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| MohammadAG | chem|st, I think it's better this thread gets closed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1202707#post1202707 | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OT: haha http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/t9qxy/reaching_the_limits_of_adobe_stupidity/c4kswc6 | 00:18 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, I have a problem with kernel configuration. I get "not found" for kernel-config commands | 00:20 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm running kp50 | 00:21 |
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| bennypr0fane | just installed kernel-power-settings 0.14 | 00:22 |
| bennypr0fane | I wanted to check the configuration and save QCPUfreq settings | 00:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs, shrugs, turns away | 00:23 | |
| * bennypr0fane is wondering whether away from him or the world | 00:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer | from anything smelling like OC | 00:24 |
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| bennypr0fane | well am I at least allowed to talk about it by now? | 00:25 |
| bennypr0fane | Or is it still customary in here to get bounced just for asking about it? | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know why both kernel-power ans kp-settings are still around? Because each devel could point at the other app being the one causing damage to your device | 00:26 |
| bennypr0fane | ...about my question? | 00:27 |
| bennypr0fane | (the last one) | 00:27 |
| freemangordon | kernal-config show? | 00:27 |
| freemangordon | *kernel-config | 00:28 |
| bennypr0fane | I was asking whether I'm allowed to ask about this topic | 00:28 |
| bennypr0fane | or it will get me banned to do so | 00:28 |
| freemangordon | Don't think so | 00:28 |
| bennypr0fane | I was also called names last times | 00:28 |
| bennypr0fane | for no reason | 00:28 |
| bennypr0fane | *last time | 00:29 |
| bennypr0fane | so will it do damage to my device if I *show* the curretn configuration? | 00:29 |
| freemangordon | no | 00:29 |
| freemangordon | do (as root) kernel-config show | 00:30 |
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| bennypr0fane | ok, it was sudo | 00:30 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 00:31 |
| bennypr0fane | it didn't think of that bc output was just "not found" | 00:31 |
| freemangordon | bennypr0fane, no it is "root", and after getting # - kernel-config show | 00:32 |
| bennypr0fane | I thought it was supposed to give me a hint that I needed to be root | 00:32 |
| bennypr0fane | the thing of when sudo is necessary and when it's not still eludes me sometimes | 00:33 |
| bennypr0fane | however, I'm pretty sure people use kernel-power not just for oc'ing | 00:34 |
| bennypr0fane | changing subject: I can't get a GPS fix, ever - no matter in what application. Any hints where I might start to look for the problem? | 00:39 |
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| freemangordon | bennypr0fane, change sever to supl.google.com | 00:41 |
| freemangordon | *server | 00:41 |
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| bennypr0fane | is that in the general settings? | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | settings->location | 00:44 |
| bennypr0fane | thanks! | 00:44 |
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| peterbjornx | gps server? | 00:52 |
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| bennypr0fane | still can't seem to get a fix... | 00:56 |
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| bennypr0fane | btw freemangordon, are there plans for building a portrait virtual keyboard into CSSU? | 00:57 |
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| bennypr0fane | yay! my gps is back, finally! | 00:59 |
| * spark666 is happy whit the new kernel and tweaks ! :D | 01:00 | |
| MrPingu | No there aren't plans AFAIK, however I would love to see a good portrait vkb... | 01:00 |
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| bennypr0fane | MrPingu you sure aren't the only one | 01:01 |
| bennypr0fane | I would even content myself with just getting an answer for once, even if it's just "no, not gonna happen", it would be better than just getting ignored... | 01:03 |
| * bennypr0fane also loves the new kernel specifically because the bluetooth headset issue is finally taken care of | 01:03 | |
| spark666 | bennypr0fane: and i overclocked it to 850 | 01:04 |
| spark666 | :D | 01:04 |
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| MrPingu | benny0fane , l I think I can answer that. I believe I read somewhere that it won't happen. | 01:05 |
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| bennypr0fane | another question been bothering me: is there going to be real portrait mode for all the stock apps in CSSU? | 01:05 |
| bennypr0fane | MrPingu where was thaT? | 01:05 |
| spark666 | i hate the protrait ways of cssu,i wish i could have rotation again just in faster app manager contacts and phone calls oohh and browser | 01:06 |
| spark666 | i hate when my desktop rotates | 01:06 |
| spark666 | :P | 01:06 |
| bennypr0fane | real portrait mode at least in Conversations would be awesome. And media Player, maps... (oh wait that's closed source - again!) | 01:06 |
| bennypr0fane | spark666 but you can, it's easy | 01:07 |
| bennypr0fane | just lock autorotate in CSSU settings | 01:07 |
| spark666 | bennypr0fane: teach me :D | 01:07 |
| spark666 | ohh | 01:07 |
| spark666 | thats what i do lol | 01:07 |
| spark666 | but it blcks all | 01:07 |
| spark666 | i want just the default ones to rotate like in default pr 1.3 :P | 01:08 |
| bennypr0fane | u mean it also keeps phone and browser form roatating? | 01:09 |
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| spark666 | yes if i use the status bar shortcut to block rotation | 01:09 |
| bennypr0fane | try power button menu>cssu features | 01:10 |
| bennypr0fane | if there isn't a sinple way to set it in there, I'm sure there is a way to make it the way you want it | 01:11 |
| spark666 | i have just 2 options for rotation there,the axis and for apps | 01:11 |
| spark666 | none for desktops and stuffs,or to choose what to rotate and what not | 01:12 |
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| bennypr0fane | if under "rotation" you set "applications" to "default", it should do as you want | 01:13 |
| spark666 | its set to default and still my desktop rotates and other things i dont want | 01:14 |
| bennypr0fane | hmmm | 01:14 |
| bennypr0fane | have you searched the forums? | 01:15 |
| MrPingu | It's a gconf value that needs to be changed | 01:15 |
| MrPingu | *My internet is cactus | 01:15 |
| spark666 | MrPingu: humm didnt think about that | 01:15 |
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| MrPingu | spark666, I believe it's covered on the cssu features wiki ;) | 01:16 |
| MrPingu | Btw which flavour are you on? T or S? | 01:17 |
| spark666 | yes MrPingu but i tought that are by default for pr1.3 | 01:17 |
| bennypr0fane | spark666 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features | 01:17 |
| spark666 | testing | 01:17 |
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| spark666 | i like bleeding edge :D | 01:18 |
| MrPingu | Second last item from the link bennypr0fane gave ;) | 01:19 |
| bennypr0fane | Disable rotation of desktop gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/desktop_orientation_lock -t bool true | 01:19 |
| spark666 | humm | 01:19 |
| MrPingu | Me too, but I don't like unstable software | 01:19 |
