IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-04-22

vdvhow can i automount microsd card at boot (n900)?00:02
vdvif i put a script in /etc/event.d/00:02
vdvwith start on started hildon-desktop00:02
vdvis that ok?00:02
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Sicelohmm .. doesn't that already happen automatically, or i' misunderstanding00:03
vdvonly if it's fat3200:03
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akosshI need a little help with N90000:16
akosshI'm often change SIM cards00:16
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akosshthe problem is, that, when i put in a Ukrainian card, the language switches to Russian, and when put in a Hungarian card, the language switches to English00:17
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akosshhow can i disable this behavior, what init scripts needs to modify?00:18
akosshhad somebody the same problem?00:18
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Vib3hmm sendmail says -> sendmail-base: Depends: m4 but it is not installable00:27
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Vib3whats that "m4"-package?00:37
Vib3can't find it anywhere00:37
timophmacro processor00:39
timophavailable in the sdk repo00:39
Vib3yea, thx00:40
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MohammadAGany Qt gurus around?00:51
MohammadAGor C++ in general00:51
MohammadAGQObject *providerObject = qobject_cast<QObject*>(provider); returns no matching function for call to 'qobject_cast(AbstractLyricsProvider*&)'00:52
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MohammadAGfigured it out01:06
MohammadAGI forgot my class wasn't inheriting QObject :301:06
MohammadAGdynamic_cast obviously fixed it01:06
MohammadAGQt plugins are awesome01:06
MohammadAGI made a basic lyrics viewer that's plugin-based01:07
MohammadAGbasically you have plugins for sites, right now I only have AZLyrics but anything could be implemented and loaded dynamically as .so files01:07
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Vib3hmm sendmail says now ->01:41
Vib3/etc/init.d/sendmail start01:41
Vib3/etc/init.d/sendmail: .: line 35: can't open /lib/init/vars.sh01:41
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MohammadAGhere's the plugin based lyrics viewer I was talking about,
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MrPinguwasn't matans modified desktop included in cssu?01:58
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MohammadAGthe code, not the actual package02:01
MrPinguI thought it would be possible to assign custom shortcuts just like starting xterm from keyboard: ctrl shift x02:03
MrPingubut I can't figure out how...02:03
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MrPinguAlso it's stated that ctrl shift h should go to home, something that doesn't work02:04
MrPinguSo is the code of the cssu exactly the same as matans desktop? I never used matans desktop as I am a born in N900 after cssu02:05
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MohammadAGMrPingu, yes, hold on02:12
MohammadAGMrPingu, shortcuts like xterm are hardcoded in hildon-desktop, patches welcome02:13
MohammadAGhere's the actual code for that
DocScrutinizer~hail MohammadAG02:14
* infobot bows down to MohammadAG and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"02:14
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MohammadAGuni didn't ruin my memory at least...02:15
DocScrutinizer~rain MohammadAG02:16
MrPinguI thought matan did made these shortcuts configurable, atleast possibility to create more I read somewhere on the wiki or TMO02:16
DocScrutinizernot sure about that02:16
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, <-- can't that handle SIGTERM?02:16
DocScrutinizerI think he added some new ones02:16
MohammadAGMrPingu, no, at least not with hildon-desktop itself02:17
MohammadAGthe code doesn't seem to be customizable outside of it, but he did add some shortcuts02:17
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: plus there was a way to send dbus signals for function keys02:17
MohammadAGyou can do that too by editing the code and rebuilding hildon-desktop02:17
DocScrutinizerwhatever the def of "function key"02:17
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, fn is mod5 apparently02:18
MohammadAGwhatever that is02:18
DocScrutinizersure, but I meant function-keys as in matan's definition02:18
MrPinguWell not for now ;p Project for after my exams02:18
MrPinguI don't have the brains for such devstuff yet :P02:19
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that IS matan's definition :p02:19
MohammadAGbraindead stuff really :P02:19
DocScrutinizer/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/dbus_ctrl_shortcuts (*)02:20
DocScrutinizer If this key is true, hildon desktop captures and reports on D-Bus the following combinations: ctrl+space, ctrl+comma, ctrl+period, ctrl+volume+/-. This conflicts with other uses for some of these combinations.<<02:20
MrPingu#  /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/preset_shift_ctrl02:20
MrPingu previous key is false.02:20
DocScrutinizer/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/dbus_shortcuts_use_fn (*)02:21
DocScrutinizer use ctrl+FN+key instead of ctrl+shift+key for D-Bus shortcuts.02:21
MrPinguWhy does the H key not work?02:21
