IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-05-18

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MohammadAGchem|st, mind killing ?01:33
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chem|stMohammadAG: She's dead Jim02:01
MohammadAGthanks chem|st :P02:03
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DocScrutinizermeh, I missed it02:04
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DocScrutinizerooh no. Just closed02:06
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  ping04:54
DocScrutinizerEstel_: hm?04:54
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Estel_Is there a way to automaticaly disable messages marked as *buffextras in znc, DocScrutinizer?04:58
Estel_(I warned You I'll be back with questions :P )04:58
Estel_I find myself, most of the time, scrolling through 80% of useless info about who joined or changed name, for 20% of actual talking04:59
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DocScrutinizerI've necer seen those msgs04:59
Estel_hm, during playback, it makes *bufextras as a "nick" for "channel" messages04:59
Estel_who joined, who left etc04:59
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Estel_btw it's good news that You don't see it, it mean, that it's disableable ;)05:00
DocScrutinizerin each IRC client there's a way to set "hide join/nick/part" or "/ignore * -j" or whatever05:00
Estel_searching for buffextras now05:00
Estel_ok will try to find it in xchat05:00
DocScrutinizerin (n900)xchat it's in context menu of channel tabs05:01
Estel_I though that - if possible - it may be better idea to filter them out from buffer at all, thus they're not eating space from 5000 lines allowedd + space on proxy05:01
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DocScrutinizerand not eating bandwidth, yeah. But it's not possible by default. And I think the cient needs the msgs, to keep userlists up to date05:02
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Estel_(m, I see05:03
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure the buffered join/part/nickchange msgs will get filtered like the "online" ones05:03
Estel_thanks a lot for hidw join/part, though :) still sees "is now known as",, but still less mess05:03
Estel_it seems that not05:04
Estel_as buffextras is fake-user05:04
DocScrutinizerso ignore that user ;-)05:04
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Estel_so how do You managed to "not see them"05:04
Estel_simple as that05:04
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Estel_thanks a lot05:05
LaoLang_coo_hello, where can I see the changlog of maemo offical release?05:05
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DocScrutinizerEstel_: yw05:05
Estel_PR1.3, or, by any chance, You mean *not* official CSSU?05:06
DocScrutinizermaemo official doesn't sound like CSSU05:06
* Estel_ nods05:07
Estel_yet, people seem to name things in a wrong way ;)05:07
DocScrutinizertbh I have no idea if and where such changelogs might be05:07
Estel_PR1.3? somewhere in wiki05:07
Estel_but it's just basic05:07
Estel_no details, no commits05:07
Estel_more like marketting bubblebabble05:07
Estel_improved this, improved that05:08
Estel_erm, while adding mask to ignore, it wants me to type user@host.name05:09
Estel_should I use proxy hostname?05:09
Estel_or there is a way to block user globally with less hassle?05:09
Estel_use ALL or what?05:09
DocScrutinizeror ALL05:09
Estel_ok, thanks05:09
Estel_last thing05:10
Estel_this fake user got05:10
DocScrutinizeraah wait, ALL etc is for selecting type of msg05:10
Estel_*buffextras name05:10
Estel_how to make it recognize * as part of name not wildcard?05:10
DocScrutinizerhmm, good question05:10
DocScrutinizermaybe * works as wildcard for *05:10
Estel_it's a pity that I can't just right-click "him" and select "add to ignored list" :P05:10
DocScrutinizerwhy you can't?05:11
Estel_nothing happens (in xchat)05:11
Estel_maybe because hes not in user list?05:11
Estel_btw it's funny05:12
Estel_when I right click Your name, menu opens05:12
DocScrutinizerno, you need to do that in userlist05:12
Estel_but there is no /ignore05:12
Estel_add to friend list etc05:12
Estel_negative, *buffextras isn't in user list05:12
Estel_thought about that already :P05:12
Estel_and for user via right click I can do channel op things or friend but no ignore lol05:13
Estel_ZNC wiki saays buffextras is a module05:14
LaoLang_coo_DocScrutinizer, yes, you got what I want :)05:14
Estel_that adds those useless message05:14
Estel_so, kicking this module out of my config should disable it on proxy05:15
Estel_= not eating bandwidth etc05:15
DocScrutinizer51I think you can kick modules in *status05:15
Estel_I see05:15
DocScrutinizertell me if it works05:17
Estel_it seems yes, but is it persistent through reboots etc?05:19
Estel_or even reconnects?05:19
Estel_I mean if it wouldn't be better to kick it from config file. If not, it's fine too :)05:20
DocScrutinizerI think it updates config file05:21
DocScrutinizeras it does with channels you joined05:22
DocScrutinizerlemme look05:22
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DocScrutinizerhmm, still there05:24
DocScrutinizerI commented simple_away and buffextras, going to reload config05:26
DocScrutinizerEstel_: OK?05:29
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  of course05:34
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  are You still there? and, do You ever sleep?06:22
DocScrutinizersleep is useless06:22
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DocScrutinizerEstel_: what's up?06:24
Estel_;) could we do small test06:25
Estel_I'll disconnect, and You'll check if I've been marked away06:25
Estel_and write some test things06:25
Estel_then, I'll reonnect and see if buffer still works as it should06:25
DocScrutinizerI don't think you'll get marked away06:25
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Estel_cause You've kicked out simple_away? :P06:26
Estel_before, I was marked away on disconnect from proxy06:26
Estel_erm, and simple away had something to do with messages? why You thought its good to disable it?06:26
DocScrutinizerwell, I can uncomment it06:26
DocScrutinizerin 30s06:26
Estel_after connecting, I got buffer message about estel being marked away06:27
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Estel_and after connecting that "You're no longer marked away"06:27
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Estel_so I suppose it worked06:27
Estel_ok, so please uncomment it, then we'll perform test... Thanks in advance06:27
DocScrutinizerdone :-D06:28
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DocScrutinizeryou should've seen a "*rehash finished"06:29
DocScrutinizerhope you're offline meanwhile ;-D06:29
Estel_:) not yet06:31
Estel_and no rehash message06:31
Estel_Catorise blocked my device for a while06:31
DocScrutinizerumm, so maybe only operator account gets that msg06:31
Estel_ok, I'm re connecting after 15 second, write something in meantime pls06:31
DocScrutinizer15 sec from when?06:32
DocScrutinizeryou're funny06:32
DocScrutinizer15 sec is short time06:32
DocScrutinizerand I think ZNC won't notice you disconnecting, only if ping timeouts or TCP timeouts happen06:33
DocScrutinizeraah, you're marked away06:34
DocScrutinizerEstel_: ?06:34
DocScrutinizerlooks good06:35
