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DocScrutinizerwhen I got two .tgz that differ only in a few small files, a few bytes in there, while 99.9% are identical... What will a new compressing them into another .tgz get me? 0% compression or 50%?01:09
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DocScrutinizeris there even *any* compressing archiver that would result in any compression on archiving two 100% identical .tgz?01:12
DocScrutinizer(given the original .tgz files are >256bytes)01:12
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DocScrutinizerthought as much01:20
SpeedEvilA block compressor with a large enough window will compress two identical files of under the block size to one01:20
SpeedEvilBut compression is like encryption01:21
DocScrutinizereven the smartest compression algo won't use a "dictionary" of several MB length - based on the one file01:21
SpeedEvilone or two bytes different in the input stream (the uncompressed tar) - means the output catastrophically differs01:21
DocScrutinizerwell, actually they were .tar01:22
DocScrutinizerbut that would complicate my basic question01:22
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DocScrutinizerdd if=/dev/urandom of=file1 bs=1M count=1; cp file1 file2; tar -czf archive file1 file201:27
SpeedEviltry it with 100k, and bzip2 -901:28
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SpeedEvilI need to do some work on that web-proxy thing.01:51
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Sazpaimon__tell me if I made the right decision07:20
Sazpaimon__my girlfriend started playing minecraft07:20
Sazpaimon__so im like, what will get you to *not* play this game07:20
Sazpaimon__she says coin dozer07:20
Sazpaimon__so I get out the N900, install nitdroid and coin dozer07:21
Sazpaimon__i dont know which is worse07:21
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jogaSazpaimon__ why not play minecraft?07:27
jogachallenge her to build a computer there07:27
Sazpaimon__because minecraft is stupid07:28
jogano it's not07:29
jogasounds like you haven't played it! :p07:29
jogawhy not play with your girlfriend in multiplayer?07:29
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Sazpaimon__I have played it07:36
Sazpaimon__its stupid07:36
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jogaSazpaimon in comparison to what?07:39
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Sazpaimonit doesnt compare07:40
Sazpaimonits in a league of its own07:40
jogayeah, it doesn't :)07:40
Sazpaimona league i want no part of07:40
jogait's more like painting than playing some "game"07:40
Sazpaimonthis is coming from someone that runs a minecraft server07:41
Sazpaimoni just dont like it07:41
jogawhat sort of server do you run?07:41
Sazpaimonjust a vanilla server07:41
jogaI didn't really bother much with it either before I found there was a technic pack and a multiplayer version too07:42
jogaso it was great fun building machines with a couple of friends07:42
jogabut anyway, it is more like a sandbox where you have to make you own fun, and some of it can be pretty intimidating for sure heh07:43
jogato me it's very impressive from a simulation perspective and social interaction07:43
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Sazpaimonon a side note a microsim fits well on an N90007:45
Sazpaimononce you align it correctly07:46
jogaheh, I made a ghetto solar usb charger an hour ago, it's charging a tiny phone right now. anyone tried a solar panel with n900?07:50
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robbiethe1stjoga: so long as your voltage is between 4.5 and 6V it'll attempt to charge08:02
robbiethe1stSo long as the voltage never goes over 20V, you won't ruin anything.08:02
jogarobbiethe1st yeah, these have a decent 7.5V or so and I have 3 of them in parallel (with a 5v voltage regulator), it's the first time I just actually test them to charge something08:03
robbiethe1stN900's TI charging chip is surprisingly tolerant; if the voltage droops too much however, it will slow down/stop charging...08:04
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jogarobbiethe1st ok08:23
jogaI'll see how the little phone does first if I go to sleep and leave it there08:23
jogasun's shining here already08:23
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fluxwhen using gst-launch for streaming video out of n900, is there a way to focus the camera?12:51
fluxI guess I could do it at least with a custom software that activates the gstreamer pipeline.. maybe even python, direct-on-device?12:52
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fluxat least if I'm able to acces the v4l2 device directly (can I get the fd handle from gstreamer? can I reopen the device? at least I could find the open fd from proc :P)13:00
flux..I should be able to set the focus to 'auto'13:00
fluxoh, it gives device-fd, so it should work alright. next question, is there an app that already does this?-)13:01
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freemangordonguys, recently i bought a nokia phone to my GF. for my surprise, the battery inside was the same (BL5J) as in n900, but 1430 mAh, instead of 1320, so we swap the batteries. The problem is, that lshal never shows more than about 1200 mAh charge, capacity is correctly reported (1415). Anything I can do to fully charge the battery?13:09
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user_hi there, got a question.13:14