MrPinguIs dbus-scripts really bad on your battery? I mean I read somewhere it monitors the dbus the whole time and waiting to act on an event, but is that monitoring really holding the cpu from it's sleep state?02:23
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MrPinguMatan: "The program that handles those shortcuts is hildon-desktop, which is free software. I changed it to support more (and configurable) shortcuts, and released the result as modified-hildon-desktop"02:24
DocScrutinizer/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/dbus_shift_ctrl (*)02:24
DocScrutinizer If the value of this key is true, then ctrl-shift-letter combinations are reported on the d-bus,02:24
MrPinguYes I have that key enabled and disabled the preset02:25
MrPingubut still Home shortcut doesn't work02:25
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: (dbus scripting) no, this daemon works perfectly02:25
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MrPinguI always hold of dbus-scripts package because I read on TMO it was not good on your battery.02:26
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MohammadAGUnless the implementation sucks I don't think that can be true02:29
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: what's been your question re SIGTERM?02:31
MrPinguSecond link I meant, that scard me away from using dbus-scripts02:31
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: I won't even look at that tmo rant02:31
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: Can signal() handle it?02:31
DocScrutinizerwhy not?02:32
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: Cause main() probably abruptly stops?02:32
DocScrutinizersignal() can handle all except SIGSTOP and SIGKILL02:32
MohammadAGSo can we do something after 3 SIGTERMs?02:33
MohammadAGErr I meant SIGSEV btw02:33
DocScrutinizerif you like to implement such funny stuff, yes02:33
MrPinguAh I trust you more than people on TMO, so I am not scard of dbus-scripts anymore then :P02:34
DocScrutinizeryes, you can catch SIGSEGV, otherwise dumphandlers wouldn't work02:34
MrPinguGoing to sleep now, bye!02:34
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: I use dbus scripting since years02:34
MohammadAGSo I can catch it in main.c? Gives me ideas02:34
DocScrutinizerworks just nice02:34
MohammadAGSave number of segfaults in file, after three faults activate a recovery terminal02:35
vdvon n900, how can i check programmatically whether internet connection is established?02:35
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vdvor does activating an internet connection trigger some event?02:35
MohammadAGIf you're using Qt there's an easy way02:35
vdvMohammadAG, which one?02:36
MohammadAG vdv02:38
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (SIGSEGV)  all that signal() does is placing addr of a callback function (the signal handler) into a location that will get jumped to on asserting that signal02:39
DocScrutinizerthis signal handler has to be a static void func()02:39
MohammadAGSo you obviously cant use pointers?02:40
vdvi'm not in qt actually, thought your hint can help me, but now i see i need some another way of detecting02:40
MohammadAGThat answers that02:40
MohammadAGThere's probably a standard linux way, or an icd2 way02:40
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vdvhow "dangerous" is the editing of files /usr/bin/ and /usr/sbin/ according to
vdvi.e. i have ext3 formatted micro sd02:42
vdvand i want to automount it on boot02:42
DocScrutinizervdv: use CSSU!02:42
DocScrutinizerrecent testing mounts all just fine02:43
DocScrutinizereven multiple partitions on uSD02:43
vdvis stable one safe?02:43
DocScrutinizeryes, but has no multimount yet02:44
vdvMohammadAG, dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/icd_ui boolean:false02:45
vdvcall above shows change connection ui02:45
vdvmost likely some event also triggered when user chooses connection02:46
vdvand connection establishes02:46
DocScrutinizerthere's for sure a dbus-signal when connection gets established, yes02:47
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MohammadAGvdv: ^02:47
vdvhmm.. state query02:48
vdvit's already close02:48
vdvi can add a check to script02:49
vdvand run script on cron02:49
vdvbut the best scenario, is when my script is invoked automatically when inet is on02:50
vdvand process kill when go offline02:50
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vdvMohammadAG, for example, pressing connect pc suite button, invokes /usr/sbin/ script02:51
DocScrutinizerthere's the variant that gets sent whenever a connection comes up or goes down02:53
DocScrutinizerall you need to do is listen dbus for that very signal02:53
DocScrutinizerjust read on some 2 boxes down02:53
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DocScrutinizeryou could even use dbus scripting for that02:54
vdvDocScrutinizer, then i end up on having a process which monitors that, right?02:54
DocScrutinizere.g. dbus-scriptingd02:55
DocScrutinizeror whatever it's called02:55
vdvif so, then i'd better let offlineimap daemon run on background02:55
vdvwhen inet comes up, it'll synchronize02:55
DocScrutinizerso what?02:56
vdvwhen there's no internet connection, i hope it'll sleep02:56
vdvand not eat processor too much02:56
