IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-05-01

bennypr0fanePali: for u-boot-tools I get an error message saying installation not possible, package is not compatible00:03
Palirun in xterm as root: dpkg -i <deb_package>00:04
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bennypr0fanePali: http://pastebin.com/6XmkRuyc#00:11
bennypr0faneno00:11
bennypr0fanehttp://pastebin.com/6XmkRuyc00:11
Palicannot access archive: No such file or directory00:12
bennypr0faneoutput from dpkg00:12
Paliyou specified invalid file00:12
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Paliping NIN10100:13
bennypr0fanedo I need to enter the complete path to the package?00:13
Paliyes00:13
Paliif it is not in current directory00:13
PaliNIN101, can you include into rescueOS my script which recreate files in /dev/ ?00:14
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NIN101Pali: of course00:15
NIN101Pali: url?00:15
Palihttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1198604#post119860400:16
Paliscript needs to be run on maemo rootfs (because use absolute paths)00:16
bennypr0fanePali: Yay, installing uboot succesful!00:17
Palibennypr0fane, ok00:17
bennypr0fanenow for the power kernel....00:17
Palido not forget to install also u-boot-flasher package00:18
peterbjornxuboot is really a must have if your usb is broken00:18
bennypr0fanePali right, thanks...00:19
bennypr0faneis sdone00:19
bennypr0fanenow I need kernel-power-bootimg?00:20
peterbjornxwithout uboot my n900 would have been scrap00:20
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Palibennypr0fane, yes: sudo apt-get install kernel-power-bootimg00:21
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peterbjornx:o00:23
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peterbjornxbtw, im working on my whatsapp port, and i need someone to debug group conversations with00:24
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bennypr0fanePali: I need to reboot after that?00:25
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Palibefore reboot run: u-boot-update-bootmenu00:25
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Paliof cource, you need to reboot for booting other kernel :)00:25
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bennypr0fanePali: so I'm hoping this went well: http://pastebin.com/Arv0p3A300:27
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bennypr0fanePali: btw is i true the issue with bluetooth headsets is fixed in v.50?00:29
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Palibennypr0fane, I'm using my Creative WP-350 bluetooth headset with kp v50 without any problems00:30
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bennypr0fanethis last line is worrying me a bit: "Warning: Item file has obsolated option ITEM_USEATAG. Change it to ITEM_REUSEATAGS Adding bootmenu entry for: 'Maemo 5 with kernel-power 2.6.28.10-power50'"00:33
Palibennypr0fane, ignore it00:33
bennypr0faneok.00:33
Palinew u-boot has renamed that config variable00:33
bennypr0faneSo I just go ahead and reboot00:33
Palibut old name should also work00:34
bennypr0faneis safe now?00:34
PaliI think yes00:34
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NIN101hmm, maemo kernel doesn't come with devtmpfs?00:34
PaliNIN101, yes00:34
NIN101anyway, uploading00:35
Palibut before it mount devtmpfs some parts of /sbin/preinit needs correct /dev structure00:35
Palie.g. /dev/null /dev/zero /dev/urandom ...00:35
Paliand also /dev/console00:35
bennypr0fanePali do you know if I can use this new Uboot same as old one for booting Nemo from SDcard?00:36
Paliif /dev/console is missing /sbin/preinit does not start00:36
Palibennypr0fane, you need to write menu item file00:36
Palisee that u-boot thread, there are examples of item files00:37
bennypr0faneand AWESOME NEWS about the bt issue! I'm so happy to hear this!00:37
bennypr0faneok. Where is that file located?00:37
Palithread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8161300:38
Paliexamples: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot/u-boot-images_2012.04-1.tar.gz00:38
bennypr0fanethank you!00:39
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bennypr0faneit seems it's still booting the stock kernel00:41
bennypr0faneHow I can tell which kernel has been booted?00:41
NIN101Pali: new version is up: http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ (untested)00:42
NIN101with a typo in the script, sigh...00:43
NIN101(my fault)00:44
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Palibennypr0fane, boot with open keyboard00:45
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Paliand choose kernel00:45
Paliwhich you want to boot00:45
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bennypr0fanecan make it always boot power kernel by default?00:46
Palinot possible yet00:46
