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| DocScrutinizer | vi___: why not gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock | 00:07 |
| vi___ | because I have a serious case of the retards | 00:10 |
| merlin1991 | holy shit vi___ that is some overuse of the shell right htere :D | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | if [ "x$(gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock)" == xtrue ] | 00:10 |
| vi___ | I shall now use it | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even: if [ "x$(gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock 2>/dev/null)" == xtrue ] | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | Li-Ion does not have "memory effect", and the default N900 battery meter just shows whatever it wants, randomly, sometimes :P | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | EFOCUS? | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vi___: still need sed? | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I like to use sed, though I also have to look up details in manpage frequently | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | No I was reading scrollback :) | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yeah, thought as much | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | just wondered how far back you are | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | some 6h? 12? | 00:18 |
| vi___ | merlin1991: I am not bashfully subtle | 00:19 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer: I like awk sed and grep too, but any time I get any good I just forget it all after a week of not using it | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here ;-D | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | particularly awk | 00:20 |
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| vi___ | mother of god | 00:29 |
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| vi___ | will SOMONE | 00:30 |
| vi___ | tell ash shell that ( is more or less [. | 00:30 |
| Darkchaos | Somehow the backup did not import my chat history? | 00:31 |
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| whatever4ever | how do you read conversations without the conversations app? | 00:33 |
| whatever4ever | Mine is all corrupt | 00:33 |
| vi___ | you can dump the database | 00:33 |
| whatever4ever | can you dump it, fix it, and then load it back? | 00:35 |
| vi___ | ? | 00:35 |
| vi___ | perhaps | 00:36 |
| vi___ | depends how it is mangled | 00:36 |
| vi___ | and how well you understand the database format | 00:36 |
| whatever4ever | not sure on both counts | 00:36 |
| whatever4ever | what should I use to read the DB? | 00:37 |
| vi___ | sqlite | 00:37 |
| vi___ | smsread () { | 00:37 |
| vi___ | sqlite3 -csv $( ls $HOME/.rtcom-eventlogger/el*db -1t | head -n1 ) "select * from Events,Remotes where service_id==3 and Events.remote_uid == Remotes.remote_uid ORDER BY start_time DESC;" | head -n1 | awk '-F,' '{printf("%s %s %s %s\n",strftime("%H:%M",$4),"from",$20,$16)}' | espeak -v f1 -s 160 -p 70 | 00:37 |
| vi___ | } | 00:37 |
| vi___ | was my attempt at an sms reader | 00:37 |
| whatever4ever | wow | 00:37 |
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| vi___ | should give you a clue | 00:38 |
| whatever4ever | This thing is TRASHED | 00:38 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: you opened the conversations db? | 00:38 |
| whatever4ever | different people's names show up under other's conversations, some names turn into <Self_Handle> (which I'm guessing is in the code somewhere) | 00:38 |
| whatever4ever | no, I got the conv app to open again | 00:38 |
| vi___ | mmm | 00:38 |
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| vi___ | nuke the DB from orbit. | 00:39 |
| vi___ | it is the only way to be sure | 00:39 |
| whatever4ever | I'm buying a new n900 today, gotta try to transfer over the stuff nicely today. I wonder if I transfer the msg backup, if the fucked up handling will transfer as well | 00:39 |
| whatever4ever | I want to save my beloved convos | 00:39 |
| whatever4ever | I've so many | 00:39 |
| whatever4ever | hundreds of convos with hundreds of msgs each | 00:39 |
| whatever4ever | for yeras | 00:39 |
| whatever4ever | makes everything slow as fuck, but what other option do I have? | 00:39 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: start again | 00:40 |
| whatever4ever | why? | 00:41 |
| whatever4ever | So the tech. solution is "Fuck your data"? | 00:41 |
| whatever4ever | Can you see why that might not be so satisfying? :P | 00:41 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: yes | 00:42 |
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| vi___ | My father always said 'everything can be fixed' | 00:42 |
| vi___ | it is just a matter of cost and time | 00:42 |
| merlin1991 | vi___: it's just a matter of cost | 00:42 |
| vi___ | You probably could rebuild the whole database by hand | 00:42 |
| merlin1991 | since time equals cost aswell ;) | 00:43 |
| vi___ | but is it wr | 00:43 |
| vi___ | worth the time? | 00:43 |
| vi___ | lol | 00:43 |
| vi___ | as time=money | 00:43 |
| vi___ | cost of fixing=money^2 | 00:43 |
| whatever4ever | I don't mind losing some stuff | 00:44 |
| whatever4ever | but most of the DB should be fine | 00:44 |
| whatever4ever | Can I easily recognize which is corrupt entrees | 00:44 |
| whatever4ever | and just delete those | 00:44 |
| vi___ | therefore money == the root of fixing | 00:44 |
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| vi___ | money=sqrt(fixing) | 00:44 |
| whatever4ever | lol | 00:46 |
| whatever4ever | okay, what do you think of my above idea | 00:46 |
| whatever4ever | easy way to recognize what's fucked and just remove it everywhere? | 00:46 |
| vi___ | well if you do not want to do it by hand then the fubar needs to be consistent | 00:47 |
| vi___ | with n900 you are free to do whatever you want, no matter how futile | 00:47 |
| whatever4ever | So I open the database by hand with your tool. Look through it and delete everything I think is messing it up, and then rewrite it as a DB? | 00:48 |
| vi___ | for example I spent literally days of my time trying to devise a one liner that would return my IP address whether on gprs OR wifi | 00:48 |
| vi___ | no no | 00:48 |
| whatever4ever | Isn't that easy? | 00:48 |
| vi___ | my script was a botch attempt to write an sms reader | 00:48 |
| whatever4ever | ifconfig, and many system tools? | 00:49 |
| whatever4ever | shows your IP | 00:49 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: in a one liner | 00:49 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: that ONLY returns your IP | 00:49 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: no loopback address | 00:49 |
| whatever4ever | :) | 00:49 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: comliant with ash shell | 00:49 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: compliant with ash shell | 00:49 |
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| vi___ | whatever4ever: that doesnt barf errors | 00:50 |
| vi___ | I do not know how you can fix the DB | 00:50 |
| whatever4ever | there is some website that only outputs your ip that you could wget and echo... | 00:50 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: without connecting to some external website, what if i am on a LAN only? | 00:51 |
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| whatever4ever | here is my plan. 1) backup my current one. 2) delete all conversations with issues in them 3) back up that version 4) transfer that version to the new phone 5) have an errorless DB | 00:51 |
| vi___ | perhaps you can use a desktop tool to examine the DB and move things back into their appropriate fields | 00:51 |
| whatever4ever | vi___: why would you need to know your IP if you're not connected to the web? | 00:51 |
| whatever4ever | You mean your internal IP? | 00:51 |
| vi___ | so I can xforward, shh, webserve etc | 00:52 |
| vi___ | yes internal IP | 00:52 |
| whatever4ever | so what about ifconfig? | 00:52 |
| vi___ | what about it? | 00:52 |
| vi___ | you need to know which ip address you are asking for | 00:52 |
| vi___ | ^interface | 00:53 |
| whatever4ever | ifconfig | grep ipv4 or something | 00:54 |
| vi___ | ifconfig $(route 2&>/dev/null | awk '{ field = $NF }; END{ print field }') >/dev/null && ifconfig $(route | awk '{ field = $NF }; END{ print field }') | egrep -o 'dr:[^ ]+'|sed 's/dr://g' || echo "127.0.0.1" | 00:55 |
| vi___ | I got as far as that and thought F' it | 00:55 |
| vi___ | I will just use a 2 liner | 00:55 |
| whatever4ever | jesus | 00:56 |
| whatever4ever | I don't know a lot of that | 00:56 |
| whatever4ever | I guess because I don't konw awk | 00:56 |
| whatever4ever | but I want to | 00:56 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: no one REALLY knows awk | 00:56 |
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| vi___ | whatever4ever: just little bits for a short while | 00:56 |
| whatever4ever | haha, really? | 00:57 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: what is your TMO username? | 00:57 |
| whatever4ever | bash is so sexy | 00:57 |
| whatever4ever | I learned "shift" today | 00:57 |
