to closing door for cooperation	07:46
Estel_	witm, well, Community :)	07:46
luke-jr	I don't keep it to myself.	07:46
luke-jr	door isn't closed, it just isn't visible to people unqualified :P	07:47
Estel_	sounds retardish, even with ":P" at the end ;)	07:47
Estel_	(sorry, I'm quite honest at 7 AM)	07:47
Estel_	and like rather poor excuse for laziness about documenting, lack of goals/plan to achieve it, and overall chaos of the project ;)	07:48
Estel_	even arch linux on N900 gained more attention, as, actually, there is something written about it "somewhere"	07:49
Estel_	I suppose gentoo on N900 is much older project.	07:50
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teotwaki	Estel_: don't be mean now	11:00
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Jaffa	vi_: Thanks for the link to 'vee' :)	12:12
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kwtm	Estel_: I was lucky that I bought a used N900 from someone here in this channel, and it was all legit and worked out well. Seller actually said "don't pay me until you have received the goods". Unfortunately not all people are honest like that. And he also trusted me to pay him after getting the goods.	13:04
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jaska	phew, stepped on my n900, nothing happened	13:16
jaska	not full weight tho	13:16
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SpeedEvil	:)	13:22
jaska	instant panic	13:25
jaska	was inside a case tho :)	13:25
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Pali	hi! if somebody has n900 (not with hw revision 2101 or 2204), please attach dump of atags to thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84560 thanks!	14:45
r00t\|home	hw revision is found where?	14:49
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vi_	r00t\|home: cat /proc/cpuinfo	14:50
vi_	r00t\|home: cat /proc/cpuinfo \| grep HW	14:50
vi_	r00t\|home: cat /proc/cpuinfo \| grep hw	14:50
vi_	I dunno	14:51
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chem\|st	o/	14:56
r00t\|home	vi_: neither	14:59
r00t\|home	user@Nokia-N900[~]$ grep Revision /proc/cpuinfo	15:00
r00t\|home	Revision : 2101	15:00
r00t\|home	so not mine anyway	15:00
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jaska	didnt know other than 2101 and 2204 even existed :)	15:04
jaska	ive seen mentions of 2104	15:05
ThreeM	any differences between the revisions?	15:05
r00t\|home	i have one 2101 and one 2204	15:07
jaska	no idea what the diff is	15:09
chem\|st	got 2101 and my usbport never came off	15:10
jaska	i removed the "teeth" from my microusb cables	15:10
jaska	just in case	15:10
chem\|st	that does not improve on bending... and I got that many usbcables I dont want to cut all..	15:11
jaska	i only have 2 microusb cables (one from n810, another from n900)	15:12
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chem\|st	jaska: got 6 or something... five spare for 6eur	15:17
vi_	jaska: shiny keyboard or something.	15:19
vi_	Also, solder your USB down, it is what all the pros do.	15:20
r00t\|home	chem\|st: length, ebay item number? ;)	15:20
r00t\|home	i can confirm that my 2101 has a shinier keyboard than my 2204...	15:21
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jaska	vi: with my soldering skills i would solder everything together :)	15:32
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jaska	i stopped doing anything when surface mounted components became the default	15:33
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vi_	SMD aint so hard, you just need the correct tools.	15:39
chem\|st	r00t\|home: no ebay, just amazone marketplace	15:39
chem\|st	nokia originals bulk not retail	15:40
chem\|st	bulk is the key, retail wall-chargers cost 5-10eurs more than bulk	15:40
chem\|st	ie	15:40
chem\|st	r00t\|home: your country?	15:40
chem\|st	jaska: you do not solder the connectors, you solder the housing onto the cpb	15:42
chem\|st	pcb	15:42
chem\|st	r00t\|home: I like the nokia ones as the clip stops them from falling off the table	15:43
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r00t\|home	chem\|st: "as the clip rips out the connector"...	15:47
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chem\|st	no I am speaking of "the darn cable is not falling behind my desk after unpluging phones or hdds"	15:58
