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| ShadowJK | Hey a stock-kernel fix for this would be a script to switch off sniff,park,hold on incoming/outgoing call, heh. | 00:26 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK, how do you disable that? | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: he grew out of it | 00:28 |
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| ShadowJK | hciconfig hci0 lp | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | (to see current link policy) | 00:28 |
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| ShadowJK | hciconfig hci0 lp rswitch | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | (to disable everything except rswitch) | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | hciconfig hci0 lp RSWITCH,HOLD,SNIFF,PARK | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | (to put back the way it was) | 00:28 |
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| freemangordon | So, it works when SNIFF is disabled? | 00:28 |
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| ShadowJK | I disabled everything except rswitch | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | So I didn't specifically test sniff in isolation | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: ShadowJK: isn't it quite simple? you just rename bt.ko to bt:with_patch.ko, then you modprobe either one or the other | 00:34 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, nah, you cannot rmmod bt.ko | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I's say you *should NOT* install fremantle and HARM in same scratchbox | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: even if you can't modprobe -r, you still can make it pick one of both at boot time | 00:36 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG: and I will agree with DocScrutinizer in case you're going to use that for CSSU builds | 00:37 |
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| MohammadAG | and a proposed solution is? | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | can I have two scratchbox installations? | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | use vmware images | 00:40 |
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| MohammadAG | performance hit | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | but sure, Fremantle only it is... | 00:41 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG, not such a big performance hit, that is what I am using, an dcan tell you that is fully usable | 00:42 |
| freemangordon | well, 4 phenom cores, but still | 00:43 |
| chem|st | for some reason MyDocs locked up read-only three times so far... | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes, basically you can have multiple SB instances | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | the main problem with SB is the "hardcoded" patch /scratchbox | 00:46 |
| chem|st | uh scratchbox is the devil in disguise | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess there's an 'unknown' cmdline option for installer, to install it to anywhere else | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/patch/path/ | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | quick off-topic lame question, who remember command to check hardware revision + another one to check already installed variant (global, UK, USA, asia etc) of N900? | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's that OT? | 00:48 |
| Estel_ | I convinced my mother to sell her xperia x10 mini pro and buy N900 (sic!), found a 120$ used in ideeal condition here in Poland | 00:48 |
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| Estel_ | off-topic from scratchbox talk :P | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: sysinfo-tool -l | 00:49 |
| Estel_ | It got UK style plug charger, so its probably UK variant, but I would like to be sure | 00:49 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sysinfo-tool -g /component/hw-build | 00:49 |
| chem|st | Estel_: a used device I would reflash vanilla anyways | 00:50 |
| chem|st | just to be sure | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | any day | 00:50 |
| Estel_ | I'll reflash it vanilla of course | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw there's simply no hw-variants, modulo the keymat | 00:50 |
| chem|st | Estel_: you do not need to know anything but what to flash | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | localized hw variants I mean | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | global versus UK/etc variants for fiasco doesn't matter? | 00:51 |
| chem|st | it's just a "shipped with" condition | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | ah I see | 00:51 |
| chem|st | uk had limitations afair | 00:52 |
| chem|st | like radio and stuff | 00:52 |
| chem|st | fmtx | 00:52 |
| Estel_ | well, since bought N900 had to reflash only once, on day four, when I screwed multiboot item (not full reflash, just kernel) so I always though it does matter | 00:52 |
| Estel_ | so all those things like fmtx unblock were written for people, who could just reflash to have it unlocked?! | 00:53 |
| chem|st | no just make sure you flash rootfs AND emmc at the same time without reboot | 00:53 |
| Estel_ | yea, remember about that | 00:53 |
| chem|st | I never needed any unlock for fmtx | 00:54 |
| chem|st | but boost | 00:54 |
| Estel_ | BTW, yesterday, I was fixing one N900 with USBmport torn away with pads - I used testpads. as for data+/data-, only one lacking element is common mode choke, but what about +5V? | 00:54 |
| Estel_ | it lacks 2A 5V fuse for sure when goes from testpads | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | any other lacking things? DocScrutinizer? :P | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | well, I've used jacekowski's fmtx (still using it) so boost not needed, also, kernel-power set it to 120 from version 48 or 49 | 00:56 |
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| Estel_ | damn connection | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | I'm really thinking about using small custom PCB with springs touching correct testpads,in custom aluminum body for N900 | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | to create alternative plug for charging and USB, without wear&tear for default USB | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | common mode choke lacking in USB circuit from testpads isn't any problem, untill You work on naked nuclear reactor | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I elaborated on components and their names missing when using the testpads for USB, on tmo | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | but I'm worried about +5V from testpads. Fuse can be incorporated into design | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | yea, but latter | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | blue_led denied lacking of ESD protection on data+ and - via testpads | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | and it seems that he is right | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | following tracks on schematics | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | I'm less experienced than You, but it seems that really only common mode choke is missing on data+- | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | which sound reasonable, as direct connection to chip, even in lab, would be insane | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus tranzorbs I'd guess | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | which are the real problem | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | as those do all the ESD protection | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | high power current switching? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: sorry I have no link to my tmo post at hand | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | ok, will ensure that. I'm hestitant to design anything that can hurt someone's device | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll have to search it in those half dozen USB related threads | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | no problem, I'll find it | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | :P | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | it's on "repair before and aftefr to late" | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | seen it yesterday | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | all info from there are 100% confirmed from Your own research? | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | I'm asking, cause some time ago it was said that it's direct connection to USB chip, which isn't true, many FUD circulating around TMO when it goes to testpads and hardware | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | if something is small, cheap and easily available I can incorporate it into cuatom body on small PCB | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | when possible | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | to add *before* testpads | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | it would be "supercool" to allow people owning my custom alum body to have alternative USB connection with charging capabilities, yet, I still have to decide if doing smth like that is feasible for body replacement | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: the info in that post listing names of components missing when testpads used has been done by me, directly from schematics | 01:09 |
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| Estel_ | ok, thanks a lot | 01:10 |
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| Estel_ | btw Your personal opinion on possibility to reproduce them on small PCB "outside" N900, i.e. connecting to testpads after PCB? | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | (pcb would be incorporated into body replacement) | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | to reproduce them cheaply* | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | feasible | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I still recommend the proper fix, using original location of USB receptacle, and wiring to next possible contact | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | damn, I'm really tempted by this feature request. Although I must be careful, someone already wanted me to include solar panel LOL | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | if pads are gone | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | yea, but proper fix require acces to motherboard | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | and I mean project of creating replacement aluminum (black) body for N900 | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | with properly shielded hirose cables for connecting into motherboard and normal plugs on outer body side | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | most people are already aware of this project :P (shameless note) | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | why would you want an alu case? don't you need any BR, WLAN, GSM? | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | BT* | 01:16 |
