IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-05-29

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Estel_teotwaki, forget to comment00:15
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Estel_I don't agree that priozes for apst contributions are bad idea.00:17
Estel_as Jaffa stated, msot people that received devices for "promises" delivered nothing...00:17
Estel_and, btw, we have 3 programs - 75 devices total - for "future" promises00:17
Estel_like qt5 and Nokia store00:17
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Estel_Coding competition is little better here00:17
Estel_Communtiy Awards, are, for the first time, prizes for people that - as clearly stated - contributed and continuosly contribute00:17
Estel_So Your comments about giving device to lzuk were totally out of line00:18
Estel_BTw, why no one read annoucement/requiments?;)00:18
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Estel_2nd line "for past months/years contributed - and continue to contribute"00:18
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GeneralAntillesEstel_, not the first time.00:19
Estel_BTw, I'm not surprised, that so many morons want to "try their luck" submitting without contributing anything - well, after all, it doesn't cost anything00:19
Estel_GeneralAntilles, oh, sorry, it seems that I miss some info? there was something like that already?00:19
GeneralAntillesEstel_, the internet tablet era devices and discount codes were mostly based on past contribution.00:19
Estel_thank You for info, I wasn't aware of that00:19
* GeneralAntilles has been around a while.00:20
GeneralAntillesGrowing moldy with age.00:20
Estel_:) I wont cheat that I was here during ITT era00:20
RaimuGeneralAntill, recall if the winners reciprocated?00:21
Estel_anyway, as per teotwaki complains about idea, I think it's good have something like that.00:21
Estel_After all, people thatd eserve it *will* get device,s and others not...00:21
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Estel_BTW, Qgil kinda "promiseD" that it's last batch of N950, that hes aware of ;)00:22
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MrPinguDon't say that , I don't wanna hear that :P00:28
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MrPingu_doh, that was my lovely router again00:31
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MrPingu_To get back on what I wanted to say: You will always keep people submitting themselves so don't count on it, it will be less of these mails. If they wrote a mail today and don't receive they will try again next time00:35
Estel_what the heck is that guys profile?00:35
Estel_3x N950 silver? 0_o00:36
Estel_actually, 4x00:36
Estel_WTf is that supposed to mean? He think that N950 was available for normal sale and he want to pretend that he bought it 4 times?00:36
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MrPingu_give me one :O00:38
MrPingu_Lucky guy, probably but if I had more than 2 something would be eating on me. Probably00:40
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Estel_0_o KAthy smith also applied?00:41
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Estel_wlel, generally, she did many good things, but I haven't seen her, erm, since i've joined00:41
Estel_either we're just missing each other and it's "bad luck" or she's totally inactive for at least year00:41
MrPingu_Heck, I don't even know who it was/is00:42
MrPingu_TMO name?00:42
Estel_councilor for September 2010 - March 2011 cadence00:42
Estel_redvkathy ;P00:42
Estel_tmo name00:42
Estel_I remember stumbling upon her work her eor ther,e but everything was things from past00:43
Estel_some would say ancient00:43
MrPingu_Hmm no wonder, I got my N900 from feb 201100:43
Estel_but maybe I'm, just not informed well, will check00:43
Estel_Eh, it's always kinda dillema about such people00:43
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Estel_they've contributed great things in the past, and that is fine...00:43
Estel_but, requiments state clearly that it's about continous contributions00:43
Estel_i.e. Pali, he is here for ages, despite fact that most know him from kernel-power00:44
Estel_and the latter is jsut because he still conmtribute very much :)00:44
MrPingu_You have to be  strict ;)00:44
MrPingu_I try to contribute the best I can. Only my knowledge is about linux/maemo is about the size of a peanut00:45
Estel_Well, after all, we cna send a post cards with "Thank You" to every contributor from ancient times ;)00:45
Estel_BTW, have you submitted?00:46
MrPingu_Not yet00:46
MrPingu_I am planning to do so00:46
* Estel_ is in process of processing submissions via merit content00:46
Estel_I see00:46
Estel_smart one, don't want to drow in sea of submissions from, first few days?:P00:46
GeneralAntillesRaimu, well, many of them are names you'd recognize from today.00:46
GeneralAntillesSo, yes.00:46
MrPingu_Actually I wait till my exams are over :P00:47
Estel_BTW about Katy - TMo last activity:00:47
Estel_Last Activity: 10-02-2011 02:10 PM00:47
Estel_of course contributions isn't all about TMO00:47
MrPingu_but it's a part of it, IMO00:47
MrPingu_I mean most of people use TMO only as their source00:48
MrPingu_=normal users00:49
Estel_of course it's a part of it, although I wouldn't have problems with allocating device to someone who is not ever registered on TMO, if she/he would be very active and contributing via irc or mailing list00:49
Estel_well, it's all about continous contributions - Kathy would be, for example, perfect candidate for receiving device, except for fact tyhat she haven't been senn for more than a year ;)00:50
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GeneralAntillesWell, she's on Twitter.00:51
anidel_she's been as you know quite active. Well you can decide to give her one if any are left..putting her low on the list00:53
GeneralAntillesI think participation is likely to go back up significantly if she gets a device.00:54
Estel_it all depend son competition, i'm jsut thinking loudly00:54
Estel_don;t get to sued to what I'm saying, though ;000:54
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Estel_hopefuly, it's not on me alone to decide...00:56
anidel_I myself haven't been active for example on TMO, still working on my project, so not sure how you'd count my participation, but i specifically asked to be put low on the list.00:56
Estel_And council represent quite diverse group of users, so, considering everyone will do own research...00:56
Estel_We should be ok00:56
anidel_yup that's cool00:56
anidel_you could put her low on the list of those who do not have a device and if one's available give it to GA said that'll likely bring her back into activity on TMO as a greeter/helper00:57
Estel_anidel_, btw, Your nick on TMO is?00:57
anidel_anidel :)00:57
Estel_ah, i see, you're not on wim,ki list yet.00:58
anidel_I'm on the list already, so my submission's been accepted I think00:58
anidel_I think I am...00:58
anidel_I do...just checked00:59
Estel_yep You're00:59
Estel_BTW, out of those last topic, what is Your project about?>01:00
Estel_it's fremantle related one, or something for Mer or Harmattan?01:00
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Estel_BTw, merlin1991, I've totally forget it, I got N90 for you :D01:00
anidel_last version's for Fremantle (Xournal)01:00
GeneralAntillesAlso: Hi, anidel_. :) How's Canada treating you?01:01
anidel_it was one of the Fremantle Stars (that got me a N900 pre-production a month before release )01:01
anidel_GeneralAntilles, it isn't anymore :) left it a year ago back to London now01:01
anidel_Estel_, and I'm (as said) slowly re-writing it for Harmattan01:01
GeneralAntillesI certainly can keep up.01:01
* GeneralAntilles can vouch for anidel_.01:02
anidel_ehehe indeed :)01:02
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anidel_thanks :p01:02
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anidel_btw sorry to appear only now much as timing's suspicious ( :) ) I'm not back here for the award .01:04
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MrPingu_Nice timing ^^01:05
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MrPingu_Guys, I wish you a very good night. I'm goin to search for my bed, can't be tired: still have 2 exams left01:08
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Estel_see ya MrPingu_01:13
Estel_anidel_, of youre you're not for award :)01:13
Estel_it's always nice to see someone returning01:13
Estel_or "returning" i.e. waking up from inactivity - afdter all, real life demans our time much01:14
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anidel_I have never been active on IRC , too much a real time medium for me to follow...but I'd like to gather some feedback on Xournal for the will come back with some questions when there'll be more people as well01:15
Estel_Harmattan got it own channel, generally01:16
anidel_yup ... but my IRC was setup for #maemo already :D01:16
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Estel_BTw, why not for Mer?01:16
Estel_it seems like future os for N9/N950, which can;'t be said about Harmattan01:17
Estel_or at leats multiplatform? We're going to have common COBS soon01:17
anidel_that's also in the plan...I still have to get the C++ version and adapt it for Qt01:17
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anidel_the N950 has Nemo on it for that reason as well...the N9 would be Harmattan...01:18
Estel_I see.01:18
Estel_You know what? i'm probably going to buy N8** for collectionerish reasons (and maybe developing sometihng for legacy devices too)01:21
Sc0rpiuswell I didn't like Nemo.01:21
merlin1991h-d is missing :D01:21
anidel_I have them as well...miss a N800 though :(01:21
Sc0rpiusmaybe it has potential but it's extremely buggy right now, and it doesn't seem it'll ever fit on a N90001:21
merlin1991the whole interface is essentially dumbed down :/01:21
Sc0rpiusfor example the browser is extremely tiny and since you don't have multitouch, you can't zoom01:21
merlin1991cordia could be great though01:21
vi__bl-5j IS LiIon.I thought they were community awards?01:22
vi__I thought they were community awards?01:22
Estel_yes, it is ion;P01:22
vi__Not bribes to win back people who left the community?01:22
Estel_we cna give them nokia 77001:23
Estel_or 331001:23
vi__For the likes of that guy who keeps porting obscure 7drl rogue likes.01:23
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Estel_hey, this guy is actually porting many other useful things too01:23
vi__The people who just didnt quit01:23
Estel_if we're talking about same person01:23
Sc0rpiusso Estel you won the council?01:23
vi__in the face of all the abandonment and01:24
Estel_Sc0rpius, I was elected as councilor, yep :) Thanks.01:24
Estel_alongside 4 other people01:24
Estel_what was most feature-complete from N8* line of devices?01:24
