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| DocScrutinizer | dbus there's dbus scripts pkg | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I didn't suggest to change PSM via dbus (nor any other way) - I suggested to switch from "MyAP-PSM" WLAN connection to "MyAP-USBpowered" WLAN connecton. There are methods to tell ICD2 to switch to a particular connection | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably even dbus | 00:09 |
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| ErwinJunge | Ah, so make 2 connections for same network, one with and one without psm and switch between those. Smart. | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/icd2/group__dbus__api.html#g2d518bd08002c0a8a92c8ba00546360f | 00:52 |
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| ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer, Thanks for looking that up :) I'll see if I can hack something together based on that tomorrow. | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | installing dbus-script 'app', the whole thing probably consists of two dbus script files with one dbus-send cmdline each | 01:05 |
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| Macer | heh | 11:01 |
| Macer | att and verizon are throwing tons of money at windows phonez | 11:02 |
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| Macer | ny times says it is because they are sick of apple and worried about google buying motmob | 11:02 |
| Macer | wonder how well apple will fair when the telcoms tell them to take their iphone and.shove it up their ass | 11:03 |
| RST38h | All these big bad companies are in for an unpleasant surprise around Christmas. | 11:03 |
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| Macer | since they are so hitler with the methods they selland give rights to telcoms | 11:04 |
| Macer | why? | 11:04 |
| RST38h | Microsoft releases WP8 | 11:04 |
| Macer | what happens around christmas? | 11:04 |
| Macer | oh | 11:04 |
| Macer | yah | 11:04 |
| RST38h | WindowsNT based, completely incompatible with WP7 | 11:04 |
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| Macer | lol | 11:04 |
| jaska | wordperfect 8 | 11:04 |
| RST38h | Supposed to run WP7 apps, as backward compatibility, but all the rest is different | 11:05 |
| Macer | so my lumia 900 wont run it? | 11:05 |
| RST38h | Most likely | 11:05 |
| Macer | damn :( | 11:05 |
| Macer | i hope that isnt the case | 11:05 |
| RST38h | Why did you get a freaking Lumia, anyway? It is nothing more than Zune + a phoen app | 11:05 |
| Macer | it is surprisingly nice | 11:05 |
| Macer | awesome even | 11:05 |
| RST38h | Got Lumia 800 here. It sucks moose balls. | 11:05 |
| Macer | i dont know | 11:06 |
| Macer | i love it heh | 11:06 |
| Macer | i am using it now ;) | 11:06 |
| RST38h | Can't play video. Can't run web browsers (builtin IE does not count). Can't use USB mass storage. Can't read books on it. | 11:06 |
| Macer | zune didnt have ssh | 11:06 |
| Macer | oh | 11:06 |
| Macer | 900 plays video fine | 11:06 |
| RST38h | SSH? Forget SSH, this piece of fecal matter cannot even play Xvid | 11:06 |
| Macer | web browser runs fine | 11:06 |
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| Macer | heh | 11:06 |
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| Macer | ie is actually an awesome mob browser | 11:07 |
| Macer | believe it or not | 11:07 |
| RST38h | web browser only runs fine on sites where it does not go bonkers due to one bug or another | 11:07 |
| Macer | wtf uses xvid? lol | 11:07 |
| RST38h | it is a coprolit of a browser | 11:07 |
| Macer | heh | 11:07 |
| Macer | well... i havent ran into any so far | 11:07 |
| Macer | it is amazingly solid | 11:08 |
| RST38h | And to add insult to the injury, I cannot even develop software for it. | 11:08 |
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| Macer | why? | 11:08 |
| RST38h | Because it is only programmed in C# | 11:08 |
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| RST38h | And all of my code is in C/C++ and it is not like I am going to rewrite everything in slow, managed C# | 11:09 |
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| Macer | it supports c++ | 11:10 |
| Macer | lol | 11:10 |
| RST38h | It does not. | 11:10 |
| Macer | yup | 11:10 |
| RST38h | Go find a URL. | 11:10 |
| Macer | cant paste it :( | 11:11 |
| Macer | i will find it tomorrow for you | 11:11 |
| RST38h | It does not support cut&paste? :) | 11:11 |
| Macer | ssh client doesnt | 11:11 |
| RST38h | Anyway, no URL no doughnut. | 11:11 |
| Macer | i saw it earlier | 11:11 |
| Macer | you can use python too :-P | 11:11 |
| Macer | lol | 11:11 |
| RST38h | thanks, I will pass. | 11:12 |
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| * LaoLang_cool is looking for a tool like xclip | 11:14 | |
| LaoLang_cool | any guy could port it to maemo please? | 11:14 |
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| spark666 | hey guys | 11:53 |
| spark666 | i have a question,i checked the wiki and all,and some ppl say to flash first emmc others say rootfs..so what its the right order? | 11:54 |
| RST38h | rootfs first afaik | 11:55 |
| spark666 | hummm :-s | 11:55 |
| RST38h | That is what the automated Windows updater does at least | 11:55 |