| bennypr0fane | spark666 best go through the whole page, it should give you a solution for all rotation settings | 01:20 |
| MrPingu | However I don't mind testing so every now and then and I know my way round so I am on testing too ;) | 01:20 |
| spark666 | humm MrPingu what linux distro u use? | 01:20 |
| MrPingu | hehe backtrack :P | 01:21 |
| spark666 | :P | 01:21 |
| MrPingu | Runned 2 months ubuntu but I didn't like it at all | 01:21 |
| spark666 | i dont like ubuntu either | 01:22 |
| spark666 | i test them all i guess | 01:22 |
| MrPingu | Now I am at OSX, and damn what a strange OS... | 01:22 |
| spark666 | the most beautifull was arch linux and now im on gentoo that rocks :d | 01:22 |
| spark666 | osx its nice but to closed source :P | 01:23 |
| bennypr0fane | omg arch linux did that not take you forever to set up? | 01:23 |
| spark666 | nope | 01:23 |
| spark666 | arch it fast it has binary pkgs | 01:23 |
| peterbjornx | gentoo is slow when installing | 01:23 |
| peterbjornx | its a source distro | 01:23 |
| MrPingu | I had problems with arch, gave me troubles at post-install | 01:24 |
| spark666 | it takes a while to installdrivers and all couse you have to do it whit ur hand from console | 01:24 |
| peterbjornx | i always used SuSE | 01:24 |
| ThreeM | mint :) | 01:24 |
| peterbjornx | but current opensuse just sucks | 01:24 |
| MrPingu | No OSX is kinda clumsy with windows | 01:24 |
| ThreeM | mint debian edition | 01:24 |
| spark666 | MrPingu: anytime you want i can give you a hand | 01:24 |
| ThreeM | and im happy with it | 01:24 |
| bennypr0fane | gotta say the wiki section for cssu is a bit out of date | 01:25 |
| MrPingu | After my Exams I will have a play again with arch | 01:25 |
| * bennypr0fane uses bodhi linux on laptop | 01:25 | |
| spark666 | ThreeM: that was my fav mint :X | 01:25 |
| MrPingu | last week I loaded a usb with live OpenSuSe ;) | 01:25 |
| ThreeM | runs pretty good atm | 01:25 |
| bennypr0fane | and SUSE on desktop, got really frustrateds | 01:25 |
| bennypr0fane | I want things to just work out of the bpox as mcuh as possible | 01:26 |
| bennypr0fane | not the case with suse | 01:26 |
| MrPingu | Still I thing I am indoctrinated by windows :P | 01:26 |
| spark666 | for me it matters very much to be in control and to learn from it | 01:26 |
| MrPingu | * I think | 01:26 |
| bennypr0fane | MrPingu what you mean by indoctrinated | 01:26 |
| MrPingu | That I am still most productive at windows and I think it's still the best desktop OS | 01:27 |
| bennypr0fane | hmmm | 01:27 |
| MrPingu | (if you reinstall it every 6 months) | 01:28 |
| peterbjornx | i gotta admit, my primary OS is windows too | 01:28 |
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| peterbjornx | just cause else i'd have to use mac osx | 01:28 |
| ThreeM | winodws 7 is my secondary os, just to load some games and for videoediting | 01:28 |
| bennypr0fane | Windows is just more mature in office productivity | 01:28 |
| bennypr0fane | and you do get much more "works-ootb" | 01:28 |
| spark666 | btw | 01:29 |
| MrPingu | Yeah and as I am still at highschool and we are forced to use microsoft office | 01:29 |
| spark666 | do i need to reboot my phone after that gconf command?lol | 01:29 |
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| bennypr0fane | spark666 not if it's not in the wiki | 01:29 |
| MrPingu | only restart hildon-desktop I think | 01:29 |
| spark666 | now it doesnt have any effect | 01:30 |
| spark666 | so better ill restart | 01:30 |
| spark666 | :p | 01:30 |
| MrPingu | OSX offers office too, but I just don't like it. Always fighting with lost windows :P | 01:30 |
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| MrPingu | Windows getting behind other windows, not minimalizing | 01:31 |
| bennypr0fane | Yeah, just that the most advanced Office solution for OSX is MS Office | 01:31 |
| bennypr0fane | That's the great thing about Linuxes, you can have exactly your way | 01:32 |
| MrPingu | Only, it takes time to set up... | 01:32 |
| bennypr0fane | you can just make the desktop behave as you want it to | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | bennypr0fane: As long as you never update | 01:32 |
| bennypr0fane | SpeedEvil update what? | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | bennypr0fane: For example, ubuntu's latest UI change | 01:33 |
| peterbjornx | jsut apt-get install gnome-desktop | 01:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | depends on your distro really | 01:33 |
| bennypr0fane | Precise Unity is supposed to be much improved | 01:33 |
| peterbjornx | and use gnome classic :) | 01:33 |
| ThreeM | i like gnome-shell :) | 01:33 |
| peterbjornx | *apt-get install gnome | 01:33 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm going to give Unity a chance | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | At some point, the deprecated shell tends to stop working (well) | 01:34 |
| MrPingu | Why has the menu for launching an app have to cover more that 3/4 of the screen? | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Every single interface has to be designed to be used by a 3 year-old on a 2" screen | 01:35 |
| MrPingu | Give me just the small startbutton and a text menu haha | 01:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | also is it just me or are the buttons in youtube's player absent on N900 since a few days back? | 01:35 |
| MrPingu | Idk, I use cutetube | 01:36 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hmm | 01:37 |
| spark666 | didnt worked :( | 01:38 |
| spark666 | told you that article its deprecated :P | 01:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | it would be nice if the terminal somehow remembered your commands in a way that made it possible to tabcomplete more than just the command (i.e. the params as well) | 01:38 |
| MrPingu | ~jrtools | 01:39 |
| infobot | i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 01:39 |
| MrPingu | gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false | 01:40 |
| bennypr0fane | spark666 I think you need the changed settings before you restart | 01:40 |
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| bennypr0fane | *need to save the | 01:40 |
| spark666 | huh? | 01:40 |
| spark666 | in cssu setting gui? | 01:40 |
| bennypr0fane | no | 01:41 |
| bennypr0fane | in terminal | 01:41 |
| spark666 | how? | 01:41 |
| MrPingu | Or you can install gconf editor to have a gui | 01:41 |
| MrPingu | It's a bit like regedit | 01:42 |
| spark666 | i know to use that command,but how to save it? | 01:42 |
| MrPingu | I told ya, been using windows too much XD | 01:42 |
| spark666 | lol :P | 01:42 |
| spark666 | brb to make a coffee | 01:42 |
| spark666 | :D | 01:42 |
| MrPingu | Need some sleep | 01:42 |
| MrPingu | instead of coffee, atleast that would be better | 01:43 |
| spark666 | :P | 01:43 |
| bennypr0fane | spark666 Applying the changes to transitions.ini | 01:43 |
| bennypr0fane | Some of these changes (taskswitcher, zaxisrotation, forcerotation) apply as soon as you save the file, while others (blurless) require you to restart hildon-desktop. You can do so by turning the phone off and on again, or running as root: | 01:43 |
| bennypr0fane | killall hildon-desktop | 01:43 |
| bennypr0fane | This will kill the hildon-desktop process, and it will be automatically restarted with the changed settings loaded and applied. Be sure not to "killall hildon-desktop" too often in a row (like several times in one minute), or the system will restart (nothing dangerous, though - just an annoyance). | 01:43 |
| bennypr0fane | quoting from Wiki | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo -e '#!/bin/sh\ngconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false" >/usr/local/bin/lockCSSUrotation; chmod +x /usr/local/bin/lockCSSUrotation | 01:44 |