DocScrutinizerlong 15 seconds ;-P06:37
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DocScrutinizerextremely long 15 seconds07:02
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eddybso I got a N900, and I love it07:08
eddybbut as anything else in the world, it's not perfect07:08
befordit is perfect07:08
eddybI looked for chromium, but I only get results from 2010, there's nothing new07:08
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eddybso, is there no recent chromium build?07:14
befordI remember reading something about it on the forums, somehow it was required to be removed from the repo. No idea why07:15
eddybI need a decent browser07:21
eddybI tried Tear, it's JS engine is too old07:21
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beford*maybe* with easy debian you can get a recent browser?07:25
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befordyes, I suppose its a bit overkill to run a debian system just for a browser but well07:28
eddybpffft, it's ok07:29
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eddybguess I'll play with Cleven some more :)07:31
DocScrutinizerhonestly what's wrong with microB?07:32
pronto|s1rverits made from potatoes07:34
* DocScrutinizer loves potatoes07:35
DocScrutinizerI haven't used Opera since at least 6 months07:36
DocScrutinizerchromium, in a easydeb? Dang there must be sth terribly odd with microB07:37
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  sorry for awesomely extremely long 15 seconds :P08:01
Estel_my son just awakened, and I got to feed him etc08:01
Estel_then my connection ceased to work :P08:01
Estel_everything works great. I get messages that I'm interested in and I got properly set "away" mark08:02
Estel_tahnk You for another bit of help and hosting to use this wonderful tool :)08:02
Estel_as for microB, for me, biggest issue is lack of tabs - opening plenthora of windows is annoying08:03
Estel_lack of "forward" as addition to back08:03
Estel_and biggest issue - lack of spell checking08:03
Estel_it's very important for someone who write in many languages @ forums etc, and using LibreOffice (on device) for this everytime is suboptimal08:04
Estel_for everything else, microB roxx, especially speed08:04
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Estel_BTW Chromium is working very well via ED, and I use it daily to write on TMO08:05
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Estel_it's generally very fast, even with 20+ tabs opened - if one use ED on dedicated partition, swap on microSD and tuned swap settings (*not* as proposed in swapollube, those settings are depreciated)08:06
Estel_OK, I'm away for now, need to care care about kids :) see ya08:07
DocScrutinizer51forward in microB isn't that hard to do. swipe from right, tap righthand next page in history08:08
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  (microb) true, forget about it. Still, tabs and spell check (or, generally, easy inclusion of extensions) is a problem for me when doing "serious" asks via web frontend ;)09:36
Estel_for general browsing, microB kicks ass09:36
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Estel_BTW - again, as everyone know already ;) We have Council election running. I'm glad to talk with anyone interested and/or answer questions, as a candidate09:37
Estel_for a hour or two from now on. Of course, You may ping me also when I'm away - I'll answer when present09:37
Estel_hi there09:37
Venemo_N950so, I hear Nokia wants to give us N9s?09:38
Estel_+ please include my nick when pinging me after a silent while09:38
Estel_yep. N950 to09:38
Estel_100 total09:38
Estel_40 N95009:38
Estel_last batch that is known to exist, as per Qgil09:38
Venemo_N950I already have one, and am not that greedy09:38
Venemo_N950but an N9'd be nice to have09:39
Estel_it's good, cause someone who received one already can't apply for next in most categories09:39
Venemo_N950so, can I apply for an N9 somehow?09:39
Estel_I think that someone owning N950 should  still be able to get N9 is did something worth such recognition09:39
Estel_there are 4 categories09:39
Estel_Community Aawards (Maemo)09:40
Estel_25 devices total in each category09:40
Estel_for pats deeds09:40
Estel_Coding Competition09:40
Venemo_N950maybe I should've paid more attention to my Harmattan app dev efforts lately?09:40
Estel_see it's thread on TMO, I think You can grasp N9 here09:40
Estel_not exactly.09:40
Estel_I'm trying my best to convince CC staff to recognize multiplatform programs09:41
Venemo_N950well, I still owe some apps to the community that I've never released09:41
Estel_i.e. the more compatigble with both Maemo and Harmattan, the better09:41
Estel_if also compatible with Mer, it's paradise09:41
Venemo_N950awesome idea! :)09:41
Estel_we're going to have OBS for all targets soon, so it's good practice to do multiplatform09:41
Estel_as soon it will be even more easy to do09:42
Sc0rpiusthat sounds interesting09:42
Sc0rpiusmain Mer development is in Qt right?09:42
Estel_*if* code is good enough, doing it for different platforms may be as easy as choosing different target in OBS09:42
Venemo_N950Sc0rpius, yep, that too09:42
Estel_here we go for 3th category09:42
Sc0rpiusQt is great I love it09:42
Estel_here qgil is managing it09:42
Estel_4th category is qt 5 experimental, so it's almost not related to at all09:43
Sc0rpiusI wonder if Mer is installable in any device09:43
Estel_of course it is09:43
Sc0rpiuswhich one09:43
Estel_N900 from top of my head09:43
Venemo_N950Mer runs on all N9(x0) devices09:43
Estel_+ some android tablets09:43
Sc0rpiusI haven't ever heard of anyone using an N900 with Mer09:43
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Estel_of course You have.09:44
Estel_Mer is a core09:44
Sc0rpiusand is it usable? I mean can you dial a phone number and receive SMS ?09:44
Venemo_N950Sc0rpius, ask on #mer09:44
Estel_then, You need User Interface on top of it09:44
Estel_Nemo is open UI for Mer09:44
Venemo_N950Sc0rpius, methinks yes09:44
Sc0rpiusTizen should embrace Qt09:44
Estel_so ikf You've heard about someone using Nemo, You've heard about someone using Mer09:44
Estel_Maybe it will, but IMO tizen is shit09:44
Venemo_N950well anyway. whatever :)09:45
Estel_only use of it is that we *may*be able to put mer on decent devices released with tizen09:45
Estel_i.e. delete tizen totally and gain device with 1GB of RAM ;)09:45
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Sc0rpiusNemo/Mer sounds great09:45
Venemo_N950Estel_, N9(50) already has 1gb ram09:45
Sc0rpiusI didn't know about it09:45
Estel_but it isnt produced09:45
Venemo_N950Sc0rpius, also, they're totally open09:46
Estel_N9 is also discounted in finland09:46
Sc0rpiusI guess I could do dual boot (with an N900) to test Mer09:46
Estel_yes. Nemo isn't "stable" though09:46
Venemo_N950Estel_, I was thinking of buying a discounted N909:46
Estel_Mer too, but Mer is more "ready" than Nemo09:46
Estel_Vemeo, for me lack of microSD card slot, keyboard, and capacitive screen is a no-go09:46
Estel_especially for that price09:47
Venemo_N950that's what I thought09:47
Estel_+ build-in battery...09:47
Estel_damn monoblock09:47
Venemo_N950until the N950 hijacked me09:47
Venemo_N950i would never touch a resistive screen agaim09:47
Estel_N900 sill flies circles around N9/N950, honestly09:47