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| Estel_ | hey, if done properly it boost reception instead of lowering it, havent You heard about phones with alu body from factory::P | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 01:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer envisions Estel_ explaining customers "you're holding it incorrectly" | 01:17 | |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | very funny | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | I'm planing to incoporate antenna elements outside I mean build in | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | default N900 antennas are also plastic parts with antenna inside | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | alu body will act like reflector, actually | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but not enclosed in an alu can | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | of course | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | unless You're treating it as tinfoil hat :P | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | worriede that someone will hack u through l33t wifi | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: antenna design is pretty fsckng difficult for 'normal' designs | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | don't quote me on that, but I've also heard that simply connecting all antenna springs to allu case also boost reception, but I don't plan to use such approach :P | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | true | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | yet I'm quite experienced with fractal antennas | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | in 4nec it works, will try in real life :P | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's near impossible to get anything semi-working in an alu case, without a RF design house to do the job and provide the experience | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | BTW doesn't N950 had alu body? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | not at ends, where antennae live | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | wtf I fucked words placement in that question | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | which is how I plan to do it :) | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | do You think that it may turns out to be hard in design | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | i.e. result in antenna that works only when held "correctly" ? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite a bit, but feasible if you're experienced in RF | 01:23 |
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| Estel_ | hope that I'm experienced enough ;) | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and don't worry about "correct holding" - this applies to standard N900 as well ;-D | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | btw I've hard that You tried to use hirose connectors and external antennas | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | haha | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did that on GTA02 | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | in Your case, it resulted in worse reception due to a) bad antenna b) lack of shielding on cable? | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | ah I see | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | c) fcked design of gta02 when it comes to hirose connectors? ;P | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, for what I did on GTA02, it worked | 01:26 |
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| Estel_ | oh, so someone was spreading fud about Your results | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | which basically been: attach test adapter to test receptacle, attach GSM antenna to test adapter | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for FUD, I think you confuse me with somebody else | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you, or that someone | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | possible, memories fade. | 01:29 |
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| Estel_ | anyway, I'm off, thanks for today talk + freemangordon for debugging sessiosn :P | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | see ya! | 01:30 |
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| davux | hi | 02:14 |
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| davux | there's a script that calculates the WEP key for some modems (huawei): http://websec.ca/blog/view/mac2wepkey_huawei | 02:14 |
| davux | is there a way to hook into the connection process so that the calculated key can be set automatically? | 02:16 |
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| davux | the ideal scenario would be: click on "internet connections", select the one you would like to connect to, and the key would be calculated and set on the fly | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hihi | 02:19 |
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| iBorg | hi | 03:20 |
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| iBorg | hi | 03:22 |
| iBorg | ok soo.... | 03:23 |
| iBorg | i have n900 that was working fine | 03:23 |
| iBorg | now it wont boot | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the exact symptoms? | 03:23 |
| iBorg | i get yellow (charge) light x2, then faint Nokia screen, then white pips for like 1 second, enough to go left to right and roght to middle left, then it switches off and repeats. | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | iBorg: what's the exact symptoms? | 03:24 |
| iBorg | i have 2 new batteries fully charged | 03:25 |
| iBorg | same issue | 03:25 |
| iBorg | oh and the phone wont do anything if the power cable is not plugged in | 03:25 |
| iBorg | ie: | 03:25 |
| iBorg | ie a fully charged battery put in and the phone wont turn on | 03:26 |
| iBorg | only when the power cable and battery is in does it cycle | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | it won't do *anything* when you insert battery and then press powerbutton? | 03:26 |
| iBorg | any ideas ? | 03:26 |
| iBorg | nope | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the yellow light like, when you plug in wallcharger? is it steady for some seconds? | 03:27 |
| iBorg | it lights up 2 times sometimes 3 and then faint nokia screen, then white pips and then off as described above | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you say it blinks? | 03:28 |
| iBorg | 2 times sometimes 3 | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what are white pips? | 03:28 |
| iBorg | the screen comes on pips = the screens white forward and back "progress bar" | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I've never seen that progress bar, maybe I'm just too tired | 03:30 |
| iBorg | ok, so... | 03:30 |
| iBorg | well when the phone boots the screen comes on | 03:30 |
| iBorg | theres like 5 white dots on screen | 03:30 |
| ShadowJK | the animated balls moving left/right like knight rider scanner | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | first a "NOKIA" without backlight, then a blue NOKIA on white with backlight | 03:31 |
| iBorg | yea | 03:31 |
| iBorg | hmm | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, then 5 dots | 03:31 |
| iBorg | yea 5 dots | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the knightrider dots | 03:31 |
| iBorg | = pips lol | 03:31 |
| iBorg | yea thats the thing | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to reflash | 03:31 |
| iBorg | thats been suggested... | 03:32 |
| iBorg | however | 03:32 |
| iBorg | ive tried to get the phone into that mode but it wont | 03:32 |
| iBorg | and | 03:32 |
| iBorg | much to the dismay of my m8, he says there supposed to be a USB sign in top right when pressing U key...my phone dont get that far | 03:33 |
| iBorg | ive tied putting battery in, then the power chord. and pressing U | 03:33 |
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| iBorg | the phone is here now just looping as above | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | please try the following: completely switch off phone, open slider and press&hold 'u' key, while holding the key you insert the original Nokia wallcharger | 03:34 |
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| iBorg | with or without battery in ? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | with | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | remove nad re-insert battery to make sure it's powered down | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | then hold 'u', plug USB charger | 03:36 |
| iBorg | ok im waiting a few secs... | 03:36 |
| iBorg | battery in.. | 03:36 |
| iBorg | ok | 03:36 |
| iBorg | it buzzed... | 03:36 |
| iBorg | faint nokia sign | 03:36 |
| iBorg | 2 yellow lights# | 03:36 |
| iBorg | night rider lights | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yur battery is too low | 03:37 |
| iBorg | and its turned off and now repeating.. | 03:37 |
| iBorg | i have 2 battery | 03:37 |
| iBorg | and charger say they are both charged | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever your charger may be, it's incorrect | 03:37 |
| iBorg | hmm ok | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | or both batteries are defect | 03:38 |
| iBorg | weird | 03:38 |
| iBorg | the original battery was left in it flat | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | in theory also N900 could have a very unusual defect to cause that, but we've never seen this so far | 03:39 |
| iBorg | its after it wouldnt take a charge that i got new 1;s | 03:39 |
| iBorg | im gona try the other battery | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you have a voltmeter? | 03:39 |
| iBorg | nope | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | any other Nokia device to charge the BL-5J battery? | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | some other Nokia phones use it as well | 03:40 |
| iBorg | i have a dedicated charger i brought | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I suspect it's either crap by design, or defect | 03:41 |
| iBorg | strange | 03:41 |
| iBorg | do u know a place i can get another charger? | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I don't even know where you live | 03:42 |
| iBorg | UK | 03:42 |
| iBorg | ebey ? | 03:42 |
| iBorg | ebay ? | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'm on the continent | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | chargers from ebay are of very indetermined quality | 03:43 |
| iBorg | hmm i was thinking getting another n900 from ebay | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can find all from a plastic contraption with 2 wires to a plug for 5V wallwart charger | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | to sophisticated charger with charger controller chip | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that should work as well | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply get another battery for 15 min | 03:44 |
| iBorg | have u got any links to chargers, so that i can find 1 in the uk of the same type ? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | a charged one | 03:45 |
| iBorg | yea | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe from a friend with a compatible Nokia phone | 03:45 |
| iBorg | i dont know anyione | 03:45 |
| iBorg | maybe a trip to the local phone shop ? | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | good idea | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | insist in buying a 100% charged battery | 03:46 |
| iBorg | ok | 03:46 |
| iBorg | i will give it a try | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ask them for a proper charger | 03:46 |
| iBorg | yea | 03:46 |
| iBorg | or both | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | though the good ones are not exactly cheap | 03:46 |
| iBorg | thing is | 03:46 |
| iBorg | how much are they where u are | 03:46 |
| iBorg | euros ? | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | chargers? | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably 30+ | 03:47 |
