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| merlin1991 | vizzy: prefered install method is manual anyway | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | the sdk installer is known to go foobar | 01:45 |
| vizzy | merlin1991, yes, seems so | 01:45 |
| vizzy | i tried a few days long on a lenny box, again and again. then i mentioned that the most important information is at bottom of the wiki page, the manual install | 01:46 |
| vizzy | i switched to a lenny virtualbox session and all went fine | 01:46 |
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| vizzy | now i set up a squeeze box on an old pentium 700 laptop ..... still installing | 01:47 |
| merlin1991 | btw if you already have a setup you can shortcut the procedure | 01:48 |
| vizzy | how? | 01:48 |
| merlin1991 | install the scratchbox packages only | 01:48 |
| merlin1991 | run the unmount command on your original install | 01:48 |
| merlin1991 | and scp the maemo targets over | 01:49 |
| vizzy | problem on the p800 is, its outside in the garden, connected to internet via gprs and accessible through vpn only... which is really slow, hehe | 01:49 |
| merlin1991 | get it in? :D | 01:49 |
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| vizzy | so i attach to a screen session every few hours and see if it still downloads | 01:50 |
| vizzy | merlin1991, no, i cant, its used as a weatherstation, i just hijacked it... hehe | 01:50 |
| merlin1991 | lol | 01:50 |
| merlin1991 | get a cable out there? | 01:50 |
| vizzy | no way, its 5km from here, hehe | 01:51 |
| merlin1991 | ah okay xD | 01:51 |
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| merlin1991 | btw you can also add harmattan targets ;) | 01:51 |
| vizzy | harmattan? | 01:51 |
| vizzy | something like hathor? *g | 01:51 |
| merlin1991 | as in maemo6 (n9) | 01:51 |
| vizzy | ah | 01:51 |
| vizzy | my intention is to compile tincd vpn for the n900 | 01:52 |
| merlin1991 | ah :D | 01:52 |
| merlin1991 | I've got a setup here with harmattan, and 2 seperate maemo targets xD | 01:52 |
| vizzy | so, if i got it installed, i still need to know where to start | 01:52 |
| merlin1991 | /scratchbox/login | 01:52 |
| merlin1991 | and compile | 01:52 |
| merlin1991 | ;) | 01:52 |
| vizzy | is it like ...erm... on a normal linux box, set up source, configure, compile static, make a tgz and it will run on the n900 ? | 01:53 |
| vizzy | ah ok :) | 01:53 |
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| vizzy | i did lfs a long time, and updated a rh7 box for 10 years from sources but never crosscompiled anything | 01:53 |
| merlin1991 | and you only have to compile static what isn't in the n900 (or deploy the libraries) | 01:53 |
| merlin1991 | scratchbox does all the work for you | 01:54 |
| vizzy | merlin1991, thats the question, tincd would be depending on some libs, like at least libopenssl | 01:54 |
| merlin1991 | btw you can install package into the scratchbox (when you're logged in) | 01:54 |
| vizzy | its a very small vpn tool, but great, runs on my openwrt wifi-3g router | 01:54 |
| vizzy | hmm, i never did a deb package before | 01:55 |
| merlin1991 | so libs that aren't on device but in extras can be used aswell inside scratchbox | 01:55 |
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| merlin1991 | hm I wonder if libopenssl is in there: http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssl/ | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | because that would be avaiable inside scratchbox from the beginning | 01:56 |
| vizzy | is there a good howto on how to make packages for the n900 from a non debian source package? | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | you can just run make / configure inside scratchbox | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | and copy the resulting binary | 01:57 |
| vizzy | ok | 01:57 |
| merlin1991 | or you can go the long way and properly debianize the source | 01:57 |
| vizzy | i know how to do that :)) | 01:57 |
| merlin1991 | (which in the end would call configure and make anyway) | 01:57 |
| vizzy | oh no please no debianizing | 01:57 |
| vizzy | thats a long way | 01:57 |
| merlin1991 | nah it's 1 command and a lil bit of config editing | 01:57 |
| vizzy | i read through the docu mentioned at the end of the maemo sdk howto, but it dont gets clear to me | 01:58 |
| vizzy | hmm | 01:58 |
| vizzy | merlin1991, i'll come up with that if its compiled | 01:58 |
| vizzy | but, hmm, there is a deb src package for tinc already | 01:58 |
| vizzy | maybe just using that | 01:58 |
| vizzy | should have all deps then | 01:58 |
| vizzy | but im always confused about debianizing things | 01:59 |
| merlin1991 | debhelper was a bitch | 01:59 |
| merlin1991 | and sadly the maemo sdk still creates the old confusing rules file even though the debhelper inside scratchbox properly builds new packages | 01:59 |
| merlin1991 | s/new/new as in done the new way/ | 02:00 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: and sadly the maemo sdk still creates the old confusing rules file even though the debhelper inside scratchbox properly builds new as in done the new way packages | 02:00 |
| vizzy | ok, so just copy the binary and maybe libs to a proper place | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | if the makefile is in place you often only have to drop the default rules file, write a changelog entry and put a little mumbojumbo into the controls file | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | yeah | 02:01 |
| vizzy | woah, vpn through tcpip and gprs is really slow, its still downloading some packages etc | 02:01 |
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| vizzy | ill fire up my vbox instead. | 02:01 |
| vizzy | merlin1991, so installing e.g. missing libopenssl will work as usual in scratchbox as on my n900? apt-get install something inside scratchbox armel target and then compile? | 02:02 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 02:03 |
| vizzy | i cant elieve, must try it out now :D | 02:03 |
| merlin1991 | and it looks like the debian tinc package depends on libssl | 02:03 |
