| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: are you looking for anything specific | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yep, I want to know if NOLO tries to boot a initrd | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | since IF this was the case, that would be an extremely cute way to splice in uBoot | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as we see /dev/mtd4 still around, I would guess the code putting this partition to purpose also still exists in NOLO | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe it's always been like kernel=mtd2 rootfs=mtd4 ? | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...to make kernel boot with initrd rather than standard rootfs? | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | this would kinda defeat the idea | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFC how maemo4 handled this | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: any hints from your side? | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | nfi | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks anyway | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | I thought uboot idea was to put uboot where kernel is, and kernel on.. emmc?? no idea | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, the 'main' kernel is co-existing with uBoot in mtd2 | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | which makes sense for flasher --flash-only=rootfs | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, afaik mtd4 is unused at all | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so the idea actually been to push kernel a few bytes back, and place uBoot where kernel _started_ | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | whether NOLO tries to do anything with it is something else | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes, it is unused | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S the intriguing thing about mtd4 | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | string NOLO? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't fly, the addr of mtd are hardcoded to NOLO, flasher, kernel | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | so NOLO has some reference to mtd4 for sure | 00:26 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, stringing mtd0 showed cam_launch | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a lot of funny stuff in there | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even suspected they got some hidden 'shell' in NOLO, like uBoot console | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | Waiting for the kernel to magically appear | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | Press any key to cancel | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | Yup, there it is. Stand by for some Linux pleasure. | 00:27 |
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| MohammadAG | tornado | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | blizzard | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | lol the fuck | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, toldya | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had a fun 60 min reading all this lexems | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | these* | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | wp-test2 <-- see, the N900 was planned with WP | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all those H!F*F and @FIF"F and H)F2F drive me nuts | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strings -n 6 /dev/mtd0|less '+/BOOT_MEDIAX' | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't "nolo>" look like a shell prompt? | 00:36 |
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| MrPingu | Hi | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Type 'help'. | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Command requires an argument. | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Print help | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | << | 00:37 |
| MohammadAG | serila console | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Test failed, press any key to continue. | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously "help", "memtest" and "membench" are some valid commands | 00:39 |
| MrPingu | May I know what you are digging in NOLO? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | wp == "write protected" | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, I guess those are all valid bootreasons: >> swdg_to sec_vio 32wd_to pwr_key charger sw_rst rtc_alarm hw_bug<< | 00:44 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: tbh i thought it's initrd that's stored there | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | gimme a sec | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: mtd4? sure, just that it isn't | 00:47 |
| jacekowski | so it's empty now? | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | been like that on maemo4 | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | unused | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo5 has no initrd any more | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>OneNAND blocks unlocked in %d us<< | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmpf, I almost forgot that one: >>usb_host_mode<< | 00:50 |
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| jacekowski | well, flasher can do initfs | 00:50 |
| jacekowski | and i thought there is something in fiasco image | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL: | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Panel ID: %02x%02x%02x | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | acx565akm | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | lph8923 | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls041y3 | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | l4f00311 | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Unknown panel ID | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | moscow | 00:55 |
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| MrPingu | DocScrutinizer, remember I was about to buy that new digitizer in germany? | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 00:57 |
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| MrPingu | It turned out to be fake, but I could send it back and might get a original one | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | further valid commands: "nandbench" "nandscan" | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, fake? how so? | 00:59 |
| MrPingu | China stuff, as I call it | 01:00 |
| timeless | anyone here in Finland and use Sampo? | 01:00 |
| MrPingu | No serial number | 01:00 |
| MrPingu | No earpiece | 01:00 |
| * timeless is trying to use web banking to pay a bill to a Nordea account | 01:00 | |
| MrPingu | no magnet for keyboard sensor | 01:01 |
| MrPingu | No lens for Notification-LED | 01:01 |
| MrPingu | Looks really ugly btw :P | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Usage: | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | dump: gpio dump [all] | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | set: gpio <gpio_num> [1|0] | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | read: gpio <gpio_num> | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | set as input: gpio <gpio_num> i | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | output | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | << | 01:02 |
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| MrPingu | Anyway, the company was really sorry so I still might get an original Nokia Digitizer | 01:03 |
| MrPingu | Instead of a fixed screen, I still have to wait... | 01:03 |
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| MrPingu | Btw the "hole" is getting bigger and bigger :P | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>Erasing certificate '%s'< >Certificate '%s' written<< | 01:11 |
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| cehteh | heho | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! >>Image already contains an R&D certificate, not overwriting<< | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey cehteh | 01:12 |
| cehteh | time for a new n900 battery here, has anyone experience with http://www.amazon.de/XpressMusic-ersetzt-original-cellePhone-ScreenCleaner/dp/B004M4H5WQ/ref=sr_1_3 ? | 01:12 |