| whatever4ever | what's that:? | 00:57 |
| whatever4ever | tmobile username? | 00:57 |
| whatever4ever | I am on tmobile | 00:58 |
| vi___ | wut? | 00:58 |
| whatever4ever | but I'm not chatting via my phone right now | 00:58 |
| Proteous_ | talk.maemo.org | 00:58 |
| vi___ | no | 00:58 |
| Proteous_ | tmo | 00:58 |
| vi___ | your tmo username | 00:58 |
| whatever4ever | what's that? | 00:58 |
| Proteous_ | tmo = talk.maemo.org | 00:58 |
| whatever4ever | oh | 00:58 |
| Proteous_ | ... | 00:58 |
| whatever4ever | modularize | 00:58 |
| whatever4ever | I think | 00:58 |
| whatever4ever | "modular" | 00:59 |
| whatever4ever | is it | 00:59 |
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| whatever4ever | I'm so excited to flash the new n900 I'm buying today with the newest stuff and have a clean phone | 01:00 |
| whatever4ever | I wonder if I should make it dual boot | 01:01 |
| whatever4ever | Proteous_: what would you do? | 01:01 |
| whatever4ever | there's a bootloader I think, I could put meego on there too | 01:01 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: dont bother | 01:02 |
| vi___ | you will disappoint hard | 01:02 |
| freemangordon | yeah, better install ubuntu (with lxde desktop) | 01:02 |
| whatever4ever | MAybe it will be useful for one thing? | 01:02 |
| whatever4ever | freemangordon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 ? | 01:03 |
| vi___ | useful for dragging your n900 down to the level of winphone 7? | 01:03 |
| whatever4ever | Instead of maemo? | 01:03 |
| whatever4ever | vi___: it doesn't have a single feature that works better? WOW! | 01:03 |
| vi___ | it barely has feature that work | 01:03 |
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| freemangordon | no, dual-boot. And wiki entry is outdated, better use the appropriate thread on TMO | 01:03 |
| vi___ | they consider 'takes photo without crash' a feature | 01:03 |
| freemangordon | vi___, isn't it? :P | 01:04 |
| whatever4ever | freemangordon: but which OS will I make phone calls on??? :P | 01:04 |
| freemangordon | maemo | 01:04 |
| freemangordon | or you can try to play with ophone, NFC if it works | 01:05 |
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| freemangordon | *ophono | 01:05 |
| whatever4ever | n900 has NFC? | 01:05 |
| whatever4ever | freemangordon: what's ophone? | 01:06 |
| vi___ | bwahaaha | 01:06 |
| freemangordon | (no fcking clue). Otherwise I am waitong my boss ot get a gemflex for me :D | 01:06 |
| whatever4ever | I'm going to have to make a list for all this cool stuff you're telling me | 01:06 |
| vi___ | you are like the 100th person to say that | 01:06 |
| vi___ | NFC==no fucking clue | 01:06 |
| whatever4ever | LOL | 01:07 |
| whatever4ever | wtf | 01:07 |
| whatever4ever | never heard of gemflex either, you guys are privy | 01:07 |
| vi___ | FMG WTF is an gemflex? | 01:08 |
| whatever4ever | freemangordon must be asianee | 01:08 |
| freemangordon | NFC adaptor for non-NFC capable phones, not sure if is not a prototype still | 01:08 |
| whatever4ever | dude, where me get one | 01:09 |
| vi___ | how does it connect? | 01:09 |
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| vi___ | to the phone? | 01:09 |
| whatever4ever | like TRANSFORMERS! | 01:09 |
| freemangordon | you put a flex cable between SIM and SIM contacts | 01:09 |
| vi___ | oh, wow | 01:09 |
| vi___ | tthat is special | 01:09 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 01:09 |
| whatever4ever | really? And the sim card still works? | 01:09 |
| whatever4ever | can the phone be closed too? | 01:10 |
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| freemangordon | don't know, still dont have one :D | 01:10 |
| whatever4ever | Go get one | 01:10 |
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| whatever4ever | okay, we're gonna make a list for me to prepare my new n900 later today: | 01:10 |
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| vi___ | I always thought a digital compass on the debug pins on in the battery compartment would be cool | 01:10 |
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| whatever4ever | 1) flash newest maemo 2) install ubuntu ... | 01:10 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: 1.reflash EVERYTHING | 01:11 |
| vi___ | 2. REPARTITION | 01:11 |
| vi___ | 3. install backup menu | 01:11 |
| vi___ | 4. start removing junk | 01:11 |
| whatever4ever | 4: please specify | 01:11 |
| vi___ | 5. make your 'master backup' | 01:11 |
| vi___ | 6. proceed to install cool shit | 01:11 |
| whatever4ever | what do you parition with? | 01:11 |
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| r00t|home | vi___: do/did you know the pinout for the uart on the debug-port? because i traced/tested it a few days ago... | 01:12 |
| whatever4ever | I'm honestly going to follow these steps tonight! | 01:12 |
| vi___ | 4==apt-get remove cherry, ovi crap, various other pieces of shite | 01:12 |
| freemangordon | vi___ http://www.nfcworld.com/2010/11/29/35271/dbs-starhub-and-ez-link-to-begin-singapore-nfc-pilot-in-december/ | 01:12 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: no | 01:12 |
| r00t|home | vi___: well, it's on the wiki now :D | 01:12 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: I have studied the schematics, however they are poorly laid out | 01:12 |
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| vi___ | r00t|home: wtf | 01:13 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: link plox | 01:13 |
| r00t|home | vi___: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports | 01:13 |
| vi___ | if [ $(gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock) = "false" ]; then if [ $(cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state) == "closed" ]; then | 01:13 |
| vi___ | oops, wrong window | 01:13 |
| vi___ | <shame> | 01:13 |
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| r00t|home | vi___: only caveat is 2.8V logic levels | 01:13 |
| whatever4ever | vi___: what do I use for partitioning? | 01:14 |
| whatever4ever | or will the install process for ubuntu cover that? | 01:14 |
| vi___ | and even 3.3V seem to destroy it. | 01:15 |
| r00t|home | "and even 3.3V seem to destroy it" | 01:15 |
| vi___ | did you find that out the hard way? | 01:15 |
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| vi___ | whatever4ever: gparted etc. | 01:16 |
| r00t|home | that is from DocScrutinizer | 01:16 |
| whatever4ever | vi___: okay, so why am I doing this? | 01:16 |
| r00t|home | i just verified TxD, and then found RxD by making a loopback from TxD, which is relatively safe (as long as you don't short to vbus) | 01:16 |
| r00t|home | vi___: i guess the best would be to find a 2.8V voltage source in the device and connect your peripherial to that | 01:17 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: good job mate! | 01:17 |
| r00t|home | it's rather simple, i've done with with many devices before... i just really wonder why nobody published that info earlier | 01:18 |
| vi___ | because there is only about 3 people left on the face of the earth who: | 01:18 |
| r00t|home | i mean, there should be people closer to nokia that should have the full pinouts... | 01:18 |
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| vi___ | 1. still care | 01:19 |
| vi___ | 2. can use it | 01:19 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: yes | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vi___: using "[ $(..." is usually a poor idea, as the cmd might return "" | 01:19 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: I was rather hoping some disgruntled nokian would dump some source code | 01:19 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: been meaning to ask... does the n900 really not have a battery buffered rtc? because it looses the clock when swapping batteries... | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has | 01:21 |
| r00t|home | so my battery must be dead? | 01:21 |
| r00t|home | *buffer battery | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | it also has a shitty piece of crap backup LiIon-MG cell that breaks after 12 months | 01:21 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer: yes, like the SED knowledge I forgot to use [] brackets as I have not done any scripting for some weeks. | 01:21 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: mine does not | 01:21 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: your internal battery is stuffed | 01:21 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: on saying that my first n900 was like that for a while, then it started remembering | 01:21 |
| freemangordon | r00t|home, it is not only yours, AFAIK all n900 has dead clock backup battery ny now | 01:22 |
| r00t|home | well, it's a used one | 01:22 |
| freemangordon | *by | 01:22 |
| r00t|home | have swaps been done? | 01:22 |
| whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer: I'm getting a new n900, what do you think of these steps that vi___ came up with: 1.reflash EVERYTHING 2. REPARTITION 3. install backup menu 4. start removing junk 4: please specify 5. make your 'master backup' 6. proceed to install cool shit | 01:22 |
| vi___ | not mine :) | 01:22 |
| nox- | just run gpsrecorder (i think that was the one), it sets the clock from gps | 01:22 |
