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merlin1991vizzy: prefered install method is manual anyway01:45
merlin1991the sdk installer is known to go foobar01:45
vizzymerlin1991, yes, seems so01:45
vizzyi tried a few days long on a lenny box, again and again. then i mentioned that the most important information is at bottom of the wiki page, the manual install01:46
vizzyi switched to a lenny virtualbox session and all went fine01:46
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vizzynow i set up a squeeze box on an old pentium 700 laptop ..... still installing01:47
merlin1991btw if you already have a setup you can shortcut the procedure01:48
merlin1991install the scratchbox packages only01:48
merlin1991run the unmount command on your original install01:48
merlin1991and scp the maemo targets over01:49
vizzyproblem on the p800 is, its outside in the garden, connected to internet via gprs and accessible through vpn only... which is really slow, hehe01:49
merlin1991get it in? :D01:49
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vizzyso i attach to a screen session every few hours and see if it still downloads01:50
vizzymerlin1991, no, i cant, its used as a weatherstation, i just hijacked it... hehe01:50
merlin1991get a cable out there?01:50
vizzyno way, its 5km from here, hehe01:51
merlin1991ah okay xD01:51
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merlin1991btw you can also add harmattan targets ;)01:51
vizzysomething like hathor? *g01:51
merlin1991as in maemo6 (n9)01:51
vizzymy intention is to compile tincd vpn for the n90001:52
merlin1991ah :D01:52
merlin1991I've got a setup here with harmattan, and 2 seperate maemo targets xD01:52
vizzyso, if i got it installed, i still need to know where to start01:52
merlin1991and compile01:52
vizzyis it like ...erm... on a normal linux box, set up source, configure, compile static, make a tgz and it will run on the n900 ?01:53
vizzyah ok :)01:53
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vizzyi did lfs a long time, and updated a rh7 box for 10 years from sources but never crosscompiled anything01:53
merlin1991and you only have to compile static what isn't in the n900 (or deploy the libraries)01:53
merlin1991scratchbox does all the work for you01:54
vizzymerlin1991, thats the question, tincd would be depending on some libs, like at least libopenssl01:54
merlin1991btw you can install package into the scratchbox (when you're logged in)01:54
vizzyits a very small vpn tool, but great, runs on my openwrt wifi-3g router01:54
vizzyhmm, i never did a deb package before01:55
merlin1991so libs that aren't on device but in extras can be used aswell inside scratchbox01:55
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merlin1991hm I wonder if libopenssl is in there:
merlin1991because that would be avaiable inside scratchbox from the beginning01:56
vizzyis there a good howto on how to make packages for the n900 from a non debian source package?01:56
merlin1991you can just run make / configure inside scratchbox01:56
merlin1991and copy the resulting binary01:57
merlin1991or you can go the long way and properly debianize the source01:57
vizzyi know how to do that :))01:57
merlin1991(which in the end would call configure and make anyway)01:57
vizzyoh no please no debianizing01:57
vizzythats a long way01:57
merlin1991nah it's 1 command and a lil bit of config editing01:57
vizzyi read through the docu mentioned at the end of the maemo sdk howto, but it dont gets clear to me01:58
vizzymerlin1991, i'll come up with that if its compiled01:58
vizzybut, hmm, there is a deb src package for tinc already01:58
vizzymaybe just using that01:58
vizzyshould have all deps then01:58
vizzybut im always confused about debianizing things01:59
merlin1991debhelper was a bitch01:59
merlin1991and sadly the maemo sdk still creates the old confusing rules file even though the debhelper inside scratchbox properly builds new packages01:59
merlin1991s/new/new as in done the new way/02:00
infobotmerlin1991 meant: and sadly the maemo sdk still creates the old confusing rules file even though the debhelper inside scratchbox properly builds new as in done the new way packages02:00
vizzyok, so just copy the binary and maybe libs to a proper place02:00
merlin1991if the makefile is in place you often only have to drop the default rules file, write a changelog entry and put a little mumbojumbo into the controls file02:00
vizzywoah, vpn through tcpip and gprs is really slow, its still downloading some packages etc02:01
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vizzyill fire up my vbox instead.02:01
vizzymerlin1991, so installing e.g. missing libopenssl will work as usual in scratchbox as on my n900? apt-get install something inside scratchbox armel target and then compile?02:02
vizzyi cant elieve, must try it out now :D02:03
