| Estel_ | ...and we're not forced to face such dilema, as we're talking about open stuff either way | 00:00 |
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| Estel_ | just between a "compatibility dictate" | 00:00 |
| Estel_ | aka "you wont hijack" | 00:00 |
| Estel_ | and feasibility | 00:00 |
| chem|st | you may think of you&me talking of users... I think of my girlfriend and she's already pretty techsavvy | 00:00 |
| Estel_ | aka "compatibility when possible and feasible" | 00:00 |
| Woody14619 | and as a result, resources shift away from Fedora and into the other development stream. | 00:00 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, cssu is already not compatible ;) | 00:01 |
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| Estel_ | see Return and Kp_Enter | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius, yes, there are several open bugs remaining, well we will fix it. And what after that? | 00:01 |
| Estel_ | no one cried about it too loudly | 00:01 |
| chem|st | Estel_: what has that to do with cssu? | 00:01 |
| Estel_ | but but, users need to use kp enter instead of return due to CSSU! | 00:01 |
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| Estel_ | it's unbeliveable incompatibility ;) | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | maintainers got a 'concept' - they try to follow that - devels are free to code whatever they like but don't have any power to change what maintainers think about that code they develop. If devels are smart they discuss stuff and try to find a consensus how their cute stuff fits into that concept, or they decide for a different way to publish their stuff. In the end it's user who decides whether to pick disto A or distro B (though I feel | 00:02 |
| kaawee | Hello! What can I do to get interface usb0 running? | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | sick talking about distors here, as CSSU is NOT a new distro, it's continuing maemo original) | 00:02 |
| Estel_ | cssu changed way xterm and some other things inerpret return and kp enter | 00:02 |
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| chem|st | Estel_: kp_enter was in maemo5 since 1.0 | 00:02 |
| Estel_ | yea | 00:02 |
| Estel_ | and now it's return | 00:02 |
| chem|st | and that is good! | 00:02 |
| merlin1991 | kaawee: the easist way is to use mad-developer | 00:02 |
| Estel_ | it's good I agree | 00:03 |
| kaawee | merlin1991: Isn't it available by default? | 00:03 |
| chem|st | it is how it should be | 00:03 |
| Estel_ | but incompatible! | 00:03 |
| chem|st | with what? | 00:03 |
| Estel_ | at least as much as kp and powertop | 00:03 |
| Estel_ | even more | 00:03 |
| merlin1991 | kaawee: it is but that way you have a nice gui and a dhcp server and whatnot :) | 00:03 |
| chem|st | all base programs handle it fine | 00:03 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, with everything that relied on kp_enter! | 00:03 |
| Estel_ | I'm ironically, if You haven't noticed | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: sorry dude, the KP-enter fix is backwards compatible - bad example | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | not always | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | reinob made a list of incompatible apps | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | on tmo already | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | most of them fixed now | 00:04 |
| kaawee | merlin1991: well, I just want to have TCP access using usb and I'm not afraid to enter some commands, but it seems that "usb0" is not there at all | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 00:04 |
| chem|st | incompatible from nokia repos? | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | it was incompatible! how come... | 00:04 |
| Sicelo | kaawee: you are right that it's available by default .. if you want to do it manually, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | I'm just saying that compatibility zealots are bigotic a little | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | what suits You is ok | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | even if not compatible | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | it's putting personal prefferences over merit | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | i.e. feasibility etc | 00:05 |
| chem|st | I changed kp_enter mapping in 1.0 and never had any issues... | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | return is feasible. | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | kernel-power too. | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so go install whatever you like, but don't expect all of it to show up on cssu repo | 00:06 |
| Estel_ | return is/was incompatible with some things, but is problem of those things | 00:06 |
| Estel_ | powertop is incompatible with kp, but it's powertop problem | 00:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs loudly, and definitely turns away | 00:06 | |
| Estel_ | = using it as another reason why "kp is incompatible" is plain wrong | 00:06 |
| chem|st | I'm out | 00:06 |
| Estel_ | bye bye | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | popcorn ended, anyway | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | I just hope that we can have such or more heated discussions in future without "idiots" flying over IRC channel etc | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | as it's not a way of discussing I'm used to. | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | see ya! I'm off too. | 00:08 |
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| Woody14619 | Estel_, your image is fubar... | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | just one rather funny last summary: the whole topic started when *estel_* complained about sudden increase in idle power consumption and gone apeshit when I suggested to install stock kernel first measure | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | yea | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, nope | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | You suggested it that I might have 1150 mhz | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | powertop works ok | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | NO I DIDN'T | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | and this discussion started ages ago | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | ok, so missunderstanding | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | btw old discussions about cssu, they echoe always. | 00:09 |
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| Estel_ | some people pivoting it to things they would like it to be, while it turned different way long time ago, in practice. | 00:10 |
