IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-04-27

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SniiThe root shell in BM sure seems a lot faster00:02
SniiI had no idea the proximity sensor reacted so quickly00:02
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SniiDocScrutinizer: Tell me the news about CSSU :\00:04
infobothmm... cssu is
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ErwinJungeRandom try again moment: Anyone in here have experience porting a desktop gtk app to hildon?00:14
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ErwinJungeNot that I have time to work on it now, but would appreciate a pointer in the right direction :)00:15
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Raimu> maemo not dead, just its users smell funny ;-P00:34
RaimuNote to self, take shower first thing tomorrow.00:35
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villagerand maybe I should eat garbage food less often00:40
RaimuI finally got one of those high endurance screen protectors for my n900.00:40
SpeedEvilI got a pack of 10 for $3 I think00:40
RaimuIt catches scratches way too easily when it just jangles along in my packet.00:40
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sobczyk_I'm trying to install power-kernel, the flasher returns "Image flashed successfully in 0.858 s (2027 kB/s)!" but after reboot the same old kernel appears02:16
spark666i managed to flash my n900 :)02:17
sobczyk_hmm I had multiboot installed02:17
sobczyk_maybe that's the problem?02:18
spark666how do i emulate nickcompletion on xchat on n900?couse it doesnt have a tab key lol02:27
SpeedEvilLook up the keymaps.02:27
SpeedEvilI forget - you can set it in one of the menus02:28
SpeedEvilI reset it to alt-rightarrow02:28
SpeedEvilIt might be alt-space02:28
SpeedEvilOr is it blue-space02:28
spark666let me try02:28
spark666SpeedEvil: works02:29
spark666you made my day :D02:29
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spark666shift + spacebar02:30
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sobczyk_is there a way to do a backup from CLI?02:41
sobczyk_the gui one seems to hang at 0%02:41
r00t|homewhat kind of backup exactly?02:45
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sobczyk_hmm conversations & calendar02:59
sobczyk_it's slow03:00
sobczyk_I remember it was faster03:00
r00t|homeconversations? i'd say: sqlite3 .rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db .dump >backup.sql ...03:06
r00t|homesqlite3 .calendar/calendardb .dump >calendar.sql03:07
r00t|home(don't ask me if those can be safely restored...)03:07
sobczyk_went through, it was 250MB so I guess that's why so slow03:09
sobczyk_anyone here uses battery patch?03:10
r00t|homewtf? 250mb of calendar/conversations?03:10
sobczyk_it says it will OC the device to 805MHz, is that true?03:10
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sobczyk_r00t|home: ?03:17
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robbiethe1stSo, has anyone seen the xolo 900?03:18
sobczyk_x86 phone?03:21
sobczyk_is that energy efficient compared to arm03:21
robbiethe1stSeems decent according to the reviews03:22
sobczyk_I guess software can influence more than the hardware now03:23
robbiethe1stIf the bootloader's unlocked, it would seem an awesome target for Maemo or Kubuntu Mobile...03:23
robbiethe1stBecause you'd likely be able to run Windows stuff via wine on it.03:23
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sobczyk_for my next phone i'd like something like n9+hw keyboard, the one in n900 is nice, but a little too toght03:26
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robbiethe1stLike, say, a N950?03:34
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nox-too bad elop killed that one...03:38
sobczyk_n950 was limited and for devs only03:39
sobczyk_n9 had some parts upgraded over n95003:39
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sobczyk_is 800MHz safe for n900?03:41
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spark666i remeber in past i installed terminator on it still possible?or rxvt-unicode,etc03:42
LaoLang_coolHow to get a installed pkg's deb file?03:53
robbiethe1stsobczyk_, I can run mine up to 1.15ghz, run it at 950 as my max freq.03:53
LaoLang_cool'apt-get -d install pkg' doesn't work :(03:53
robbiethe1st...You, however, have to tweak the voltages to your own device so it doesn't crash or become unstable.03:53
robbiethe1stI ran one N900 for a year at my 950 maxfreq without issue; then the USB port broke so I switched to another one which I've been using for over 6 months...03:55
LaoLang_coolI'm using kernel-power with starving of kernel-power-config profile, working fine, so my n900 is running at the lowest voltages, so battery life will be extended, so n900's life will be too, right?03:57
spark666LaoLang_cool: apt-get -i nameofapp.deb03:57
robbiethe1stLife? Nah, not really.03:58
robbiethe1stIt is reduced by overclocking, that's for sure. Higher frequencies are worse.03:58
spark666ohh sorry,i missunderstood,nvm03:58
robbiethe1stHowever, what the 'actual' numbers are  -- how long a device will last with or without it... noone knows.03:58
LaoLang_coolspark666: I want to get the deb file...03:59
spark666LaoLang_cool: yes i saw it to late03:59
robbiethe1stPersonally, I suspect that, for 90% of devices, the CPU won't fail before other stuff does, even OC'd heavily.04:00