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iphar	any idea if there's an implementation of google drive on maemo anywhere out there?	16:00
vi_	iphar: yes, no there is not.	16:02
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chem\|st	merlin1991: doubt it	16:33
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chem\|st	iphar: I suggested to include it with next look at sharing plugins in the futur	16:34
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teotwaki	GeneralAntilles: sup	18:53
GeneralAntilles	Hey, teotwaki.	18:53
GeneralAntilles	Absolutely nothing interesting.	18:54
GeneralAntilles	Except the rain.	18:54
GeneralAntilles	Lots of rain today.	18:54
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teotwaki	heh	18:54
teotwaki	There's Florida for you	18:54
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GeneralAntilles	Usually it's /afternoon/ thunderstorms. :<	18:54
teotwaki	we had a gorgeous 100+ degrees here today	18:54
GeneralAntilles	Not "wake you up at 5 in the morning" thunderstorms.	18:54
GeneralAntilles	Sounds fun.	18:54
teotwaki	Not a cloud in the sky	18:54
teotwaki	Can't complain :)	18:55
teotwaki	So, what you been up to? How's the studies going?	18:55
GeneralAntilles	Studies are progressing in a more consistent fashion than they were. g	18:55
teotwaki	That's good news	18:56
GeneralAntilles	Sadly very little productive otherwise.	18:56
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GeneralAntilles	What's new on the other side of the Atlantic?	18:57
teotwaki	not much frankly	18:57
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teotwaki	Still in the same company, am product manager / lead dev / dev coordinator now	18:57
GeneralAntilles	Sounds like progress	18:57
teotwaki	Florida is still our number one con artist destination	18:57
teotwaki	I'm starting to get suspicious of you	18:57
GeneralAntilles	lol	18:57
GeneralAntilles	Seriously.	18:58
teotwaki	Yeah, most of the tubes end up in Florida (for phone services)	18:58
GeneralAntilles	Evidently every escaped convict, bail jumper, man-on-the-run, and general good-for-nothing likes to run to Florida.	18:58
teotwaki	so it's cheapest from Florida to buy numbers in France/Europe.	18:58
GeneralAntilles	'cause there's lots of open land to hide in and the winters wont kill you.	18:58
teotwaki	Then they spam a couple thousand numbers, just long enough for it to ring, not long enough for anyone to pick up	18:59
teotwaki	(as in, 28ms of ring time on average)	18:59
GeneralAntilles	To what possible end?	18:59
teotwaki	a fair percentage of those people call back, not recognising the number, but it's a 0899 number, which is 1.5euros at connection and then 0.34 euros / minute	18:59
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teotwaki	so in an afternoon, they make a couple hundred thousand	18:59
* GeneralAntilles facepalms.		19:00
GeneralAntilles	and these people don't realize that?	19:00
teotwaki	nope	19:00
teotwaki	well, if you got a call from 0899 911 911 911	19:00
teotwaki	would you call back?	19:00
teotwaki	(just an example)	19:00
GeneralAntilles	No	19:01
GeneralAntilles	But I hardly answer the phone	19:01
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GeneralAntilles	let allow call people back.	19:01
GeneralAntilles	So I'm probably an outlier.	19:01
teotwaki	just take the probability of shit going on in one's life -- deceased loved one, working for the fire dept, <insert any kind of reason here>, and people will convince themselves that that number really resembles one they've dialed before.	19:01
GeneralAntilles	So it's a tax on not being able to Google. :P	19:02
teotwaki	They purchase the number at 3am	19:02
teotwaki	by 7 am they're done	19:02
GeneralAntilles	Ah	19:02
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teotwaki	so yeah, you might get lucky, but in most cases it'll just provide you with the name of our company, or our provider	19:03
teotwaki	the worst part is	19:03
teotwaki	setting up a system that would lock them out if they try to spam numbers with short bursts	19:04
teotwaki	piss easy	19:04
teotwaki	would take maybe a 30 line patch to our voip stack	19:04
teotwaki	it's cheaper and less risky for us to defend against people who lost a couple euros, than to deny custom to a guy at AT&T.	19:05
GeneralAntilles	Ha	19:06