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| Estel_ | whatever. | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | btw we're morons, we discussed it on #maemo instead of #maemo-ssu ;) | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever your universe shows when you look CSSU's direction, yes | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fact is cssu got a foundation manifest | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | I'm off to see why debian's xbindkeys go apeshit keeping cpu on C1 :/ | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's not to ignore at momentary impulse or childish whim | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | manifest or not, only practice will shown how it will turn out | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you're not going to redefine CSSU by "while it turned different way long time ago, in practice." | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | long time ago, there was a mnifest that no one will ever need more than 512kb of RAM, sigh | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ...as that's your personal take on it | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and maintainers and founders will just shrug | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | not mine, ffs. big chaotic body of devs and users will decide | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | by practical action | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | cssu shape is not forming on academic discussions | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | that could only raise ego of discuttants. | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | create ACME-NOVE-CSSU | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're free to fork | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | it's all matter of ad-hoc steps and practice | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | the funniest thing is that I doubt fork will be ever needed ;) | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | discussions are just another reality | 00:14 |
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| Estel_ | practice is all that matter. | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | aka get things done (tm) | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually you're right, as me and merlin1991 created cssu-extras, with a lot of input from other experienced maintainers | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so your fork won't ever be needed | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | ...which, as I've said, sounds like good idea, as long as people want to spend their time on it | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | doc relax :D | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | and managing compatibility with main cssu | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | N8 | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | I'm not forking anything. | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, btw, I hope You don't think I want to replace cssu maintainrs | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | he said practice will show, and since I don't see a sudden change of maintainers in cssu I don't see a sudden change in direction :) | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | I think You're all doing great work | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | it's just that I deny clocking things due to personal ideology/prefference and no one is entitled to do so. Which doesn't sound like big problem now | 00:17 |
| kaawee | On "ifup usb0", I get "ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device". Why? | 00:18 |
| merlin1991 | if anything this whole discussion has to be done with mag since he has the last word on anything cssu | 00:18 |
| merlin1991 | kaawee gimme a sec | 00:18 |
| Sicelo | kaawee: did you choose PC Suite mode? | 00:18 |
| Estel_ | I'm sure Council will support any feasible project that "provides" and CSSU is IMO one of two main such things | 00:18 |
| kaawee | Sicelo: now I did | 00:18 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, i'm not so sure i get you kaawee :) | 00:19 |
| kaawee | Sicelo: Well, I plugged in the USB cable, then issued "ifup usb0" (without selecting pc suite mode explicitly), with the result that no "usb0" device was available. After selection pc suite mode, also no "usb0" device is available. | 00:20 |
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| kaawee | Sicelo: however, "lsmod | grep ^usb" yields "usbnet 13062 0" | 00:22 |
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| merlin1991 | kaawee: you need to check for g_nokia or g_ether | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | and g_file_storage is not allowed to be there :) | 00:25 |
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| kaawee | merlin1991: there is just "g_nokia" there, no any other "g_" module | 00:27 |
| Woody14619 | K. I'm off till Tuesday. May be back tomorrow for the meeting if I can get access, otherwise, have a great holiday (or weekend if you're not in the US. ;) | 00:27 |
| merlin1991 | hm with g_nokia you "should" get usb networking | 00:27 |
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| Estel_ | see ya Woody | 00:27 |
| kaawee | merlin1991: I, however, have a "phonet0" and a "upnlink0" device, whatever this is | 00:28 |
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| Sicelo | kaawee: he meant g_ether/nokia on your pc, not N900 | 00:46 |
| merlin1991 | Sicelo: I'm pretty sure I meant on the n900 :) | 00:47 |
| merlin1991 | though I'm starting to wonder if kaawee is missing usb0 on the n900 or on his host | 00:47 |
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| Sicelo | O.o | 00:50 |
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| Estel_ | Sicelo, take look at it: | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?a24ca26a0cbca5b9#L5LF09Y9qd87r6BYPmaNLit/ohIUawvVUiMAk8Q/7tE= | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | no xbindkeys and no acticity, yet, still 100% time in C1 | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | WTF I ask? | 00:52 |
| Sicelo | possible for N900 connected via PC Suite mode to have g_file_storage loaded? i'm sure the script for that unloads it automatically | 00:52 |
| Estel_ | anyone knowledgeable, any ideas, judging by this powertop output? | 00:52 |
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| Estel_ | this bugger keeps my device @ ~50 mA idle usage... | 00:53 |
| Estel_ | cpu just sit in C1, for no reason, what the?... | 00:53 |
| merlin1991 | Sicelo: pc suite sohuld unload mass storge | 00:54 |
| merlin1991 | but i had it happen that it didn't | 00:54 |