merlin1991and it looks like the debian tinc package depends on libssl02:03
merlin1991which actually is part of the sdk02:03
vizzyah cool02:03
vizzyso i ll get a coffee now and start my first contribution to the n900 :D02:04
merlin1991and liblzo and zlib should be there aswell02:04
merlin1991the only problem you might run into using the debian source package is the init script02:04
merlin1991maemo uses "something"02:04
vizzyi may ask you some more question maybe lateron , hehe02:04
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vizzyyeah, tinc is best started in an xterm i guess02:05
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vizzyi didnt find out yet, and did not dig into it very much, how maemo starts apps at boottime02:05
merlin1991and I have nfc how to write upstart init scripts xD02:06
merlin1991no fucking clue02:08
merlin1991even though that near field commusomething seems to be the stuff cool kids do nowadays we still use nfc with the old meaning in here :D02:09
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ThreeMbäh have to update all openssl installations on my machines :/02:12
ThreeMdamn bugs02:13
vizzymerlin1991, like ftw :))02:14
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merlin1991ThreeM: scared of the newly detected attack vectors?02:15
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ThreeMim not, my boss are scared :)02:16
ThreeMi have better things to do instead of updating debian machines at 01:1602:16
merlin1991yeah I was refering to that02:18
ThreeMi must block these in the firewall, so my boss could check new issues ;)02:18
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merlin1991now I need some paper so I can start playing legend of grimrock02:19
merlin1991Oldschool mode ftw02:19
ThreeMbut i think its hard to do a exploit on that remoty02:19
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merlin1991I think you could attack openvpn servers02:19
ThreeMbut im happy that this is no certificate issue :)02:20
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vizzyouch, hehe, cannot finish sdk install on vbox, disk full *gg02:23
vizzyis it save to unmount / stop scratchbox and move the directory to e.g. /home/scratchbox and make a symlink on / ?02:23
vizzybut i guess a fresh install is faster than moving 100k+ files in a vm :))02:24
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merlin1991vizzy: I even have a different mount on /scratchbox in order to have enough space :D02:27
merlin1991fu legends of grimrock02:29
merlin199110 mins into the game and I'm reaching the top end of my paper02:29
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merlin1991on purpose02:30
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merlin1991oldschool mode :D02:30
ThreeMmaybe i have to look into the game, but im busy with Skyrim02:33
merlin1991Skyrim is so bad, the eldar scrolls series had way better gayms02:33
ThreeMhmm i like it02:33
ThreeMbut its true, its more action based then the other elder scrools games02:34
vizzymerlin1991, yeah, ill set up a new vhdd and mount it under /scratchbox and move files02:34
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vizzyawesome! i compiled tinc. and it runs03:02
vizzyor at leats i can use the command to etc generate vpn keys03:02
vizzybut how is that possible? is scratchbox something like an arm emulator?03:02
vizzydoes it use qemu or something like that in the background?03:02
merlin1991when you are in the arm target of scratchbox is uses qemu in the background and tells gcc to build for arm03:04
merlin1991and does other black magic via all kinds of tricks03:04
vizzyi just womdered and tested to run the armel compiled inary, and it runs.... or at least does not segfault :))03:07
vizzymerlin1991, thx a lot03:07
vizzyill try it now on the n900 , hehe03:07
merlin1991just take care that you're actually in the armel scratchbox target03:08
vizzyi did all that on the hijacked weatherstation, haha through a tinc vpn, thats funny. now the old comp is getting more useful.03:09
vizzyi'm in the garden, crosscompiling software for my mobile , hehehehe03:09
FIQ|n900I always03:09
vizzywill be the answer to my wife when she asks the next time why im hanging around there for days03:10
FIQ|n900For some time, I used to use my computer more than my phone, when on my phone :p03:10
FIQ|n900by ssh/etc03:10
FIQ|n900irssi, emacs, whatnot03:11
FIQ|n900and only used N900 for browsing the web03:11
* merlin1991 wonders when microb is superior to $browser on a desktop03:11
merlin1991or do oyu mean you always connected from the phone to your pc via ssh?03:11
FIQ|n900because of it being no decent terminal browsers at all :(03:11
FIQ|n900used VNC as well if I really needed03:12
FIQ|n900"really needed" aka wanted to play a game not available on N90003:13
