IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-05-26

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Estel_no problem, killed it already. but still thanks.00:00
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Estel_<Estel_> ah, I though you just plugged it and it jumped on it's own00:01
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DocScrutinizerno, plug in charger: discharging bat with ~120+, unplug and disch current back to <3000:02
DocScrutinizerthe fun stuff: each unplug unlocks screen00:02
DocScrutinizerthat's why I lock it immediately again: kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed00:03
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Maceromg the best part of indiana jones is when hitler signs the book00:36
Estel_;) watching it for the first time, eh?00:38
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Estel_on N90's in question - this one that I've tried to dissasembly - digitizer got kinda "damaged" by bad protecxtor foilk00:51
Estel_touching is ok00:51
Estel_although, after applying this protector, and rem,oving it - due to bad visual effect00:51
Estel_something "stayed" on screen00:51
Estel_or, part of antiu-scratch layer on screen pelled off, either way00:52
Estel_hard to tell, really00:52
jacekowskiyeah, that's possible00:52
jacekowskinothing you can do about it00:52
jacekowskiget new digitiser, with a frame00:52
Estel_it jsut look like ultrathin layer on few parts of screen, OR lacking ultrathin layer from screen, really hard to tell00:52
Estel_but, do you think it's glue that stayed there?00:52
Estel_or just something pelled off?00:52
Estel_honestly, screen would look ok if I would be able to pell off rest of it, and attach "norma" screen protector (my screen protectors never do such shit to screen)00:53
Estel_the worst thing is that one of screws holding screen together is... screwed. no way to unscrew it, and it don' have left-turning driller00:54
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Paliping freemangordon12:59
freemangordonPali, pong12:59
Palisee log from yesterdat about bq2415x driver13:00
Palidriver is working fine13:00
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freemangordonPali, great13:02
freemangordonPali, could you merge those to kernel-cssu?13:02
Paliok, I will try13:03
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freemangordonBTW I put IBE bit setting patch in kernel-cssu, you may want to look at it13:03
freemangordonThat deffinitely shoulg go in KP13:04
freemangordonPali ^^^13:04
Paliwhat about to move from slow git garage to git gitorious?13:04
freemangordonI am fine13:04
Paliand have one git repository for kernel-power and kernel-cssu (with different branches)?13:05
freemangordonactually it will be easier for me13:05
freemangordonkernel-cssu is already on gitorious, better ask merlin1991 and MohammadAG what do they think about moving KP in CSSU project13:06
freemangordonas a source code holder only13:06
freemangordonotherwise I dont know how we can have branches split under different repos13:07
freemangordonwon't be easy at least13:07
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, ping13:08
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Palifreemangordon, I found problem, I forgot to blacklist bq2415x driver in my deb builds (I only blacklisted it on my n900)13:23
freemangordonaaah, that seems the reason for my bootloop :D13:23
PaliI will fix it in kernel-power git tree and then merge to kernel-cssu13:24
freemangordonok, thanks a lot13:24
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freemangordonPali, BTW do we have the whole picture re BME replacement now? Do we miss something?13:25
Palibq2415x working fine for charging and boost mode13:26
Paliwe need only hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc for userspace13:27
freemangordon..and we have them semi-working13:27
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freemangordonPali, actually libbmeipc needs only a correct temperature reading to be fully functional13:30
freemangordonhald-addon-bme needs a little more work, i.e. charger support :)13:31
Palifreemangordon, merged and commited13:33
Palibut not tested yet13:33
freemangordonPali, thanks, will do it now13:33
PaliI will build new +bq deb packages with blacklisted bq2415x_charger module13:34
freemangordoni am going to rebuild kernel-cssu, you may want to try it, it is on -devel repo13:35
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Palihas kernel-cssu -bootimg and -modules package?13:41
Paliif yes I can boot it from u-boot13:41
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freemangordonPali, it is KP renamed13:41
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Palifreemangordon, it is possible to recompile all open source maemo core packages with thumb support when obs repository will work?13:46
freemangordonNFC, but don't see a reason why it won't be. Do you know which gcc it will use?13:47
freemangordonPali ^^^13:47
Palilast gcc 4.6 or 4.7?13:48
freemangordonhmm, sure?13:49