DocScrutinizeryou asked for a way to run some stuff when a connection gets established, well that is it02:56
vdvDocScrutinizer, sorry, yes i know02:57
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DocScrutinizernfc what offlineimapdaemon will do during offline02:58
DocScrutinizerI'd guess it's doing exactly the same02:59
DocScrutinizerlistening to dbus signals telling there's a connection coming up02:59
DocScrutinizeror it actively establishes a connection whenever it tries to poll imap on a timer schedule03:00
DocScrutinizerI doubt that though03:00
DocScrutinizernot even modest does that03:01
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gn00bdoes nokia service out of warranty devices (nokia n900)?03:33
SpeedEvilOr maybe.03:34
SpeedEvilThey may or may not do small repairs.03:34
SpeedEvilThey cannot do board-swaps anymore.03:34
SpeedEvilAt least - they couldn't in november.03:34
DocScrutinizerthey weren't willing to do03:35
SpeedEvilWell - yes.03:35
DocScrutinizerI bet there's still some 150 boards for extreme cases03:35
gn00bguess i just have to notify them of my problem and hope for the best03:36
SpeedEvilWhat's wrong with it?03:36
DocScrutinizerthey just noticed the rate by which the RMA requests declined would cause expiry of spare boards before all N900 out in the wild got binned, so they advised helpdesk and service to deny serviceability03:37
gn00bwon't come on. i see a dim 'NOKIA' when i try to turn it on, but it never boots. when plugged into usb, yellow light stays on. battery fully charged.03:38
SpeedEvilhave you tried swapping battery?03:39
DocScrutinizermeh, that's neither battery fuly chaged, nor any severe problem03:39
DocScrutinizeryou just need to reflash I guess03:39
SpeedEvilgn00b: Do you happen to own a multimeter?03:39
DocScrutinizerwhich won't work without properly charged battery, which in turn doesn't get charged without flashed device03:39
gn00bSpeedEvil: no03:40
DocScrutinizerno DMM needed, I can tell from remote what's up with that device :-D03:40
gn00bi have a seperate battery charger, so i know that the batteries are fully charged03:40
DocScrutinizersteady yellow means emergency charging, which happens only on very low battery03:41
DocScrutinizerthis is a hardware function that hardly ever fails in such a way it would kick in for fully chaged battery03:42
SpeedEvilI'd try plugging it into wallcharger, and leaving for a few hours03:43
DocScrutinizerI'd rather bet on two borked batteries, or a defect external charger, rather than any other explanation why this steady yellow is seen03:43
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: won't help when it doesn't boot up from NOLO03:44
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: he said he sees dim NOKIA03:44
SpeedEvilwon't flasher pause charging?03:44
gn00bone battery i know is going bad. the other i bought a few months ago on ebay, may also be bad. i'll buy another.03:45
DocScrutinizerflasher will not help charging anyway03:45
SpeedEvilGood luck03:46
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DocScrutinizergn00b: check your external charger, maybe it eats batteries03:49
DocScrutinizercheap ones tend to do03:50
ShadowJKThe japod I bought a year or so ago on dealextreme is really excellent. However, the comments on dx forums suggest the current japod bl-5j isn't that good.03:53
DocScrutinizeris that a charger?03:53
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DocScrutinizeraah, a battery?03:55
DocScrutinizerI tend to buy usually original ones from second hand phone shops03:56
DocScrutinizernot that I've done that often03:57
ShadowJKYes it's a battery03:58
ShadowJKit's about a year old, but I only started using it a few weeks ago when my N900 died, and I switched to spare N90003:59
ShadowJKCapacities reported by bq27200, cycle:mAh:: 04:1459, 09:1455, 014:1441, 015:1464, 021:1453, 022:145404:00
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: massive amount of "new N900" on ebay, all "from HK", and probably all fake04:00
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Hurriananyone here?06:39
Hurriani'm having some trouble looking for something i know i saw on before06:39
Hurriansomething about removing the emmc home partition and letting maemo simply create one on the rootfs06:40
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Hurriani think simply removing the "mount /home" lines would work06:41
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Macerbeen messimg with the lumia a while now07:43
Macerit is awesome07:44
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TermanaMacer, LIES!08:15
TermanaMacer, BLASPHEMY!08:15
TermanaMacer, OFF WITH YOUR HEAD IT IS!!!08:15
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Vib3hmmm -> /etc/init.d/sendmail: .: line 35: can't open /lib/init/vars.sh10:38
Vib3and theres even no /lib/init dir10:39
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DocScrutinizerhmm, sendmail10:58
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DocScrutinizersounds like this plg been configured for a completely different platform where /lib/init/ exists, and either by accident or carelessly (or not at all ;-P) got ported to harmattan11:01
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vdvhow can i autostart some app on boot? (app should be run after runlevel 4 is init)11:21