| spark666 | hey DocScrutinizer :) | 01:12 |
| cehteh | hi doc | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrr >>PA_ROT13<< | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~rot13 haha | 01:13 |
| infobot | unun | 01:13 |
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| * timeless sighs | 01:15 | |
| * timeless needs to send a lot of money to finland :( | 01:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: probably the battery is just good enough - I'd be careful with the screen cleaner though ;-P | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I prefer 2nd hand batteries original Nokia BL-5j, from 2nd-handy shop etc | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever is next corner of your flat | 01:17 |
| cehteh | there are so many fakes on amazon that you cant tell which ones are original, so i think its prolly better to buy a fake with its own brand, at least they have some little reputation to loose | 01:17 |
| cehteh | yes i once tried that, but was not good | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you go and swap it for a good one | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I usuallly pay 5..10EUR for a battery "with waranty" | 01:18 |
| cehteh | well i started model hely flying .. prolly i find somone who has a charger which can measure the real capacity | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and since you have the selling dude in hit distance.... | 01:19 |
| cehteh | i mean if 1400 is printed on it then it would be fine if it reaches 1200 .. | 01:19 |
| cehteh | but some fakes barely reach 700mah | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ure | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure* | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know your N900 has a pretty good battery meter? | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | no need to find somebody with a external charger | 01:20 |
| ltltoutltclaet | Isn't the battery meater kalibrated for the N900 battery? | 01:21 |
| MrPingu | Tell me? Just lshal | grep battery | 01:21 |
| MrPingu | ? | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ltltoutltclaet: nope | 01:22 |
| cehteh | yes the good meter isnt used by default | 01:23 |
| cehteh | but i thought the resistor in the battery offsets the capacity | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | err no | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it offsets hal's idea of battery's design capacity | 01:24 |
| cehteh | yes thats what i meant, nokia borked it | 01:24 |
| cehteh | now nokia is b0rken | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | wrt BSI Nokia just failed to clearly specify what it's meant to do | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously there's been a semantics change in BSI, from battery temperature meter to battery size indicator | 01:26 |
| cehteh | ok i just order that battery .. lets see what a first charge then reads, if its <1200mah i send it back | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll need to do a charge-discharge-charge cycle to get any reasonable values | 01:28 |
| cehteh | yes i know, meant that with 'first charge' should saied 'complete charge' :) | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest bq27200.sh 10 >batterytest.log for that | 01:29 |
| cehteh | actually batteries improve a bit on the first 2-3 charges | 01:29 |
| cehteh | but if announced at 1400 then 1200 should be it on a first complete charge anyways .. and this doesnt even test how well it behaves after many cycles | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe bq27200.sh 10 | tee batterytest.log | 01:30 |
| spark666 | but lithium batterys dont need that format process afaik | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, cehteh is right about the first 2..3 cycles. | 01:31 |
| cehteh | spark666: they do | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and improvement is marginal | 01:31 |
| cehteh | not that much than older batteries but noticeable | 01:31 |
| spark666 | okey then | 01:31 |
| cehteh | while on a mobile its certaily below the noise .. but i can tell from RC-Helicopter you notice it quite much | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, for discharge @ 10C it's probably a lot more | 01:33 |
| cehteh | and more reliable discharge | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | for such usecases I'd actually "run in" | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | LiIon might suffer @10C during the run-in period | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | (well, some suffer @0.5C, any time) | 01:35 |
| cehteh | this is lipo | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, seriously, the impedance reduces quite noticably during first charge cycles, and shouldn't get ignored | 01:35 |
| cehteh | well and RC batteries are certainly designed differently :) .. high C (actually 25C-50C discharge) | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 01:36 |
| cehteh | allowing 5C charge but thats no good | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen a weird cell specified for charging @2C but discharge only @0.5C | 01:37 |
| * cehteh charging with less than 1C because of the flimsy charger :) | 01:37 | |
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| cehteh | sure that wasnt a gold-cap? :) | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:37 |
| cehteh | hehe | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 01:37 |
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| cehteh | i remember there where some things researched which are somewhere inbetween caps and batteries | 01:38 |
| cehteh | and there are certainly some uses for that (hey mobile phones with fast charging!) | 01:39 |
| cehteh | laptops | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | this however was a plain old Li cell | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1400 or sth | 01:40 |
| cehteh | i'd like if i can charge my laptop in 15 minutes and have 6+hours runtime | 01:40 |
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| r00t|home | cehteh: fuel cells | 01:56 |
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| ShadowJK | cehteh; i have good experience with japod bl5j from dealextreme, but comments suggest quality has declined lately | 02:26 |
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| ShadowJK | also the bl5j from eastmaze are nice | 02:27 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: i want something i can get easily in germany | 02:27 |
| ShadowJK | i think with rc helis your 2nd and 3rd flight have more power as you'vw warmed up battery on first flight, and chemistry works faster when it's warm :) | 02:28 |
| r00t|home | ShadowJK: those are better than genuine nokia? | 02:29 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 02:30 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: certainly not .. using and charging is hours to days apart :) | 02:30 |
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| ShadowJK | r00t|home; atleast first 100 cycles or so | 02:31 |
| cehteh | but yes, some people have heated battery cases for RC LiPo's :) | 02:31 |
| ShadowJK | original nokias I've used reached a "I should replace it" point after 150 cycles, but I didn't replace it to investogate how bad and quickly it degrades. at 300 cycles the phone broke, however. Was at 1000-1100 mAh remaining. | 02:32 |
| r00t|home | you're not pushing 1 cycle/day like me? ;) | 02:32 |
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| cehteh | i am still on my first now almost 2yrs old nokia battery (most of the time the phone is plugged into some power supply) | 02:33 |
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| cehteh | in past weeks it really degraded, and i want a working battery over summertime when i am more outside | 02:33 |
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| cehteh | now it shows half full after few hours laying in the backpack . .and then suddenly jumps to empty | 02:34 |
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| r00t|home | i ebay'd myself a bunch of (almost) new nokia bl5j, because i sometimes use up more than one per day | 02:34 |