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PaliDocScrutinizer, did you looked at my bq kernel driver?00:47
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bennypr0faneyay! power kernel booted!00:49
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DocScrutinizerPali: up to line 38601:05
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DocScrutinizerPali: s/vender/vendor/g;s/VENDER/VENDOR/g01:06
Itschuehi docscrutinizer01:07
HurrianPali, selecting default kernel can be done in yet another config, right?01:07
DocScrutinizerPali: also I thought about deducing *SHIFT constants form *MASK, by counting the rightside 0s (there's an ARM opcode for that)01:07
Hurrian00-bootmenu-config.item or something01:07
DocScrutinizerhi it01:07
PaliDocScrutinizer, vender (not vendor), see http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/bq24150.pdf01:07
DocScrutinizerdang, TI fools01:08
DocScrutinizer~spell vender01:09
infobotpossible spellings for vender: vend er vend-er vendor Bender bender vend vended veneer fender gender lender mender render sender tender veined Wonder wander winder wonder vent endear vined Wendie vender's vendors vernier wend Vader Verde vends venue vendor's01:09
Itschuethe not reachable repo was a problem with the router. because @home and mobile network everythign is fine01:09
DocScrutinizer~dict vender01:09
infobotDictionary 'vender' (2): \Vend"er\, n. [From {Vend}: cf. F. vendeur, OF. vendeor. Cf. {Vendor}.] One who vends; one who transfers the exclusive right of possessing a thing, either his own, or that of another as his agent, for a price or pecuniary equivalent; a seller; a vendor. [1913 Webster] ;; someone who promotes or exchanges goods or services for money .01:09
DocScrutinizer~dict vendor01:09
infobotDictionary 'vendor' (2 of 3): arab, automat, cadger, chapman, cheap-jack, cheap-john, cheapjack, coin machine, coin-operated machine, colporteur, coster, costermonger, duffer, hawker, higgler, huckster, peddler, roadman, sidewalk salesman, slot machine, vending machine ;; someone who promotes or exchanges goods or services for money .01:09
DocScrutinizer*sigh*01:10
DocScrutinizer~spell vendor01:10
infobot'vendor' may be spelled correctly01:10
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Palihttp://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/vendor?q=vender01:10
Pali(US also vender)01:11
DocScrutinizerbloody yankees01:11
Paliseems that both is correct :)01:11
DocScrutinizerwell, I'll continue proofreading tomorrow01:12
DocScrutinizertoday is boozetime01:12
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN01:12
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2012.04.30 2150 UTC; Dew Point: 51 F (11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 63%; Temperature: 64 F (18 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (060 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT)01:12
PaliHurrian, In next version I will choose some way to specifing default entry01:14
DocScrutinizer~botsnack01:16
infobot:), DocScrutinizer01:16
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HurrianPali: cool!01:17
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PaliHurrian, for specifing u-boot menu entry as first, see post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1199785#post119978503:37
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Hurrianooh, that's cool, pali03:56
Hurrianwith regards to reading config when slide is closed03:56
Hurriansince we're missing a place for u-boot to store config03:56
Hurrianshouldn't u-boot read bootmenu.scr every boot, closed slide or not, and only show bootmenu when slide is open03:57
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* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what might be Pali's native language04:18
DocScrutinizermore often than not I think "duh, did he really mean what I understood?" Example: >>This behaviour must be changed in u-boot binary.<<  I *think* >>This behaviour *can* be changed *only* in u-boot binary.<<04:20
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DocScrutinizerif it *must* be changed, then don't talk, Pali, change it!04:21
DocScrutinizerI'd be more than happy to proofread relevant posts, and tell you what I understood from what you wrote04:24
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userhi, ive setup link via usb0 with n900 and laptop, so I thought why not to use n900s wifi internet with old compaq, but i got error when trying to use iptables :(09:47
useriptables: No chain/target/match by that name.09:48
useriptables v1.4.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)09:48
userPerhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.09:48
user---09:48
useriptables -A FORWARD -o usb0 -i wlan0 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -m conntrack --ctstate N09:49