| bennypr0fane | MrPingu I'm actually going for coffee | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | spark666: ^^^ | 01:44 |
| MrPingu | Well I am going for sleep. only 5 and half hours left before I need to get up -.- | 01:44 |
| peterbjornx | lucky you | 01:45 |
| bennypr0fane | MrPingu then you better | 01:45 |
| peterbjornx | with the amount of homework i have left i dont think im going to get any sleep | 01:45 |
| bennypr0fane | good night | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | on cssu it shouldn't reboot the phone anymore | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I made this patched | 01:46 |
| MrPingu | haha peterbjornx, I know that kind of pressure :P | 01:46 |
| MrPingu | well, bye! | 01:46 |
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| * DocScrutinizer idly ponders to do for (i=0; i<6; i++); do killall hildon-desktop; sleep 3; done; | 01:47 | |
| bennypr0fane | c u guys, have a good one! | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: what's CSSU supposed to do now when HD keeps quitting? some fb shell? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh wait, we don't even need HD to open osso-xterm | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I suppose it should enter a terminal when you kill hildon-desktop too frequently | 01:50 |
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| spark666 | why i have the unknown at the end? | 02:30 |
| spark666 | $ uname -a | 02:30 |
| FIQ|n900 | uhm | 02:30 |
| spark666 | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power50 #1 PREEMPT Sun Mar 18 20:10:56 EET 2012 armv7l unknown | 02:30 |
| FIQ|n900 | "mcenfioptionstreeview" | 02:30 |
| FIQ|n900 | I have a feeling this is CSSU-related | 02:31 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hi, I'm searching for xsel for maemo but without luck, any hint? | 02:37 |
| LaoLang_cool | I've found it before... | 02:37 |
| LaoLang_cool | But I can't recall where it is | 02:37 |
| LaoLang_cool | ok, sorry for noise, I found it at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34550&page=257 :) | 02:38 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: closed... but you do not really support something like whatsapp? | 12:06 |
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| chem|st | lol the starting post is wonderful... | 12:12 |
| chem|st | "Whats different about whats app is that it allows >1 person to be involved in a conversation" thats just like apple claiming they brought videocalls to smartphones... | 12:14 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st: I may not support it but I certainly use it | 12:16 |
| chem|st | I read the Terms sometime ago... and if they didn't change nothing to use or even support for me | 12:18 |
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| spark666 | hey guys | 12:34 |
| spark666 | i ssh my laptop,and i messed up my n900 terminal resolution | 12:34 |
| spark666 | lol | 12:34 |
| spark666 | the font looks to big | 12:34 |
| spark666 | how can i revert it back | 12:34 |
| spark666 | ? | 12:34 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st: Whats wrong with them? | 12:37 |
| psycho_oreos | spark666, tried pressing the volume down button on the N900 whilst having X Terminal open? | 12:39 |
| spark666 | psycho_oreos: no i didnt :P let me try | 12:40 |
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| MohammadAG | Short circuits in physics suck | 12:40 |
| spark666 | psycho_oreos: tnx man it works,didnt knew about that option | 12:41 |
| psycho_oreos | heh nw | 12:41 |
| spark666 | and last night i had a error at boot,something like "malfuntion the device will shutdown in 10s" | 12:42 |
| spark666 | :-s | 12:42 |
| spark666 | im not sure if that were exactly the words but you get the idea | 12:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's no better solution than recalling what you did last that made the device prompt those words | 12:43 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: on a S60 device it showed due payment will be required after 12month of usage | 12:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | it sounds like you're either messing with some of the upstart scripts or something | 12:44 |
| spark666 | psycho_oreos: messing a bit whit cssu features and a couple of reboots :P | 12:44 |
| spark666 | and i remeber before that,the power kernel didnt loaded proper | 12:44 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: and it is the 1mth app using one and the same technology to do what? sending texts... | 12:44 |
| psycho_oreos | spark666, heh well one of the CSSU things you did might have triggered it albeit rare but it is possible | 12:45 |
| psycho_oreos | spark666, if power kernel didn't load properly, then that would usually cause bootloops or forced reboot imo | 12:45 |
| spark666 | but does it require a reflash ,or was a "once in a lifetinme problem"? | 12:45 |
| spark666 | no it works fine i didnt had that error again...yet :P | 12:46 |
| spark666 | now* | 12:46 |
| psycho_oreos | its hard to say, though if its constantly showing up that error, then a reflash to boot is required | 12:47 |
| spark666 | it happened only once till now,i hope it wont happen again | 12:48 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st: Ok and? It's clear whatsapp is free for one year | 12:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | spark666: you shouldn't overclock or undervolt or use SmartReflex | 12:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nothing in life is for free | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | Death is | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | arguably not in life ;-P | 12:52 |
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| MohammadAG | Or a blown tire to assist in that | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: http://twitter.com/MohammadAG/status/198301709427154944/photo/1 | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, a twitter URL | 12:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I should install a counter for time and traffic I wasted for showing that stupid bird an blank page | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCKU twitter | 12:55 |
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| topobot | hi | 12:55 |
| topobot | whats series 40? | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | something unrelated to topic of this channel anyway | 12:56 |
| topobot | is n900 part of series 40s? | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | Symbian feature phone OS | 12:56 |
| topobot | is it possible to develop with apis like nokia maps or location services on maemo? | 12:56 |
| ShadowJK | series 40 is not symbian | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API | 12:58 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK: afaik it's branded as that | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | Or not | 12:59 |
| ShadowJK | I challenge you to show it | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | Challenge lost | 12:59 |
| ShadowJK | S30 is dumbphone Nokia os, S40 is feature/dumbphone nokia os, S60 is Symbian "smartphone" os | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | for whatever metrics of smartphone | 13:01 |
| MohammadAG | Series 90 was called hildon? O_o | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I guess it still outsmarts winp7 | 13:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there's been an *awesome* story, if only I had bookmarked the link | 13:03 |
| ShadowJK | was s90 the touchphone thing they killed in 2002? | 13:03 |