user_is it possible to continuous capture images with the n900?13:15
user_maybe over the shell?13:15
user_used to do the same with my canon eos13:16
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ShadowJKphone-control has a option to take pics but ime they dont come out well13:30
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DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: your question is incorrect13:46
freemangordon:) why?13:47
freemangordonDocScrutinizer ^^^13:47
DocScrutinizerlshal never shows more than   VS   I can do to fully charge the battery13:47
DocScrutinizerfigure :-D13:47
freemangordonwell, ok. However, it seems bme really does not want to charge that over 80%.13:48
DocScrutinizerwhat makes you think so?13:48
freemangordonthat is what lshal shows13:49
ShadowJKCharging is OK, the meter isn't13:49
freemangordonhmm, why is that?13:49
DocScrutinizerI thought he already noticed, after I critisized his Q, ShadowJK :-D13:49
freemangordonbme does not know what current for how long? really?13:50
ShadowJKit's somewhat hardcoded for 1200mAh-ish battery :P13:50
ShadowJKAnd it has some voltage curve matching stuff going on too, mixed with the current integration stuff13:51
freemangordonso, if i understand what you say, the battrey is fully charged, but i have 7 bars? And that is ok?13:51
DocScrutinizerget bq27k-detail to get an idea13:51
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, your i2c script would do the better job?13:52
ShadowJKIf you get green light with bme charging, it's more than full13:52
DocScrutinizeror bq27200.sh13:52
freemangordonthe one in wiki?13:53
ShadowJK(except if you insert charger when battery is close to full (80-90 percent or so), green light might come on right away, but it's still charging13:53
ShadowJKThe charging, green light, and bme battery meter all operate independently..13:54
freemangordonok, thanks a lot.13:54
ShadowJKand bars - percentage mapping isn't linear :)13:54
freemangordonyeah, i know that, but lshal showing 80% and battery meter showing 7 bars 15 minutes after green led made me curious WTF is going on13:55
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: yes, the one on wiki (I guess)13:56
freemangordonok, thanks13:56
ShadowJKAlso it's designed to show "0" relatively early on, so that device runs long enough to find charger cable and more13:57
freemangordonyeah, know that too13:57
ShadowJKThe hardware charge meter has nice accuracy, but it's 0 point is kinda low13:57
ShadowJKAnd default parameters in it are really wrong13:57
freemangordonyeah, it needs calibration13:58
ShadowJKbut it self-learns and adjusts those, however under bme control the required conditions for self-learning are never met13:58
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, what has happened with your project (together with pali) for bme replacement?13:58
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ShadowJKbbl, food13:59
DocScrutinizerI dunno about what pali does, I never had any such project actually13:59
freemangordonbut you wrote some specs iirc13:59
PaliI had created driver14:00
DocScrutinizerwhich pali generously disregarded14:00
freemangordonso, hof far are we from getting bme replaced?14:00
Paliready for testing14:00
freemangordonwow, where?14:00
PaliI wrote info somewhere in TMO usb host mode thread14:01
freemangordonbut that deserves its own thread aiui14:01
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: btw all I wrote was a 50% done API spec for a bq24150 driver14:02
DocScrutinizernothing at all regarding bme replacement14:02
PaliDocScrutinizer, my driver has interface as you described in spec14:02
DocScrutinizerohh? never realized14:02
PaliI exported all settings via sysfs14:03
Paliall what was written in bq datasheet14:03
freemangordonso, now we just need a wrapper to i2c for bme?14:03
Pali(no idea if TI bq chip has some undocumented registers..)14:03
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: nope14:03
Palino, we need to remove BME :D14:03
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: with pali's (my) sysfs API you don't use i2c anymore14:04
freemangordonyeah, but bme uses it afaik14:04
DocScrutinizerPali: it has no undocumented registers14:04
Palibut kernel driver doing all what is doing BME...14:04
freemangordonand i am not sure we have all the knowlegde needed to integrate in the same way bme does14:04
DocScrutinizerthough bme is writing to register #46 or sth14:04
freemangordondo we?14:05
Paliso then my driver does not doing what BME :D14:05
DocScrutinizerforget that14:05
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DocScrutinizerwe neither need that nor do we want or like to do what bme does14:05
Palifreemangordon, you need to replace hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc library14:06
Palifor both exists open source implementations14:06
Paliyou need only rewrite both programs to use sysfs interface from bq2415x and bq27x00 driver14:06
Paliit is simple addon for hal14:07
Palinothing more14:07
freemangordonhmm, let me see14:07
Palialso check lshal -u on real n90014:07
Palithat version is for n8x014:07
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freemangordondidn't understand that14:07
Paliyou need to export BME properties14:07
Paliyou can see it with command: lshal14:07
freemangordonaah, ok14:08