| r00t|home | no idea if that's maybe caused by the being old, but works for me | 02:35 |
| cehteh | i have my bicycle ree-charge, that works more or less well (except few glitches when it stop charging) | 02:36 |
| r00t|home | but the battery indicator still works somewhat acurately for all of them, actually i still have an hour or a half left at 0% | 02:36 |
| cehteh | better than changing batteries anyways .. i dont like to open the otterbox | 02:36 |
| cehteh | http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/reecharge-power-pack i think i posted that last year already :) | 02:37 |
| cehteh | needs a slight 'shorten D+ D- Mod' to work with the N900 | 02:37 |
| r00t|home | how long of a ride does it take to charge up that thing? | 02:38 |
| cehteh | dunno i keep it charged and it only drains when i an very slow (steep hills) or i emergency charge my n900 when not riding | 02:40 |
| cehteh | and rarely i charge it at home with the ac adaptor | 02:40 |
| cehteh | for normal riding i never got it empty, even with gps, monav and display always on | 02:41 |
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| Macer | wow | 03:04 |
| Macer | http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/news/blogs/sideshow/south-korea-seizes-capsules-containing-powdered-flesh-dead-190306280.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=US&.lang=en-US | 03:04 |
| Macer | the chinese found an interesting way to eliminate all the waste from those forced abortions | 03:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://www.tizen.org/conference/tizen-developer-conference/live-stream - tizen conf | 04:28 |
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| ShadowJK | is tizen alive | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | i mean, i thought it was more vaporware than meego | 04:34 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh; If you do get a hobby charger, I believe you will find that your "suddenly empty" battery will test as 1100 with .1A discharge, and significantly less with .5A and .7A discharge :) | 04:35 |
| cehteh | tizen is up and kicking .. | 04:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - that was content free (the above) | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I was pondering that the first medfield phones have just hit, and that something might happen | 04:56 |
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| nivw | ~seen MohammadAG | 10:30 |
| MohammadAG | Thou dare summon me? | 10:30 |
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| MohammadAG | :p | 10:30 |
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| CityofLights2 | long time | 10:31 |
| CityofLights2 | still studing CS? | 10:31 |
| MohammadAG | Mechina now | 10:32 |
| CityofLights2 | where? | 10:32 |
| MohammadAG | Technion | 10:32 |
| CityofLights2 | nice | 10:32 |
| MohammadAG | How's life? | 10:32 |
| CityofLights2 | started a new job, bought the N9 | 10:32 |
| CityofLights2 | miss the N900 | 10:33 |
| CityofLights2 | and was hoping to solve some issues, and write something | 10:33 |
| MohammadAG | I need to get a job... | 10:33 |
| CityofLights2 | seems the N9 has a bug when you define two gmail accounts | 10:33 |
| MohammadAG | Ive yet to try that | 10:34 |
| CityofLights2 | Willing to come to Herzeliya? | 10:34 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm, depends on times :p | 10:34 |
| CityofLights2 | what is the state of N900 development? | 10:34 |
| MohammadAG | Why? | 10:34 |
| CityofLights2 | did most folks ditched it? | 10:34 |
| CityofLights2 | If I could get the mail for exchange on the N900 I would return to it | 10:35 |
| CityofLights2 | maybe developers moved to tizen | 10:35 |
| CityofLights2 | o | 10:35 |
| CityofLights2 | you should apply at Intel to work on Tizen | 10:35 |
| MohammadAG | Nope, it's still going | 10:35 |
| CityofLights2 | at Haifa | 10:36 |
| CityofLights2 | matam | 10:36 |
| CityofLights2 | what is going? | 10:36 |
| MohammadAG | How? I have no certs | 10:36 |
| CityofLights2 | not relevent IMO | 10:36 |
| CityofLights2 | want my help? | 10:36 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm | 10:37 |
| MohammadAG | The site says you need to have some sort of cert | 10:37 |
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| CityofLights2 | what was your last contrib to maemo? | 10:39 |
| MohammadAG | Sociality-mtf | 10:40 |
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| CityofLights2 | hi florian | 11:08 |
| florian | good morning | 11:08 |
| chem|st | o/ | 11:08 |
| CityofLights2 | how are you doing? | 11:08 |
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| MohammadAG | Moo chem|st | 11:09 |
| CityofLights2 | I just asked MohammadAG if anyone is still developing for maemo | 11:09 |
| CityofLights2 | or did all developers moved to tizen | 11:09 |
| CityofLights2 | just as its been a while since I have been here | 11:10 |
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| CityofLights2 | I was hoping to write some usefull programs, which I didnt get a chance to | 11:11 |
| CityofLights2 | and the N9 seems more hard to develop on | 11:11 |
| chem|st | moo MohammadAG | 11:11 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm, writing a UI for a grid of images seems fun | 11:11 |
| user | Im pretty sure there's yet to be a 2010, 2011, or 2012 equivilant to the trusty N900 | 11:11 |
| chem|st | CityofLights2: yeah it's been a while | 11:12 |
| user | <- Dat username | 11:12 |
| CityofLights2 | if there is a confrence soon - I will be glad to come | 11:12 |
| CityofLights2 | fosdem is only at feb | 11:12 |
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| CityofLights2 | I was also looking to ask the "community" did webos open source have any impact? | 11:13 |
| CityofLights2 | was there any usefull code there? | 11:13 |
| MohammadAG | What's the % operation? | 11:15 |
| CityofLights2 | I wish I could take the mail for exchange code and use it on maemo | 11:15 |
| CityofLights2 | modulu? | 11:15 |
| chem|st | user: I doubt they hurry nevertheless it seems "captain obvious" that they are recovering on Qt | 11:15 |
| CityofLights2 | 7%2=1 | 11:15 |
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| chem|st | re | 12:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~7%2 | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigh | 12:30 |
| chem|st | moo DocScrutinizer | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah, it's modulo, I just didn't understand why it was used | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | Figured it out though | 12:30 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hates netsplits | 12:37 | |
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| RST38h_ | Meanwhile: | 12:42 |
| RST38h_ | http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/08/tizen-developer-phone-appears-complete-with-4-3-inch-screen-and/ | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> The HTML5 apps themselves however, tended to lag a bit...<< HRHRHRR | 12:48 |
| MohammadAG | That tends to happen with web apps | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, webapps? | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | But I can say I was surprised | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | HTML5 apps are web apps | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | not necessarily | 12:49 |
| Arkenoi | will tizen run Qt applications? | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | No, afaik | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | apples first shot were webapps afaik | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | no cnnectivity, no app starting | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | they soon found out that doesn't work | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | They quickly realized that sucked and introduced apps in ios 2 | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | And how many companies did the same mistake? Nokia | 12:51 |
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| MohammadAG | Symbian's ovi store and MeeGo's are full of shitty web apps | 12:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, meego and webapps? maybe maps and drive | 12:54 |