freemangordonI still cannot get it why FMTX is not implemented.09:47
Estel_freemangordon,  same here09:48
Estel_I forget about it09:48
Estel_Venemo, try using easy debian on Your capacitive09:48
freemangordonthat is the major stopper for me to even think to replace my N900 as a primary device09:48
Venemo_N950freemangordon, because the chip isn't wired to an antenna09:48
eddybwhy can't we get the N950 :((?09:48
Estel_or drawing like mypaint09:48
Estel_god, I hate capacitive screens09:48
Sc0rpiusbecause the FM transmitter???09:48
Estel_so much09:48
Sc0rpiuswho uses that? :09:48
freemangordonVenemo_N950, yes, but why?09:48
Venemo_N950Estel_, neither are my use cases09:48
freemangordonSc0rpius, me09:48
Sc0rpiuswhat for09:48
Estel_Sc0rpius,  me too09:48
Venemo_N950freemangordon, because they were stupid?09:48
Sc0rpiusyou get better sound using the headphones jack.09:49
Estel_freemangordon, out of curiosity - what stops You now from including 720p recording inside CSSU?09:49
freemangordonSc0rpius, I have 2 cars to (one personal and one corporate), plus my GF has a car too. That is the easiest way for me to listen to y music wherever I am09:49
Estel_Sc0rpius,  are You kidding me? It's not related09:50
Sc0rpiusmost cars nowadays have receivers with a 3.5 mm input jack on the front09:50
Sc0rpius(and  USB ports too)09:50
Estel_Sc0rpius,  not true, + it needs cables09:50
freemangordonwell, seems I am old-fashioned09:50
Sc0rpiusjust one single cable09:50
Estel_+ what's more joyful than disabling those nasty, shitty music in pizza bar09:50
Sc0rpiuswell it's that the FM band here is BLOATED you can't find any empty space so it always sounds bad09:50
freemangordonnot, thats uncomfortable09:50
freemangordonSc0rpius, here in Sofia there are two almost free freqs, so it works ok09:51
Estel_honestly, with little antenna modification, my N900is able to *replace* FM station with almost no quality loss - of course, locally.09:51
Sc0rpiusbut anyway I have a really tiny Sandisk Cruzer Fit USB drive (those that are really tiny) with my music and that works in any car09:51
Sc0rpiusit's better than waste phone battery which I believe is the most precious thing of the world09:52
Estel_seriously though, fmtx is so cheap and easy to implement by manufacturer09:52
Estel_Sc0rpius,  fear no more09:52
Estel_I'm working on 6000 mAh battery for N90009:52
Estel_with almost no more thickness than mugen cover09:52
Sc0rpiusbut that will make it way heavier than it already is :(09:52
Estel_and I'm serious :P09:52
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Estel_frankly, with bigger cover like mugen size I feel it much more comfortable to write09:53
Venemo_N950Estel_, I'd suffice with far less if you managed to fit into the default cover09:53
Estel_into deefault cover You may put only 150009:53
Estel_but bigger cover is better in every aspect in real life09:53
Venemo_N950not for me09:54
JaffaDocScrutinizer51: belated non-travelling pong09:54
Estel_got place for nice tripod mounting point = finally can use those RAW images capabilities09:54
Estel_writing is ungodly fine09:54
Estel_You can fit slot for regular sized SD card09:54
Estel_I feel strange holding regular size N900 now09:54
freemangordonEstel_, how do you think, is it possible to HW mod n950, to conect the anthenna to fmtx chip?09:55
Venemo_N950freemangordon, forget it09:55
Estel_No idea, as I haven't checked schematics. If it's done godly way, it should be fair easy09:55
Estel_but, make it straight - there IS fmtx but NOT connected = non working?09:55
freemangordonVenemo_N950, why?09:55
freemangordonis it BGA with floating pin?09:56
Estel_so why it's sitting there at all: 0_o they've put it there because they had too many parts in storage?09:56
Estel_maybe it is connected "somewhere"09:57
freemangordonEstel_, it is a part of multifunc chip09:57
Estel_I see, but having it there, they haven't connectedd it? seriously?09:57
* Sc0rpius is still thinking about Nemo mobile09:57
Estel_even implied facepalm is too low here09:57
Estel_erm, if it's bga and isn't connected to even dead-end path on PCB, we can forget about it09:58
Estel_it would be like adding more ram to N900 ;)09:58
freemangordonSc0rpius, ubuntu 12.04 with lxde goes circles around Nemo, I am speechless09:58
Estel_but, N900 got hirose  connectors, maybe they did something like that09:58
Estel_or at least unsoldered pad09:59
Estel_freemangordon,  You said it's almost ready for daily use?09:59
* Sc0rpius is a XFCE guy09:59
Estel_someone tried Lubuntu an d it's reportedly very fast09:59
Estel_720p "patch" (don"t vomit hearing "patch)09:59
freemangordonSc0rpius, does not matter, you just have to remove that piece of crap called unity :)09:59
Estel_freemangordon,  explain something to this noob like myself10:00
Sc0rpiusthat's the first thing you have to do to have a usable SO10:00
Estel_why using bloated ubuntu, instead of arch linux or debian itself?10:00
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Estel_kernel related thing or what?10:00
Sc0rpiusit's easier and better supported10:00
freemangordonand is is really fast, I don't know why, but firefox under ubuntu is 3-4 times faster that firefox under maemo (comparing to the last time i tested it)10:01
Estel_why 12.04 is so unique that it fits10:01
Sc0rpiusI think Debian is getting forgotten (like Slackware and Gentoo) and will disappear.10:01
Estel_not true.10:01
Estel_and who said gentoo is forgotten, lol10:01
Estel_as for Debian10:01
freemangordonbut we are talking about n90010:01
Estel_it already lived longer than Debora and Ian marriage, so it will probably be here forever10:01
Estel_so, why 12.04 buntu is ok10:02
Estel_and archilinux that should be faster and AFAIK was also run succesfuly on N900 is not?10:02
Estel_I just wonder what is so special in 12.04 Ubuntu, if it needs removing bloat, instead of using same kernel but for example arch linux10:02
freemangordonbecause uuntu has the same 12.04 with latest greatest shiny stuff as for desktop. And we all expect a mobile with ubuntu on it10:03
Estel_I'm sure there is reason, thats why I'm asking10:03
Estel_I see, but the first part of sentence isn't also valid for arch linux?10:03
Estel_and why the hell ubuntu on mobile?10:03
freemangordoncould be, never tried it10:03
Estel_ubuntu is almost synonym for bloat here - maybe I'm wrong.10:04
Sc0rpiusnot very wrong.10:04
Sc0rpiusit's been bloated lately10:04
Estel_why the hell not Debian on mobile?10:04
freemangordonEstel_, it is unity desktop and gnome 3 that is a synonym for bloatware10:04
freemangordonbecause noone will do it10:04
Estel_but still, isn't ubuntu dumbed down compared to Debian?10:05
Sc0rpiusI still liku Ubuntu more than Debian10:05
freemangordoncould be10:05
Estel_but is it psychological, or some hardware/kernel thing?10:05
freemangordonnever tried debian on n900 besides chroot10:05
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Estel_well, I suppose that Debian with lxde would be faster than ubuntu with lxde but I may be wrong10:06
Sc0rpiusI think it would be the same10:06
freemangordonthere should be no difference10:06
Estel_now, arch linux with lxde or what should be even less bloated, and I heard that hardwarea acceleration worked fine10:06
Estel_I see.10:06
Estel_BTW, while I'm all for runing desktop systems on N900 or mobile at all10:06