vdvi've added entry to /etc/event.d/11:22
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Vib3Doc I got n900 if you can remember :p11:22
Vib3yea seems so..11:23
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vdvprobably i need start on started xsession, and not start on started hildon-desktop...11:23
NIN101/etc/event.d is ok11:25
NIN101e. g.: start on started hildon-desktop \n exec [path to your program] \n stop on starting shutdown <-- where \n means the start of a new line...11:27
vdvthink, the problem was with DISPLAY var11:28
vdvchecking now11:28
vdvNIN101, does set DISPLAY?11:28
NIN101yes it does11:30
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vdvwhat is the purpose of
vdvdeamonize process?11:33
vdvwhat if the process i want to run is "emacs --daemon"?11:33
NIN101setting up environment variables etc. - just look at the source.11:36
vdvNIN101, thanks a lot!11:37
vdvthat was a reason11:37
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vdvstarting with solved the problem11:37
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DocScrutinizerthe downside: you can't ever stop these autostarted apps12:04
vdvDocScrutinizer, can't i just kill the process?12:05
DocScrutinizerget restarted immediately :-D12:06
vdvDocScrutinizer, i.e. this happens if i use
DocScrutinizernot OHM, HD12:06
vdvor .desktop file approach12:07
DocScrutinizerI didn't even mention run-standalone.sh12:07
vdvah, ok12:07
NIN101stuff in /etc/event.d/ isn't auotmatically watched by the watchdog you can close your apps and they won't respawn.12:08
DocScrutinizersure, but then this is *not* the place to start X "childs"12:08
DocScrutinizerrather xinitrc, or xsession or whatever been the file12:09
vdvDocScrutinizer, why if there's hildon-desktop option for set on started?12:09
DocScrutinizerbecuase HD isn't ready immediately after start?12:09
DocScrutinizerbecause you got no handle into X in init.d?12:10
NIN101 start on started hildon-desktop12:10
NIN101but sure, they are not X childs, this is true.12:10
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DocScrutinizer"start on started" doesn't mean the started process fully initialized12:11
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DocScrutinizerit just means the process got loaded and is running12:11
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DocScrutinizerwhich, for X, definitely doesn't mean all the child processes are also initialized and ready to deal with "the world" asking for services12:12
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DocScrutinizerI.E. X is working via unix sockets (iirc), basically a network protocol. The X server may or may not yet have established his sockets so any process you start in any other place already can "connect to display:0.0"12:20
DocScrutinizerand even if X has done that, not all elementary childs of X may already listen to X messages and answer requests to e.g. add an icon to status menu or whatever12:23
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DocScrutinizerthat's what you usually got xinitrc* for that, or anything the "initial client" (aka *manager) offers. here it's the desktop files which are scanned by HD for the "X-Maemo-Prestarted=always" line12:28
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Vib3started sendmail and got now running -> sendmail: MTA: Queue runner@00:10:00 for /var/spool/m12:36
Vib3tried to set relayhost but nothin happens when sending mail, no errors12:36
NIN101well indeed init shouldn't start X applications, so using .xsession or something is indeed the proper way. But there reasons why the /etc/event.d/ stuff works, becuase hildon-desktop is a fake job which watches for a "touch" in /tmp somewhere and this touch indicates that hildon-desktop is ready.12:37
NIN101and then they have the same in /etc/X11/ but with the difference that is  also sends a dbus "hildon is ready" message. Maemo is a mess :P.12:40
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DocScrutinizerbtw take all my talk about X above with a grain of salt, from my many "iirc" and "afaik" you can tell I'm not exactly an X expert12:43
DocScrutinizerand yes, sure it's xsession you wanna exploit, not xinitrc12:46
DocScrutinizermixed up the two12:46
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: 100% ack for "a mess"12:47
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Vib3has anyone got sendmail working with relayhost on n900?13:03
vdvis it safe if "user" user on n900 will have password?13:06
vdvif i set a password won't that brick the device? :)13:07
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Palivdv, I have set user password and all working fine13:08
vdvPali, cool, thanks13:08
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DocScrutinizertbh I don't even know if I have password set for user13:49
* Sicelo has :)13:49
DocScrutinizerI guess I have, as I can ssh in to user, using ssh key, and iirc that doesn't work without password set13:49
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ssh user@  -> user@'s password:... :-D13:51
DocScrutinizerHAH, I even recalled what pw I've set13:51
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DocScrutinizerot exactly, but close13:54
DocScrutinizerin fact the PIN of my SIM13:54