freemangordonthen it won't be that easy13:49
freemangordonas most of the packages need some CFLAGS modifications13:50
Paliand days ago I created program which read kernel version from mtd13:50
Paliit is here:
freemangordonhow is that helpful?13:51
PaliI tested it and worked fine on my device13:51
Paliuse it to ask user if he want to flash new kernel13:51
freemangordonyeah, sure thing, but how that helps?13:51
freemangordonPali, that is why -thumb repos is13:52
Paliand I created patch (never tested) which change shell script which flashing kernel:
PaliI still think that users should be asked before flashing kernel nto nand13:53
freemangordonand all the stuff in -thumb repo will depend on kernel-feature-errata-xxx-workaround13:53
freemangordonPali, you have this functionality right now in KP (and KC)13:53
freemangordonSee, if kernel-cssu is going to make it in CSSU stble/testing, then I see the point13:54
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freemangordonBut for thumb? DOn't think it will be usefull13:55
freemangordonAt least for now the userbase for thumb should be aware of the possible consequences13:56
freemangordoni.e. new kernel, highly experimental, bla, bla13:56
freemangordonPali, BTW when you will start to use it? :P13:56
Paliwhen you compile it with bq2415x driver (blacklisted) :)13:57
freemangordonI don't mean kernel, but the userspace stuff13:57
Palimaybe in july I will test thumb userspace (now I have exams month :)13:59
freemangordonaah, ok13:59
freemangordonPali, BTW by testing I meant only to enable the repo, well , it seems I will have to search for another guinea pig :D14:00
Paliis thumb repo ready? or it will be available when obs?14:01
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freemangordonPali, it is14:03
freemangordonwith lots of stuff there, the only thing missing is dependency on kernel-feature-thumb in control files14:04
freemangordonBut that is not a problem so far, will add that soon14:04
freemangordonso make sure you are running kernel-cssu before enabling it :D14:05
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Paliother question is, what about starting to play with upstream 3.x kernel on n900?14:06
freemangordonPali, I am thinking of that for a couple of weeks, but you know, lack of time14:06
freemangordonAnd before doing that we should decide why14:07
Paliyes, me to - no time14:07
freemangordonwhat if 3.x kernel boots, which OS?14:07
freemangordonmaemo, nemo, ubuntu?14:07
Palithe easiest will be ubuntu (or other arm os without special kernel like maemo)14:08
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Estel_hm, awesome work guys (just red through logs)14:09
Palibut I created patch for 2.6.37+ kernel which add some maemo sysfs entries14:09
freemangordonwell, if we are going to make Maemo distribution with upgraded kernel, I am all for that. But that is not a project for only 2 men14:09
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Estel_Pali, I've heard that You're commiting some patches to upstream kernel14:10
Paliyes for bq27x00_battery driver14:10
Estel_what do You think about possibilities for interesting any outside-out-little-world kernel devs in N900 kernel hacking?14:10
Estel_Council could help with that14:11
Estel_some micro-fundraising for donating N90014:11
Estel_for example14:11
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Estel_I'm thinking about people that are good kernel devs but not aware of awesomness that comes with linux computer in pocket14:11
Estel_bon apetit freemangordon :)14:11
Estel_of course I don't mean giveaways of N900's to anyone who is willing to take. rather, maybe You know some kernel devs that could be teased by N900 yet lack device...14:12
Estel_in a way Davy's from PhoneME was14:12
Estel_vi donated device and results are so far so good14:13
Estel_maybe similar way for kernel devs could be possible?14:13
Estel_kernel developers are most reglamented things we have14:13
Estel_we got maintainers - sometimes, even too much of them ;) various kind of devs - of course, could be more, but is OK... Although, only 2 kactive kernel devs14:14
Estel_...You're both doing awesome work, like small army, but You could definitely use some working hands, I suppose.14:14
Estel_Not to mention, that we have 0 active USB kernel devs, as AFAIK hostmode kernel implementations are kinda frozen, since Paul's departure.14:15
Estel_but that's different topic14:16
PaliI do not have other linux mobile devices (except n900), so I worked only on n900 kernel... I do not know other linux boards... but now I'm waiting for pre-ordered RPI14:17
Palifor n900 kernel, the best will be to find other kernel devs, 2 people around n900 kernel is very small number14:17
Palihow can council help with kernel?14:18
Paliupstream n900 kernel status is on this wiki page:
Palisome drivers are still not upstreamed14:19
PaliI have contacts for some nokia people which worked on that (not upstreamed) and authors of camera and ir drivers will upstream it14:20
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Estel_I see14:27