DocScrutinizerbme is like controlling your washing machine by hand via switching between max heating (95°C) and cold to keep the water @ 60° for the laundry, then manually stepping thru drain water, rinse, tumble, whatnot14:08
DocScrutinizerour bq24150 is the washing machine that perfectly knows to do all that without you(/bme) forcing that manually on it14:08
Paliand libbmeipc is library which communicate with BME14:09
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Paliso needs to rewrite to use again /sys/power/bq... instead some BME socket interface14:09
freemangordonwell, why not do it then?14:09
Palino time :D14:10
freemangordonaah, yeah :D14:10
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: basically it's still non-comparible to a stock system14:11
Palifreemangordon, here is that thread:
DocScrutinizerthanks to friggin bq27200 driver14:11
DocScrutinizerI.E. on a system set up to run that sys/bq interface youz can't use original bme anymore14:12
Paliyou cannot use both BME and bq :D14:12
DocScrutinizerconcurrently obviously not14:12
DocScrutinizerbut tanks to the way sysfs and modules work, it isn't even an alternative at boot time (unless you make sure bq27200.ko isn't modprobed when you plan to boot to the bme version of system)14:14
DocScrutinizeralmost same applies to different versions of hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc14:15
freemangordonAnd why should I want that? i.e. having HW charger, why should I want to use those spaghetti called bme?14:15
PaliDocScrutinizer, both modules (bq2415x_charger.ko and bq27x00_battery.ko) will be always blacklisted in kernel-power14:15
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: no idea :-D14:16
freemangordonwhy the should we care about so-called "bme" version?14:16
PaliI will look at LKML what problems have kernel devs for integrating bq2415x module into upstream14:16
Pali...and try to fix that14:16
freemangordonPali, it is stable in KP50?14:17
DocScrutinizergood plan14:17
PaliI tested it and worked fine with pre v5014:17
Palibinary .ko file on my page is for pre v5014:17
Palicurrent version does not support autoselect changer current limit14:18
DocScrutinizerPali: I got 3 weeks holiday now, *maybe* I could invest some time into this development14:18
Palibut in upstream kernel is isp1704 driver which provide inromations about connected charger type14:19
freemangordonand I have 4 days, lets do something about it14:19
DocScrutinizerPali: this upstream isp1704 driver for _sure_ conflicts with our monolitic kernel USB driver14:20
Paliyes I know14:20
Palibut code for isp driver is copied from musb 2.6.2814:20
PaliI will look if it is simple to use our isp code in musb for that too14:21
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freemangordonok, I am going to port hald-addon-bme14:21
DocScrutinizerPali: check hostmode kernel for a printk dmesg string like "some bastard tried to probe for charger"14:22
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: OWTTE14:22
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DocScrutinizerdoing D+/- short probing in isp1707/4 breaks any actual data transmission over USB that may run concurrently14:23
DocScrutinizerthat'S the root cause why we need to remove bme for h-e-n14:24
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DocScrutinizerthat and of course the boostmode we operate bq24150 that conflicts with bme chargemode. Anyway we enable vboost and that gets detected by bme via vbus sysnode. bme thinks vbus == charger/host attached, and queries sysnode for fastcharger detect which in turn causes kernel to switch isp1707 to D+- short detect which breaks our USB hostmode setup14:27
* ShadowJK doesn't use bme14:29
DocScrutinizerso if your bme 'replacement' does the same (read fastcharger detection sysnode), it's as incompatible to h-e-n as bme_original14:29
DocScrutinizersince we use booston script to enable bq24150 boostmode via direct I2C, there's no way for kernel (yet) to know vbus is not applied by external charger/USB-host but rather endogenic, and thus kernel refusing to mess with 1707 to detect fastcharger when somebody reading that sysnode14:32
Paliit doing upstream isp kernel driver14:32
Palimy driver has 2 modes: one auto (prepaired mode for isp or something else which select charger current limit automatically) and manual mode when automode is disabled14:33
DocScrutinizerof course your/our bq24150.ko might know it's driving the chip into boostmode so "the kernel" now could know it's endogenic and thus tell musb kernel driver to reject D+- probing14:33
Paliso when you activate hostmode, driver changed to manual and then do not listen for any auto changes14:34
DocScrutinizer:nod: not wrapping my head around it completely, but on first touch it sounds about correct way14:36
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Palinext will be to implement simple battery charging into u-boot14:42
DocScrutinizerwell, that's extremely simple14:47
DocScrutinizerbare bones script like my PoC script will do14:48
DocScrutinizermax USB current = 500mA14:48
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DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: not wiki,
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freemangordoni found a post from estel with link to it14:50
DocScrutinizerPali: (uboot)
DocScrutinizerthough that's for sure way too sophisticated and "large"14:51
Paliit is same as
DocScrutinizerno, it's "patched" for max 500mA USB14:53