| merlin1991 | which actually is part of the sdk | 02:03 |
| vizzy | ah cool | 02:03 |
| vizzy | so i ll get a coffee now and start my first contribution to the n900 :D | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | and liblzo and zlib should be there aswell | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | the only problem you might run into using the debian source package is the init script | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | maemo uses "something" | 02:04 |
| vizzy | i may ask you some more question maybe lateron , hehe | 02:04 |
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| vizzy | yeah, tinc is best started in an xterm i guess | 02:05 |
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| vizzy | i didnt find out yet, and did not dig into it very much, how maemo starts apps at boottime | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | upstart | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | and I have nfc how to write upstart init scripts xD | 02:06 |
| vizzy | nfc? | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | no fucking clue | 02:08 |
| merlin1991 | even though that near field commusomething seems to be the stuff cool kids do nowadays we still use nfc with the old meaning in here :D | 02:09 |
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| ThreeM | hrhr | 02:10 |
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| ThreeM | bäh have to update all openssl installations on my machines :/ | 02:12 |
| ThreeM | again | 02:13 |
| ThreeM | damn bugs | 02:13 |
| vizzy | merlin1991, like ftw :)) | 02:14 |
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| merlin1991 | ThreeM: scared of the newly detected attack vectors? | 02:15 |
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| ThreeM | im not, my boss are scared :) | 02:16 |
| ThreeM | i have better things to do instead of updating debian machines at 01:16 | 02:16 |
| ThreeM | http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2012-April/086585.html | 02:18 |
| merlin1991 | yeah I was refering to that | 02:18 |
| ThreeM | i must block these in the firewall, so my boss could check new issues ;) | 02:18 |
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| merlin1991 | now I need some paper so I can start playing legend of grimrock | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | Oldschool mode ftw | 02:19 |
| ThreeM | but i think its hard to do a exploit on that remoty | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | depends | 02:19 |
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| merlin1991 | I think you could attack openvpn servers | 02:19 |
| ThreeM | maybe | 02:19 |
| ThreeM | but im happy that this is no certificate issue :) | 02:20 |
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| vizzy | ouch, hehe, cannot finish sdk install on vbox, disk full *gg | 02:23 |
| vizzy | is it save to unmount / stop scratchbox and move the directory to e.g. /home/scratchbox and make a symlink on / ? | 02:23 |
| vizzy | but i guess a fresh install is faster than moving 100k+ files in a vm :)) | 02:24 |
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| merlin1991 | vizzy: I even have a different mount on /scratchbox in order to have enough space :D | 02:27 |
| merlin1991 | fu legends of grimrock | 02:29 |
| merlin1991 | 10 mins into the game and I'm reaching the top end of my paper | 02:29 |
| ThreeM | hrhr | 02:29 |
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| ThreeM | "Auto"-Mapping? | 02:30 |
| merlin1991 | disabled | 02:30 |
| merlin1991 | on purpose | 02:30 |
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| merlin1991 | oldschool mode :D | 02:30 |
| ThreeM | hehe | 02:32 |
| ThreeM | maybe i have to look into the game, but im busy with Skyrim | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | Skyrim is so bad, the eldar scrolls series had way better gayms | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | *games* | 02:33 |
| ThreeM | hmm i like it | 02:33 |
| ThreeM | but its true, its more action based then the other elder scrools games | 02:34 |
| vizzy | merlin1991, yeah, ill set up a new vhdd and mount it under /scratchbox and move files | 02:34 |
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| vizzy | awesome! i compiled tinc. and it runs | 03:02 |
| vizzy | or at leats i can use the command to etc generate vpn keys | 03:02 |
| vizzy | but how is that possible? is scratchbox something like an arm emulator? | 03:02 |
| vizzy | does it use qemu or something like that in the background? | 03:02 |
| merlin1991 | when you are in the arm target of scratchbox is uses qemu in the background and tells gcc to build for arm | 03:04 |
| merlin1991 | and does other black magic via all kinds of tricks | 03:04 |
| vizzy | cool | 03:06 |
| vizzy | i just womdered and tested to run the armel compiled inary, and it runs.... or at least does not segfault :)) | 03:07 |
| vizzy | merlin1991, thx a lot | 03:07 |
| vizzy | ill try it now on the n900 , hehe | 03:07 |
| merlin1991 | just take care that you're actually in the armel scratchbox target | 03:08 |
| vizzy | yepp | 03:08 |
| vizzy | i did all that on the hijacked weatherstation, haha through a tinc vpn, thats funny. now the old comp is getting more useful. | 03:09 |
| vizzy | i'm in the garden, crosscompiling software for my mobile , hehehehe | 03:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | I always | 03:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | ... | 03:10 |
| vizzy | will be the answer to my wife when she asks the next time why im hanging around there for days | 03:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | For some time, I used to use my computer more than my phone, when on my phone :p | 03:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | by ssh/etc | 03:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | irssi, emacs, whatnot | 03:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | and only used N900 for browsing the web | 03:11 |
| * merlin1991 wonders when microb is superior to $browser on a desktop | 03:11 | |