teotwaki	Actually, that's not the provider.	19:06
teotwaki	It's the one that starts with a V	19:06
teotwaki	and ends in erizon.	19:06
GeneralAntilles	Verizon?	19:06
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GeneralAntilles	lol	19:06
GeneralAntilles	Those guys rock.	19:06
GeneralAntilles	They bring so much awesome to telecommunications.	19:06
teotwaki	At some point, the number of scams coming from them was so bad	19:07
teotwaki	Our provider told them they'd make them pay back 100% of their profit + our regular invoice, if they detected a scam	19:07
teotwaki	they just replied "sure, no problem. We're still making money."	19:07
teotwaki	Anyway	19:08
teotwaki	am done for the week	19:08
teotwaki	Going back home, and going to play SWTOR for a couple hours	19:08
GeneralAntilles	Woo	19:08
GeneralAntilles	Sounds fun.	19:08
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teotwaki	You playin?	19:08
teotwaki	D3 maybe?	19:08
GeneralAntilles	Haven't gotten around to it yet.	19:08
GeneralAntilles	I'm reinvigorated on Forza 4	19:09
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teotwaki	Haha	19:09
GeneralAntilles	Since it's got Porches now.	19:09
teotwaki	You a Porsche fan?	19:09
GeneralAntilles	Also replaying Borderlands in preparation.	19:09
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GeneralAntilles	http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4263150331/	19:09
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teotwaki	hahaha	19:12
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teotwaki	the day we see an open source sponsoring a professional race car	19:12
teotwaki	s/source/source project/	19:12
infobot	teotwaki meant: the day we see an open source project sponsoring a professional race car	19:12
teotwaki	is the day I'll commit to becoming hindu.	19:12
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	19:13
GeneralAntilles	Those were the days. . . .	19:13
GeneralAntilles	Ah, well, now we have Tizen!	19:13
GeneralAntilles	OK, better eat lunch before work.	19:13
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Corsac	well, Oracle is technically an open source company	19:27
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GeneralAntilles	Afternoon, timeless.	19:32
vi__	Corsac: ORLY?	19:32
GeneralAntilles	It's a regular menagerie of oldtimers this week.	19:32
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vi__	GeneralAntilles: I WONDER WHY?	19:33
GeneralAntilles	We're like vultures circling in for scraps. :P	19:34
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vi__	God help anyone who wins and does not reguarly post on tmo.	19:36
GeneralAntilles	Is that a requirement?	19:37
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GeneralAntilles	Did they send Nokia Ninjas along with the devices to ensure compliance?	19:37
vi__	no	19:37
vi__	but anyone who does not win will be all?	19:37
vi__	'who t f is this???'	19:38
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vi__	was this comp rigged?	19:38
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GeneralAntilles	We already have an andre__, sorry.	19:38
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timeless	hi GeneralAntilles	19:43
timeless	my irc client just finished upgrading	19:43
SpeedEvil	timeless: hi	19:44
timeless	hi	19:44
GeneralAntilles	timeless, how's Canada?	19:44
timeless	good	19:44
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timeless	and my apartment in Helsinki sold today!	19:44
* timeless is now landless		19:44
SpeedEvil	Congratulations.	19:44
GeneralAntilles	That took a while.	19:44
timeless	oh, it's pouring here	19:44
timeless	GeneralAntilles: yeah, a year	19:44
timeless	it failed to sell last summer	19:44
timeless	this time it sold relatively quickly	19:44
timeless	but there's no point in leaving it on the market in the (long) off-season	19:45
timeless	anyway, there's little point in shopping in Canada during the off-season or peak either	19:45
timeless	so i'm ok	19:45
timeless	i just need to move my EUR out while the EUR is doing well against the CAD	19:45
timeless	(the CAD is down against the USD atm, i think)	19:45
timeless	Yay	19:46
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timeless	(a moment ago I was typing from my laptop using Chrome)	19:47
timeless	IRCCloud is cool	19:47