Estel_are they all runing same OS with CSSU'ish variants?01:25
Estel_N8**, actually01:25
Estel_BTW, wimax edition wasn't ever released, yep?01:25
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vi__If someone has not been active in >1 year then fuck em.01:26
vi__Estel_: wimax version was released01:26
Estel_no worries vi_  :) rest assure,d that no one who doesn't deserve device will get it01:26
vi__just nothing else ever ran wimax!01:27
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Estel_hey, wimax coverage is quite ok in p[oland :p01:31
vi__well, 4g is rolled out in poland for reals01:32
vi__in UK you are lucky to get 2.5G in some places01:32
teotwaki_bleh, I'm lucky to get 2G in my office01:32
vi__At least in sczeczin it was.01:32
vi__teotwaki, wit a name like yours I would have thought you would be rigging up a VHF?01:33
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teotwaki_Nha, I grew out of VHF around age 12 :)01:33
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Estel_N810 wimax was LTE standard, or those south-korean one?01:39
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ShadowJKEstel_; you can treat LiPo and LiIon the same02:15
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Estel_ShadowJK, that was my practice, but though that better safe than sorry,m and i'll ask about Maemo's charging chip (if it's not pesky about provided things)02:15
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Estel_generally, in every application I've been rolling LiIons/LiPo's/LiFe's without any problems, due to almsot identical voltage characteristics02:16
Estel_and same base way of working02:16
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Estel_honestly, I can't wait to check uptime of my N900 with 6000 mAh from 2 3000 mah Phillips cells ;)02:17
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Estel_would be quite fun for wardriving, too.02:17
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Estel_LOL @ price02:22
Estel_well, i'm willing to pay 30 dollars with shipping for N800/N810, just to make my projects compatible with older Maemo's...02:23
cehtehEstel_: btw .. take a look at /proc/vmstat .. there are counters for swapout, thats more general for accounting swaps as it will work for swapfiles too02:23
Estel_so, I really LOL'ed, while reading that02:23
Estel_cehteh, thanks, will check it02:23
cehteh awk '/pswpout/{print $2}' /proc/vmstat02:25
ShadowJKLiFe can't be treated the same02:28
Estel_ShadowJK, could elaborate more?02:28
Estel_cehteh, it shows 5481 in my case02:29
ShadowJKThe charge voltage is much lower for LiFePo402:29
cehtehEstel_: thats in pages (4k)02:29
* Estel_ nods02:30
Estel_wa sin process of calculating :p02:30
ShadowJKiirc 3.6 for LiFe vs 4.2 for Lithium Cobalt (the "regular" Li-Ion)02:30
ShadowJKAlso you can have LiFePo4 both as regular and as LiFePo4 polymer :)02:30
cehtehnote that this counters dont reset .. but you can use awk for calculations as it can calculate with petty huge numbers02:31
* cehteh wonders if this all can be done in less than 10 loc :)02:31
Estel_ShadowJK, isn't LiFe 3.6 average vs LiIon 3.7 average?02:32
Estel_instead of max?02:32
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Estel_nah, it's 3.3 average02:34
Estel_3.3V I mean02:34
Estel_but LiFePo4F is 3.6 average...02:34
Estel_which, probably, could be trasted the same way02:34
Estel_there are fools who buy things like that?02:47
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merlin1991Estel_: there is that n900 wardriving kit aswell02:57
merlin1991and we've had people in here asking questions about how todo x with it02:57
Estel_yea, I just wonder if there really are fools buying it02:57
merlin1991so yess seems there are fools02:57
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: wimax != LTE02:57
Estel_maybe I should start selling something like that on ebay, for half the price ;)02:58
Estel_DocScrutinizer, hm?02:58
Estel_I also thoigh like that, but...02:58
Estel_every source on net states as it's same as 4G. Is it the 2nd standard? the losing one?02:58
DocScrutinizer51wimax is more WLAN than LTE02:58
Estel_yea, we have providers of it here in Poznań02:59
Estel_quite expensive, though02:59
Estel_I also remember reading somewhere, about old Nokia plans to release wimax devices and national-wide coverage of wimax, but - IIRC - it was busted by some legal trials?03:00
Estel_]take this as grain of salt, I could be just reading someone's FUD bullshit03:00
Estel_well, if it's true, then at least *once* Nokia had some concept.03:01
cehtehEstel_:  ..untested :)03:03
DocScrutinizer51wimax = 802.1603:03
Estel_thanks x203:04
Estel_well, some idiot is sellinmg N900 with "minimal" defect - it doesn't read SIM card. He want 3/4 of working one price03:05
Estel_I've asked him if he want to buy refrigerator from me - it got minimal defect, it doesn't cool things down03:05
Estel_cehteh, nice, but this kind of automation is a no-go03:06
Estel_it could kick in during heavy load b- and probablyt, would do 99% of times03:06
cehtehyeah i made this for me .. as fast hack now03:06
Estel_= freeze/kill of applications (lost work, etc) or even freezed/rebooted device03:06
Estel_with high chance for filesystem corruption03:06
cehtehprolly can add checks for load and AC power later on03:06
* Estel_ nods03:06
Estel_I think such automation isn't good way to go. i rather though about notifications03:06
Estel_for example, 3 x notifiying it03:07
Estel_first time when hit swap fragmentation03:07
Estel_2nd time after few minutes03:07
Estel_and 3th time after 30 mins03:07
Estel_but left triggering actual reswpa for user03:07
Estel_could put it into power menu03:07
cehtehi'd like this automated .. as long it doesnt disrupt me03:07
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Estel_honestly, I'm afraid You can regret that :P03:07
cehtehyes add it to the 'optimize n900 ' scripts03:07
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Estel_checks for loads etc are very hard to do properly, I mean that they got tendency to still kick in in bad moment03:08
cehtehanyway, just take the code and use whatever  you like from it03:08
Estel_thanks a lot :)03:08
cehtehhas the n900 ionice? i didnt checked03:08
cehtehalso before reswapping it would be a sanity check to test if there at least 2 swaps03:09
Estel_sounds like good idea03:09
Estel_I've checked it while updating rcS late via script, but...03:09
Estel_sanity check during actual reswap sounds better03:10
cehtehyes that doesnt cost much03:10
cehtehwell i test the script as is on my device now :) .. what could happen *eg* :)03:11
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cehtehok small bug .. you need to update OLD after the reswap loop03:27
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Estel_cehteh, noticed that03:48
Estel_but thanks anyway03:48
Estel_gosh, i still can't remove this screw from N900's screen03:49
Estel_totally screwed screw, unscrfewable03:49
Estel_and i don't have left-turning drill with me :/03:49
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Estel_Jaffa, is there any other way than twitter, for sending things to Maemo weekly News?04:17
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Estel_...for those old fashioned people here, that don't use twitter, facebook, klout and simiular stuff?04:17
Estel_I would love to participate, as I've been always quite aware of thing going on in the community, which seems to only increase after nomination for Councilor...04:18
Estel_although, the twitter way always bounced me off04:18
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ShadowJKLiFePo4 is 3.3V nominal04:35
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ShadowJKLiFe is short for LiFePo4 :P or maybe it was LiFePO404:35
ShadowJKyeah, PO4 as in phosphate04:38
Estel_BTW, have anything move in nanowires section?04:40
Estel_it seems researched have stalled a little? Probably founds and lack of will from major company's, as they've already ready lines for older batterie's types?04:40
ShadowJKwell also it'll be patent protected for ages, so nobody will be able to make it04:41
cehtehthere are turingy nanotechs .. but well no one knows exactly what they put into their soup04:42
ShadowJKMy guess would be that it suffers from horrible cycle life04:42
ShadowJKMaking things smaller - nano* - increases surface area and should boost energy density, but the typical Lithium cobalt stuff is unstable and eats itself away, so making it smaller means it  eats itself faster. Much of the research done by samsung, panasonic, lg and all is specifically focused on boosting stability04:44
ShadowJKwhile some people consider the Lithium cobalt based stuff more or less a lost cause, sticking with the Lithium iron chemistry04:46
cehtehLiFe is heavier :P less energy per gramm04:47
cehtehbad for RC-Helis :)04:47
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robbiethe1stWe just need something better... like hydrocarbon storage!04:58
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Estel_or cold fusion ;) Readers of TMO's battery thread will know the pun.05:13
Estel_(someone there - maybe even dr_frost_dk - got interesting battery, than during heavy charging/discharging, as he claimed, tended to feel *colder* than ambient)05:13
Estel_(won't belive without seeing hard proofs :P )05:14
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ShadowJKRC-Helis are mostly interested in power/gram :)06:17
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ShadowJKand they don't mind the low cycle life of LiPo :P06:18
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GeneralAntillesShadowJK, I tried to murder myself with a LiPo the other day.06:27
GeneralAntillesFuture note to people who like their thighs: Don't put LiPos with Micro Deans in the same pocket with your car keys.06:27
GeneralAntillesIt's a Bad Combination.06:27
ShadowJKyes :)06:29
HurrianGeneralAntilles, shorted and caught fire?06:30
GeneralAntillesYeah. . . .06:30
GeneralAntillesWas digging around in the passenger seat when I thought "Man, this sun is much hotter than I remember. My leg is burning up."06:30
GeneralAntillesThen I realized what it was and furiously started throwing things out of my pocket.06:30
GeneralAntillesThankfully the shorted battery was the first out.06:30
GeneralAntillesStarted spewing boiling electrolyte across the grass.06:31
GeneralAntillesShould've taken a picture of the burnt crisp the battery ended up as06:34
GeneralAntilleswas too rattled by it at the time, though.06:35
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freemangordonEstel_, ping08:59
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juozapascan u recommend some program for gps tracking in offline mode ? with google maps or osm10:55
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StyXmanjuozapas: marble11:00
StyXmanyou can use offline osm tiles11:01