Estel_I meant - as I've written - that Council could help with organising N900's for donation, if You could be able to find kernel devs that would like to join our awesome little world ;)14:28
Estel_After all, N900 is still unchallenged in many things, yet, I'm sure many talented kernel devs have no or slight idea about it14:29
Estel_I used Davy and his PhoneMe as example (not related to kernel directly) - he was interested In hacking for N900 due to N900's people getting in contact with him14:30
Estel_so, vi donated device (N900) and things started to roll out fast.14:30
Estel_maybe we could tease some kernel devs with N900/Maemo awesomness ;) and if they would show real interest, Council can organize device for donation (to make them really "inside" our world and easy development of kernel)14:31
Estel_currently, we have 3 branches of kernel-power related things, plenthora of allmighty maintainers around it and... 2 "doers"...14:32
Paliproblem is that I do not know any other kernel devs interested in nokia products14:34
Paliand worse thing that it is not possible to buy nokia n900 from nokia14:35
Estel_yea, I know, but maybe some devs would be interested in having full linux handheld in pocket14:37
Estel_No ideap it would require diplomat :P14:37
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Estel_maybe we should just "advertise" on (virtual) places, where kernel devs usually hand out, that we're holding project that brings upstream patches to kernel of linux-powered handheld...14:39
Estel_and plan to bring upstream kernel to it as a whole...14:39
Estel_so we're providing devices for people interested in prolonged kernel development14:39
Estel_let's say, our mini-micro-nano version of Nokia's device seeding activity ;)14:40
Estel_just idea, NFC if it would work.14:40
Estel_after all, kernel devs downt fall from trees on autumn, and there is thin chance that they'll come here on their own, considering niche, lack of marketing and overall Nokia road to bankrupcy stance14:41
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Estel_we would need to show that we're kinda independent bodyp that will live with or without nokians ;)14:41
Estel_and will keep our projects alive14:42
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DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: pong15:21
DocScrutinizerEstel_: this is actually a good plan (re announcing the whole "upstream Nokia kernel patches" idea on LKML et al)15:24
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DocScrutinizere.g. Paul Fertser (ex kernel maintainer of openmoko and main responsible of final maemo hostmode kernel) is not interested in fremantle as it's not mainstream enough for him15:25
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DocScrutinizerbut then otoh, you're rapidly approaching mer domain by this path15:27
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DocScrutinizer([2012-05-26 13:15:50] <Estel_> Not to mention, that we have 0 active USB kernel devs, as AFAIK hostmode kernel implementations are kinda frozen, since Paul's departure.) What is it you'd want to see getting developed in hostmode kernel? Plwase accept that all the original devels think it's feature complete and no rewarding path to go ahead with any kind of development regarding h-e-n patches to kernel15:38
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TermanaInterderesting. Someone has been trying to login to my nick. Naughty person, at least they only tried once might have been a mistake.15:52
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, I looked into what powertop does to spit this bullshit in KP. Well, it seems to me that even under stock kernel powertop spits bullshit.15:55
freemangordoni.e. it maps Cx state to frequency, which is a total nonsense15:56
DocScrutinizerit maps Cx to freq? how so?15:56
freemangordoncheck the first lines, i.e C0 is on the smae line as 600 MHz, and so on15:57
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DocScrutinizeryou're missing the strong separator line between col3 and col415:59
DocScrutinizerthey're unrelated15:59
DocScrutinizeroptically messy, but technically OK16:00
freemangordonyeah, sure, but most(including me) will be left with the impression for that16:00
freemangordoni.e. that time spent in Cx is somehow related to the frequency16:00
DocScrutinizersure thing, but a ticket against gfx designers, not against powertop core code and functionality16:00
DocScrutinizerI agree it's extremely irritating16:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, BTW powertop (not the maemo one) is OSS, are you aware of anyone trying it?16:01
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freemangordonAdn there is some additional code on TI site, to be more compatible with OMAP16:03
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: (foss powertop) it seems it's massively x86 centric16:10
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: powertop|sed "s/\( *C[0-5] | *[0-9\.%]* | *[^ |]* *\)|/\1#/"16:10