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| MohammadAG | No no no | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | Check the store | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | It's filled with rss feeds made into apps | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | an rss feed IS a web app | 12:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fremantle has fahrplan | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | But you don't have to fill the store with them! | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I have to say I like it, nevertheless | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | still fahrplan is not exactly what I'd call a webapp | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a python(?) app using a webservice | 12:57 |
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| merlin1991 | pretty much everything I used on the n900 required an internet connection | 12:58 |
| merlin1991 | the only real non web application I used was openoffice :D | 12:59 |
| merlin1991 | which I again used to check attached word docs on company mails, thus using an internet connection again | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, there's still a difference if you select IRC servers in xchat's own dialog, or if you have to download a dialog as html-code from web | 12:59 |
| flux | I used the gasoline consumption tracker tool | 12:59 |
| merlin1991 | yeah that's true | 13:00 |
| flux | haven't found one for n9 yet.. | 13:00 |
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| merlin1991 | flux: hit me up with the package name please :) | 13:02 |
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| Jaffa_ | Morning, all | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi Jaffa_ | 13:03 |
| flux | merlin1991, fuelpad | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa_: would you be willing to support my struggle to keep apps out of CSSU? It's a constant PITA users think CSSU should include this or that new app-replacement, usual rationale: "otherwise not enough users will test it" :-/ | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw even some devels are rather keen in that regard | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | Sigh, again? | 13:06 |
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| merlin1991 | hey Jaffa_ | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems sometimes common sense doesn't exactly take grip | 13:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a lot of this dispute all the time might get mitigated by creating a repo with "optional cssu" apps | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. apps / pkgs that are meant to augment CSSU regarding FOSS compliance, or any other nice-to-have augmented feature, but are not strictly needed for a CSSU update | 13:12 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I've been thinking about that aswell | 13:13 |
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| merlin1991 | when maemo.org swaps over to obs we can actually do that quite easily | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | not for all-thumb-system though ;-P | 13:14 |
| Sicelo | merlin1991: \o/ | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess for this visionary plan of freemangordon we need a DSSU | 13:15 |
| merlin1991 | and the d stands for? | 13:15 |
| Sicelo | D being what? | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | C++ | 13:15 |
| Sicelo | Developer | 13:15 |
| Sicelo | :D | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or whatever | 13:15 |
| merlin1991 | ah :D | 13:16 |
| merlin1991 | well again if we get a working obs it should be even easy todo an all thumb madness repo | 13:16 |
| merlin1991 | though I neither want to work on that nor bugfix that :D | 13:16 |
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| * DocScrutinizer neither | 13:17 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: D-angerous | 13:27 |
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| * Sicelo lol | 13:27 | |
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| Jaffa_ | DocScrutinizer: As long as the app can be sensibly installed through Extras (possibly with an option or secondary package to make it "replace" the core) in a way which also doesn't conflict with the CSSU, absolutely. | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, this is an example where Jaffa_'s definition seems doesn't get accepted: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-05-07.log.html#t2012-05-07T15:12:36 And here's my take on the paradigm: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-05-07.log.html#t2012-05-07T15:59:35 | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh hi, Jaffa | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 13:36 |
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| Jaffa | Silly nick thingy | 13:37 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: ivgalvez is running for the Community Council, so that could cause other problems of "ownership" in future. | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think council needs to understand what CSSU is about, and what it's NOT about | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | the basic question seems to be "who owns CSSU", as our approach of common sense doesn't pan out | 13:40 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: See SD69's suggestion of a Council-blessed "TSG for CSSU". | 13:40 |
| Jaffa | My questions of "where's this come from?" and "who decides?" was unanswered, AFAICT | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Agree entirely with your argument in that conversation, btw. | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks :-D | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: But I'll be similarly accused of being "out of touch", "not a CSSU developer", ... | 13:41 |
| dhbiker | hi there.... umm what is this tracker-indexer doing on startup ? >.< | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | indexing :-P | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. it rescans all your photos and other media | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: only reasonable strategy would be to offer proper ways to do stuff like the requested app replacements, without redefining CSSU purpose | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: maybe actually along my suggestion of a repo cssu-extras | 13:44 |
| HtheB | yo doc | 13:45 |
| HtheB | sup | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise eventually somebody *will* redefine CSSU to "experimental" | 13:45 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: But, AFAICT, there's not a dependency on the CSSU for either of the two apps mentioned. | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:46 |
| HtheB | been a while ago since ive talked with you | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi HtheB | 13:46 |
| HtheB | hi, sup | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine here | 13:46 |
| HtheB | nice | 13:46 |
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| HtheB | i made a video, donno if you already saw it though | 13:47 |
| HtheB | its a commercial, made it for a competition at work | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I suppose there _may_ be a need for a cssu-extras to facilitate the "replace the default with this" packages, due to conflicts with mp-* | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | also for mere purpose of categories for apps - though I'd rather publish a apps-backup.tgz that simply installs all the "recommended" apps from whatever repo | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | exploiting the restore function of backup app | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: So you'd have WC-2 in Extras which is installable by anyone. WC-2-mkdefault in cssu-extras which removed WC and swapped in WC-2 for its dbus/service/desktop functions | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | "install this 'package', open `backup`, select restore, select `CSSU-recommended-apps`, pick whatever you wnat from the list showing up" | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: kinda, yes | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I definitely hate the idea to forcefeed things like WC-2 on *all* maemo users (mind you it's been requested several times to make CSSU more public and recommend it to all users) | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that statement probably qualifies for "Captain Obvious at his best" | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | but since yesterday I'm not that sure anymore what's really obvious and what evidently isn't | 13:59 |
