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DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: just read about CSSU in wiki00:16
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vdvwho knows, where does def hildon_play_system_sound (sample) defined?01:26
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LaoLang_coolhi, how to know the precise of battery percentage? I find hal-device bme and lshal | grep battery can't give it05:15
LaoLang_coolThey doesn't work properly sometimes05:16
LaoLang_coolThe value they returned doesn't corresponding with the battery icon on statusbar05:16
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DocScrutinizerLaoLang_cool: see*07:14
DocScrutinizerLaoLang_cool: beware, these values also aren't guaranteed to be stable07:14
DocScrutinizerresp accurate07:14
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DocScrutinizeranyway I'd think battery icon is using hal values nevertheless07:17
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DocScrutinizerand for sure it's basically never *precise*07:18
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ShadowJKthe battery bars typically don't map linearly to percentages07:54
ShadowJKiirc, Diablo's 4-bar meter shows full until 50% :)07:54
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LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: I can't reach* ..08:15
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LaoLang_coolIs there a way to put a file's content into clipboard from cli?08:23
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DocScrutinizerthen try *sigh*10:21
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vdvin n900, subsequent email notifications are collected into one notification popup window, and number of notifications is displayed near the icon, i mean popup window like here (screenshot):
vdvi was able to display notifications like theese from python10:35
vdvn = pynotify.Notification("title", "text")10:35
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vdvbut just can't merge several notifications into one10:35
vdvanyone have idea how it's done?10:35
vdvkeyword is append-hint10:36
vdvand set-hint-string10:36
vdvmethod of Notification10:37
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Sicelohmm, nokia seems to have my area better covered in Maps than Google. question is.. how do i download the latest maps? any ideas?14:35
Sicelomy googling results so far give me outdated maps :/14:36
Siceloor at least.. how can i 'force' my N900 to download up to street level for the whole area.. without having to pan from location to location?14:36
RaimuSicelo: how outdated?14:40
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Sicelo,31.1477525,16,0,0, ... that turn isn't there on the manually downloaded maps14:42
Sicelobut if i allow my N900 to download directly, it's there14:42
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Sicelobtw, how does one even know what version the maps are? :/14:51
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RaimuI never found out.15:01
RaimuDoes the Maps app realize when it has got outdated data files, anyway? To redownload when necessary.15:02
Sicelofor now.. gave my N900 to a friend with windows15:02
RaimuSorry I couldn't help. :/15:02
Sicelono, Maps will happily use old stuff, lol15:02
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chem|st_who uses nokiamaps anyway?15:08
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joga...and why is it *PINK*15:09
jogaMaps on n900 is awful, but fortunately there are other options too15:11
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RST38hWasn't GeneralAntilles studying there?15:32
jargon-the directory /home/user/MyDocs/Podcasts for gpodder is not supposed to be root-owned, is it?15:33
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chem|st_jargon-: MyDocs has no ownership its FAT15:36
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jargon-chem|st_: hmmm. says here root:root, though15:37
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jargon-wait...the whole filesystem is root-owned15:38
chem|st_mounted wrong?15:38
chem|st_should be user:root15:38
chem|st_what is MyDocs itself?15:39
jargon-dunno. been having read-only issues. so i did this: 1. sudo gainroot 2. umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 3. fsck -af /dev/mmcblk0p1 4. mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs and it truncated some partial podcast downloads. now everything's root:root15:39
jargon-drwxr-xr-x   22 root     root        64.0k Jan  1  1970 MyDocs15:40
chem|st_you have to mount it as user15:40
jargon-i see. well, i rebooted just now, let's see if that helps15:40
chem|st_if there is an error catch it will tell something like "MyDocs is mounted as read-only"15:41
jargon-ok seems to be back to normal15:43
jargon-it's ok now.15:44
jargon-chem|st_: thanks. :-)15:44
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vdvafter changes to osso-mmc-mount and mmc-mount as described in following happens if i connect as storage media via usb: mount pointed created by hald/dbus is random non-ascii string, and not "usb disk" as before15:53