| merlin1991 | though that was on a fucked up setup | 00:54 |
| Sicelo | interesting | 00:54 |
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| Sicelo | btw, kaawee, are you following the wiki? it's quite verbose | 00:55 |
| Sicelo | Estel_: you nearly had to flash a day or two ago .. maybe something else broke :\ | 00:56 |
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| sumanah | My N900 has my Skype password on it, which I've forgotten, and I'm trying to figure out how to retrieve it. I figure it's stored in plaintext somewhere on the device, but I'm having a hard time figuring out where/how | 01:02 |
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| Sicelo | why don't you simply ask for a pssword reset from skype website? | 01:05 |
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| sumanah | Aha, found it, file:///home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg | 01:07 |
| sumanah | Sicelo: Because I think that the email address I signed up with is no longer one I have access to :( | 01:07 |
| Sicelo | anyway, install 'mc-tool', then do, 'mc-tool list' to find out which account it's in, the do 'mc-tool show <full/skype/account_name>' .. your password is there | 01:07 |
| Sicelo | ok. you found it elsewhere :P | 01:07 |
| sumanah | Thanks for the help though! | 01:07 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, my .rtcomm.../accounts.cfg doesn't seems to show the password | 01:10 |
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| vi__ | Estel_: grats on becoming a maemo comunity council member. | 01:12 |
| vi__ | ...i think. | 01:12 |
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| vi__ | Woody14619: grats on becoming a community council member. | 01:13 |
| Woody14619 | wow.... so tiny on the N900... | 01:13 |
| vi__ | Woody14619: what does the 14619 mean? | 01:13 |
| vi__ | what is so tiny? | 01:13 |
| Woody14619 | thanks vi__. just setting up my N900 to irc in in case I get access tomorrow. | 01:14 |
| vi__ | Woody14619: irrsi, right! | 01:14 |
| Woody14619 | US zipcode. :) | 01:14 |
| vi__ | heh | 01:14 |
| vi__ | imma gonna find your house | 01:14 |
| Woody14619 | xchat actually. :) | 01:14 |
| Sicelo | nah, he's on xchat.. | 01:14 |
| vi__ | xchat, bah. | 01:15 |
| Woody14619 | still need to setup ssl.... | 01:15 |
| vi__ | it is all about the irrsi | 01:15 |
| merlin1991 | ssl on irc, lulz | 01:15 |
| Sicelo | Woody14619: somewhere docscrutinizer has a nice config that makes xchat kinda bearable | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | XChat on N900 is the best. | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish it were available on Harmattan. | 01:16 |
| Woody14619 | I use Ychat on my system normally, so... :) | 01:16 |
| vi__ | merlin1991: too right, I dun wont no goviment spiing on my eye-arr-see | 01:16 |
| Woody14619 | k, off to holiday. hope to be back tomorrow for meeting. if not see you all tuesday. Have a nice holiday! | 01:17 |
| vi__ | bb | 01:17 |
| vi__ | has anyone here used dbuscron? | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: woody: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ | 01:26 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: you dont happen to know a very minimalistic/simple LED constant current source with low drop .. better and simpler than: http://schaltplan.de.tl/LED_Konstantstromquelle.htm | 02:52 |
| cehteh | ? | 02:52 |
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| chem|st | *yawn* | 08:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: the circuit seems rather nifty | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: hard to find sth better and simpler | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: probably only possible by redefinition of "simple" | 09:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my 'new' laptop is on its way... *finally* | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500GB of free space, I think there's some left over for SB ;-D | 09:11 |
| fastlane` | so what are the configurations of your new laptop | 09:15 |
| fastlane` | docscrutinizer | 09:16 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, I decided on slightly different approach re thumb2 erratas - ALWAYS set IBE bit on board init, disable it later through sysfs if needed. Any comments? | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | an old used lenovo t500, with 8GB and 500GB storage | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: well, not much of a difference, nothing a initscript couldn't handle anyway | 09:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's even arguable if that's maybe the better config, as it alows early boot binaries ith thumb interworking | 09:19 |
| freemangordon | yeah, that is why i choose it | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds all ok to me | 09:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (t500) I hope to teach linux/X11 to properly switch between 'internal' and auxiliary graca | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, win7 knows to switch on the fly, so linux will be able to learn that too, no? | 09:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer anticipates heavy patching sessions against xserver | 09:27 | |
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| freemangordon | Pali, ping | 10:11 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/24/another_installment_of_patent_stupidity/ <-- hahaha | 10:30 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: there might be some problems with intel+fglrx/radeon (I am just guessing the setup) | 11:26 |
| chem|st | lot of people drop into #ati asking about that | 11:27 |
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| freemangordon | ~seen javiespedro | 13:04 |
| infobot | freemangordon: i haven't seen 'javiespedro' | 13:04 |
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| teotwaki | ~seen javispedro | 13:05 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 18h 47m 24s ago, saying: 'that'd make for interesting performance counters'. | 13:05 |
| freemangordon | teotwaki, thanks | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: yeah, I'm aware of the (heating) problems when enabling both gracas | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: since I'm using the t500 for 99.99% just stationary, I might as well go for 'external' card only setup | 13:30 |
| chem|st | +1 | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | btw DHL delivered, just can't wait to come home | 13:32 |
| chem|st | ;) | 13:35 |
| chem|st | I cannot wait to get home to have a full 3 days WE without electronics but my phone^^ | 13:36 |
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| Estel_ | Jaffa, re-ping | 15:17 |