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vizzycompiled, tinc-vpn up and running on n900!04:42
vizzythis is f... awesome04:42
merlin1991vizzy:  :)04:43
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vizzyfor me, as a non-dev and n900 beginner this is like a small revolution04:43
vizzyand finally it works like expected.04:49
vizzyi cant believe! this makes me happy now :))04:50
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I guess you know this one, I've got a fully working n900 and a semi working one here, the perfectly fine device has the us keyboard, can I just replace it with the german keyboard from the other device or are there more steps involved?05:12
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DocScrutinizer51I suggest you replace it with my perfectly finde gderman keymat, and I gedt the us kbd :)05:23
DocScrutinizer51and yes, it's pretty easy05:24
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: we can exchange a german vs english keymat, no problem ;)05:26
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DocScrutinizer51pm your addr05:39
DocScrutinizer51to DocScrutinizer05:39
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Maceratt's lte is like 2x better than tmob 4G10:22
Macerno lag... perfect connection... it's amazing10:22
ShadowJKis "tmob 4g" hspa?10:23
Macerit sucks10:23
Macercuts in and out... crap speeds10:23
Macerand i mean it cut in and out before my sim reader messed up ;)10:24
Maceron my n90010:24
Maceri thought it was the n900 but the G2 had the same problem..... the att lte is like being home on my cable modem heh10:24
Macerand the lumia 900 is surprisingly good10:25
DocScrutinizerwell, seems the term "4G" got abused to oblivion10:25
ShadowJKWell hspa will have a variable latency between 40 and 40000ms ;)10:25
DocScrutinizerlike "HiFi"10:25
Maceri am sure i was hitting the 40000 mark a lot10:25
Macerhifi lol10:25
Macerwell.. att lte does what it says it does10:26
Macerit really is fast.. .hopefully some day they get rid of this 5GB limit crap10:26
Maceror at least bump it up a bit10:26
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ShadowJKThere's a trick that can make hspa run in "fast mode" all the time. The specifics varies between operator though, and it consumes enormous amounts of power :)10:28
DocScrutinizerping -f ?10:29
ShadowJKping -s x -i y10:29
timophX-Fade: was there a date for the more techical obs meeting already?10:30
ShadowJKthere's a wiki with the x and y for .fi operators10:30
dm8tbrit locks the power state of the WCDMA state machine10:30
ShadowJKalso, the x and y to trigger slow-fast transition are bigger than the x, y that will maintain fast :P10:30
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Maceron a great day.. with no sunspots.... no cosmic rays.. earth's magnetic field at its best doing what it can to protect the planet from interference10:34
DocScrutinizerwell, that's quite normal for HSPA10:34
Macertmobile would give me 150K/s10:34
MacerDocScrutinizer: i've never seen it with tmob10:35
dm8tbrit depends on what specification your NodeB supports10:35
* RST38h moos, sacrifices a hamster10:36
Macertoo bad the n900 can't use att lte ;)10:36
Macerdoesn't matter anyways.. my sim would keep turning off :(10:36
Macerpoor n90010:36
PaliDocScrutinizer, I pushed fixed version of updatedb to extras-devel10:36
PaliI belive it will work now10:36
DocScrutinizerwell, it works for me10:37
Macerchem|st: you really want this n900?10:38
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Maceri find it odd that att still uses mycingular10:39
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Macerwell.. if someone actually wants this n900 it's theirs for $50 (plus shipping and levies)10:42
Macerthe sim card reader is failing tho10:42
Macerone of you guys might be able to fix it but i think it's time to move on from maemo ;)10:42
SpeedEvilMacer: :/10:43
SpeedEvilMacer: I wish I had a compelling argument why that was a bad idea.10:44
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Macerhahaha... well.. after 2 n900s both with strange problems like usb ports falling off and sim readers dying10:44
Maceri think i'll take my changes with other hardware .. and this lumia 900 seems rather awesome10:44
Macerkind of surprised at the windows phone 7.5 being so good ... although i do hate the ios method of push requests and background task killing10:45
Macernot to mention there is no gtalk integration :(10:45
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chem|stMacer: not really, my sister wants an awesome phone and is now thinking about n911:06
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teotwakithen get a free n9 from Nokia11:07
teotwakior a free n950.11:07
teotwakiI think I've never seen so many replies to a single thread on the maemo mailing lists so quickly, in the last year.11:07
