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AddisonGreetings everyone.  :o)00:36
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szopeenyo addi00:52
AddisonHiya chief!00:53
AddisonHow are you?  :o)00:53
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szopeengood, though gonna spend friday evening on ghhhkhbuntu 12.04 boot-trying, so prolly makes me foreveralone.jpg00:54
szopeenhow about yourself?00:55
AddisonI'm doing great.  Thanks for asking.  :o)00:55
szopeenyou getting my /msgs?00:57
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narcosHey all.11:12
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narcosI upgraded to power-kernel50 from a previous version, but it's caused some problems, and I'd like to revert. What's the best way to do this? I upgraded by doing a 'apt-get update' and then installing power-kernel from HAM11:14
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Sicelonarcos: you can downgrade to stock kernel, then upgrade to your chosen kernel11:16
narcosSicelo: Ahhh11:16
Siceloyou can also just downgrade in one step using apt-get (if you're brave) :)11:16
narcosI'm bravae11:17
narcosRather - how tricky is the downgrade to stock process?11:17
Sicelothen apt-get install .. you need 3 packages, kernel-power, kernel-power-modules, kernel-power-flasher11:17
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narcosThe above 3 packages are already at the newest version11:19
* narcos finds
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Siceloapt-get install kernel-power=1:2.6.28-10power49 .....11:22
Sicelobtw, what problems does KP50 give you?11:23
narcosSicelo: Injection drivers for the wireless don't load11:23
Siceloiirc you need new modules or something like that.. check in TMO11:23
narcosSicelo: Is there a way to determine what power-kernel version I previously had?11:23
narcosI think it was 4011:23
narcosBut I'm not certain11:24
Siceloi don't think that's possilbe .. not absolutely sure though11:24
narcosHmm - lemme check the chan log, I think I may have mentioned it before11:26
Sicelorepos have 50, 49, 42, 37, and 2411:26
narcosGuess I'll try 42 - it is a magic number and all11:29
narcosSo, apt-get install kernel-power=1:2.6.28-10power42  ?11:30
Siceloapt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo4211:33
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narcosDoh @ super slow GRPS connection on the phone11:35
narcosSicelo: Process finished - I just reboot now?11:40
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narcosSicelo: Success :) Down to 4211:53
* narcos tries packet injection drivers now11:53
narcosOi, a whole new set of errors11:57
* narcos will go find food and ponder11:57
narcosThanks for the help Sicelo !11:58
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zeqnarcos: are you certain KP doesn't have injection drivers by default? Just a thought, haven't checked.12:05
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Sicelono, not by default..12:10
Siceloi just think he didn't need to downgrade.. especially to 42 :/12:10
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DocScrutinizerI guess zeq was right12:21
DocScrutinizerAIUI just the generic instructions how to install and load injection drivers simply don't match kp50 which comes with them already?12:24
DocScrutinizerso following instructions how to install 42 drivers of course would result in "doesn't load drivers"12:25
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* RST38h yawns, greets Doc12:33
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Macerweird.. my sim seems to have started working again13:45
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Macerwell... sim reader13:46
Maceroh well lol13:46
Macerit hasn't messed up all day13:46
Maceri'm sure i have spoken too soon but still :)13:47
Vib3triend to send sms via script13:48
Vib3but says -> ImportError: No module named QtMobility.Messaging13:48
Vib3I installed just -> python-qtmobility.messaging and python-qtmobility12.messaging13:49
Vib3what packet is needed? :o13:49
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Vib3found deps but now segfaulting..14:05
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DocScrutinizerare you sure you're talking on right channel? sounds like you mix up fremantle and harmattan14:13
DocScrutinizerif you are using a N9 (or 950) then you should /join #harmattan. If N900 is your device, I dunno if the qt-mobility approach applies at a ll14:14
Vib3hi Doc, using n900 :)14:16
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Vib3that is segfaulting ->