vdvhow can i fix that?15:53
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reenignEesreveR-can i do something like i my phone's gsm dialer is accessible remotely so that i can send and receive calls via my desktop???15:54
vdvreenignEesreveR-, think possible15:54
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reenignEesreveR-vdv, ????15:55
vdvyou can do dbus-call over ssh i think15:55
reenignEesreveR-sorry, forgot to add one thing ... need to do it via not, not USB15:55
reenignEesreveR-hmmm... and can i have a pretty interface, prefereably a SIP client or something?15:55
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vdvdoubt, that there's a ready-made solution15:57
reenignEesreveR-i cna put some things here and there but don't wanna build a lot as i'll need to debug it as well then15:58
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reenignEesreveR-can i make use of asterisk in such cases?15:59
chem|st_reenignEesreveR-: you want to use your computer for making calls with your phone right?15:59
reenignEesreveR-and receive calls as well16:01
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chem|st_there is no fancy interface for making calls or answering them16:01
reenignEesreveR-can i do something like turn n900 into a psx server?16:01
chem|st_reenignEesreveR-: as vdv said, the dbus interfaces mentioned in the wiki are for making and receiving calls16:02
chem|st_and asterisk is available too16:02
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chem|st_a simple way would be to create a simple interface for making and receiving calls via ssh from your desktop or by shell, use your PC as BTheadset16:04
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chem|st_configuring your pc as network-audio source mic/speaker in PS is a pain...16:04
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vdvis it safe to set label for /dev/mmcblk0 ?16:07
vdvi mean disk label16:07
Raimujoga: What's your choice of mapping apparatus?16:14
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vdvfor example kde offers very interesting (and non ascii) mount points and when i mount, illegal (for ext fs) dir for mounting is created
Hurrianvdv, make sure gpt is in kp16:15
vdv_PNG for example16:15
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vdvHurrian, how can check what is label for mmcblk0 at the moment?16:17
vdvcfdisk doesn't show that16:17
Hurrianif cfdisk shows partitions for mmcblk0, it's mbr16:17
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vdvHurrian, sorry?16:23
Hurrianare you talking about partition names or partitioning scheme?16:23
vdvnope, about label of the whole disk16:24
vdvHurrian, if you insert an usb stick for example16:25
vdvit introduces itself with some name16:25
Hurrianvery long uuid?16:25
Hurriane2label or tune2fs -L to change labels for ext2,3,4 filesystems16:25
vdvHurrian, i just don't understand, why that changed.. before descriptor of the disk was USB DISK16:26
vdvand during automounting on my host system, it's showed as USB DISK16:26
vdvand now label is not recognized, and automounter generates random string16:27
Hurrianit's probably uuid16:27
Hurriane.g. 0909707987098-9799-3464573437-7777, right?16:27
Hurrianprobably looks like that16:28
Hurrianjust e2label it or something16:28
vdvdepends on host system16:28
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vdvon my slackware it's just a random string16:28
vdv_PNG and then illegal chars16:28
Hurrianwtf is that16:29
vdvdo you see two entries there?16:29
Hurrianthat's weird16:29
vdvthey correspond to mmcblk0 and mmcblk116:29
vdvand if i click on that item, a directory is created with such name16:30
vdvmount succeeds, but unmount not16:30
vdvi.e. automounter succeeds to remove device physically, but it can't remove directory with such a name "_PNG<<"16:31
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Hurriandoes it work right on gnome?16:40
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vdvHurrian, no16:44
Hurrianfs label is wrong, then16:45
Hurrianyou'd need to change it16:45
vdvbtw, it's vfat16:45
vdvi.e. it's the partition mounted as MyDocs on n90016:46
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Hurrianyeah, real chance it's corrupted16:48
Hurrianbad maemo reboots do damage mydocs16:48
Hurrianmlabel is fine16:48
Hurrianthen a fsck after that16:48
vdvNokia-N900:~# mlabel -s i:16:50
vdvVolume has no label16:50
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vdvHurrian, there was a bad reboot yesterday16:50
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vdvHurrian, what's the default label of that partition?16:51
Hurriannone, i think, it was set by autorun.inf16:51
vdvso, i shouldn't set label now, but do fsck?16:52
Hurrianalso, i:16:52
Hurrianwat u doin16:52
Hurrianmlabel -i /dev/mmcblk0p1 -s ::16:53
vdvi've set drive in .mtoolsrc16:53
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vdvso i is /dev/mmcblk0p116:53
Hurrianmlabel -i /dev/mmcblk0p1 i:MyDocs16:53