| iBorg | ok | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't buy a charger that has no indicator for charge progress | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | at very least a red and green LED or sth | 03:48 |
| iBorg | i have 1 | 03:48 |
| iBorg | its green with no battery, then red when battery is in and charging, then it goes green once charged | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | even simpler: ask the friendly dude in shop if he can probe the actual battery voltage for you | 03:49 |
| iBorg | ok | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it should be considerably >4.00V | 03:49 |
| iBorg | i will try it in the morning | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe 4.1V optimum 4.2V | 03:50 |
| iBorg | i will let u know how i get on | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | YW | 03:50 |
| iBorg | thanks again | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway - the boting with 'u' held down should result in dim NOKIA screen with USB icon in upper right corner. If it doesn't stay there, it's trying to charge battery as that is too weak for flashing | 03:51 |
| iBorg | ok | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | too bad, when the system needs reflashing to even start charging | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | a deadlock | 03:52 |
| iBorg | i dont even see a USB sign for a moment | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so very first thing for you to do tomorrow; find somebody with a voltmeter and ask him to probe exact voltage of both your batteries | 03:53 |
| iBorg | ok | 03:53 |
| iBorg | my dad has 1 | 03:53 |
| iBorg | i will pop there first | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I gather you charged them immediately before you tried flashing) | 03:53 |
| iBorg | yea | 03:53 |
| iBorg | charger was red for a few secs then went green | 03:54 |
| iBorg | as ive charged them both up already | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | if yur father has a voltmeter, he maybe also knows how to check your charger for correct operation | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmhmmmhmmmm | 03:54 |
| iBorg | i have a datacable also | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | charger immediately switching to "charge end" is usually no good sign | 03:55 |
| iBorg | do i need a driver to charge the phone via usb/pc | 03:55 |
| iBorg | well | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, not a driver, just a working system on phone | 03:55 |
| iBorg | originally with the new batteries... it took about 3-4 hours to go green | 03:55 |
| iBorg | and | 03:55 |
| iBorg | if i leave the phone 'cycling' then the battery does appear to run down, and require charging, then the charger stays red for some time, until green | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's "some time" in minutes | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | (and yes, bootloops will discharge battery) | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | rapidly | 03:57 |
| iBorg | it depends on how long i leave it looping | 03:58 |
| iBorg | both the new batteries were 'fully charged' when i put them away the other day | 03:58 |
| iBorg | the batteries i got are identical to the original | 04:00 |
| iBorg | and the charger is the same as my friend has for his n900, but he lives 200 miles away | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should actually take your phone and Nokia wallwart PSU to phone shop, and ask to use a new BL-5J to do the boot+'u' test | 04:00 |
| iBorg | ok | 04:01 |
| iBorg | yea both my batteries are Bl-5J | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | a charged 'new' (or known good) BL-5J | 04:01 |
| iBorg | even have the holograms on | 04:01 |
| iBorg | ok | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | it might actually be your charger killing batteries | 04:02 |
| iBorg | ok i will try and get it sorted tomorrow | 04:03 |
| iBorg | thanks again... | 04:04 |
| iBorg | i will let u know how i get on | 04:04 |
| iBorg | afk | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | o( | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 04:05 |
| iBorg | chat soon | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | . | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF wiki now sends notifications with IP instead of proper URL | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | like "see: http://80.248.164.233/index.php?title=Task:100Days&diff=0&oldid=45788 for changes" | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who's maintaining the mediawiki stuff? | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ?? | 04:14 |
| pronto | god is my friend | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: see above, maemo wiki sends nonsensical modification notice mails, with IP instead URL | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I suspect the whole system is using the "URL" that any user used to access html. So for wiki.itt.com as well as wiki.maemo.org as well as http://80.248.164.233/ it even uses this URL as the one to place into generated webpages' links and also into change-notification mails | 04:18 |
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| davux | where can i find documentation on what exactly happens on selecting an internet connection from the list? | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to find good documentation on this | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably hard to find *any* | 04:30 |
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| davux | :/ | 04:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway seems there's some knowledge about the process. You might just ask... | 06:03 |
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| * ShadowJK tests bt with just hf disabled | 07:50 | |
| ShadowJK | uh | 07:50 |
| ShadowJK | sniff | 07:50 |
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| ShadowJK | seems to work well | 07:54 |
| ShadowJK | but the original issue can't reliable be reproduced | 07:54 |
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| ShadowJK | So.. One phone is N900 stock, other N900 kp50 default kp50 bt.ko... N900 stock worked 5 minutes straight with disabled sniff | 08:04 |
| ShadowJK | however, now also kp50 is working it seems... :/ | 08:05 |
| ShadowJK | hard to reproduce D: | 08:05 |
| ShadowJK | ok excellent, now also kp50 went buzzy | 08:06 |
| ShadowJK | 3m3s | 08:06 |
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| ruskie | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57431236-92/microsoft-bans-firefox-on-arm-based-windows-mozilla-says/ | 10:16 |
| Sicelo | The chips have new requirements for security and power management, and Microsoft is the only one who can meet those needs. | 10:21 |
| Sicelo | Nice, very nice | 10:21 |
| chem|st | time for mozilla to consider changing from featurefancy to code performance | 10:22 |
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| jacekowski | i don't really see any details in that article | 10:22 |
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| tank-man | no firefox on xbox either, so | 10:25 |
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| vi__ | yo | 15:04 |
| vi__ | where can can I get a new N900 keyboard? | 15:05 |
| vi__ | I bought one on ebay but it is shite quality. | 15:05 |
| chem|st | vi__: continent? | 15:10 |
| chem|st | 1: QWERTY KEYMAT ENGLISH NOKIA Repair Parts 0265740 | 15:11 |
| chem|st | vi__: where are you at? | 15:11 |
| chem|st | 2: http://www.mobilephonecrazy.com/modeldetail/N900,KeyPad.htm | 15:13 |
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| vi__ | chem|st: UK | 15:21 |
| vi__ | uh huh... | 15:22 |
| vi__ | http://www.mobilephonecrazy.com/product/Signal%20booster.htm | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: depends on what you actually need | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | there'S domesheet and there's keymat | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there's plastic kbd frame | 15:25 |
| vi__ | I want the actual keyboard... | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: obviously new keymat won't help if the spring discs in domesheet are defect | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: damn, all that is keyboard | 15:27 |
| vi__ | Some of the letters have worn off my old one (return and right arrow) | 15:27 |
| vi__ | and I need some new letters | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | AHAA | 15:27 |
| vi__ | I do not know how else to say it. | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you need a new keymat | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | notorious problem with the paint coming off | 15:28 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: what is the best solution? | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | my daily N900 has a small spot on e/3 key already | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: new keymat :-) | 15:29 |
| chem|st | domesheet + keymat, if not carefull | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you might consider applying some sort of protector foil to the new keymat | 15:29 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: my e key lost its preasrepoint gtg | 15:29 |
| StyXman | vi__: keymat is the black thinguie where all the letters are printed on and that you actually touch when you want to press the key | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: new domesheet | 15:30 |
| vi__ | yes, but where do I get a new genuine one? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | google / ebay | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st gave a good set of keywords, plus some link aiui | 15:31 |
| vi__ | ebay only has fakes | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 15:31 |
| vi__ | I have emailed the link provided by chem|st to enquire if the keymat is a genuine nokia one | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I bought my last one from a local seller here in Germany, for almost 20EUR, and it's been a genuine one and worked fine (means as the original one) | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/ | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4575_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTY--english-.html | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | HTH | 15:36 |
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| jean_brat | hi,i have an issue with my n900 and it does not boot,it turned off coz of low battery but now i am using a fully charged battery from an another phone | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=n900&x=0&y=0 | 15:38 |
| jean_brat | NOKIA screen comes and it fades away .. it does not show the usual booting bar with ....(4 dots) at akk | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: reflash | 15:38 |
| jean_brat | any documents on how to do it? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 15:39 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | take care about your battery! it needs to have sufficient charge to flash successfully. And your phone won't charge battery in that state | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need full battery to flash, you need flashed phone to charge battery! think about it! | 15:41 |
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| jean_brat | i have a fully charged battery from my 5800 | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | good! :-D | 15:41 |
| jean_brat | a question.. if any thing happens such as power down of my system or something like that will i able to do it again? | 15:42 |
| jean_brat | or is it a risky attempt? | 15:42 |