DocScrutinizerooh, I've been wrong it seems:
DocScrutinizeryeah :-)14:17
Vib3Python 2.5.414:18
DocScrutinizeranyway I sugest the 2nd approach there ;-D14:18
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Vib3ok, its shorter :p14:18
DocScrutinizerthird one is probably most clean one, and in line with dbus-centric concept of fremantle14:19
DocScrutinizerwhile 2nd one will probably send SMS that don't even show up in messages history14:20
DocScrutinizerpnatd directly talks to modem, bypassing all fremantle framework that usually handles conversations14:21
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Vib3sent sms to own number, did't see anything to appear with 2nd example14:29
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Vib3had typo :p14:30
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Vib3now need to learn python to set up params :F14:31
Vib3to make that script more efficent14:32
jonwilI think the DBUS method of sending SMSs is the best way to go14:32
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Vib3thats so long script :p14:33
DocScrutinizer  import getopt, sys14:33
DocScrutinizer  try:14:33
DocScrutinizer    opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:],"hlt:", ["help","listen","time="])14:33
DocScrutinizer  number = args[0]14:34
DocScrutinizer  msg = args[1]14:34
DocScrutinizerjonwil: ack14:34
DocScrutinizerand Hi!14:34
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Vib3hmm says ->14:39
Vib3    number = args[0]14:39
Vib3         ^14:39
Vib3SyntaxError: invalid syntax14:39
Vib3should that "try:" be there? :p14:40
Vib3or was it just to me to try it14:40
DocScrutinizeryou can't c&p the few lines above, they were just a quote what'S doing the argument parsing in the exampe #3 in phonecontrol14:40
DocScrutinizerthe "try:" is a part of an exception catcher construct in python14:41
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DocScrutinizerit needs "except:" for when "try:" fails14:41
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DocScrutinizerthat's why "number =" is a syntax error at lat position, at thet indentation level14:42
Vib3hmm my n900 is so slowwwwww, uptime 17 days..14:43
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DocScrutinizerkillall browserd14:44
Vib3even I have CSSU community14:44
Vib3thx, faster now :p14:45
DocScrutinizer  import getopt, sys14:45
Vib3that should be added to CSSU14:45
DocScrutinizer  try:14:45
DocScrutinizer    opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:],"hlt:", ["help","listen","time="])14:45
DocScrutinizer  except getopt.GetoptError, err:14:45
DocScrutinizer    # print help information and exit:14:45
DocScrutinizer    print str(err) # will print something like "option -a not recognized"14:45
DocScrutinizer    usage()14:45
DocScrutinizer    sys.exit(2)14:45
DocScrutinizersorry for spam14:45
DocScrutinizerdon't learn from my nasty habit14:46
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Vib3yea, I was just about to use pastebin :p14:46
DocScrutinizeranyway that's a proper arg parser14:47
DocScrutinizerafter that ' number = args[0] ' should work14:48
Vib3how do I use variables in perl? child.send('$msg') ?14:50
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DocScrutinizerWAAAH perl14:51
Vib3yea, perl guy here :p14:52
Vib3never done python as you can see... :D:D:14:52
DocScrutinizerpython is quite simple, all you have to know is it strictly uses indentation as a code structure element14:53
DocScrutinizerwhich makes it particularly unsuited for pasting code snippets to wiki14:54
DocScrutinizeror IRC ;-P14:54
DocScrutinizerwell, there's another interesting aspect with python: you can tell from the line >> opts, args = getopt.getopt(... <<14:55
Vib3yeap :p14:55
DocScrutinizerfunctions can return quite complex results14:55
Vib3but how do I use that 'msg' variable in that 'child.send' ? was that correct?14:56
DocScrutinizernfc, that's perl :-)14:56
Vib3hmm without that '$'14:56
DocScrutinizerthe question how to use python vars in perl is... err...14:57
Vib3no its python script :p14:57
Vib3editing that script14:57
DocScrutinizerin python a var is a var14:58
DocScrutinizerfobar = fobar + 414:58
Vib3ok so -> child.send(msg);14:59
DocScrutinizerlooks ok'ish14:59
Vib3how about this? -> child.send('at+cmgs=number\r');15:00
Vib3how to separate that number variable from string text :p15:00
DocScrutinizerthat's sending a string const you defined in place15:01
DocScrutinizererr, sth along: arg = 'at+cmgs=' % number15:02
DocScrutinizerI bet this was wrong15:02