| joga | heh so that's why it does that...I kinda wondered about that a while ago | 01:22 |
| freemangordon | lucky you | 01:22 |
| freemangordon | or it is from your GF's 5800 :P | 01:22 |
| r00t|home | nox-: i do that, but it's annoying... i bought some spare batteries and swap them regulary... and gps only works outside | 01:22 |
| nox- | *nod* | 01:23 |
| vi___ | heh, she got it back when I bought some SCUDS | 01:23 |
| r00t|home | so, has replacing the buffer battery been considered/done? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: yes, some users swapped the shitty Sanyo(?) battery for a capacitive type, or even a simple goldcap | 01:24 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: you do know about the battery 'hot swap' kludge right? | 01:24 |
| hurrian | someone here replaced it with a capacitor. | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seiko? | 01:24 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i'd go the capactor route... | 01:24 |
| freemangordon | yeah, sounds sane | 01:24 |
| r00t|home | vi___: i don't have a power source, that's why i swap the batteries in the first place... | 01:24 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: plug phonw into power source, stop bme, quickly swap battery, start bme. | 01:24 |
| vi___ | job done | 01:25 |
| whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer did you ever finish the battery swapping without shutting off the device? | 01:25 |
| vi___ | aaaah | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever4ever: huh? sure, pal | 01:25 |
| vi___ | r00t|home: well you are pretty much fooked then | 01:25 |
| r00t|home | can you link to any docs on the battery replacement? | 01:25 |
| vi___ | however changing for a CAP woud be sweet | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG been doing it like 3 times a day, for yeras :-D | 01:25 |
| whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer got a link for that? I switch out my battery at least 2x per day. I'd love to not restart my phone each time | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 01:26 |
| whatever4ever | ? | 01:26 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: plug phone into power source, stop bme, quickly swap battery, start bme. | 01:26 |
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| whatever4ever | oh, I thought there was some method where you could do it without another power source. Okay | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734&page=2 | 01:27 |
| whatever4ever | I mean, using the internal battery to suspect to ram or something | 01:27 |
| whatever4ever | suspend* | 01:27 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: no chance | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 01:27 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: internal battery is just about enough for RTC chip | 01:28 |
| whatever4ever | ah okay | 01:28 |
| vi___ | until it breaks | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 01:28 |
| whatever4ever | So when I reload this new n900 use CSSU for sure, right? | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | rephrase please | 01:29 |
| whatever4ever | I'm getting a new n900 later today. I'm writing a course of action for setting it up the best I can | 01:29 |
| whatever4ever | reflashing, partitioning for ubuntu and other cool things I haven't tried, etc | 01:29 |
| whatever4ever | planning which software to load. | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't see use of ubuntu repartitioning, but well... | 01:30 |
| teotwaki_ | You're seriously in #maemo asking for help to put Ubuntu on an N900? | 01:30 |
| whatever4ever | I'm totally not | 01:30 |
| whatever4ever | I'm in #maemo asking people for setup ideas for the n900 | 01:30 |
| whatever4ever | #maemo is my best source for n900 stuff | 01:30 |
| vi___ | repartition to increase /opt to 4GB or there abouts | 01:31 |
| hurrian | you don't have a spare microsd on hand? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd opt for running $UBUNTU_OR_WHATEVER in a chroot any day | 01:31 |
| whatever4ever | hurrian: I do | 01:31 |
| vi___ | also a 2.5GB for chroots | 01:31 |
| hurrian | uhh, just make one partition (mmcblk0p4) for doing whatever with, make it ~4GB | 01:31 |
| whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer so you see no reason to run anything except for maemo CSSU? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 01:31 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: the only ubunu you need is called easy debian | 01:32 |
| whatever4ever | was just following freemangordon's advice | 01:32 |
| vi___ | it has ALL the features of ubuntu AND all the features of maemo | 01:32 |
| whatever4ever | I assumed there were some badass things you could do with ubuntu on n900 that you couldn't with other stuff. | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | no other OS will yield any semi-decent phone functionality, nor proper standby times | 01:32 |
| whatever4ever | What about speed? | 01:32 |
| teotwaki_ | ha | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | (badass things) HAHAHA | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 01:33 |
| whatever4ever | ^ :) | 01:33 |
| teotwaki_ | you really believe apps written for x86, then automagically ported (meaning, fixed until it compiled) to ARM is going to be any kind of good? | 01:33 |
| vi___ | whatever4ever: chroot is probably marginally slower than native install when run from its own partitiom | 01:33 |
| whatever4ever | I didn't know how much/any of ubuntu was rewritten for ARM | 01:34 |
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| vi___ | teotwaki_: at least you have access to these applications | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi___: chroot is not a cpu cycle slower than native | 01:34 |
| vi___ | no? | 01:34 |
| hurrian | whatever4ever, Unity is ridiculously slow on the N900 | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | why should it? | 01:34 |
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| teotwaki_ | sure, but it's not as if they're going to be faster than purpose-written ARM apps. | 01:34 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer: filesystem within a filesystem? | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure not | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi___: that's not what a chroot does | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | vi___: it's not a filesystem within filesystem | 01:35 |
| hurrian | iirc chroots are as fast as native, which is the point. you do lose some RAM for the host system, but we're always low on ram anyway | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | vi___: it's just a dumb path rewrite | 01:35 |
| vi___ | teotwaki_: no, however if I want to use rawstudio or audacity what are my choices? | 01:35 |
| teotwaki_ | vi___: even if that were the case, which it isn't, filesystem only impacts IO times. | 01:35 |
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| hurrian | you're still executing binaries without emulation | 01:35 |
| teotwaki_ | vi___: you're off topic. | 01:35 |
| vi___ | I am on 2 topics, one with you. one with doc | 01:35 |
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| jacekowski | vi___: where apps in chroot when they say they want to go to / kernel knows it's /chroot/ | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | vi___: and that's all it is | 01:36 |
| vi___ | I shall concede the point to doc because I do not know for fact | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | vi___: rewriting paths for all filesystem accesses | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | vi___: that's why it's so easy to escape from chroot | 01:37 |
| whatever4ever | So any of you try the NFC dongle solutions? | 01:37 |
| vi___ | a no fucking clue dongle? | 01:37 |
| whatever4ever | hahah, no | 01:37 |
| vi___ | gtg | 01:37 |
| vi___ | bb | 01:37 |
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| whatever4ever | k adios | 01:37 |
| whatever4ever | OTR for pidgin has been fucked for n900 for a long time now. How hard would it be for me to fix it? | 01:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer needs to pull his NFC dongle | 01:38 | |
| merlin1991 | double meanings ftw | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo merlin1991 | 01:38 |
| whatever4ever | "pull it"? | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | pull the plug | 01:38 |
| whatever4ever | it doesn't work? | 01:39 |
| whatever4ever | my n900 gets so messy | 01:39 |
| teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: ever thought about building a makerbot? Or other kind of 3d printer? | 01:39 |
| whatever4ever | How do you backup the root file system? like /home/.* | 01:40 |
| whatever4ever | just rsync over wifi? | 01:40 |
| merlin1991 | rsync over usb | 01:40 |
| teotwaki_ | that's not root | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought: yes. Done: nope. Planning: maybe | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever4ever: backupmenu | 01:40 |
| teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: I looked at the price of the last makerbots... $1.7k is quite a bit of money | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka BM | 01:40 |
| whatever4ever | teotwaki aren't we basically running as root | 01:40 |
| teotwaki_ | nope, why? | 01:41 |
| whatever4ever | wholy shit, BM is sick | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | backup of /home/ however is done once per day via rsync here, by a cronjob | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 01:42 |
| infobot | well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 01:42 |
| whatever4ever | over wifi? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 01:43 |
| whatever4ever | i.e. never 3g, I'm guessing, | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | goes unnoticed | 01:43 |
| whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer what kind of physical security do you use? For example, if the n900 gets stolen or "borrowed"? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | cluebat | 01:44 |
| whatever4ever | the iphone seems lightyears ahead for this | 01:44 |
| whatever4ever | lol | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | "from my cold dead hands!" | 01:44 |
| whatever4ever | really? | 01:45 |
| whatever4ever | :( | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 01:45 |
| whatever4ever | I'd like all my shit to be automatically backed up on my server so I could throw my n900 into a lake and feel good about it | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you planned to borrow my N900? ;-P | 01:45 |
| whatever4ever | you can do that with most modern smartphones | 01:46 |
| whatever4ever | "cloud" "cloud" etc | 01:46 |
| teotwaki_ | whatever4ever: the n900 is 3 years old. | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above, the scriptie on ~jrtools does a backup each day | 01:46 |
| whatever4ever | my n900 tonight will be 0 years old :) | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless I'm away from my home WLAN, in which case I don't want indiscriminate backups over GPRS done | 01:47 |
| whatever4ever | and I'll sell the old one or turn it into some sort of crazy sleeper | 01:47 |
| teotwaki_ | actually, your new n900 will be 3 years old as well | 01:48 |
| teotwaki_ | I don't think there were many production runs during 2010. | 01:48 |
| whatever4ever | yours is 4B years old. WHEN WERE ITS MOLECULES MADE? | 01:49 |
| whatever4ever | ~14B years old according to BB experts like DocScrutinizer | 01:49 |
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| teotwaki_ | you bore me. | 01:50 |
| whatever4ever | speak for yourself | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | SHHH! | 01:51 |
| teotwaki_ | that's what I'm doing. | 01:51 |
| whatever4ever | :) | 01:51 |
| teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: I'm tempted by a 3d printer, but frankly, I wouldn't know where to store it. | 01:53 |
| teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: my office is cluttered as it is, with all the laptops, desktops and books. | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the class of 3D printers I'd be interested in is not only *huge* but also *expensive* | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not a silly 1.7k bucks | 01:53 |
| whatever4ever | how much? And what will you print with one? | 01:54 |
| teotwaki_ | so I take it you finally found a job? | 01:54 |
| teotwaki_ | :P | 01:54 |
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| teotwaki_ | whatever4ever: anything, that's the point. 3D printers are to the physical world what programming languages are to computers. They're tools enabling creativity. | 01:55 |
| whatever4ever | they can't do anything yet | 01:55 |
| teotwaki_ | eh? | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | what to print with a 3D printer? e.g the white thing in http://youtu.be/WM94%5fR5eKcc | 01:56 |
| whatever4ever | the question was meant to provoke a response about what he thinks the most interesting they can actually print | 01:56 |
| teotwaki_ | and that question is nonsensical. | 01:56 |
| teotwaki_ | Do you really believe the first people who thought about buying a computer to develop software could envisage the possibilities? | 01:56 |
| whatever4ever | I'm curious what he wasnt to use it for, from the get-go | 01:57 |
| whatever4ever | I realize the ridiculous posibilities | 01:57 |
| whatever4ever | "Dude, did you download the new audi on the pirate bay today?" | 01:57 |
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| teotwaki_ | Fuck the pirate bay. | 01:57 |
| whatever4ever | "Yeah, this R8 has spyware in it, though" | 01:57 |
| teotwaki_ | "I committed a new wing design on github, lemme know how it flies." | 01:58 |
| whatever4ever | lol | 01:58 |
| whatever4ever | "my date is here and the R8 is still printing" | 01:58 |
| teotwaki_ | 3d printers and date? | 01:58 |
| teotwaki_ | right. | 01:58 |
| whatever4ever | "pause it and print a knife to stab her tires and delay her" | 01:58 |
| whatever4ever | :) | 01:59 |
| teotwaki_ | anyway, talking of social life, girlfriend is nagging for sleep -- i'm out. | 01:59 |
| whatever4ever | A few geeks in this world are huge players | 01:59 |
| whatever4ever | I'm more player than geek these days | 01:59 |
| whatever4ever | and it probably shows, to other geeks | 01:59 |
| teotwaki_ | sure you are. | 01:59 |
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| whatever4ever | :) | 01:59 |
| whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer hows astrophysics? | 01:59 |
| whatever4ever | What part were you in? experimental, computer simulation...? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | black mater still a mystery | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afk | 02:02 |
| whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer well, there was a great article this week, more info on the huge landslide against it. About the lack of dark matter in our universe | 02:09 |
| whatever4ever | in comparison | 02:09 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; I was 2 hours then, and now 3 hours ;p | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | often too much for me | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I knew I've read sth about memory effect this afternoon or sometime, on N900, but I didn't read that much backscroll when I came back home | 03:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R | 03:27 |
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| MassRoute | SELL CC US,UK,AU | SMTP, MAILER, RDP, PHP SHELL, C99, R57 | | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 03:35 |
| ShadowJK | "new wing design on github" < this actually happens already in RC | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it does | 03:37 |
| ShadowJK | aw, reached end of scrollback again :) | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | in the up or down direction? | 03:39 |
| ShadowJK | down | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | as in, I'm now realtime! | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | for awhile atleast | 03:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly scrolls up, to find how far back the scroll goes | 03:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-08 21:55:39] hmmm | 03:45 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shrugs and starts another few experiments with dark mater | 03:51 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | won't dark matter emit any radiation when akkretion into a black hole happens | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mater* | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | matter** | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | Can you tell the difference? | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe | 04:01 |
| * ShadowJK has a feeling mass of blackhole, mass of surrounding stuff, and radiation emitted are all unknowns really | 04:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's near enough to "watch" it, it should look rather strange | 04:02 |
| ShadowJK | Presumably you'd need a black hole flying around in intergalactic space too? | 04:04 |
| ShadowJK | What if the universe wrapped around, in the sense that if you traveled really long in one direction you'd come back to your origin, would the indirect effects of gravity all cancel out, or would it add an extra effect noticeable over large scales? | 04:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | ##physics | 04:14 |
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| ShadowJK | no way, they probably actually know stuff :P | 04:16 |
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| Estel_ | hey Maemo. What You would recommend as solution for hassle-free file (not only between vfats) transfer metod between 2 N900's, without any other device in between? | 06:39 |
| Estel_ | most prefferably, something easier than scp over ad-hoc - I'm thinking about solution for my mother's N900 | 06:40 |
| Estel_ | it doesn't need to be foolproof, but not overly complicated. As last resort, I may write sh scripts to ease more complicated solutions | 06:40 |
| Estel_ | and gui in future + upload to -devel :P | 06:40 |