Estel_I think on the longer run, Mer will be more feasible choice10:07
freemangordonit is unity desktop that bring even my 4 phenom cores desktop on it knees10:07
Estel_it's always PITA to adapt desktop systems for Mobile daily use10:07
Sc0rpiusI'm all for running something else than Maemo but mobile oriented (Tizen, Mer or whatever that works and it's new, I feel my N900 is old :(  )10:07
freemangordonwell, joking, but still10:07
freemangordonSc0rpius, maemo is old compared to what?10:07
Estel_Sc0rpius,  I would not mind device with 1GB of RAM and Maemo 5 on it :)10:08
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Estel_I feel tizen is old before it's born10:08
Sc0rpiusto the competition: Android, iOS, etc10:08
Estel_android, dont remind me that shit10:08
Sc0rpiusfor example I wanta  newer browser (microB)10:08
Sc0rpiuswant a10:08
Estel_lost 3 days brining it to usable state even with help of cyanogen10:08
Sc0rpiusI want a new email client10:08
Estel_and still it was shitload to do anything with it10:08
Estel_I persuaded family to sell their androids and buy N90010:09
Sc0rpiusand I don't want to code it all myself10:09
Sc0rpiusI want to code some, but not all10:09
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freemangordona friend of mine lost an hour trying to gather all my contacts in one place, with no success10:09
Estel_well, buy windows phone10:09
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freemangordonthat's desire something10:09
Estel_they ensure that You *won't* code anything yourelf10:09
Sc0rpiusI like to code my own stuff, that's part of the fun of having a cell phone10:09
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Estel_well, IMO FOSS mean that *someone* must code it10:10
Estel_it won't code on it's own... hopefuly?10:10
freemangordongtg guys, bb10:10
Sc0rpiuscya freemangordon10:10
Estel_see ya freemangordon10:10
Sc0rpiusanyway with Mer a door opens10:10
Sc0rpiusan opportunity to have a new browser10:10
Sc0rpiuswith full HTML5 for example10:11
Sc0rpiusan opportunity to have a decent email client10:11
Estel_comparing Mer to have a new browser only sounds funny10:11
Sc0rpiusthat's what I want10:11
Venemo_N950Mer is awesome, believe me10:11
Sc0rpiushehehe I know I'm being simplist10:11
SiceloEstel_: i have debian with xfce on my n90010:11
Venemo_N950only thing it needs is a decent ui10:11
Estel_well, I want much moe than that ;)10:11
Estel_Sicelo, hm? not chroot?10:11
Siceloof course not :P10:11
Estel_and what about hardware acceleration, hardware parts etc?10:11
Sc0rpiusand what about a phone call :S10:12
Sicelosame as ubuntu, lol10:12
Estel_so what doesn't work compared to Maemo?10:12
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maian1107buon Di a tt10:13
Siceloi'm using nemo's kernel .. most things (that i care about) work. i just wish there was a module for the radio chip :(10:14
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Sc0rpiuswhen weill we have the results of the elections?10:15
SiceloEstel_: that link shows what works when using Debian's upstream kernel.. with Nemo's kernel, you have a bit more of that hardware working10:15
Estel_I see10:16
Estel_damn, I remember they suceed in OpenGLES with arch linux, so it should also work with Debian?10:16
Estel_Sc0rpius,  after elections ends10:16
Estel_it end in 23th may10:17
Sc0rpiusoh ok10:17
Estel_Sicelo,  very interesting10:17
Estel_it's pity that there are no modules for making it 100% OS replacement, though :)10:17
Estel_And now You're irc'ing through it, or?10:18
Sicelopc.. i boot into Debian now and then. and gprs works10:18
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Sicelowhat i don't like about it so far is that i don't seem to be able to control power consumption.. screen on or off still draws at least 150mA10:20
Estel_I see10:20
Siceloperhaps those with ubuntu 12 could show us their consumption10:20
Estel_well, those are reasons why, on long run, mobile oriented yet fully open OS'es like Mer are better choice for handhelds10:20
Estel_it's a pita to reimplement wheel all over again10:21
Estel_if they would only go for .deb instead of rpm...10:21
Estel_it would make 3/4 of maemo repo working out of the box10:21
* Sicelo must still try Nemo ..need an SD card. 10:21
Estel_I wait until it maturates enough to be put on rootfs or emmc without kongo-bongo rituals10:22
Sicelobtw, u-boot is now able to use a root located in emmc without panics?10:22
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Sicelolast time i tried i nearly had to reflash maemo .. because i don't have an sd card, yet. so debian boots of an emmc partition10:23
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Venemo_N950hey again10:28
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Venemo_N950Estel_, do you know what color of N9s they'll be handing out?10:28
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Estel_Sicelo,  afaik U-boot moved much forward lately10:29
Estel_Yet I'm still not sure if it doesn't pose any regressions vs native or multiboot10:30
Sicelomy post asking about that was not answered10:30
Estel_Veggen,  no idea, haven't though about that :P10:30
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Venemo_N950Estel_, can you arrange for a white one for me?10:31
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Estel_I can't arrange anything ;)10:35
Estel_but if it would be up to me I would make them available in every color, if it's black.10:35
Sicelobtw, does unity suck on n900 too? i thought ubuntu marketed it as the perfect thing for mobile10:36
* Sicelo also wonders how 'bloated' KDE's Plasma Active is & how well it would work on N90010:37
Estel_unity suck indeed10:38
Siceloi've never used ubuntu so far .. but the screenshot on the ubuntu thread looks fine to me10:41
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eddybKDE > gCrap10:47
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eddyb and that's from August last year10:49
* dm8tbr can't be bothered with Krap either10:49
dm8tbrso people are trying recent ubuntu on the n900? I hope that there is something aside from the armHF version?10:50
Venemo_N950Estel_, black? :(10:50
Venemo_N950black is such a sad color.10:52
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Venemo_N950Sicelo, about your PA question. answer is _very_10:55
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freemangordondm8tbr, the Ubuntu we are trying on n900 is armHF-thumb2 compiled, OMAP3 image from Ubuntu site. Why should we need something aside?12:50
ShadowJKthumb neing broken on the omap3 revision in n900?13:05
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freemangordonShadowJK, not anymore, i.e. latest u-boot has a fix for setting IBE bit in ACR allowing errata 430973 workaround in kernel to do its job. Ubuntu is perfectly stable14:04
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freemangordonShadowJK, here
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DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: I beg to differ on your claim "we all expect a mobile with ubuntu on it"14:14
freemangordonDocScrutinizer: nah, you misunderstand me. What I was trying to say is "if there will be a mobile with a full linux distro on it, most probably it will be a mobile with ubuntu". Not that I am holding my breath :)14:17