DocScrutinizerstring operators are quite obscure for me in python15:02
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DocScrutinizermaybe >> myarg = "at+cmgs="15:03
DocScrutinizerno clue really, as you can tell from this^^^15:04
DocScrutinizeranyway in python basically everything is an object, with associated methods15:05
Vib3didn't work -> number = 'at+cmgs=' % args[0] % '\r'15:06
vdvn900 question. is there any way to schedule an action when internet connection (3G, wlan) becomes active? i know how to do it when phone connected via usb, i can add commands in pcsuite-enable and pcsuite-disable15:07
Vib3think it needs '\r' to end15:07
DocScrutinizervdv: check ifup15:07
DocScrutinizer>>> print(str)15:10
vdvDocScrutinizer, is this a shell script?15:10
DocScrutinizer>>> str=str + "ABC"15:10
DocScrutinizer>>> print(str)15:10
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DocScrutinizervdv: I think this is a (shell) cmd that invokes additions stuff if existing15:10
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DocScrutinizerjust a starting point where to look15:11
DocScrutinizermaybe not even a good one15:11
DocScrutinizer>>> str=str + 515:12
DocScrutinizerTraceback (most recent call last):15:12
DocScrutinizer  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>15:12
DocScrutinizerTypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects15:12
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vdvDocScrutinizer, ok, thanks15:14
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RST38hDoc: Are you teaching him Ruby?15:14
RST38hDoc: Are you teaching yourself Ruby15:14
RST38hIs it the end of the world?15:14
vdvDocScrutinizer, ifup just activates a connection on given interface15:15
TermanaOne day you mention you'll probably go to Android for your next device and the next your writing Ruby15:17
TermanaIt's a dangerous gateway I tells ya15:17
DocScrutinizerRST38h: just playing a bit with python :-)15:17
DocScrutinizer>>> str=str+num.__str__()15:18
DocScrutinizer>>> print(str)15:18
DocScrutinizernum=5; obviously15:18
DocScrutinizerI bet a few python savvy coders just went vomiting15:19
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DocScrutinizermy last python coding is like 12 years ago15:21
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Vib3DocScrutinizer: by this string prints fine but doesn't work -> number = "at+cmgs=" + args[0] + "\r"15:30
Vib3but doesn't show "\r" ofcourse, mayve child.send needs it15:30
Vib3* maybe15:31
* DocScrutinizer glares at "\r"15:31
DocScrutinizerhmm, no. should work15:32
Vib3but doesn't, using also -> child.send(number);15:32
DocScrutinizeruse ' instead "15:32
DocScrutinizermight make a diff15:32
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Vib3what a pain..15:34
DocScrutinizer\r means carriage return and that's what it does15:34
Vib3hmm so it needs to be passed to child.send15:34
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DocScrutinizeranyway pnatd is using generic AT interface of cellmo, so you need exactly the right format for that string15:40
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DocScrutinizeryou could invoke pnatd on shell directly, this will show you the result msgs from modem15:45
DocScrutinizerbeware! you need a "killall pnatd" in another shell to quit15:45
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DocScrutinizerVib3: I see you omitted the " around <number> in your string construction15:54
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DocScrutinizerdepending on AT parser this may or even will fail15:54
Vib3yea, that comes from php :p15:55
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DocScrutinizernumber = 'at+cmgs="' + args[0] + '"\r'15:55
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DocScrutinizerjust for best practice, even:15:57
DocScrutinizernumber = 'AT+CMGS="' + args[0] + '"\r'15:57
Vib3that worked, missed that " and ' was needed to together15:57
Vib3that was cos of \r ?15:58
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DocScrutinizernumber = 'AT+CMGS="' + args[0].replace('+', '00') + '"\r'15:59
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DocScrutinizermy toenails curl on that 0 in args[0]16:02
DocScrutinizerwell, that's c16:02
DocScrutinizer*that comes from*16:02
Vib3c <316:03
Vib3python :F16:03
Vib3DocScrutinizer: thx m8)!16:05
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LaoLang_coolI want the camera button to run xterm when the lens cover is on, is it possible?16:06
keriocamkeyd can be configured i think16:06