harbaumhow does one get a free n9?11:08
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teotwakiyou promise to mister gil that you'll dev awesome apps11:10
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timophharbaum: no so different from getting a free beer11:10
* timoph missread11:11
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timophread you said "how does it feel to get.." :)11:12
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harbaumAh, i thought it was some kind of closing out sale11:12
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timophanyway, qgim is arranging a device seeding thing for maemo/meego devs11:13
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* SpeedEvil sighs.11:14
timophthe exact way to get the device is still discussed though.11:15
SpeedEvil(not at all directed at qgim - who I assume is pretty much with me on this)11:15
timophI bet most of people are with you on that here :)11:15
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SpeedEvilI wish I could apply.11:16
SpeedEvilBut, in good concience, I can't.11:16
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timophyeah. I also already have both the devices too so better to let people with them apply11:17
RST38hSpeedEvil: can't do.11:18
RST38hSpeedEvil: Lumia has trouble selling as it is.11:18
SpeedEvilSicelo: Several reasons. Lack of actually doing productive stuff with the n950 - many of the potentially interesting apps I had in mind were precluded by aegis - in addition - lack of time for more or less anything.11:18
SpeedEvilI wrote a couple of wiki page templates, then got stalled.11:19
DocScrutinizerqgim? not qgil?11:19
SpeedEvilI was copying timoph11:20
DocScrutinizeror gquim?11:20
SpeedEvilqgil indeed.11:20
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SpeedEvilAnd as a tertiary problem - the n950 is not quite the n9, so some of the hw stuff I was interested in that might not be precluded by aegis - may not be the same.11:22
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timophyeah. a typo11:24
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Sicelolulz.. modest seems to have a limit on the number of characters in an email12:55
chem|stSicelo: how many?12:57
Sicelonot sure, but the latest digest (maemo-community) opened with a that error dialog..13:00
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Sicelo"Maximum number of characters reached"13:01
chem|stSpeedEvil: dumping their ceo would be a start, announcing meego getting another 5 devices a followup... trying the backdoor of the community with another device seed of meego devices is just fail13:02
* ShadowJK ponders if qgil could wave his magic wand and make some more N900s appear13:02
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chem|stShadowJK: n950 as NIT and N9 as SMAPHO flagships for consumers and n900 as developer phone would be awesome13:03
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chem|stor even n960 ~n950 with CIR LTE NFC and all the other fancy stuff developers need to play with13:05
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Sicelocompaing with mutt, modest displayed only 59% of the digest13:07
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DocScrutinizernow that's an epic fail13:08
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: (trying backdoor fail) +113:10
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chem|stShadowJK: for some reason NEW n900s are now sold on ebay again, wondering where they came from...13:19
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ShadowJKor N900i, N900 with upgraded ram and gigahurtz capable omap313:23
DocScrutinizerchem|st: I can't find new ones13:24
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: few days ago for 250eur new13:26
chem|stgone already^^13:26
chem|stI were looking for prize comparison of used ones13:26
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ShadowJKI saw "new" from hongkong on ebay13:27
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DocScrutinizerwhich seems to be a fake as well13:28
r00t|homei recently bought a like-new used n900 for 80eur on ebay... used ones generally sell for 100-20013:28
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vizzyn900i ?14:06
SpeedEvil1GHzish processor, a gigabyte of RAM, and maybe a higher res screen.14:06
vizzyaunt google gives zero results about this14:07
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders about availability of matching spare omap3530 with POP14:07
SpeedEvilI looked for the POP - and was utterly unable to source it14:08
SpeedEvilI seem to remember finding a micron part that was 1GB14:08
SpeedEvil- with no ROM14:08
SpeedEvilI'm not sure that would boot14:08
SpeedEvilOr would it require 'coldflash' to boot every time?14:08