| Kaadlajk | DocScrutinizer: MohammadAG: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/ | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES! this one | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks Kaadlajk | 13:04 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: S60 is just the userinterface | 13:04 |
| chem|st | s40 is an ui with its own os | 13:04 |
| topobot | so s40 is not smartphone? | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly | 13:06 |
| topobot | whats the difference between dumbphone and smartphone? | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and maemo is not s<anything> | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | look at the names! ;-) | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | generally you might say: dumbphones don't have apps to install | 13:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw it sems 'featurephone' is the accepted term | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict smartphone | 13:09 |
| infobot | could not find definition for smartphone | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | bwahahaha | 13:09 |
| chem|st | topobot: s40 is a "feature phone" ui, capable of more than texting and calling, like JavaApps and other stuff, a smartphone is more likely somemore advanced as the name tells, nowadays dumbphones are any which do not count into smartphones | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki smartphone | 13:09 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone (URL), Wikipedia explains: " A 'smartphone' is a mobile phone built on a mobile computing platform, with more advanced computing ability and connectivity than a feature phone.{{cite web |url=http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=131 |title=Smartphone |date= |publisher="Phone Scoop" |accessdate=2011-12-15}}{{cite web |url=http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=310 |title=Feature Phone |date= ... | 13:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | topobot: anyway, as it seems it needs to get mentioned, N900 is a mobile computing platform based on linux. Some even claim "N900 is NOT a phone" | 13:13 |
| topobot | :O | 13:13 |
| lartza_ | computer with a gsm chip | 13:13 |
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| topobot | why they dont still produce that kind of phones? | 13:14 |
| topobot | mobile computing platforms | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | YEAH WHY, NOKIA, WHY!!! | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nit | 13:15 |
| infobot | methinks nit is Nokia Internet Tablet | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | series of nit: 770, N800, N810, N900 | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 came with phone functions | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | still it's tagged NIT | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia obviously decided to discontinue NIT series | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the huge betrayal on community | 13:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer doesn't want a friggin N9 "smartphone", wnats A NIT! | 13:19 | |
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| dhbiker | *cough* N9 sux :P | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | donkleyballs | 13:19 |
| jaska | nit-pickers | 13:20 |
| dhbiker | seriously .. i rather use my N900 | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 13:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | at least you should deliberately type N9 with lowercase n to signify its insignificance to legacy NIT series | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | n9 | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's that ^ ? | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | heh its also greyed out, you used colouring? :) | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | meh | 13:22 |
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| MohammadAG | Awesome article | 13:31 |
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| Kaadlajk | MohammadAG: I especially liked that when I read the article couple of people passing by said that they worked on that Hildon device :-) | 13:34 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: reading the whole article it sounds like elop is payed for shutting down nokia for good ^^ | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | always been clear | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and he did a good job so far | 13:37 |
| chem|st | some psion executive with a lot of money getting revenge^^ | 13:38 |
| chem|st | or alike | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | I liked the part where they worried about the competition not being able to catch uo | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | Up | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | Kaadlajk: Oh, you're a Nokian? | 13:39 |
| Kaadlajk | MohammadAG: nope, I was a subcontractor | 13:39 |
| chem|st | they coud have killed of iphones in the year revealed but feared change... | 13:39 |
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| chem|st | they coud have killed of iphones in the year revealed but feared change... | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | Indeed | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia needs new management | 13:41 |
| chem|st | and a driving marketing campaign for n950s and n9s, and successors for both in 2012Q4 | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | Also, I need to start on my hooking platform today | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | But I can't figure out where hildon does the ecec | 13:42 |
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| MohammadAG | Exec* | 13:43 |
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| MohammadAG | The N9 was dead before it was announced | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia needs Maemo 7, even if it's just harmattan | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | Release a quad core 2GB RAM device with that, do marketing wisely, get companies developing for the platform | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | And you've gained your spot again | 13:45 |
| dhbiker | couldnt agree more | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | I know the specs aren't needed, but apparently people are buying according to what's on paper | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | FYI this could be done without Nokia | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | But the getting developers working on the platform would be impossible | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | see gta04.org | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | Commercial developers* | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | not only that | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | Mass production | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | the drama in all that: Nokia itself has no more competence for doing it, they fired all those who were capable to pull such thing | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | They can help themselves back DocScrutinizer | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | You can rehire people | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | not easy | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | The main problem is if they failed this plan | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | They're gone, for good | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's still a little niche thing | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | What is? | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | in metrics of Nokia capitalization | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia's as close to being dead as anyone can be | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | they literally have billions on their coffe cash | 13:51 |