| Arkenoi | how long does n900 battery last working as 3g->wifi router? | 14:05 |
| merlin1991 | wtf is WC supposed to mean, water closet? :D | 14:06 |
| merlin1991 | ah world clock :D | 14:07 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer, Jaffa I don't think we'll get much more rewrites into cssu, I'd even go as far and say that we should move the replacements that are in place currently into their own repository | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: 2h? | 14:10 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Which rewrites are currently included? | 14:10 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Is it just Camera & Calculator? | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: ++++ | 14:10 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer: :-( hp veer is said to work 5+ hours | 14:11 |
| merlin1991 | camera-ui, calc, osso-applet-notificationlight, osso-applet-display, tv-out control | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: depends a LOT on your actual signal situation on 3G | 14:11 |
| * Arkenoi is thinking about buying a portable router or a smartphone but still don't know which is better | 14:11 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: look, TX power of GSM may be anything between 1mW and 2W, depending on your distance form BTS | 14:12 |
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| merlin1991 | btw if obs is finished I'd even suggest to move the replacemetns that are currently in into their own repo | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes! | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | my annoying rant since dunno when | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 14:13 |
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| merlin1991 | though I'm still pro writing those rewrites | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno, should I propose to "hijack" CSSU right here and now? Declare jaffa, merlin1991, MohammadAG, me as owners? | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | who are the "owners" actually | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: MAG | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | "nobody" | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | sadly I wasn't around when it all started so I can't comment on it :/ | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | I mean was there ever anything agreed who's responsible for CSSU in general? | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: A "Steering Group" indeed. But one created from the ground-up, rather than top-down. | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: MAG | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | MAG MAG MAG MAG MAG | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | MAG | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | :) | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | so in other words it's me now xD | 14:16 |
| teotwaki | Why, MAG not available anymore? | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | He did the work, and liased with X-Fade to get the repository setup. I was on the Council at the time and provided any management/assistance I could. | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | because mag is merly a public figure atm | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Pragmatically, current owners are those who can push to CSSU-testing and -stable | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Owners can be public figures | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | that'd be me and me | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | and mag for testing | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: any such bottom-up procedure needs a controlling instance on-top that decides on the proper bottom-up procedure | 14:17 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: For appropriate blue-sky solutionising? | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry? | 14:17 |
| teotwaki | Jaffa: too much management speak | 14:17 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: But, agreed, sounds like as CSSU grows it needs some continuity of "vision" | 14:17 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki: Force of habit | 14:17 |
| merlin1991 | btw Jaffa pushing to cssu is linked to these garage groups: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu-testing/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu-stable | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: To prevent "populist" moves like shipping the whole of Extras in CSSU as "someone might need $APP" | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:18 |
| merlin1991 | I'll try to see what I can get out of X-Fade next obs meeting | 14:18 |
| teotwaki | This is the age to harness vertical experiences and rapidly grow the CSSU as you streamline scalable ROI | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: And can anything get into -stable without going through -testing? | 14:18 |
| merlin1991 | Jaffa: technically yes, practically no because I don't upload anything that wasn't like that 1:1 in testing | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | more like "you get rnd(10) groups all claiming THEY implement the only true bottom-up formed TSG for CSSU" | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: So, the simple answer is that the current owners of the CSSU are you & MAG. | 14:19 |
| merlin1991 | I think | 14:19 |
| merlin1991 | +so | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Any TSG suggestion should come from you & MAG, and be fully bought into it, rather than coming from the Council. | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | It's your project. | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | Council can't do anything about that, as they can't do the work. | 14:20 |
| teotwaki | merlin1991: The CSSU needs to be ever-greened and given some personal bandwidth and facetime, on your account, that is. | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | Council only needs to get involved in deciding when to publicise it to "everyone" and helping in any way they can. | 14:20 |
| teotwaki | </bullshit management speak off> | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki: Only going forward | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | teotwaki: shutup! | 14:21 |
| teotwaki | aye aye, sorry I intervened | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it's official now: CSSU is owned by MohammadAG and merlin1991 | 14:22 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: That's what Garage says. Don't see how anyone could argue with it. | 14:22 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: If they want to expand that ownership, *they* can. | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | full ack | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: "ich weis wo dein haus wohnt, alter!" | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 14:23 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 14:23 |
| merlin1991 | hm makes me wonder, if my address is anywhere visible on the net | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | hihihi | 14:24 |
| merlin1991 | hah it isn't :D | 14:24 |
| merlin1991 | at least not on a quick google search | 14:25 |
| * merlin1991 forgot about dns whois | 14:26 | |
| merlin1991 | damn | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 14:26 |
| merlin1991 | though I must say hetzner is even worse | 14:26 |
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| merlin1991 | they registered an ipv6 range for me | 14:26 |
| merlin1991 | and added my friggin telephone number | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's what dead numbers are for | 14:28 |
| merlin1991 | well they used the one they have from me, where I couldn't put a dead one since they call to confirm your idendity when you rent the server :/ | 14:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | give them a call, they might fix it | 14:29 |