| spark666 | RST38h, have you tried whit flasher? | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Why should flasher be any different? | 11:56 |
| spark666 | sometimes in the past nokia updater bricked my n900 | 11:56 |
| spark666 | and i fixed whit flasher | 11:56 |
| spark666 | i had a reboot loop | 11:57 |
| timoph | just don't boot between since afaik it does some symlinking to emmc during the first boot or something | 11:57 |
| spark666 | now i buyed a new n900 at second hand | 11:57 |
| spark666 | and i want to make it nice and clear :D | 11:57 |
| spark666 | timoph, i know that but as i said im not sure about the proper order :-s | 11:58 |
| timoph | not sure if it really matters :) | 11:58 |
| timoph | if one order fails try the other | 11:59 |
| spark666 | but ins there risc to brake it? | 11:59 |
| spark666 | if i mess up whit order | 11:59 |
| timoph | I don't see how that could break it | 12:00 |
| timoph | in the worst care you just have to reflash | 12:00 |
| spark666 | on the images download site its write this http://pastebin.com/VBVzNYp5 | 12:01 |
| timoph | I am actually a bit surprized that I haven't managed to break a single n900 with the flasher | 12:01 |
| chem|st | spark666: yes order might brake | 12:01 |
| timoph | hw damage? | 12:01 |
| timoph | how? | 12:01 |
| spark666 | chem|st, break forever,or just need to reflash again? | 12:02 |
| chem|st | spark666: flash root and without rebooting flash emmc, if you reboot in between it brakes | 12:02 |
| chem|st | spark666: reflash again and again .oO(spoon) | 12:02 |
| spark666 | chem|st, okey then ill try first whit root and then whit emmc | 12:02 |
| spark666 | ]i just wait it to fully charge:P | 12:03 |
| chem|st | if the device runs out of battery you need to charge with an external battery charger... | 12:03 |
| spark666 | thats what im doing now lol | 12:03 |
| spark666 | im at 82% i cant wait :P | 12:04 |
| chem|st | spark666: win or linnux? | 12:04 |
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| spark666 | chem|st, now i use windows couse im at a friend but at home linux (Gentoo) | 12:04 |
| chem|st | the guide changed... | 12:05 |
| chem|st | lol | 12:05 |
| spark666 | what guide? | 12:05 |
| chem|st | flashing.. | 12:05 |
| spark666 | in what way? | 12:05 |
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| chem|st | they made clear that /opt gets deleted by flashing emmc, which gets populated on first boot only | 12:06 |
| spark666 | and that means i need to flash emmc first right? | 12:06 |
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| spark666 | so he can become recreated and after to flash the "linux firmware" | 12:07 |
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| chem|st | just flash both images root and emmc WITHOUT "-R" flag | 12:07 |
| spark666 | ill use -R at the second | 12:08 |
| chem|st | yes | 12:08 |
| spark666 | so he can reboot by default | 12:08 |
| chem|st | I boot by hand if flashing both images just to be sure | 12:08 |
| spark666 | hummm | 12:08 |
| timoph | I usually do by having the cable connected all the time and controlling power/booting by pulling the battery and putting it back | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | timoph: ? | 12:09 |
| timoph | since that way the device boot when you put the battery back | 12:09 |
| spark666 | butyou didnt answered to my question,after you said the guide changed...the order changed to? | 12:09 |
| chem|st | timoph: that brakes with "do not boot in between" | 12:09 |
| timoph | no | 12:10 |
| chem|st | spark666: no | 12:10 |
| timoph | well it does but wait a sec | 12:10 |
| spark666 | on guide say to get out the battery and pull it back in | 12:10 |
| spark666 | between the 2 flashing | 12:10 |
| chem|st | spark666: well it says order does not matter | 12:10 |
| timoph | what I do.. 1) power off 2) pull battery 3) connect cable 4) start flasher without -R 5) put battery 6) wait 7) pull battery 8) start flasher again 9) put battery | 12:11 |
| chem|st | spark666: just follow the guide... emmc first then root | 12:11 |
| spark666 | chem|st, better that way | 12:11 |
| timoph | yep. easier that way :) | 12:11 |
| spark666 | if doesnt work ill change order | 12:11 |
| spark666 | if it still gonna work :P | 12:11 |
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| chem|st | I wouldn't do the battery removal step... never done that | 12:12 |
| timoph | we did a similar thing with maemo test automation | 12:12 |
| timoph | although the device was on a fake battery that could be controlled externally | 12:13 |
| spark666 | btw,what about CSSU,it works whit latest maemo? | 12:13 |
| spark666 | pr1.3 | 12:13 |
| timoph | i think that's a prerequirement for installing it | 12:14 |
| timoph | not sure though | 12:14 |
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| spark666 | i think im gonna do it now..86 % battery should be enough,right? :D | 12:17 |
| psycho_oreos | should be, provided that you get it right | 12:20 |
| spark666 | psycho_oreos, how can i check it beside one widget that i have? | 12:22 |
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| chem|st | !battery | 12:29 |
| spark666 | i have a windows error when i plugg n900 pressing u | 12:29 |
| psycho_oreos | ~battery | 12:29 |
| infobot | it has been said that battery is made by Danionics http://www.danionics.com/products/icphh02.asp, or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/questions.html#AEN744 | 12:29 |