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| MohammadAG | The only thing keeping them alive is licensing | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, not really | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | Well it's not WP7 for sure | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | they can fast for years and still are alive | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | billions! 10^9 | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | Then they can get themselves back where they were | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | EUR, not yen or lira | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | Problem is firing elop is bad now | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | Market-wise, stocks and stockholders would suffer | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, impossible to suffer more | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | And with elop, that Maemo 7 device won't happen | 13:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no matter Evilop or not, n9 / meego been a change in paradigm away from NIT towards "dumb smartphone" that basically killed the whole thing for me and some other people | 13:55 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Not really, the UI is attractive, have that on a renewed maemo 5 base and its an instant win | 13:56 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: thing is, everybody seems to be going that way | 13:56 |
| jacekowski | no keyboard | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | Exactly | 13:56 |
| jacekowski | just touchscreen | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCKIT | 13:56 |
| jacekowski | only samsung tried something different by adding s pen to note | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | You can't fsck it | 13:56 |
| jacekowski | RIM announced new smartphones without keyboard | 13:56 |
| * dhbiker buys used N900 and freezes it for the future | 13:57 | |
| psycho_oreos | apple inspired that idea, and if apple did it right (which they did), they've `revolutionalised' the market | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | well, hw keyboard takes up a lot of space | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | dhbiker: hehe, exactly what I'm just doing | 13:57 |
| dhbiker | xD | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | which could be observed on n900 | 13:57 |
| dhbiker | N950 has keyboard too... and its not that extra big | 13:58 |
| jacekowski | it's size is about the same as size of a brick | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | compared to N950? | 13:58 |
| jacekowski | and even it's the same shape | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski: The N900 could be much thinner with today's specs | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | and what about e7? | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: no, the other way round it's a true statement: vkbd uses a lot of screen space | 13:58 |
| dhbiker | DocScrutinizer: WORD! | 13:58 |
| jacekowski | well n950 is n900 on steroids | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | True, but that's up to UI developers to fix | 13:58 |
| * dhbiker wishes he had one | 13:58 | |
| psycho_oreos | and you *can* brick vkbd. I've done that before with n9 and because I have phone lock and no physical keyboard, I was literally screwed | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | I'm on an iPhone and the keyboard showing never annoyed me | 13:59 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: traitor | 13:59 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: leave the channel | 13:59 |
| dhbiker | jacekowski: damn you... i wanted to write that :( | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | Whereas on MeeGo and android, I had to close the keyboard to see sth behind it | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | PLUS I *hate* the fingerprints all over the screen | 14:00 |
| psycho_oreos | and don't forget, with vkbd, its entirely up to developers to implement whatever feature they want in the vkbd. You can write a program that prevents users from Copying and Pasting things for instance because there's no functionality implemented in hardware | 14:00 |
| jacekowski | well, you can't copy and paste in hw keyboard | 14:00 |
| jacekowski | unless it's implemented in software | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | you can capture ctrl and prevent cp too :p | 14:01 |
| psycho_oreos | not necessarily, as long as the base UI allows such functionalities to exist | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | iOS implements copy paste on a library basis | 14:01 |
| psycho_oreos | or well yeah that with hardware keyboard but not all developers would take extra notes in preventing copying and pasting from happening | 14:01 |
| jacekowski | yeah, but iOS sucks | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | So unless you design a new UI toolkit, you can't prevent cp | 14:01 |
| psycho_oreos | you don't have to look far in n9's shitty browser to see that you can't copy and paste shit inside | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski: I dare to say its better than android | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I *once* tried texting an SMS on a friend's iPhone. Almost killed the thing, it only survived because it's been a new gadget of my friend and I couldn't decide between smashing it into the wall or rather stomping at it | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | who brainwashed you? | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | Why? | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, swype on my android is OKish | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: nothing by apple is OK | 14:02 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: all things apple suck | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: you should remember that | 14:03 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: you are using whatsapp on an iPhone... selfexplanatory | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | Things change jacekowski | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | There are no alternatives | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i have to go now | 14:03 |
| psycho_oreos | even though you have N950 -._ | 14:03 |
| psycho_oreos | -.- | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | I still use that | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | And still devel for that | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | But I need either an iOS or android device for some apps | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | And I find ios way better than android | 14:04 |
| psycho_oreos | and you chose iOS | 14:04 |
| psycho_oreos | indeed ._. | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | Yes | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | "multitasking" | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | Why? | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski: A jailbroken iOS device is different from a stock one | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | you have to use itunes to manage | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | to manage it* | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | There are tweaks for that | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | i could live with all iOS problems | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | but itunes | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | I can go without iTunes for a month | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | worst piece of shitware you can think of | 14:05 |
