| Woody14619 | So if, at the end of elections say, the totals for each person is : A=300, B=280, C=190, D=170, E=150, F=120, G=90. Now, clearly, G is eliminated. So if anyone had G in their top 5, G is eliminated, and the candidate they voted for as 6th choice gets their votes. | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Woody14619: yo da man! this actually makes sense :-D | 00:01 |
| Woody14619 | So say I votes for A, B, G, E, F, C, D. Once G is eliminated, my new vote set is A, B, E, F,C, D. | 00:01 |
| Woody14619 | Thus C would get at least one more vote, because (s)he was in 6th place in my list before, and is now in 5th. | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least mostly | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 00:03 |
| Woody14619 | That cycle is repeated until there are only 6 candidates left. (Or maybe 5, for the "official" tally, though 6 would be sufficient.) | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess I'll refer to the source ;-D | 00:04 |
| Woody14619 | If order of the winners were important (I don't think it is) you would take it to 5 candidates, to make sure all votes were tallied. | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.openstv.org/ | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Election options: Seat number = number of desired elected candidates (1 for referendum, 5 for council, etc); Threshold = Droop, Static, Whole; Delay surplus transfer = Off; Batch elimination = Zero;<< | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>The 5 nominees voted for most, as counted by a single transferrable vote system are elected.<< | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.openstv.org/single-transferable-vote | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dang, this site is even more obscure in wording and rationale: >>Since floating-point arithmetic, some implementations round all calculations to a number of decimal places. This implementation does all computations in floating point.<< | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | da faq! | 00:22 |
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| jacekowski | it's overcomplicated | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I recall the voting theory thread when we picked the election process. | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never bothered to understand much of it. | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | wikipedia FTW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote#Counting_the_votes | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | voted. Traditionally that's boozetime ;-D | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | while in 14 minutes THE boozeday starts here in Germany | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheers | 00:47 |
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| Estel_ | Does anyone remember ways of selecting Council's chair(man)? | 04:14 |
| Estel_ | For a moment I though it's person, who got most votes - which makes some sense - but it seems it's not | 04:15 |
| Estel_ | it's done via consensus amongst Councelors, or any way they feel fancy to decide it? | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The council decides internally. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | However they wish to go about it, but historically it's been consensus. | 04:16 |
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| Estel_ | it's great, that many documentations is revived during current voting, see bugzilla and sources for voting system | 04:16 |
| Estel_ | I see, thanks. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | First qualification is motivation to deal with all of the busywork. Second qualification is time to deal with all oft he buzywork. | 04:16 |
| Estel_ | ;) BTW, why You've put councelor * next to SD69? I know Jaffa asked You about it already, nor I suspect any bad intentions | 04:17 |
| Estel_ | I'm asking just out of curiosity | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | False memory of the last council selecting a chair. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess I didn't want to believe they NEVER MANAGED TO select a chair. . . . | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | ;) It's probably because 2/3 of them dissapeared just after election | 04:26 |
| Estel_ | as for jeremiah, no surprise here, but momcilo dissapearing wasn't expected :/ | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | BTW I agree, that in such case, it's natural that SD69 was chair | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | but honestly, I must admit, that I haven't known about this position existence until few days before this situation started | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the approach that "not asking for help" was most severe failure of recent council actually has a point | 04:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, let's see how this pans out this time. It seems to me most candidates not even have an idea of the elementary purpose & duty of council, which is "stay in loop, LISTEN what community thinks and does". Hell, even the term "community" never been that fuzzy like it's today | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's o governance of community | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | no* | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | IOW we're not electing our president, we're appointing ambassadors | 04:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I honestly hope those ambassadors don't think they already know what's "the best for community" | 04:49 |
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| Estel_ | well, I remember that SD69 asked for help many times, although, he don't used all available channels (IRC, mailing list) which sounds more proper than a TMO thread. But, I'm only such "wise" now ;) | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | also, asking for help without specify exact task is a little pointless | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | if You ask for general help, people generally agree to help, and it ends there ;) | 05:02 |
| Estel_ | BTW yea, I recognize the "ambassador vs ruler" thing | 05:02 |
| Estel_ | although, I feel that this Council may feel some thing like "ambassador + catalyst" | 05:03 |
| Estel_ | so referrendum may be used more times than during any Council period in history | 05:03 |
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| Estel_ | Of course I'm sure no one feels "ruler" here. After all, if Council member feel that something needs to be done, he can a) talk about it in a way others will share her/his view and proceed b) do it on her/his own :P fortunatelly, no way to "decret" it | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | (ask for help) I bet GAN950 and Jaffa are always willing to think 5 minutes about what might be about to go awry or has to be considered in the next future | 05:20 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | Morning | 09:01 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | I've been trying to find out which application has been trying to initiate a network connection. I was advised to use dbus-monitor to find out the reason, but it is not showing anything. Anything else I can try? | 09:05 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Is the rule still that something in News with at least one thumb won't make it to the front page of maemo.org? | 13:24 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Because it seems that every article attracts at least one thumb now. | 13:24 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: If it is that, I'd propose changing it to something like hide if number of thumbs > number of upvotes / 2 | 13:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ping | 21:12 |
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| marcello | hallo | 21:46 |
| marcello | i'm tring to compile the qt psql driver for postgres database | 21:47 |
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| marcello | symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlpsql.so: undefined symbol: PQstatus | 21:48 |
| marcello | that happend after the application connect the database | 21:48 |
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| marcello|2 | hallo | 22:15 |
| marcello|2 | i'm tring to compile the qt psql driver for postgres database | 22:15 |
| marcello|2 | i 'm blocked on an error that report | 22:16 |
| marcello|2 | symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlpsql.so: undefined symbol: PQstatus | 22:16 |
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