useriptables -A FORWARD -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT09:49
useriptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE09:49
user~09:49
user~09:49
userhelp?09:49
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useranyone?10:01
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Itschuehello i need a command that let me see only files beginning with g13:27
NIN101ls | grep ^g13:27
Itschuethank you13:28
NIN101yw13:30
BiggAlor just at the command line,  {command}{space}g{tab}{tab}13:35
BiggAldepending what you want the file for, and your shell13:35
Itschuei only wa looking if e secify file exists13:36
BiggAlcool13:37
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RST38hMeanwhile: Seized Memory Card Contained al Qaeda Documents Encoded in Porn!13:40
BiggAlheh13:42
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jpinxis it possible to run vbox on maemo on the n900?14:08
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BiggAljinx why would you?14:11
BiggAl*jpinx14:11
BiggAlright - autocorrect is getting switched off14:12
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jpinxI'm looking for a way to run bitlbee14:12
jpinxa vm running debian withou X - cl only would be fine14:12
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jpinxBiggAl: chroot doesn't seem to play nicely14:13
DocScrutinizer>>Seized Memory Card<<?? WTF! is a memeory card now a seize-able object?14:13
BiggAljinx have you tries compiling from source?14:14
BiggAljpinx14:14
jpinxBiggAl: no - never tried that for anything14:14
BiggAlnever tried a vm as it would be so slow (you'd be emulating an intel CPU14:15
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jpinxOh - yea -  hadn't thought of that14:15
jpinxbugger-  back to the drawing board.14:15
BiggAlUse the Source luke14:15
BiggAlI've not had any really issues compelling from source on maemo unless it's something really low-level like trying to compile python support into vim14:16
BiggAlbut I was able to get python 2.7.2 on there from source14:17
BiggAlI'd just recommend that you make a copy of your root fs onto a memory card, chroot to it, and the optify it onto the root fs when you're done14:18
jpinxyea . I have my chroot on the sdcard14:19
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BiggAlcool - and if it turns out to be really useful, don't forget to consider packaging it up14:20
BiggAlpy2.7.2 turned out to be disappointing, as there's no way to get pyside compiled up for 2.7.2 :s14:21
BiggAl(well - pyside wasn't the issue, so much as qt)14:21
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DocScrutinizer>>Windows NT 4.0 running on N900!<< http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html     >>YouTube - KDE 4.2.1 running on Nokia n810<<  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOHGb2rr0    >>Video: Two operating systems on one phone | IT PRO<<  http://www.itpro.co.uk/609997/video-two-operating-systems-on-one-phone    >>YouTube - VMware demo showing two OS WinCE<<  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-14:37
DocScrutinizerdnSQ14:37
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DocScrutinizerRunning Mac OS X 10.3 on Nokia N900   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU14:40
DocScrutinizeroooh, and ~bm14:43
DocScrutinizer~bm14:43
infoboti heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6397514:43
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BiggAlDocScrutinizer performance does not look great for x86 stuff - not looksed at osx vid yet15:05
DocScrutinizerworse :-P15:05
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DocScrutinizerfor a ballpark guestimate: N900 ~ as fast as my P-II300 Laptop. Any emu will decelerate by at least factor 5..10, maybe worse15:07
DocScrutinizerand no emu can emulate more RAM15:07
BiggAlmeh - got mine running at about 1.1 GHz, but I think I won the builtd-quality lottery on mine15:08
DocScrutinizerno, you're about to win the darwin award15:08
DocScrutinizer~omap-oc15:10
infobotwell, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:1115:10
DocScrutinizer http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3525-hirel.pdf page 122    3.3 Recommended Operating Conditions15:11
BiggAltemperature's pretty stable - it's my second unit - the first one I tried icing once, but it was buying up what I pushed one 70015:11
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BiggAl*oc ing15:12
DocScrutinizeryeah, and moonphase in in perfect sync with predictions15:12
SpeedEvilThe temperature readout is not related to the processor15:12
SpeedEvilIt's at the other end of the board15:12
DocScrutinizerplus it's irrelevant for OC anyway (basically)15:12
BiggAlbut you can feel if the device is warmer than ambient15:12
DocScrutinizerso what?15:12
BiggAlit's been running this way for a few months15:12