vdvi don't have autorun.inf file on partition16:54
Hurrianso just go set label now16:54
Hurrianautorun.inf takes precedence over volume label on windows16:54
jogaRaimu I've used maep for quick checking where I am and modRana can actually do turn-by-turn instructions (but is not *that* intuitive) and can search for stuff nearby16:55
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jogaRaimu afaik, there's nothing comparable to commercial stuff that's available for iOS etc, but they're still useful for me16:56
vizzyi love the scratchbox + sdk :))16:56
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vdvHurrian, did already16:56
vdvHurrian, also run check?16:56
Hurrianif it still doesn't work, backup data and flatten mmcblk0p116:57
vizzygot my first apps compiled, now running all together i got motion detection with ffmpeg support and webstream over a tinc-vpn monitored by monit. yeah!16:57
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vdvHurrian, works, thanks17:00
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vdvHurrian, but label is now capitalized17:00
Hurrianpart of FAT17:00
HurrianFAT16/32 cannot have lowercase labels17:00
vdvbut before?17:01
vdvit was MyDocs17:01
vdvhow was that possible?17:01
vdvjust interesting17:01
Hurrianbefore, it was Nokia N90017:01
Hurrianset by autorun.inf17:01
vdvbtw, why that file misses here?17:02
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vdvi don't see it, even with ls -la17:02
Hurrianls ~/MyDocs/*.inf17:02
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ErwinJungeHow would one compile the g-audio (audio gadget) kernel module for the N900? My laptop audio sucks and I would like to use the phone as a usb soundcard :)17:26
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ErwinJungeThe best I could find on the subject is this post by pali:
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luke-jrErwinJunge: I would think some kind of networked sound server would do better17:38
ErwinJungeluke-jr, I don't think that would solve my problem, since the dac in the laptop would still decode the audio in that case, right? I want to use the dac in the phone and preferably expose it via usb.17:40
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luke-jrErwinJunge: uh, no?17:42
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ErwinJungeluke-jr, Anyways, I might as well try it if it is simpler than compiling the g-audio kernel module. Any idea on where to start with networked audio?17:44
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ErwinJungeluke-jr, Thanks, that looks really useful :)17:54
ErwinJungeI seem to remember however that there was some issue with streaming to/from the n900's pulseaudio due to a version problem or something?17:55
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GeneralAntilles1RST38h, UF is the OTHER big Florida university. I was at FSU.18:35
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, UF is frattown.18:35
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ErwinJungeluke-jr, Thanks, got it to work using pulseaudio's esound-sink module, since the pulse version on the n900 is too old to communicate with my laptop in native mode.20:40
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ErwinJungeStill, if anyone on here by now knows: How would one go about compiling the g-audio (usb audio gadget) module for the n900? I'd like to use the phone as a usb sound card.20:40
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ErwinJungePali, You're the powerkernel guy, right? Could you give me some pointers regarding getting g-audio in there?20:52
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PaliErwinJunge, g_audio is not in 2.6.28 kernel20:57
Paliyou need to backport that kernel module from upstream kernel20:57
ErwinJungeHm... is that as complicated as it sounds? :)20:58
Palifor normal users, yes20:58
ErwinJungeI'm a fortran 90 developer by trade and dabble in python as a hobby. Never worked on the kernel before though.20:59
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ErwinJungeI guess it's more complex than git clone; make? ;)21:00
Palibasicaly, you need to copy g_audio source files from upstream kernel and try to compile it under maemo kernel21:00
Paliand if there will be no other dependency or problems, it will works as expected21:00
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Palibut API in upstream kernel could be changed, so then you will need to rewrite some code21:01
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ErwinJungeAlright, doesn't sound too complex so far. I'll give it a shot later, need to set up the entire scratchbox again and don't have time for that now. Thanks for the info.21:03
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DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: would you bother to publish your esound-sink based solution?21:29
DocScrutinizersomewhere on tmo or (better) wiki21:29
DocScrutinizerlardman: congrats :-D21:30
DocScrutinizeralways these byte/word/longword confusions? XP21:30