| psycho_oreos | didn't you have to activate iphone with itunes before you can use it? | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | Or more, PwnTunes can import my songs into the stock iPod app | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | No, iOS 5 | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | You don't need iTunes for first start now | 14:06 |
| dhbiker | itunes even supports FLAC ? | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | No, ALAC | 14:06 |
| dhbiker | meh.. lame | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | Apple Lossless | 14:06 |
| dhbiker | yeah i know whats ALAC | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | You can convert between flac and ALAC without any loss of quality | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | While I would prefer flac tbh, but meh | 14:07 |
| psycho_oreos | and converting ALAC to something else once you lost your original copy of FLAC format? | 14:07 |
| chem|st | would you mind to stop iTalking? I vomitted already | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: Same as converting flac to something else | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | Both are lossless | 14:08 |
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| * psycho_oreos would so laugh if ALAC is that one way SCMS setup that Sory did awhile ago with their netMD stint and OMG format | 14:08 | |
| dhbiker | chem|st: nice... enjoy vomitting more :P | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ++ | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | Both are open source | 14:08 |
| psycho_oreos | but of different licensing schemes | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG | On the subject of ios vs android, I'm surprised everyone likes android more here | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: Apache | 14:09 |
| dhbiker | i dont | 14:09 |
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| dhbiker | android is meh | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck andridiot | 14:09 |
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| dhbiker | haha | 14:09 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd prefer android over iOS anyday but if android wasn't around then I'd prefer iOS over WP | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | I find jailbreaking a universal iOS version better than continuously looking for roms | 14:10 |
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| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: I mainly prefer one thing | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | All iOS devices get all releases at once | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | either I want a proper OS - I go with maemo5. OR I want a consumer-grade device where I have to trade my brain in for geekness - then I'd use iOS. | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | Everyone around the globe can upgrade to ios 5 at one point | 14:11 |
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| MohammadAG | Whereas ics is still not out for most devices | 14:11 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: I prefer using a dumbphone over any of those 3 and have my netbook glued to my bag again | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | And even for the ones that have ics, upgrading is a pain | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: ++ | 14:11 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, and they force iOS 4 down people's gullet like they did with their iphone 3G and iphone 3GS users.. and don't forget to block out the excessive noise that iphone owners cringe at their now slow ass performing iphone | 14:12 |
| chem|st | descent usage and $* power tweaks I get 2 days out of my netbook | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: You can stay on an older version | 14:12 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, meh extra luggage.. I hate extra luggage when I've got a proper laptop to boot with (though ancient and I'd rather lug around a newer laptop) | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | Saving SHSHs is better than looking for a good rom | 14:13 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, apparently that wasn't the case with iphone 3G and iphone 3GS owners having to face the *forced* update | 14:13 |
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| MohammadAG | iTunes forces you, you can skip that | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for "eeeew ma gaad, I neeeed an iPhone because this acme app is not available for anything else" PAH! Either this friggin acme app is available for normal desktop PC then I can run it on N900 as well (given the kind of apps we're discussing here) - or it's a BS app that actually is not available for anything but iPhone then it's not worth bothering | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Sometimes you need some apps | 14:14 |
| psycho_oreos | and don't forget, whilst apple may highly discourage the use of jailbreaking. It does not necessarily mean that they won't implement anti-jail breaking techniques as they've already filed numerous patents almost a year ago | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | no I don't | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | Like the app to access my bank account | 14:14 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: I had my netbook with me in my bag before I bought a n900, charging it in the same frequency I charge my n900 now... | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | Like waze, before it | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | Was ported | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | if your bank requires their customers to buy an iPhone to manage their account... :-x | 14:15 |
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| chem|st | having it as mp3player is fail for sure, but just because of the size... | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | They don't, mostly everyone has an iPhone or an android device | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | I havent seen an N900 for about a year | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | *I* do my bank account management via https://meine.deutsche-bank.de | 14:16 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, its still extra luggage to me at the end of the day.. had there been a decent N900 successor (and not the ill fated N950 which was only destined to developers with crippling hardware handicaps) there would've probably been a redundant necessity in one having a netbook for that instance imo | 14:16 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: I wouldn't trust apple in any terms of security... OSx saves clear-text-passwords next to the secured files... | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter if on PC or N900 | 14:16 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: true ;) | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st: the n900 did the same at some point | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | Probably android too | 14:17 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: I am waiting for nokia cutting elops testicles and announcing reopening maemo devel | 14:17 |