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DocScrutinizergood, then you almost are thru with that CPU15:13
BiggAlI crank it down to 900 iuf I'm compiling C code15:13
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DocScrutinizer"I tuned my flashlight. I inserted Lithium cells instead alkaline, so the incandescent lamp now runs on 7V instead of 3V. Hey it's working since 2 hours like that, and the color of metal case hasn't changed at all"15:15
BiggAlIf it dies it dies15:15
BiggAlnothing important on there15:15
BiggAlI was going to switch to an android decide because I found this painfully slow - OCing means I get to keep this going a bit longer15:17
BiggAlwin-win15:17
DocScrutinizerit's just a few of us simply get angry hearing of others deliberately destroying their device, while we are desparately searching for *new* devices as we can't buy any used ones thanks to OCers probably ruined them and then selling them with 4 weeks lifetime left15:17
BiggAlah it doesn't really work like that though does it - you're just increasing your risk factors15:18
DocScrutinizerplus OCing never been decently certified to bring any noticeable increase in speed during everyday usage15:18
BiggAlit's not like flash memory where you have so many read-write cycles then it's a brick15:18
DocScrutinizerau contraire, there have been quite decent scientific tests that suggest you need *at least* to double the clock speed to even *notice* any difference in everyday look and feel15:19
BiggAlnot certified maybe, but it feels a hell of a lot more responsive - stuff opens much faster15:19
DocScrutinizerBiggAl: YES IT IS!15:19
SpeedEvilI disagree - if you're doing CPU bound stuff a lot, you can notice 30%15:20
BiggAlcalm down, it's not like I would ever sell it anyway15:20
DocScrutinizerdear BiggAl, wuld you bother to read the link to TI Technical Manual I posted above - it's *exactly* like flash memory15:20
BiggAlI'm not going to tell everyone they should take risks, but I'm not ashamed that I'm taking a calculated risk based on my own circumstances15:21
DocScrutinizerCALCULATED???15:21
DocScrutinizerbased on which algo?15:21
BiggAlrisk/reward/loss15:22
BiggAlI am taking a significant risk of my device being  a brick. the reward is that I get to enjoy it until it is so. The risk is that I don't get very long as such15:23
DocScrutinizeryou obviously got no faintest clue about the "risk", you even deny basic facts that are clearly written in terse algorithmic form in a URL I offered to your notice15:23
BiggAlwhat page? I'm not reading the whole thing15:23
DocScrutinizerwhile OTOH babbling nonsense about "temperatire"15:24
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DocScrutinizer~debian BiggAl15:24
* infobot tells BiggAl to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!15:24
DocScrutinizer  http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3525-hirel.pdf page 122    3.3 Recommended Operating Conditions15:24
DocScrutinizerwhat of "page 122 " was too hard to get it?15:25
BiggAlyes that is what is recommended15:25
BiggAlwhere does it say "basic facts that are clearly written in terse algorithmic form"15:26
DocScrutinizerno, that is what they found out about lifetime, in extensive tests15:26
BiggAlyou know what - you care about this a lot more than I do - I will carry on doing what I am doing based on what I know, and you can carry on doing what you are based on what you know15:27
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BiggAlnot every die off the assembly line is the same, they have different tolerances and there is an accepted level at which most will operate - those that operate at a lower level are classed as defective, those at a higher level are not15:28
BiggAlbut that is all I have to dsay15:28
BiggAlI am taking a gamble, but I am willing to face the consequences if I lose the gamble15:28
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* BiggAl draws a line under it15:29
DocScrutinizerstop spreading bullshit nonsense!15:29
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DocScrutinizer"not all incandescent bulbs falling off one assembly line are the same. Some will work at 3V and lableled like that, while others like mine are labebled 3V but happily work at 7V"15:31
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DocScrutinizerand no Sir, that's no gamble. That's like taking a certain amount of mercury every day, hoping you are immune. And claiming you've seen no adverse effects after 6 weeks so you'll assume it's safe and nothing bad will happen to you15:35
DocScrutinizerthere WILL BE adverse effects, as sure as your fuel tank of your car won't fill up by driving15:36
BiggAlNo it's like having a 3V 40W bulb when you need 6W worth of light, so running it at 4.5 V until it runs out before buying a 60W bulb15:36