| merlin1991 | well it's too late for that | 14:29 |
| merlin1991 | what is on the net, stays on the net | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Or should I wlak over give them a visit on your behalf? ;-) | 14:30 |
| merlin1991 | make them headdesk by force ;) | 14:30 |
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| teotwaki | haha, anyone remember the Maemo meeting we had at Southbank in London, few years ago? | 14:31 |
| teotwaki | The one where Gary used the N900 to display texts on walls, that could be moved around by the person holding the N900? | 14:32 |
| teotwaki | Well, that building has been named as one of the top 10 ugliest buildings in the world... | 14:32 |
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| merlin1991 | rofl | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I suggest to include jaffa to any TSG team you probably want to nominate | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I'd not be averse as well to get nominated) | 14:35 |
| merlin1991 | I don't think we need a formal TSG | 14:36 |
| merlin1991 | the informal one has been working well enough imo | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think we do, for sake of clear statements in case of "hostile takeover" of any form | 14:36 |
| merlin1991 | in case of a hostile takeover we'd be fucked with or without TSG | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 14:38 |
| merlin1991 | since basically nobody can take over cssu unless they get access to the server | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm talking about stuff like http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-05-07.log.html#t2012-05-07T16:03:56 | 14:38 |
| merlin1991 | and if they get that we're out of the queue anyway | 14:38 |
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| merlin1991 | I think we're better of if we provide a "rewrites" repo aswell and keep everyone happy instaed of starting some non needed management system that if anything slows us down | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't suggest to *start* any system. Just *declare* existence of such | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | A separate repo does sound good | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all ack for the rest of your rationale | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all it's exactly my suggestion | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I also agree our operation mode worked quite fine so far | 14:41 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm skeptical about TSGs | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | We'vw | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | We've seen how MeeGo performs | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: we already have that TSG, based on meritocracy and who's shouting the loudest ;-D | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | it worked so far | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | problem is it's not visible to the outside | 14:43 |
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| teotwaki | so, who cares? | 14:43 |
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| teotwaki | How long has CSSU been going now? 2 years? | 14:44 |
| merlin1991 | teotwaki: manly tmo ;) | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ivgalvez did, teotwaki | 14:44 |
| teotwaki | CSSU has been visible for anyone who looked hard enough | 14:44 |
| teotwaki | Yet, nobody has really been that involved | 14:44 |
| teotwaki | So fuck 'em | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU is visible, any "TSG" is not | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | so ivgalvez comes in and happily redefines the purpose and meaning of CSSU | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | assuming CSSU is owned by "community" | 14:45 |
| teotwaki | oh, and by the way, fucking BioWare... It's a bloody public holiday in France, and they've decided to shut down the servers from 9AM till 1PM. | 14:45 |
| joga | eh | 14:45 |
| joga | server needs a holiday too? | 14:45 |
| chem|st | hehe | 14:45 |
| joga | in .fi the railway company has a webshop that is closed at night | 14:46 |
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| teotwaki | I got an intern for a couple of months | 14:47 |
| teotwaki | At some point, he went "I'll just reboot this server, yar?" | 14:47 |
| teotwaki | "Wait, what server?", his reply "I dunno, fr-102...<servername>" | 14:47 |
| teotwaki | The kid was about to reboot a production server which was serving just over a thousand voip communications | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | For any particular reason? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hihi | 14:48 |
| teotwaki | SpeedEvil: he wanted to see if his changes worked | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:49 |
| teotwaki | he didn't do his full two months | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing compared to rebooting a CIM production server and cause 1500 workers having a looong coffee break | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | My brother shut down a factory in mexico for the day. | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 14:50 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: considering every one of those conversations was with a callcentre agent, I'm not so sure :P | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah yes | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost same then | 14:50 |
| teotwaki | also, fun fact | 14:50 |
| teotwaki | we hired a new guy in the production team | 14:51 |
| teotwaki | he was checking some traffic routing, to see how our network was laid out | 14:51 |
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| teotwaki | he didn't understand why calls that arrived in Paris went through our London, Madrid and Milan datacentres before going back to Paris. | 14:51 |
| teotwaki | And we wondered why he had such massive bandwidth bills. | 14:52 |
| teotwaki | s/he/we/ | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, what's the punch line? | 15:23 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: incoming call: paris, outpoint, paris | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably your network actually shouldn't route trffic once around the globe | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so the guy discovered a poor config of your routing? | 15:24 |
| teotwaki | aye | 15:24 |
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| lardman | hi chaps | 15:34 |
| lardman | what are the thoughts re the Tizen dev devices? | 15:34 |
| * lardman wonders if Samsung will become more Linux friendly with their other devices too | 15:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Tizen is hilarious. | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are my thoughts. | 15:36 |
| lardman | hey GAN, long time no see, I hope you're well | 15:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer moos at GeneralAntilles | 15:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well enough. | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything new and exciting in the world, lardman? | 15:36 |
| lardman | The one positive is that it actually has some devices at least in dev-only mode | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi lardman | 15:36 |
| * RST38h_ wonders if Samsung will become the only smartphone manufacturer other than Apple | 15:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h_, seems unlikely. | 15:37 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: daughter now 8 months old, still not sleeping, but very happy otherwise (her parents slightly less so until caffeine has taken effect ;)) | 15:37 |
| lardman | hi Doc | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | Moo lardman & GeneralAntilles | 15:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles sneezes, coughs, and chokes. | 15:38 | |