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| MohammadAG | Keep on waiting | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | That won't happen | 14:18 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, I'd say chances of that happening is zilch at this rate.. and before nokia will release anything useful before its death, it'll probably be a shitty ass dumbphone with limited capabilities | 14:18 |
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| MohammadAG | I don't see Nokia getting back on track in less than a year | 14:18 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: it started with reopening device seeding for Qt two weeks ago... qt is only needed for symbian and maemo/meego... | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | And bb | 14:19 |
| chem|st | sry reopening qt devel with device seeding... that way around | 14:19 |
| flux | (device seeding?) | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | (yeah, what?) | 14:19 |
| flux | what is device seeding? | 14:19 |
| flux | adding support for new devices? | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | Giving devices to devels | 14:20 |
| chem|st | flux: there will be some more n950s and n9s for developers | 14:20 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, and all three of those platforms that you've mentioned are none other than sinking platforms. symbian is going to get decapitated, maemo/meego faces death via stoning and mockery.. any takers? maybe wp? | 14:20 |
| flux | oh, they're doing that now again | 14:20 |
| flux | interesting. | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | N950s? You sure? | 14:20 |
| psycho_oreos | didn't they also hand out that lovely *cough* lumia to devels? | 14:21 |
| chem|st | flux: yeah, quim gil is back and started seeding questions on the maemo list | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | Developing for the N9/50 isn't as fun as it was for the N900 | 14:21 |
| psycho_oreos | not to mention neither the developers nor the end users were standing on the same base as it was with N900 | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: That was a gift | 14:21 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, a gift? lol | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | That's what the site said | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | I can sell it, legally | 14:22 |
| flux | a friend decided not to start using such a lumia due to the EULA | 14:22 |
| flux | apparently multiple screens before you get to use the device. | 14:22 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: some requested more '50s instead of n9s for community prizes after he asked about how to choose devels for seeding | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 14:22 |
| * psycho_oreos imagines people can soon smell the rotting carcass of lumia in a few months time | 14:23 | |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: Btw | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | Developing for the N900, I felt like people were interested | 14:23 |
| chem|st | are... still are! | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | I released a beta for sociality, and the only feedback I got was someone complaining something broke his stock facebook app | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | HARM is a brainkiller | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually paegis is | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and qtm | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | It was overclocking, and I spent a page saying ocing is bad and being convinced its not | 14:24 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, its a different atmosphere back then.. but with harmattan, its not so much the case that the end users and developers are on the exact same level of playing field. Which is ludicrous | 14:24 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: not true as several people in here replied with "awesome first shot" | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | So basically, I didnt get any feedback on the app itself, except from a couple of users | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st: Where? | 14:25 |
| chem|st | in here | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | Can you point me to logs, I wasn't around here back then | 14:25 |
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| chem|st | cannot remember if I said anything about but I remember someone atleast telling "cool" | 14:25 |
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| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: That's another thing, the lack of a proper distribution method sucks | 14:26 |
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| MohammadAG | Appsformeego is close to a store | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | could we move it to #harmattan maybe? | 14:26 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: I had a look myself and it looked promising! | 14:26 |
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| MohammadAG | And Nokia store is that | 14:26 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: he posted on the maemo list as he wants the good old maemo community | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | pretty obviously Nokia planned to earn their money with their OVI/whatever flavour of appstore rather than by selling cool hardware. That's what HARM is all about, from aegis over qtm pseudo-dalvik, to braindead missing repositories for devels | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | they even stated exactly that being their plans for the future, some time back | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | didn't pan out, obviously | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | so now they abandoned own ship and hope for a safe passage in some yet to be founded win/M$-ecosystem | 14:30 |
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| MohammadAG | That's also part our problem | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | There's no repo, make one | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | Then make an app manager | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, Nokia changed from "we don't need that so we don't support/ship it with maemo5" to "we don't need that so we don't allow it on meego paegis" | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I prefer the maemo5 paradigm | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | Aegis allows an app manager | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | There's fapman, it just needs a UI | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yayaya, HARM even allows openmode | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 14:42 |
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| jacekowski | aegis apparently can be defeated easitly | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | easily | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | because they use regexps to parse xml | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | That's not the point | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | For harmattan to have the same community the n900 had we need repos | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | For repos to work we need an appmanager | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd need developers that are brainwashed enough to use a DOA OS to develop on it | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | a hostile OS even | 14:44 |
| Macer | lol | 14:44 |