| Estel_ | strange, if I reboot device and left it overnight, then try powertop, it properly enters c3 state | 15:18 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: a friend ov3r here ordered an n9 saying "a good way to show nokia that I still like them but not wp" alike | 15:18 |
| Estel_ | but, something from normal usage tings make it to sit in C1 all the time. either wifi-adhoc enabling and disabling, or charging... | 15:19 |
| * Estel_ investigates | 15:19 | |
| chem|st | that sounds like a PR1.2 bug... | 15:19 |
| Jaffa | Estel_: re-pong | 15:22 |
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| Estel_ | Does anyone remember, how to set maemo mailing list to forward all messages directly, instead of daily batches? | 15:34 |
| Raimu | Hmm, that "Battery low" blomp sound Maemo starts making is annoying me more as time passes. | 15:34 |
| Raimu | Need to see where it is disabled. | 15:34 |
| fastlane` | do share ocne u find out Raimu | 15:35 |
| Estel_ | is it just neccessary to set up subscribtion without "yes" to "would like to receive batches"? as now I'm receiving only batches, for months actually | 15:35 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, not possible, I haven't encountered it for ages, afaik kernel-power fixed it long time ago | 15:36 |
| fastlane` | maybe unsubscribe and resubscribe Estel_ | 15:36 |
| Estel_ | although, it also ressembled me such old bug | 15:36 |
| Estel_ | fastlane`, hm | 15:36 |
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| Estel_ | chem|st, maybe something in cssu or kp broke old fix, I'm checking it now | 15:37 |
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| fastlane` | btw, does anyone know, I downloaded the latest qt sdk 1.2.1, it has the harmattan target but not fremantle, so where can I add that target? | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: KP fix for booting issue | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | possibly breaks USB activation/C1 fix in KP | 15:46 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, why is that? | 16:17 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, denied, I can't reproduce it now | 16:17 |
| Estel_ | idk wtf | 16:17 |
| Estel_ | it was bugging me whole yesterday | 16:18 |
| Estel_ | I tried wifi ad hoc, fm radio (with terminating it wrong way) | 16:18 |
| Estel_ | charging | 16:18 |
| Estel_ | in all combinations, and CPU properly enters C4 | 16:18 |
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| Estel_ | yesterday, and for few days already, it got stuck on C1 without any reasons - low ammount of hw wakeups etc | 16:19 |
| Estel_ | dunno why. easdy debians's xbindkeys was keeping cpu in c3, but it isn't related to main issue | 16:19 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, you should check your voltages, your last issue, along with previous issue with 720p, smells like too much undervolting | 16:20 |
| Estel_ | for last few days I was using, mainly, ad hox wifi, fm radio and charging :( no idea wtf | 16:20 |
| freemangordon | or too much OC | 16:20 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, tried on dsp setting with stock range | 16:20 |
| Estel_ | BTW common things for all occurences of problem - after reboot, for some time, cpu enters C4 all right | 16:21 |
| Estel_ | then, after long usage, "something" trigger some bug | 16:21 |
| freemangordon | sure, but you know DSP OC combined with SR is unstable on some devices | 16:21 |
| Estel_ | and CPU is in C1 all the time (0.01 % time in C2, so it "tries") | 16:22 |
| Estel_ | yea. | 16:22 |
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| freemangordon | yours being one of them :) | 16:22 |
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| Estel_ | hm, it was working fine for months, but who knows | 16:22 |
| freemangordon | with KP50? I doubt | 16:22 |
| Estel_ | ok, so if I got hit by it again | 16:22 |
| Estel_ | what to do to confirm/deny? | 16:22 |
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| freemangordon | Estel_, do you use u-boot by chance? | 16:23 |
| Estel_ | I'll use device as normal, and check powertop | 16:23 |
| Estel_ | no, not yet | 16:23 |
| Estel_ | multiboot, while booting only one kernel (power) :P | 16:23 |
| freemangordon | ok. as it was behaving like that when L2 cache was disabled, because of a bug in some of the older versions of u-boot | 16:23 |
| Estel_ | yea, remember about that | 16:24 |
| freemangordon | latest is fine | 16:24 |
| Estel_ | hm, so, lets say at evening I check powertop and CPU is stuck at C1 as lowest state | 16:24 |
| Estel_ | what should I try? | 16:24 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 16:24 |
| Estel_ | disabling sr? | 16:24 |
| freemangordon | yeah, maybe | 16:24 |
| Estel_ | it doesn't require reboot to activate? | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | no, it is changed on-the-fly | 16:25 |
| Estel_ | maybe disable dsp overclock | 16:25 |
| Estel_ | too | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | you should try "default" profile | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | it has range 250-600, no DSP OC, and SR on | 16:25 |
| Estel_ | and check if problem persist. although something tells me its unrelated. It reminds me of pr 1.2 C1 error too much | 16:25 |
| Estel_ | ok | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (152225 <Estel_> hm, it was working fine for months, but who knows) Estel_ that's the very nature of OC and EM: the chip wears out | 16:26 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, can't filter it out as source of issue, although I doubt it. well, will try without dsp OC and mpu OC | 16:26 |
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| Estel_ | I doubt it, as it would be first really confirmed case of such nature, using sane overclocking (900 mhz max) | 16:27 |
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| Estel_ | so lets wait for confirmation, or another OC FUD will arise | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odds are the damage done to silicon isn't reversible by reverting to 'normal' clodck and voltage settings | 16:28 |
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| Estel_ | damage to silicon, that behaves like software bug and keep cpu in C1 state only, when certain software conditions are meet? I doubt it, but of course will keep and eye on it | 16:29 |
| Estel_ | I would rather think that for last few days I'm using things that are rarely used | 16:29 |
| Estel_ | both by me and by majority of users | 16:29 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, sound reasonable, but AFAIK once once EM hits, there's no way back | 16:29 |