BiggAl*60W15:36
DocScrutinizeras sure as your flash memory doesn'T get better by rewrite cycles15:37
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DocScrutinizererr yes, exactly15:37
DocScrutinizer:-P15:37
BiggAlyour power over analogies is crap as is your ability to hold an arguement - I'm not interested, and I don't know why you are15:37
DocScrutinizerthanks for supporting all my points in one completely messed up statement15:38
BiggAlso we agree that I'm aware of the gamble I am taking15:38
BiggAlI am gambling that my device will not last until there is a more desirable device on the market that there is currently, as I want to upgrade but want to hold out a bit15:38
BiggAlI don't claim that my device will last as long or longer than it would if I did not over clock it, however I do claim that it runs better in the mean time15:39
DocScrutinizerand I clearly made my point that you're basing your "gamble" on completely random unrelated and false assumtions15:40
DocScrutinizerlike "temperature" and denying any constant wear15:40
BiggAltemperate is a useful indicator - also at higher temperature you will find more degradation15:42
BiggAlI really do not see what your argument was - you hid it so elegantly in really bad analogies15:43
BiggAlbut I do not want to continue this discussion as it is blatantly not useful15:43
DocScrutinizeryou have not the faintest clue, neither about the actual temperature nor about the general problem of electromigration that is actually what matters here, and what those "recommended operation conditions" are basically all about15:43
BiggAlI have nothing against you but I shall not be taking your advice on this topic15:43
DocScrutinizerI just told you that OC-fanboys with obviously not any clue about what they are doing are not welcome here to promote their 1337 OC achievements15:45
BiggAlI'm not promoting15:45
BiggAlI'm not an OC fanboy15:45
BiggAland if I wanted to make 1337 acheivements I would buy an XBox rather than coming on IRC15:46
BiggAlI am sorry if you have got the wrong impress of me15:46
BiggAl*impression15:46
DocScrutinizersorry too, let's just stop it15:47
DocScrutinizer:-)15:47
BiggAlindeed15:47
DocScrutinizerit's really useless15:47
DocScrutinizerand most probably annoying to the channel15:47
DocScrutinizer(particularly my rant)15:47
BiggAlI have seen much of your useful input on other topic in IRC archives - I would hate to have any sort of ongoing feud15:47
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DocScrutinizerno reason for any15:48
BiggAl*topics - I really hate this computer...15:48
BiggAlWhy oh why did work give me an iMac....15:48
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mikeyFAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS16:25
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mikeyFAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS16:25
mikeyFAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS16:25
mikeyFAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS16:25
mikeyFAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS16:25
mikeyFAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS16:25
mikeywhere is my kickban16:25
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mikeyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu 5tugx huiofaeh;/zxf16:26
BiggAlwhy?16:26
mikeybecause it's tuesday16:26
mikeygotta get banned from a new channel16:26
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BiggAlah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and should you really be on IRC?16:29
mikeyI am 12 and use irssi16:30
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mikey08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?16:31
mikey08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?16:31
mikey08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?16:31
mikey08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?16:31
mikey08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?16:31
mikey08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?16:32
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mikey08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?16:32
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BiggAlodd16:32
marienzsomewhat!16:32
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gulyjust tweeted "morons' are disappearing from IRC too"16:32
gulyi must shut up when i think this sort of things16:33
BiggAlheh my CEO - Bizarre morning. Just had a meeting with a chap worth $3.5 billion.  We played Street Fighter.  I lost16:33
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prontohttps://code.google.com/p/naxsi/  Naxsi is an open source, high performance, low rules maintenance, Web Application Firewall module for Nginx17:13
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