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JaffaEstel_: Contributors send information via Twitter; but anyone can highlight a link to a contributor or editor (e.g. timsamoff, GeneralAntilles1, fiferboy, me, ...)11:03
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vi_juozapas: do you want tracking or mapping?11:08
freemangordonEstel_, the new requirement for CA does not make sense, most of the candidates have their TMO accont linked to their account ;)11:08
freemangordonif not all11:08
juozapasvi_: tracking, routing11:09
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StyXmanjuozapas: well, routing in marble is abit flaky11:11
StyXmanI mostly use it as a 'follow me' digital map11:11
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juozapasStyXman: do you know something better ?11:12
juozapasactually routing is the most important for  me11:13
juozapasin offline mode11:13
StyXmanjuozapas: I hadn't tried others11:14
DocScrutinizer51afaik only marble11:15
DocScrutinizer51comes with monav11:15
DocScrutinizer51I dunno how it's flaky11:16
DocScrutinizer51proper setup maybe is a bit problematic11:17
StyXmanDocScrutinizer51: sometimes it doesn't find a route, specially between countries11:17
DocScrutinizer51err, yeah11:17
StyXmaneven when I downloaded both countries' data11:18
DocScrutinizer51international routing is immanently more complex than national11:18
DocScrutinizer51monav is using database of routes AFAIK11:18
DocScrutinizer51obviously that database has borders11:19
DocScrutinizer51workaround: set a route to point where you plan to cross border11:19
DocScrutinizer51then route on from there11:19
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Jaffafreemangordon: That was the point I was trying to make in my email11:21
DocScrutinizer51moo Jaffa11:21
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JaffaDocScrutinizer51: baa11:22
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* DocScrutinizer51 ponders a auto-replace for outbound posts moo->good morning11:23
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DocScrutinizer51first faintly useful usecase I come up with, for this irc client feature11:24
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DocScrutinizer51good morning chem|st11:24
DocScrutinizer51ooh no, not really. I also got this since ages:11:24
chem|stif it is good will depend...11:24
DocScrutinizertime for 12648430   ☕11:24
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: my sister got an n900 finally11:24
chem|stwill be some work tonight... she found some remains^^ installed ssh some other shit and KP...11:25
DocScrutinizer51how did you manage that?11:25
DocScrutinizer51eeeeek KP, sounds like an OCer's device11:26
chem|stI got her from windows to linux as she is interessted, she went slackware and I said "have fun" ;)11:26
chem|stnow I got her with debian testing and 2 weeks ago she had a hands-on with my n900 and went crazy11:27
chem|stno she installed KP11:27
chem|stfirst thing we did yesterday was "uninstalling KP"11:27
chem|stsome things are still set even after factory reset and osso-notes wont start11:28
chem|stso I said for a clean start she should flash the thing for good11:28
DocScrutinizer51faqctory reset is quite questionable11:28
chem|stit is, tried it once as I made a mess, but settings I messed up did not get set back11:29
DocScrutinizer51yeah, sure11:29
DocScrutinizer51some are not stored in $HOME11:29
DocScrutinizer51basically fucktory-reset can only reset the things they took into account when creating the script11:30
chem|stwell getting a used device means flashing first11:30
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freemangordonJaffa, yes, I know11:43
teotwakiJaffa & freemangordon: Less and less of the CA rules are making sense.11:44
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teotwakiBasically, this is looking almost as bad the best satire from The Club of the Merry and the Resourceful.11:46
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kleahi... i got a used n900 and discovered that has a very low wifi reception. 2m from the access point and get 15% signal quality. any ideas?11:49
klea... link quality11:50
chem|stklea: what router brand and which nettype?11:51
chem|stdon't know if it still applies but some router's powersaving setups make that even worse11:52
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kleai tried it with 2 different routers that otherwise work fine. i also cant even detect many wireless nets that other devices find. i m quite sure its a n900 problem and i m afraid its a hardware one11:54
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kleaboth g networks. siemens and thomson routers.11:56
Hurriantried it with any other devices?11:56
kleait cant even see the nets that other devices easily find and connect to.11:57
kleacould it be an antenna problem?11:58
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Hurrianyeah, the antenna could be dislodged or something11:59
Hurriandid you drop it pretty hard?12:00
Hurrianthe antenna assembly is screwed on12:00
kleai got it used so imagine...12:01
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kleais there something i could try? i cant find anybody in the forums with a similar problem....12:02
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DocScrutinizer51klea: make sure you are using a free channel not interfering with neighbour's AP12:16
DocScrutinizer51klea: signal *quality* - think about it! Use wifi eye12:16
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MrPinguI am lucky here, neighbour left uses channel 1 on the other side they use channel 11 :)12:19
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chem|stEstel_: most people applying for "community awards" show as bare "I have never seen" and "they ported/patch stuff" thought the idea of community awards was to honor people not getting devices cause they do not code much but are contributing to the community in other important ways?!12:21
DocScrutinizer51the whole CA idea is very bewildering12:23
chem|stklea: how about cleaning the wifi antenna connectors? they are spring-connectors12:24
DocScrutinizer51based on the initial statement I should apply for a N9 ;-P12:24
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: sure!12:24
DocScrutinizer51well, it would allow me to rape one, and destroy it to make highres scans of interior12:25
teotwakiLooking at how many people have applied, and for what stupid reasons, DocScrutinizer, we probably ought to.12:25
chem|stbut only non-developers or dvelopers without device yet AND contributing to the community in another way than bare coding should get devices12:25
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer: but then again, I wouldn't want to be put in the same bag as those tossers.12:25
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DocScrutinizer51chem|st: AIUI CA is a gift, while my devices are all loaners (except those I payed for, and the hooker800 gift)12:26
DocScrutinizer51~wtf aiui12:27
infobotAIUI: as I understand it12:27
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chem|stwell they should just make those loaners become gifts then too12:27
chem|stthose 100devices are all gifts...12:28
HurrianDocScrutinizer, you didn't get the N950 for devs from Nokia?12:29
DocScrutinizer51sure I did12:30
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DocScrutinizer51CA announcement explicitly states those who got a N950 can apply for N912:30
chem|styes I know12:30
Hurriannah, I meant the "loaner" part12:30
Hurriandidn't they give them away (of course, you can't sell them)12:31
DocScrutinizer51Hurrian: all N950 are loaners so far12:31
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Hurrian"not-for-resale, property of nokia" stamped on it?12:32
DocScrutinizer51I mustn't even lose it, otherwise pay at least 500EUR penalty12:32
fastlane`if you lost it you will have to pay :o12:32
fastlane`thats bad12:32
DocScrutinizer51that's the deal with NDA loaner prototypes12:32
HurrianDocScrutinizer, do you have the silver one or the black one?12:33
DocScrutinizer51some funny superjerks even suggested the NDA itself was under NDA12:33
fastlane`so it means if i had it, i wud never take it out of the house, since my neighbourhood has this cell phone snatching stuff going on a lot12:33
HurrianDocScrutinizer51, I could see that getting a "Yo dawg" joke12:34
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Hurrianwas it a silver or black one?12:35
DocScrutinizer51the n950? black12:35
DocScrutinizer51didn't know there were any silver ones12:35
Hurriansome people apparently have silver ones, similar to the "N9" leaks and the Jessie's girl ad12:35
Hurrianwonder if nokia's going to ever bother to ask for all of them and chuck them into the disintegrator12:36
DocScrutinizer51prolly not12:36
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DocScrutinizer51too expensive ;-P12:36
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DocScrutinizer51they may instruct any n950 owner to send device on to next devel though12:37
Hurrianthey are pretty similar on the inside though, right?12:38
Hurrian(to the N9)12:38
DocScrutinizer51otherwise their purpose of being a developer device for HARM would be defeated12:39
DocScrutinizer51there shipped a diff list with some firmware version for n950 HARM12:39
infobot[iirc] "if I recall correctly"12:40
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kleaDocScrutinizer51 im next to the router and  iwconfig gives me Power Management:on12:50
klea          Link Quality=40/100  Signal level:-69 dBm  Noise level=-96 dBm12:50
DocScrutinizer51looks all ok'ish to me12:50
DocScrutinizer51just like interference12:51
DocScrutinizer51signal level anyway is not that bad with -69dBm12:51
DocScrutinizer51so no broken antenna12:51
kleachemist. thats a good idea. though i have never opened a n900 yet :)12:52
DocScrutinizer51don't do it12:52
DocScrutinizer51there are no user serviceable parts inside12:52
DocScrutinizer51esp in your case12:52
DocScrutinizer51klea: by any means test with another AP12:54
teotwakior simply a laptop running as an AP12:54
DocScrutinizer51set PSM to min on N90012:54
teotwakito see if you're getting any kind of traffic12:54
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teotwakior PSM off completely, for the test, though I haven't heard of anyone who couldn't _connect_ due to PSM, only people who couldn't _remain_ connected.12:55
DocScrutinizer51yep, though min=off12:55
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DocScrutinizer51WTF my t900 doesn't know about chan13 :-S12:57
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DocScrutinizer51switched AP to chan13, IroN900 not even lost connection, T900 doesn't see AP anymore12:58
* DocScrutinizer51 idly wonders what region setting T900 came with12:58
