| Estel_ | AAAAARGH | 00:07 |
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| Estel_ | it seems, that command responsible for making device unbootable was | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | blkid -g | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | WTF I ask, wtf? | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | without it, it works (although, defeats the purpose) | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | why the hellish hell blkid -g make device unbootable?! | 00:08 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ping | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer51, ping | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | could anyone tell me any possible reason why simple command: | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | blkid -g | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | put in rcS-late, just before enabling swap, worked for few days flawlessly... | 00:17 |
| Estel_ | although now, beyong any doubt, make whole rcS-late go apeshit and device staying before 5 dots forever? | 00:17 |
| Estel_ | it's driving me insane | 00:17 |
| cehteh | mhm | 00:19 |
| cehteh | Estel_: you made this re-swap thingy? | 00:19 |
| Estel_ | yea, few days ago | 00:19 |
| Estel_ | it's working fine for everyone | 00:19 |
| cehteh | nope not for me :) | 00:19 |
| Estel_ | but ijh my device, blkid -g part made it unbootable | 00:19 |
| Estel_ | hm? | 00:19 |
| Estel_ | wewhat doesn't work for You there? | 00:20 |
| cehteh | my 2nd swap is a swapfile not a blockdevice | 00:20 |
| Estel_ | I see. | 00:20 |
| cehteh | anyways i was thinking about rewriting it for me | 00:20 |
| Estel_ | well, it wasn't intended to work with swapfiles | 00:20 |
| Estel_ | but | 00:20 |
| cehteh | you missed the dependency on sysstat too | 00:20 |
| Estel_ | if Yuo manage to make it compatible with both, surely send a patch | 00:20 |
| cehteh | is there a git somewhere? | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | honestly, it's dependency on busybox-power | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | as systat is in non-default repo | 00:21 |
| cehteh | its in tools | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | but, someone already suggested way of collecting those data, that doesn't involve iostat | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | unfortunelly, no git yet | 00:21 |
| cehteh | but it didnt installed busybox-power for me yesterday either just brole | 00:21 |
| cehteh | broke | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | it was my first package that amde it into repo | 00:21 |
| cehteh | ok | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | for sure i'll try to use way that doesn't require busybox-power | 00:22 |
| cehteh | busybox power has also a swapon which supports swap priorities? | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | afaik yes | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | busybox power has everything like it *should* look in busybox | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | = upstream version (in practice) + all tools that should come with busybox | 00:22 |
| cehteh | you can read the stuff systat gives you plainly from /proc or /sys .. its just some more fiddeleing | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | yea | 00:23 |
| cehteh | that could make this dependency opsolete | 00:23 |
| cehteh | well i like the idea to measure the write traffic .. but wont it be enough to measure it on the primary device and if expired recycle both swaps | 00:23 |
| cehteh | and then perhaps have both swaps at the same priority (long time ago i tested that i should test that again) | 00:24 |
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| Estel_ | no, for sure not. | 00:24 |
| Estel_ | first of all, having swap in eMMC enabled decreases performance | 00:24 |
| cehteh | if swaps have the same pri then the kernel distributes the load on them (i have a slow µSD card btw) | 00:24 |
| Estel_ | no matter if it's part of swap pair, or 32754355 swap devices qworking paralelly | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | yea, in theory | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | in practice, flash based RAId 0 isn't good idea ;) | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | and, it collides with request from optfs | 00:25 |
| cehteh | yes i know my tests 2 years ago wherent good | 00:25 |
| cehteh | i hoped that changed meanwhile | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | optfs on eMMC also require constant access, and flash media doens't handle colliding request very well | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | swap on even slowest microSd is still better performance-wise | 00:26 |
| cehteh | a shame that compcache/zram is broken too :/ | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | in fact I've no idea why ramzswap doesn't give us benefits | 00:26 |
| cehteh | i have a lot data on microsd (formatted as ext4) | 00:26 |
| cehteh | so there is quite some load on it .. especially maps for monav .. | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | I see. | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | Well, best way is to have one medium "static" and put swap there | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | kernel has bug with swapfiles on vfat atleast | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | if You have microSd good enough and reliable, You can put optfs there | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | but honestly | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | i would mvoe monav things to emmc | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | remember, that swap on emmc wear it out, and it's non-replaceable medium | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | microSd's are cheap and replaceable | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, do you have idea why | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | blkid -g | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | as aprt of rcS-late | 00:28 |
| cehteh | yes .. but its a squashfs bigger than 2GB :) | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | = unbootable device? | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | when does emmc get mounted | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | and when does emmc driver get loaded? :) | 00:29 |
| * ShadowJK bets it's related | 00:29 | |
| cehteh | and on the other hand laptop_mode = 600 ... gives quite some good avoidance for writes | 00:29 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, but blkid does have anything to do with eMMC? 0_o | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | oh? | 00:29 |
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| Estel_ | cehteh, it's a suicude, professional one | 00:29 |