| spark666 | it say device unplugged | 12:29 |
| chem|st | spark666: win7? | 12:30 |
| spark666 | yep | 12:30 |
| spark666 | 32 bit | 12:30 |
| chem|st | hmm win7 had issues... no idea if and what - means I drop out as I am no more help now | 12:30 |
| spark666 | i read something about libusb or something :-s | 12:31 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't use windows, so I can't help there as well | 12:31 |
| chem|st | ~charging | 12:31 |
| spark666 | psycho_oreos, im at a friend and i cant use linux :( | 12:32 |
| chem|st | spark666: wait till you are at home (linux) | 12:32 |
| spark666 | hummm | 12:32 |
| chem|st | spark666: or boot a pendrivelinux.... | 12:32 |
| spark666 | i dont have | 12:33 |
| spark666 | ... | 12:33 |
| psycho_oreos | spark666, you don't have to install linux you know, there are a few options available | 12:33 |
| chem|st | you have a pendrve? | 12:33 |
| psycho_oreos | liveDVD　is another option | 12:33 |
| spark666 | no usb or dvd | 12:36 |
| spark666 | but it wont work if windows say that? | 12:36 |
| chem|st | spark666: doubt it | 12:37 |
| spark666 | but one more question | 12:37 |
| chem|st | win7 is known to have issues with flashing | 12:38 |
| chem|st | that's all I know | 12:38 |
| spark666 | if i install nokia software updater,it will flash both images? | 12:38 |
| spark666 | root and emmc | 12:38 |
| spark666 | ? | 12:38 |
| chem|st | and again... no idea... | 12:38 |
| chem|st | maybe you get info while doing so... | 12:39 |
| spark666 | ill try to google it maybe ill have luck :( | 12:39 |
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| * psycho_oreos doesn't see why there's any need to rush to get the device flashed under windows. Haste makes waste and I'm somewhat inclined to believe you just wanted to flash your N900 under windows so that you can show off something | 12:43 | |
| spark666 | lol | 12:44 |
| spark666 | no,i just wanted to hurry.so i can customize it after,install some apps etc | 12:45 |
| spark666 | :) | 12:45 |
| psycho_oreos | or simply you lied that you're at your friend's house and the bottom line is that you can't use linux and you refuse to | 12:47 |
| spark666 | lol,if i said i use gentoo?thats means i know about linux right | 12:47 |
| spark666 | but im not here to argue or something,i just wanted some help | 12:48 |
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| spark666 | when ill get home ill show you some pics whit my linux running | 12:48 |
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| spark666 | psycho_oreos, check this out | 12:50 |
| spark666 | http://i.imgur.com/Y25Bc.png | 12:50 |
| spark666 | ;) | 12:50 |
| bindi | well hello, that looks unusable as fuck | 12:51 |
| spark666 | i remembered i have a image uploaded this days | 12:51 |
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| joga | (why unusable?) | 12:52 |
| joga | awful terminal font though ;p | 12:52 |
| spark666 | i like that font,before i used terminus | 12:53 |
| spark666 | but we become oft i guess :P | 12:53 |
| joga | I use terminus too | 12:53 |
| spark666 | and bindi awesome wm its very nice,i like tiling window managers | 12:53 |
| joga | but, matter of taste I guess ;) | 12:54 |
| joga | I use notion | 12:55 |
| spark666 | its nice from what i saw | 12:55 |
| joga | ion3 was excellent and it's basically the same | 12:55 |
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| spark666 | but i cant remeber ion its writen in c like dwm? | 12:59 |
| spark666 | notion* | 12:59 |
| joga | lua | 13:02 |
| spark666 | awesome its in lua to :D | 13:07 |
| chem|st | ion for the win, saves my life everytime I powerup my netbook... and noone not even people knowing ion can do anything on it... | 13:11 |
| chem|st | remembers me of setting up a auto hibernation if meta+F-keys are pressed 5 times without actually starting anything^^ | 13:13 |
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| joga | heh | 13:20 |
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| joga | chem|st especially for the netbooks it's great because using the touchpad is usually so awkward | 13:30 |
| joga | and the screen space is efficiently used | 13:30 |
| chem|st | joga: that is why I chose ion | 13:30 |
| joga | yup | 13:30 |
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| vdv | if i want an app is always running in background and mainwindow showing/hiding when user presses app icon, do i need qtsingleapplicaiton stuff, or is the following sufficient? http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Qt_application_for_Maemo_with_DBus_support | 15:51 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, ping | 20:32 |
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| ErwinJunge | Anyone in here use gcc 4.6 (or even 4.7) in scratchbox? | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | yep | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | 4.6.2 | 20:34 |
| ErwinJunge | Ohhh, care to give me instructions on how to do it? :) | 20:34 |
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| ErwinJunge | I'd like to recompile libsamplerate and ffmpeg to see if the improved neon support in gcc 4.6 has any impact on performance | 20:35 |
| ErwinJunge | Seems like those two workloads could really benefit from better vectorization | 20:36 |