DocScrutinizerof course you can patch same way14:53
Paliok, 500mA limit is good for usb charger and also wallchanger14:57
Palifreemangordon, I updated u-boot deb packages & source code on gitorious14:58
DocScrutinizer # Register 0x114:58
DocScrutinizer  # 8: 00 = 100, 01 = 500, 10 = 800mA14:58
DocScrutinizer  # 4: 11 = no limit14:58
DocScrutinizeri2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x48;14:59
Pali3 problems: mkimage not worked, syntax error in debian/rules and bad size (only half) of RAM in u-boot rx51 port14:59
PaliDocScrutinizer, 800mA is for what type of changer?14:59
freemangordonalong with cursor garbadge and eMMC -11 ?15:00
Palisame version as yesterday15:00
DocScrutinizer0x48 = 0b0100 1000 = [(8,4) = 01 = 500)]15:00
Palionly that 3 small fixes15:00
DocScrutinizerPali: 800 is for chager that can deliver max 800 ;-)15:01
Paliof course, but how BME detect this charger type?15:01
DocScrutinizernot at all15:01
DocScrutinizerunless USB ENUM would advertise such strange host that allegedly can deliver 800mA15:02
DocScrutinizerI think it's not possible15:02
PaliIn isp upstream kernel code is only 3 options: none, usb charger (500mA) and wallchanger (no limit)15:02
DocScrutinizerabout what we can detect15:03
DocScrutinizerwhere "none"=100mA15:03
DocScrutinizer= 0b00xx xxxx15:04
DocScrutinizerin register #0115:04
Paliit is safe in u-boot enable permanent charging (e.g. when charger is not connected too) with limit 500mA?15:04
DocScrutinizeryes, mostly15:04
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DocScrutinizeras safe as any random USB fan/lamp/rocketlauncher/whatever gadget15:05
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DocScrutinizerUSB mugwarmer even worse - they use up to 1000+mA without any "safety check"15:06
DocScrutinizerthat's how you fry one out of 5000 laptops15:06
DocScrutinizernot nowadays anymore, I guess15:06
DocScrutinizerper definition USB has to be short circuit resilient15:07
DocScrutinizerone *some* PCs windows actively detects obercurrent/short on USB and powers down the USB in case of error15:08
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DocScrutinizersince that doesn't improve your life in any way, it's getting rarely done like that nowadays15:10
DocScrutinizernowadays each PC USB host shall have an electronic fuse that triggers on a safe threshold @ >=500mA15:11
DocScrutinizerand OS should keep sticky fingers out of that15:11
DocScrutinizermost PC have a threshold of >=1000mA15:12
DocScrutinizerI.E. they use only one electronic fuse with 1000 or even 2000mA and feed the vbus rail to 2 or 3 or 4 USB ports in parallel15:13
DocScrutinizerso you could either use 4 compliant 500mA loads on 4 USB ports, or one spec-breaking mugwarmer 1500mA+ on one USB port while not using the other 3 ports15:15
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DocScrutinizeror s/mugwarmer/UMTS-stick, 3.5" HDD, whatever/15:16
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DocScrutinizerNokia been extremely careful not to break USB spects with N90015:16
DocScrutinizerregarding the max allowed current under any phase of ENUM/detection15:17
DocScrutinizerI think it's overly prudent15:17
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DocScrutinizerbut then, IANAL and maybe they have their very own history of paying refund for destroyed laptop USB ports, like they have with exploding batteries15:19
DocScrutinizerif any of the chinese USB-acme-gadget (mugwarmer) manufacturers was as prudent, they couldn'T sell a single unit15:20
DocScrutinizerMy 3.5G USB dongle came with a Y-cable to split the vbus load on two USB ports of PC. They obviously had less scruple to violate specs (basically all 2G/3G dongles do)15:24
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DocScrutinizereither that or they violate GSM/UMTS specs15:24
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Palifreemangordon, I uploaded my last version of bq2415x_charger driver and .ko binary for kp v50:
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freemangordonPali, thanks16:18
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Palifreemangordon, is booting from sd card via u-boot working?16:23
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RST38hMeanwhile: Portable Battery-Powered X-ray Machine Guarantees You'll Always Find the Best Kinder Surprise Toys16:30
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Paliping NIN10116:39
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: awesome16:40
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: reminds me on the x-ray machines they had in shoe shops here, back in the 50s and into the 60s, though in the 60s they already were forbidden16:41
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DocScrutinizerI found one of those when I was dunno maybe 4 years old, and of course immediately tested how it works - my mum got *really* upset16:44
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ErwinJungex-ray machines in shoeshops? wtf?16:47
TermanaDocScrutinizer, that explains everything16:48
Termanalol j/k :p16:48
DocScrutinizerpedoskop :  //,1518,268071,00.html16:48
* DocScrutinizer aims a MTHEL at Termana general direction16:48
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, but what's the point?16:50