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vi_DocScrutinizer51: you need to change region to Japan13:00
vi_iw reg set JP13:00
DocScrutinizer51N9:connected, N950:connected, N810:connected ;-P, just T900:doesn't_see_AP13:01
vi_DocScrutinizer51: my one is _slow_ to see channel 13.  It rarely shows up on the first scan13:02
vi_NFC why.13:02
vi_However if I send the dbus ICD 'connect' commanbd it finds it strait way mostly.13:03
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DocScrutinizer51the PITA: now I can't ssh in to T900, to do *anything* :-P13:05
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chem|stteotwaki: yeah loosing connections or crappy rates13:06
chem|stI don't mind having 8Mbit at home and keep it on, with the vanilla firmware it has been reported to loose connection ddwrt did it for me13:07
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teotwakiThe antenna might be loose though :)13:07
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DocScrutinizer51no way13:08
chem|stnot into english yet, seems to be a coffee issue^^13:08
DocScrutinizer51-69dBm looks not like poor signal strength caused by broken antenna13:08
teotwakiholy crap13:08
teotwaki$4rah{#}c*n'%+-/=?^ is a valid email address.13:08
chem|stsarah who?13:09
Hurrianteotwaki, according to which parser?13:09
teotwakiyet, $4rah{#}c*n'%+-/=?^ is not valid.13:09
teotwakiHurrian: according to the RFC.13:09
DocScrutinizer51I thought I don't have any /ignores on this client yet13:09
DocScrutinizer51ending with dot not allowed?13:10
teotwakineither is
teotwakior .foobar@13:10
teotwakibut f.o.o.b.a.r@ is allowed13:11
DocScrutinizer51ohwell, uppercase not allowed as well13:11
teotwakiactually, it is.13:11
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DocScrutinizer51nope, not afaik13:11
teotwakiUppercase and lowercase English letters (a–z, A–Z) (ASCII: 65-90, 97-122)13:11
DocScrutinizer51this must have changed since I last checked13:12
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teotwakithis is also a valid email address: "()<>[]:,;@\\\"!#$%&'*+-/=?^_`{}|\ \ ~\ \ \ ?\ \ \ ^_`{}|~.a" or "very.(),:;<>[]\".VERY.\"very@\\\ \"very\".unusual"@strange.example.com13:13
DocScrutinizer51what's all that escaping?13:14
chem|stteotwaki: as you just read stuff for gmail, is it possible to make an autoresponse like "address not available" for a single sender?13:14
teotwakino idea13:15
teotwakiYou probably can with cannedreps13:16
teotwakichem|st: do you know "Canned Responses"?13:16
teotwakichem|st: gmail plugin, which enables you to write templates for specific replies, you can activate it with filters.13:17
chem|stty just found it myself13:23
Palifreemangordon, seems that battery temperature is on madc channel 0 (not 1), see file Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf on internet13:23
PaliI will write all info to one place/textfile/mail13:23
DocScrutinizer51make what cheesier ?13:35
DocScrutinizer51Pali: might be a pragma origin issue13:38
DocScrutinizer51ADCIN1 might be on channel 013:38
DocScrutinizer51or ADCIN0 might be on first channel = 113:39
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PaliDocScrutinizer51, I mean ADCIN0 istead ADCIN113:39
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Paliin kernel is also ADCIN0 and ADCIN113:41
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Palibut BTEMP is in kernel defined to ADCIN113:41
DocScrutinizer51101 #define TWL4030_MADC_BTEMP              TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN113:41
Palibut in that nokia pdf is BTEM ADCIN013:41
Palisee page 4 of Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf13:41
DocScrutinizer51I know the schematics, I always referred to them when suggesting which ADC for bettemp13:42
Palithere is also comment "battery temperature sensor"13:42
DocScrutinizer51bat temp*13:42
DocScrutinizer51and iirc a 10kR NTC13:42
Palibut what is correct? kernel code or that pdf?13:43
DocScrutinizer51you'll have to test it :-)13:43
Paliboth of course not :D13:43
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DocScrutinizer5183 #define TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN0             (1<<0)13:44
DocScrutinizer5184 #define TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1             (1<<1)13:44
DocScrutinizer51I'd guess so13:44
Palicould be13:44
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DocScrutinizer51DUH WHAT? we got VBUS on ADC?13:45
DocScrutinizer51Pali: could you expose those ADC via sysfs in a "human readable form" in KP?13:46
Paliin 3.x kernel there is hwmon driver for that13:47
PaliI will look if it is compatible with KP and copy it13:47
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DocScrutinizer51Pali: anyway you could check what pin H4 is named like and description in twl4030 UM13:50
PaliDocScrutinizer51, what do you will do with VBUS from ADC?13:50
DocScrutinizer51Pali: do *decent* fastcharger detection13:51
DocScrutinizer51increase charge current from USB while monitoring voltage13:51
PaliADCIN4 is BSI13:51
DocScrutinizer51(hwmon) \o/ many thanks13:51
PaliADCIN12 is battery level13:52
Pali(taken from armel binary bsi-read)13:52
DocScrutinizer51ACIIN2 is about headset iirc13:52
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DocScrutinizer51confirm ADCIN4=BSI, from schem13:53
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DocScrutinizer51ADCIN2=mic_hs aka hold-button13:56
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PaliADCIN2 is always 1023 on my N90013:58
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PaliADCIN2 is 4-6 when I connected my headset13:58
DocScrutinizer51(fastcharge) step up charging current from USB until a sudden drop in voltage, then go back to charging current = 0 and step up til last 'good' step13:58
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DocScrutinizer51(headset) with an original headset you should see pressing of headset button on ADCIN213:59
PaliADCIN2 is 3 when I pressed headset button13:59
DocScrutinizer51well, connecting headset doesn't mean your mic always got powered already14:00
DocScrutinizer51test it while call established14:01
DocScrutinizer51btw this is even the right path to implement driver for multibutton headset14:03
trxthats interesting14:04
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DocScrutinizer51we "just" need to sample values from ADCIN2 with > maybe 30ksamples/s14:04
DocScrutinizer51the convert to serial decoding alias soft UART14:04
DocScrutinizer51and switch output voltage to send14:05
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DocScrutinizer51it's a one-wire bidir serial async transmission14:05
DocScrutinizer51somebody did decent scope pictures, maybe it's been ShadowJK or jacekowski or dunno who14:06
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chem|stanidel: hey14:26
chem|stlong time no see14:26
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anidelhey chem|st, yup...sorry I was out for lunch14:58
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chem|stanidel: no worries, any future plans for xournal? like a google docs or even drive plugin?15:23
anidelI'm working on it to port it to Harmattan, it's a big rewrite and less time than before though :(15:23
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cehtehgrmpf ... device doesnt boot anymore, not even bootmenu15:30
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cehtehEstel_: you are sure your freswap deinstalls cleanly? .. i didnt tried much else past time15:31
chem|stcehteh: charging?15:32
chem|stsry, does it charge when off?15:33
cehtehthats the old bug .. it doesnt boot connected or unconncected15:33
cehtehscreen stays black and blank but lit15:33
cehtehkernel seems to come up but userland hangs very early15:33
chem|stsounds like flashing to me15:34
cehtehbackupmenu barfs with /usr/sbin/evkey not found15:35
chem|stanidel: yeah read about that, a rewrite 'again' didn't you already rewrite a lot of your code back on porting to fremantle?15:39
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cehtehis RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the latest? (dont want to peel my battery out to send my imei to nokia)15:55
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anidelchem|st yep, but that was the UI, not it's more complicated. For Qt would be better to have a C++ version of Xournal. Luckily there's Xournal++ but I've got to understand it again and see if it is stable aenough16:13
Sicelocehteh: i 'solved' the evkey thing by making a link to /usr/bin/evkey16:14
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Siceloreflash if you really need to. if you wan't to try other thingsp i recommend NIN101's RescueOs .. very handy16:15
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dafoxdoes anyone if there (currently) exists a (global) audio-equalizer for the n900? I searched and all I could come up with was a seemingly outdated gst renderer plugin. I would like something which can adjust the global volume so that it works for applications other than my mediaplayer too (e.g. phone, games, etc).16:46
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cehtehwaa .. backupmenu is broken!! *DANGER* :D ...16:50
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cehtehcan anyone please issue dpkg -S /usr/sbin/evkey and tell me the result16:51
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peetahcehteh: copy usr/bin/evkey to usr/sbin16:53
peetahit's a known issue16:53
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Neutron_how does the process of switching between 2G and 3G networks work? is there any way to tweak some settings to make the device switch over faster when it loses its HSDPA signal and falls back to EDGE?16:53
vi_cehteh: symlink /usr/bin/evkey to /usr/sbin/evkey16:53
Neutron_such as by keeping both radios active at the same time or something along those lines16:53
cehtehpeetah: great .. that killed my device :P16:53
cehtehi mean the bug .. i flashed now16:54
vi_Neutron_: no, it is a closed source nokia thing.16:54
Neutron_vi_: hmm I see. would that be some "radio firmware image" then?16:54
vi_CMT to be precise.16:54
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chem|stanidel: ah UI that was16:56
chem|stthen good luck with your aged ++ code16:56
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LaoLang_coolHow to set the foreground/background color of xterm?17:43
Sicelohit the 'application bar' on top, choose Font17:44
LaoLang_coolSicelo, thank you!17:45
LaoLang_coolSicelo, can I set it in a config file?17:50
LaoLang_coolI have a color code17:51
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Sicelogconftool-2 then17:51
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chem|stLaoLang_cool: gconftool-2 -s --type=string /apps/osso/xterm/background=#0000018:01
chem|st#000000 of course18:03
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LaoLang_coolchem|st, wow, thank you!18:05