| StyXman | jean_brat: I flashed my phone at least 3 times with no problems | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, no risk at all | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you basically can't brick the N900 | 15:43 |
| StyXman | just have a full battery and you're set | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | worst case is that you'd need to do a coldflash | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | *very* rarely needed but no problem, if you manage to run into that situation | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in your case anyway a pretty normal reflash of *COMBINED* only will do | 15:46 |
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| kent_autistic | sup yall. does frequently going to network connections in the status menu consume much power? i want to connect to network internet easily but hesitant to add connectnow widget into my homescreens | 15:56 |
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| hurrian | no, it doesnt, only consumes power for waking up the wifi radio and screen, same as connectnow | 15:59 |
| kent_autistic | whats up kapatid | 16:00 |
| kent_autistic | salamat! | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, connectnow?? | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is this some nifty widget to save one click on screen? | 16:12 |
| kent_autistic | two clicks and 4 secs | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, and btw what hurrian said is only partially true. It's true it only activates WLAN chip and screen and uses a bit of CPU cycles, but WLAN chip will do a scan and that's eating quite a bit of energy | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, you need 2 seconds / click? ;-D | 16:15 |
| kent_autistic | ooooh thats what i wanted to know. sorry for the incomplete query. if frequent scans consume significant power | 16:15 |
| kent_autistic | the scans take 2 secs! | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if connectnow does scans in background to keep list of AP up-to-date, then I'd consider it a pretty nasty app and for sure a battery killer | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | scans take more than 2sec | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | fist results may show up after 2 sec | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | first* | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I frequently see APs getting added to that list even 20s after I opened it | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's however the way WLAN chips work, not much to be done about it | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw all this resulted in "period between scans" setting on settings-internet-wlan | 16:19 |
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| vi__ | why not just make a widget with QBW or DCEW that uses the 'connect to any' dbus call? | 16:21 |
| vi__ | This allows you to go online with 1 click prioritising wlan. | 16:21 |
| vi__ | It checks for known wifi, then GPRS and if that failz, opens a 'choose connection' dialogue. | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds cool | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I won't need it as my WLAN connects automatically anyway | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and fallback is GPRS which I never feel like shutting down | 16:26 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: so you are connected 24/7 | 16:27 |
| vi__ | ? | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, sure | 16:27 |
| vi__ | how long does your battery last? | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise my SIP number was a bit useless, and xchat wouldn't really work the way I want it to | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually at least 16h, I.E. long enough | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | on 2G | 16:28 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: you use n900 SIP? Do you use power kernel? | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | occasionally I switch to 3G for browsing and forget to return to 2G, and that may kill battery in like 5h | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, not on my daily phone | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | stock kernel | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | sip over 2g? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | just did a SIP call 3 min ago | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | over 2g? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | SIP over 2G tends to not really work nicely | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | sounds like a name of a torture | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I need to switch to 3G for convenient quality | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I couldn't say it's always available for inbound calls anyway | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's not the main reason for 24/7 online, so I don't mind that much when inbound calls don't make it to my N900 when I'm not at home (i.e. not on WLAN) | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | outbound calls via 3G anyway work flawlessly | 16:32 |
| vi__ | Perhaps you might know if SIP quality suffers like skype quality when using PK? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I'd say it shouldn't, neither on SIP nor on skype | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd call it a regression in KP then | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | which should get a ticket and investigation by Pali ;-) | 16:34 |
| vi__ | heh, I think pali does enough | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | PK is supposed to 'just work' | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: any info on the particular nature of that suffering? | 16:35 |
| vi__ | sure. When using skype the audio degrades (over about 5 seconds from the start of the call) to garbage at worst, choppy robot noises at best. | 16:36 |
| vi__ | Even with 2 devices on the same wlan (if skype even does any real P2P for that matter) | 16:37 |
| vi__ | I do not even want to use skype, however I know no way to skype<->SIP bridge. | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: any clue if that'S related to network jitter or audio/PA issues? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and skype<->SIP bridge is POTS :-D | 16:39 |
| vi__ | I suspect it is due to some kind of badly coded thing in N900 skype client. | 16:40 |
| vi__ | Skype works fine for two computers together on my home LAN | 16:40 |
| vi__ | just not N900 to computer | 16:40 |
| vi__ | On 3G it is just not worth even trying. | 16:41 |
| vi__ | However I seem to recall that skype worked 'ok' on nokia kernel. | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, voice call quality issues are basically of the class "hard to reproduce", means there's way too many variables influencing the result | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | so this means the fact it worked 6 months ago when you incidentally were on stock kernel doesn't mean the recent problems are caused by your transition to PK | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | could be anything from PK to codec picked by skype to network weather | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | first thing to evaluate was to switch forth and back between PK and stock 3 or 4 times and do a sequence of otherwise identical A/B tests | 16:50 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: I agree | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | could be related to a lot of things in PK, if at all related to PK | 16:51 |
| vi__ | however I don't want to mess with my n900 any more than I have to. | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g. network subsystem - PK has netfilters etc | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | scheduling | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | audio drivers | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | or some strange dependency of skype to any idiosyncrasy of stock kernel | 16:52 |
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| jean_brat | on the download page.. what is the correct image to be flashed EMMC of combined? | 16:55 |
| jean_brat | what is the difference between two? | 16:55 |
| hurrian | EMMC = 32GB storage, containing user programs and documents | 16:59 |
| hurrian | the other one is the system | 16:59 |
| jean_brat | EMMC is not country specific? | 17:02 |
| hurrian | yeah | 17:02 |
| hurrian | actually, you're better off flashing the GLOBAL images | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually | 17:02 |
| jean_brat | so the procedure is to flash EMMC and then FIASCO? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably don't need to flash EMMC | 17:03 |
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| hurrian | *note: flashing EMMC removes all your stuff on the internal storage | 17:03 |
| jean_brat | i will do it , just to clean em once it for all | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | if however you do, then yes, the recommended sequence is to flash eMMC first, as this avoids the problem of unintended boots in between flashing | 17:04 |
| hurrian | the order doesn't really matter, though | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but eMMC first, or rather COMBINED last, is a safe way to make sure nothing goes awry during flashing procedure | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing COMBINED first and then eMMC requires strict avoidance of accidentals boots between the two | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | even a few seconds suffice to end with a non working system, so you'll reflash COMBINED again as last step anyway | 17:06 |
| jean_brat | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin is the latest one i believe | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think so | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | rightmost col tells what's "recent" | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | so there shouldn't be any doubt really | 17:07 |
| jean_brat | cool | 17:09 |
| jean_brat | version numbering is confusing | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | the advantage of flashing COMBINED first, then eMMC is you don't need to reboot or shut down device between the two steps | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so this is considered the method for advanced users | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while flashing COMBINEd last is the foolproof method | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | less convenient but "works always" | 17:12 |
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| jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, its mentioned in RED that dont reboot between 2 flashes? | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, it's mandatory for the power-user method (COMBINED then EMMC) | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's basically irrelevant for the foolproof method (EMMC first then COMBINED) | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | look, flashing eMMC nukes /opt. First boot after flashing COMBINED *prepares* /opt | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't rerun "first boot" /opt preparation process | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the safe way is to flash COMBINED *after* eMMC | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you make damn sure you don't run "first boot" after flashing COMBINED before flashing eMMC | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you accidentally did, it's "flash COMBINED *again*, after flashing eMMC" | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if however your rootfs / system is severely messed up, it will refuse flashing eMMC. So you need to flash COMBINED _first_ then, to make flashing eMMC even work. Then you might have to flash COMBINED again, after flashing eMMC if you accidentally booted device before flashing eMMC | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | baseline, whatever you do, you should end with a successfully flashed system, if only you did flash the right images for both eMMC and COMBINED, and you ended your several flashing procedures with a COMBINED flash | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | first boot will take quite some time - don't shut down the system during that | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | like: several minutes | 17:27 |