| cehteh | either way .. i customized my device a bit so i cant complain that it is incompatible with some stock packages | 00:29 |
| Estel_ | laptopm mode 600? I wouldn't want to be in Your skin, after You hit any serious need for writing swaps | 00:30 |
| cehteh | there is no much write load on my emmc too | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | + using file as swap is always slower | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | it's not | 00:30 |
| cehteh | it isnt since ages | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | sounds quite like a bit of masochism performance wise | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | ok, sorry | 00:30 |
| cehteh | in 2.2 kernels or so it was | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | But if you have a swap partition you can be sure of the alignment | 00:31 |
| Estel_ | I always though onj our flash media it is. | 00:31 |
| cehteh | well currently i dont use it either | 00:31 |
| Estel_ | acknowledged | 00:31 |
| cehteh | only using the stock swap partition | 00:31 |
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| Estel_ | poor is Your eMMC :) | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | Basically it asks where the blocks belonging to that file is, and uses block level access bypassing the filesystem | 00:31 |
| cehteh | the write load is not *that* much from swap .. | 00:32 |
| cehteh | even if you write a fee hundred MB per day (which is prolly not the case) emmc will last quite long | 00:33 |
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| Estel_ | ShadowJK, little question if You don't mind | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | do You happen to know if blkid -g is required for "just after boot" situation? | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | no idea | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | one line down I'm doing little grep from blkid info | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | it was mean't to clear blkid's data before | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | suprisingly, invoking blkid works well | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | *only* -g (clearing) makes everything go apeshit | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | and only if invoked from rcS-late | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | BTW, it seems to work for other people, which is very strange IMO | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | I could almost swear it worked for me yesterday, too | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | voodoo programing | 00:40 |
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| vi___ | -g | 00:43 |
| vi___ | Perform a garbage collection pass on the blkid cache to remove devices which no longer exist. | 00:43 |
| vi___ | perhaps it is relying on this cache? | 00:43 |
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| vi___ | why do you need to -g anyway/ | 00:44 |
| vi___ | ? | 00:44 |
| vi___ | also, swapfile==pain in the ass | 00:44 |
| vi___ | so you have swapfile on usd? | 00:44 |
| vi___ | you have to umount swapfile before you can connect n900 by usb mass storage mode | 00:45 |
| vi___ | so you need to put it on a seperate partiton on USB | 00:45 |
| vi___ | if that is the case you may as well just use a swap partition... | 00:45 |
| vi___ | unless I have missed something | 00:45 |
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| Estel_ | vi___, no, not m,e with swapfiles | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | i need garbage collection pass, or I can have data in blkid belonging to long time non-existing swap partitions | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | but I'm not sure if it's the case also, when device just booted | 01:05 |
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| int_ua | I've uploaded a new version of the restinpeace package today in the morning, but it's not showing on the device while it's showing as the latest on http://maemo.org/packages/view/restinpeace/ | 03:01 |
| int_ua | is it something wrong with my package cache or with the server? | 03:01 |
| int_ua | What version do you see on the device? | 03:02 |
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| Estel_ | chem|st, please, make this thread sticky: | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84533 | 19:07 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51, could you set this up as topic for IRC? | 19:24 |
| Estel_ | http://maemo.org/community/council/device_program-12-community_awards/ | 19:24 |
| Estel_ | ^^^ Community Awards program has started, see above for details. Community Council encourage all long-time Maemo's contributors to submit. | 19:25 |
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| Jaffa | Estel_: Thanks for the posts to the council blog, btw. | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | Estel_: Nothing yet about the new council? | 19:50 |
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| Estel_ | we've weekend and national holidays in US, so we've left inaugurating blog entyr from council to next week. | 19:54 |
| Estel_ | Especially, I wanted to include something from every new council member, and it would be hard, as Woody is out in (literally) wilderness ;) | 19:54 |
| Estel_ | enjoying holidays. | 19:54 |
| Estel_ | OTOH, there was no reasonm to wait with start of CA, so practice went ahead of meet&greet | 19:55 |
| Estel_ | I'm glad You like it. BTw, if You see something that is wrong form technical point of view - on this blog entry - don't hestitate to write | 19:55 |
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| luke-jr | Estel_: do the submissions have to be Maemo-related, or can they be NIT-related? | 20:20 |
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| Estel_ | luke-jr, I don't understand? | 23:09 |
| Estel_ | are You talking about Community Awards? If so, please read annoucement - it doesn't have to be "anything" related, it's just about contributions to community as a whole | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | i c | 23:10 |
| Estel_ | as per Coding Competition and other things (Qt 5, Nokia store0, I've no idea, ask people organizing it. | 23:10 |
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| Estel_ | X-Fade ping | 23:44 |
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| Estel_ | merlin1991, You haven't answered me, if You're interested in buying Used N900 in ideal condition with reinforced USB port for 200 euro ;p | 23:45 |
| Estel_ | as You seemed to be interested last time | 23:45 |
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| luke-jr | Estel_: I would be, but at 200 USD :P | 23:56 |
| Estel_ | for 200 USD I can sell you one with broken screen and broken USV port ;) | 23:57 |
| Estel_ | USB* | 23:57 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, ping | 23:58 |
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