IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-04-25

MrPinguI am trying to load dsp profile on opening lenscover, as I like to only overclock when I want HD recording and back to normal on lenscover close ;)00:01
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narcosI'd like to compile some extra modules for the power-kernel00:30
narcosI'm following this guide -
narcosBut I get errors along the way00:30
narcosCould anyone recommend another tutorial?00:30
narcosOr, let me tell you about the error. After adding the following two entries to /etc/apt/sources.list :00:31
narcosdeb fremantle free non-free00:31
narcosdeb-src fremantle free00:31
narcosI do a "fakeroot apt-get update" which results in the error:00:32
narcosW: GPG error: fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'00:32
narcosW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems00:32
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narcosAny ideas?00:33
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narcosQuiet channel this, for the number of occupants.01:10
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SpeedEvilnarcos: We're all mostly lurking here in the vain hope that nokia will release more Maemo - or related handsets.01:33
SpeedEvilOr to talk about other handsets that may be comparable.01:33
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narcosSpeedEvil: heh, gotcha01:56
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r00t|homenarcos: like, run under strace to see which file it's missing?04:00
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internetishard1how can you see when a contact was added?06:49
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ruskie hahaha review of nokia lumia 80012:05
ruskiepros: windows phone 7.512:05
ruskiecons: windows phone 7.512:05
psycho_oreosvery detailed report too12:07
psycho_oreosrather review12:07
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ruskiejust the end result12:08
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jacekowskiwell, apparently sales are picking up now12:15
psycho_oreosthe last I want to hear are windows users come screaming in for support on maemo/harmattan just like those who wanted to install maemo on <insert any random non maemo device here>12:18
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teotwakijacekowski: "sales are picking up" is a dubious statement. it just means that one person bought a device.12:28
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vdvhi all12:39
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vdvwhy if i do apt-get remove libmodest-dbus-client, about 44 packages are also to be removed?12:40
timophpackages depending on it12:40
vdvincluding hilden-applications-manager12:40
vdvi understand, that it's because of deps12:40
vdvbut why that package have so many deps?12:41
chem|stall the nokia packages are depending on each other12:41
vdvisn't libmodest-dbus-client related only to modest email app?12:41
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chem|stmodest is the primary email app, if you remove it addressbook brakes if you remove addressbook hildon-desktop brakes if you remove hildon-desktop hildon-home brakes and so on12:42
vdvit's strange for me, that removing one modest related package cleans-up all system12:42
vdvchem|st, ok, thanks12:43
chem|stvdv: its like removing totem on a gnome system... you will end up with a server like config12:43
chem|stvdv: for maemo even more strickt12:44
* vdv is happy that he uses slackware on desktop12:44
* chem|st is happy to have her sister leave slackware alone for now...12:45
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StyXmanvdv: try removing any i18n package...12:54
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vdvStyXman, no, thanks :)12:54
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* ruskie has a simple solution for that... dummy packages that install nothing but replace the existing ones12:55
ruskiehave a script that generates the relevant stuff12:56
ruskie <-- in case someone cares about it12:57
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mongrolaha, there is a maemo channel12:58
ruskieyou pass it what you want(gen_backup or gen_break) and a  package name and it will generate either a backup of the currently installed package or an empty package12:59
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psycho_oreoshmm gen_backup function, don't tell me you've reinvented the wheel which dpkg-repack does ;)13:01
ruskiepsycho_oreos, I believe the limitation was it needs to work on vanilla maemo13:02
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ruskiepsycho_oreos, which doesn't have dpkg-repack13:02
ruskieit reinvents a lot of the stuff13:03
psycho_oreosruskie, not that I've tried out your script but I wonder what would be the difference, for countless amounts of times I've relied on dpkg-repack when it comes to repacking those installed debs13:03