DocScrutinizerI think it's named shortcutd or sth like that16:06
DocScrutinizeror that16:06
keriobut why would you want to lose the awesome default of task-switching?16:06
DocScrutinizermaybe because awesome taskswitching is on <ctrl>+<bs> already?16:07
DocScrutinizerwell, then OTOH awesome xterm is on errr shift+ctrl-x?16:08
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DocScrutinizer(<Vib3> that was cos of \r ?) nope, that was because of syntax of that AT cmd is >> AT+CMGS=<string> << and sting in AT is >> "[char]..." <<<16:12
Vib3DocScrutinizer: so 00$countrycode works also when calling? forget that "$"16:12
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: hard to type shift-ctrl-x...16:12
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DocScrutinizerI think in GSM "00" is common countrycode prefix, not sure about that "+"16:15
DocScrutinizerfire up pnatd and test it! ;-D16:15
DocScrutinizerATD+180012345678  vs ATD0018001234567816:16
Vib3worked also :p16:16
DocScrutinizerI guess both will work16:16
MacerN900 is still going16:17
DocScrutinizerMacer: need help how to fix this annoying status?16:17
* DocScrutinizer offers the sledgehammer16:18
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MacerdiD speak too soon16:30
Macerdamn sim cut off again :)16:30
Macerah well16:30
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jpinxjust reflashed successfully, didn't realise that it has to reboot if you change locales16:41
* DocScrutinizer waves and ->afk16:46
Vib3bye Doc!16:47
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Vib3is it possible to use #31# when calling from dbus?17:16
jogadunno but if you're typing that on the command line, make sure to escape the part with the '#' so it doesn't turn the rest of the line into a comment ;)17:18
jogaor, er, quote it I mean17:19
jogathough I guess either would work...anyway17:19
jogait's very nice to be able to control the phone so well I think, I've sometimes scheduled wake up calls with it so it makes a call to my gf and turns the speaker on, I might still be sleeping but she'll wake up ;) (she's abroad currently)17:22
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Vib3k, hehe :p17:33
Vib3when put #31# before said problem with number17:33
Vib3its funny when setting number to hidden and calling from dbus, number shows up still17:34
Vib3but DocScrutinizer might know more17:34
jogayeah seems like you can't add it there just like that..tried17:35
Vib3installed starhash enabler but still didn't work17:36
Vib3maybe cos its just #31#17:36
jonwilHow are you dialing this call?17:37
jonwilyeah that thread makes sense17:37
jonwilif you go through Teleapthy and not through it will work better17:38
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Vib3hmmm, python again :F17:39
jonwilspecial things like #31# don't go through, they go through
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DocScrutinizer*#-enabler doesn't affect anything here, it just sets some flag relevant for stock dialer to allow processing of Supplementary Service Codes17:48
DocScrutinizerAT interface won't accept SSC rich "numbers"17:48
jogaare there any especially interesting service codes by the way?17:48
DocScrutinizerquite a couple17:49
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jogaI've never really needed them much myself so I can't really remember them, had to check what the #31# stood for17:50
joganow that I look at that I think the only one I've actually had a proper use for was for forwarding17:51
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jogamaybe a vague memory of a conference call years ago, not sure :)17:51
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DocScrutinizer  (note that all 3-digit codes are USSD, not SSC. they aren't standardized in any way and defined by your provider)18:03
Vib3hmm that says -> NameError: global name 'sbus' is not defined18:09
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DocScrutinizerDANG! >>made excuses instead of owning responsibility for less than standard package<< >>Item was advertized as "brand new", but I received a refurbished phone.<<
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: yeah, I was going to order a backup N900 a month or two ago, then noticed they're all frauds18:25
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Vib3hmm getting with that python calling script ->
Vib3how should that sbus be defined?18:36
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DocScrutinizerI guess that's a typo18:38
DocScrutinizerwhich raises the question: should dbus be defined?18:39