spark666btw its there a big features diff between cssu stable and testing?04:00
robbiethe1stIf for no other reason than it's only running OC'd for a small fraction of each day.04:00
robbiethe1stAnd the CPU's rated for X years at 600mhz 24/7.04:00
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LaoLang_coolspark666: my english is bad ;p04:01
spark666LaoLang_cool: no problem,english isnt my native language either :p04:01
LaoLang_coolok ;p04:02
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DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: err nope07:23
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DocScrutinizerTI definitely knows that: >>50K total POH when operating across all OPPs and keeping the time spent at OPP5 to less than 10K POH. Total FaultsInThousand(?) Rate increases from design goal of 50FIT to 70FIT under these accelerated conditions. (for MIL(?) 105°C max devices)<<07:28
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DocScrutinizerI.E.when running@600MHz, after 10000 hours 7% devices gone burnout07:30
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DocScrutinizerand that's most likely a Gaussian graph, like for incandescent bulb lifetime07:31
DocScrutinizerdefinitely no linear thing07:32
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int_uaMy hildon-desktop suddenly crashed and is refusing to start. Anyone else having similar behaviour with CSSU 3.1?07:54
DocScrutinizerI once had that with PR1.0.107:55
int_uaWhat did you do to fix it?07:55
DocScrutinizererr, reflash IIRC07:55
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DocScrutinizersince I didn't know all the tricks back when07:56
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int_uaI've edited transitions.ini before it crashed, but I've undone these changes through ssh and it's still crashing07:57
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int_uaDocScrutinizer: I've used Ctrl+Shift+X to start terminal (I wished I knew this yesterday in the train where it started) and replaced transitions.ini with the default one. It seems fixed now, rebooting.08:09
DocScrutinizerwell, that's at least unelated to CSSU I'd say. Though thanks to a mini patch I pushed to CSSU you at least have a chance to ssh into device at all, when HD is crashing. In original firmware the device would've entered vootloop now08:09
int_uaDocScrutinizer: You saved me days of time! :) And a lot of other's I think ^_^08:11
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int_uaDocScrutinizer: FYI I've replaced _all_ numbers in transitions.ini with zeros and commented out all  transitions long ago and it was working perfectly08:12
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freemangordonPali, ping08:19
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RST38hWicked Lasers is running a promotion whereby if a certain Facebook page is liked 2,000 times, the company will send a team of professional divers to "attach a fully-functional Spyder 3 laser onto a live shark in the wild."11:00
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edheldilRST38h:  the carnage could be interesting, but why would thay attach a laser?11:28
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RST38hedheldil: because they make lasers11:29
RST38hand no, it will be purely cosmetic, as laser does not make it far into the water11:29
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edheldilI mean ... what will be the purpose except of as a warning to  people in an underwater research station  in a room full of water that there's also a shark there?11:32
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freemangordonPali, ping12:36
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: I think I will wait for the next maemo phone till I switch... the device seeding program smells like victory over elop to me^^14:35
chem|stnice blog ;)14:36
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DocScrutinizer51chem|st: sorry, you lost me somewhat15:33
DocScrutinizer51chem|st: which switching?15:33
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Palifreemangordon, pong15:48
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freemangordonPali, your u-boot code seems to fix the issue with -110 errors. i.e. restoring i2c context after enabling it16:06
freemangordonand the function responsible for garbadge in boot menu is video_invertchar in cfb_console.c16:07
freemangordonNFC why byte operation does not work as they should16:07
Paliand function which garbage screen - I know it16:07
Palibut now one of u-boot developer can reproduce same problem on beagle board16:08
freemangordondo you have a solution (besides disabling SW cursor)?16:08
freemangordonaah, great16:08
Paliso I wait, I belive he will fix problem :-)16:08
Palitemp solution is to disable cursor16:09
freemangordongreat news. On the other hand I see some timeout errors from u-boot when initializing, not sure if they are for internal or external mmc16:09
Palie.g function video_invertchar in cfb_consle.c will do nothing16:09
Palithat are problems with omap mmc code16:10
freemangordonyeah, I know that, that is what i did, and i saw 3-4 errors (or warnings) from u-boot16:10
Palialso one developer sent patch to mailinglist16:10
freemangordondo you have link?16:10
Palibut now I modified rx51 u-boot code more16:12
PaliI will build and publish new version16:12