| merlin1991 | or do oyu mean you always connected from the phone to your pc via ssh? | 03:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | because of it being no decent terminal browsers at all :( | 03:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | yeah | 03:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | used VNC as well if I really needed | 03:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | "really needed" aka wanted to play a game not available on N900 | 03:13 |
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| vizzy | wooot | 04:42 |
| vizzy | compiled, tinc-vpn up and running on n900! | 04:42 |
| vizzy | this is f... awesome | 04:42 |
| merlin1991 | vizzy: :) | 04:43 |
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| vizzy | for me, as a non-dev and n900 beginner this is like a small revolution | 04:43 |
| vizzy | woot | 04:49 |
| vizzy | and finally it works like expected. | 04:49 |
| vizzy | i cant believe! this makes me happy now :)) | 04:50 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I guess you know this one, I've got a fully working n900 and a semi working one here, the perfectly fine device has the us keyboard, can I just replace it with the german keyboard from the other device or are there more steps involved? | 05:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I suggest you replace it with my perfectly finde gderman keymat, and I gedt the us kbd :) | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and yes, it's pretty easy | 05:24 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: we can exchange a german vs english keymat, no problem ;) | 05:26 |
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| Macer | wow | 10:22 |
| Macer | att's lte is like 2x better than tmob 4G | 10:22 |
| Macer | no lag... perfect connection... it's amazing | 10:22 |
| ShadowJK | is "tmob 4g" hspa? | 10:23 |
| Macer | yes | 10:23 |
| Macer | it sucks | 10:23 |
| Macer | cuts in and out... crap speeds | 10:23 |
| Macer | and i mean it cut in and out before my sim reader messed up ;) | 10:24 |
| Macer | on my n900 | 10:24 |
| Macer | i thought it was the n900 but the G2 had the same problem..... the att lte is like being home on my cable modem heh | 10:24 |
| Macer | and the lumia 900 is surprisingly good | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, seems the term "4G" got abused to oblivion | 10:25 |
| ShadowJK | Well hspa will have a variable latency between 40 and 40000ms ;) | 10:25 |
| Macer | lol | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | like "HiFi" | 10:25 |
| Macer | i am sure i was hitting the 40000 mark a lot | 10:25 |
| Macer | hifi lol | 10:25 |
| Macer | well.. att lte does what it says it does | 10:26 |
| Macer | it really is fast.. .hopefully some day they get rid of this 5GB limit crap | 10:26 |
| Macer | or at least bump it up a bit | 10:26 |
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| ShadowJK | There's a trick that can make hspa run in "fast mode" all the time. The specifics varies between operator though, and it consumes enormous amounts of power :) | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ping -f ? | 10:29 |
| ShadowJK | ping -s x -i y | 10:29 |
| dm8tbr | yup | 10:29 |
| timoph | X-Fade: was there a date for the more techical obs meeting already? | 10:30 |
| ShadowJK | there's a wiki with the x and y for .fi operators | 10:30 |
| dm8tbr | it locks the power state of the WCDMA state machine | 10:30 |
| ShadowJK | also, the x and y to trigger slow-fast transition are bigger than the x, y that will maintain fast :P | 10:30 |
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| Macer | zomg | 10:33 |
| Macer | 400KB/s | 10:33 |
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| Macer | on a great day.. with no sunspots.... no cosmic rays.. earth's magnetic field at its best doing what it can to protect the planet from interference | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's quite normal for HSPA | 10:34 |
| Macer | tmobile would give me 150K/s | 10:34 |
| Macer | lol | 10:34 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i've never seen it with tmob | 10:35 |
| dm8tbr | it depends on what specification your NodeB supports | 10:35 |
| * RST38h moos, sacrifices a hamster | 10:36 | |
| Macer | too bad the n900 can't use att lte ;) | 10:36 |
| Macer | doesn't matter anyways.. my sim would keep turning off :( | 10:36 |
| Macer | poor n900 | 10:36 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, I pushed fixed version of updatedb to extras-devel | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 10:36 |
| Pali | I belive it will work now | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it works for me | 10:37 |
| Pali | ok | 10:37 |
| Macer | chem|st: you really want this n900? | 10:38 |
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| Macer | i find it odd that att still uses mycingular | 10:39 |
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| Macer | mycingular.net | 10:40 |
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| Macer | well.. if someone actually wants this n900 it's theirs for $50 (plus shipping and levies) | 10:42 |
| Macer | the sim card reader is failing tho | 10:42 |
| Macer | one of you guys might be able to fix it but i think it's time to move on from maemo ;) | 10:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: :/ | 10:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: I wish I had a compelling argument why that was a bad idea. | 10:44 |
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| Macer | hahaha... well.. after 2 n900s both with strange problems like usb ports falling off and sim readers dying | 10:44 |
| Macer | i think i'll take my changes with other hardware .. and this lumia 900 seems rather awesome | 10:44 |
| Macer | kind of surprised at the windows phone 7.5 being so good ... although i do hate the ios method of push requests and background task killing | 10:45 |
| Macer | not to mention there is no gtalk integration :( | 10:45 |