| Estel_ | = ad-hoc wifi for prolonged period of time, + fm radio program with is buggy as hell. | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | I even got idea, but no way to check it out | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | I remember, that everytime I got call during using fm radio... | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | it stucks beyond "repair" | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | need to kill it | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | hard way | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | then, i can restart it and listen again | 16:30 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, BTW you said early SSH is the reason for "shutdown" bug, can you confirm it | 16:30 |
| Estel_ | maybe it's keeping something out of proper state | 16:31 |
| Estel_ | i say that /default/kernel-boot entry for "*early ssh" can be reason for reboot bug | 16:31 |
| Estel_ | for me, after disabling it, reboot works | 16:31 |
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| freemangordon | i see | 16:31 |
| Estel_ | but would need to confirm it from someone who was not hit by bug | 16:31 |
| Estel_ | i.e You :P | 16:32 |
| Estel_ | enable it and reboot few times | 16:32 |
| Estel_ | it should fail approx. 50% of times at least | 16:32 |
| freemangordon | ok, will check it when have a time | 16:33 |
| Estel_ | btw, if until late evening I won't get hit by C1 bug, I'll buggy someone to call me while listening to radio and ad-hoc'ing | 16:33 |
| Estel_ | thanks, report back, maybe we've found it after so many years :P | 16:33 |
| Estel_ | tried killing fm radio hard way without call, but then it behaves ok | 16:34 |
| Estel_ | it seems that only heavy usage + call makes it go bananas | 16:34 |
| Estel_ | then, even after end of call and heavy usage ceased, You can't listen to radio again | 16:35 |
| Estel_ | and app is "frozen" | 16:35 |
| Estel_ | without messages about disabling fm module etc | 16:35 |
| Estel_ | btw I wonder why xbindkeys keeps cpu in C3 instead of C4 (200+ wakeups per 30 sec by xbindkeys from easy debian) | 16:36 |
| Estel_ | I was using it for more than a year, and haven't encountered decreased battery life | 16:36 |
| Estel_ | but fact is, that it keeps CPU in C3 | 16:36 |
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| Estel_ | so it must have some effect, even if not noticeable in real life | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | will check if Maemo's xbindkeys act like that too. | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | btw yesterday I got my shipment of 4 top-quality replacement styluses from china for 1$ each :P | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | I had to pretend I'm sales manager of one big gsm company in poland to get them | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | otherwise, only sold as 5000 units min. | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | :P | 16:38 |
| Estel_ | those 4 are from exact same plastic type, just without Nokia's logo. other replacements I tried were too elastic and "cheap", despite having unnecessary nokia logo | 16:39 |
| Estel_ | my son managed to bite out tip from replacement, lol | 16:39 |
| Estel_ | now I again feel those thing when taking stylus out from N900 | 16:40 |
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| Estel_ | and this "whiiiz" sound, like taking sword off :P | 16:40 |
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| Estel_ | cheap elastic replacements doesn't make such sound | 16:40 |
| Estel_ | feel like Witcher again, when taking stylus off N900. I should paint xkcd-style comic about that | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | ... about N900 user/Wicther, that got task to cure King's daughter Nokia, cursed to be WP and eating people every full moon | 16:45 |
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| Estel_ | ;) | 16:45 |
| Estel_ | ...and betrayder Elop, who is responsible for cursing "Young" princess. Haha, this pun is understandable only for readers of Sapkowski's books | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | and/or Witcher rpg players ;) | 16:46 |
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| teotwaki | http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=213819 | 16:52 |
| teotwaki | also, Reuter's coverage of Maxim 100's most beautiful women includes... 50 pictures. | 16:54 |
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| Estel_ | hm, Maemo's xbindkeys allow cpu to enter C4 state normally, so easy debian's xbindkeys may be called depreciated, as it keeps CPU in C3 | 17:59 |
| Estel_ | power loss isn't terriblr (or, honeslty, almost not noticeable) but still | 17:59 |
| Estel_ | anyway, I got little problem - I can't run Maemo's xbindkeys via script in /etc/event.d/ on boot 0_o | 17:59 |
| Estel_ | script actually tries to run it, but it doesn't work | 18:00 |
| Estel_ | if I run it manually, it works ok | 18:00 |
| Estel_ | any ideas wtf? | 18:00 |
| flux | maybe it's run too early, or maybe it has wrong environment. | 18:01 |
| Estel_ | it just require running it as user, "xbindkeys" | 18:01 |
| Estel_ | I tried - in script in etc/event.d - to: | 18:01 |
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| Estel_ | osso-xterm 'xbindkeys' | 18:01 |
| Estel_ | and | 18:01 |
| Estel_ | osso-xterm 'run-standalone.sh xbindkeys' | 18:02 |
| flux | ...why would you run it through osso-xterm? | 18:02 |
| Estel_ | because it doesn't work otherwise at all | 18:02 |
| Estel_ | blocking rest of script | 18:02 |
| Estel_ | i.e. i have truecrypt entry as next line | 18:02 |
| Estel_ | if I try without osso-xterm, next line doesn't even start | 18:02 |
| flux | I seriously doubt it requires osso-xterm to function | 18:02 |
| Estel_ | formerly, I've used | 18:03 |
| flux | rather you need to instruct upstart to start the process in the background | 18:03 |
| Estel_ | osso-xterm 'debbie xbindkeys' | 18:03 |
| flux | I don't remember how that's done, though | 18:03 |
| Estel_ | as I've used easy debian one | 18:03 |
| Estel_ | it also worked only via osso-xterm | 18:03 |
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| Estel_ | but worked well (despite xbindkeys from ed keeping cpu in c3) | 18:03 |
| Estel_ | flux, I see | 18:03 |
| Estel_ | hm | 18:03 |
| Estel_ | current script is "start on started hildon desktop" | 18:04 |
| Estel_ | and "stop on starting shutdown" | 18:05 |
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| Estel_ | everything except xbindkeys work like that | 18:06 |
| Estel_ | setting sysfs entry to disable indicator led for camera... | 18:06 |
| Estel_ | truecrypt dialog for mounting partition | 18:06 |
| Estel_ | mounting debian partition via 'debbie exit' :P | 18:06 |
| Estel_ | only xbindkeys fail to start | 18:06 |