| Estel_ | both N900's are running kernel-power, CSSU Testing, busybox power, of course root access | 06:41 |
| Hurrian | Estel_, bluetooth? | 06:53 |
| Estel_ | thought about that, but, how? pairing, then what? | 06:54 |
| Hurrian | how big and how many files are we talking about? | 06:54 |
| Hurrian | idk, software to automate the file transfer? | 06:54 |
| Estel_ | small files in custom locations (some from opt to opt or rootfs) | 06:54 |
| Estel_ | but, how to pair properly one N900 with another as file transfer? normally it pair as ad2p or handsfree | 06:55 |
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| Estel_ | PAN and bluetooth networking? | 06:55 |
| Hurrian | ehh, screw BT | 06:55 |
| Estel_ | ad-hoc as per se isn't bad, it's just that I can't remember any software for transfer after estabilishing network... | 06:55 |
| Estel_ | other than ssh and scp | 06:56 |
| Estel_ | under windows there is winscp, why don't we have something like that :P | 06:56 |
| Hurrian | Estel_, make SMB share on remote N900 then connect to that? | 06:56 |
| Hurrian | then all you need is a GUI that makes it nicer | 06:57 |
| Estel_ | good idea. Quite overhead for mall file transfer - probably, like in XKCD comics connecting pendrive/swapping microSD is much faster... :P | 06:57 |
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| Estel_ | but better than nothing | 06:57 |
| Hurrian | meh, setup would be easier if we had NFC | 06:57 |
| Estel_ | no fuckin clue? | 06:58 |
| Hurrian | hrh | 06:58 |
| Hurrian | *heh | 06:58 |
| Estel_ | ah, near field communication, hate that :P | 06:58 |
| Estel_ | bluettooth is near enough :P | 06:58 |
| Estel_ | connection method isn't a problem, I may use wifi, bluetooth PAN, USB and hostmode... | 06:59 |
| Estel_ | the problem is easy file sharing after. Setting samba and witing sh for it sounds like too much hassle | 06:59 |
| Estel_ | after all, I can write scp scripts :P | 07:00 |
| Hurrian | fileserver on adhoc? | 07:00 |
| Estel_ | so samba isn't needed for that. | 07:00 |
| Estel_ | fileserver using what? | 07:00 |
| Hurrian | lighttpd/nginx/cherokee and a folder full of files | 07:01 |
| Estel_ | sounds like idea worth checking | 07:01 |
| Estel_ | thanks a lot! | 07:01 |
| Hurrian | probably can make a nice GUI of it and browse from other devices too | 07:02 |
| Hurrian | styling with css etc, but a simple directory is enough | 07:02 |
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| Estel_ | yea... BTW, gui for scp would be also possible, but would require parsing ls output | 07:08 |
| Estel_ | it's probably what scp is doing anyway | 07:08 |
| Estel_ | winscp* | 07:08 |
| Estel_ | one session for scp, another one for ssh, ls and similar things | 07:08 |
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| Hurrian | Estel_, http://goput.it/ujv.jpg | 07:28 |
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| Estel_ | Hurrian, thanks for schema | 07:43 |
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| Estel_ | I think it's good idea, but, why do You think we need rails for 2nd battery? | 07:44 |
| Estel_ | dual battery is already assembled in a way, that "down" battery holds everything in place | 07:44 |
| Estel_ | of course it could be made to contain socket for 2nd regular battery without soldering them, but it's much hassle + unhealthy for battery | 07:45 |
| Estel_ | they should be *never* separated | 07:45 |
| Estel_ | paralleled batteries shouldn't have any charge differencies. You can separate them only once, then, shouldn't be put together again | 07:46 |
| Hurrian | ah, so that's the danger people at TMO were talking about | 07:50 |
| Hurrian | i guess it would be impractical to make the charging PCB load-balance the two batteries - would be too expensive | 07:52 |
| Hurrian | as in, when new battery is inserted, PCB first checks new battery current, if it is lower then it switches only when the first battery reaches same or lower current, if it is higher, it switches supply to the new battery, this will of course need capacitors to do | 07:55 |
| Hurrian | it would also confuse the hell out of BME | 07:56 |
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| Hurrian | theoretically, this would also allow you to charge up a flat internal battery using the secondary battery | 07:57 |
| Hurrian | (or use the second battery while the first is flat) | 07:57 |
| Hurrian | and the rails were for holding the internal battery down while there is no second battery and to make it easier to switch batteries in the field | 07:58 |
| Hurrian | unlock the latch and shake it out, i guess | 07:59 |
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| Estel_ | springs are enough to hold single battery, You can tighteen them if becoming too lose | 08:22 |
| Estel_ | loose* | 08:22 |
| Estel_ | as for load balancing it's a no-go | 08:22 |
| Estel_ | You would require lotta hell of components, basically, full-fledged lipo charger inside | 08:22 |
| Estel_ | I got idea for hotswap mod but it's working differently, and for sure it's thing for future, not now | 08:22 |
| Estel_ | also, using w parallel cells, instead of 2 batteries going one after another, give You additional benefit | 08:23 |
| Estel_ | capacity isn't constant value - it's relative, i.e. the higher current draw from cell, the lower capacity | 08:23 |
| Estel_ | so, using 2 cells approach, current draw is only 50% per cell | 08:23 |
| Estel_ | = every cell relative capacity is higher | 08:24 |
| Hurrian | ah. | 08:24 |
| Estel_ | for example, using 3000 mAh battery, my measurements in-device show 3090 mAh | 08:24 |
| Estel_ | not much more, but always | 08:24 |
| Estel_ | + lower current draw also make them live longer | 08:24 |
| Estel_ | it's much more feasible to do easy dual-battery mod, than to design something like that for inside cover | 08:25 |
| Hurrian | hotswap is a no-no for now, then. | 08:25 |
| Estel_ | I got other idea for hotswap | 08:25 |
| Estel_ | mechanical 2 positional switch, that, during position change, parallel batteries for only fraction of second | 08:26 |
| Hurrian | iirc there's an iphone accessory to charge phone using regular charger port and external battery to supply power | 08:26 |
| Estel_ | enough to keep device alive, but too small to hurt batteries due to paralleling 2 with different state of charge | 08:26 |
| Hurrian | ah | 08:26 |
| Estel_ | heh, bundles for charging batteries externally are very common for all types | 08:26 |
| Estel_ | of devices | 08:26 |
| Estel_ | it's super easy to do Yourself too | 08:27 |
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| Estel_ | few things that change given battery input into ~5V | 08:27 |
| Hurrian | was thinking, hooking external charging paraphernalia to testpad USB and back cover | 08:27 |
| Estel_ | some times, it also contain charging circuit | 08:27 |
| Estel_ | well, it's idea for charging without wear and tear for usb port | 08:28 |
| Estel_ | but, while usb via testpads have most protection elements... | 08:28 |
| Estel_ | +5V via testpads doesnt have fuse etc | 08:28 |
| Hurrian | "external charging paraphernalia" being any power source that's 5V, such as a touchstone module or external battery module, where the battery can be several times larger than N900 | 08:28 |
| Estel_ | it's possible to re-create protection on small pcb | 08:28 |
| Estel_ | yea, it's possible, but no need to hock them up solid | 08:29 |
| Estel_ | You can have just plug | 08:29 |
| Estel_ | to connect whatever You want | 08:29 |
| Hurrian | yeah, probably they can simply latch on to something on the back cover | 08:29 |
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| Hurrian | similar to hot shoe on DSLR camera | 08:29 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, phillips release 3000mAh battery on 18060 factor | 08:29 |
| Estel_ | = something like R6 battery | 08:30 |
| Estel_ | 2 of them aren't very thick, only a little bigger cover would allow putting them | 08:30 |
| Estel_ | =6000 mAh battery | 08:30 |
| Hurrian | ...will need adaptor for N900 battery interface though | 08:31 |
| Estel_ | damn, it's pity that they don't release it as flat batteries :P well, cylyndrical are more cheap and popular for all sort of things | 08:31 |
| Estel_ | nope | 08:31 |
| Estel_ | 18060 is LiIon already | 08:31 |
| Estel_ | it's only R6 form factor | 08:31 |
| Hurrian | no, i meant for plugging into the phone | 08:31 |
| Hurrian | you'll need some way to put it in, aside from soldering | 08:32 |
| Estel_ | BTW, it's same type as used in most laptop batteries and such phillips ones are used in electro cars, lol | 08:32 |
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| Estel_ | PCB with pins teared from any random battery :P | 08:32 |
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| Hurrian | i can see it already - 9 cell battery pack for N900 | 08:32 |
| Estel_ | it's super easy to remove from any bl-5j | 08:32 |
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| Estel_ | + You gain protection PCB and resistor for bme bundled in | 08:33 |
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| Estel_ | just solder it to dual 3000 mah cells as done with dual bl-5j | 08:33 |
| Estel_ | well, we can start measure horse power :P | 08:33 |