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: your idea that you'd need a new OS on N900 to get new mail client, browser etc, isn't that a bit incoherent?14:20
MohammadAGwell, Nokia did that with WP7...14:21
freemangordonMohammadAG, hi :)14:21
freemangordonHow is your SB? :p14:22
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  it was Sc0rpius who wanted new os for new mail client :P14:29
Estel_anyway, I'm testing irc on 16 kbps connection14:30
DocScrutinizerooops, sorry Sicelo14:30
Estel_only one thing that is working, even mail get choked14:30
DocScrutinizerIRC working fine on a 300bd connection ;-)14:30
Estel_at least something resisted bloating at base protocol specification14:31
Estel_but, it's still sad that data plans use so msierable speed after limit14:31
Estel_it could be at least 56 kbps like old modem :P14:31
dm8tbrfreemangordon: my understanding is that there are at _least_ _two_ errata for that ARM IP core revision and the fixes are mutually exclusive. if you have knowledge how to work around all of them please share the source as other people would be interested in it too.14:32
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: I asked him for that as well14:32
freemangordondm8tbr, I am sure the first one is 430973 and I explained how it os workarounded just a few lines above.14:38
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freemangordonBut please tell me which is the second one you have in mind that affects n90014:38
freemangordonbecause AFAIK besides 430973 there are 2, not one errata affecting CortexA8 p0-p2 cores14:39
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, dm8tbr: another one is this and it is workarounded in binutils (as is visible).14:47
Estel_freemangordon,  do You think that, in future stage, it may become full replacement, or You expect it to be os with "always lacking funcionalities" compared to Maemo = to boot from time to time, instead of Easy Debian14:48
Estel_or even as addition to it14:48
DocScrutinizerEstel_: what's "it" in here?14:51
freemangordonand the third erratum I am aware of(and might affect thumb on n900) is 687067: BTB invalidate by MVA operations will not work when the IBE bit is set. Well, we never hit that as we are not using BTB invalidate by MVA to workaround 430973, but invalidate the whole BTB/BTAC.14:52
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, dm8tbr, my understanding is that by enabling errata 430973 workaround and using binutils with workaround for 657417 is enough to have abslutely stable thumb2 on n90014:55
freemangordonEstel_, sorry, I am on a different topic now :)14:56
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  ubuntu on N90014:57
Estel_freemangordon,  no problem, although I don't get what You mean14:57
Estel_= I don't care/wanna talk about it?14:58
freemangordonEstel_, I am discussing n900 and thumb2 in genereal, not Ubuntu14:58
Estel_I know14:59
Estel_my question was continuation of topic about ubuntu on n900. Well, kinda mental multitasking ;)14:59
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freemangordonEstel_: ok, but as there is a(long standing) dispute between me and some people here if it is posible to have stable thumb2 on n900, I would prefer to end that once and for all. Or to have proof that I am wrong(and stupid :) ).15:06
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DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: there's basically no dispute about whether it's possible, the dispute is about how to prove it's working15:14
DocScrutinizerWFM is no proof15:14
DocScrutinizerWFM*50 still isn't, given the nature of the errata15:14
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer,you want me to prove TI's statement?15:15
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DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: I explained to you already 5 times too often the proper way to do. You need a testbed that's reproducing the error, and on this testbed you apply your fix and show it's effective15:17
DocScrutinizerideally you trace the whole shit with gdb or whatever, and explain the observations made and what your fix is doing, how that shows up in trace and why it's generally valid and working15:18
DocScrutinizeror you refer to somebody else's work who already done this15:19
freemangordonyes, and the testbed is Ubuntu, being thumb2-compiled both kernel and userspace. Without IBE bit properly set (as in latest u-boot) and errata 430973 workaround enabled in kernel it crashes in a matter of seconds15:19
freemangordoncrashes as SIGILL, which is what happens when you try to execute thumb2 instruction in ARM context15:20
freemangordonwith the above stuff enabled, it works for hours without a single crash (until battery dies)15:21
DocScrutinizerwithout a evaluation considering each single erratum in a monitored bad and fixed run, it's still worthless, as it might just reduce probability of error happening, or even just fix one of the two errata15:21
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, which are those erratas you are reffering to?15:21
DocScrutinizerthe ones you're fixing15:22
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freemangordonso, you want me to prove that errata workarounds, one from TI and another from gurus developing binutils, do what their authors tell us?15:24
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, BTW i really would like to have a comments from someone besides you, like stskeeps or dm8tbr15:25
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: you're obviously not willing to listen15:26
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DocScrutinizer[2012-05-18 14:19:00] <DocScrutinizer> or you refer to somebody else's work who already done this15:26
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, the RX51 code in u-boot for enabling IBE bit is almost identical to the code used for BB. The same for the kernel15:31
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LaoLang_coo_I find that my N900's phone's signal is not good, is it normal?15:33
LaoLang_coo_When calling, I can't hear from others clearly sometimes15:34
freemangordonLaoLang_coo_, increase your volume15:34
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freemangordonwell, not yours but speakers volume15:35
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MacerFB hits 400 today?15:35
LaoLang_coo_freemangordon, yes, I've set it to the maximum15:35
MacerLaoLang_coo_: probably the sim reader going bad :-P15:36
freemangordonit could be a bad coverage as well15:36
dm8tbrI've seen thumb2 code run for hours and then suddenly explode. I'm not impressed and would rather see this confirmed by someone who understands this like koen or rcn-ee or mru15:36
LaoLang_coo_Macer, sim reader? maybe speaker does :)15:37
freemangordondm8tbr, where did you see and which code? Was it on n900 or on BB? And I agree this should be confirmed or not by someone who understands the matter, any contacts? IRC channel?15:38
dm8tbrfreemangordon: IIRC I discussed this with koen, rcn-ee and mru back then on #beagle and the bottom line was 'fixes are mutually exclusive, don't use thumb2 on old omap3 silicon'15:40
dm8tbrirclogs probably exist15:41