| Estel_ | of course I may run it manually | 18:07 |
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| Estel_ | but if someone would have idea how to properly automate it via /etc/event.d script like my other things, I would be very grateful | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, maybe it should wait until h-d is started | 18:07 |
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| Estel_ | hm, "start on started hildon desktop" | 18:08 |
| Estel_ | isn't exactly that? | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | yep, something like that | 18:08 |
| Estel_ | but it's like that already | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | should be hildon-desktop | 18:08 |
| Estel_ | <Estel_> current script is "start on started hildon desktop" | 18:08 |
| Estel_ | hm | 18:08 |
| Estel_ | start on started hildon-desktop | 18:09 |
| Estel_ | You're telling me that for more than a year I'm using wrong command? :P | 18:09 |
| Estel_ | quite funny, but it seems You're right | 18:09 |
| Estel_ | if yes, wiki article is wrong | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | well, there should be several scripts depending on hildon-desktop, check those for the correct dependency | 18:09 |
| Estel_ | aye. | 18:09 |
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| Estel_ | it seems You're right, all of them start on hildon-desktop | 18:11 |
| Estel_ | oh god I'm idiot | 18:12 |
| freemangordon | don't forget to edit the article on wiki | 18:12 |
| Estel_ | no, I have it hildon-desktop | 18:12 |
| Estel_ | just I'm pastefail master | 18:12 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer already told ya :P | 18:12 |
| Estel_ | :P true | 18:12 |
| Estel_ | so, it fails despite being run after starting hildon-desktop | 18:13 |
| Estel_ | wtf? | 18:13 |
| Estel_ | if I set it to start after truecrypt window and via osso-xterm I even see flashing xterm window... | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | do you have DISPLAY variable in place? | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 18:13 |
| Estel_ | and it's run after everything settled down long time ago, yet, not working | 18:13 |
| Estel_ | display variable? | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | yeah, export DISPLAY=:0 | 18:14 |
| Estel_ | for xbindkeys?! | 18:14 |
| Estel_ | but if I see it, it seems it's set properly, yes? | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | hmm, it is x... after all, but I may be wrong | 18:15 |
| Estel_ | it's super strange, as it's first thing I've seen that doesn't start properly via event.d and being run after hildon-desktop started | 18:15 |
| Estel_ | but works from hand | 18:15 |
| Estel_ | maybe I should create .sh script and run it via event.d :P | 18:16 |
| Estel_ | and same command wrapped inside sh will work? | 18:16 |
| Estel_ | need to test it | 18:16 |
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| Estel_ | hey, I got idea why it may be not working | 18:22 |
| Estel_ | I got my config in /home/user/.xbindkeysrc | 18:23 |
| Estel_ | it expect it there | 18:23 |
| Estel_ | but, when run as root, it expect it in /root/.xbindkeysrc | 18:23 |
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| Estel_ | which doesn't exist | 18:23 |
| Estel_ | maybe things started via event.d got root bits? | 18:23 |
| Estel_ | but, debbie <whatever> works, and when run as root it complains, normally... | 18:24 |
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| freemangordon | Estel_, well, try it with su | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nonsense, processes started via init.d/* have no home at all | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and no real user in that sense | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | they got root *permissions* | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but no root-user environment | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | neither $PATH nor $HOME nor anything else associated to *real* users | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah, and event.d is all the same like init.d in that regard | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 18:37 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer51 | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | particularly about running X-session stuff from init.d we had a lengthy discussion in this very chan iirc, some weeks ago. searchterm: xhost | 18:41 |
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| Estel_ | hm, true, copying config to /root/.xbindkeysrc doesn't help | 18:45 |
| Estel_ | wrapping inside sh script too. | 18:45 |
| Estel_ | just can't make it to work, despite it should. | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: wrapping imto anyrhing won't help. Use proper fully qualified pathnames for *all* commands and files | 19:24 |
| Estel_ | did that already :( | 19:25 |
| Estel_ | it "seems" to work, i.e. exit with proper code | 19:25 |
| Estel_ | yet it doesn't seem to be running | 19:25 |
| Estel_ | if I start it by hand/script/whatever, but not from event.d it works | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then you still got the problem that this preocess is no child of xserver | 19:25 |
| Estel_ | much more complicated things like debbie (.sh script to start debian chroot) works well, though | 19:26 |
| Estel_ | hm... any way to fix it? why iot isn't child of xserver, when other things are? | 19:26 |
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| Estel_ | and, I've even tried running it via osso-xterm "xbindkeys" | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | check chanlogs for "xhost" | 19:27 |
| ioan | hi. did any of you switch from n900 some kind of android phone and liked it? | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there are for sure better ways than xhost | 19:27 |
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| Estel_ | ok, will try it | 19:32 |
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| Estel_ | ioan, I got NON-pleasure for setting up android phone for family member | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | installing cyanogenmod and such things | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | Nevermore! | 19:32 |
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| Estel_ | ~seen SD69 | 20:28 |
| infobot | sd69 <ae64f0d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.100.240.216> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 33d 2h 45m 2s ago, saying: 'any thoughts on cOBS from cssu pov?'. | 20:28 |
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| infobot | ivgalvez <598c718a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.140.113.138> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 3d 3h 23m 59s ago, saying: 'sorry, we are polluting this room'. | 20:28 |