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LaoLang_coolchem|st, it warns: No value to set for key: `/apps/osso/xterm/background=#DDDDAA'18:11
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PaliI builded new version of bootmenu which should fix evkey problem18:17
Palisee thread on TMO18:17
Palireport if problems was solved18:18
LaoLang_cooltime to sleep, good night!18:19
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chem|stno "=" sry18:20
X-FadeI wonder who thought it was a good idea to have people mail to a public mailinglist to get a free device :P18:20
teotwakiX-Fade: it's just to make maemo show up in the "active projects" again :)18:22
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X-FadeMagical mail multiplier..18:23
teotwakionce this is over18:23
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teotwakiI'll start a "email your bio if you want to receive viagra!"18:23
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vi_after this is over I am sure a lot of the new activity will go dormant again.18:24
MohammadAGmade a plugin based toggle system for Harmattan18:24
X-FadeI'm thinking of putting a mail rule in the list server..18:24
MohammadAGUI sucks, for now18:24
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X-FadeMohammadAG: What does it do?18:26
MohammadAGX-Fade, look at the screenshot :p18:27
MohammadAGclicking the off should turn on airplane mode18:27
X-FadeMohammadAG: I did ;)18:27
X-FadeOk, that wasn't very obvious :P18:27
MohammadAGit's a toggle system :p18:28
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MohammadAGand implementing a toggle is piss easy18:29
MohammadAGthen just compile as a lib and drop it in /usr/lib/mt-toggles, the rest should be handled by the main lib18:30
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vi_freemangordon: ping18:38
Woody14619K, silly IRC question, as I've not been using it for over a decade.  When I connect via wifi on my N900, I get on just fine and life is grand.  When I connect via TMobil, I get some error about "SASL required".  Everything Google finds talks about setting up nickserv stuff to authenticate on login, which I'm doing.18:41
wmaronewhat's your mobile provider?18:41
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wmaronedunno, I get the same thing here on AT&T18:41 tends to let me in18:42
teotwakiWoody14619: connect using ssl18:42
wmaroneSASL has to be built into xchat for it to work, I believe18:42
Woody14619I think that was one of the ones that specificly rejected me.. but I'll try it later.18:42
teotwakiWoody14619: it's basically an auth mechanism18:42
Woody14619teotwaki, I tried that, but even connecting via SSL it spit out the same error and hung up on me.18:43
Woody14619And again, SSL or not, the same client connect just fine when I'm on wifi just about anywhere.18:43
teotwakiWoody14619: xchat?18:43
wmaroneyeah, freenode has an allergy to the wireless carriers' networks18:43
Woody14619And I'm getting messages from the server, so technically I'm connected... until it dumps be for not authneditcaing.18:44
Woody14619teotwaki, yes, xchat. :)18:44
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Woody14619teotwaki, thanks!  I'll throw that in and see if it works.  Guese my google-foo is not so good either? :P18:45
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chem|stMohammadAG: any thought on extending your sociality with upload plugins?18:49
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freemangordonvi_, pong18:50
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MohammadAGchem|st, Sociality already supports uploading, so I might do that18:50
freemangordonMohammadAG, N900 or N9?18:51
MohammadAGN9 uploading isn't done yet18:51
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freemangordonbut isn't it better to RE the plugins?18:51
vi_freemangordon: good afternoon squire.18:51
vi_I am on a bug hunt18:51
MohammadAGfreemangordon, depends if you're using sociality or not18:52
MohammadAGhe asked about it18:52
freemangordonaah, ok18:52
freemangordonvi_, which one?18:52
chem|stMohammadAG: yeah, would come handy to not start sociality for a snapshot each time18:52
MohammadAGcan sharing plugins be in Qt?18:52
vi_freemangordon: if I load this:18:53
vi_everything is just nice and peachy18:53
vi_I launch the camera.18:53
vi_Then instacrash/reboot.18:53
chem|stMohammadAG: no idea18:53
vi_but ONLY if smart reflex is on.18:54
chem|stMohammadAG: did you have a look at yet or is that out of your range?18:54
vi_if I then take the voltage SR is using for 900MHz18:54
vi_and set it manually and lock to 900MHz it works fine18:54
vi_in fact I can go a little bit lower than what SR recommends18:55
freemangordonvi_, does "stock" frequencies lead to reboot, when SR is turned on?18:55
MohammadAGchem|st, actually looks simple18:56
vi_whenever I launch the camera, with the above settings18:56
freemangordonvi_, any stack trace? /dev/mtd218:56
chem|stMohammadAG: facebook or drive?18:56
vi_I have tried eliminating the settings one by one18:56
rzs19is meego more lightweight than maemo?18:56
MohammadAGno, maemo is way more lightweight18:57
chem|stafaik it needs to be in chrome-store to have actually access18:57
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vi_freemangordon: 1 sec18:58
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freemangordonvi_, could you install hildon-desktop from cssu-devel repo to see if it fixes that issue?19:01
chem|sthmm, gtg cleaning drip rails... will be on later with my sister needing guidance with her new and shiny n90019:01
vi_freemangordon: 1st. How do I see debug messages on mtd2?19:06
freemangordonvi_, well, try with dd or cat, actually I am using winscp :)19:07
freemangordonvi_, you started some explanation re elimination19:08
freemangordonvi_, BTW i cannot reprodice the crash here, runing kernel-cssu v1, and latest-greatest stuff from cssu-devel/thumb19:09
vi_freemangordon: mmm19:11
freemangordonvi_, mmm as in?19:11
freemangordonPali, ping19:13
vi_freemangordon: finally a pastebin that will work.19:15
vi_is my mtd219:15
vi_I do not have cssu-dev enabled19:15
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freemangordonvi_, yes, I know19:16
freemangordonbut you'd better enable it19:16
freemangordonvi_, forget about that19:17
freemangordonthe crash is in sr_ntarget_add_margin19:17
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freemangordonvi_, may I have your uname -a?19:18
wmaronefacebook must have changed something, the facebook widget doesn't seem able to grab anything anymore....19:18
vi_I stand corrected.  It DOES work at 250-600MHz but nothing any higher. i.e. 250-720.19:18
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vi_sure, as soon as I have booted up again!19:19
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vi_I must add a line to rc-late that checks if camera slide is oipen and automatically runs fsck if it is so I can happily recover from these crashes when playing with settings.19:19
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freemangordonvi_, why , why, you nearly cause me a heart attack, I was swearing every now and then SR is 100% stable for stock frequencies :D19:20
vi_my device is a bad egg.19:21
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freemangordonnah, it is ok if you don't have crash when frequencies are in range 250-600 and SR is enabled19:21
freemangordonvi_, may I have your uname -a before you start playing with rc-late19:22
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vi_freemangordon: Linux n900 #1 PREEMPT Sun Mar 18 20:10:56 EET 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux19:31
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freemangordonvi_, how doy you control DSP frequencies?19:39
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vi_I echo the appropriate values to the /sys/place19:42
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vi_echo "90 90 180 360 430 600 600 600 600 600 600 600 600" > /sys/power/dsp_opps_rate19:43
vi_^like that19:43
freemangordonhmmm, could you install KPS (i know you hate it, but just for the test) and do kernel-config load dsp19:43
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freemangordonthen try again19:44
vi_well I DO have the kernel-config script19:44
vi_just none of the upstart nonsense that goes with it19:44
vi_current frequency: 90019:45
vi_supported frequencies: 125 250 500 550 600 720 805 850 900 950 1000 1100 115019:45
vi_min. frequency: 25019:45
vi_max. frequency: 90019:45
vi_avoid frequencies: 125 550 850 950 1000 1100 115019:45
vi_active frequencies: 0:30,90 250:37,180 500:54,360 600:47,600 720:51,600 805:54,600 900:60,60019:45
vi_SmartReflex VDD1=1, VDD2=119:45
vi_could you pastebin the dsp profile for me?19:46
freemangordonvi_, does not look good19:46
freemangordonjust a second19:47
vi_what aspect of the above do you find distressing?19:47
freemangordonas a start19:48
freemangordonthat is mine
vi_those are not 'real voltages'19:49
vi_they are just some junk kernel config says19:49
vi_my kernel-config output never changes even when SR is enabled.19:49
freemangordonI am talking abot "0" frequency, that was some hack made by titan, it is removed in KP 5019:49
vi_my real voltages are:19:50
vi_ cat  /sys/power/vdd1_opps_vsel19:50
vi_30 24 37 54 41 47 51 54 55 60 60 72 7219:50
vi_I NEVER set the voltages.19:50
freemangordonvi_,please,  lets try KPS, there is no use to argue .19:50
vi_I boot with stock voltages, then let SR set them.19:51
freemangordonAnd  am not talking about voltages :)19:51
freemangordonbut for zero frequency19:51
vi_I hope kps has been fixed to be fully purgable now...19:51
freemangordonwell, NFC :)19:51
vi_It is an abomination19:51
freemangordonthere are some remnans?19:51
freemangordonnever been aware of such a bug19:52
vi_you try to uninstall it and sometimes on reboots it says 'A REBOOT WAS DETECTED!!11!1 YOUR OVERCLOCK HAS NOT BEEN APPLIED!!1!"19:52
vi_and I am like, WTF, I uninstalled you piece of shit.19:52
vi_current frequency: 90019:53
vi_supported frequencies: 125 250 500 550 600 720 805 850 900 950 1000 1100 115019:53
vi_min. frequency: 90019:53
vi_max. frequency: 90019:53
vi_avoid frequencies: 125 550 850 950 1000 1100 115019:53
vi_active frequencies: 250:24,90 500:37,180 600:41,430 720:47,600 805:51,600 900:55,60019:53
vi_SmartReflex VDD1=1, VDD2=119:53
vi_governor ondemand: ignore nice load= 0, up threshold= 80, sampling rate= 150000, powersave bias= 019:53
freemangordonhmm. AFAIK that is a part of KP, not KPS. Could be wring, never been so much in scripts coming with KP19:53
vi_is the new output19:53
vi_It is not your fault and it does no harm to the system.  I am just fussy.19:54
freemangordonvi_, I am not sure how KP will handle those missing frequencies above 90019:54
freemangordon950-1150 range19:54