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, yeah, sure thing, but it can be used as a base, most of the stuff will be there (i.e. process parsing), OMAP specific stuff coulld be easily added, after all all that powertop does is to read sysfs nodes16:13
DocScrutinizerI'm wondering if we could find enough of FOSS code in maemo powertop binary to request Nokia to disclose the GPL source (if the original powertop is actually GPL)16:14
freemangordonBTW the pug to open maemo powertop is assigned to qgil, we can ask Estel_ to pester him to give us the source16:14
infobotfreemangordon meant: BTW the bug to open maemo powertop is assigned to qgil, we can ask Estel_ to pester him to give us the source16:15
freemangordonwhy not16:15
DocScrutinizergreat minds think alike, it seems16:15
freemangordonyeah, sure :D16:15
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, I dont think "the legal" approach will work. And most-probably (and it is mentioned in a thread on TMO) maemo powertop is a re-write. So we could asc qgil to do us a favor, nothing more16:18
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freemangordonPali, kernel-cssu with charger support and thumb errata workaround is in cssu-devel repo16:37
Palifreemangordon, ok I will install -bootimg package16:37
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Palifreemangordon, uname -a: Linux Pali-Nokia-N900 #1 PREEMPT Sat May 26 09:16:14 EDT 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux17:17
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Palifreemangordon, I do not know if you read jonwil post about hald-addon-bme, so here is:
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Palidoes somebody know how to convert Gauss-Kruger coords to Lat/Long17:49
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DocScrutinizersure, Pali18:13
PaliDocScrutinizer, is for that simple math formula?18:13
DocScrutinizersome background18:14
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Estel_DocScrutinizer, re kernel hostmode patches - I may be wrong, but I remember You was talking about lack of tuning clock's things in hostmode ekrnel patches, that result in MAX 4MB/s transfer via hostmode18:50
Estel_+, long time ago, we were talking about something hostmode related, and You told me that it should be done in kernel side, but since Paul departure, no USB ekrnel developer + it's niche... but I can't remember what was that about18:51
Estel_of course take all of this with grianj of salt, as I'm not knowledgeable about hostmode internals18:51
Estel_ah, probably, it was about idle power draw18:51
Estel_which can be ugly workarounded outside kernel patches18:52
Estel_but proper solution would be in kernel implementation - IIRC18:52
Estel_so i had impression, that there is some work left in kernel side, that cant be accomplished18:52
Estel_+ don't get me wrong, I agree that hostmode is - generally - feature complete18:52
Estel_freemangordon, this thing You've though I could ask Qgil to open - powertop for Maemo - does we have enough documented open bits, or it's still pending work?18:53
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Estel_I'm learning how to properly use steam-mop in housework cleaning... It's more complicated that any shell-scripting!19:15
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MrPinguEstel_ : Is it on purpose config file of ereswap is resetted after reflash?19:31
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Estel_honestly? No, but /home/.ereswap should be touched via reswap? 0_o19:32
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Estel_someone already suggested to move adjust-rcS-late and update-rcS-late out of there, because it *isn't* touched after reflash19:33
Estel_soudns reasonable, as after reflasdh, you're using - at least for a while - standard flash partition...19:33
Estel_but, still, I haven't had this in mind19:33
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MrPinguLet me explain, I reflashed combine only, all apps are gone. Then reinstall ereswap and voila, config file is overwritten19:47
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Estel_well, obviously, during reinstall, config files are overwritten20:36
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freemangordonPali, yeah i read it. Maybe we could ask jonwil to continue my work (la addon and libbmeipc)20:57
freemangordon*hal addon20:57
Palibut jonwil is offline20:58
freemangordonPali, we can PM him for example :D20:58
Paliok :)20:58
freemangordonEstel_, I don't understandyour question (re qgil), but there is two-years old bug re opensourcing powertop, and qgil is assigned that bug21:00
freemangordonPali, now you have the correct kernel, you may enable -thumb repo and do apt-get update/upgrade21:00
freemangordonand tell me (or note somewhere) what apt-get thinks about what space will be freed21:01
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Palifreemangordon, I will play with -thumb later21:01
* freemangordon wishes javispedro was here, AIUI he thinks he has a piece of SW that will crash if thumb-compiled21:02