SpeedEvil- and SD14:08
DocScrutinizer51I'd actually dare the rework, just for awesomness and shits'n'giggles14:09
SpeedEvilMe too.14:09
SpeedEvilI'd want a couple of spares to practice on.14:09
SpeedEvilBut POP'd broken stuff is easy to find14:09
DocScrutinizer51aiui ROMBL looks for xloader on uSD14:10
vizzyn900i, imaginary, however, i cant find any infos about that14:10
SpeedEvilyeah - but by default, in the actual configuration as shipped14:10
vizzyif it exists, i want it :D14:10
SpeedEvilvizzy: err - it doesn't exist.14:10
SpeedEvilThat's why it's imaginary14:10
vizzyah oh14:10
vizzyi see :))14:10
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vizzythis morning i thought about an april fool, but 1st april is over, otherwise i would design and render a n901 , hehehe14:11
vizzyor n900i14:11
vizzyi will do next year, hehehehe14:11
DocScrutinizer51alas as jacekowski pointed at it would need a special xloader to make it boot from uSD14:11
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DocScrutinizer51and this needs signature14:12
DocScrutinizer51so no flash is a nogo for POP14:13
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lardmanBetter to wait for an Android device and port over I'd imagine14:16
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lardmanthough I've not seen any devices with a kb for a while14:16
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lardman"port over" -> port Maemo over that is, to clarify14:19
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chem|stlardman: n950 available in shops would help...14:21
lardmanN950 isn't all that cutting edge though14:21
lardmanNFC would be good14:21
lardmanplus a faster processor14:21
chem|stn9 with kbd^^14:21
lardmanYep, that would work for me14:22
lardmanunfortunately kb seems to be on the out for phones14:22
lardmanand indeed for all personal computing devices (e.g. tablets)14:22
chem|stwell, n900 is the last NIT available in shops... I consider n9 to be a dump smartphone14:23
lardmanI'm currently more keen on a dumb phone + a smart tablet, would be good if Nokia went back to their small scale internet tablet ways14:24
bindidumb and smart cancel eachother out!14:24
chem|stwell actually dump14:24
bindiYou consider the n9 to be a phone! amazing :D14:24
chem|stand dumb14:24
lardmanbindi: it's that bad? I've never seen/used one14:24
bindihuh, it's chem|st's opinion and not mine14:24
bindijust making witty comments here14:25
lardmanah sorry, more caffeine needed ;)14:25
chem|stlardman: no you are right the "!" shows to be a statement14:25
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chem|stI need to win the lottery at 40Meur and start my own branch14:27
chem|stcrowd funding would be another idea...14:30
lardmanyeah, like that pebble watch14:31
lardmanthough I'm not sure how much demand there is, other than from other hackers14:31
vizzylardman, take a look at the openpandora project14:33
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lardmanvizzy: do they have a new device in the offing?14:33
lardmanlooks like it's still the same old one, ~same spec as the N90014:34
lardmanI was actually on the preorder list, but gave up in the end, only 2-odd years after delivery was initially scheduled ;)14:35
vizzylardman, same here14:36
vizzyi canceled it, and there was another project, from always innovative from france, but they stopped developing and sold everything to big companies....14:37
lardmanI see they are moving production elsewhere, as it's now rather old hw they could do with an upgrade14:37
vizzyi gues sthey get paid for not releasing it :))14:37
vizzylardman, yes, but thats the way to make own hardware. i wish there would be more such projects14:37
* lardman thinks Android tablet with e.g. Mer ported is the way forward14:37
vizzylets win in the lottery!14:37
* lardman heads to a meeting, back in a while14:37
chem|stlets hack the lottery... make those marbles robotic....14:38
* lardman happens to have some small servo motors.....14:44
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* lardman ponders the incompatibility of (running code that looks nice on) all these front ends - Hildon, Nemo/Meego, N9x0, Plasma14:46
lardmanor indeed running code at all, depending on how old the platform is14:47
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Macergo with plasma14:50
Macerit's the only one that has hope14:50
Maceri have to get back to figuring out how to get mer/plasma on my transformer14:50
lardmanAssuming KDE can produce some touch friendly apps, last time I ran KDE (Ubuntu) on my Galaxy Tab is was awful, very hard to do anything at all14:50
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Maceri'm sure but14:51
lardmanMacer: the first transformer or the prime?14:51
Maceri thought active was the cure to that14:51