freemangordonaorry, scratch that19:55
freemangordonwell, you could try now19:56
freemangordonif it reboots again, I will insist on installing KPS and try with dsp profile19:56
freemangordonvi_ ^^^19:56
vi_I have installed kps19:57
vi_just for you!19:57
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freemangordonTHANK YOU19:57
vi_however I still need the 'dsp' kernel config file19:58
freemangordonlets try with dsp profile, I hope you don't have some dbus scripts or ather shit changing OC on-the-fly19:58
freemangordonvi_, it is a part of KPS19:58
freemangordonkerna=el-config load dsp should work OOB19:59
vi_bwahaha.  Ironically I was the one who showed karam how to change OC shit with dbus scripts.19:59
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infobotfreemangordon meant: kernel-config load dsp should work OOB19:59
vi_so in a way I am the grandfather of batterypatch19:59
freemangordonyeah, :D20:00
MrPinguAre you proud of that? :P20:01
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freemangordonseems he is, at lest not ashamed :P20:01
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vi_sorry had to take a call20:09
vi_with dsp profile20:09
freemangordonhmm, that is really strange20:09
freemangordonseems there is a bug, I just can't reproduce it20:10
vi_I must add that this crash only happens with those wacky compcache settings.20:10
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freemangordonvi_, how did you install KP?20:17
freemangordonvi_, scratch that, your KP seems correct one20:18
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freemangordonvi_, could you use some profile which does not OC DSP, I need to figure where i the code is the crash20:23
freemangordoni.e. DSM frequency to be limited to 43020:23
Palipong, freemangordon20:24
freemangordonthat way it should NOT crash if I am getting what the bug is20:24
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freemangordonPali, NFC if it works :)20:24
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Paliok :)20:25
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vi_ok, I will create a non dsp overclocking profile and test it.  I should add, this ONLY happens with compcache module loaded20:31
vi_I have to go for some hours, I will report back later.20:31
freemangordonvi_, I see, could be a nug in compcache too. ok20:32
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Venemohey guys :)20:36
VenemoEstel_: congrats for your election! :)20:36
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freemangordonWTF?!? is thumb2 compiled!!!21:50
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51 ^^^ :P21:50
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infobothmm... maemo-flashing is
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DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: well, I guess MohammadAGhas no monopoly on fscking up builds like that22:30
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DocScrutinizer51btw libWHAT?22:31
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: facebook sharing plugin, i.e. photo uploader22:32
DocScrutinizer51maybe you should grant author of that lib a favour and tell him *why* his lib SIGILLs all the time ;-P22:33
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, it is nokia :
freemangordonyeah, closed source, Fremantle rootfs  :D:D:D22:34
DocScrutinizer51I already anticipate next statement22:34
freemangordonyeah, we MUST HAVE thumb errata workaround enabled :P22:35
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DocScrutinizer51well, actually I consider this a great opportunity to make Nokia participate a bit more on fremantle, either by opening up src, or by contributing some fixes to things they don't wanna open, or even by joining in to shed some light on thumb erratum isse, by evaluation and expertise22:38
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, it is not about facebrick, the fact there is at least one thumb-compiled binary distributed by Nokia itself should ring the bell22:38
freemangordonDo you think it is only that one?22:38
DocScrutinizer51errr, yes, in fact I think it's only that one22:39
Palifreemangordon, how do you know that library is thumb?22:39
freemangordonPali, that is why I started REing the stupid FB libs22:39
DocScrutinizer51until somebody proves me wrong22:39
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freemangordonPali, IDA never lies :)22:39
Palihas thumb info written in ELF header?22:39
Paliok :)22:39
DocScrutinizer51though I recall my weird results of mass-checking binaries some 6 months ago22:39
freemangordontext:0000310E                 BEQ.W           loc_358822:39
freemangordonor even better:22:40
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freemangordontext:0000310C 00 28                       CMP             R0, #022:40
freemangordonPali, 2 byte instructions ;)22:41
Palifreemangordon, download fiasco rx51 image, unpack rootfs and run shell script on all elf binaries22:41
DocScrutinizer51that's exactly what I did22:41
Palimaybe it is not only one thumb binary22:41
DocScrutinizer51though I just checked for "illegal instruction"22:41
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, look at the offsets, those are not 32bit aligned22:41
freemangordonI am not sure we can find thumb compiled binaries so easy. we need a disassemble for start22:42
freemangordonNFC if gdb can do abjdump22:43
DocScrutinizer51I used that age old unix tool the name of I can't recall right now22:43
DocScrutinizer51objdump can do objdump :-P22:44
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, could you run that against /usr/lib/sharing/plugins/libfacebooksharingservice.so22:44
DocScrutinizer51I HONESTLY hope no such friggin lib on my system!!22:44
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, I don't give a shit if you like FB or not, that is not what the discussion is for22:45
DocScrutinizer51IroN900:~# ls -l  /usr/lib/sharing/plugins/libfacebooksharingservice.so22:46
DocScrutinizer51ls: Zugriff auf /usr/lib/sharing/plugins/ nicht möglich: No such file or directory22:46
DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: asshat! ;-P22:46
freemangordonyeah, no FB sharing plugin installed22:46
DocScrutinizer51you think I should install it?22:47
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, you have that toll on your system, seems to me the easiest way to check if it can/not detect thumb binaries22:47
DocScrutinizer51apt-get install binutils-gnu22:48
freemangordonthe package is sharing-service-facebook22:48
DocScrutinizer51NFC what to install for spacefick22:48
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Pali$ arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump -d a.out | sed 's/\s\s*/ /g' | cut -f3 -d' ' | grep -q '^....$' && echo "Binary has thumb code"22:50
Palifreemangordon, use this for checking ^^^22:51
freemangordonhmm, sometething very strange here, the version on is 4.4, but the version on my device is 5.122:51
DocScrutinizer51Pali: I guess it will need some tweaks?22:52
Paliit checking if binary has some 16bit instruction22:53
Estel_chem|st, teotwaki, sure, many people apply for devices without much merit behind it, but, on the other hand, I think that most "wise ones" can't read short reequiments with understanding22:53
DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: I confess I forgat the correct parameters for objdump invocation22:53
Estel_who the hell said that developers can't apply for device?!22:54
DocScrutinizer51took me some time to get it all right22:54
Estel_I will quote a nice snippet to You, especially chem|st22:54
Palialso you can try to use readelf22:54
Estel_"Unlike other programs, target audience of Community Awards aren't only developers. Suitable candidates include (also) dedicated testers, helpers, hardware modders, contributing participants of brainstorms and so goes on. Usually, it's a mix of all presented above. "22:54
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, I enough of a thumb2, will leave the exercise for someone else22:54
Pali$ readelf -a a.out | grep -i thumb22:54
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Estel_chem|st, teotwaki, does it sounds like "devs shouldn't apply"?!22:55
Estel_freemangordon, wtf?22:55
Estel_something doesn't work like it should?22:55
freemangordoneven better22:55
freemangordon[21:47] <freemangordon> WTF?!? is thumb2 compiled!!!22:55
Estel_teotwaki, if You don't like CA idea, solution is simpel - don't submit, don't follow.22:55
Estel_I don't see anything bad about people sending submissions without reason - no one said they're going to get device22:56
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: please reconsider your notion, you're council now22:56
Estel_BTW, saying that "you don't want to sit in same hat as those idiots" is out of line- especially, that amongst submitters, we have freemangordon, Pali, MAG, etc22:56
Estel_DocScrutinizer, IIRC, i never promised thatI'll pretend I'm someone else after council election22:57
freemangordonguys, where the fuck sharing-service-facebook_0.5.1_armel.deb comes from? OVI store?22:57
DocScrutinizer51I constantly become green hulk when somebody says "like it or leave it, but shut up"22:57
Estel_furthermore, I did my best, to show people, that i'm not a type of "diplomat" in some cases.22:57
freemangordonbecause that is what i have installed on my device22:57
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Estel_DocScrutinizer, wlel, it's Your right to become a hulk22:57
Estel_I don't see much merit behind teotwaki's whinning22:58
MrPingufreemangordon , examine what the FB installer does ;)22:58
Estel_CA is other thing than coding Competition.22:58
DocScrutinizer51I don't see much sound rationale and aim behind CA22:58
Estel_Ca is for contributions to community seen as in "big picture" - mix of all things, developing is only part of them22:58
Estel_for example, qwerty wouldn't, probably, get Ca, if he would be still active in the way he waas.22:59
MrPinguWhen you reflash your device you get a FB icon, when clicking that it opens HAM22:59
Estel_sure, he was great dev, and would get device in most categories easily, probably...22:59
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Estel_But not in CA, as he wasn't very "community" type ;)22:59
DocScrutinizer51well, I don't mind... almost. I just hope it won't lure away even more gifted experts from fremantle22:59
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freemangordonMrPingu: IIRC sharing plugin could be installed from HAM23:00
Estel_DocScrutinizer, last eyar i also thought like that.23:00
freemangordonno need to click FB installer23:00
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Estel_ho ever, I realized, that reasonable people stay in communtiy even after receiving devi9ce...23:00
Estel_see Nicolai23:00