freemangordondm8tbr, and reading through those logs which you (or stskeeps) pointed me to the last time we dscussed that, lead me to believe, that might be you have made a little mistake re mutualy exclusive workarounds - we never hit 68706715:44
freemangordonnowhere in kernel is executed "BTB invalidate by MVA" instruction15:45
freemangordon430973 is workarounded by clearing the whole BTB/BTAC, not by address15:46
* dm8tbr does not understand the underlying details, so it would be better to discuss them wit someone who does15:47
freemangordonAnd I will appreciate if you give me some hand on finding those knowledgable ones15:47
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dm8tbrI pointed out three people and a channel15:48
freemangordonok, thanks15:49
dm8tbrIIRC mru even works for ARM nowadays15:49
freemangordongreat, will try to reach them on #beagle later15:50
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* merlin1991 wonders when the "community awards" from the device seeding activity are going to get rolling16:15
MohammadAGyou deserve one really16:17
freemangordonmerlin1991, when there is a new council16:17
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merlin1991MohammadAG: gotta love how you jump to conclusions :D16:18
freemangordonIt will be up to them to decide who deserves such, so think twice before voting :P16:18
merlin1991dang I should asked each concil member beforehand "would you give merlin1991 a n950 as a community award" ;)16:20
freemangordonyou already voted? damn, how could you do this before assuring your n950 :P16:21
MohammadAGN9 ftw16:21
Macerdoes N9 support att LTE?16:21
freemangordonMohammadAG, no, both N9 and N950, check on mailinglist and TMO threads16:22
Maceri wonder if the fail rates for N9s and N950s are just as high as an N90016:22
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MohammadAGfreemangordon, I know, I just think the N9's better at taking hits16:25
MohammadAGit's more sturdy16:25
MohammadAGsturdier even16:25
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Estel_N950 is better investment16:25
RST38hDoesn't "investment" mean you can buy it?16:26
merlin1991Estel_: if you get it for free it's no investment ;)16:26
Estel_first of all, non-monoblock construction = easier hardware mods16:26
Estel_2nd, qgil stated it will be owned now, now lend16:26
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Estel_not exactly16:26
Estel_considering low ammouint of N95016:26
RST38hN950 is more fragile and a scratch magnet16:26
MohammadAGJust get a drill and drill NOT FOR SALE on the N916:26
Estel_300 if I count correctly16:26
MohammadAG340 as of now16:26
Estel_I see16:27
MohammadAG342 if you count the 3 I got16:27
Estel_it's kinda collector device16:27
Estel_You can sell it after 10 years16:27
Estel_on auction, lol16:27
MohammadAGYou can't sell it16:27
Estel_this time, You can, not that I encourage doing so16:27
MohammadAGI don't recall the agreement saying Expires in 2021 :p16:27
merlin1991MohammadAG: qgill state that the ones of the current programm are going to be "owned"16:27
MohammadAGmerlin1991, then they're 40 :p16:27
merlin1991so ofc you can't sell yours, but the new lucky users might16:27
Estel_this time no lending16:27
Estel_even better.16:27
MohammadAGnanananana, no NOT FOR SALE on the back :p16:28
Estel_not to mention that I'm sure current "lend" will transfer to "own" too.16:28
MohammadAGkinda doubt it16:28
Estel_yesterday I purchased nice rare Tori Amos promo single16:28
MohammadAGnot that I care, I still have the 331016:28
Estel_with not for sale mark16:28
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Estel_anyway, I preffer N950 screen16:29
Estel_+ there was few other things that I don't recall16:29
Estel_removable battery for sure16:29
Estel_N9 got NFC which I don't care for16:29
Estel_and damn monoblock... and damn pentile screen, hate reading on them16:29
merlin1991dunno I love the N9 screen16:30
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Estel_gustas non discutante ;)16:30
merlin1991and nfc is nice (when I've finsihed my nfc-o-rama application)16:30
Estel_but technical disadvantages and advantages of pentile are known16:30
merlin1991but I just hate typing with the on screen keyboard on the console16:30
Estel_well, obvious con16:31
merlin1991and thats my #1 activity when I actually develop16:31
Estel_buy bluetooth one and slider16:31
Estel_You know what? I still preffer N900. Who invented such device as N9(50) witohut sd card slot?!16:31
MohammadAGis the Lumia 800 pentile?16:31
freemangordonwho cares16:31
Estel_MohammadAG,  yep.16:31
MohammadAGthen I don't care if it's pentile :p16:32
freemangordonn950 does not have sdcard slot? WTF?16:32
Estel_Who havent connected fmtx to antenna? :P16:32
MohammadAGfreemangordon, no16:32
Estel_freemangordon,  N9 also lack it16:32
freemangordonI was aware for N9, but N950?!?16:33
Estel_freemangordon,  You're limited to miserable... 16GB, right?16:33
freemangordonhmm, I am not, right now I have 48 and plan to buy 64 or 128 UHC16:33
freemangordonor whatever whas the signiture for those new cards16:34
Estel_ok, not exactly You16:34
Estel_I don't plan to do it due to miserable random I/O speeds on SDXC16:34
Estel_preffering to use class 4 sandisk 8GB16:34
Estel_and swap there16:34
Estel_yet I agree that 64 or 128 is great for storage16:34
freemangordonhmm sandisk 64 GB should be fast even for random access16:35
Estel_and they're so small, that You can keep backup one inside cover of size like mugen one16:35
Estel_any benchmarks? I've heard they're like class 6-10 tendency16:35
freemangordonthey have a special "mobile" edition, optimized for randowm writes AFAIK16:35
Estel_I.e. better sequential16:35
Estel_worse random16:35
Estel_I see.16:35
Estel_good to know16:35
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Estel_BTW N900 FTW, I'm currently moddong mugen cover to fit two 18650 = 6000 mAh of true capacity16:36
Estel_next thing I'll design it for my alum body replacement16:36
Estel_It doesn't make it much thicker than mugen cover16:36
Estel_just few milimeters.16:36
Estel_In times when most people need to charge device every night at best...16:37
Estel_it's going to be like perpetum mobile :P16:37
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Estel_You could fool  someone into thinking that it's reclaiming power from kinetic energy of moving16:37
Estel_No, seriously, my soldering iron is so horny waiting for 3000 mAh 18650's to arrive16:38
Estel_freemangordon,  btw are You going to apply for community awards N950?16:39
ArkanoiD_actually mugen cover is engineering and design disaster16:39
Estel_actually mugen cover is just first step, I plan to include slot for dual-18650 in full body replacement16:39
k273Estel_: I'm still waiting for that battery too here16:39
Estel_BTW I know, I've torn mugen cover apart to include camera slider16:39
RST38hI hope you are making this full body replacement out of mahogany16:40
Estel_ordered already?16:40
freemangordonEstel_, yes, I think to apply16:40
Estel_maho what? ;)16:40
Estel_good idea, I think.16:40
Estel_You're getting one for sure16:40
freemangordonwell, lets see16:40
Estel_:) I hope kp wont stall after that :P16:41
freemangordonnah, don't worry16:41
Estel_hey, there is chance that I'll be part of comitee that grant it16:41