ruskieI doubt there would be much13:03
ruskiemaybe a bit more metadata13:03
DocScrutinizersounds interesting13:04
psycho_oreosyeah I do know dpkg-repack complains alot about all the extra metadata, usually those x-maemo-icon, etc13:04
ruskieand frankly I don't really care about reinventing the wheel or not13:05
ruskieit was a nice learning experience13:05
ruskieon how to hand craft .debs13:05
ruskiewhich I might need for some other project I had on the backburner as well13:05
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psycho_oreoslooking at the script, its not just sounds interesting to me, its actually very interesting. It doesn't heavily rely on dpkg-deb which dpkg-repack heavily relies on.. let alone the build functionality out of that dpkg-deb. Reminds me that this could very well be an alternative for me to get gnu-tar installed on my harmattan as that has now become a real pita on pr1.113:08
ruskiewell as said... the limitation was vanilla maemo 513:09
psycho_oreosI know I know, just looking at it, that could be something that I could base my bit of work around to make it working on harmattan. Thanks for the link!13:11
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ruskieI'll probably/eventually do something similar for rpms as well... will have to see about slackware but might do it as well eventually13:12
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vdvif modest doesn't autoupdate inside of xephyr, does that mean, that on real device that will happen too?13:58
* ShadowJK wouldn't count on it13:59
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vdvShadowJK, ok14:02
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vdvdoes modest permanently delete messages? there's no trash folder, and it doesn't use gmail's trash folder too...14:25
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ruskie <-- heh14:56
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RST38hSolutions stirred with SCP-1067-c continue to stir themselves for up to four (4) hours after the initial stirring, even when obstructed with solid objects. Any liquids that come into contact with SCP-1067-c immediately become oolong tea.15:21
kerioRST38h: SCP is sooooo good15:23
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ErwinJungeWeird problem: my scratchbox doesn't have dh_make?18:11
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ErwinJunge(debhelper is installed)18:12
ErwinJungedpkg -L debhelper | grep -c -E 'dh_make$'    ---> 018:12
jacekowskithere is no dh_make18:13
jacekowskior maybe there is18:13
ErwinJungeif there is no dh_make then how are we supposed to roll deb packages?18:14
ErwinJungeI can run it from the host system ofc, but seems odd that it's not in scratchbox18:15
ErwinJungeMy host system has dh_make in a package named dh-make btw, but that's not in the scratchbox18:15
jacekowskiit's in different package18:15
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jacekowskibut i've got no idea where18:19
jacekowskihmm, no18:20
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jacekowskiNote: dh_make doesn't seem to be provided by the Squeeze devkit, so you'll have to run it outside of Scratchbox to get a debian/ folder based on debhelper 7.18:20
jacekowskiso you have to use older devki18:20
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ErwinJungeConfusing. So which would be better, run dh_make from outside scratchbox, or install debhelper7?18:22
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jonwilbah, I forgot how long Gentoo takes to build glibc :P18:44
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ErwinJungejonwil, How long would that be?18:46
jonwila couple hours18:46
jonwilon my box anyway18:46
ErwinJungeWow. I entertained the idea of switching to gentoo for a bit, but settled for debian sid instead eventually. Seems I made the right choice :)18:47
ErwinJungeI'm on an Atom powered netbook. What takes hours for normal people to compile takes days here ;)18:48
jonwilMy box is a P4 1.418:48
jonwilwith I think 1GB of ram18:48
ErwinJungeAh, so not exactly "normal" either18:48
* SpeedEvil wonders.18:49
* ErwinJunge wonders what SpeedEvil wonders18:49
SpeedEvilIf it's open enough18:51
ErwinJungeI wouldn't hold my breath18:53
ArkanoiD_opensh: operation not permitted. wtf? i don't remember any dev mode updates to be installed recently18:53
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jonwilbah, no-wonder my gentoo compiles take so long, this box only has 512mb of RAM, not the 1GB I thought it had19:05
jonwilNot that I would be able to get more RAM for the thing though, its too old for that :P19:05
jonwilbah, its up to package 8 of 25819:06
ErwinJungejonwil, what is your estimate of the total compile duration?19:06
jonwilno idea19:07
jonwilprobably a day or so depending on how large these packages end up being19:07
jonwile.g. if those 258 packages include things like GCC or KDE or QT, its going to take longer19:08