GeneralAntilles	HTML5?	19:47
timeless	Yes	19:48
GeneralAntilles	Shit. Time for work.	19:48
GeneralAntilles	Later.	19:48
timeless	It uses websockets	19:48
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* Sc0rpius yawns		20:58
beford	hola	20:58
Sc0rpius	hi	20:58
beford	se te olvido el español?	21:00
beford	xD	21:00
Sc0rpius	no, no se me ha olvidado	21:02
Sc0rpius	pero me regañan si hablo en español aquí	21:02
beford	hah yea, i know, just kidding.	21:03
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vi__	Chiku\|dc:	21:42
Chiku\|dc	hi	21:42
Chiku\|dc	?	21:42
vi__	chem\|st: laying the smack down	21:42
vi__	sorry, I mis typed your name.	21:42
Chiku\|dc	ok	21:43
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vi__	hello! none the less.	21:43
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chem\|st	yes! wanna do?	21:47
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chem\|st	join up :)	21:48
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chem\|st	vi__: I don't want to but there is someone wrong on the internets!	21:50
vi__	chem\|st: you mean 'there is SOMONE wrong on the internet'?	22:00
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chem\|st	vi__: EXACTLY!	22:08
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Pali	ping freemangordon	22:24
chem\|st	Pali: if you start writing your question... you know the rest...	22:26
Pali	freemangordon, two N900 with same HW revision and same NOLO version passing two different MEM atags to kernel	22:28
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Pali	I think disassembling NOLO and X-Loader is needed :-(	22:28
Pali	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1216020#post1216020	22:29
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Pali	jacekowski, did you disassembled nolo?	22:35
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jacekowski	Pali: what for?	22:44
Pali	jacekowski, how NOLO generate atags for kernel?	22:44
jacekowski	dunno	22:45
jacekowski	never looked into that	22:45
jacekowski	lemme see	22:46
Pali	jacekowski, do you have some disassembled nolo/x-loader text files?	22:47
jacekowski	somewhere	22:47
jacekowski	i have to find them	22:47
jacekowski	i've never looked into that anyways	22:48
jacekowski	so it won't be much of help anyways	22:48
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jacekowski	give me a minute	22:49
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chem\|st	vi__: not exactly that way but thanks for your support, those tmo bandwagons suck	22:55
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DocScrutinizer51	~tmo	23:05
infobot	methinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen	23:05
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Estel_	DocScrutinizer51, quite childlish	23:06
Estel_	are You sure, that You're still up to be chanop?	23:06
Estel_	jokes are fine sometime, but if IRC is one of officla channels- and it is - it should spread bullshit like that, especially via locked factoids	23:07
DocScrutinizer51	ok, Sir. you made it on my /ignore list	23:07
Estel_	no matter of someone's personal frustrations	23:07
Estel_	no problem, i'll talk with IRC contact about that - after all, #maemo IRc isn't Your private property.	23:07
DocScrutinizer51	neither yours (damn, my /ignore been too slow)	23:08
Estel_	so Your personal frustration about TMO shouldn't make it to lock info about it to "morons" and such things	23:10
Estel_	Anyway, I'm done with You, as said, will contact proper authority, as this situation with official #maemo channel can't persist any longer	23:10
Estel_	to use your own words " you won't hijack our irc"	23:10
Estel_	setting stupid factoid could be ignored, as everyone would be able to correct your foolishnes, but locking it to depreciate other communication channels? Childlish, unresponsible, and plain stupid.	23:11
DocScrutinizer51	oooh, fun, here on this client another /ignore. So I have the opportunity to teach Mr Estel_ a bit about factoids.	23:14
DocScrutinizer51	~factinfo tmo	23:14
infobot	error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)	23:14
infobot	tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified at Fri May 4 14:36:23 2012 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 20 times, last by Estel_, 8m 34s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer.	23:14