ErwinJungeI have a problem adding a target to scratchbox (to use gcc 4.6.2 from freemangordon). When trying to use fakeroot, it complains about a missing library, running apt-get upgrade gives me dependency errors, and running apt-get -f install gives me this on libc6: package architecture (i386) does not match system ()16:52
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ErwinJungeObviously, the architecture is wrong (should be armel). Anyone know how to fix that?16:52
ErwinJungesb-menu info on target:
ErwinJungeThat shows arm as architecture :(16:55
ErwinJungeFound the issue, SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH was not set.16:59
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DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: point of what?17:02
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ErwinJungepoint of having an x-ray device in a shoestore17:06
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DocScrutinizerwell,isn't that obvious? x-ray baby feet with shoes on17:14
DocScrutinizersee if they fit17:15
RST38hfit where?17:15
DocScrutinizeryep wut?17:16
DocScrutinizergo xray your kinder choclate eggs17:16
RST38hthe feet already fit in those shoes, somehow17:16
RST38hDoc <-- obviously being playful17:16
ErwinJungeInteresting definition of obvious there ;) I guess the harmfullness of x-rays wasn't know back then?17:16
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: I guess you noticed the URLs I posted above?17:17
RST38hDoc: Lumias have been jailbroken. Sadly, not the 800s with NOKIA bootloader though17:18
ErwinJungeYeah, but german isn't in my library of languages :)17:18
ErwinJungeOr in this case Austrian I guess (does that matter?)17:18
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: especially for you:
ErwinJungePedoscopes --> seriously? Sounds like something law enforcement would use to find sexual predators :)17:25
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ErwinJungeNever knew these things existed. Thanks for the laughs :)17:26
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ErwinJungeGot to go, byebye all17:29
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jogadamn...this funny small taiwanese phone I tested the solar thingy with is pretty remarkable in terms of power consumption...I charged it in direct sunlight for roughly two hours until it got a bit cloudy, and turning it on it showed 1 bar of it has a maintained a call for 36 minutes ._o17:37
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jogathis one :)
PaliDocScrutinizer, can I vote for one extras-testing package version too times?17:41
Pali*two or more times17:42
Palior I found bug in packages interface :D17:42
PaliI CAN17:43
DocScrutinizeryou're special :-P17:43
DocScrutinizerI aways thought only mohammad was special17:43
DocScrutinizertil it turned out he's my father17:44
infobotmethinks mohammadag is your father, or **special**17:44
DocScrutinizerfor the geeks:
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jogawhat's the typical power consumption of a very low-end phone such as the i-mobile 310 I pasted above, or something similar during a call?17:51
joga(assuming decent environment etc)17:52
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jogaI haven't really benchmarked actual call times myself I think17:54
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jogaI guess that's sort of a dumb question though...this device just seems to require a lot less than advertised, but I dunno17:57
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DocScrutinizerjoga: always something between 50mW and 1W, depending on TX Powerlevel the BTS requests for the phone's transmitter18:00
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jogaDocScrutinizer I'm just very impressed it's been maintaining the call for an hour now, I was expecting it to perform maybe 10 minutes with the ghetto setup I had and would have been content with that too :)18:01
DocScrutinizerthat's the reason why you never can get the call times the manufacturer claims: you never get the lowest TX PWRLVL in eal life18:01
jogabut in this case I'd expect to get more than they claim, I should try it sometime..18:02
DocScrutinizerthen an even more funny and more commonly ignored detail is: while you're just "listening" your phone has no useful data to transmit, so will stop transmitting all together for 95%..99% of the time18:02
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jogaDocScrutinizer that's why I've been playing youtube videos and holding the other phone near my keyboard...both are in the same room now18:03
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jogato sort of emulate an awkward conversation maybe :)18:04
DocScrutinizergood approach18:04
jogabut this is pretty nice since I'll be going to some festival abroad for a few days next week and we'll be camping out, so at least I'm pretty confident I can use a phone if there's at least some sun :)18:06
Palifreemangordon, see it finally hung up, lasted for 1 hour 7 minutes18:10
jogathe other phone was probably transmitting more though, but that's pretty good anyway18:10
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DocScrutinizerbtw my figure above been incorrect - poorly designed phones may burn up to 4..5W in bursts18:15
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DocScrutinizer2W max TX power, *<50% efficiency18:15