teotwakiArkanoiD_: don't run binaries from the fat partition.19:08
jonwilThankfully I dont have any of the REALLY big packages installed like OO.o or Firefox19:09
jonwiloh snap, now the thing is telling me I am running out of disk space :(19:09
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ArkanoiD_oops, wrong channel :-) it was for #harmattan19:15
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swiftkickhello! Can someone help with "Network Based Location Awareness" ?19:58
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r00t|homeswiftkick: ?19:59
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swiftkickr00t|home: !19:59
swiftkickr00t|home: unable to contact user-defined location server. Using instead.19:59
swiftkickWhenever I use mapping applications, or often times upon booting the phone, I get the phone asking if I want to enable "Network Based Location Awareness".20:00
swiftkickIf I enable it,20:00
swiftkickthe above error message pops up over... and over... and over20:00
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swiftkickI know where the setting is to turn off this feature or put in a user-defined server adress.20:01
swiftkickBut when I call my provider, AT&T, they dont seem to know what the hell I'm talking about. }=^>20:01
swiftkickr00t|home: any ideas?20:02
swiftkickIve been googling on it and not coming up with much.20:02
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r00t|homethe server is unrelated to your provider in any case20:04
r00t|homethe default one is run by nokia, and there was some alternative from another company that's supposedly more reliable20:04
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r00t|homeas far as i know (aka, wild guess), the system works by gps-enabled phone submitting mappings between gps-location and cell-id, which the server uses to locate cells20:05
r00t|homein any case, you don't need a server provided by your provider20:05
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ErwinJungejonwil, Had to go for a while, but have one more question about your gentoo on P4 install: Why?20:49
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jonwilI inherited this computer from someone to set up as a Linux box and dabble in Linux20:50
jonwilthey had bought something new20:50
jonwilso in this case its "free hardware"20:50
ErwinJungeI meant "why gentoo" :)20:51
jonwilas for why Gentoo instead of say Ubuntu, I happen to like Gentoo20:51
jonwiland I like the idea that I can recompile any package I like with different options easily20:51
ErwinJunge"easily" being very relative in this case ;)20:51
jonwilit may be slow but it does compile :)20:52
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jonwiland besides, watching large packages compile can be a good way to take your mind off stuff if you are frustrated by something else20:52
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jonwillike not being able to figure out the inner workings of connui-home-cellular :P20:52
ErwinJungeHaha :) Is the system usable while it's compiling?20:53
jonwilyeah it sort of is20:54
jonwilcommand line at least20:54
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ErwinJungeHm... so how often do you do these upgrades? Since even with a weekly upgrade it would mean a nearly unusable system for 1/7th of the time :S20:57
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zeqas a Gentoo dev I don't find my system unusable and I'm building almost continuously!20:59
Macernokia drive is great20:59
Macerit's not like ovi maps suckiness20:59
ErwinJungezeq, what are your specs?20:59
Macerit's better than gnav.. you get to download the maps for free :)20:59
ErwinJungeMacer, is that on n900?21:00
MacerErwinJunge: no. lumia 90021:00
Macerwould be nice if they had it for n90021:00
Macerinstead of lame ass ovimaps21:00
Maceri got lost a bunch of times trying to use ovimaps lol21:01
ErwinJungeYup, that's why I asked :)21:01
ErwinJungeNever got lost, it's just a terrible ui mostly.21:01
Macerovi maps has to be the worst i have ever used21:01
Maceryeah heh21:01
zeqErwinJunge: various :)21:01
Maceri don't know what they were thinking with that ui21:01
Macerbut nokia has nokia drive on the ms market21:01
zeqlowest I attempted was a PXA270 ;)21:02
Macerand it's awesome heh.. i'm surprised they're giving it away for free21:02
Maceri guess to compete with google and gnav.. which is awesome as well minus the need for a net connection21:02
ErwinJungezeq, I'm on an Atom N450 powered netbook, which is the reason I never tried Gentoo. It seems prohibitively much compiletime.21:02
zeqif it's your only system, then yes, that's prohibitive21:03
zeqif you have a secondary system with some spare cycles distcc helps a lot21:03
Macerlol... i thought the point of gentoo was to make bins that were without a doubt made for your system21:03
ErwinJungeIn practice it is. I also have a C2D desktop standing around, but need to be able to pack up and leave with the pc quickly, which is kind of hard with a desktop ;)21:03