| Estel_ | as said, same cells are used in cars | 08:33 |
| Estel_ | when they'll become little cheaper - now are overpriced - I'll surely buy two and check possibilities | 08:34 |
| Hurrian | mmm. | 08:34 |
| Estel_ | 6000 mAh battery for N900 without much thicker cover than mugen is real overkill | 08:34 |
| Estel_ | only nanowires can beat that | 08:34 |
| Estel_ | (nanowire LiIon should have ~10 000mAh in single bl-5j size, but they're still far on horizon) | 08:35 |
| Estel_ | bTW I found way for gui file transfer | 08:35 |
| Estel_ | GrSync package | 08:35 |
| Estel_ | from repos | 08:35 |
| Estel_ | GUI for rsync both locally and via any network | 08:36 |
| Hurrian | ah. | 08:36 |
| Hurrian | btw, does the full body replacement include the plastic around keyboard? | 08:36 |
| Hurrian | most replacement shells for the N900 (white ones) omit that | 08:37 |
| Estel_ | robably yes. | 08:37 |
| Estel_ | probably* | 08:37 |
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| Estel_ | keyboard itself stays as is | 08:37 |
| Estel_ | same for whole screen part, it's metal already | 08:37 |
| Hurrian | good to know. i'll be off for now, can't stay awake anymore. | 08:37 |
| Estel_ | see ya! | 08:37 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Is it possible to limit N900 to get charge only when battery percent is below 80%? | 09:18 |
| LaoLang_cool | so when charging is up to 80%, the charge event will be ended | 09:19 |
| LaoLang_cool | I heard that's the way to extend battery's life | 09:19 |
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| * lardman tries a Siri clone on his Galaxy Tab and is stunned at how not very good it is in practise | 15:32 | |
| lardman | In large part due to poor connectivity, on-device speech decoding required | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm depressed that on-device speech recognition has almost died | 15:36 |
| lardman | If I can summon the time I'd still like to test a Sphinx-based all-on-device version | 15:37 |
| Hurrian|zzz | SpeedEvil, people used it? | 15:39 |
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| Hurrian | voice command was pretty bad on Symbian | 15:39 |
| Hurrian | (on an unrelated note, text to speech for contact names was good on Symbian) | 15:40 |
| lardman | was that using speech recog or performing correlations with known training phrases? | 15:40 |
| Hurrian | training phrases, iirc | 15:40 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: is siri online? | 16:13 |
| lardman | chem|st: iPhone, but someone may have hacked together a way to use it online | 16:13 |
| Hurrian | chem|st, siri on the iPhone does need an internet connection | 16:14 |
| Hurrian | Apple cheats! | 16:14 |
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| chem|st | lardman: I mean is siri required to have network connections? | 16:14 |
| chem|st | to work properly? | 16:14 |
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| Hurrian | it needs internet to work AT ALL. | 16:15 |
| chem|st | FAIL! | 16:15 |
| chem|st | lol | 16:15 |
| Hurrian | feh, nobody uses it after the first few days of getting an iPhone | 16:15 |
| chem|st | what about galaxy sIII? | 16:15 |
| Hurrian | nobody knows, but from past voice control tech (and the one on SGS2), it's probably still crap | 16:16 |
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| lardman | chem|st: apparently the original was taken down, but here's the innards described: http://pastebin.com/k1qrQ7qw | 16:17 |
| chem|st | Hurrian: the new samsung TVs suck big time afaik | 16:17 |
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| lardman | http://blog.anidear.com/2011/11/attempt-to-use-siri-on-ubuntu.html | 16:19 |
| lardman | last one, a more easiy read breakdown of the hack | 16:21 |
| lardman | http://memeburn.com/2011/11/the-ghost-in-the-machine-inside-siri/ | 16:21 |
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| Hurrian | chem|st, the new samsung TVs? | 16:22 |
| tgalal | can anyone get 'from QtMobility.SystemInfo import QSystemDeviceInfo' to not seg fault ? | 16:23 |
| Hurrian | they're LED-backlit LCD panels that are barely half an inch thick, what kind of features are they putting into them? | 16:23 |
| Hurrian | voice and gesture control? | 16:23 |
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| chem|st | Hurrian: exactly | 16:25 |
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| chem|st | the new builds ship with cameras and microphones build in | 16:25 |
| Hurrian | ah. iirc they're using regular video cameras to do it, no surprise there. also, with a mic that far away from the user, there's deffo gonna be problems | 16:26 |
| chem|st | things like 'hello, TV on' work... | 16:26 |
| lardman | voice recog works while the TV's not making noise then :) | 16:27 |
| lardman | though I guess it can perform noise cancellation on what it generates | 16:28 |
| chem|st | we had a good laugh for facial recognition, if distributed preferences of channels get loaded automagically, dad crosses the tv while the kids watch a bedtime story the TV switches to some porn channel in dad's preference | 16:28 |
| lardman | lol | 16:28 |
| chem|st | or you walk in on some friends home, his wife watches some soap and the TV switches to porn the second you walk in the living room... | 16:29 |
| Hurrian | ha | 16:30 |
| chem|st | hitchhikers guide mentions radios you have to sit and stare at silent and without any movement or it will change channel, the end of usability 'gesture and voice control' | 16:31 |
| chem|st | a galaxy S3 review mentions turning on or off wifi so it might work offline | 16:32 |
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| Jaffa | Apropros nothing - some people in the Maemo community really piss me off (and I don't mean DocScrutinizer ;-)) | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ??? :-o | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, usuk. | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Don't worry. One of our current community "leaders" | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf usuk | 16:46 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what usuk means... | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usuk | 16:46 |
| infobot | hmm... usuk is you suck | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: any actual reason for that statement? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | like - a recent posting, or rant on IRC, or sth? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: sorry when I lose track of all the morons, there's a lot of them in a lot of channels recently | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | amazingly parallel "development" in e.g maemo and openmoko | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | regarding "let's own the infra" for example. Or regarding the "who's 'the community' definition authority" wars | 16:49 |
| chem|st | Jaffa: reference? | 16:50 |
| chem|st | moo DocScrutinizer | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | the most blatant contributors not always are those with the best common sense | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo chem|st | 16:51 |
| lardman | ~curse Wifi in my office | 16:51 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Wifi in my office ! | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Don't forget the delay in shipping a new version of the hardware, and comedy changes of platform. | 16:51 |
| chem|st | lardman: if I shut the door I am offline.... | 16:52 |
| lardman | chem|st: Faraday cage office? | 16:52 |
| chem|st | is any of current councelors here? | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | He's using IPOA. The pigeons need to get past. | 16:52 |
| chem|st | lardman: thick wooden fireproof door | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, that plus steel armoured concrete makes a rather good Faraday cage | 16:53 |
| chem|st | if anyone likes to drive me, I volunteer | 16:53 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: don't forget the lead lining | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 16:54 |
| chem|st | only dry-walls indoors | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 16:54 |
| chem|st | lardman: analytical environment... we even have rooms they have 'active' field shielding | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as they don't have those "hasengitter" type of steel mesh, I don't see how they can shield WLAN | 16:55 |
| lardman | chem|st: and I was only half joking :) | 16:55 |
| chem|st | lardman: consider your jokes real over here ;) | 16:56 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1204924&postcount=854 | 16:56 |
| chem|st | chickenwire applies to our service room... | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, seems Jaffa isn't inclined to elaborate on his discomfort | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: There is a difference between good shielding, and attenuating enough to make it not work | 16:57 |
