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DocScrutinizerdbus there's dbus scripts pkg00:06
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DocScrutinizerI didn't suggest to change PSM via dbus (nor any other way) - I suggested to switch from "MyAP-PSM" WLAN connection to "MyAP-USBpowered" WLAN connecton. There are methods to tell ICD2 to switch to a particular connection00:08
DocScrutinizerprobably even dbus00:09
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ErwinJungeAh, so make 2 connections for same network, one with and one without psm and switch between those. Smart.00:21
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, Thanks for looking that up :) I'll see if I can hack something together based on that tomorrow.01:03
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DocScrutinizerinstalling dbus-script 'app', the whole thing probably consists of two dbus script files with one dbus-send cmdline each01:05
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Maceratt and verizon are throwing tons of money at windows phonez11:02
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Macerny times says it is because they are sick of apple and worried about google buying motmob11:02
Macerwonder how well apple will fair when the telcoms tell them to take their iphone and.shove it up their ass11:03
RST38hAll these big bad companies are in for an unpleasant surprise around Christmas.11:03
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Macersince they are so hitler with the methods they selland give rights to telcoms11:04
RST38hMicrosoft releases WP811:04
Macerwhat happens around christmas?11:04
RST38hWindowsNT based, completely incompatible with WP711:04
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jaskawordperfect 811:04
RST38hSupposed to run WP7 apps, as backward compatibility, but all the rest is different11:05
Macerso my lumia 900 wont run it?11:05
RST38hMost likely11:05
Macerdamn :(11:05
Maceri hope that isnt the case11:05
RST38hWhy did you get a freaking Lumia, anyway? It is nothing more than Zune + a phoen app11:05
Macerit is surprisingly nice11:05
Macerawesome even11:05
RST38hGot Lumia 800 here. It sucks moose balls.11:05
Maceri dont know11:06
Maceri love it heh11:06
Maceri am using it now ;)11:06
RST38hCan't play video. Can't run web browsers (builtin IE does not count). Can't use USB mass storage. Can't read books on it.11:06
Macerzune didnt have ssh11:06
Macer900 plays video fine11:06
RST38hSSH? Forget SSH, this piece of fecal matter cannot even play Xvid11:06
Macerweb browser runs fine11:06
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Macerie is actually an awesome mob browser11:07
Macerbelieve it or not11:07
RST38hweb browser only runs fine on sites where it does not go bonkers due to one bug or another11:07
Macerwtf uses xvid? lol11:07
RST38hit is a coprolit of a browser11:07
Macerwell... i havent ran into any so far11:07
Macerit is amazingly solid11:08
RST38hAnd to add insult to the injury, I cannot even develop software for it.11:08
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RST38hBecause it is only programmed in C#11:08
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RST38hAnd all of my code is in C/C++ and it is not like I am going to rewrite everything in slow, managed C#11:09
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Macerit supports c++11:10
RST38hIt does not.11:10
RST38hGo find a URL.11:10
Macercant paste it :(11:11
Maceri will find it tomorrow for you11:11
RST38hIt does not support cut&paste? :)11:11
Macerssh client doesnt11:11
RST38hAnyway, no URL no doughnut.11:11
Maceri saw it earlier11:11
Maceryou can use python too :-P11:11
RST38hthanks, I will pass.11:12
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* LaoLang_cool is looking for a tool like xclip11:14
LaoLang_coolany guy could port it to maemo please?11:14
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spark666hey guys11:53
spark666i have a question,i checked the wiki and all,and some ppl say to flash first emmc others say what its the right order?11:54
RST38hrootfs first afaik11:55
spark666hummm :-s11:55
RST38hThat is what the automated Windows updater does at least11:55
spark666RST38h, have you tried whit flasher?11:55
RST38hWhy should flasher be any different?11:56
spark666sometimes in the past nokia updater bricked my n90011:56
spark666and i fixed whit flasher11:56
spark666i had a reboot loop11:57
timophjust don't boot between since afaik it does some symlinking to emmc during the first boot or something11:57
spark666now i buyed a new n900 at second hand11:57
spark666and i want to make it nice and clear :D11:57
spark666timoph, i know that but as i said im not sure about the proper order :-s11:58
timophnot sure if it really matters :)11:58
timophif one order fails try the other11:59
spark666but ins there risc to brake it?11:59
spark666if i mess up whit order11:59
timophI don't see how that could break it12:00
timophin the worst care you just have to reflash12:00
spark666on the images download site its write this
timophI am actually a bit surprized that I haven't managed to break a single n900 with the flasher12:01
chem|stspark666: yes order might brake12:01
timophhw damage?12:01
spark666chem|st, break forever,or just need to reflash again?12:02
chem|stspark666: flash root and without rebooting flash emmc, if you reboot in between it brakes12:02
chem|stspark666: reflash again and again .oO(spoon)12:02
spark666chem|st, okey then ill try first whit root and then whit emmc12:02
spark666]i just wait it to fully charge:P12:03
chem|stif the device runs out of battery you need to charge with an external battery charger...12:03
spark666thats what im doing now lol12:03
spark666im at 82% i cant wait :P12:04
chem|stspark666: win or linnux?12:04
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spark666chem|st, now i use windows couse im at a friend but at home linux (Gentoo)12:04
chem|stthe guide changed...12:05
spark666what guide?12:05
spark666in what way?12:05
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chem|stthey made clear that /opt gets deleted by flashing emmc, which gets populated on first boot only12:06