| jean_brat | hmm.. i have whole night to get through this | 17:28 |
| chem|st | that is why your battery should have a charge of at least 80% | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | should suffice | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 17:29 |
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| jean_brat | so flashing EMMC requires an hour at least? | 17:29 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: while downloading and transfering maps with nokiasuite MyDocs locked ro several times, should I be worried? | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, probably | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd do a eMMC reflash | 17:30 |
| chem|st | means having a vanilla device again^^ | 17:30 |
| chem|st | I do not like! | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | followed by a fsck for bad blocks maybe - though I gather that doesn't help for MMC | 17:31 |
| vi__ | Then you should install batterypatch for total max performance life. | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | do proper backups, fool! ;-D | 17:31 |
| chem|st | no wont do good | 17:31 |
| chem|st | vi__: what is batterypatch? | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | batterypatch BWAHAHAHA | 17:31 |
| vi__ | chem|st: A bad TMO joke. | 17:32 |
| chem|st | all the good jokes I miss :( | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost as silly as nosmoke.exe | 17:32 |
| chem|st | hehe | 17:32 |
| chem|st | or pepperoni_cutter.exe^^ | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: no, flashinf eMMC takes like 2..3 minutes iirc | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is not N9 ;-) | 17:36 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: is 'softpoweroff' on MCE a script? | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and flahser for N900 is flasher-3.5, not flasher-3.12 | 17:37 |
| jean_brat | Fremantle and Diablo flasher is not available in 64bit? | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: probably | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: please read | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 17:37 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's explained there | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need 32bit-compat-libs installed on 64bit systems | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | linux | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and iirc there's some weird systemconfig bit to set, to make it work | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 17:40 |
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| jean_brat | -k, --kernel=ARG is for EMMC image correct? | 17:46 |
| Sicelo | no | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 17:50 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please read the complete page | 17:51 |
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| Darkchaos | Guys, i have a serious problem. i started rm -rf * in /, was not what i wanted to do :/ but i could stop it very fast | 18:07 |
| Darkchaos | my problem is now, I'm missing some busybox commands but I can access the gnu-utils and dpkg | 18:08 |
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| merlin1991 | dafuq? | 18:08 |
| merlin1991 | also, reslash | 18:08 |
| merlin1991 | *reflash* | 18:09 |
| StyXman | Darkchaos: does apt-get work? | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | StyXman: no point | 18:09 |
| Darkchaos | but it's running. Is the no way to redownload these | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | post and preinst use busybox stuff | 18:09 |
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| StyXman | you can do an ugly thin which is force the reinstallation of all the packages | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | once busybox is gone you're fucked | 18:09 |
| Darkchaos | No it doesn't because it's using tar | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | "post and preinst" | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | the shellscripts inside the package | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | they use busybox stuff, trust me | 18:10 |
| Darkchaos | but I have tar etc because i later installed the gnu utils | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | also debs are not tar, but ar | 18:10 |
| Darkchaos | yes, but as long as the syntax is not that different, i could link "gtar" to "tar" which would work? | 18:10 |
| jean_brat | hi i am facing an issue with the flasher and it displays | 18:10 |
| Darkchaos | maybe? | 18:10 |
| jean_brat | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 011. | 18:11 |
| jean_brat | Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | "tar" and "ar" are completely different | 18:11 |
| Darkchaos | ar is working | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | well you could try a | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | apt-get install --reinstall busybox | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | and go on from there | 18:11 |
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| Darkchaos | hmm ok flashing seems to be a nice idea as well, as my / was about 99% full, causing several errors such as impossibility of updating, forcing me to reboot the phone every day as calls were not incoming anymore | 18:13 |
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| Darkchaos | is flashing dangerous or hard? | 18:13 |
| jacekowski | no | 18:14 |
| jacekowski | if you can read the manual | 18:14 |
| jacekowski | but you can't brick your phone | 18:14 |
| jacekowski | you can make it unbootable, but it can be recovered with nothing more than normal usb cable and PC | 18:15 |
| Darkchaos | ok | 18:15 |
| jacekowski | it may be complicated on windows | 18:15 |
| Darkchaos | and my contacts and sms are all stored in /home? so copyin all this should be enough? | 18:15 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 18:15 |
| jacekowski | make a backup using normal backup app | 18:16 |
| rm_work | if you are not changing software versions, yes | 18:16 |
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| rm_work | if you are moving from like 1.1 to 1.2 or something, it could be problematic just manually copying /home over | 18:16 |
| rm_work | that's why we recommend you use the built-in backup application | 18:16 |
| rm_work | assuming it still works :/ | 18:16 |
| Darkchaos | or if im not flashing the emmc works? | 18:16 |
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| rm_work | err this is maemo not harmattan, lol... so yeah, you should be fine | 18:17 |
| rm_work | just backup your home | 18:17 |
| Darkchaos | ok and contacts are in /home or smth not in /etc or something? | 18:18 |
| Darkchaos | and how can i determinate which version i need to not update the software? | 18:19 |
| Darkchaos | because I only want to keep contacts, sms and the call history, no applications | 18:22 |
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| Darkchaos | fuck, unnable to start up winscp to backup files :/ | 18:24 |
| jean_brat | Hi it took less the 3 mins to flash VEnnila and combined both | 18:24 |
| jean_brat | don know if it deployed 32 gigs in 3 mins | 18:25 |
| Darkchaos | can i save the data on the sd card somehow? | 18:25 |
| Darkchaos | will this work? | 18:25 |
| Darkchaos | ./media/mmc1 | 18:25 |
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| jean_brat | hi i just flahsed it as per the instruction but device still does not boot | 18:30 |
| jean_brat | after NOKIA logo ..... appears couple of times and then it turns off again | 18:31 |
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| jacekowski | jean_brat: then you didn't do it as per instruction | 18:32 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 18:32 |
| infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:32 |
| jacekowski | read the whole thing | 18:32 |
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| Darkchaos | and only saving /home is enought | 18:33 |
| Darkchaos | or how can i only backup several things | 18:33 |
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| jean_brat | jacekowski, i used the flsher script and deployed the vennila image and then diconnected the cable removed the battery for a while and reconnected it and deployed the combined image | 18:36 |
| jean_brat | with - | 18:36 |
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| jean_brat | with -R for the last one | 18:36 |
| jean_brat | it went without any issues neat and clean | 18:37 |
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| jean_brat | now when i turn back on.. it does not go beyond that screen | 18:37 |
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| Darkchaos | I Have to find out which Image to use, but I have no clue where? | 18:40 |
| jacekowski | jean_brat: try doing it again | 18:40 |
| jacekowski | and paste whole output to like pastebin.com | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | and it takes like 5 minutes for first boot | 18:41 |
| jean_brat | ok vennila is done again, | 18:42 |
| Darkchaos | guys please, how can i determinate my maemo version by only using the shell? | 18:42 |
| jean_brat | shell i have to keep the device connected to my laptop? after i install COMBINED..? untill it reboots? | 18:43 |
| Darkchaos | The Problem is I cannot see the versions available because I have to shutdown my device for the IMEI, doing this, I cannot access maemo anymore | 18:43 |
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| chem|st | re | 18:44 |
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| jean_brat | jacekowski, what bothers me is.. on the task bar it keeps displaying n900 rom connected / disconnected during the procedure | 18:44 |
| jean_brat | don know if its normal | 18:45 |
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| jean_brat | Finishing flashing... done | 18:46 |
| jean_brat | Erasing CMT: 49% | 18:46 |
| jean_brat | CMT ?? don knwo what that means | 18:47 |
| jacekowski | cellmo | 18:47 |
| jean_brat | 100% (185600 of 185600 kB, avg. 13641 kB/s) | 18:47 |
| jean_brat | Finishing flashing... done | 18:47 |
| jean_brat | CMT flashed successfully | 18:47 |
| jean_brat | Finishing flashing... done | 18:48 |
| jean_brat | CMT flashed successfully | 18:48 |
| jacekowski | pastebin.com | 18:48 |
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| jean_brat | http://pastebin.com/QUp8Kpis | 18:49 |
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| jean_brat | i still have my USB connected | 18:50 |
| jean_brat | shell i remove? | 18:50 |
| jean_brat | its doing something and vibrater is sounding ever 5 second | 18:50 |
| chem|st | the vibrating is odd | 18:51 |
| chem|st | disconnect and boot | 18:51 |
| jean_brat | and the light is blinking like the charging indication | 18:51 |