| lardman | hi MohammadAG | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why does the sick always come on when you get time off. | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | g'nite johnboy, errr hi MohammadAG | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is everybody going to watch the Tizen stream today? | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, lol, don't date yourself. | 15:39 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: because when you have time off you drink to excess? | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe. No, that's only during conferences. :P | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: (why does the sick...) there's a scientific explanation for that, around corticoids ceated when under stress | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | Hi DocScrutinizer, been here for a while :p | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | the opposite but similar effect causes pregnant women never catching the flu | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | Punchline, get pregnant | 15:42 |
| lardman | yeah but there's a downside at the end of the 9 months ;) | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 15:43 |
| lardman | catching flu that is, not having a baby who doesn't sleep :D | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | Get pregnant again | 15:43 |
| lardman | how much caffeine is considered dangerous.....? | 15:44 |
| lardman | ;) | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll know when it starts getting dangerous ;-) | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Caffeine turns me into a maniac. | 15:45 |
| lardman | hmm, I see Tizen is HTML5 only, no Qt, on EFL, urgh | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Soo, very little. | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, yeah, thusly the hilarity. | 15:45 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: better get in training for when you have a baby | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | I hate coffee | 15:45 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: the one bonus being that one will hopefully have a device with a fully working kernel + drivers | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, yeah, we'll see. ;) | 15:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how *the baby* manages to stay awake all the time without caffeine | 15:46 | |
| lardman | via her mother? | 15:46 |
| lardman | no, she does sleep lots, just wakes up every couple of hours | 15:46 |
| lardman | which makes for pretty broken sleep for the rest of us | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | Tranquilizer :p | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | Not for the baby though | 15:47 |
| Termana | lardman, what lesson have we learned today? Never leave your child with anyone from #maemo | 15:47 |
| lardman | Termana: I think that was a given though really ;) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, you can't start soon enough to make yiur kids get used to psychopharmaca | 15:48 |
| Termana | :p | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Termana, stating the obvious. | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Figments of lardman's imagination make terrible sitters. | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | Also, don't leave your kids unattended on #maemo | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | Kick Termana | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm, I wonder what iOS emojis look like on irc | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | ➡⬅ | 15:49 |
| Termana | I think there is still a question no one has answered. Will it blend? | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 15:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles contemplates breakfast. | 15:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: spark gap? | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | What? | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ➡⬅ | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | Those are two arrows for me | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | 🔫 | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | GUN! | 15:51 |
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| * DocScrutinizer *yawn* | 15:52 | |
| lardman | I just get a little square thingie | 15:52 |
| lardman | no need for any characters above code 127 in my book | 15:52 |
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| MohammadAG | Heh | 15:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Boo | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 15:58 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, running openwrt? :> | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | this rev is not supported | 15:59 |
| psycho_oreos | bleh | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HAH (OT, DIR615 hw-rev:D3) http://www.linuxcrew.de/blog/2010/08/25/dd-wrt-auf-d-link-dir-615-hw-rev-d3-installieren/ | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: ^^ | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: thanks for making me check again | 16:39 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, heh nw, though if your version is D3, its noted on openwrt as supported via manual build only | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 16:42 |
| psycho_oreos | err mostly supported :) | 16:43 |
| psycho_oreos | I stand corrected, though I can't read much German I suppose DD-WRT would probably have better support than openwrt for that specific hardware | 16:43 |
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| RST38h_ | Hehe: http://gizmodo.com/5908496/the-best-display-under-bright-light-its-not-your-iphone | 17:50 |
| RST38h_ | Surrrprise | 17:50 |
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| k273 | hi guys | 18:22 |
| k273 | what is the use of /usr/lib/trackerd anyway? | 18:22 |
| k273 | thankx | 18:22 |
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| chem|st | k273: it is indexing all "user"-files like images and audio | 18:23 |
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| k273 | I see chem|st | 18:25 |
| chem|st | k273: after a reboot or messing with your sd card or exporting USBmassstorage it will start tracker-indexer and eat your device for a while | 18:25 |
| k273 | so it's normally taking 99 percent cpu use and 15 ram use for every boot | 18:25 |
| k273 | yes | 18:25 |
| k273 | thanks a lot chem|st | 18:25 |
| chem|st | k273: just dont boot! | 18:25 |
| k273 | eat the device is half of the problem | 18:25 |
| k273 | it eats the battery also | 18:26 |
| k273 | lol ch | 18:26 |
| k273 | lol chem|st | 18:26 |
| chem|st | k273: booting does that too | 18:26 |
| chem|st | k273: your device offline and idle for 8 hours is some about one bootup | 18:27 |
| chem|st | this includes trackerd eating your device for >10seconds at boot | 18:28 |
| k273 | I see | 18:28 |
| chem|st | so do not reboot if not necessary | 18:28 |
| k273 | sadly it's necessary to change my battery every some hours or so | 18:29 |
| chem|st | once in a while restarting hildon-home might be neccessary | 18:29 |
| chem|st | k273: what are you doing? | 18:29 |
| k273 | just because my usb/charger port broke | 18:29 |
| k273 | lol | 18:29 |
| chem|st | ouch | 18:29 |
| k273 | restarting hildon-home thru terminal? | 18:29 |
| chem|st | ok I see | 18:30 |
| k273 | ok | 18:30 |
| chem|st | yeah, I setup a script doing that | 18:30 |
| chem|st | it is still eating up RAM after a while, without any 3rdparty widgets | 18:31 |
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| k273 | cool, chem|st | 18:34 |
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| k273 | thanks for the info, chem|st | 18:44 |
| k273 | =) | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | k273: you can instruct tracker to not do this re-indexing when on battery | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply reduce the amount of CPU it allocates | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are some screws to adjust, in tracker config | 18:45 |
| cehteh | an some glitches :) | 18:46 |
| cehteh | iirc it ignored the 'not on battery' settings here .. also it wont stop when you unplug from charger | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | has some bugs, yeah | 18:46 |
| k273 | DocScrutinizer: cehteh: I see | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | some of those should be fixed in latest CSSU-T, courtesy javispedro | 18:47 |