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jogaDocScrutinizer since you probably know an answer (I'm less than an amateur with electronics)... right now I just have 3 panels in parallel and a voltage regulator before the usb port, but would it be possible to use a plain nokia battery (since I probably have a couple lying around) for the contraption instead of directly feeding it to the phone's battery? I'm not sure if they're the right kind of battery to use for such18:31
jogaI was also thinking of a simple 6xaa case but can't find any junk with a big enough battery holder and should I make one myself it would probably suck anyway :)18:32
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DocScrutinizererr, what? charge USB device from LiIon? doesn't work18:32
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jogaok, that's what I basically wanted to hear18:33
jogaI have some nimh but they're too tiny18:33
DocScrutinizeryou need sth like 4V minimum to make it properly charge18:33
jogacan you put those in series, if I have two18:33
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DocScrutinizerLiIon has a voltage of nominal 3.7V which is too low18:34
DocScrutinizerUSB doesn't "survivie" voltage >6V18:34
DocScrutinizerso 2 in series also is no option18:34
jogabut my panels give about 7V currently18:34
joga(and it's 5.00V after the regulator)18:34
DocScrutinizerwell a regulator can cope with whatever it's designed for18:35
jogaI mean basically to charge the batteries first with solar and then feed that via regulator to phone or whatever18:35
DocScrutinizerfor sure a 5V regulator can take 8V input18:35
jogait's just that the only decent battery I have around are some old nokia batteries I think18:36
DocScrutinizeryou mustn't charge LiIon brute force!18:36
jogaok, I'll scratch the idea of using those for this :)18:36
DocScrutinizeryou can do this with NiMH18:36
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DocScrutinizerNOT with LiIon18:37
jogawish I had those as abundantly18:37
jogaI was supposed to get a couple for this specific purpose but I've forgot18:37
DocScrutinizer4 AA cells in series are *somewhat* safe to use for USB powering18:38
DocScrutinizervoltage range should be 4.4V...6.4V, something USB *usually* can cope with18:39
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jogahow low can the voltage be that an n900 would charge?18:39
DocScrutinizerdon't blame me when your USB emits blue magic smoke though18:39
DocScrutinizeras mentioned above, it needs ~4V18:40
jogaah, ok18:40
DocScrutinizerbeter 4.5V18:40
DocScrutinizerbut for all my experience it survives 7V easily18:41
DocScrutinizerso with 4 primary cells you're quite likely just fine18:41
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jogaat some point I should try and do this properly, ie. weave the panels into a backpack or whatever and put some adapters, battery and make it less embarrassing18:42
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DocScrutinizeras 4* 1.5V(nominal) = 6V; 4* 1.6V(max)=6,4V; 4* 1.2V(real voltage)=4.8V18:43
jogaDocScrutinizer thanks for all the info18:43
jogaI'm pretty new to the electronics stuff but junk projects like these are fun to try, I also learn more albeit slowly :)18:44
DocScrutinizerI just probed a fresh alkaline cell: 1.67V18:46
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Palifreemangordon, that patch really fixing damaged framebuffer output19:00
PaliI will rebase patches, create new build and sent patch series to u-boot mailinglist19:00
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spark666its there a way to rename my n900 user whitout any risc?19:56
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NIN101my intuition says: no.20:11
SpeedEvilMy intuition sings the LumberJack song.20:12
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, Pali, we have hald-addon-bme i386 compiled in SB and my IDA has hexrays :P20:15
freemangordonI am almost ready with REing20:15
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Palifreemangordon, disassembler is not needed20:15
Paliyou do not need to know how hald-addon-bme is communicating with BME20:16
Paliyou only need to know hal interface for bme20:16
freemangordonit is, the one you in gitorious does not initialize in the same way20:16
freemangordonI know20:16
Paliand hal interface is visible via lshal :-)20:16
freemangordonbut it handles dbus calls too20:16
freemangordonstatus_info_req and timeleft_info_req20:17
Palibetter look at libbmeipc20:17
Palimore closed apps are linked against libbmeipc20:17
freemangordonwell, let mi finish that one :P20:17
Paliok :-)20:17
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Palifreemangordon, I published new build of u-boot with that cfb flush patch20:45
Palialso now I send patch series (without bootmenu) to u-boot mailinglist20:46
Palimy bootmenu was rejected, becuase it must be rewrite to new menu code (common/menu.c)20:46
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zapHey, anybody updated advanced-power-monitor today? It doesn't work anymore for me.21:42
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zapIt kind of runs, but the status bard power applet shows a gray bar instead of charge level21:42
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zapWhen running from command line it prints "[F] BQ2720021:51
zap[F] BQ27200 Alternative". [F] means failed?21:51
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zap"lshal | grep bq27200" gives nothing... what could be the cause?21:57