Estel_	so? locked by DocScrutinizer51	23:14
Estel_	to foolish, depreciating form	23:14
DocScrutinizer51	as you can see if you are capable of reading, this factoid wasn't created by me	23:15
Estel_	not exactly what chanop is supposed to do.	23:15
Estel_	aah, so someone do foolish thing, and You lock it to persist that way?	23:15
Estel_	<good job>	23:15
DocScrutinizer51	and locked by (me) due to fools messing around with factoids as they thought their nothion is better than the one of original factoid creator	23:16
DocScrutinizer51	yes, that's exactly what I do: lock foolish things to stop a fools' battle	23:17
Estel_	still doens't answer why you haven't fixed it to not being depreciating to others (and other official channels)	23:17
Estel_	if someone would make factoid "Docscrutinizer is a moron", you would probably fix it.	23:17
Estel_	at least, You're chanop for such things too, yep?	23:17
Estel_	if You can be bothered to lock it, You can also fix it.	23:17
DocScrutinizer51	and now I take my option to fix /ignore list of this chan	23:18
DocScrutinizer51	err client	23:18
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Estel_	no problem for me, again. Still, despite former great deed,s lately, you act zealotish and totally unpredictable - for sure not what is supposed to be actions of responsible chanop on #maemo official channel.	23:18
Estel_	if You don't see problem, then we will try to fix it other way.	23:19
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chem\|st	Estel_: IRC is not an official channel... in terms of commmunity... mailinglist is, thought we made that clear!	23:19
Estel_	no, it is also	23:19
Estel_	with a mention in council blog to - not created by us	23:19
Estel_	anyway, such behavior is unnaceptable, so please, dont' make poor excuses for DocScrutinizer51 behavior	23:19
chem\|st	Estel_: you are way out of line for days now	23:20
Estel_	so, write a complain to other councilors with expected quotations.	23:20
chem\|st	council is not controling maemo in the way you may think	23:20
Estel_	sure thing. you can belive in what You want. Still, we're going to take action about embarassing chanops behavior here.	23:21
* Estel_ saluts		23:21
Estel_	I'm off for now	23:21
chem\|st	WTF?	23:21
nieldk	Bet we are	23:22
NIN101	I love this channel for constant popcorn delivery.	23:22
NIN101	:-)	23:22
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chem\|st	you are welcome!	23:22
Pali	jacekowski, did you find?	23:22
* chem\|st starts the popcorn machine and throws out oversalted popcorn for good...		23:23
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* vi__ munch crunch munch		23:38
DocScrutinizer51	chem\|st: thanks for the link	23:39
chem\|st	Estel_: "If you've posted something and want to ensure the council sees it; please email council@maemo.org. "	23:40
chem\|st	Estel_: Community-related news, announcements, and calls for participation are summarized in the Council blog.	23:40
chem\|st	Council blog posts are syndicated to the Community subforum at Talk with a [Council] tag.	23:40
chem\|st	just to make you read it again...	23:40
chem\|st	your channels...	23:40
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer51: yw	23:40
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vi__	~tmo	23:42
infobot	i guess tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen	23:42
vi__	lols	23:43
chem\|st	vi__: love it!	23:43
vi__	I feel...	23:43
vi__	in the grand scheme of things, it does not matter.	23:43
chem\|st	~matter	23:43
chem\|st	~darkmatter	23:43
vi__	~testes	23:44
* infobot grabs vi__'s nuts		23:44
vi__	BWAHAAHHAHAHA	23:44
chem\|st	~striptease	23:44
infobot	Hoogah Hoogah wah wah takes of the box dances around showing of the cpu and memory Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?	23:44
vi__	!!!	23:44
chem\|st	so much about	23:44
vi__	dafuq	23:44
chem\|st	~love vi__	23:44
infobot	If you love vi__ so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)	23:44
chem\|st	~feed me	23:45
* infobot offers chem\|st some horseraddish		23:45
chem\|st	~thanks	23:45
infobot	de rien, chem\|st	23:45
chem\|st	~kiss	23:45
chem\|st	nooooh	23:45
chem\|st	:D	23:45
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chem\|st	later o7	23:46
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