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| freemangordon | ErwinJunge, it is not easy(and I am not sure I can give you the corect instruction), the only way I can see is to tar.gz compiler and to upload it somewhere | 20:37 |
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| freemangordon | it is about 200 MB | 20:37 |
| ErwinJunge | That would work for me, if you have the space somewhere | 20:37 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, that could be a problem | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | let me try | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, ping | 20:38 |
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| ErwinJunge | So how did you accomplish this? Did you compile it yourself? | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | yep | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | in debian | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | along with binutils 2.22 | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | but it is not easy, trust me on that, it is much easier to upload it for you | 20:41 |
| ErwinJunge | I agree, was just wondering | 20:43 |
| ErwinJunge | I tried compiling gcc from source once, was not a success :) | 20:43 |
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| freemangordon | ErwinJunge, have in mind you will have to use a newer libstdc++.so | 20:44 |
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| ErwinJunge | Yeah, I read that on tmo somewhere. Is that a problem? | 20:46 |
| ErwinJunge | Those are backwards compatible by definition, right? | 20:46 |
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| flat` | 20:46 | |
| freemangordon | well, i've used it on my primary device, as a replacement of the stock one, no problems seen. but no guarantee, you know :) | 20:46 |
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| freemangordon | ErwinJunge, the trickiest part is to compile gcc STATICALLY LINKED, otherwise it won't work in SB | 20:48 |
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| freemangordon | and to pass a correct -rootdir to ./configure | 20:49 |
| ErwinJunge | Comparison between libstdc++.so.6 between sb and debian sid: http://pastebin.com/CjKWhxce | 20:50 |
| ErwinJunge | Seems pretty backwards compatible to me :) | 20:50 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, ping | 21:18 |
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| h2p | Has anyone here ever done stuff with VOIP? I am a computer science student looking for an internship, and got contacted by a company that says they are a VOIP company that makes configurations for phones, uses spreadsheets and visio to make designs, and talks to customers sets up phone systems forthem. Is this a good internship for a CS student or is it a waste of time? | 21:19 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon pong | 21:19 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991, I was asking for your permission to upload gcc 4.6.2 compiled to be used in SB on your server. But because there was silence, I decide to upload it anyway | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/develdebs/ | 21:20 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 21:20 |
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| Raimu | ...just kidding. | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | *YAWN* | 23:18 |
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| Snii | Hi, is there a way to make an install on my N900 that is as bare-bones as possible (possibly just booting to a terminal).. And is there any point in doing so from a performance perspective (if I just want it as a small wireless server or similiar) | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Snii: just boot to backupmenu, start ssh | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | point: moar RAM | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is quite a huge point, given the chronically tight RAM situation on a full started maemo | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh there's no point at all in performance tuning, until performance doesn't meet your requirements | 23:50 |
| Snii | DocScrutinizer: Hmm, interesting.. I've never heard of Backupmenu before. | 23:50 |
| Snii | I'll have a look | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? BM is THE must-have on N900 | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st saved our lives with it | 23:51 |
| Snii | DocScrutinizer: I just picked my N900 out of the closet after > 1 year... Good to hear that things are progressing.. Why where your lives threatened before BM? | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because I might explode when some crap fscks up my rootfs | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | with BM you roll back any time *completely* | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a dirt simple disk-imager | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yet the best since sliced bread, almost as awesome as dd, or less, or grep | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you were gone for >1 year, you probably also missed the news about CSSU | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maemo not dead, just its users smell funny ;-P | 23:58 |
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