freemangordonPali, sure, just don't forget to write down how many MBs are freed21:03
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Palifreemangordon, you can try enable -thumb repo in qemu if you need to know MBs...21:04
freemangordonyou mean in SB?21:05
Palin900 qemu images are part of madde21:05
freemangordonno madde here21:05
Palino real system n900 qemu images21:05
freemangordonok, besides Qt creator21:05
Paliit is good for testing if maemo system will be bootable after core changes (e.g kernel, bootloader, libraries or init scripts...)21:06
freemangordonPali, I can reflash my second device and do it, but if you are goint to do it, then there is no sense21:06
freemangordonPali, I am always testing on the device :)21:07
PaliI will play with -thumb next week21:07
* freemangordon heads for another coffee, hoping it will make his typing skills better21:08
Palimadde also working on windows21:08
Paliand about qemu runtime is wiki page:
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vi___evening chaps21:15
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freemangordonPali, maybe it is a good idea to send a mail on maemo-devels mailing list re hal addon and libbmeipc FOSS replacement and their current status21:19
Paliok, write mail. you did initial code21:20
freemangordonI am not sure I am subscibed :D. Let me check21:20
vi___I have an idea...21:22
vi___with android, a whole new slew of frequency governers have been invented21:22
freemangordonvi___, android does not work like linux AFAIK, they don't use the same PM methods like OMAP kernel does21:24
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freemangordoni.e. you're either off or full on, no PM domains managements. And that is why android suck on battery21:25
vi___freemangordon: I am talking about frequency scaling governer like ondemand and conservative.21:25
freemangordonmight be wrong, but I think felipe contreras wrote something about that on his blog21:25
freemangordonvi___, I got your point21:25
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freemangordonjust saying that AFAIK it is a bit different21:25
vi___freemangordon: well what I was going to say was21:26
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vi___there is this governer that behaves like ondemand upto a set frequency21:26
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vi___the behaves like conservative above that frequency21:26
freemangordonvi___, but what will happen then with the whole race-to-idle concept?21:27
vi___freemangordon: I think it is overated21:27
freemangordonmight be ;)21:27
vi___when you have the device in your pocket doing nothing, maybe21:27
vi___when you are listening to an mp321:28
vi___you have a constant small cpu load21:28
vi___and the processor NEVER sleeps21:28
freemangordonit sleeps21:28
vi___well, ok.  It does a little21:28
vi___if you run powertop when playing an mp3, ondemand21:29
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vi___if you run powertop when playing an mp3 with 250-600 compared to 250-90021:30
vi___you will see no differance21:30
freemangordonno difference in?21:30
freemangordonCx states?21:30
vi___t5ime spent in c421:30
vi___or c321:30
vi___or c221:30
vi___or c121:30
freemangordonhmm, that is strange21:31
freemangordonyou've just thrown race-to-idle through the window :D21:31
vi___got any other paradigms I can shatter?21:32
vi___you wait till you hear what I have to say about qauntum mecanics21:32
freemangordonyou can start with thumb2 in that regard :P21:32
vi___way out my league21:32
vi___assuming I am correct about the above21:33
freemangordonyeah, I got the idea21:33
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vi___it would make more sense to have the CPU jump to a maximum of say 600MHz (the best power/speed) point.21:34
freemangordon"stay on 5509600 for as long as possible"21:34
vi___and if it needs more, then to scale up the available freqs, just like conservative21:34
infobotfreemangordon meant: "stay on 550-600 for as long as possible"21:34
freemangordonmakes sense21:34
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freemangordondo yu have any hard data (powertop) while laying one and the same mp3, under one and the same conditions?21:35
vi___not on me but I could make it and pastebinnit21:35
freemangordonit just does not makes sense that we decode the same stream for the same time under 600 and under 90021:36
freemangordonthere is something more here21:36
vi___perhaps the sampling rate is too low?21:36
freemangordonhmm, it seems the second coffie has no effect on my typing skills, maybe i should try with a AJck Daniels?21:37
vi___perhaps mixed with a little cola?21:38
freemangordonnaah, only ice21:38
vi___maemos pastebinit is depreciated21:38
freemangordonit should work AFAIK21:39
vi___freemangordon: then you simply must meet my good friend single malt21:39
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vi___THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API.