Estel_could do little sabotage16:41
freemangordonyes, there is16:41
merlin1991hm bribing the judges sounds like a plan ;)16:42
freemangordonBTW the only way I can switch to anything but N900 as a praimary device is new device with FMTX16:42
freemangordonwhich is nowhere to be seen16:43
Estel_yea, imagine that "Year 2078, one of few remaining N950's sold by grandsom of famous hacker, "freemangordon" on auction for record sum of..."16:43
Estel_"N950, initially produced in quantity of only 340, by soon deceased legendary company Nokia..."16:43
Estel_"...Nokia, as a company that introduced first mobile phone in the mass market, got huge cult following, and become prime case of decision fail on economy Uni's since then"16:45
Estel_ok, ok16:45
Estel_time to go back into present (tense :P)16:45
merlin1991freemangordon: quick question kernel related, the iptables nat module, is there a switch for it in the kernel config?16:46
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Estel_merlin1991,  aren't You going to try gtting device in coding competition or what?16:51
Estel_freemangordon,  doesn't Your patches to phoneME have QT code inside?16:51
Estel_Community Awards category is going to have much more candidates than devices :/ While I'm sure You both deserve one, it eliminates other people, also deserving it. Nzot that it's Your fault, but I'm thinking if Your work shouldn't be recognized in different, less crowded area.16:52
Estel_You can always apply for both16:52
Estel_there is a rule to get only one N950 by same person, so16:52
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Estel_You don't lose anything, but gain possibility of getting device in less crowded category16:53
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Estel_it would be pity, if all qt-related awards would went to "unserious" joke apps, that are going to be left without further development just after receiving device.16:54
freemangordonEstel_, TBH i don't really care that much if I will get a device or not, after all if me, merlin1991, Pali and several other does not deserve those devices then I am ok, so be it.16:56
Estel_the thing is that You all deserve them ;)16:57
freemangordonAnd I am not going to "cheat" by applying to a less crowded category, just in case16:57
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Estel_I mean slightly different thing16:57
Estel_there are 10 N950 for community awards16:57
freemangordonI got it16:57
Estel_and 15 N916:57
Estel_I thyink that all those "QT" cateogires are...16:57
Estel_well, probably shouldn't say this as candidate, but I'm honest no matter what16:58
Estel_marketing bullshit16:58
freemangordonso what? if I am not in those 10 or those 25, so be it, really.16:58
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Estel_and considering, that there is total 20 N950 and 30 N9 for 2 QT cateogies, many of them are going to land in hand of random people16:58
Estel_not deserving it IMO16:59
Estel_on the other hand16:59
Estel_You Pali merlin ect are going to dominate community awards :P16:59
Estel_applying also in less crowded category and receiving device would free "slot" in community awards16:59
Estel_for other people too.16:59
Estel_eh, scratch that17:00
freemangordonI wouldn't leave all the projects I am involved and waste my time developing some shiny crap just for the idea17:00
Estel_explaining my twisted ideas is too much hassle :P17:00
Estel_I see17:00
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Estel_well, I rather though about submitting something that is work in progress just now, but, You're probably right17:00
Estel_I think I'm already thinking about hard decisions ;)17:01
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Estel_if it would depend on me I would give half of pool to Community Awards17:01
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Estel_after all it's first time we're going to have something like that17:01
freemangordonBTW DavyP is most probably eligable as a candidate for Qt categories, his frontend is all Qt17:01
Estel_coding competition is here every year17:02
Estel_we need to tell him about it, I'll do it.17:02
freemangordongood idea17:02
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Estel_btw are schematics for N950/N9 available just like for N900?17:09
Estel_someone already dissasembled N950 and did hi-res photos like DocScrutinizer with N900?17:09
Estel_I would like to trace the fmtx issue17:10
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Estel_hey, who from cssu team worked on tv applet?17:13
merlin1991mostly pali afaik17:14
Estel_I have some idea, that came to my mind ages ago, and I always forget to ask. It's related to N900 audio jack resistance meter, not tv out directly17:14
Estel_merlin1991,  maybe You know how it works exacdtly, not only Pali?17:14
Estel_IIUC, it's like resistance ~0 = headphones17:15
Estel_(between 4th pin and mass)17:15
Estel_resistance  infinite = microphone17:15
merlin1991hal abstracts that away for us17:15
Estel_reistance ~ 75 ohm = tv-out17:15
Estel_so, it's no way to get readings?17:15
Estel_I just wonder if it's possible to get exact value detected17:16
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merlin1991better ask pali17:16
merlin1991I only know the top level part :D17:16
Estel_it would allow us to write very simple program, that "mimics" one function of multimeter17:16
Estel_reistance meter :P17:17
Estel_thank, I'll catch him17:17
Estel_useful for testing broken connections etc. Require only simple add-on - modified cable from old headphones :P17:17
Estel_as a sense probes17:17
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Estel_would allow to test resistance, test broken connection (sound beeping when resistance less than 5 ohm) and testing diodes17:18
jaskause it to add a three-state input device!17:18
jaskaor can it measure arbitrary resistance?17:18
Estel_I think it can, thats why I'm asking17:18
Estel_but if hal hides it, it's at least possible to make beeping probe for "connect" (resistance close to 0)17:19
Estel_or not connected, or 75 ohm ;)17:19
Estel_still usefull for testing cables for breakage and diodes17:19
Estel_but of course, direct ohm values would be better17:20
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Estel_if it know 75 ohm reistance I bet it senses it abstract values in quite wide range17:20
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Estel_but hal may be hiding it, who knows. Need to ask pali17:20
Estel_anyway, supercool to probe elements via strange cable with jack @ one end connected to N90017:21
Estel_and two "nails" on opposite side17:21
Estel_like in multimeter17:21
Estel_well, a ohm meter that You always have with Yourself :P17:22
Estel_mcgyver would be envy17:22
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Estel_next step - mini soldering iron powered from N900's battery :P17:23
Estel_+ robotic arm and programs to allow N900 solder down it's own usb port17:23
Estel_after installation, it dissasembles itself, reinforce usb port like in tmo instructions17:24
freemangordonmerlin1991, will you rephrase your question re nat, what switch are you looking for?17:24
Estel_be sure to have battery fully charged before installation :P17:24
merlin1991freemangordon: there's an iptables module for the nat table, and I was wondering if there exists a config switch to build it or not17:25