Macerthe first one14:51
lardmanwell perhaps, I've not run it on anything yet14:51
Macerso far i really haven't done much other than figure out how to use the flashing program14:51
lardmanthat should be quite straight forward, there are tegra2 images floating about, just needs some tweaking then I'd imagine14:52
Macerthere are? :) well.. i honestly don't even know where to start14:52
lardmanhang on a tick14:53
Macerlike i said so far all i did was mess with the flasher a bit14:53
lardmangot to start somewhere ;)14:53
Macernto to mention asus has an awful bug in their ics kernel14:53
lardmanwhat's the bug?14:54
Macersomething gets messed up when it tries to wake up from sleep14:54
Macermakes the kernel panic14:54
Macerthen stays stuck at the splash screen with the circle14:54
Macerafter the "persistent perfection" screen lol14:54
lardmanah right, try lilstevie's kernel git repo, he was working on the transformer14:54
Maceri thought that was ironic14:54
Maceryeah i heard.. i still haven't even rooted this thing yet tho14:55
lardmanHe may have put up some instructions, though he was usually too keen on doing the hacking to do much writing down of stuff ;)14:55
lardman(sorry lilstevie! :))14:55
lardmanthat link doesn't have any kernels though, so you'll need to dig one up somewhere, probably roll your own from the released kernel source, changing the root (?) option on the kernel cmdline to point to the uSD slot14:56
lardmanthe link has the images that you place on a uSD card and then off you go14:57
lardmantouching wood firmly ;)14:57
lardmanTegra2 solves the driver problems, which is good, but there are probably outstanding issues - no modem and gps I imagine as they are usually linked14:58
Maceri don't have a modem transformer14:58
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* lardman wonders whether to spend the time messing about with this kernel driver or just buy a tablet which has working opengl14:58
Macerso that's not a big deal.. plus the modem and gps are always screwed14:58
lardmanMacer: that's probably good news14:58
Maceri'm sure the cams probably don't work either :-P14:58
Macerit's the n900 all over again lol14:58
lardmanwould be nice to be able to use the gps (and modem if present), otherwise it's not that useful once you[ve got it all workjing14:59
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Maceryeah sure wouldn't be14:59
Macerbut they are usually very protective of that modem :)14:59
Macerthey don't want people phreaking phone calls old school style14:59
* RST38h moos at lardman14:59
jonwilwhat device are we talking about here?15:00
lardmanyeah, though you only need to talk to it using e.g. AT commands, or at least I'd hope that would be the way it works in the end15:00
RST38hlardman: how are things? porting meego/maemo/etc to something?15:00
lardmanRST38h: thinking about getting back to the Samsung Galaxy Tab port - lost impetus when Meego went TU15:00
lardmanhold those thoughts, bbiab, have to go and show someone how to C-scan15:01
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RST38hlardman: goood idea15:01
Macerwell this lumia phone is intereting15:03
Maceralthough like an iphone you're stuck in MS' zune app :)15:03
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RST38hOrdinary shell landed; continued disgorging mice for three hours. Total number uncounted due to mouse overlap.15:23
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vdvhow can i start scratchbox in maemo sdk?15:33
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vdvfound it15:35
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[DarkGUNMAN]Quick question - is it possible to check if a process is trying to access network/internet?15:57
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[DarkGUNMAN]After 8am my N900 tries to connect to any service it can find15:58
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fluxI suppose that would appear as dbus activity, simply trying to send a packet won't try to open a connection16:02
fluxso, dbus-monitor16:02
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lardmanhi SpeedEvil16:31
lardman[DarkGUNMAN]: not sure as the network access is done through the closed Nokia libs16:32
lardmanbut perhaps someone will pipe up16:33
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jonwil[DarkGUNMAN] are you talking about cellular data or about WiFi or about connectivity in general?16:59
[DarkGUNMAN]Any connection17:00
[DarkGUNMAN]I have it set to prompt me which connection to use17:00
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[DarkGUNMAN]So for a good while, it pops up every few minutes asking for a wifi or cellular connection17:01
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jonwilThe most likely thing is that some component (no clue what) would be asking the internet connectivity daemon (ICD) to connect. And that request is done over dbus.17:02