| Darkchaos | jacekowski: How do I know which firmware I'm running. (using debian) And whats the difference between emmc and usual flashing? | 18:51 |
| chem|st | lol | 18:52 |
| jean_brat | Darkchaos, i am in soup already.. by flashing emmc,, don know if it works | 18:53 |
| chem|st | Darkchaos: you flash the global image anytime, emmc is the device with home and everything | 18:54 |
| chem|st | but without rootfs | 18:54 |
| chem|st | jean_brat: does it boot? | 18:54 |
| Darkchaos | that means emmc is a "light" version which does not replace my operating system? | 18:54 |
| jean_brat | chem|st, does the screeb go black? | 18:54 |
| Darkchaos | but only my Data | 18:54 |
| jean_brat | after the progress bar? | 18:55 |
| jean_brat | don know what is it doing..looks like dead again | 18:55 |
| jean_brat | no LED and no sound | 18:55 |
| chem|st | jean_brat: yes | 18:55 |
| chem|st | afair black but lit | 18:56 |
| chem|st | just let it sit for 5-10 minutes | 18:56 |
| jean_brat | chem|st, how many times we can flash this thing? | 18:56 |
| chem|st | Darkchaos: if flashing emmc you are forced to flash rootfs | 18:56 |
| chem|st | jean_brat: alot of times if battery was 100% at first | 18:57 |
| jean_brat | no ROM.. i got 2 batteries here | 18:58 |
| chem|st | no ROM? | 18:58 |
| jean_brat | ROM has limits of flashing or something? | 18:58 |
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| jean_brat | ok 1 more time.. and this time i wont use -R i will flash and reboot manually | 18:59 |
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| jacekowski | Darkchaos: it's somewhere in settings -> about | 18:59 |
| jacekowski | Darkchaos: there are two types of flash on n900 | 18:59 |
| jacekowski | Darkchaos: emmc and nand | 18:59 |
| jacekowski | Darkchaos: you have to flash both | 18:59 |
| chem|st | jean_brat: eMMC | 19:00 |
| chem|st | ah didnt want to hit enter... | 19:00 |
| chem|st | jace said it | 19:00 |
| jean_brat | yes vennila and combined images | 19:01 |
| chem|st | yes | 19:03 |
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| jean_brat | back to back by removing the battery after vennila | 19:05 |
| chem|st | jean_brat: why do you remove the.... nevermind the manual said so right? | 19:06 |
| jean_brat | if this does not work i will do it in reverse order | 19:06 |
| jean_brat | yes | 19:06 |
| jean_brat | time for the first boot | 19:07 |
| chem|st | that fast? | 19:07 |
| jean_brat | still not working brother | 19:07 |
| chem|st | wasn't even a minute for rootfs... | 19:07 |
| jean_brat | i don know actually the script executes fine.. | 19:08 |
| chem|st | pastebin? | 19:08 |
| jean_brat | but the bar keep displaying n900 rom recognied n900 rom removed | 19:08 |
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| jean_brat | don know if its actually deploying the image | 19:09 |
| jean_brat | properly | 19:09 |
| chem|st | pastebin! | 19:10 |
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| jean_brat | http://pastebin.com/F0r1s9xD | 19:10 |
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| Darkchaos | what confuses me, the filebrowser on the n900 displays the backupped int_kb_layout but not the folders in MyDocs | 19:11 |
| Darkchaos | nevermind, it has to be because .sounds -> hidden | 19:11 |
| Darkchaos | Version: 20.2010.36-2 ? | 19:12 |
| jean_brat | chem|st, anything wearied ? | 19:12 |
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| jean_brat | i am gonna do this in windows now | 19:13 |
| jean_brat | ironically i have 64 bit | 19:13 |
| jean_brat | of both | 19:13 |
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| Darkchaos | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 200174197 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 is this ok? | 19:14 |
| Darkchaos | and than the eMMC content 10.2010.13-2? | 19:14 |
| chem|st | Darkchaos: yes | 19:15 |
| chem|st | jean_brat: ehrm what does it do when pressing the powerbutton | 19:15 |
| jean_brat | it displays NOKIA logo and <.....> for few seconds and screen fades away | 19:16 |
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| jean_brat | chem|st, what is the estimated time to root both vennila and combined? | 19:18 |
| jean_brat | because in my case it takes 1 minute or less | 19:18 |
| chem|st | depends... 5 minutes? | 19:18 |
| chem|st | cant remember, upgrading was a long time ago | 19:18 |
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| jean_brat | i think my phone is good for nothing now | 19:19 |
| chem|st | jean_brat: if nokia logo then DOTS you are just to wait, it takes some time to populate opt and stuff | 19:20 |
| jean_brat | no there is no sign of any activity no light nothing | 19:20 |
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| jean_brat | i should have kept the device connected? | 19:21 |
| jean_brat | untill it reboots? | 19:21 |
| chem|st | no, just leave it for 5-10mins | 19:21 |
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| chem|st | there is no indication apart from screen gets lit again and dots apear | 19:22 |
| Darkchaos | ok so what do i have to install first, the global release and then shut off, battery exchange and then flash eMMC ? | 19:23 |
| Darkchaos | or first the eMMC | 19:23 |
| chem|st | ~flashing | 19:23 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:23 |
| Darkchaos | "NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that." or is fiasco something other then combined | 19:23 |
| Darkchaos | fiasco == expert? | 19:23 |
| chem|st | fiasco is the combined | 19:24 |
| Darkchaos | ok | 19:24 |
| chem|st | rootfs | 19:24 |
| Darkchaos | only for experts. noobs rootfs and then emmc | 19:24 |
| chem|st | ? | 19:24 |
| chem|st | follow the instructions step by step | 19:24 |
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| spark666 | why uboot conflicts whit kernel-power?lol :P | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | need special versions for uboot | 20:19 |
| freemangordon | what? | 20:20 |
| spark666 | ShadowJK: And what version its that?:D | 20:21 |
| ShadowJK | doesn't uboot live in place kernel usually does? | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | u-boot flashes it's owwn kernel image, thus the conflict ;) | 20:21 |
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| spark666 | and version of kernel will use?a better one? | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | afaik omap1 | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | well, maybe it depends where you got u-boot from | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | repos or Pali's sever | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | *server | 20:23 |
| spark666 | repos | 20:23 |
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| freemangordon | I think it is omap1 (stock one) but not sure, better ask Pali | 20:23 |
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| spark666 | hummmm | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | there is u-boot on Pali's server which boots KP50 by default | 20:24 |
| spark666 | but Pali's server its a repo or? | 20:24 |
| merlin1991 | in the repos there is uboot-pr1.3, which flashes uboot with attached image of omap1 | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | Pali's u-boot is in repos too, and afaik it extracts currently flashed kernel an makes it default, something like that | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | But again, better ask pali for details | 20:26 |
| merlin1991 | hm didn't know palis uboot is in the repo | 20:26 |
| spark666 | the only uboot i found on repos is uboot-pr1.3 | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | spark666, that uses omap1 for sure | 20:27 |
| spark666 | Pali: are you here ? :P | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | and better look here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 for upstream one | 20:27 |
| spark666 | ok i will take a look,ty | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, might be wrong, I am using debs from u-boot thread, NFC fhat is in repos | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, when you will have time for *-thumb repos? | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | whenever you want to | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | aah, go ahead then :) | 20:29 |
| spark666 | btw where i can find a list whit all repos?i enabled the one from maemo wiki | 20:29 |
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| merlin1991 | apart from extras-devel and the cssu repo there aren't any repos I know of that are proper | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, lets have the infrastructure in place, .debs will come shortly after that | 20:30 |
| spark666 | i have them | 20:30 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: don't forget to put your stuff on gitorious aswell ;) | 20:32 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991, ORLY :P | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | of course I will | 20:39 |
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| Darkchaos | fuck, I have no space left on my SD MemoryCard^^ | 20:54 |
| Darkchaos | what folders are important | 20:54 |
| Darkchaos | i guess /home/developer? | 20:54 |
| Darkchaos | .bookmarks perhaps | 20:54 |
| Darkchaos | .signon? | 20:55 |
| Darkchaos | some apps and settings of them are not needed i guess as well as the cache | 20:55 |
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| chem|st | Darkchaos: how about using the backup tool or is zip gone? | 20:57 |
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| Darkchaos | BackUp tool works but there is no information about saving contacts etc | 20:57 |
| chem|st | Darkchaos: they are within, and how about using the export function of abook? | 20:57 |
| Darkchaos | What's abook? The default contact book? | 20:58 |
| Darkchaos | half of the gui is even missing already :( | 20:58 |
| Darkchaos | but im dumb, i could have already exported those contacts to Paper | 20:58 |
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| Darkchaos | ok the rm does not work but using rm `ls` is wrong as well, as it is not "" ing the files | 21:00 |
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| rm_work | rm does too work | 21:15 |
| rm_work | :P | 21:15 |
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| Darkchaos | do you recomend using the NSU or the Flasher? | 21:18 |
| Darkchaos | :D it has been working :D | 21:19 |
| Darkchaos | but i was using a damaged ssh session :D | 21:19 |
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| Darkchaos | but now i'll use the default filemanager | 21:19 |
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| Darkchaos | can you give me some tipp how to reflash? First i have to reflash rootfs right? | 21:19 |
| Darkchaos | and then restart and flash COMBINED? | 21:20 |
| chem|st | NO rebooting in between | 21:20 |
| Darkchaos | so no "-R" when flashing rootfs | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | As long as you don't boot N900 in between, it's fine | 21:20 |
| Darkchaos | ok | 21:20 |
| chem|st | Darkchaos: follow what infobot says | 21:20 |
| Darkchaos | but there was something about rebooting, was that the only rootfs? | 21:20 |
| Darkchaos | ye i do, but there is not really clear what rootfs and emmc is etc, but after I have saved all data I will read through again | 21:21 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah, the terminology isn't consistent | 21:21 |
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| ShadowJK | the rootfs/fiasco files are newer, and there are only like 2 emmc files (use the newer one, obviously) | 21:22 |
| Darkchaos | ok | 21:22 |
| Darkchaos | and first the rootfs of course? | 21:22 |