vi___son of a gun21:40
vi___pastebinit was damned useful21:40
freemangordonWTF, it was FB first, now pastebin.21:41
freemangordonsmells like conspiracy21:41
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freemangordonMohammadAG, ping21:44
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freemangordonvi___, BTW i got a better idea - use ondemand's behaviour when unlocked, limit the frequencies to 500-600 when locked21:47
freemangordonsomething like batterypatch :P21:48
freemangordonthat way you can listen to your mp3s with the best power ratio21:48
vi___freemangordon: actually the best way I have found to listen to mp3 is...21:49
vi___with conservative governer21:49
vi___limits 250-90021:49
vi___up threshold 6721:49
vi___down threshold 6521:49
vi___the n900 hangs around 25021:49
vi___touching 500 from time to time21:50
vi___as oppose to hanging around 250 tehn whizzing upto 900 from time to time21:50
vi___and here is the ball breaker21:50
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vi___there also seems to be no effect on the c states used in comparison to ondemand21:51
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freemangordonvi___, that does not make sense21:51
vi___freemangordon: no21:51
freemangordonvi___, it might be that we don't stay idle for long enough to enter a different c state?21:52
vi___tis a noodle scratcher to be sure21:52
freemangordonso locking to 900 should affect c states21:53
vi___freemangordon: I am not sure how the C state change algorithm works21:53
vi___freemangordon: I imagine so.21:53
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freemangordonfrom what I know every c-state has a set of power domains to turn off and a latency to enter/exit. Not sure how the decisions are taken though21:55
vi___well the good news is, debian wheezy pastebinit will straitup install with no fiddling21:56
vi___just wget the deb, dpkg -i that mutha, job done21:56
freemangordonit works?21:56
ShadowJKiirc the audio buffers are so tiny the cpu can't really sleep?21:57
ShadowJKalthough when playing with ffmpeg's decoders, aac and mp3 used far less power than default codecs21:57
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freemangordonhmm. But then if we lock the max frequency there should be a change in c-states picture.21:59
freemangordonnot that it will be more efficient21:59
ShadowJKooh, 67% C2 playing mp3 with default media player22:01
ShadowJK31% C0, 80% 250MHz22:01
freemangordondoes not look good22:02
freemangordonno C4 at all?22:02
freemangordongreat, which kernol do you use?22:04
ShadowJKthis is stock22:04
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freemangordonlet me check how is PK with 250-80522:05
ShadowJKavg 5ms in c222:05
vi___^ open media player + mp3 + pk50 + ssh over wifi (no activity other than playing mp3, screen locked)22:06
vi___^locked at 900 MHz22:06
vi___^ the same at locked @ 25022:08
vi___I stand corrected22:08
vi___there is a differance22:08
freemangordonyeah, and it is major22:08
freemangordon15.6 vs 48.1 in C022:09
ShadowJKi thiknk you need 500ms sleep time to enter c422:09
ShadowJKand audio buffer isn't big enough to sleep 500ms :)22:09
freemangordonyeah :)22:09
freemangordonbut that sems to be a problem of mafw-gst-renderer not providing long enough queue22:10
freemangordonvi___, could you try the same mp3 via gst-launch and a big output queue placed before audiosink22:11
vi___wot codes i need to write?22:11
freemangordonaah, let me do it22:12
vi___I am somewhat unfamiliar with gst-launch22:12
freemangordonok, I will do it22:12
Estel_hey, myt N900 sleeps properly when playing music22:13
ShadowJKyou need about 2000ms hardware buffer, in 500ms chunks, so that sound hw irq rate is 2 per second or so22:13
Estel_but I use ogg ;)22:13
ShadowJKdunno if the hw is capable of that22:13
ShadowJKsoftware buffers do little22:13
Estel_it properly enters c2 and c322:13
Estel_sometimes, even c4 a little22:13
Estel_so my results are *not8 in line with vi_"s22:13
Estel_BTw, I got few news, 1 good and 2 bad22:13
vi___Estel_: ya...22:14
Estel_good is that i know what was causing C! bug - as i expected, goddamned fm radio. I jsut got call today while listening to it, and it got stuck22:14