freemangordongreat. you will disable SW corsor until there is a roper fix?16:13
freemangordonby publish you mean in extras-devel?16:13
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freemangordonPali ^^^16:15
Paliyes, I will disable cursor, but I mean that I will push code to gitorious and create some builds16:15
Palinothing to extras-devel yet16:15
freemangordonaah, ok. Are you going to do this today? Because here next 4 days ar non-working and I would like to do some testing, etc. If you are not going to publish that today, mind to share the patches?16:17
Paliok, I will rebase my git repo and create clean commits16:18
Palithere is one problem with maemo 2.6.28 kernel16:20
Paliif I enable usb tty in u-boot maemo kernel does not boot16:21
Paliit crash something in musb driver16:21
Paliso I temporary comment usb tty support in u-boot16:21
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freemangordonPali, and what am I expected to do? :P16:30
Palithat if you want usb tty support for testing u-boot (without maemo kernel) you need to enable it & recompile16:30
Palifreemangordon, on u-boot mailinglist are patches for ext4 support. I will try to include it16:31
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freemangordonpali, isn't it better first to have stable u-boot and after that to improve it?16:32
PaliI have sd card formated with ext416:32
Paliso for testing on my n900 it will be better16:33
freemangordonAIAU there are lots of people waiting your u-boot to become stable to start using it.16:33
freemangordonmyself included :D16:33
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freemangordonPali, btw here is gcc 4.6.2 to be used in SB16:34
Paliwhat has new version fixed?16:34
freemangordonPali, SB has gcc 4.2.416:35
freemangordonand that is 4.6.216:35
PaliI know, but I thought that gcc is stable16:35
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Paliand c++0x support I do not need :D16:36
freemangordonwell, it is, but some SWs don't compile with 4.2.416:36
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Paliand thumb support?16:38
freemangordonyeah, that is fixed16:40
freemangordonin binutils 2.22, which is in the same tar.gz16:41
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Palido you think that we can recompile qt libraries with enabled thumb?16:52
freemangordonI've already done that16:58
freemangordonbut still not sure if thumb is stable on n900 and what is needed to stabilize it if not16:59
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hurrianfreemangordon, any updates on .37 for Fremantle?17:10
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LaoLang_coolcamera on n900 is much better than I've expected!17:25
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hurrianLaoLang_cool: it's a lot less granier than most 5mp cameras out there, except the N9517:26
LaoLang_coolIt could produce high quality and beautiful photos!17:26
LaoLang_coolhurrian: granier?17:27
LaoLang_coolI can't find the word on my dictionary :(17:27
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hurrianit's less grainy on the N900 because of not-as-tightly packed sensor and relatively large lens17:28
hurrianlike, white/grey dots on dark parts of a picture17:28
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LaoLang_coolok, although I don't understand, it's very good!17:30
hurrianyes, it is!17:31
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Palifreemangordon, sources are on:
Palinow with debian/* files18:09
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Palivisible changes for users:18:16
Pali* atag address for kernel is always 0x80000100, so for reusing atags from nolo is needed command: "setenv atagaddr 0x80000100"18:16
Pali* u-boot-update-bootmenu needs option ITEM_REUSEATAGS=1 (instead ITEM_USEATAG) - but works also old option (it show warning)18:16
Pali* noloboot renamed to attachboot18:16
Pali* if not reusing atags from nolo, u-boot will create memory atag which is needed to boot kernels (now maybe meego/upstream kernel will boot without nolo atags)18:16
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Palifreemangordon, new u-boot deb packages are here:
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freemangordonPali, thanks18:49
PaliI will also update TMO thread18:49
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Palifreemangordon, TMO thread updated:
freemangordonInstaling Ubuntu on microsd will try the new u-boot with it19:12
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Palifreemangordon, I updated bootmenu package (pushed to extras-devel) to hide kernel entries20:34
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: alternative device... switching to another device might be possible as they revive Qt devel which is not needed for WinMo20:46
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DocScrutinizerdang, does my IRC UA have auto-"away" now?20:47
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r00t|homeDocScrutinizer: as long as it doesn't announce it to channels...20:52
DocScrutinizernah, chem|st must have mega ESP powers :-D I was just sitting at my PC for <60s and the Elop-webpage was still loading when I got highlighted by him (or, according to latest grammar, her)20:54
RST38h"How to Tell if You (Or Someone You Know) Are a Twitter Assclown" <== WEB2.0 getting really useful now20:55