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| chem|st | Macer: not really, my sister wants an awesome phone and is now thinking about n9 | 11:06 |
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| teotwaki | then get a free n9 from Nokia | 11:07 |
| teotwaki | or a free n950. | 11:07 |
| teotwaki | I think I've never seen so many replies to a single thread on the maemo mailing lists so quickly, in the last year. | 11:07 |
| harbaum | how does one get a free n9? | 11:08 |
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| teotwaki | you promise to mister gil that you'll dev awesome apps | 11:10 |
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| timoph | harbaum: no so different from getting a free beer | 11:10 |
| * timoph missread | 11:11 | |
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| timoph | read you said "how does it feel to get.." :) | 11:12 |
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| harbaum | Ah, i thought it was some kind of closing out sale | 11:12 |
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| timoph | anyway, qgim is arranging a device seeding thing for maemo/meego devs | 11:13 |
| timoph | see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-April/005134.html | 11:13 |
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| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 11:14 | |
| SpeedEvil | JUST SELL THE FUCKING THINGS TO MOST MARKETS. | 11:15 |
| timoph | the exact way to get the device is still discussed though. | 11:15 |
| SpeedEvil | (not at all directed at qgim - who I assume is pretty much with me on this) | 11:15 |
| timoph | I bet most of people are with you on that here :) | 11:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wish I could apply. | 11:16 |
| SpeedEvil | But, in good concience, I can't. | 11:16 |
| Sicelo | reason? | 11:17 |
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| timoph | yeah. I also already have both the devices too so better to let people with them apply | 11:17 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: can't do. | 11:18 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Lumia has trouble selling as it is. | 11:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Sicelo: Several reasons. Lack of actually doing productive stuff with the n950 - many of the potentially interesting apps I had in mind were precluded by aegis - in addition - lack of time for more or less anything. | 11:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I wrote a couple of wiki page templates, then got stalled. | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | qgim? not qgil? | 11:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I was copying timoph | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or gquim? | 11:20 |
| SpeedEvil | qgil indeed. | 11:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | And as a tertiary problem - the n950 is not quite the n9, so some of the hw stuff I was interested in that might not be precluded by aegis - may not be the same. | 11:22 |
| RST38h | gvim | 11:23 |
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| timoph | yeah. a typo | 11:24 |
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| Sicelo | lulz.. modest seems to have a limit on the number of characters in an email | 12:55 |
| chem|st | Sicelo: how many? | 12:57 |
| Sicelo | not sure, but the latest digest (maemo-community) opened with a that error dialog.. | 13:00 |
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| Sicelo | "Maximum number of characters reached" | 13:01 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: dumping their ceo would be a start, announcing meego getting another 5 devices a followup... trying the backdoor of the community with another device seed of meego devices is just fail | 13:02 |
| * ShadowJK ponders if qgil could wave his magic wand and make some more N900s appear | 13:02 | |
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| chem|st | ShadowJK: n950 as NIT and N9 as SMAPHO flagships for consumers and n900 as developer phone would be awesome | 13:03 |
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| chem|st | or even n960 ~n950 with CIR LTE NFC and all the other fancy stuff developers need to play with | 13:05 |
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| Sicelo | compaing with mutt, modest displayed only 59% of the digest | 13:07 |
| Sicelo | *comparing | 13:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's an epic fail | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: (trying backdoor fail) +1 | 13:10 |
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| chem|st | ShadowJK: for some reason NEW n900s are now sold on ebay again, wondering where they came from... | 13:19 |
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| ShadowJK | or N900i, N900 with upgraded ram and gigahurtz capable omap3 | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I can't find new ones | 13:24 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: few days ago for 250eur new | 13:26 |
| chem|st | gone already^^ | 13:26 |
| chem|st | I were looking for prize comparison of used ones | 13:26 |
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| ShadowJK | I saw "new" from hongkong on ebay | 13:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which seems to be a fake as well | 13:28 |
| r00t|home | i recently bought a like-new used n900 for 80eur on ebay... used ones generally sell for 100-200 | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | "refurbished" | 13:28 |
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| vizzy | n900i ? | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | n900-imaginary | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | 1GHzish processor, a gigabyte of RAM, and maybe a higher res screen. | 14:06 |