| lardman | My dodgy wifi is because my office is so high I get interference from tropospheric radio reflections, or something like that ;) | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1205207#post1205207 | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaah, or he does | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, was busy writing a reply on TMO. Always a timesink | 16:57 |
| BErepairedPC | hey all | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: But decided that facts are my friends ;-) | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | black hole | 16:57 |
| * lardman fears even opening TMO | 16:57 | |
| BErepairedPC | does pyradio still work on the n900? | 16:58 |
| chem|st | BErepairedPC: o/ | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, don't get sucked back into the vortex! | 16:58 |
| * Jaffa did. Regret it. | 16:58 | |
| chem|st | GeneralAntilles: you and me and one other should take over the regiment | 16:58 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I've got my life ring! | 16:59 |
| chem|st | Jaffa: don't say we didn't tell! | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | *SIGH* | 16:59 |
| chem|st | BErepairedPC: no idea, and for god sake leave alone python for good! | 16:59 |
| lardman | chem|st: hey, I just installed Python on my Tab | 17:00 |
| * lardman wonders off to find khertan to help the fight back ;) | 17:00 | |
| lardman | s/wonders/wanders | 17:00 |
| chem|st | gtg have a nice weekend o/ | 17:01 |
| lardman | you too | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I already wrote off council election for this term again | 17:07 |
| * lardman wonders whether a council is what Maemo needs at this point | 17:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems to me like too much blood drain happened so no more real 'do'ers' are around to fill position of a community council | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | real "do'ers" willing to take the burden | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and anyway 99.5% of wider community are not interested, most are not even aware of council anymore | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (incl me, tbh) | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a pity | 17:10 |
| lardman | I didn't really hear much from the last council or two | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Both have been ineffectual | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and obviously current/last term's council wasn't able to make council visible during last term, so how would they change that now during 2..4weeks of election | 17:11 |
| * Jaffa almost considered running - but didn't fancy working with some of the other candidates | 17:12 | |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Indeed | 17:12 |
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| lardman | It would be interesting to hear what people see as the future for "Maemo" | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't run as I'm sure I'm a terrible council member | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I don't like that sort of publicity | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm picturing a yearly Burningman sort of event somewhere in the Sahara. | 17:13 |
| lardman | couldn't be worse than GeneralAntilles, he couldn't even be bothered to turn up for the opening event ;) | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | "burning Elop" | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, pff. I didn't want to be seen on stage with you. | 17:14 |
| lardman | lol | 17:14 |
| lardman | it would be nice to meet in person for a real beer at some point though :) | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well build an Elop effigy out of Windows Phones. | 17:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Some day, some day. | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | that day will be my last day in life. With all the beers you all owe me ;-D | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then we'll get drunk and burn Elop in a wicker man. | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | It's depressing to state and realize this, but it's just like always been in man's history. If 90% of any community are getting uninterested and uninvolved, the remaining 10% which are usually extremists are taking over and rule the fate of community's future | 17:23 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, hasn't the Maemo/OSSO team been kicked out of Nokia already? | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 17:25 |
| jacekowski | well, no empire lasts forewer | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | forever | 17:26 |
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| jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, Hi man | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi jean_brat | 17:33 |
| jean_brat | yesterday.. i did flash the mobile as per the instructions. | 17:33 |
| jean_brat | falsher did work on my 64bit pinguy | 17:33 |
| jean_brat | but the phone does not boot man | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, glad to hear that | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 17:34 |
| jean_brat | http://pastebin.com/F0r1s9xD | 17:34 |
| jean_brat | here is a log file | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you didn't follow the instructions exactly | 17:34 |
| jean_brat | nokia logo comes and the progress bar for few seconds and screen fades away.. | 17:35 |
| jean_brat | no LED no progress bar | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: DocScrutinizer: If someone says they'll do something and someone else says "I'll confirm the dates" - is person B entirely blameless when said action doesn't take place? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1205226#post1205226 | 17:35 |
| jean_brat | its completely inactive | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. Clearly you've grossly misinterpreted the facts, Jaffa. | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should probably apologize. | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'm prescribing 50 lashings. | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I read that as "50 hashtags" :-/ | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: that's expected on first boot, it will take several minutes and you mustn't interrupt it | 17:37 |
| jean_brat | i did flash emmc followed by combined and removed the battry and cable in the middle | 17:37 |
| jean_brat | first one without -R and second one with -R | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, sounds good | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually when your device showed jumping dots (progress indicator) it almost booted already | 17:38 |
| jean_brat | i waited for 1 hour.. there is no LED light as well | 17:38 |
| jean_brat | indicating it is doing something | 17:38 |
| jean_brat | NOKIA LOGO followed by .... and screen fades away.. after few hours i press the power button again it does the same | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's normal. You might want to eventually hook device to fastcharger, and you also may operate the lockswitch to activate the screen again | 17:39 |
| tgalal | when using QML, is there a component similar to harmattan's Page and PageStackWindow, or is it just done by using rectangle components to define pages? | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course it shouldn't power down during first boot | 17:40 |
| jean_brat | there is one wearied thing | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: it's all complete nonsense. Council is the driving instance for elections. If anything hangs it's up to council to push, no matter what that pushing involves in particular case | 17:42 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Indeed. | 17:42 |
| jean_brat | during the execution of that flashing script.. the menu bar keep indicating NOKIA ROM connected / NOKIA rom disconnected/ | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: you completely lost me | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | which flashing script? | 17:43 |
| jean_brat | if actually the device is not recognised for some reason or disconnected script will terminate abnormally giving the error message rt? | 17:43 |
| jean_brat | flasher 3.5 | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's an executable, not a script | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik, on linux | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I dunno which menu bar you're talking about | 17:44 |
| jean_brat | ohh ok.. i thouh its bash or somthing | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather you are running this stuff on a windows machine | 17:45 |
| jean_brat | no DocScrutinizer | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, prolly not. The pathnames have "/", not "\" ;-) | 17:46 |
| jean_brat | i am running pinguy | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: I suggest you redo flashing: first COMBINED, then VANILLA, then COMBINED *again* | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | the boot up device as suggested in ~flashing | 17:47 |
| jean_brat | hmm i did not tried this one. | 17:47 |