Sicelogosh! now you remind me that i have a PIN in SIM.. but haven't used it in 3 years :/13:56
DocScrutinizer0000? ;-P13:56
DocScrutinizerseems this is the standard PIN in Taiwan13:57
DocScrutinizerconcept of PIN widely unknown over there13:57
DocScrutinizermaybe related to the fact that the concept of theft also isn't very widespread13:58
DocScrutinizeralegedly you can leave you phone (or purse) on some bank in the park, and pick it up a week later13:59
DocScrutinizerI have a hard time to believe that, but anyway...13:59
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DocScrutinizerany suggestions on sharing media? I want to add generic SFTP to upload to my server, rather than discontinued OVIshare or whatnot14:27
DocScrutinizerI'd guess somebody already implemented such stuff?14:27
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DocScrutinizerhmm, close:
DocScrutinizerjust don't feel like setting up webdav on my server14:57
DocScrutinizerSFTP the protocol of my choice14:57
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: dropbox?15:52
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: meh, nope15:53
DocScrutinizerthanks anyway15:53
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DocScrutinizerjust trying to pick up the pieces on how to use that thing15:53
DocScrutinizerto be found under "sharing-cli" in extras-devel15:54
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if it might show up in a convenient way under "accounts"15:55
DocScrutinizeralas nope15:55
DocScrutinizeronly friggin OVI in there15:55
DocScrutinizerwhich goes down on 30.05.15:56
* dm8tbr found a gallery2 sharing plugin somewhere15:56
DocScrutinizerI want my own server for destination of SFTP15:56
DocScrutinizeror SCP15:56
dm8tbrit was somewhere on that whatchamacallit server including source15:57
DocScrutinizeras I honestly got pissed by all those sharing services15:57
dm8tbrgallery2 is something you can host yourself jftr15:57
dm8tbrbut if you take the garage source it should be easy enough to change that to use scp15:57
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*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo15:58 is good enough for me and my purposes15:58
DocScrutinizerand this sharing-cli shall be easy to create arbitrary accounts, see above link15:58
DocScrutinizerI "just" have to find out where to config it15:59
DocScrutinizeror where to find out how to config it15:59
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DocScrutinizerI.E. manpage/wiki missing/unknown16:00
DocScrutinizerfor unclear reasons pkg interface doesn't find anything about sharing-cli16:01
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DocScrutinizer[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=share&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same :-/16:06
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DocScrutinizerI fsckng wonder where they got a minimum of HowTo for that stuff16:07
DocScrutinizeror will it just need a reboot, to pop up ubercool GUI ?16:08
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DocScrutinizernah, I'm just obtuse16:09
DocScrutinizerfinally time to create a key pair, and get a sftp-login user on my server16:14
DocScrutinizerand a few ACL rules16:14
DocScrutinizer(not going to keep privkey for root access to that server on my phone ;-D )16:15
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MacerTermana: lol... a piece of me wishes i was lying but yeah.. i'm a convert heh16:40
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Macerwindows phone is actually a good OS16:40
Maceronce you tweak it a bit and get used to apps like ssh and IM not running in the background16:40
Macerthe push thing is kind of new to me coming off the n900... but those were minor issues that tmux reattaching on login fixed for ssh and IM+ Pro fixed for IM16:41
ShadowJKbackground is extremely important for me :/16:41
Maceri'm sorry to say it.. but the Lumia 900... the damn thing is ... awesome16:41
SpeedEvilI'm conflicted.16:41
MacerShadowJK: i haven't ran into an app yet where i really needed it.. other than ssh16:41
Macerwhich like i said... putting tmux attach -d in my .bashrc fixed ;)16:42
SpeedEvilI want it to be shit because I want nokia to go back to linux.16:42
Maceri know.. but i'm sorry to say... that it is awesome lol16:42
SpeedEvilBut I want it to succeed as it's needed in the marketplace16:42
Maceryeah.. it sure does need to... ios is irritating.. and android is always flakey16:42
ShadowJKWell like now when I'm at a machine shop servicing computers, I occasionally pick up N900 from pocket to read the webpage I started loading 15 minutes ago so that I'd have something to do the next time 30 secs of time has to be killed :P16:43
Macerit's a good device tho16:43
ShadowJKexcept this time I checked xchat instead :P16:43
Maceryeah.... no background irc on the lumia16:44
Macerbut i always use ssh and irssi for that anyways16:44
Macermaybe they'll make a push notification irc client but i doubt it16:44
Maceronly nerds use irc :)16:44
Macerthe cattle use txt messaging heh16:44
ShadowJKThe time it takes to login to ssh and restore screen is greater than the amount of time I usually spend checking irc or whatever :)16:44
Macerlol.. it goes fast ;)16:47
Macerbut then agian i'm using wifi and att lte16:47