| vizzy | aunt google gives zero results about this | 14:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wonders about availability of matching spare omap3530 with POP | 14:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | I looked for the POP - and was utterly unable to source it | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I seem to remember finding a micron part that was 1GB | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | - with no ROM | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not sure that would boot | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Or would it require 'coldflash' to boot every time? | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | - and SD | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd actually dare the rework, just for awesomness and shits'n'giggles | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Me too. | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd want a couple of spares to practice on. | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | But POP'd broken stuff is easy to find | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aiui ROMBL looks for xloader on uSD | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ;) | 14:10 |
| vizzy | n900i, imaginary, however, i cant find any infos about that | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - but by default, in the actual configuration as shipped | 14:10 |
| vizzy | if it exists, i want it :D | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | vizzy: err - it doesn't exist. | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | That's why it's imaginary | 14:10 |
| vizzy | ah oh | 14:10 |
| vizzy | i see :)) | 14:10 |
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| vizzy | this morning i thought about an april fool, but 1st april is over, otherwise i would design and render a n901 , hehehe | 14:11 |
| vizzy | or n900i | 14:11 |
| vizzy | i will do next year, hehehehe | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas as jacekowski pointed at it would need a special xloader to make it boot from uSD | 14:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and this needs signature | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so no flash is a nogo for POP | 14:13 |
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| lardman | Better to wait for an Android device and port over I'd imagine | 14:16 |
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| lardman | though I've not seen any devices with a kb for a while | 14:16 |
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| lardman | "port over" -> port Maemo over that is, to clarify | 14:19 |
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| chem|st | lardman: n950 available in shops would help... | 14:21 |
| lardman | N950 isn't all that cutting edge though | 14:21 |
| lardman | NFC would be good | 14:21 |
| lardman | plus a faster processor | 14:21 |
| chem|st | n9 with kbd^^ | 14:21 |
| lardman | Yep, that would work for me | 14:22 |
| lardman | unfortunately kb seems to be on the out for phones | 14:22 |
| lardman | and indeed for all personal computing devices (e.g. tablets) | 14:22 |
| chem|st | well, n900 is the last NIT available in shops... I consider n9 to be a dump smartphone | 14:23 |
| psycho_oreos | +1 | 14:23 |
| r00t|home | "dump"? | 14:24 |
| lardman | I'm currently more keen on a dumb phone + a smart tablet, would be good if Nokia went back to their small scale internet tablet ways | 14:24 |
| chem|st | b | 14:24 |
| bindi | dumb and smart cancel eachother out! | 14:24 |
| chem|st | well actually dump | 14:24 |
| bindi | You consider the n9 to be a phone! amazing :D | 14:24 |
| chem|st | and dumb | 14:24 |
| chem|st | hehe | 14:24 |
| lardman | bindi: it's that bad? I've never seen/used one | 14:24 |
| bindi | huh, it's chem|st's opinion and not mine | 14:24 |
| bindi | just making witty comments here | 14:25 |
| lardman | ah sorry, more caffeine needed ;) | 14:25 |
| chem|st | lardman: no you are right the "!" shows to be a statement | 14:25 |
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| chem|st | I need to win the lottery at 40Meur and start my own branch | 14:27 |
| chem|st | crowd funding would be another idea... | 14:30 |
| lardman | yeah, like that pebble watch | 14:31 |
| lardman | though I'm not sure how much demand there is, other than from other hackers | 14:31 |
| vizzy | lardman, take a look at the openpandora project | 14:33 |
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| lardman | vizzy: do they have a new device in the offing? | 14:33 |
| lardman | looks like it's still the same old one, ~same spec as the N900 | 14:34 |
| lardman | I was actually on the preorder list, but gave up in the end, only 2-odd years after delivery was initially scheduled ;) | 14:35 |
| vizzy | lardman, same here | 14:36 |
| vizzy | i canceled it, and there was another project, from always innovative from france, but they stopped developing and sold everything to big companies.... | 14:37 |
| lardman | I see they are moving production elsewhere, as it's now rather old hw they could do with an upgrade | 14:37 |
| vizzy | i gues sthey get paid for not releasing it :)) | 14:37 |
| lardman | :) | 14:37 |
| vizzy | lardman, yes, but thats the way to make own hardware. i wish there would be more such projects | 14:37 |
| * lardman thinks Android tablet with e.g. Mer ported is the way forward | 14:37 | |
| vizzy | lets win in the lottery! | 14:37 |
| lardman | :) | 14:37 |
| * lardman heads to a meeting, back in a while | 14:37 | |
| vizzy | dito | 14:38 |
| chem|st | lets hack the lottery... make those marbles robotic.... | 14:38 |
| * lardman happens to have some small servo motors..... | 14:44 | |
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| * lardman ponders the incompatibility of (running code that looks nice on) all these front ends - Hildon, Nemo/Meego, N9x0, Plasma | 14:46 | |
| lardman | or indeed running code at all, depending on how old the platform is | 14:47 |
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| Macer | heh | 14:49 |
| Macer | go with plasma | 14:50 |
| Macer | it's the only one that has hope | 14:50 |
| Macer | :) | 14:50 |
| Macer | i have to get back to figuring out how to get mer/plasma on my transformer | 14:50 |