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: special powers that is...20:56
chem|st'd love to get an n950 to do testing like I did for m5... but well people who code get devices, people who are good in testing only are in need to buy them... without being available on the market a 'no can do'20:57
chem|stand for sure I do not want a phone without kbd20:58
chem|stRST38h: pls elaborate twitter assclown...20:58
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: not completely right, seems my N950 originally moved to me due to my exceptionally good/harsh/snappish testing21:00
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chem|stwell I helped out sequentially with dbus calling... and so on... I didn't even think of asking!21:01
DocScrutinizerkonttori said sth like "I already wondered how to get one of those to you"21:01
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DocScrutinizernot mine21:02
DocScrutinizeronviously the number of devices with that fsxkd prototype BL or whatever it was are in the hundereds or max 1000s21:03
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DocScrutinizermeh, who cares about root of crap?21:03
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if it was in "12 monkeys" where brad pit explained "we in here are the sane people, all out there are the lunatics"21:05
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RST38hand yes, all Gilliam films make this impression21:07
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holmesiihi, is anybody working libpcap on maemo right now?21:16
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DocScrutinizerHRHRHRRRHARRRHRHARR >>Symbian was the bestselling smartphone on five of the six inhabited continents and Nokia's Maemo was the bestselling smartphone on the uninhabited continent of Antarctica too.<<21:40
RST38hBut it is true!21:40
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DocScrutinizerI just like the sarcasm like sulfuric acid21:41
DocScrutinizerI wish somebody would tie Flop to a chair, give him some strychnine to snort, then recite this whole blog over and over again21:42
vdvinspite of i've set sound file name with hildon_notification_set_sound, i still don't get sound with hildon notification, anyone have ideas what the reason can be?21:42
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vdvand also call notify_notification_set_hint_string(NOTIFY_NOTIFICATION(_hildon_notification), HINT_KEY, HINT_VALUE) has no effect21:44
DocScrutinizernotification sounds get converted to wav and stored somewhere in ~/.*21:44
DocScrutinizerI'd not be surprised to find your abscure cals not handle all that correctly21:44
vdvDocScrutinizer, yes, i know, i've set filename to /home/user/.local/share/sounds/Message1.acc.wav21:44
DocScrutinizersorry, nfc21:45
DocScrutinizerwhat API is that?21:45
vdv <hildon-notify/hildon/hildon-notification.h>21:45
DocScrutinizerso c?21:46
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DocScrutinizerqt honestly never really worked for such stuff, I'd say21:46
vdvshowing notification works21:48
DocScrutinizerI can do that from cmdline via dbus-send21:48
vdvi know21:48
DocScrutinizeranyway, nfc realy. Back to that Floptrashingblog21:49
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* SpeedEvil is highly amused to be running out of space on the tiny internal partition on hi ndroid device that everything seems to be installed by default to.23:08
SpeedEvil(Gift of a cheap tablet)23:08
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keriowhich tablet?23:16
kerioand don't you feel dirty for using an android device?23:16
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ShadowJKflashliht is currently my favourite app23:20
ShadowJKon holiday in germany :)23:21
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SpeedEvilkerio: Wopad I723:28
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SpeedEvilkerio: It's main use is an angry birds platform23:28
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SpeedEvilI'm still using my n900 more23:28
kerioSpeedEvil: ...why not a computer, for angry birds? :\23:28
kerioand didn't you have a n950 too?23:28
SpeedEvilIs angry birds available on linux?23:28
fluxthere's an html5 version :)23:29
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SpeedEvilAnywya - it's excellent as a 'while the kettle boils' game23:29
kerionot sure about space, though23:29
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: drop by for a beer!23:29
SpeedEvilSpace is OK, but variable23:29
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SpeedEvilThe third episode of space is a brainfuck on some levels.23:29
SpeedEvil- getting 3 *'s - not actually completing them23:30
SpeedEvilThe couple of walkthroughs I've looked at after doing levels that have taken me ages both revealed there was a _much_ easier way that I missed.23:31
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kerioanyway, why bother with angry birds when there's nethack? :)=23:31
infobotkerio meant: anyway, why bother with angry birds when there's nethack? :)23:31
SpeedEvilNethack isn't quite as suitable as a casual game.23:32
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spark666SpeedEvil: your the same SpeedEvil from gentoo? :P23:39
SpeedEvilI'm not involved in gentoo23:39
spark666ohh im sorry :(23:39
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