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, sure, I'll write up a wiki thing. It's a bit buggy/laggy though. I'm trying to fix that now21:31
DocScrutinizerif you can't squish the bugs, just post as is and attribute is as "buggy but somewhat working"21:32
DocScrutinizers/te is/te it/21:32
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: if you can't squish the bugs, just post as is and attribute it as "buggy but somewhat working"21:32
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, is it possible to somehow update pulse on the N900? I remember something about problems with Nokia's modules, but bit foggy on the memory. Using the native tunneling would probably be a better solution than esound21:36
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DocScrutinizer51PA has blobs, so updating might get tricky21:37
vizzyhi, i cant find dh_make command as mentioned on the 'maemo sdk howto packaging site' in my scratchbox maemo 5 sdk, dehelper is already installed. how can i get dh_make?21:40
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PaliDocScrutinizer51, but some (or all?) was opened in meego.gitorious.org21:53
Palionly missing proper debian/* files, so creating packages will no be simple21:53
DocScrutinizeralas not all21:53
PaliI will look at closed packages wiki21:54
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DocScrutinizerXPROT for example is still an annoying mytery afaik21:54
DocScrutinizerspeaker protection21:55
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Paliseems all closed pulseaudio modules are on
DocScrutinizerafaik there are some others besides this one which are still (C)nokia and closed21:56
Palibut no idea if same source21:56
Paliall *.so files can be builded from that repo21:56
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DocScrutinizer:shrug: no clue about PA, except I despise it. But I always thought PA has pretty few .so21:57
Paliand package pulseaudio-policy-enforcement has fremantle source code here:
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ErwinJungeNot sure if my messages came through: ErwinJunge> Laggyness is gone when using usb networking, so it seems to be a bandwidth issue with my wifi21:58
ErwinJunge<ErwinJunge> It also has the interesting side-effect of slaughtering my internet connection :)21:58
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: get better AP, or switch to PSM=off21:59
DocScrutinizerusually helps cure lags21:59
DocScrutinizerof WLAN21:59
ErwinJungeHow would I do the psm=off thing?21:59
DocScrutinizeron "advanced" tab of arbitrary wlan connection setting22:00
DocScrutinizeractually, of the wlan connection you're trying to fix22:00
DocScrutinizerPSM is per connection. Only TX-power is global22:00
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DocScrutinizerPali: I'd say is pretty much down22:03
DocScrutinizeraaah, finished loading after only 120s22:03
ErwinJungeWell, that worked. How bad is this for my battery?22:04
DocScrutinizerrather nasty22:05
DocScrutinizeronly while connected to thia AP though22:06
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DocScrutinizerswitching to TX-power=10mW might help a little to make it less nasty22:07
ErwinJungeConsidering that I'm at home now, this is the AP I'm connected to most :)22:07
ErwinJunge --> how's that for a howto?22:07
ErwinJungeWhere the ip should obviously be replaced by whatever ip your phone has22:08
DocScrutinizerlooks rather nice22:09
ErwinJungeAny AP settings I can tweak to make the psm work better?22:09
DocScrutinizerdepends on your AP ;-D22:09
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ErwinJungeBut generally looks/is worded like...22:10
DocScrutinizerpicking a channel without interference from naighbour's WLAN is always a good start22:10
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ErwinJungeAlready done :)22:10
ErwinJungeI've got a linksys WAG160Nv2, with settings for just about everything. 99% of the stuff doesn't mean anything to me though.22:11
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ErwinJungeNot really informative, just says "some routers have poor support" :) I'll try google22:14
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DocScrutinizergood one:
ErwinJungeYeah :) So the way I understand it is that while streaming audio to it it really doesn't matter (powerwise), since the connection should be on all the time anyways to receive audio.22:28
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ErwinJungeSo I guess the best idea here would be some sort of desktop widget/switch thing to easily switch psm on/off for the current connection from the homescreen22:29
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ErwinJungeOn to the wiki. Where would you suggest I put the howto?22:30
ErwinJungeRelated: how does this work? I've never edited a wiki before22:31
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vizzyhmm, im getting crazy :) debhelper and all tat is installed as mentioned everywhere... but i still have no dh_make in my scratchbox. is there a trick? make a symlink to dh_something? was it renamed?22:40