freemangordonmerlin1991, there should be one, yes, which kernel you have in mind17:26
merlin1991actually harmattan kernel :D17:26
merlin1991and I couldn't find one :/17:26
freemangordonthat is from KP5017:27
freemangordonbut should be the same on harmattan kernel17:27
* merlin1991 looks into harm kernel sources17:27
freemangordonmerlin1991, you already have n950 :P17:27
merlin1991but I want a n950 (I want a physical keyboard)17:28
freemangordonso, are those swithces in RMXXX_defconfig? or whatever RX/M is N9 code17:29
merlin1991still booting dev notebook ;)17:30
freemangordonaah, ok. merlin1991, I am leaving my office on my way home, won't be available next hour or so.17:31
freemangordonbb for now17:31
merlin1991CONFIG_IP_NF_MANGLE is disabled17:32
merlin1991and CONFIG_NF_NAT does not exist17:32
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HRH_H_Crabcrikey whichever of you lot does the open media player - noone can accuse you of letting the grass grow under your feet!17:57
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DocScrutinizerEstel_: (someone already dissasembled N950) not afaik18:04
DocScrutinizermight do it today, this weekend, or next year ;-D18:05
DocScrutinizertbh I'm a bit reluctant cause we definitely can't replace broken N95018:05
DocScrutinizerand it's a loaner after all18:06
DocScrutinizerit gave me nausea and a broken flat plastic ribbon connector when I *completely* disassembled the mainboard halv of N900. It might kill me to do same with a device that's - by mere math - ~3 mio USD / device18:08
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DocScrutinizer(a funny little math trick, dividing maemo R&D total costs by number of deployed N950)18:09
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felipecanybody knows how to enable usb tethering from the command line? (no NetworkManager)19:41
freemangordonmodprobe g_ether19:43
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freemangordonifup usb019:43
freemangordoniptables ...19:43
freemangordonfelipec ^^^19:43
felipecfreemangordon: you mean modprobe g_ether on the device?19:45
felipechow does NetworkManager does it? iptables?19:47
freemangordonmaybe you should do rmmod g_file_storage or g_nokia before modprobing19:47
felipecfreemangordon: 'Sync and connect' (on the N9) does that19:47
freemangordonNetworkManager? hmm, which device is that?19:47
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freemangordonbut for sure it is done with iptables on the host machine afaik19:48
felipechmm, I don't even have iptables here19:48
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freemangordonaah, there is a kernel module, give me a second to find his name19:49
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felipecfreemangordon: I know how to use iptables, I just don't think it's needed19:49
felipecI guess I'll install networkmanager and see what it does19:50
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freemangordonmaybe it uses joikuspot19:51
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ioanhi. A while ago I had something installed on my N900 that made google maps open in full screen and with GPS support... I had to load a fresh firmware and I lost that setting and now I don't know what it was... anyone knows what I'm talking about?19:51
felipecfreemangordon: no, that needs to be manually launched from the device19:52
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freemangordonfelipec, what about /network/interfaces19:54
freemangordonmake usb0 autostart with a static ip19:54
freemangordonsorry , i mean /etc/network/interfaces19:55
felipecfreemangordon: I can use usb0, just not to share the Internet19:55
r00t|homefelipec: i set up sharing the internet connetion via bluetooth on my n900...19:59
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merlin1991felipe`: I have a script for that on my n90020:01
merlin1991let me dig it up20:01
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merlin1991felipe`:  and this to stop everything that was running
freemangordonmerlin1991, it is felipec :p20:12
merlin1991dang autocomplete20:12
merlin1991felipec: see above :D20:12
r00t|home<-- felipec has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)20:12
r00t|homeah, he's back20:12
r00t|homefelipec: i have a script to set up sharing the internet connetion via bluetooth on my n900...20:13
* merlin1991 still loves the fact that his script does everything, including a dhcp server20:14
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felipecr00t|home: AFAICS the N9 already has dhcp server20:14
merlin1991felipec: above script is for the n900, won't work on n9 due to missing iptables20:15
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* freemangordon hates the fact that lots of people say "thumb2 is broken on n900, you can't workaround that", but actually noone gives him even a bit of information20:17
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, did you read the latest logs on #beagle?20:23
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DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: please point me to some log20:32
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, NFC how to do it, but a sort of "conversation" starts with "[19:30] <freemangordon> Hi there."20:33
freemangordonI asked, as I saw you joining20:34
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Neutron_hello, I installed easy debian some time ago, and it is asking me for a root password, I can't remember having added one myself20:46
Neutron_I am not 100% sure which build I am using.. any suggestions?20:46
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon:<freemangordon>+Hi+there  sure thing20:47
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, here
MrPinguNeutron_ your default ssh password, probably?21:02
Neutron_MrPingu: I never set one, maybe Qole set one for the image21:06
freemangordonNeutron_, your root password under Maemo21:06
freemangordoni.e. the one you use to connect to device via ssh21:07
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Neutron_ah I don't have such a thing, I just do "sudo gainroot" and it gives me root access without password21:17
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MrPinguStrange, it shouldn't have a password? I still use an older image though21:26
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vi__freemangordon: good evening sir, may I use 0 minutes of your time?22:19
freemangordonBTW why the hell everyone is calling me sir?22:20
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freemangordonvi__ ^^^22:20
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vi__I was just using an edwardian gentleman angle22:21
vi__as for everyone else NFC22:21
vi__I can address you as fuck face if you wish?22:22
freemangordonnah, sir is better22:22
freemangordonvi__: so, what is your question?22:23
vi__actually, my friend has just bought me a single malt whisky.  I may be some moments.22:23
vi__Excuse me if you will good sir, I may take my leave.22:23
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spark666its there a way to make flash work on opera?or it works just in default maemo browser?23:51
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