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| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 1d 7h 54m 36s, last said: 'Maemo Council election results: http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=20'. | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the 'syntax' is: <nick>: ping | 21:33 |
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| Pali | ping freemangordon | 22:24 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, bq2415x charger driver working fine | 22:30 |
| Pali | I published all patches to kernel-power garage git | 22:30 |
| Pali | and deb packages are here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/bq2415x/ | 22:31 |
| Pali | I created new patch for hostmode which export sysfs entry: /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/hostdevice | 22:31 |
| Pali | it contains speed of attached usb device after boost | 22:32 |
| Pali | so user space script can: choose some speed, enable boost, check hostdevice if correct | 22:32 |
| Pali | and do not depends on some output from dmesg | 22:33 |
| Pali | and when that sysfs file is changes, kernel call sysfs_notify so userspace apps can call poll or select | 22:34 |
| Pali | also some info about charging and hostmode is on: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bq2415x.html | 22:35 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, see ^^^ | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: cool, will check later | 23:14 |
| Pali | ok, note that charger autodetection working fine | 23:14 |
| Sicelo | hmm, looks like i missed out on some good info here | 23:16 |
| * Sicelo turns to the logs | 23:16 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, charger detection is simple. The real problem kicks in with hostmode and VBUS applied or generated | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the "generated VBUS" part that's easy when the module itself is creating vboost | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | for charging hostmode it will be more problem | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | as checking for fastcharger spoils any peripheral negotiating ENUM etc over VBUS, and both events happen concurrently when you apply VBUS externally | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as USB host you *must* pulldown bith D-lines by 12k | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | for detecting D+. short you *need* to pullup one D-line | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | pullup of any of the D-lines however is a signal for USB host that peripheral has been attached, and depending on which line gets pulled up, it's a signal for lowspeed or fullspeed | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hat's why hostmode kernel patches had a kprintf("some asshole calling charger-detect() while we are in hostmode") | 23:27 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, I do not have Y cable for testing now (and I do not have much time for experiments now), but if somebody other has time for testing... | 23:28 |
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| Pali | but autodetection is disabled when you enter to host mode | 23:29 |
| Pali | so I think it should work | 23:29 |
| Sicelo | Pali: \m/ | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:29 |
| Pali | (of cource if somebody do not cat /sys/.../musb/connect) | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | abyway my lenovo psu is DOA, and I'm possed and off for dinner and booze now | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway* and pissed* | 23:31 |
| Pali | at least, we need to create new hostmode script which will use bq2415x driver | 23:31 |
| Pali | and also /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/hostdevice | 23:31 |
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| Macer | watching indiana jones at the last crusade | 23:31 |
| Macer | back in the day when people would mail stuff in brown paper | 23:31 |
| Macer | they always do the red line thing don't they? | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HELL | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | plugging in a charger w/o D+-short causes: | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | 22:39 3734 31 31 -13 357 357 357 65535 1538 28 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DIScharge jumps from 13mA to 144mA | 23:41 |
| Pali | it is with or without my patches? | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | stock kernel | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:45:41 IroN900 ke_recv[1927]: prop_modified:1901: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_musb_hdrc modified usb_device.vbus | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:45:41 IroN900 systemui-tklock[1298]: Method call received from: :1.15, iface: com.nokia.system_ui.request, method: tklock_close | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:45:44 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .644196> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:45:44 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .645477> set_timeout(): Timeout 27 s event type:-1 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 22:45 3612 30 30 -116 349 349 349 65535 180 29 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:45:52 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .633515> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:45:52 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .634766> set_timeout(): Timeout 19 s event type:-1 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 22:45 3631 30 30 -115 349 349 349 65535 182 29 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:05 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .552613> incoming_cell_broadcast(): Incoming cell broadcast | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:07 IroN900 ke_recv[1927]: prop_modified:1901: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_musb_hdrc modified usb_device.vbus | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:07 IroN900 browser[2264]: GLIB CRITICAL ** hildon-1 - hildon_window_get_is_topmost: assertion `HILDON_IS_WINDOW (self)' failed | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 22:46 3628 30 30 -97 348 348 348 65535 215 29 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:09 IroN900 kernel: [102216.049560] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:09 IroN900 systemui-tklock[1298]: Method call received from: :1.15, iface: com.nokia.system_ui.request, method: tklock_open | 23:48 |