| lardman | Assuming KDE can produce some touch friendly apps, last time I ran KDE (Ubuntu) on my Galaxy Tab is was awful, very hard to do anything at all | 14:50 |
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| Macer | i'm sure but | 14:51 |
| lardman | Macer: the first transformer or the prime? | 14:51 |
| Macer | i thought active was the cure to that | 14:51 |
| Macer | the first one | 14:51 |
| lardman | well perhaps, I've not run it on anything yet | 14:51 |
| Macer | so far i really haven't done much other than figure out how to use the flashing program | 14:51 |
| lardman | that should be quite straight forward, there are tegra2 images floating about, just needs some tweaking then I'd imagine | 14:52 |
| Macer | http://vetus.scientiam.org/2012/02/17/the-removal-of-ad-droid-from-an-asus-transformer-in-progress/ | 14:52 |
| Macer | heh | 14:52 |
| Macer | there are? :) well.. i honestly don't even know where to start | 14:52 |
| lardman | hang on a tick | 14:53 |
| Macer | like i said so far all i did was mess with the flasher a bit | 14:53 |
| lardman | got to start somewhere ;) | 14:53 |
| Macer | heh | 14:53 |
| lardman | http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/tegra2/ | 14:53 |
| Macer | nto to mention asus has an awful bug in their ics kernel | 14:53 |
| lardman | what's the bug? | 14:54 |
| Macer | something gets messed up when it tries to wake up from sleep | 14:54 |
| Macer | makes the kernel panic | 14:54 |
| Macer | reboots | 14:54 |
| Macer | then stays stuck at the splash screen with the circle | 14:54 |
| Macer | after the "persistent perfection" screen lol | 14:54 |
| lardman | ah right, try lilstevie's kernel git repo, he was working on the transformer | 14:54 |
| Macer | i thought that was ironic | 14:54 |
| lardman | lol | 14:54 |
| Macer | yeah i heard.. i still haven't even rooted this thing yet tho | 14:55 |
| lardman | He may have put up some instructions, though he was usually too keen on doing the hacking to do much writing down of stuff ;) | 14:55 |
| lardman | (sorry lilstevie! :)) | 14:55 |
| Macer | lol | 14:56 |
| lardman | that link doesn't have any kernels though, so you'll need to dig one up somewhere, probably roll your own from the released kernel source, changing the root (?) option on the kernel cmdline to point to the uSD slot | 14:56 |
| lardman | the link has the images that you place on a uSD card and then off you go | 14:57 |
| lardman | touching wood firmly ;) | 14:57 |
| Macer | heh | 14:58 |
| lardman | Tegra2 solves the driver problems, which is good, but there are probably outstanding issues - no modem and gps I imagine as they are usually linked | 14:58 |
| Macer | i don't have a modem transformer | 14:58 |
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| * lardman wonders whether to spend the time messing about with this kernel driver or just buy a tablet which has working opengl | 14:58 | |
| Macer | so that's not a big deal.. plus the modem and gps are always screwed | 14:58 |
| lardman | Macer: that's probably good news | 14:58 |
| Macer | i'm sure the cams probably don't work either :-P | 14:58 |
| Macer | it's the n900 all over again lol | 14:58 |
| lardman | would be nice to be able to use the gps (and modem if present), otherwise it's not that useful once you[ve got it all workjing | 14:59 |
| lardman | lol | 14:59 |
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| Macer | yeah sure wouldn't be | 14:59 |
| Macer | but they are usually very protective of that modem :) | 14:59 |
| Macer | they don't want people phreaking phone calls old school style | 14:59 |
| * RST38h moos at lardman | 14:59 | |
| jonwil | what device are we talking about here? | 15:00 |
| lardman | yeah, though you only need to talk to it using e.g. AT commands, or at least I'd hope that would be the way it works in the end | 15:00 |
| RST38h | lardman: how are things? porting meego/maemo/etc to something? | 15:00 |
| lardman | RST38h: thinking about getting back to the Samsung Galaxy Tab port - lost impetus when Meego went TU | 15:00 |
| lardman | hold those thoughts, bbiab, have to go and show someone how to C-scan | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | lardman: goood idea | 15:01 |
| Macer | heh | 15:03 |
| Macer | well this lumia phone is intereting | 15:03 |
| Macer | although like an iphone you're stuck in MS' zune app :) | 15:03 |
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| vdv | how can i start scratchbox in maemo sdk? | 15:33 |
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| vdv | scratchbox/login | 15:35 |
| vdv | found it | 15:35 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | Quick question - is it possible to check if a process is trying to access network/internet? | 15:57 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | After 8am my N900 tries to connect to any service it can find | 15:58 |
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| flux | I suppose that would appear as dbus activity, simply trying to send a packet won't try to open a connection | 16:02 |
| flux | so, dbus-monitor | 16:02 |
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| lardman | re | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | hey | 16:27 |
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| lardman | hi SpeedEvil | 16:31 |
| lardman | [DarkGUNMAN]: not sure as the network access is done through the closed Nokia libs | 16:32 |
| lardman | but perhaps someone will pipe up | 16:33 |
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| jonwil | [DarkGUNMAN] are you talking about cellular data or about WiFi or about connectivity in general? | 16:59 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | Any connection | 17:00 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | I have it set to prompt me which connection to use | 17:00 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | So for a good while, it pops up every few minutes asking for a wifi or cellular connection | 17:01 |
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| jonwil | The most likely thing is that some component (no clue what) would be asking the internet connectivity daemon (ICD) to connect. And that request is done over dbus. | 17:02 |