vi___is it about my n950?22:14
Estel_of cours,e bug appear then22:14
Estel_2nd new,s bad one22:14
Estel_as addition to keeping cpu in C1, borked fm radio also disables microphone (softwareish) - it's either disabled at all, or expect bluetooth - anyway, both in call and while using dictaphone, it doesn't work22:15
Estel_messing with alsa doesn';t help, only restart22:15
Estel_3th news, also bad, or even worse - whiole fm radio dies out in bad way, it not only keep cpu in c1 state and diusables microphone, it also have good chance to screw Your rootfs during shutdown22:15
Estel_I've no idea WTF...22:15
Estel_But second time in this week I had to restore rootfs from backup, *only* rootfs22:15
Estel_and everytime it happen, it's when FM radio get stuck22:16
Estel_BTW, it's *fiorst* two times ever, when I have to restore rootfs22:16
Estel_from recovery console, rootfs is accesible and files look OK, although Maemo doesn't even play 5 dots22:16
Estel_after restoring rootfs from bacup, it automagically works again22:16
Estel_I have no freakin idea how borked FM Radio app is able to fuck rootfs that should be unfuckable, but...22:17
Estel_just a word of warning22:17
Estel_vi___, I've no idea, mines sleep wel as soon as i've switched from using Easy Debian's xbindkeys to Maemo's xbindkeys22:17
vi___Estel_: I have always used maemos xbindkeys22:18
vi___even for the middle/right click thing22:19
Estel_for middle-right click you're probably using maemo's xdotool?22:20
Estel_invoked via xbindkeys?22:20
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Estel_same here22:20
vi___I like easy debian22:20
Estel_have You managed to make maemo's xbindkeys to start with boot?22:20
vi___but only for some things22:20
vi___Estel_: yes22:21
Estel_same here, but easy debians xbindkeys is borked, it keeps CPU in C3 and use 200+ wakeups when idle22:21
Estel_vi___, how?! I can't manage to do it22:21
Estel_every way I tried via etc/event.d failed22:21
vi___Estel_: I know :)22:21
vi___it took me a long time to work out22:21
Estel_i tried it alone, via osso-xterm 'xbindkeys', wrapped inside shell script,, everything22:21
vi___I needed it for mounting/unmounting special loop back files for holding maps and stuff22:22
Estel_so share Your ancient knowledge, pls ;)22:22
vi___that I do not use anymore22:22
vi___you need to use the X11 startup files22:22
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vi___/etc/X11/Xsession.dcat /etc/X11/
vi___xbindkeys -f /home/user/.xbindkeysrc22:23
vi___cat /etc/X11/
vi___xbindkeys -f /home/user/.xbindkeysrc22:23
vi___oops, double post22:23
vi___Estel_: do you see?22:23
Estel_thanks a lot22:24
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Estel_but it need to be in two places?22:25
Estel_BTW, I just realized I've lsot 2nd time my work on fixing by blueled22:25
vi___I accidentially posted it twice22:25
* Estel_ is going berseker22:25
Estel_no no22:25
Estel_<vi___> /etc/X11/Xsession.dcat /etc/X11/
Estel_those 2 files22:26
vi___ok ignore EVERYTHING i have posted22:26
vi___I will get it right this time22:26
vi___cat /etc/X11/
vi___xbindkeys -f /home/user/.xbindkeysrc22:26
Estel_ah, simple as that22:26
vi___so I have a file /etc/X11/
vi___that contains the script:22:27
vi___xbindkeys -f /home/user/.xbindkeysrc22:27
Estel_roger that22:27
Estel_thanks a lot22:27
vi___literally that simple22:27
vi___This is how I start most of my scripts22:27
vi___configure frequencies and DSP speeds etc22:27
vi___so I have no need for kernel config22:27
Estel_wuuuuut? My N900 isn't booting again22:28
Estel_what the fuckin fuck?22:28
vi___Estel_: sounds like you have someting fundamentally broken22:28
freemangordonlike nand or something22:28
Estel_sounds like I've managed to get something fundamentaly broken in 15 minutes time from recovering backup and restoring things22:28
Estel_nope, this time I expect that i've fucked something.. wlel, what I've did...22:29
vi___Estel_: perhaps disable watchdogs in R&D mode.22:29
Estel_I would rather expect that my rcS-late gone apeshit22:29
vi___that would eliminate a lot of possibilities22:29
Estel_but indeed You're right also22:29