| Darkchaos | or let's call them the COMBINED ones | 21:22 |
| Darkchaos | err and the emmc version is not really matching my maemo version number, is this usual? | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | They only made two because it didn't change | 21:23 |
| Darkchaos | Ok i belive in you and the 8MB Backup made by Maemo | 21:24 |
| Darkchaos | err and you recommend flasher instead of NSU? | 21:24 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't tried nsu, but I've heard bad things about it? | 21:25 |
| Darkchaos | ok | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | But then again, I've also heard bad things about flasher on windows | 21:25 |
| Darkchaos | That's why I'll use Debian in a VM, I hope this will work | 21:25 |
| Darkchaos | And there was a Kernel which supported a WLan Router (being one), Is this the Point were I implement it, or can this be done later on-the-fly? | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | later | 21:28 |
| Darkchaos | And just to know, what happens if the usb connection stops while flashing? (my usb port is a bit damaged) | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | You'll have to flash again | 21:28 |
| Darkchaos | ok | 21:28 |
| Darkchaos | haha nice I even damaged the turn-off switch | 21:28 |
| Darkchaos | well shouldn't i first flash the eMMC the remove the battery and then flash the rootfs as it's written here? | 21:31 |
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| spark666 | i installed locate on my n900 but it doesnt work..any ideas? | 21:41 |
| joga | updatedb? what does "doesn't work" mean anyway? | 21:43 |
| spark666 | i know about updatedb | 21:43 |
| spark666 | but i get a "not found" error | 21:44 |
| joga | a *what* "not found" error? | 21:44 |
| joga | command not found? file not found? | 21:44 |
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| spark666 | sh :updatedb :not found | 21:45 |
| spark666 | and same whit locate | 21:45 |
| joga | spark666 how did you install it? | 21:46 |
| spark666 | from appmanager | 21:46 |
| joga | seems I don't have the same repos enabled then | 21:47 |
| joga | (can't find it) | 21:47 |
| spark666 | i have the testing and friends enabled to :P | 21:47 |
| joga | tried dpkg -L <pkg name> ? | 21:48 |
| joga | to list the files that come with it | 21:48 |
| spark666 | okey ill try it ty | 21:48 |
| Darkchaos | OT: Did anybody try to port What's App to Maemo? I don't know why, but here in Germany nobody uses his facebook or irc or skype chat, but what's app | 21:48 |
| Darkchaos | I don't get why, if they have facebook, even because what's app is mailing your whole addressbook?! | 21:49 |
| chem|st | Darkchaos: dito | 21:51 |
| chem|st | yes they are after it | 21:51 |
| spark666 | man locate works ,to read the man,only the command doesnt work | 21:52 |
| joga | spark666 tried with full path? | 21:52 |
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| spark666 | joga: how could i miss that?tnx | 21:53 |
| spark666 | but why it need the full path? | 21:53 |
| Darkchaos | because it isn't linked in /bin or /usr/bin or /usr/sbin or smth, i'm not that into linux but it searches the command in the current directory and then in those folders | 21:54 |
| spark666 | maybe i should symlink it? | 21:55 |
| joga | Darkchaos actually current directory is not usually searched | 21:56 |
| Darkchaos | Why not? It could be that there is a file named locate? | 21:56 |
| Darkchaos | or is this only in case he uses sh or ./ infront? | 21:56 |
| joga | Darkchaos I've never used a linux system that searches the current path... | 21:57 |
| joga | (sure, it's about the shell of course but sounds unusual to me) | 21:57 |
| Darkchaos | well you could want to execute bash scripts in there? | 21:58 |
| joga | nope | 21:58 |
| joga | I want it to search stuff in dirs I put in $PATH and that's it | 21:59 |
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| joga | then I add just ~/bin for example to PATH and put my scripts there | 21:59 |
| spark666 | btw does this ash has something like bash has the .bashrc? | 22:00 |
| spark666 | :P | 22:00 |
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| Darkchaos | fuck, I should have written a presentation about led's instead Im about 5 Hours already fixing my fucking mobile phone | 22:01 |
| Darkchaos | waiting for the download to finish, the flashing doesn't take long or? | 22:01 |
| Darkchaos | 10 minutes? (5 minutes per file?) | 22:01 |
| spark666 | Darkchaos: language clean pls :P | 22:01 |
| Darkchaos | :D ok | 22:01 |
| joga | I don't think it takes very long | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<spark666> i know about updatedb) it's a bug, see ~jrtools | 22:01 |
| joga | can't remember exactly though, but minutes anyway | 22:01 |
| Darkchaos | replace the word with: "well" | 22:01 |
| spark666 | DocScrutinizer: ty | 22:02 |
| spark666 | ~jrtools | 22:02 |
| infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 22:02 |
| spark666 | DocScrutinizer: should i symlink them then?or create an alias? | 22:03 |
| ShadowJK | you can write presentation while waiting for downloads ;p | 22:03 |
| Darkchaos | yes but at the moment I'm to excited :D | 22:04 |
| Darkchaos | and at the moment here where i'm living its at 9pm too hot -.- (It is Germany :D but it's like in asia or something to much water in the air, so you sweat all the time) | 22:04 |
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| Darkchaos | what if my phone is not entirely loaded? | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | charged? flashing wont work | 22:10 |
| Darkchaos | yes that's what i meant, its about 95% loaded | 22:10 |
| Darkchaos | but problem is due to the memory effect I can never entirely charge it | 22:10 |
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| Darkchaos | well i'll try now, wish me luck :) | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | spark666: I'm actually not exactly sure what's your particular problem, the problem of updatedb though is that it searches for /usr/bin/find and that's not available, only usr/bin/gfind is | 22:14 |
| spark666 | DocScrutinizer: it works only whit full path,same as locate | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | since updatedb is a shellscript, I made a sed cmdline that fixes the issue | 22:15 |
| Darkchaos | ok virtual machines don't work | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | spark666: | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ # which updatedb | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ # bash | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# which updatedb | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/gnu/updatedb | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo $PATH | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 | 22:17 |
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| spark666 | i dont have bash | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | which gupdatedb | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. it's already symlinked | 22:20 |
| Darkchaos | It says Booting device into flash mode, and then the charged led begins to shine, and then: "suitable USB Device not found, waiting." | 22:20 |
| spark666 | Darkchaos: its ok | 22:20 |
| Darkchaos | yes? because the terminal reports that its could find a suitable usb device after the flashmode boot | 22:21 |
| Darkchaos | does this boot take a few minutes? | 22:21 |
| Darkchaos | i can see a dimmed nokia on the screen | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Darkchaos: boot will take minutes after jumping dots | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | not on NOKIA screen | 22:24 |
| Darkchaos | I cannot see jumping dots, I see Nokia and on the right the disappearing usb symbol | 22:25 |
| Darkchaos | thats all | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | then the phone is in proper flashing mode, battery is sufficiently charged, and you should already have started flasher | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | flasher shall be started before plugging in phone | 22:26 |
| Darkchaos | yeah | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | it will "wait" after "no USB found", then you plug in N900 with 'u' held down, and it shall start flashing | 22:26 |
| Darkchaos | "Suitable USB device not found, waiting. blah found device... Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting" | 22:27 |
| Darkchaos | so it looses connection when attempting to boot in flash mode | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably have problems on PC side, witjh | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | with module cdc_ether etc | 22:27 |
| Darkchaos | maybe because it's running in a vm and after that isn't available to the windows driver? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you have a fsckdup rootfs on N900, and try to flash eMMC | 22:28 |
| Darkchaos | how can I fix this? | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to diagnose unless we know exactly what you're doing | 22:29 |
| Darkchaos | rm -rf /* -> I want to reflash my os, I definately have version 2010-20. something - 36 | 22:30 |
| Darkchaos | trying to flash the emmc | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | after rm -rf /* you got a thoroughly fucked rootfs, you'll need to flash COMBINED first, flashing eMMC won't work | 22:31 |
| Darkchaos | ok | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you flash COMBINED, eMMC, COMBINED *again* | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | should get you out of any trouble | 22:33 |
| Darkchaos | yeah :) | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and please read complere page at | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 22:33 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:33 |
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| Darkchaos | When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! | 22:34 |
| Darkchaos | That confused me | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | how is that confusing? | 22:34 |
| Darkchaos | well i thought i have to flash eMMC first | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you have to flash COMBINED *last* | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 22:35 |
| chem|st | ? | 22:35 |
| Darkchaos | ok :) thank you now the flashing works | 22:36 |
| Darkchaos | I think this is the best that happend to me because I had 99% on / even if I don't know why :D | 22:36 |
| Darkchaos | and nitdroid never booted, mounted fs gone read only after 100 acceses | 22:36 |
| Darkchaos | unmounted by themselfes | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Darkchaos: just 5 lines after yur quote there is: >Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.< | 22:37 |
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| spark666 | where can i see the features log of kp50 | 22:37 |
| Darkchaos | after 1 day of using the icons on my desktop freezed | 22:37 |
| Darkchaos | *embarassing * | 22:37 |
| Darkchaos | I never thought that It would be that easy :) | 22:39 |
| Darkchaos | should be done. booting now :) | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first boot will take minutes | 22:40 |
| Darkchaos | k | 22:40 |
| spark666 | it will take some time dont panic | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't abort it | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | spark666, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83118&highlight=kernel-power | 22:42 |
| spark666 | freemangordon: tnx | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I declare May 10. the day of maemo reflashing | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | sorry for the highlight :) | 22:42 |