| jonwil | Thats my best guess of whats happening | 17:02 |
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| jonwil | The best way to find out more would be to use dbus-monitor to monitor all the dbus traffic at the time the requests are happening | 17:03 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | Thank you all for your answers, it has been very helpful | 17:04 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | I'll run dbus-monitor tomorrow morning | 17:04 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | When it's likely to happen again | 17:04 |
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| Macer | wow | 18:24 |
| Macer | win phone dodsnt let 3rd party apps run in the background like ios | 18:25 |
| Macer | that sucks | 18:25 |
| Sicelo | you didn't know? | 18:25 |
| Macer | well. have to give maemo +1 on that one | 18:26 |
| Macer | heh. no but it isnt a dealbreaker | 18:26 |
| Macer | it only affected me with ssh | 18:26 |
| Macer | but that is what tmux is for | 18:26 |
| Macer | :) | 18:26 |
| Macer | just set up tmux to detatch/attach in bashrc | 18:27 |
| Macer | the est of the stuff i can deal without. as long as my gtalk works | 18:27 |
| Sicelo | good luck :) | 18:28 |
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| Sicelo | i think i'd rather 'suffer' with an N9 instead, should my N900 die, and should I fail to get another one in good condition :) | 18:29 |
| Macer | heh | 18:30 |
| Macer | well.. my n900 broke | 18:30 |
| Macer | but it's not too bad.. like i said... ssh was the only one driving me nuts | 18:30 |
| Macer | but just reconnecting with tmux automatically reattaching solved that problem | 18:30 |
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| Macer | i just wanted to make sure that would work before i actually paid for the ssh app.. since there doesn't seem to be a free one unfortunately | 18:31 |
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| Macer | kitty for winphone 7.5? :) | 18:31 |
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| kerio | Sicelo: when my N900 finally dies, i'll just buy another | 18:33 |
| Sicelo | what is "another"? | 18:34 |
| kerio | another n900, that is | 18:35 |
| Sicelo | same here.. but if i really cant find one ... <quote>should my N900 die, and should I fail to get another one in good condition</quote> | 18:36 |
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| Macer | damb | 18:43 |
| Macer | this win phone ssh ient is actually pretty good once you get used to it | 18:44 |
| Macer | client | 18:44 |
| Macer | still working on the kb | 18:44 |
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| Vampir3 | hi | 18:57 |
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| Vampir3 | i install maemo SDK in fedora, first tume its run, but after first time always i see a black screen | 18:58 |
| Vampir3 | can anyone help me? :-? | 18:59 |
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| Vampir3 | no one? :-( | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | probably | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | when I hear "maemo SDK", I think 'scratchbox' | 19:04 |
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| mgedmin | and it's all terminal apps | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | how can a terminal app cause a black screen? | 19:04 |
| Vampir3 | it run with this code : Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac & | 19:05 |
| Vampir3 | after first time i run this | 19:05 |
| Vampir3 | For the first time, it gives me a peek at the Nokia applications. It showcases the complete UI framework | 19:06 |
| * mgedmin never used the Xephyr GUI bits | 19:06 | |
| Vampir3 | but after that | 19:06 |
| Vampir3 | so?? | 19:07 |
| Vampir3 | what can i do? | 19:07 |
| Vampir3 | ... | 19:09 |
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| * lardman curses pci | 19:30 | |
| lardman | does one need to pause after writing into a PCI card's address space, e.g. to let the card perform whatever action you want | 19:36 |
| lardman | slightly OT I realise | 19:36 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/20/nokia_loses_ipcom_court_case/ <-- hmm | 20:02 |
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| * mgedmin read that as 'nokia lorem ipsum court case' and assumed some IP troll managed to copyright the lorem ipsum text | 20:06 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: wait with *what*? | 20:11 |
| lardman | dunno, busy loop | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with next r/w to same PCI card: quite possibly. If there's not a status register to read out any time and poll for end of prev transaction | 20:12 |
| Macer | still customizing this ssh client | 20:12 |
| Macer | blah | 20:12 |
| Macer | getting there tho :) | 20:13 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer51: I'm actually having troubles writing to the status register, which gives status when read and should switch power on when written to | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: not BY what, WITH what | 20:13 |
| lardman | no errors, etc., but no power either | 20:13 |
| lardman | comedi kernel driver | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | power-up will for sure need $random time to complete | 20:14 |
| lardman | I'm wondering if the card generates an error if I try to write a value to one of the output addresses before it's had time to power up | 20:15 |
| lardman | though I don't get error codes, and I don't get a powered up status either | 20:16 |
| lardman | very odd | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess a propeer DataSheet will tell sth along 'read status until power-good bit set' | 20:16 |
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| lardman | yeah this is not quite proper, just a Word doc | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nfc if PCI supports power on/off anyway | 20:17 |
| lardman | ah no this is power on/off of the output the card produces | 20:18 |