Macertakes like 5s maybe16:47
Macerthere is only one thing that sucks with windows phone 7.516:47
Macerthe tile screen doesn't rotate16:47
Macerheh.. it reminds me of the n900 when i first got it and the desktop didn't rotate16:48
Macerthey stay portrait16:48
Macerit would be awesome if they made it so each individual tile rotated when you put the phone sideways.. instead of flopping the entire screen sideways like most OSes do16:48
Macerand.... i miss a hw qwerty :(16:49
Macerthe n900 had the best hw keyboard i ever used16:49
Maceromg lol16:50
Macerwell.. hopefully their quartly report after the lumia 900 release looks better16:52
Macereither way.. if it doesn't MS will buy them at pennies on the dollar :)16:53
ShadowJKit takes too long even on wifi backed by 100M fibre :)16:53
Maceryour n900? microb always had been a bit on the slow side16:54
Maceri feel like buying nokia stock16:54
Macernow's the time! :)16:54
ShadowJKxterm and ssh16:55
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jacekowskinokia went down a lot in last few years17:08
jacekowskiin 2008 it was almost 40$17:08
jacekowskinow it's less than $417:08
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DocScrutinizerwell, I'm still gaming, sitting on my virtual stock I pretended to buy at 7.114EUR17:23
SpeedEvilIt's at the price it was in 199517:26
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Macerjacekowski: yeah lol17:27
Macerjacekowski: but it seems taht lumia 900 was a success in the US at least17:27
Macerso maybe that success will carry over.. but at $3/share.. omg even i need to get some lol17:28
Macerif their partnership with MS takes off and they start actually selling phones again then it's a wrap17:28
Macertheir stock will go up 1000% in 1 quarter17:28
Macersince it's so cheaply priced now17:28
SpeedEvilOr microsoft decides they'd actually like to own it.17:29
SD69merlin1991: ping17:31
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merlin1991SD69: pong17:31
SD69did you talk with X-Fade after council meeting re cssu maintainership?17:32
merlin1991it's all fixed now17:32
merlin1991uploading to cssu is now linked to garage groups17:32
merlin1991 and
DocScrutinizerand obviously was easier to implement than our workaround17:33
merlin1991SD69: if you're interested in the raw irc log of that conversation see
DocScrutinizerat least judging by how long it took17:34
SD69glad it's done17:36
SD69merlin1991: I've heard about loss of zoom functionality on cssu - is it the keyboard shortcut only that was dropped?17:37
merlin1991we dropped the keyboard shortcut and the poc implementation of the complete desktop zoom17:37
merlin1991it was only a poc an noone was willing to work on it17:37
DocScrutinizerand it was useless anyway I heard, as you could zoom but not pan17:38
merlin1991(it got added to cssu in version 20.2010.36-2maemo13 (09.03.2011) )17:38
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: well you could pan, depending on the position of the moon and your birthday ;)17:39
merlin1991in other words it worked perfectly fine once in a while xD17:39
SD69so individuals apps can still zoom with +/- keys?17:39
merlin1991sure, that was never touched17:40
DocScrutinizerthe zoom was a X-global one AIUI17:40
merlin1991we only removed the full display zoom Ctrl + Shift + s / f17:40
DocScrutinizerso if an app has local zoom implemented that will of course still work17:41
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DocScrutinizer(e.g microB, xterm fontsize)17:41
SD69any thoughts on cOBS from cssu pov?17:43
merlin1991if anything it gets better17:43
merlin1991we currently can't build on the autobuilder anyway17:43
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: nokia isn't only mobile phone company17:54
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: they do network gear as well17:54
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: and all carrier side of GSM17:54
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: but iirc it's either iranian firewall or china firewall that runs on nokia gear17:55
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SpeedEvilWell - yes, I know18:12
SpeedEvilCarrier side is also getting cannibalised a bit by China AIUI18:13
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Macerchina firewall! woo!18:34
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DocScrutinizerI bet great chinese FW is using a potpourri of brands18:39
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DocScrutinizerand I doubt any manufacturer will build selfdestruction devices into all their racks, that fire on detecting they are running a cetain unspecified type of software18:41
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vdvwhere can i get normal touch command on my n900?19:48
vdvnormal, i.e. not busybox one19:48
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keriovdv: hmm...20:00
keriognu coreutils?20:00
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vdvruskie, i've installed coreutils-gnu, but i still get busybox version of touch when type touch, and i'm in bash, how can i run coreutils version of touch?20:09
ruskietried gtouch ?20:09
vdvcool, thanks20:09
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vdvruskie, dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/icd_ui boolean:false20:45