| Darkchaos | If it has booted how can i import the backup lateron? :D | 22:42 |
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| user | . | 22:43 |
| Darkchaos | ./accept | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | backup app ->restore | 22:43 |
| Darkchaos | ok | 22:43 |
| *** user is now known as vi____ | 22:43 | |
| vi____ | what is the address for cssu irc? | 22:43 |
| vi____ | also | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and obviously again mass storage mode, for anything on MyDocs | 22:43 |
| Darkchaos | hell yeah, my phone just rose like a phenix out of the ashes | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | vi____, #maemo-ssu | 22:44 |
| vi____ | FMG| | 22:44 |
| Darkchaos | well i have to copy them out of the sd external card, because i even broke this functionality :D | 22:44 |
| vi____ | the man who gives his girl a new phone as a present... | 22:44 |
| vi____ | ...then steals the battery! | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | yeah ;) | 22:44 |
| Darkchaos | :D | 22:44 |
| vi____ | ok | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | but gives her his old one (the battery i mena) :D | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | *mean | 22:45 |
| vi____ | how do i determine if the orientation lock is on? | 22:46 |
| vi____ | freemangordon: I did the same to mrs vi__ | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | by looking at your status bar | 22:46 |
| vi____ | with a 5800 | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi____: it's visible as an icon in statusbar | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | nah, it does not make sense, 5800 has the same 1360 mAh as n900 | 22:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer plumbs a few more "_______" to vi____ 's ass | 22:47 | |
| freemangordon | :D:D:D | 22:47 |
| vi____ | the ___ is my e-peen | 22:48 |
| vi____ | I have a script that does some stuff depending on the orientation of the n900 | 22:48 |
| Darkchaos | well ok, my backup application says "no backups available"? | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | you can check a gconf value, look at CSSU wiki for which exact one | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | vi____ ^^^ | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you probably stored them to either uSD or MyDocs. In any case you have to restore those contents | 22:50 |
| Darkchaos | they are in the /home/user/ folder | 22:50 |
| vi_ | however when the orientation lock is enabled the orientation lies | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | the backup app looks in to particular path/dir locations only, for backups to restore | 22:51 |
| Darkchaos | aww that is bad :/ | 22:51 |
| Darkchaos | I have a folder "Backup" but there is a hidden folder "backup" | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | vi_, there are d-bus signals you can use in latest h-d | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | one is /home/user/MyDocs/backups/ | 22:52 |
| Darkchaos | oh shell is per default installed :) | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | *signals and methods | 22:52 |
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| Darkchaos | well i cannot see this folder, maybe in usb mode? | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the other is /media/mmc1/backups/# | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the other is /media/mmc1/backups/ | 22:53 |
| Darkchaos | the problem is the captial "b" | 22:53 |
| vi_ | brb | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no capital B | 22:53 |
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| vi_ | cthulhu calls | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | /home/user/MyDocs/ is what you see on mass storage mode | 22:54 |
| Darkchaos | yeah but as i copied it to the sd card I copied it as "Backups" but i cannot see a "backups" via integrated filemanager | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | the call of chtulhu? | 22:54 |
| prometoys | hi, is there an easy way to configure the status menu? except deinstalling extensions for it? | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki call of chtulhu | 22:54 |
| infobot | I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=call+of+chtulhu&go=Go | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc about HFM | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | might do the MSDOS bullshit of autocapitalizing every dir | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or your input-method did that for you, when you typed the destination dir name | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway unlike MSDOS unix / linux is case-aware | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, it is a song of Metallica | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RTgznup5c | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought it's sth like "montezuma's revenge" | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf gone Darkchaos ? | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prometoys: there's a terribly clumsy way to edit an XML file | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's so friggin annoying and sensible to obscure details it doesn't like about your editing that I actually preferred to forget the name of the file | 23:01 |
| Sazpaimon_ | ibrakalifa | 23:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | - Banned | 23:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh man | 23:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | that looks so good on my eyes | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I have to look into it eventually again, to get rif of double profile settings now that I have tweakr and profile-manager installed | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | get rid, even | 23:02 |
| prometoys | docscrutinizer: thx, just found an option in cssu tuner to make fmtx entry always visible, this was what i was looking for | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 23:02 |
| prometoys | i prefer to ignore the other items instead to edit the xml file | 23:02 |
| prometoys | : | 23:02 |
| prometoys | :) | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's what I currently do as well | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that XML file is a *bitch* | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: UH???? | 23:05 |
| Darkchaos | Mass-Storage-Mode is only providing me the sdcard? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, mass storage mode is exporting /home/user/MyDocs/ and /media/card/ (or whatever the name of uSD) | 23:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, that guy got on my nerves | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | which guy? | 23:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | ibrakalifa | 23:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 23:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | never seen | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: are you sure you're in right chan? | 23:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, yeah he's a TMO member | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 23:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah I dont know why i still go there either | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest you use the term "banned from tmo" | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I can ignore the useless info ;-) | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | instead of worrying if I missed sth here on IRC | 23:11 |
| Sazpaimon_ | there's actually been more activity in #maemo than usual | 23:12 |
| Sazpaimon_ | surprisingly | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, day of first-time-reflashers | 23:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer suspects some rogue pkg published via tmo ;-P | 23:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or some BS statement along the line "nitdroid is *AWESOME*!!1!11!11!" | 23:13 |
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| vi___ | soooo | 23:14 |
| vi___ | I am now on a real keyboard | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, doesn't make much difference | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | the '___' still looks the same ;-) | 23:14 |
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| vi___ | Is there a way to query the current screen dimensions? | 23:15 |
| vi___ | ala xrandr | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, probably yes | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | somewhere in X | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or Qt | 23:16 |
| Darkchaos | does the backup automatically install all apps again? because it said restoring applications and now i have the programmmanager and it's doing nothing^^ | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI portrait rotation based on aspect ratio which basically is X>Y?prtrait:landscape | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, the app restore offers a menu to (un)select arbitrary apps out of the backup'ed set | 23:18 |
| Darkchaos | ok, If i try to do something it says "Progress Running. Please wait" | 23:18 |
| Darkchaos | now its finished :) | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should have a checkbox at left of each app | 23:18 |
| Darkchaos | now it works^^ | 23:18 |
| vi___ | that is how I would determine orientation, however how do I determine the dimensions... | 23:20 |
| vi___ | ...only using bash. | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, bash | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea, sorry | 23:26 |
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| vi___ | cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics\:fb0/virtual_size | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *might* deduce from terminal properties (lines, cols) | 23:27 |
| vi___ | ^ nope | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi___: kudos | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | does this rotate? | 23:28 |
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| vi___ | ...no | 23:32 |
| vi___ | it is just the raw size of the famebuffer | 23:32 |
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| vi___ | FWIW | 23:35 |
| vi___ | If you put: | 23:36 |
| vi___ | gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/connui-cellular/operator_name_online | 23:36 |
| vi___ | $(ifconfig wlan0 | awk '/inet addr/ {split ($2,A,":"); print A[2]}') | grep -v | 23:36 |
| vi___ | "127.0.0.1" | 23:36 |
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| vi___ | into a script in /etc/network/if-post-up.d | 23:37 |
| vi___ | AND you have custom operator widget installed | 23:37 |
| vi___ | Your operator name will be your IP address | 23:37 |
| vi___ | :) | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey :-D | 23:43 |
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| vi___ | ok | 23:46 |
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| vi___ | if ( $(gconftool-2 --recursive-list /apps/osso/hildon-desktop | grep -m1 'orientation_lock' | cut -d ' ' -f 4) = 'tru | 23:46 |
| vi___ | e' ); then echo lol; fi | 23:46 |
| vi___ | to determine screenlock state | 23:46 |
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| vi___ | so if (orientation changed AND orientation lock = false); then | 23:47 |
| vi___ | do my script; | 23:47 |
| vi___ | job done | 23:47 |
| vi___ | get your coat | 23:47 |
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| vi___ | who here knows sed? | 23:58 |
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