Macerin order to make more efficient bins21:03
zeqdistcc doesn't change that21:04
Macerseems like a moot point if you have to build everything heh21:04
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zeqyou only *need* to re-emerge for security fixes21:04
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Macerall that efficiency is lost in the initial installing of apps21:04
ErwinJungeOh, so I could farm out the compiling to my c2d?21:04
Macerit's like the ethanol of linux :)21:05
zeqinvested :)21:05
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ErwinJungeI guess I should dive into it again sometime. Took the time to read through the guide a while ago, but googling on "gentoo compile time on atom" turned me off to the idea ;)21:06
zeqyep, on modern laptop/desktop hw it's pretty quick to emerge most things, okay not OpenOffice...21:07
ErwinJungeDon't like or use openoffice anyway, so that's not an issue for me21:07
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ErwinJungeBtw, current project (which might be of interest to some people here): porting aqualung to maemo.21:09
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ErwinJungeWhich is turning out to be relatively easy. I've got an initial version working already and it's also gapless on device (hooray!). Which leaves me with two remaining issues: (1) packaging (2) porting a desktop gtk ui to hildon21:10
ErwinJungeAny good tips on either heartily appreciated btw ;)21:11
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zeqhas anybody ported nss_mdns to maemo?21:13
ErwinJungeapt-cache search nss-mdns21:16
ErwinJungelibnss-mdns - NSS module for Multicast DNS name resolution21:16
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ErwinJungewhich is apparently in fremantle/free21:19
ErwinJungeversion 0.10-3.1maemo121:19
ErwinJungeAnything else you want to know? :)21:19
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rZrfyi /usr/bin/mdns-scan just built for harmattan21:23
zeqoh, wasn't there last time I checked... lets see21:23
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zeqthat's funny, I must be missing a repo21:30
freemangordonPali, ping21:32
Palifreemangordon, pong21:33
freemangordonPali, what exactly is doing this:21:33
freemangordontwl4030_i2c_write_u8(TWL4030_CHIP_PM_MASTER, 0x02,21:33
freemangordonthat is from u-boot rx51.c21:33
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Palifreemangordon, it enable i2c access to powerbus21:36
Paliso then we can set twl4030 regulator mode21:36
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ErwinJungeIsn't fremantle/free the official maemo repo that should be on all devices at all times?21:45
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ErwinJungePali, I tried backporting g-audio from 2.6.31 (first appearance) but got about 300 lines of problems when trying to compile :) Apparently, lot's of stuff changes in 3 kernel releases. Would it be a good idea to simply copy-paste the missing stuff from 2.6.31 into g-audio, or will that likely lead me nowhere?21:47
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zeqI have it now. Working well :) much easier than remembering local IPv6 addresses :P21:50
ErwinJungeHaha, it definitely is :)21:51
PaliErwinJunge, backport what is needed21:51
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ErwinJungeWouldn't that require rebuilding the kernel? I was hoping to just do this as a module.21:52
vdvanyone knows, where gtk icons stored physically? where does gtk_icon_theme_load_icon function look up?21:52
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ErwinJungevdv /usr/share/icons (I think)21:54
vdvi've checked that dir21:55
vdvicons for that concrete app are not there21:56
ErwinJungeAnd your problem is...21:56
vdvlook under /opt also21:56
ErwinJungedpkg -L packagename   --> lists files installed by package21:56
vdvicons don't come with package21:57
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vdvi have sources21:57
vdvthey're not in source tarball too21:57
ErwinJungeok, be more specific. what package are we talking about and what icons are you missing?21:57
vdvi just want to know where icons are located21:58
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vdvmodest uses gtk_icon_theme_load_icon function21:58
vdvto fetch icons by name21:58
ErwinJungeand the name of the icon is...21:58
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vdvfor example, mail_reply21:59
ErwinJunge[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr] > find -name '*mail*reply*'22:01
ErwinJungeEither of those fit what you mean?22:01
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vdvfile name don't correspond icon name in sources22:03
vdvErwinJunge, thanks a lot22:05
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ErwinJungevdv, no problem :) For future reference, the names used in the sources of modest are defined in src/hildon2/modest-icon-names.h22:08