| Estel_ | well, it seems stock ekrnel is not compatible. | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:10 IroN900 kernel: [102216.361877] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:11 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .644165> isiclient_sms_timeout(): Request TIMEOUT | 23:48 |
| Estel_ | kernel* | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:34 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .515076> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:34 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .517578> set_timeout(): Timeout 3577 s event type:-1 | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:43 IroN900 ke_recv[1927]: prop_modified:1901: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_musb_hdrc modified usb_device.vbus | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:43 IroN900 systemui-tklock[1298]: Method call received from: :1.15, iface: com.nokia.system_ui.request, method: tklock_close | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 22:46 3591 30 30 -110 347 347 347 65535 189 29 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:50 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .041504> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:46:50 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .042755> set_timeout(): Timeout 3561 s event type:-1 | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | May 25 22:47:05 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .813050> incoming_cell_broadcast(): Incoming cell broadcast | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OUCH | 23:48 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, feel all right? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn, could someone kick me? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | c+p error | 23:49 |
| * Vib3 kicks DocScrutinizer51 | 23:49 | |
| Estel_ | I see | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I immediately closed client | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | didn't help | 23:49 |
| Estel_ | ah... Nothing faster than a kick, when You require it. Faster than any support :P | 23:49 |
| Estel_ | well, it seems stock kernel is not compatible. When I connect duymb charger without D=D- shorted, nothing like that happen. | 23:50 |
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| Estel_ | damn! | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | I'm disassembling one's N900 screen | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | and one of screws is... well, screwed | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | everything just turns around inside screw | 23:51 |
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| Estel_ | and those screen screws aree *really* tight | 23:51 |
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| Estel_ | no idea how to unscrew it | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why service manual says "discard, do NOT reuse" | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | screw's point for screwdriver (how it's called in english?) is totally out. | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | yea, I know | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | unfortunately, it was this way already | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | my screws looks like new even after 5 or 6 re-screwing :P | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | well N900's screw cost probably less than 1 cent, but shipping... | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | anyway, any idea how to unscrew this bastard? | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | would just torn it out, if it wouldn't be inside screen | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | drill it out, with a left turn drill | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | drilling is a no-go :P | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | hm | 23:54 |
| Estel_ | maybe I should solder something to this screw? although, solder is too weak... | 23:54 |
| Estel_ | and hard-soldering is a no-go too :P | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 23:54 |
| Estel_ | a drop of metal-eater acid, and ceramic screwdriver... :P | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you *might* try to glue a scredriver into the screw, but odds are you'll glue the screw to body of device, and usually the screwdriver won't stick enough to get the srew out | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so drilling or brute force are your only options | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/171188/ was the shit I planned to paste btw | 23:57 |
| Estel_ | yea, drilling something so close to screw is going to be fun thing to do | 23:57 |
| Estel_ | looks like charging @ 100 mA and disabling it repeatedly | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I really really wonder why my multiline edit requester didn't pop up on this monster paste | 23:58 |
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| Estel_ | May 25 22:45:41 IroN900 systemui-tklock[1298]: Method call received from: :1.15, iface: com.nokia.system_ui.request, method: tklock_close | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | May 25 22:45:44 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .644196> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0 | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | May 25 22:45:44 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .645477> set_timeout(): Timeout 27 s event type:-1 | 23:59 |
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| Estel_ | May 25 22:45:52 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .633515> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0 | 23:59 |
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| Estel_ | May 25 22:46:05 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .552613> incoming_cell_broadcast(): Incoming cell broadcast | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: each time the charge current jumps up, I plugged in charger | 23:59 |
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| Estel_ | May 25 22:46:09 IroN900 kernel: [102216.049560] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed | 23:59 |
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| Estel_ | May 25 22:46:09 IroN900 systemui-tklock[1298]: Method call received from: :1.15, iface: com.nokia.system_ui.request, method: tklock_open | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | May 25 22:46:10 IroN900 kernel: [102216.361877] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | May 25 22:46:11 IroN900 cellular: csd[797]: ISI_SMS .644165> isiclient_sms_timeout(): Request TIMEOUT | 23:59 |
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| Estel_ | ouh | 23:59 |
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