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DocScrutinizerI CBA to check ftw this "monitor" does, but this msg sounds a lot like it's using the broken-badly bq27200.ko kernel module which got deprecated and hopefully completely removed from PowerKernel22:15
zapyep, it looks like it should use Nokia's BME22:16
zapbut it also says "[L] Nokia's BME ... [U] Nokia's BME"22:17
zapas if it would load, then unload22:17
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zapso which one is supposed to work? BME or bq27200? And yes, I have the power kernel22:19
zapbut power manager worked until today22:20
zaphurray, just removed advanced-power-manager and all works now fine22:20
zapseems I have installed this thing some time just 4 lulz...22:21
DocScrutinizerlook, somebody wrote a poor implementation for a bq27200.ko driver to expose the registers to /sys/. It did break bme as it exclusively opens and locks the chip on I2C, Then some f* fool decided to remove locking from I2C driver, exposing *whole* device to massive peril of hw breakage by random collisions on any I2C bus - but it somewhat made bq27200.ko cooperate with bme, as both didn't even try to avoid collisions22:21
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DocScrutinizereffectively this fol pulled the pin of the hand grenade22:22
zap:) and a third fool wrote advanced-power-manager using all this shit, got it :-D22:22
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DocScrutinizerwhen I noticed this MESS, I convinced PK maintainer to immediately remove all that crap from PK22:22
zapI wonder how advanced-power-monitor worked until this morning22:23
zapare there alternative ways to know battery capacity?22:23
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DocScrutinizerprobably it worked sitting on a ticking bomb, and this morning you updated kernel22:23
zapI updated it a while ago... but possible it was the first time I rebooted :)22:24
zapok, the mystery is gone, all seems clear now22:24
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DocScrutinizerthe bullshit "works" without the anti-locking patch as long as bme gets started first, then modprobe the crappy bq27200.ko22:26
Itschuehello  someone here who use ovi maps on n900 ?22:26
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DocScrutinizerwith antilocking patch it ""works"" no matter what - until your device emits blue magic smoke22:26
DocScrutinizerItschue: I used to, not using it since dunno, 6 months?22:27
Itschuei get ovi maps worked but there are some things that not worked ovi maps calculated the route the red points show the akzuial point but when i came of the route it doesnt recalculate the route22:28
Itschuedow you know of recalculating the route when you came(come) off it worked ?22:30
DocScrutinizerhmm, I think it never did22:31
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Itschueits nice to see you docsrutinizer the last time you helped me was great if you can remember22:32
DocScrutinizersince OVI maps is using off-board routing, it won't as easily recalculate route when you're off22:32
DocScrutinizerI remember your nick, but that's it - sorry22:33
Itschueno sorry its ok its a very long time ago22:33
Itschuedid i understand it right that ovi maps cant recalculate the route when i came off it?22:34
DocScrutinizerit can, if you got a data connection22:34
DocScrutinizersince it's causing traffic, I guess it won't do it without getting advised to do so22:34
DocScrutinizerI'm using marble, with monav on-board routing22:35
DocScrutinizermonav ?= Maemo Onboard NAViagtion22:35
DocScrutinizerItschue: what'S been the topic last time? :-)22:36
Itschuei hab auto connect enabled  and autodisconnect installed to cancel connection i think or im sure that ovi maps only says and show the first route direction22:38
Itschuetopic last i get in big trouble with my device because it wont bott and there was no way to reflash and i must get it repairstore22:38
Itschuean i think ovi maps use very mouch power because 3 hours rpouting and battery was empty there where ca 5 internetconnectino of view minutes22:40
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Itschuemuch to do docscrutinizer?22:45
DocScrutinizerwell, not really - holiday :-D22:47
DocScrutinizerGPS eating quite a lot of power, as does screen backlight. 3h is ~ normal22:48
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Itschueok i think recalculating only worcs with permanent internet conn. that ther can be auto connect doesnt help because i activate it and ovi maps doesnt recalculate22:50
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Itschuemarble and monav hmm wich version and which map or better do you know a good howto22:51
Itschueand you remember my big trobule?22:51
DocScrutinizerumm, install marble, install monav, setup stuff in marble's menus22:52
DocScrutinizerno, I'm sure OVI maps doesn't recalculate route as it would cause *lots* of traffic22:53
DocScrutinizerand OVI maps doesn't even find roads without internet support22:54
DocScrutinizerwhich is a bit strange, as it seems it knows about road names of arbitrary points on map22:54
Itschueand lots of traffic use lots of battery too  hmm  ios the laterst version of monav and marble ok? need marble omvoice server or espeak for voice commands?22:55
DocScrutinizeranyway, N900 OVI maps never was that brilliant so I don't miss it22:55