Estel_and people that leave Fremantle as soon as receive device, would do it for any reason23:00
Estel_be it new samsung galaxy, new android toy, or whatever23:00
MrPingufreemangordon: I will check, still have a clean device ;)23:00
DocScrutinizer51oh well, take your happy pills in shape of N9 and celebrate you're such a great community, and even with all new guys nobody ever heard about23:01
DocScrutinizer51I don't care23:01
Estel_DocScrutinizer, what's the problem? you never heard about such guys, that try their luck?23:01
Estel_again, submission ≃ getting device23:01
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DocScrutinizer51again, I couldn't care less23:02
Estel_so, why so asshatish about it?;)23:02
DocScrutinizer51friggin 25 devices23:02
Estel_"take Your happy pills" and such thing doesn't sound like someone whi doesn't care,m at least emotionally.23:02
Estel_odl rascal ;)23:02
* MrPingu waits till HAM stops spinning that circle23:03
Estel_it seems to me, that - first time - people who already contributed much will get devices, instead of ones that just "rpomise" new things, where, maybe, in good times, 10% are fulfilled.23:03
DocScrutinizer51and felt 2500 fools are exposing their silliness and greed23:03
Estel_well, it's fool's problem23:03
Estel_not our.23:03
Estel_It sounds, that You're more irritated by idiots spamming mailing list, than whole merit ;)23:04
DocScrutinizer51it's my problem when I have to deal with it in a chan where I mod23:04
Estel_well, My initial diea was to use for submissions23:04
infobotEstel_ meant: well, My initial idea was to use for submissions23:04
Estel_couldn't do that thouigh, as X-Fade is ages late to prepare mail cloaks for us23:04
Estel_i.e. register our mails as aliases23:05
Estel_well, i'm still happy, as we managed to make KP get out of testing :D23:05
Estel_after all, mailing list got small nice button called "stop delivering mails", so you can take 3 weeks vacation from list ;)23:05
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DocScrutinizer51dunno which button you talk about23:06
Estel_go into configuration of mailing lsit. You can make it stop delivering mails without unsubscribing23:07
DocScrutinizer51I'm ignoring ML since 18 onths +23:07
Estel_mainly used for vacations and such.23:07
freemangordonWho the hell is that guy and where that .deb comes from?23:07
Estel_well, so You got even less reason to be bitching about CA.23:07
MrPinguFreemangordon: I can't find facebook-sharing service in HAM,23:07
Estel_after all, mailing lsit is where most submissions land.23:07
MrPinguso it's not in user category23:07
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Estel_freemangordon, no idea23:08
Estel_generally, i though msot dramas happen on TMO23:08
DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: BWAHAHAHA23:08
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Estel_but now, after "you won't hijack CSSU" (tm) and "CA will doom us!" I think I don't have time for this all IRC whinning ;)23:08
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, may you share what is so funny?23:09
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: you have an annoying tendency to "quote" people, or state what they allegedly think or do, that's close to outright lies and trolling23:09
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DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: your pastie, your Q "who's that guy?"23:10
Estel_DocScrutinizer, it's not ym fault that "you won't hijack CSSU" is a legend already, BTw, where i implied what You think?23:10
Estel_it's jsut that lately, more merit is on TMO, and more useless dramas on IRC23:10
Estel_simple as that23:10
DocScrutinizer51well, prove my point 2 lines up23:11
Estel_after all, saying something in public - or, repeating this 100 times during single discussion - you must be ready, that someone will quote that, not always in a way You would like it23:11
Estel_nice, so "Take your happy pills" that You're right23:11
Estel_and enjoy. i'm off for a while.23:11
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, "Robert Schultheis is a Senior Technology Expert with Forum Nokia Technical Services"23:11
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DocScrutinizer51go... ****23:12
DocScrutinizer51isn't it an amazing troll?23:12
MrPingu $ apt-cache policy  sharing-service-facebook23:13
DocScrutinizer51where the FUCK did I say or imply "CA will doom us!"?? Idiot. Of course he's just using the first of his 2 statements to post another 5 lines BS, as he exactly knows the 2nd was a lie23:13
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, please stop that for a while23:14
DocScrutinizer51and just for the entertainment: YOU WON'T HIJACL CSSU!23:14
freemangordonI think we have a bigger problem than your fight wit Estel23:14
MrPingufreemangordon: Wtf on Fapman it's version 0.4423:15
freemangordonthe same on maemo.org23:15
DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: yep23:15
MrPingufremantle ssu apps repo ;)23:15
DocScrutinizer51it's just annoying the living shit outa me how he argues23:15
Estel_DocScrutinizer, excuse me if You feel offended in any way. Generally, i msut admit, that this whole "negatronic" about Ca "jsut for sake of it" is little irritating, especially, considering ammount of work we have to make it proceed smoothly.23:16
freemangordonand where the hell am I supposed to send a bug report23:16
Estel_Sometimes, it's almost like "I already have N950, so why the fuck they're spaming maiolinglist/IRC with some stupid program". i know that it isn't like that in Your case.23:16
Estel_funniest thing is that it's like "they're doing it, BAd, they're not doing it, BAD".23:17
Estel_after all, there is no 100% fair way to limit ammount of stupid submissions, and all "authocracy" we have is sjut to ensure proper people will get devices.23:18
Estel_I agree that there is no reason for arguing, especially, that some interesting developer's discussion is herre, erm, attempted by freemangordon, pingu and others23:19
Estel_...and spamme by us :p23:19
Estel_peace, DocScrutinizer, and sorry again if You felt offended23:19
Estel_freemangordon, why you think requestr foir a TMO link is idiotic?23:20
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Estel_I think it isn't *too* much effort to ask from submitting people, and it eases processing for Council23:20
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Estel_as, while most people have TMO linke din profile, other don't...23:21
Estel_and this way, we have all details in mail, without 3x click to get into TMO23:21
freemangordonEstel_, there is a link on account, to TMO account23:21
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Estel_but it require clicking on profile, clicking on TMO profile, extracting TMO nick...23:21
MrPinguNot all have linked it though23:21
DocScrutinizer51not all have tmo account23:21
Estel_add to this "submissions", that doesn't fullfill requiments, etc23:21
Estel_people without tmo accounts or without linked ones...23:22
freemangordonand now you'll have to go through the same pile of mails trying to find which mail to which account belongs :)23:22
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DocScrutinizer51again, tmo is no mandatory prerequisite for being a maemo community member23:22
Estel_for someone submitting, it's jsut pasting another link. For council, it's 3x less work:p23:22
Estel_DocScrutinizer, of course23:22
DocScrutinizer51not even reading that pile of slime is23:22
Estel_that why requiments say clearly "or, in case of not being registered on TMO, clear information about that"23:22
freemangordonEstel_, IIRC in your mail you dont ask for BOTH accouns, just for TMO account23:22
Estel_it isn't, not IRC, or mailing list (except for submitting)23:23
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Estel_ah, I see now.23:23
infobotfrom memory, cssu is
Estel_freemangordon, udnerstood the point.23:23
DocScrutinizer51moin chem|st23:23
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Estel_freemangordon, but having real name, we have no problem of linking account23:24
Estel_but have problems with finding tmo account (or info about it being not existent - which, BTW, never happened so far)23:24
freemangordonand still asking for TMO account when it is not a prerequisite and when it is accessible by a single click on account page seems unneccessary to me. It is up to you of course23:25
DocScrutinizer51I could toss in another 30 devices to make that CA really an award ;-D Not _all_ being Nokia devices though ;-)23:25
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: iphone4?23:25
freemangordongimme, gimme23:25
MrPinguI won't stop you Docscrutinizer5123:25
Estel_hey, chemist also applied :D23:25
Estel_freemangordon, generally I get Your point and agree. won't change it now though, as it would make more mess than profit23:26
Estel_+ itisn't much effort for people submitting, I hope.23:26
Estel_MrPingu, +123:26
Estel_DocScrutinizer, if You have any awards ready, we're happy to accept ;P23:27
Estel_and I';m talking seriously23:27
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Estel_Coding Competition also did more awards from donations23:27
freemangordonEstel_, ok, i don't really care23:27
DocScrutinizer51Samsung Galaxy23:27
Estel_why not, recipent can sell this shit and profit :P23:27
DocScrutinizer51err OMNIA23:27
Estel_lumnia :p23:27
DocScrutinizer51yeah, that's exactly my rationale when I just thought council should first scan ML and esp IRC chan about all those who broke their N900 and can't afford a new one23:28
MrPinguBtw do you shit phones, I only have 2 phones :P23:28
DocScrutinizer51they could sell that crap and get a used replacement N90023:29
infobotjoerg is, like, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer23:29
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MrPinguI see :)23:29
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: but then I thought odds are they even less will continue / resukme their work for fremantle, when given a HARM device23:30
Estel_DocScrutinizer, it was a point made by vi_ a yeard ago, and i used to agree - until I saw results.23:30
Estel_many people received device and continued working on Fremantle, to the point that I wasn't aware they have N95023:31
Estel_like Nicolai, but hes not only one23:31
Estel_on the other hand, many people who siwtched to harmattan, abandoned also harm community very soon23:31
Estel_working for Fremantle isn't a matter of having "more recent" device - after all, most devs can afford it for their own money23:31
Estel_MrPingu, I had nice list, buyt can't find it now :D You, probably, can find some lgos about who receive3d N950 from dev program23:32
Estel_now, i think that if someone would leave Community just because getting Harmattan, then, well, farewell23:32 such person would take first "chance" and leave anyway23:32