jonwilThats my best guess of whats happening17:02
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jonwilThe best way to find out more would be to use dbus-monitor to monitor all the dbus traffic at the time the requests are happening17:03
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[DarkGUNMAN]Thank you all for your answers, it has been very helpful17:04
[DarkGUNMAN]I'll run dbus-monitor tomorrow morning17:04
[DarkGUNMAN]When it's likely to happen again17:04
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Macerwin phone dodsnt let 3rd party apps run in the background like ios18:25
Macerthat sucks18:25
Siceloyou didn't know?18:25
Macerwell. have to give maemo +1 on that one18:26
Macerheh. no but it isnt a dealbreaker18:26
Macerit only affected me with ssh18:26
Macerbut that is what tmux is for18:26
Macerjust set up tmux to detatch/attach in bashrc18:27
Macerthe est of the stuff i can deal without. as long as my gtalk works18:27
Sicelogood luck :)18:28
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Siceloi think i'd rather 'suffer' with an N9 instead, should my N900 die, and should I fail to get another one in good condition :)18:29
Macerwell.. my n900 broke18:30
Macerbut it's not too bad.. like i said... ssh was the only one driving me nuts18:30
Macerbut just reconnecting with tmux automatically reattaching solved that problem18:30
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Maceri just wanted to make sure that would work before i actually paid for the ssh app.. since there doesn't seem to be a free one unfortunately18:31
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Macerkitty for winphone 7.5? :)18:31
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kerioSicelo: when my N900 finally dies, i'll just buy another18:33
Sicelowhat is "another"?18:34
kerioanother n900, that is18:35
Sicelosame here.. but if i really cant find one ... <quote>should my N900 die, and should I fail to get another one in good condition</quote>18:36
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Macerthis win phone ssh ient is actually pretty good once you get used to it18:44
Macerstill working on the kb18:44
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Vampir3i install maemo SDK in fedora, first tume its run, but after first time always i see a black screen18:58
Vampir3can anyone help me? :-?18:59
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Vampir3no one? :-(19:04
mgedminwhen I hear "maemo SDK", I think 'scratchbox'19:04
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mgedminand it's all terminal apps19:04
mgedminhow can a terminal app cause a black screen?19:04
Vampir3it run with this code : Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac &19:05
Vampir3after first time i run this19:05
Vampir3For the first time, it gives me a peek at the Nokia applications. It  showcases the complete UI framework19:06
* mgedmin never used the Xephyr GUI bits19:06
Vampir3but after that19:06
Vampir3what can i do?19:07
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* lardman curses pci19:30
lardmandoes one need to pause after writing into a PCI card's address space, e.g. to let the card perform whatever action you want19:36
lardmanslightly OT I realise19:36
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ruskie <-- hmm20:02
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* mgedmin read that as 'nokia lorem ipsum court case' and assumed some IP troll managed to copyright the lorem ipsum text20:06
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DocScrutinizer51lardman: wait with *what*?20:11
lardmandunno, busy loop20:12
DocScrutinizer51with next r/w to same PCI card: quite possibly. If there's not a status register to read out any time and poll for end of prev transaction20:12
Macerstill customizing this ssh client20:12
Macergetting there tho :)20:13
lardmanDocScrutinizer51: I'm actually having troubles writing to the status register, which gives status when read and should switch power on when written to20:13
DocScrutinizer51lardman: not BY what, WITH what20:13
lardmanno errors, etc., but no power either20:13
lardmancomedi kernel driver20:13
DocScrutinizer51power-up will for sure need $random time to complete20:14
lardmanI'm wondering if the card generates an error if I try to write a value to one of the output addresses before it's had time to power up20:15
lardmanthough I don't get error codes, and I don't get a powered up status either20:16
lardmanvery odd20:16
DocScrutinizer51I guess a propeer DataSheet will tell sth along 'read status until power-good bit set'20:16
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lardmanyeah this is not quite proper, just a Word doc20:16
DocScrutinizer51nfc if PCI supports power on/off anyway20:17