| lardman | so it should just be a simple operation that one would carry out by writing to some memory offset | 20:18 |
| lardman | it's a high voltage DAC card | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 20:21 |
| lardman | On another tack, is the GPS chipset in the N950 the same as that in the N9? | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so yes, this will take some time to establish | 20:22 |
| lardman | nm Doc, I'll email the company and ask some more questions, or decompile their Windows dll | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: GPS: I dunno offhand, will look up when at home | 20:23 |
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| lardman | Cool thanks, will head online when I get back | 20:23 |
| lardman | speaking of which, far to late to be at work on a Friday afternoon, catch you all later | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but why would you wanna know? the chip in N900 isn't directly accessable | 20:23 |
| lardman|gone | Not N900 | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aaah, sorry | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno | 20:24 |
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| lardman|gone | The Samsung Galaxy Player has a Broadcom bcm4751 which is apparently the same as the N9, I was just curious about the N950. | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd assume it's same | 20:25 |
| lardman|gone | I'm ever hopeful I can use the N9 firmware and kernel driver to drive the chip, which would be nice | 20:25 |
| lardman|gone | not sure if it needs a firmware upload, will need to do some research on how they work | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the kernel driver probably I2C plain vanilla | 20:26 |
| lardman|gone | I seem to remember it implemented a protocol over the link | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rest done in a lib blob | 20:26 |
| lardman|gone | but the other end of that is probably closed | 20:26 |
| lardman|gone | yep | 20:26 |
| lardman|gone | ah well, something to think about while I drive home | 20:26 |
| lardman|gone | bye! | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o/ | 20:26 |
| Macer | damn | 20:30 |
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| Macer | my su8w wont work with this damn windows phone | 20:31 |
| Macer | lame | 20:31 |
| Macer | damnit | 20:32 |
| Macer | pasting wont work either. i need to figure that out | 20:32 |
| ThreeM | su8w? | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bt-kbd | 20:52 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: to this day.... my n95 was the only thing it ever worked with years ago :) | 21:00 |
| Macer | i managed to get it to work well with my n900 but not all the buttons worked | 21:00 |
| Macer | i never did figure out how to map the special keys on it | 21:00 |
| Macer | like the email key to open the email app | 21:00 |
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| kaizerslawten | HELLO GUYS , I'M BRAZILIAN :d | 21:02 |
| kaizerslawten | :D | 21:02 |
| Sicelo | nice, heh | 21:03 |
| kaizerslawten | I'M USER OF ALTERNATIVE OS MER | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | caps | 21:06 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, can someone please see if they have this line in their /etc/sudoers | 22:13 |
| Sicelo | user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL | 22:13 |
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| esaym153 | is there any native unionfs on the n810? | 23:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:NOK - all-time low today - 3.69 | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Last at this price in Jan 97. | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: for sure not | 23:26 |
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| RzR | SpeedEvil, this pretty high if you compare it ,to let say ... next year... or next week | 23:28 |
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| * SpeedEvil googles 'how to short stock' | 23:29 | |
| * RST38h reads it as "how to snort stock", ponders | 23:29 | |
| SpeedEvil | 1) Take OXO cube | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow a snort shock | 23:30 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: thanks. /me heads to see where that comes from.. that's possibly why forcing `root` to request password doesn't work, even though it worked a long while ago | 23:31 |
| * RST38h lost cell data connectivity today for some reason | 23:32 | |
| RST38h | Anyone experienced similar problem? | 23:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: n9? | 23:32 |
| RST38h | Speed:N900 | 23:33 |
| RST38h | It is back up though | 23:33 |
| RST38h | Dunno wth was wrong, even tried rebooting twice. Maybe it was simply low on battery. | 23:34 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: you have Easy Debian by any chance? | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at syslog | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | or dmesg | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | see if you have SIM error | 23:36 |
| RST38h | no voice calls work | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | It did that once here too | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | could also be problems at the cell side | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Another option is to toggle airplane mode | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BTS fsckdup | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really that uncommon | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | or yu got the simfuckus | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | like macer 3 days ago | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | scientific name fuckupus cmtus | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: btw low battery is a perfect explanation though, the cmt will fail way earlier then SoC | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | than* | 23:49 |
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