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Vib3now it says -> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'get_object'18:40
Vib3hmm it should be maybe just "bus" :p18:41
DocScrutinizerthis is no proper python program, just a excerpt snippet18:44
DocScrutinizerimport dbus                       \n        bus = dbus.SystemBus()   \n     foobar = bus.get_object('',.....18:46
Vib3yea got it working18:47
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DocScrutinizers/bus =/sbus =/18:49
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: import dbus                       \n        sbus = dbus.SystemBus()   \n     foobar = bus.get_object('',.....18:50
DocScrutinizers/ bus/ sbus/18:51
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: import dbus                       \n        sbus = dbus.SystemBus()   \n     foobar = bus.get_object('',.....18:51
DocScrutinizers/ bus/ sbus/g18:51
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: import dbus                       \n        sbus = dbus.SystemBus()   \n     foobar = sbus.get_object('',.....18:51
Vib3ding dong18:52
Vib3now script calls from hidden number :p18:52
Vib3thx joga and Doc18:52
DocScrutinizerso post it to that friggin tmo thread!18:52
Vib3its there18:53
Vib3just need to make some fixes18:53
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DocScrutinizernot there18:54
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Vib3hmm but it needs still fixing :p18:56
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Maceri wish this damn windows phone has telepathy19:16
Macerif there is one thing i limed the most about maemo it was telepathy19:16
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DocScrutinizeryou limed it? did it help?19:32
vdvi'm trying to create a deb package for n900 in scratchbox. inspite debian dir inside of the dir with sources contains all necessary files, generate deb file is empty19:33
vdvi've created a package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc19:33
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vdvand used this howto:
DocScrutinizerMacer: I fully agree on telepathy being a PITA19:39
DocScrutinizerthe ultimate solution to problems we never had before ;-)19:40
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DocScrutinizerwhile inventing a whole new class of generic problems19:41
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Macerwell. actually. compared to most apps that do the same it isnt bad at all19:46
Maceri always thought it worked quite well. even kn m419:47
Macerdamn vkb19:47
DocScrutinizermodulo telepathy is no app at all19:49
DocScrutinizerit's a meta-meta-meta API for "communication"19:50
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konuris there anyone there?19:52
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konuris there anyone19:52
Siceloyes... ?19:52
konuroh hello19:53
konuri have a n90019:53
konurand i seek a littl┼če help19:53
konurcan you help me?19:53
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infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.19:53
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Siceloah, it works, lol19:53
konurok than19:54
konuri just installed kernel_power19:54
r00t|home"or against our will."  lol19:54
konurthis morning it was working great but i broke it and flashed the phone19:54
konurand now i'm installing the power kernel19:54
konurbut i cant find the file @ /etc/default/kernel-power19:55
konurto change my clock settings19:55
Siceloyeah r00t|home .. i always found that line kewl ;)19:55
konurany ideas how can i get this configuration file?19:56
MacerDocScrutinizer: well. i meant telepathy+conversations19:56
Sicelokonur: i also have kernel-power. i dont have that file. what is the 'real' problem you have?19:56
Macernot sure what the telepathy client for m4 was called19:56
konuri was changing my clock settings from that config file19:56
konurbut i can't find the file19:57
konurand it should be there i mean i used it a lot of times19:57
DocScrutinizerit comes with KP-config19:57
konurthis is an app right?19:58
DocScrutinizerwhich I consider a deprecated tool anyway19:58
Maceruhm. is scottland called something else?19:59
Macerusps doesnt seem to ship to scottland19:59
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Macerdo they use uk post or something?19:59
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DocScrutinizerdeprecated, since it makes messing with guts of kernel way too easy for noobs with no idea what they're doing19:59