spark666and that means i need to flash emmc first right?12:06
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spark666so he can become recreated and after to flash the "linux firmware"12:07
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chem|stjust flash both images root and emmc WITHOUT "-R" flag12:07
spark666ill use -R at the second12:08
spark666so he can reboot by default12:08
chem|stI boot by hand if flashing both images just to be sure12:08
timophI usually do by having the cable connected all the time and controlling power/booting by pulling the battery and putting it back12:09
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chem|sttimoph: ?12:09
timophsince that way the device boot when you put the battery back12:09
spark666butyou didnt answered to my question,after you said the guide changed...the order changed to?12:09
chem|sttimoph: that brakes with "do not boot in between"12:09
chem|stspark666: no12:10
timophwell it does but wait a sec12:10
spark666on guide say to get out the battery and pull it back in12:10
spark666between the 2 flashing12:10
chem|stspark666: well it says order does not matter12:10
timophwhat I do.. 1) power off 2) pull battery 3) connect cable 4) start flasher without -R 5) put battery 6) wait 7) pull battery 8) start flasher again 9) put battery12:11
chem|stspark666: just follow the guide... emmc first then root12:11
spark666chem|st, better that way12:11
timophyep. easier that way :)12:11
spark666if doesnt work ill change order12:11
spark666if it still gonna work :P12:11
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chem|stI wouldn't do the battery removal step... never done that12:12
timophwe did a similar thing with maemo test automation12:12
timophalthough the device was on a fake battery that could be controlled externally12:13
spark666btw,what about CSSU,it works whit latest maemo?12:13
timophi think that's a prerequirement for installing it12:14
timophnot sure though12:14
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spark666i think im gonna do it now..86 % battery should be enough,right? :D12:17
psycho_oreosshould be, provided that you get it right12:20
spark666psycho_oreos, how can i check it beside one widget that i have?12:22
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spark666i have a windows error when i plugg n900 pressing u12:29
infobotit has been said that battery is made by Danionics, or at
spark666it say device unplugged12:29
chem|stspark666: win7?12:30
spark66632 bit12:30
chem|sthmm win7 had issues... no idea if and what - means I drop out as I am no more help now12:30
spark666i read something about libusb or something :-s12:31
psycho_oreosI don't use windows, so I can't help there as well12:31
spark666psycho_oreos, im at a friend and i cant use linux :(12:32
chem|stspark666: wait till you are at home (linux)12:32
chem|stspark666: or boot a pendrivelinux....12:32
spark666i dont have12:33
psycho_oreosspark666, you don't have to install linux you know, there are a few options available12:33
chem|styou have a pendrve?12:33
psycho_oreosliveDVD is another option12:33
spark666no usb or dvd12:36
spark666but it wont work if windows say that?12:36
chem|stspark666: doubt it12:37
spark666but one more question12:37
chem|stwin7 is known to have issues with flashing12:38
chem|stthat's all I know12:38
spark666if i install nokia software updater,it will flash both images?12:38
spark666root and emmc12:38
chem|stand again... no idea...12:38
chem|stmaybe you get info while doing so...12:39
spark666ill try to google it maybe ill have luck :(12:39
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* psycho_oreos doesn't see why there's any need to rush to get the device flashed under windows. Haste makes waste and I'm somewhat inclined to believe you just wanted to flash your N900 under windows so that you can show off something12:43
spark666no,i just wanted to i can customize it after,install some apps etc12:45
psycho_oreosor simply you lied that you're at your friend's house and the bottom line is that you can't use linux and you refuse to12:47
spark666lol,if i said i use gentoo?thats means i know about linux right12:47
spark666but im not here to argue or something,i just wanted some help12:48
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spark666when ill get home ill show you some pics whit my linux running12:48
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spark666psycho_oreos, check this out12:50
bindiwell hello, that looks unusable as fuck12:51
spark666i remembered i have a image uploaded this days12:51
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joga(why unusable?)12:52
jogaawful terminal font though ;p12:52
spark666i like that font,before i used terminus12:53
spark666but we become oft i guess :P12:53
jogaI use terminus too12:53
spark666and bindi awesome wm its very nice,i like tiling window managers12:53
jogabut, matter of taste I guess ;)12:54
jogaI use notion12:55
spark666its nice from what i saw12:55
jogaion3 was excellent and it's basically the same12:55
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spark666but i cant remeber ion its writen in c like dwm?12:59
spark666awesome its in lua to :D13:07
chem|stion for the win, saves my life everytime I powerup my netbook... and noone not even people knowing ion can do anything on it...13:11
chem|stremembers me of setting up a auto hibernation if meta+F-keys are pressed 5 times without actually starting anything^^13:13
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jogachem|st especially for the netbooks it's great because using the touchpad is usually so awkward13:30
jogaand the screen space is efficiently used13:30
chem|stjoga: that is why I chose ion13:30
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LaoLang_coolHow to get a deb pack of installed pkg? apt-get -d install pkg says pkg is already the latest version13:54
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vdvif i want an app is always running in background and mainwindow showing/hiding when user presses app icon, do i need qtsingleapplicaiton stuff, or is the following sufficient?