lardmanah no this is power on/off of the output the card produces20:18
lardmanso it should just be a simple operation that one would carry out by writing to some memory offset20:18
lardmanit's a high voltage DAC card20:18
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lardmanOn another tack, is the GPS chipset in the N950 the same as that in the N9?20:22
DocScrutinizer51so yes, this will take some time to establish20:22
lardmannm Doc, I'll email the company and ask some more questions, or decompile their Windows dll20:22
DocScrutinizer51lardman: GPS: I dunno offhand, will look up when at home20:23
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lardmanCool thanks, will head online when I get back20:23
lardmanspeaking of which, far to late to be at work on a Friday afternoon, catch you all later20:23
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DocScrutinizer51but why would you wanna know? the chip in N900 isn't directly accessable20:23
lardman|goneNot N90020:24
DocScrutinizer51aaah, sorry20:24
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lardman|goneThe Samsung Galaxy Player has a Broadcom bcm4751 which is apparently the same as the N9, I was just curious about the N950.20:24
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DocScrutinizer51I'd assume it's same20:25
lardman|goneI'm ever hopeful I can use the N9 firmware and kernel driver to drive the chip, which would be nice20:25
lardman|gonenot sure if it needs a firmware upload, will need to do some research on how they work20:25
DocScrutinizer51the kernel driver probably I2C plain vanilla20:26
lardman|goneI seem to remember it implemented a protocol over the link20:26
DocScrutinizer51rest done in a lib blob20:26
lardman|gonebut the other end of that is probably closed20:26
lardman|goneah well, something to think about while I drive home20:26
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Macermy su8w wont work with this damn windows phone20:31
Macerpasting wont work either. i need to figure that out20:32
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MacerDocScrutinizer: to this day.... my n95 was the only thing it ever worked with years ago :)21:00
Maceri managed to get it to work well with my n900 but not all the buttons worked21:00
Maceri never did figure out how to map the special keys on it21:00
Macerlike the email key to open the email app21:00
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kaizerslawtenHELLO GUYS , I'M BRAZILIAN :d21:02
Sicelonice, heh21:03
kaizerslawtenI'M USER OF ALTERNATIVE OS MER21:05
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Sicelohmm, can someone please see if they have this line in their /etc/sudoers22:13
Sicelouser ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL22:13
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esaym153is there any native unionfs on the n810?23:15
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SpeedEvil - all-time low today - 3.6923:21
SpeedEvilLast at this price in Jan 97.23:22
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: for sure not23:26
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RzRSpeedEvil, this pretty high if you compare it ,to let say ... next year... or next week23:28
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* SpeedEvil googles 'how to short stock'23:29
* RST38h reads it as "how to snort stock", ponders23:29
SpeedEvil1) Take OXO cube23:30
DocScrutinizerwow a snort shock23:30
SiceloDocScrutinizer: thanks. /me heads to see where that comes from.. that's possibly why forcing `root` to request password doesn't work, even though it worked a long while ago23:31
* RST38h lost cell data connectivity today for some reason23:32
RST38hAnyone experienced similar problem?23:32
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SpeedEvilRST38h: n9?23:32
RST38hIt is back up though23:33
RST38hDunno wth was wrong, even tried rebooting twice. Maybe it was simply low on battery.23:34
SiceloDocScrutinizer: you have Easy Debian by any chance?23:35
SpeedEvilLook at syslog23:35
SpeedEvilor dmesg23:35
SpeedEvilsee if you have SIM error23:36
RST38hno voice calls work23:36
SpeedEvilIt did that once here too23:36
SpeedEvilcould also be problems at the cell side23:36
SpeedEvilAnother option is to toggle airplane mode23:37
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DocScrutinizerBTS fsckdup23:44
DocScrutinizernot really that uncommon23:45
DocScrutinizeror yu got the simfuckus23:45
DocScrutinizerlike macer 3 days ago23:46
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DocScrutinizerscientific name fuckupus cmtus23:47
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: btw low battery is a perfect explanation though, the cmt will fail way earlier then SoC23:49
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