| cehteh | its long ago i gave up on it :) | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least the ignore-"ignore" bug | 18:47 |
| cehteh | well the device is meanwhile stable enough that i dont have to reboot daily so tracker runs rarely | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can see how it hurts when you swap battery | 18:48 |
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| cehteh | need dual-battery phone :) | 18:50 |
| cehteh | 5 nines smartphone :P | 18:50 |
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| k273 | need n900 with 12 cell laptop batt XD | 18:53 |
| cehteh | reliable hotswap would be fine already | 18:54 |
| cehteh | (i mean official, not doc's hack) | 18:54 |
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| chem|st | cehteh: cigs back would be enough for me... | 18:56 |
| k273 | how much more time do maemo community will support n900? if for years ahead, I can see myself buying maybe 2 or 3 more used n900 | 18:56 |
| cehteh | community is possibly not the problem .. of course the updates will come slower and slower | 18:57 |
| chem|st | k273: most of the cool stuff doesn't need anything... so go ahead and buy another one! | 18:57 |
| cehteh | but with nokia bankrupt next months the server might just become switched off :P | 18:57 |
| k273 | very true, chem|st | 18:58 |
| chem|st | cehteh: everything is mirrored | 18:58 |
| k273 | where? | 18:58 |
| chem|st | someone has it on his harddrive I would assume! | 18:58 |
| chem|st | I should just mirror it for good... | 18:59 |
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| k273 | =) | 19:03 |
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| k273 | gotta go guys, thanks for the help! | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you're aware of CSSU? | 20:22 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: have it installed, but didnt tried to reconfigure trackerd for 1.5 years | 20:49 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, you may want to install lxde in kubuntu, it is as fast as maemo, unbelieveable | 20:58 |
| Pali | freemangordon, ok | 20:58 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, have in mind you have to enable universe repo in /etc/apt/sources.list | 20:59 |
| Pali | I know kubuntu, I'm using it for 6 years :) | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | ok, ok :) | 21:00 |
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| Tofe | Hi ! | 21:06 |
| Tofe | I wondered, what do people usually use to take screenshots on the N900 ? | 21:06 |
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| Tofe | Is there a builtin shortcut ? | 21:07 |
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| fizzie | Ctrl-shift-P, isn't it? | 21:08 |
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| merlin1991 | fizzie: yep | 21:10 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, bluetooth ad2p with simultaneous wifi is pretty tragic | 21:10 |
| Tofe | thanks ! | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | seems to cut out when afh is reconfigured | 21:13 |
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| ShadowJK | .. and also if there's any nontrivial amount of wifi traffic | 21:18 |
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| Pali | is bluetooth a2dp apt-x codec supported on linux? | 21:45 |
| Pali | ShadowJK, do you know someting about apt-x? | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's 'coexistence' | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never wrapped my head around prioritisation in hw-coexistence | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess - also from what you said - that WLAN simply mutes BT | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you should be able find details in WLAN chip's datasheet, if that's available somewhere meanwhile. Also in BT chip's | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe it simply doesn't work on N900, due to one wire routing into a parallel universe | 22:58 |
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| ltltoutltclaet | DocScrutinizer: We should install exherbo on a N900 | 23:05 |
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| ShadowJK | Argh | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | Someone called an N900 autoanswered while on bluetooth? wtf | 23:25 |
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| ShadowJK | man | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | a coworker has same headset | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | with a symbian phone | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | really shows how inferior N900's phone capabilities are, | 23:36 |
| Sicelo | no setting on N900 for auto-answer? | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | not by default | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | i think I must've hit answer by accident when picking phone out of pocket to figure out why music stopped | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | the symbian phone seems much better at this | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | he can push button on headset, say "messages", and it starts reading sms | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | and even saying "web" works | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | impressively voice recog works in 100dB ambient noise | 23:40 |
| Sicelo | personally i never understood why there was so much hate for symbian. :\ | 23:41 |
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| * Sicelo pats his Nokia N-Gage, with a download manager supporting resume, and other goodies :P | 23:43 | |
| ShadowJK | well | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | it does a few specific things well | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | but if you want to add stuff or write stuff for it, it's like Nokia and Symbian are saying NO! and smacking you in the face with a slice of lemon wrapped around a tungsten brick | 23:48 |
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| Sicelo | you mean now? or before? | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | don't know about now, but atleast in S60 days | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | (before they rebranded it as plain symbian) | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | (and then after that they rebranded as Nokia Anna/Nokia Belle) | 23:54 |
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| Sicelo | gotcha. there was some creative stuff going though in the S60 days. and i really tend to agree with those who feel that S80 shouldn't have been killed at the time it was killed. | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | But still, even today things like Openvpn on even N9 seem problematic, let alonr on Symbian | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | on Nokia symbian phones you get "Mobile VPN", which of course is incompatible with everything else and requires hugely expensive servers | 23:55 |
| Arkenoi | the problem with s80/s60 switch was that all keyboard shortcuts were killed among with s80, s60 was primarily targeted for 12-key phones and nothing was done to fill the gap | 23:56 |
| Sicelo | yeah, my 9300i had that. and some BlackBerry stuff, which i never used | 23:56 |
| Arkenoi | first problem | 23:56 |
| Arkenoi | second problem is that s80 was open system and backup was just filesystem image | 23:56 |
| Sicelo | hmm, how's that a problem? | 23:57 |
| Arkenoi | for s60, there were futile attempts to "protect" the device from its owner and the first obvious result was that backups were all messed up | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | I vaguely remember that one of the most popular apps on S60 had to hold a community fundraiser so that the devwlopers could afford the fees and costs of keeping their app installable on phones | 23:57 |
| Sicelo | ah | 23:57 |
| Sicelo | :P | 23:57 |
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| Sicelo | ShadowJK: that started with version 3 iirc.. that's why i never wanted, or even got to own a symbian device with S60v3 or higher | 23:58 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah I only had S60v3 phones | 23:59 |
| Sicelo | ah. :) | 23:59 |
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