| jean_brat | back to back without -R correct? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and let it sit and do it's optification thing. Just occasionally hit the screen to make it unlock, or even use lockslider switch for that | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never use -R, it's a mere convenience thing replacement for manually powercycling the device | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | -R means 'reboot', after flashing done | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | not needed | 17:49 |
| jean_brat | yes | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you better do it manually | 17:49 |
| jean_brat | does sim has to be inside while you flash? | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest to remove it | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | also probably any uSD is better removed, as it's not needed either | 17:51 |
| jean_brat | ok lets do it again | 17:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer afk, RL calling | 17:51 | |
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| jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, 3rd step is not working | 18:02 |
| jean_brat | combined is not flashing | 18:02 |
| jean_brat | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 006. | 18:02 |
| jean_brat | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. | 18:02 |
| jean_brat | Using flashing protocol Mk II. | 18:02 |
| jean_brat | and it quits | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | blacklist you rcdc_ether | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | err cdc_phonet | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | alternatively invoke rmmod cdc_phonet prior to each single flasher invocation, best do it twice actually | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and regarding all this I suggest you do a "sudo su -" rtaher than running each command under sudo | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | halley:/etc/modprobe.d # rmmod cdc_phonet | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ERROR: Module cdc_phonet does not exist in /proc/modules | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | is a *good* sign | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lsmod|grep phonet | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | shuldn't show anything | 18:05 |
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| jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, same issue mate screen fades away. | 18:09 |
| jean_brat | think i ran out of luck | 18:10 |
| Hurrian | hmm, something's wrong here, then. | 18:11 |
| Hurrian | is your battery fully charged? | 18:12 |
| jean_brat | yes man.. it shows full in my 5800 | 18:12 |
| Hurrian | hmm. | 18:13 |
| Hurrian | flash VANILLA (without the -R) at the end | 18:13 |
| Hurrian | pull the battery. | 18:13 |
| Hurrian | then connect it again in USB mode (holding U on startup then connect USB) | 18:13 |
| Hurrian | then flash COMBINED | 18:13 |
| Hurrian | pull the battery again and start the phone. | 18:14 |
| Hurrian | i usually do my flashing not on linux - it does get messy because BINARY BLOB | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: screen fading is expected | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I told you several times | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | toldya first boot takes several minutes, and you can re-activate screen with e.g. lockslider (two times, or three times) | 18:28 |
| jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, even the unclocker will not bring the screen back on | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | best you open up kbd slider, then hit screen. It will light up again | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | double-check your VANILLA image, it shall be marked "latest" in right col of download page | 18:30 |
| jean_brat | no mate..i tried that all | 18:30 |
| jean_brat | Question.. when you finish the flasher and remove the cable (without R option) it will not reboot automatically correct? | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably not | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but maybe i does, you'll see what it does anyway | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: it's absolutely madatory to take care about cdc_phonet kernel module on your PC | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | do "lsmod|grep phonet" | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that shows anything, you're in trouble | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | when best part of ~flashing been written, there's been no cdc_phonet kernel module by default on most distros | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | nowadays it's ubiquitary | 18:50 |
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| N3RVE | Quick question, is Maemo still being developed? | 18:52 |
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| ShadowJK | not by nokia since 2010 | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | see | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~cssu | 18:53 |
| infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | however | 18:53 |
| N3RVE | so another group took over development? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's not like any particular group developed "maemo" | 18:54 |
| N3RVE | I thought the maemo team joined forces with another company to begin Meego | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the Nokia maemo team, yes | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | however maemo >> Nokia maemo team | 18:55 |
| Raimu | Entirely OOT but very interesting: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/sq7cy/iama_a_malware_coder_and_botnet_operator_ama/ | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | N3RVE: http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/Maemo5/25/ | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | N3RVE: The way linux development in the commercial space works is that companies occasionally make noises, or efforts to join up their activities. About 6 months to a year later, this explodes in a shower of new bits, and often companies starting their own groups. | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Limo/maemo/meego/meltmi/tizen/... | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | moblin | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I've forgotten what the intel one was called - going into meego | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - that | 18:58 |
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| jaska | tizen... isnt that html5only, so, worth ignoring i guess | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | There are two aspects to sucky html5 things. | 19:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | First youhave the platform as delivered, which may or may not be interesting. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Secondly, you have the hardware - which may or may not be usable to develop other things. | 19:00 |
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| N3RVE | Thank you SpeedEvil and DocScrutinizer for clearing that up :) | 19:05 |
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| Raimu | Heh, Windows Phone 7 closes socketed connections if you switch apps in the meantime. So much for running IRC. | 19:14 |
| Raimu | What a disgrace. | 19:14 |
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| ShadowJK | how do you make a shoutcast player like that | 19:18 |
| Raimu | Your guess is as good as mine. | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's how all that crap works | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | not to say that'S the difference to maemo | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on maemo the app devel is responsible to care about resource management and savings, on android, iOS, winp7 the OS "is doing that for you" | 19:26 |
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| teotwaki | !ping | 19:28 |
| teotwaki | ~ping | 19:28 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:28 |
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| Sicelo | /win 25 | 21:59 |
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| Darkchaos | Is there anybody with some nitdroid knowledge? It always shows the android boot screen (infinite loop) and in an older version it showed something like set_suspend_state wakeup (3 of 3) unsucessfully etc. In the nitdroid channel nobody is active. | 22:52 |
| Darkchaos | Nitdroid N14 kernel rc_7 (newest both) | 22:52 |
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| Sc0rpius | hi | 23:05 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder if Tizen will be already dead on launch like Meego/Maemo were | 23:05 |
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| ShadowJK | Atleast maemo went through 5(6) major versions before dying :-) | 23:26 |
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| peterbjornx | is it me or is nitdroid installer broken | 23:29 |
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| Darkchaos | it is broken | 23:45 |
| Darkchaos | some files on the http server are missing | 23:45 |
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