vdvdbus call above opens internet connection dialog20:45
vdvand user selects a connection to connect20:45
vdvis it possible to take some action additional to connecting to internet?20:46
vdvi.e. programmatically20:46
vdvmaybe some shell script is called before interface gets up?20:47
vdvlike /usr/sbin/ is called when user presses pc suite button20:48
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Sicelolulz.. karma of 3, lol20:57
ruskievdv, check the wiki there is some page about it iirc20:58
ruskievdv, it should be possible20:58
NIN101/etc/network/if-pre-up.d or if-up.d or whatevr you like21:01
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vdvNIN101, pefect!21:03
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vdvNIN101, thanks a lot21:04
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vdvNIN101, i should just put shell scripts in those dirs, right?21:05
vdvthere's no special format21:05
vdvok, i'll google21:05
* Sicelo uses that to run ntpdate ;)21:06
vdvguys, you are helped me today so much, thanks21:07
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DocScrutinizervdv: set usr/bin/gnu in your $PATH21:28
infobotit has been said that jrtools is
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DocScrutinizervdv: do NOT add gnu/ to your startup path! it will break boot21:30
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DocScrutinizerI.E. sysinit and X need to startup without gnu in path21:31
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vdvDocScrutinizer, but i don't have gnu/ in my PATH, should I?21:32
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DocScrutinizervdv: I'm using a sed cmd in .bashrc, and first thing I do in xterm messybox is start bash21:33
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DocScrutinizer[2012-04-22 20:28:36] <DocScrutinizer> vdv: set usr/bin/gnu in your $PATH21:33
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vdvDocScrutinizer, i don't understand context of your advice to set usr/bin/gnu in PATH21:36
DocScrutinizer[2012-04-22 18:48:12] <vdv> where can i get normal touch command on my n900?21:36
vdvah, ok21:36
DocScrutinizer[2012-04-22 19:09:09] <vdv> ruskie, i've installed coreutils-gnu, but i still get busybox version of touch when type touch, and i'm in bash, how can i run coreutils version of touch?21:36
vdvi did apt-get install coreutils-gnu21:36
vdvand i din't reboot yet21:36
vdvDocScrutinizer, i execute gtouch, instead of touch21:37
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DocScrutinizervdv: that sucks, no?21:39
vdvthat i should use gtouch instead of touch?21:39
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vdvDocScrutinizer, what sucks?21:41
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DocScrutinizerI always felt it sucks to use g* since /usr/bin/gnu/* isn't in path21:42
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vdvbut only installing coreutils-gnu won't brick device, right?21:43
vdvusing g* command is ok for me now21:44
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vdvi'm so tired with my n90021:45
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vdvif someone would buy it, i'll sell21:45
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ShadowJKhow come?21:45
vdvi'm spending all my time trying to tweak it21:46
vdvconstantly, new things appear everyday21:46
MrOppositeHi, how do I get curl to work? I keep getting an error:21:46
MrOppositecurl: relocation error: curl: symbol curl_dostrdup, version CURL_OPENSSL_3 not defined in file with link time reference21:46
vdvsomething, that doesn't work as expected21:46
vdvand should be fixed, workaround-ed21:47
ShadowJKstop tweaking then? Just because it's not forbidden doesn't mean it's mandatory :P21:47
MrOppositewith this command: curl -R -O "http://<username>:<password>"21:47
vdvShadowJK, but i've payed for device, i did have big expectations, i ignored all those googlephones, was inspired with maemo21:48
MrOpposite(that command is a part of a bigger script, I just narrowed the problem down to that single line21:48
ShadowJKhehe, saw someone trying to read email on a samsung galaxy something or other today21:49
DocScrutinizervdv: I know how you feel, I had that times as well. Until I found out a lot is just a bit unusual and very sparsely documented21:49
ShadowJKScrolling through list of mails froze, then it opened a random email lol21:49
MrOppositevdv I like the n900 because of the tweeking, it makes my phone feel like MY phone21:50
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MrOppositeWhat I like is writing small scripts that makes my life easier in a nerd-way21:51
DocScrutinizervdv: and messybox been one of the major PITAS for me, until a got the catch what messybox actually is and how it works21:51
MrOppositeNow, that script is messed up... because of CURL21:51
vdvMrOpposite, i could close my eyes for all that "complexity" if nokia wouldn't so unfair und didn't stop support21:51
* ShadowJK suspects other phones don't have any better userland :P21:51
DocScrutinizerdefimitely not21:52
DocScrutinizermaybe SHR21:52
MrOppositeAnyway, DocScrutinizer do you know how to get cURL working?21:52
MrOppositeYou seem to know quite a bit21:52
DocScrutinizerat least on SHR things don't break when you install proper bash and unixtools and discard messybox21:52