Itschueand which map for marble from where?22:55
DocScrutinizerI dunno22:55
DocScrutinizerafaik it's using OSM by default22:56
DocScrutinizerData needed by marble at runtime22:58
DocScrutinizer This package contains the architecture independent data files for libmarble. This includes the OpenStreetMap theme, flag images and more.22:58
Itschuewhat is taht for a link docsrcutinizer22:58
DocScrutinizer>>Additional maps for marble (earth and moon)22:59
DocScrutinizer OpenStreetMap derived map themes, educational map themes, satellite map22:59
DocScrutinizer themes, themes for other planets.22:59
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Itschue*g* next time i drive at the moon *g*23:00
Itschuewhich is a bit strange, as it seems it knows about road names of arbitrary points on map i dont understand this please germman?23:04
Itschueyou said  i dunno ???? i thit i dont know?23:04
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Itschuethat link is the ovi maps thread right?23:06
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DocScrutinizer>>It looks excellent. I'll definitely give it a try. Now we know where Nokia can stick their half-baked Ovi Maps<<  X-P23:17
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Itschueim use the how to in the link you send my n900 is next to mee and i will now install monav and marble and probably (i hope this is the right word) marble virtual globe23:20
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Itschuedocsrutinizer did i need monav client? i didnt fond something in the howto or have tomatos on my eyes23:23
DocScrutinizeryou want to install some monav thing - too long ago to recall whether it's been server, client, plugin, whatever23:25
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DocScrutinizerbeware, there's an incompatible version of monav somewhere in extras-devel IIRC23:26
DocScrutinizermaybe fixed now23:26
DocScrutinizersome asshat updated extras-devel monav with  version that broke API23:27
ItschueMake sure to install the correct version of monav-routing-daemon: Version 0.2.release-2 from the extras repository works with all versions of Marble. Version 0.3.release-1 from extras-devel works with Marble 1.1.1 and later.23:27
DocScrutinizerthanks :-D23:27
Itschuei hope later vesion than 03-1 work correct when not i will see this in some minutes or later when im finnished23:28
Itschuei hope that al monav things also called somwhat with monav23:29
Itschuedo you know something about navit and/or the other routing software?23:30
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DocScrutinizerwell, latest marble version is 1.2 anyway23:38
DocScrutinizerso no issue realy23:38
DocScrutinizer(other sw) I used to use mappero23:39
DocScrutinizerI'm still undecided which one I like more23:39
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Itschuehmm marble 1.3 has problems with monav 0.3-3 hmm23:40
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Itschuehmm i must find a way to install other versions i thing i have a look at
DocScrutinizera pitty that devels tend to ignore the paramount importance of click-to-install convenient maintenance for apps23:42
Itschuethat i dont understand23:43
Itschuecan you please say it in german23:43
DocScrutinizerI.E. such type of breakage of a core function by such a silly thing is a killer issue for any app23:43
DocScrutinizerin simple english words: marble1.3 not working with monav after simple install: marble dead23:44
DocScrutinizerno user gives a flying F* about how many cute new features 1.3 brings to them, as long as it simply doesn't work OOTB23:45
Itschueand simple english for I.E. such type of breakage of a core function by such a silly thing is a killer issue for any app23:45
DocScrutinizersee above23:45
DocScrutinizer~wtf i.e.23:45
infobotusage: wtf <foo>.23:46
Itschueso best way is use older version  this version which is shown in the howto right?23:46
infoboti heard i.e. is there any more efficient way than just putting in a func call?23:46
DocScrutinizerdang, I.E. == In Expression23:46
DocScrutinizeraalso known as "particularly"23:46
DocScrutinizer~forget i.e.23:47
infobotDocScrutinizer: i forgot i.e.23:47
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Itschuea pitty that devels tend to ignore the paramount importance of click-to-install convenient maintenance for apps I.E. such type of breakage of a core function by such a silly thing is a killer issue for any app  please in german in query23:48
* DocScrutinizer hates lusers abusing ~ attention-char of bot23:48
DocScrutinizerItschue: please disable echo on your terminal ;-)23:48
Itschuesorry i dont know where i not often use mirc and its about 10 years ago when i used mirc ver often23:50
DocScrutinizerwell, a joke. I guess you intentionally echoed my concatenated last 2 posts23:51
DocScrutinizerI miss the reason though why you did it23:52
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Itschuei want it in german look at query sorry for so much work with me23:54
Itschueback to the problems with monav 0.3-3 didnt work with marble 1.3 is there realy an error or only a settings thing that the programmer didnt changeded  (i hope you can understand this)23:58
DocScrutinizerI understand but don't know23:58
DocScrutinizerI seem to remember I pinned the monav version back when, so it never updated to 0.323:59

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