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freemangordonPali, ping20:32
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ErwinJungeAnyone in here use gcc 4.6 (or even 4.7) in scratchbox?20:34
ErwinJungeOhhh, care to give me instructions on how to do it? :)20:34
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ErwinJungeI'd like to recompile libsamplerate and ffmpeg to see if the improved neon support in gcc 4.6 has any impact on performance20:35
ErwinJungeSeems like those two workloads could really benefit from better vectorization20:36
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freemangordonErwinJunge, it is not easy(and I am not sure I can give you the corect instruction), the only way I can see is to tar.gz compiler and to upload it somewhere20:37
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freemangordonit is about 200 MB20:37
ErwinJungeThat would work for me, if you have the space somewhere20:37
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freemangordonyeah, that could be a problem20:38
freemangordonlet me try20:38
freemangordonmerlin1991, ping20:38
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ErwinJungeSo how did you accomplish this? Did you compile it yourself?20:40
freemangordonin debian20:40
freemangordonalong with binutils 2.2220:41
freemangordonbut it is not easy, trust me on that, it is much easier to upload it for you20:41
ErwinJungeI agree, was just wondering20:43
ErwinJungeI tried compiling gcc from source once, was not a success :)20:43
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freemangordonErwinJunge, have in mind you will have to use a newer libstdc++.so20:44
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ErwinJungeYeah, I read that on tmo somewhere. Is that a problem?20:46
ErwinJungeThose are backwards compatible by definition, right?20:46
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freemangordonwell, i've used it on my primary device, as a replacement of the stock one, no problems seen. but no guarantee, you know :)20:46
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freemangordonErwinJunge, the trickiest part is to compile gcc STATICALLY LINKED, otherwise it won't work in SB20:48
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freemangordonand to pass a correct -rootdir to ./configure20:49
ErwinJungeComparison between between sb and debian sid:
ErwinJungeSeems pretty backwards compatible to me :)20:50
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freemangordonPali, ping21:18
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h2pHas anyone here ever done stuff with VOIP?  I am a computer science student looking for an internship, and got contacted by a company that says they are a VOIP company that makes configurations for phones, uses spreadsheets and visio to make designs, and talks to customers sets up phone systems forthem. Is this a good internship for a CS student or is it a waste of time?21:19
merlin1991             freemangordon pong21:19
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freemangordonmerlin1991, I was asking for your permission to upload gcc 4.6.2 compiled to be used in SB on your server. But because there was silence, I decide to upload it anyway21:20
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RaimuDMCA violation!22:20
Raimu...just kidding.22:21
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* Cor-Ai puts an bun in DocScrutinizer51's mouth23:18
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SniiHi, is there a way to make an install on my N900 that is as bare-bones as possible (possibly just booting to a terminal).. And is there any point in doing so from a performance perspective (if I just want it as a small wireless server or similiar)23:32
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DocScrutinizerSnii: just boot to backupmenu, start ssh23:46
DocScrutinizerpoint: moar RAM23:47
DocScrutinizerwhich is quite a huge point, given the chronically tight RAM situation on a full started maemo23:48
DocScrutinizerotoh there's no point at all in performance tuning, until performance doesn't meet your requirements23:50
SniiDocScrutinizer: Hmm, interesting.. I've never heard of Backupmenu before.23:50
SniiI'll have a look23:50
DocScrutinizerwhat? BM is THE must-have on N90023:50
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DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st saved our lives with it23:51
SniiDocScrutinizer: I just picked my N900 out of the closet after > 1 year... Good to hear that things are progressing.. Why where your lives threatened before BM?23:52
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DocScrutinizerbecause I might explode when some crap fscks up my rootfs23:55
DocScrutinizerwith BM you roll back any time *completely*23:55
DocScrutinizerjust a dirt simple disk-imager23:55
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DocScrutinizeryet the best since sliced bread, almost as awesome as dd, or less, or grep23:56
DocScrutinizerwell, if you were gone for >1 year, you probably also missed the news about CSSU23:57
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DocScrutinizermaemo not dead, just its users smell funny ;-P23:58
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