| Macer | he has a point | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | True | 14:45 |
| Macer | or you can use the old kernel for hw compatibility and make simething new | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I was somewhat sympathetic about HARM - even when neither UI nor hw had any appeal for me - until Evilop announced it will definitely not see any successor | 14:45 |
| Macer | backported to the.functional maemo kernel and make a new repo | 14:45 |
| Macer | evilop's wp7 phone is awesome ;) | 14:46 |
| Macer | i never understood what prevented the n900 community from taking the backport route | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | backport what? | 14:48 |
| Macer | mer had a good idea... was it the lack of modem functionality | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckng swipe UI? | 14:48 |
| Macer | to make a new os | 14:48 |
| Macer | or new ui | 14:48 |
| Macer | and restructure the base | 14:48 |
| Macer | so it wasnt a dead os | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc what you're talking about | 14:49 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: lumia fanatic %~) | 14:49 |
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| Macer | chem|st: yeah.. im sorry.. must be the functional phone talking | 14:49 |
| Macer | :) | 14:50 |
| chem|st | Macer: pls not again | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 has the most excellent voice call quality of any phone I ever used, both on GSM and SIP | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | a thing I heard isn't normal for N9 nor hooker | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nor C7 btw | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | or whatsitcalled | 14:52 |
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| Macer | who uses voice anymore? ;) | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | Siri | 15:01 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: touche | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | é* | 15:02 |
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| Guest13819 | help is meego fully fxnal on N900? | 15:19 |
| Sicelo | no | 15:19 |
| Guest13819 | wots d drawback? | 15:19 |
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| Sicelo | hmm.. south africa :/ | 15:26 |
| Sicelo | ah, no | 15:27 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Another thing about harmattan, Fremantle times irc was very helpful, now it's quiet | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | No really, I don't see answers for lots of people's questions on #harmattan | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | Whereas Fremantle times I learned development through answers on irc | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | Oh and hey timeless | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: ?? heya! | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | hey also timeless. | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah, autocomplete showed his nick when I typed time :p | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw: (OT) gta04 eventually with kbd: http://youtu.be/WM94%5fR5eKcc | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 17:00 |
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| * DocScrutinizer puts his N900 into holster, waves and heads out | 17:07 | |
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| Sicelo | :/ | 17:10 |
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| ltltoutltclaet | Sicelo: Is that a gun? | 17:19 |
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| Sicelo | lol ltltoutltclaet. | 17:31 |
| Sicelo | Nokia CP-408 | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Nokia now is building guns? | 17:32 |
| Sicelo | you never know. toilet paper started the whole thing, maybe guns will put it all to rest | 17:34 |
| Sicelo | anyway, CP-408 is that in-situ carrying case for N900 | 17:34 |
| Sicelo | bad reviews generally.. but i kinda like it | 17:35 |
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| ltltoutltclaet | LaoLang_cool: What are you trying to do? | 18:06 |
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| timeless | hi MohammadAG , DocScrutinizer51 , SpeedEvil | 18:23 |
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| MohammadAG | o/ | 18:23 |
| timeless | yes, i was actually in SFO last weekend | 18:23 |
| timeless | i just flew back to Toronto yesterday around noon SFO time | 18:23 |
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| * timeless got a letter in the mail stating Finland does not have a criminal record for timeless | 18:26 | |
| timeless | unfortunately, it also came w/ an invoice... due... tomorrow | 18:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you don't pay, do they update it, and send you another one saying you do? | 18:36 |
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| timeless | they increase the amount due | 18:38 |
| timeless | and, probably eventually, i suppose | 18:38 |
| timeless | but, they probably don't send out the new record | 18:38 |
| timeless | ... just what a new record would say | 18:38 |
| * timeless shrugs | 18:38 | |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | was the libaux6 package removed | 18:59 |
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| spark666 | chromium isnt in repos? | 22:04 |
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| cuppsy | If I'm planning to dual-boot Maemo/MeeGo on my N900, is it okay to rock power-kernel and U-Boot together, or should I stick with the stock kernel and U-Boot? | 22:48 |
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| merlin1991 | cuppsy: it works just fine | 22:59 |
| merlin1991 | though you have todo it yourself | 22:59 |
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| bennypr0fane | Hello, I have forced rotation enabled in CSSU testing, but screen only rotates in browser, desktop and phone. I installed Theme Customizer yesterday and chose its custom transitions, so I think transitions.ini is used from theme folder. How can I use fast transitions from Theme Customizer but still get apps to rotate? | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cuppsy: aiui pali supports uBoot+stock-kernel | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cuppsy: nevertheless you of course can set up PK and meego as two alternative boot configs, while sticking with stock+uboot | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think uboot and PK both *urgently* need a good comprehensive howro wikipage | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | howto even | 23:24 |
| bennypr0fane | DocScrutinizer51 I wrote kind of a little howto after I got it working: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83993 | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pali obviously has a few problems with english not being his native language (no offense, pali) | 23:25 |
| bennypr0fane | would like some feedback on it anyway | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, I'll see if I can find time to look at it. Thanks bennypr0fane | 23:26 |
| bennypr0fane | I put it together after reading both UBoot and pk50 threads adn getting some instructions from Pali here | 23:27 |
| bennypr0fane | so if I overlooked anything or got something wrong, please comment | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you looked into NOLO, no? Would you know or be able to look up whether NOLO does *anything* to mtd4: (00200000) ((initfs))? | 23:33 |
| cuppsy | Blinked out for a bit. Thanks to both of you for the responses. Gonna read that link now. | 23:34 |
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