Estel_+ odds are, that people receiving CA are the type, that is here to stay :D23:32
Estel_see freemangordon, you imagine him getting N950, hyphoteticaly, and dissapearing next day?>23:33
MrPinguNow you said that... Option is opened xD23:33
MrPinguTBH, I don't think so ;)23:34
GeneralAntillesGive me an N923:34
GeneralAntillesI promise I wont go anywhere.23:34
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: (+ odds are, that people receiving CA are the type, that is here to stay) And *I* am afraid you might be right on that23:35
Estel_GeneralAntilles, submit to mailing list, if You're in line with requiments ;P23:36
MrPinguMaybe I can donate chains... To chain people up :P23:36
MrPinguSo we are assured they won't go anywhere :)23:36
DocScrutinizer51at least my concern applies to all those throwing their cheap hat in the ring now23:36
Estel_gold chains are welcomed ;)23:36
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GeneralAntillesShit, I HOPE I'm in line with the requirements.23:36
GeneralAntillesBut, no, I don't need any free phones. ;)23:36
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Estel_GeneralAntilles, if You received N950 and N9 from dev porograms, You're not ;)23:37
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: that's exactly the point23:37
Estel_DocScrutinizer, you're not talking about ones receiving, but onesd submitting23:37
Estel_no one know - yet - who will receive device ;)23:37
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DocScrutinizer51basically all those who deserve a device don't apply23:37
Estel_+ i'm sure that 99% of morons treating this as lottery, will GTFO to greener pastures as soon, as we will announce results23:37
GeneralAntillesOh? N950 owners are disqualified?23:38
Estel_with info that they haven't got free device for nothing23:38
DocScrutinizer51and those who apply probably don't deserve one23:38
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Estel_DocScrutinizer, you're very wrong here.23:38
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, usually the way.23:38
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: for N95023:38
Estel_Please, see the list before speaking like that23:38
user__freemangordon: ping23:38
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, that was my understanding, then.23:38
Estel_as you're, generaly, offending many great people23:38
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Estel_we alreayd have at least 10 rationale submissions :P23:38
Estel_GeneralAntilles, people who got N950 form dev program,l can't get another NB95023:39
Estel_although, could get N923:39
GeneralAntillesAnyway, this is why I recommended encouraging people who you think deserve a device to file a submission.23:39
Estel_but people who got *both* N950 and N9 from Nokia's programs, are not23:39
Estel_GeneralAntilles, fully agree.23:39
GeneralAntillesEstel_, ah. That was how I understood it.23:39
Estel_if you think someone deserve it, but he haven't submitted yet - just speak with him.23:39
DocScrutinizer51*I* am insulting particular people by stating a sentence with "probably"??? WTF is it *YOU* do all the time, then?23:39
GeneralAntillesSo, go find a useful contributor who's being too modest for their own good and prod them forcefully.23:39
* GeneralAntilles hands DocScrutinizer51 a beer.23:40
* vi___ passes doc a bong23:40
Estel_DocScrutinizer, it's like saying "probably, freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991 etc don't deserve device23:40
Estel_well, you're free to express Your opinion23:40
Estel_but I'm afraid You're just wrong23:40
GeneralAntillesEstel_, frankly I suspect DocScrutinizer51 would be completely behind your list.23:41
Estel_not to mention that you're saying I'm also not deserving device, so I don't like You :P (uoke)23:41
DocScrutinizer51and I'm afraid you will need another 2 or 3 decades to learn not to hear things like you would've said them23:41
Estel_GeneralAntilles, same here23:41
GeneralAntillesEstel_, so my guess is something's been lost in the communication.23:41
Estel_GeneralAntilles, genmerally I agree, that's why i'm surprised he is so negatronic about it ;)23:41
DocScrutinizer51I.E. not to deduce from you to others, and then state insulting nonsense assumptions as fact23:42
Estel_main problem is that DocScrutinizer sees - IMO, and again, only IMO - fact that many people are submitting without rationale...23:42 problem in itself.23:42
Estel_I see it as problem of those people.23:42
Palican somebody who had problem with evkey symlink path test new version of bootmenu?23:42
PaliI'd like to know if it is fixed now23:42
vi___~last freemangordon23:43
Paliand if yes I will push new version to extras-devel23:43
vi___~seen freemangordon23:43
freemangordonDAAAMN, /scratchbox/compilers/arm-linux-fremantle-gcc4.6.2/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: final link failed: No space left on device23:43
infobotfreemangordon is currently on #maemo (7h 27m 26s) #maemo-ssu (7h 27m 26s). Has said a total of 117 messages. Is idling for 16m 9s, last said: 'Estel_, ok, i don't really care'.23:43
freemangordonvi___, wazapp?23:43
Estel_Pali, worksforme.Pali, if nmo one volounteer before, I'll do it in a hour or so23:43
Estel_vi, have You submitted for N9?:P23:43
PaliEstel_, ok23:44
Estel_write us a nice story about how You like to chat with 12 years old girls and that N9 is going to help You on that23:44
DocScrutinizer51<DocScrutinizer51> and those who apply probably don't deserve one  VERSUS  "probably, freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991 etc don't deserve device23:44
Estel_those who apply = freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991, amongst others23:44
vi___Estel_: I am still composing a nonchalant offer to gift nokia my time by using one of their n950 devices.23:45
Estel_those who $apply don't deserve one23:45
DocScrutinizer51well, that's *your* weird logic23:45
Estel_apply = freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin199123:45
GeneralAntillesEstel_, DocScrutinizer51 is often prone to negatronism. :P It's generally best not to get worked up over it.23:45
Estel_cat $ apply23:45
vi___freemangordon: I have isolated the problem23:45
Estel_GeneralAntilles, probably right ;P23:45
vi___HOW THE23:45
vi___WHT THE23:46
vi___GET OU OF MY MIND23:46
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, fundamentally it's going to be a function of the body doing to the selection as to whether people who don't deserve it are submitting applications.23:46
freemangordonvi___: [100485.451721] kswapd0: page allocation failure. order:2, mode:0x405023:46
freemangordonthat was few minutes after I applied your settings23:46
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, so, have a little faith, and go prod somebody deserving who hasn't filed.23:46
vi___if (min_free_kb < 256 AND SR=1){crash immediatley}23:47
freemangordonyeah, starting camera leads to massive RAM allocation23:47
freemangordon12MB or so for 720p23:48
vi___but why would SR affect that?23:48
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* DocScrutinizer51 rather writes an IRC script putting everyone posting regex .*CA.* on his /ignore23:48
Palidoes somebody know when will be OBS personal repositories working?23:49
vi___are you storing everything i hex precision floating points in the driver?23:49
freemangordonpure 32bit ints23:49
GeneralAntillesDa shit is CA.?23:49
DocScrutinizer5125 friggin devices, and 2500 fools applying "I just heard there's a thing called meamo (sic!) and there are devices for free. CAN I HAZ ONE PLZ?!"23:50
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer51, given it's based on previous contributions, it's pretty damn easy to weed those out.23:50
freemangordonvi___, just a second23:50
vi___I think it is the 50+ retard spam mails he awoke to this morning.23:51
GeneralAntillesvi___, that's what folders are for! :D23:51
freemangordonvi___, I have the impression backtrace lies23:52
Paliwhat? only 50 new mails in mailbox? :D subscribe to LKML :D23:52
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Estel_respect @ Pali for his submission's content23:53
Estel_Pali, you've actually filled job request ;)23:53
Paliand on some our internal mailinglist we can write 50 emails for one hour23:53
Estel_and You would - ermn, probably - get device evenm with submission like that:23:54
Estel_Hi. i'm Pali. N950. Now.23:54
Estel_...considering Your "past contributions" :)23:54
freemangordonvi___, maybe some of the memory is swapped out (I think that memory allocated with GFP_KERNEL could be swapped)23:54
freemangordonand as there is no free RAM left, guess what23:54
DocScrutinizer51now without any kidding. what's the aim of that CA thing?23:55
Estel_ah, + link to TMO account :P23:55
freemangordon+ link to account :P23:55
Estel_DocScrutinizer, recogniting long-time contributors to Maemo Community, and by contributors, I mean "big picture"23:55
DocScrutinizer51~dict recogniting23:56
infobotcould not find definition for recogniting23:56
Estel_damn, more I write on IRC, the more my english grammar start to suxx23:56
DocScrutinizer51so can't I23:56
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Estel_DocScrutinizer, don't worry, me neither23:56
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, it was qgil who said Nokia has 25 devices to be given as community awards23:56
Estel_You msut use Your package common_sense23:56
DocScrutinizer51~spell recogniting23:56
Estel_comon_sense /homne/user/recogniting23:56
infobotpossible spellings for recogniting: recognizing reigniting recognition recounting recanting reconnecting23:57
Estel_Common Sense v1.1, have fun!:23:57
DocScrutinizer51~dict recognize23:57
Estel_recogniting - user probably mean "to recogni9ze", but his english grammar sux due to writing on IRC23:57
infobotDictionary 'recognize' (2 of 12): detect with the senses; "The fleeing convicts were picked out of the darkness by the watchful prison guards"; "I can't make out the faces in this photograph"  ;; grant credentials to; "The Regents officially recognized the new educational institution"; "recognize an academic degree" .23:57
MrPinguapt-get install common-sense23:57
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Estel_DocScrutinizer, recognizing is also used - correctly - as "His work got recognized in Ca awards program"23:58
Palifreemangordon, when obs will be working, testing thumb repo will be moved to obs?23:58
DocScrutinizer51no common sense helps me out of not getting the catch in "$do-anything to long-time contributors"23:59
Estel_or "do-anything at all" :P23:59
freemangordonPali, why is that?23:59
DocScrutinizer51this isn't an aim in itself anyway23:59
freemangordonAIUI there won't be any newer gcc23:59
DocScrutinizer51or I miss to regignize it23:59

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