DocScrutinizerlog in? check $PATH?22:41
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: during audio it will automatically enter the always-on mode22:42
DocScrutinizerthe problem is when you lose connectivity completely for seconds or minutes, when idling22:43
vizzylog in? im logged in to scratchbox, i can compile sources without problems22:43
DocScrutinizerno idea22:43
DocScrutinizerthen I never wrapped my head around SB completely22:43
vizzyi have a lot dh_xyz in /usr/bin22:43
DocScrutinizerbetter ask somebody who is used to this monster22:44
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: wiki is simple22:44
vizzyi thought it would be nicer to have .deb packages, but i think i will just make tgz with all files and a small installscript, hehe22:44
DocScrutinizerthere's an edit button, and a help button22:45
vizzylike in good old times22:45
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DocScrutinizerif you can't find a proper existing page, you simply enter URL of the "new" page you wanna create22:46
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DocScrutinizeranyway you should register22:46
DocScrutinizermakes things a lot easier22:46
ErwinJungeDid that part already :) Do you have a good suggestion for the location of the howto?22:47
DocScrutinizersorry, didn't bother to check22:47
DocScrutinizersearch for key terms22:47
DocScrutinizerthere's a search feature22:47
DocScrutinizerdunno how much hits you'll get for 'audio'22:48
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DocScrutinizerbtw, if anybody got interested in my sharing plugin adventure: this cli share plugin just works great - scp to my server23:12
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, what?23:13
DocScrutinizerscp -oServerAliveInterval=300 -oPort=999 %s docsftp@
int_uadockane: that's interesting, is this plugin available in extras? I just joined the discussion23:13
ErwinJungeWhat does the plugin do?23:13
int_uaDocScrutinizer: ^23:14
ErwinJungeAlso, how about for the howto?23:14
int_uadockane: sorry, I missed the nickname)23:14
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DocScrutinizerii  sharing-cli                                         0.4                                        Command-Line Sharing Plugin23:16
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: sounds good23:18
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DocScrutinizer(plugin) you don't need to bother to fill in "title" or "comment" when sharing, it's cruft23:20
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DocScrutinizerand for obvious reasons "location" also won't work23:20
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DocScrutinizerstraight copy from N900 to server, same filename23:20
DocScrutinizerfixed dir23:21
ErwinJungeI'm really not getting it. What does that plugin (a) plug into and (b) do after plugging into it?23:21
DocScrutinizerit plugs into the < shaped sharing button in e.g. gallery23:21
DocScrutinizernext to OVI and FLIKR23:22
DocScrutinizercreate a "new account" and there it is23:23
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DocScrutinizerpretty bare bones hardcore hacker "GUI"23:23
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ErwinJungeAh, so not for me :) Could you see if the instructions in work for you?23:27
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vdvis there any widget which can display notifications passed to it in a preconfigured way?23:34
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vdvof course, i can write my own, but don't want reinvent vehicle :)23:35
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DocScrutinizer(sharing plugin)
DocScrutinizervdv: see ~phonecontrol23:38
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DocScrutinizer~phonecontrol is
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay23:39
vdvDocScrutinizer, already familiar with that23:41
vdvand it doesn't suite my needs23:41
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vdvbecause, it's not possible "update" such notifications23:41
DocScrutinizernot sute about that23:42
vdvin a way that modest notifications are done for example23:42
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vdvi.e. you receive notification aboute 3 new mails, then you got another two, and then modest just updates one notification popup, sets number of notifications to two, and number of emails to five23:43
vdvhmm.. i didn't tried that23:44
vdvi dont know why23:44
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vdvspend so much to for pynotify based approach23:45
vdv*so much time23:45
vdvDocScrutinizer, i'll check whether that works for me, thanks!23:46
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DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: I can't check this right now, out for dinner in a minute23:48
DocScrutinizerand :-P I got PA deinstalled on my PC23:48
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, np, it works for me, but having at least one more testing point would be nice :)23:52
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