ErwinJungeAs found by:22:08
ErwinJunge[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/modest/modest-3.4.8+0m5] > grep -R 'email_message_reply' *22:08
ErwinJungesrc/hildon2/modest-icon-names.h:#define  MODEST_TOOLBAR_ICON_REPLY"email_message_reply"22:08
ErwinJungesrc/hildon2/modest-icon-names.h:#define  MODEST_TOOLBAR_ICON_REPLY_ALL"email_message_reply_all"22:08
vdvErwinJunge, there's also email_reply macro22:08
ErwinJungegrep and find are your friends in this case :)22:09
vdvah, it's src/gtk/*22:09
ErwinJungeThat's in gnome, not hildon :)22:09
vdvmy mistake22:10
ErwinJungeno problem, happy to help22:10
ErwinJungePali, Wouldn't that require rebuilding the kernel? I was hoping to just do this as a module.22:10
Palimaybe yes22:10
Paliif that module using something new, then you need to patch kernel22:11
Paliif not, then you maybe can compile without modifing kernel22:11
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ErwinJungewould you mind looking at my make output to see if that's the case? I don't feel comfortably patching the kernel.22:13
infobotErwinJunge meant: would you mind looking at my make output to see if that's the case? I don't feel comfortable patching the kernel.22:13
Paliseems, that you need to patch kernel22:17
ErwinJungeWell, that22:18
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ErwinJunge's off the table then. Seems a bit too dangerous with my zero kernel-mucking experience.22:18
ErwinJungeAre you accepting feature requests in powerkernel? ;)22:19
Palino time for backporting it22:22
Paliif sombody has time and write me patch I can include it in kernel-power22:23
ErwinJungeAlright then, was a nice idea, maybe I'll get around to it someday. How dangerous would it be? (i.e. can I permanently brick my device?)22:24
ErwinJungepatching the kernel in an attempt to get g-audio working22:29
PaliI think that if you do not touch something crytical the worst think will be that you will need to reflash device with flasher-3.522:30
PaliI booted more times a lot my patches :D and my n900 is still working22:30
ErwinJungeOk, but did you have kernel hacking experience before?22:31
Palifull reflash and external battery charger fixed all my problems22:31
Palisome yes22:31
Paliyou can always test your kernel in qemu22:32
Paliso if you creating something bad it will not boot in qemu22:32
ErwinJungeDo you have a clear howto on that?22:32
Palion what? backporting g_audio?22:33
Palisee errors from compiler22:33
Paliand see what structures was changes and how22:33
ErwinJungeno, trying the kernel on qemu :)22:33
Paliinstall madde22:33
Palimadde has n900 qemu image22:33
Palicreate kernel deb packages22:33
ErwinJungeI can probably fix the backporting stuff, just scared to permanently destroy my device if I screw up.22:34
Paliand install it in madde qemu22:34
Palithen reboot qemu (like n900) and see if it boot again :D22:34
ErwinJungeOk, thanks for the info. If I have some time to spare I'll probably give it a shot.22:35
Paliif not remove madde qemu image, install default and try another build :-)22:35
Palialso, in madde you need special kernel module for 3D acceleration (needed by Xserver)22:36
Palisource code are on:
Palidefault madde qemu image has it for default 2.6.28 kernel22:37
Palibut if you build kernel-power, you need to recompile that module and do not remember to install it before reboot22:37
Paliwithout that module madde qemu image will not boot into X and hildon-desktop22:37
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ErwinJungeI guess you mean "do not forget" instead of "do not remember"?22:41
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ErwinJungeAnyway, thanks for the instructions. I copy-pasted them somewhere safe as a howto so that I can give it a shot sometime when I have more time. I'll finish porting aqualung first, since that solves 95% of my problems anyway and is a lot simpler.22:47
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, Would it be possible to automatically switch PSM on/off when connecting/disconnecting a power supply?23:15
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ErwinJungeThe reason I'm asking is because this is the way my laptop works and it provides the best of both worlds, great batterylife when off power and great performance when on power23:16
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DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: hmm, quite possibly possible23:40
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DocScrutinizerI'm musing along the line: 2 connection settings to same AP (one with, 1 w/o PSM=max), a dbus-script that triggers on USB/charger plug-in/out and switches connection(-priority)23:43
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ErwinJungeSomething along those lines, yes. I can hack the dbus thing together in python without problems, but do the psm settings have dbus?23:53
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