Estel_will try to edit rcS-late via vi and check wtf22:30
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Estel_maybe my own script from ereswpa, that is working for others, misbehaved with my rcS-late22:30
Estel_some forgotten mod or something22:30
Estel_I've checked it bvriefly - maybe TOO briefly22:30
vi___did you install batterypatch?22:31
Estel_very funny22:31
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Estel_BTw I'm using You, vi22:32
Estel_to edit my rcS-late22:32
Estel_does anybody have unmodified one and could pastebin it? I would use it as reference22:32
Estel_because overall it looks legit, but maybe sed did something small...22:33
vi___what is it you need?22:33
vi___what file?22:33
Estel_erm, who remember command to delete whole line in vi22:33
Estel_ah, thanks22:33
Estel_I mean22:34
Estel_this time I made it without typo22:34
NIN101dpkg -S to search for the files22:34
NIN101then you know the package22:34
NIN101you can download the package and unpack it22:34
NIN101and it will contain an unmodified then.22:35
vi___NIN101: protip22:35
vi___brb, gotta fix meh motorcycle.22:36
Estel_Nin101, thanks,  but when my N900 isn;'t booting22:36
Estel_I cant ;)22:36
Estel_editing rcS-late fixed it22:37
NIN101sorry, didn't have context :-)22:37
Estel_BTW, vi, you've modified rcS-late, some remnants from additional mounts are there ;)22:37
Estel_NIN101, no problem, thanks for tip anyway22:37
vi___Estel_: yeah...22:37
vi___just ignore that22:37
Estel_now, what I've had fucked in my few pro commands that work for everyone else except the author22:37
vi___be glad I had the common sense to comment it when I did it.22:37
Estel_I haven't had rain of reports about unable to boot after installing ereswap, so it seems I'm only one affected, WTF22:37
vi___sounds like bad juju22:38
vi___yup, definatley bad juju22:38
Estel_I just deleted some lines that shouldn't cause any problems and replaced it with vanilla rcS-late content, which, BTW, I know form memory now :p22:38
vi___you must make a pentagram of n900s connected by a token ring ethernet and sacrifice an n950 in the middle22:39
Estel_for now, I managed to boot it no problem with 200 MB swap ;P22:39
vi___it is the only way to appease the angry gods that smite your boot sequance22:39
Estel_yea, wil ldo it as soon as I call my son, as i should did it 45 minutes afo, fuck the alck of dumb phone22:40
vi___Heh when my n900 breaks I am going back to a symbian22:40
Estel_if my breaks - and I really doubt it - I'm going another N90022:41
infobotEstel_ meant: if mine breaks - and I really doubt it - I'm going another N90022:42
Estel_ok, now i've serious question22:45
Estel_vanilla rcS-late contains line:22:45
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Estel_/sbin/swapon -a22:46
Estel_I've replaced it with:22:46
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Estel_that was what I've replaced it with22:51
Estel_now, what is so FCKD in it22:51
Estel_that it works for everyone else, but fails on me22:51
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Estel_i9.e. result in system failing to display 5 dots and kept forever with black screen and backlight on22:51
Estel_(+keyboard backlight turning on when you expand keyboard)22:51
Estel_it can';t be even called reboot loop, as it just sits like that22:52
Estel_vi, do you have ereswap installed?22:52
infobotEstel_ meant: vi___, do you have ereswap installed?22:52
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Estel_now when i think about it, it seems to me that I had same settings yesterday, and shutdown/poweron many times, already22:56
Estel_trying to make xbindkeys working properly22:56
Estel_but today, it made device non-bootable, and removing this line made it bootable again22:56
Estel_something is wrong here22:56
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Estel_ping vi___23:17
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* Estel_ investigates why few lines from zerobin above make device unbootable, while it worked just yesterday23:30
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Estel_merlin1991, ping23:56

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