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konurwell how can i get this kp-config20:00
Macerthose damn noobs20:00
DocScrutinizerI suppose via appmanager20:00
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konurbut i can't find it there20:00
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konuryes i can't find this kp-config20:03
konuri installed that one20:07
konurbut i still don't have the file20:07
Siceloah.. so when he says clock he means clock speed, lol.. i was still wondering how kernel-power has settings for 'clock'20:08
Vib3is it possible to listen music while making a phone call?20:10
konuri know that page20:10
konuri installed the kernel by this instructions20:10
konurbut still no luck20:11
konuruname -r says i have the power kernel but i don't have config files20:11
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Vib3DocScrutinizer: is it possible to listen music while making a phone call?20:12
Vib3or to play audio file to call20:13
DocScrutinizerbut tricky20:13
DocScrutinizercheck what recall does20:14
DocScrutinizerit at least records both steams20:14
DocScrutinizerfor playback to those streams you need sth similar20:14
DocScrutinizerhigher arcane PA spells20:15
DocScrutinizerkonur: you probably need to create that file, by startung the config app20:17
DocScrutinizerI don't think it gets "installed"20:17
konuryeah you may be right and i figured it just seconds ago and i created same file in home/.kernel20:20
konurand i will edit it from there and load it20:20
konurit should work20:20
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konurconky says its working :)20:30
konurbut i wonder after a reboot20:31
Vib3DocScrutinizer: ok, hmmm not easy one..20:33
konurthank you a zillion time20:34
konuri've figured out how it works good day20:34
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RST38hN900 refuses to mount /home/user/MyDocs. What do I do?22:18
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DocScrutinizerrefuses to mount? how?22:18
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RST38hAfter I reboot the device, there is nothing there but DCIM directory22:19
RST38hhave to mount manually22:19
RST38hbtw, the external sd card does not show up either22:19
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RST38hIs it CSSU?22:21
RST38hyes, I have cssu22:21
DocScrutinizerget most recent update22:21
RST38hno updates shown22:21
DocScrutinizerask freemangordon where to get his fixed ke-recv from22:22
RST38hSo, now latest CSSU breaks all storage?22:22
RST38hAnd that is "ok"?22:22
DocScrutinizernot afaik, it just fails on some particular configs aiui22:22
RST38hIs there any instruction on what to do?22:23
DocScrutinizeraen't you on #maemo-ssu as well?22:23
DocScrutinizerso read your backscroll, I'm not entirely sure what's the problem, I just can say I upgraded to latest T yesterday and all seems just fine for my device22:24
RST38hI do not have backscroll22:27
RST38hAnyway, what version are you running?22:28
RST38h 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo3.1  here22:30
RST38hMghm...even when I manually mount MyDocs, I still cannot access it via USB22:31
RST38hii  ke-recv                                             3.19-1522:32
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DocScrutinizersame here22:51
DocScrutinizerare you sure you haven't plugged it in to USB?22:52
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DocScrutinizerPCsuite-mode would pretty much explain it22:52
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RST38hDoc: I am selecting masst storagemode of course22:53
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Vib3hmm trying to install sendmail22:55
Vib3but says ->22:56
Vib3The following packages have unmet dependencies:22:56
Vib3  sendmail-bin: Depends: sendmail-base but it is not going to be installed22:56
Vib3                Depends: sendmail-cf but it is not going to be installed22:56
Vib3E: Broken packages22:56
valdynVib3: why would you want sendmail?22:56
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Vib3just wanna send mail with script22:57
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valdynVib3: then you dont want sendmail22:57
Vib3k, didn't find postfix22:57
Vib3valdyn: what I want then?22:58
valdynVib3: iirc mutt can send mail alone22:58
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Vib3ok, I will check it23:01
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: yup, exactly what I meant23:30
DocScrutinizersorry, I'm not focused today23:30
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