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vdvsadly, open source and mobile devices is like utopie21:53
DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: I am sorry to disappoint you, but I never even heard of cURL21:53
MrOppositeoh, okay21:53
ShadowJKMeeGo doesn't have busybox, but then again there are no devices lol21:53
DocScrutinizervdv: ShadowJK: there's OM FreeRunner, and now even GTA0421:54
MrOppositeIs it possible to recieve the body of a http-request that returns an 409-error in wget?21:54
DocScrutinizerall as opensource as it gets, GTA04 even comes without *any* OS installed :-P21:54
ShadowJKgta04 is kinda bare bones, literally ;p21:55
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SpeedEvilGTA01 did too!21:55
SpeedEvilBoot to kernel panic21:55
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vdvlol, Free Runner takes up to four minites to boot22:00
vdvjust saw video22:00
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SpeedEvilDepends on OS22:01
SpeedEvilCan be a lot faster22:01
vdvah, ok22:02
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MrOppositeI got cURL to work22:04
MrOppositenow all I need to do is to get microB to send magnet links to that script22:05
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MrOppositeuhm, is mp-fremantle-002-pr vital package?22:10
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ShadowJKyes, quite22:10
MrOppositeIt... sortof got automatically removed by aptitude22:11
ShadowJKYou're probably trying to install a package from another distro22:11
ShadowJKor, you're using aptitude, heh.22:11
MrOppositeno, I upgraded libcurl322:11
ShadowJKapt-get and friends will remove maemo if you install stuff from outside maemo :P22:11
MrOppositeShadowJK what does the package DO?22:12
MrOppositeI haven't found any information on that yet22:12
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ShadowJKIt's a meta package that brings in all other packages22:13
MrOppositeMeh, I can live without that...22:13
MrOppositeAs long as my phone still boots22:13
ShadowJKIt'll break :P22:14
MrOppositeUhm, why?22:15
MrOppositeIf it's only purpose is to bring in other packages, and no other packages were lost22:15
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MrOpposite(I'm not trying to sound ignorat, I don't see the problem, which I think exists because of what you just said)22:16
vdvruskie, any idea why in following howto dovecot is started with -F option from inside of event.d script?
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vdv-F means run in foreground22:19
ShadowJKyou might be right, but usually doing something like that usually also blows away the rest of the system too :P22:19
vdvruskie, why not start deamonized dovecot from event.d script?22:20
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DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: you probably can live without fremantle-MP, for a while. You also can reinstall it22:29
DocScrutinizeror you use the opportunity to switch to CSSU-Stable which comes with an own MP22:29
DocScrutinizerotherwise next autoremove will nuke your complete system22:30
DocScrutinizerand all sorts of weird appmanagers like fapman and aptitude and whatnot else do autoremove quite frequently it seems22:30
* RST38h moos quietly22:31
DocScrutinizerand - just in case you never heard: NEVER do (dist-)upgrade or autoremove22:32
* RST38h does upgrade22:32
RST38hnot dist- though, that is bound to ruin something22:32
DocScrutinizerRST38h: you're a terrorist22:32
DocScrutinizeryou always do weird things and nobody can stop you ;-P22:33
RST38ha masochist, maybe, a terrorist though?22:33
RST38hwhen you do upgrade, apt always asks you if you really want to do that22:33
DocScrutinizeryou got a clue of what you're doing though - usually22:33
RST38hso, when I see that it offers me evil stuff, I click N22:34
RST38hhas been pretty harmless lately though22:34
DocScrutinizeras long as you don't decide to add -devel just for fun22:34
RST38hnah, bad idea22:35
DocScrutinizeror - alternatively - always had -devel enabled22:35
RST38hI have extras-devel enabled, but not the actual nokia devel repo22:35
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RST38hextras-devel has long been used as extras, sans the anal-retentive promotion policies22:37
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RST38hnokia's devel repo that Scratchbox-based SDK uses is full of weird stuff though22:38
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MrPinguEver heard of a sudden reboot loop?22:47
MrPinguYesterday I just put away my phone on charger, the next morning i found it was turned off22:48
Macerwow. the old school battlestar galactica is on22:48
MrPinguI thought well probably charger wasn't inserted properly, but instead my n900 turned itself in ready-for-reflash brick :P22:49
MrPinguThe strangest of this all is, I didn't do anything special. I said here goodnight and the next morning it was dead. Anyone heard of this before?22:51
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MrPinguah g2g bye!22:59
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MrOppositeDocScrutinizer tell me more about the CSSU-Stable MP-thingi23:23
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