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Macerwell... friday i am going to get a lumia 90015:40
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Macertime to move on with the 2nd n900 ive had in just as many years breaking on me15:40
Macerplus the ms os actually looks pretty damn awesome15:41
Maceri doubt nokia will honor the warranty for it15:41
Maceri might open it later and see if i can see a solder break by the sim but either way i want to ditch tmob anyways... they totally suck15:42
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HRH_H_Crabi wish people wouldnt keep reminding me of the mortality of n900s...15:45
HRH_H_Crabesp. as i havent bought a spare yet /o\15:45
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Macerwell... they sure had their flaws15:53
Macerthe usb port was a biggie15:53
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Maceri love the device but after this one i'm done :)15:55
Macerit will find its place in the drawer next to the n810 heh15:55
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chem|stHRH_H_Crab: my first n900 still lasts...15:58
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chem|stMacer: WinMo... insane...16:00
chem|stthere were more n9s sold than lumia xxxs... guess why!16:01
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DocScrutinizer3 pcs N900 here now16:02
DocScrutinizernot averse getting a 4th one16:02
chem|stDocScrutinizer: you'll get mine if my sister doesn't want it16:02
DocScrutinizerthough no defects on any of them yet, apart from case scratching caused by me stepping on it16:02
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DocScrutinizer(no, it wasn't on purpose ;-P )16:03
chem|stDocScrutinizer: suggestions for a new toy?16:03
Macerchem|st: i think the lumia 900 is different16:03
Macerthey are selling well16:03
Macerand picking up momentum16:03
DocScrutinizererrr, if I had any, I'd not look for a pile of N900 to survive the dark times16:04
tadzikhow often do your N900s break?16:04
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DocScrutinizerooh I had a defect: FPC went bonkers -> black screen16:05
DocScrutinizertook Nokia 5 weeks to repair16:05
chem|sttadzik: never16:05
chem|stit even survived wheat-beer coke mix 0.5L16:06
chem|stit is still my primary phone16:06
chem|stDocScrutinizer: n900 new on ebay for 250eur16:07
tadzikheh. Hearing all those "I still haven't bought my spare one"16:07
DocScrutinizertadzik: if they would break every 3 monts, do you think I'd bother getting spare?16:08
tadzikwhy, that's what I'm asking about16:08
Sicelowin 2816:08
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DocScrutinizerbecause it's getting harder to get spare, and eventually every hw will break16:09
Macerwindows mobile's first hit lol16:09
MacerDocScrutinizer: my mom still uses a 7 year old razr :-P16:09
HRH_H_Crabchem|st: mine too16:09
Macerbut that was when motorola built stuff in the US16:09
Macerand quality was a major concern16:09
HRH_H_Crabsince i read about the charger connection problem and really got to like that phone,16:09
HRH_H_Crabive been really careful with it!16:09
Macernow companies make throwaway electronics16:10
HRH_H_Crabi look after my n900 more carefully than most people with a brand new iphone!16:10
Macerthe only incentive for a company to upgrade stuff and create new features is because then consumers don't feel so bad they have to throw a phone away they bought for $500 about 2 years prior16:10
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DocScrutinizerwell, I already "used up" 2 keymats (both have some paint coming off, usually on e/3 key)16:11
Maceri did that as well on my last n90016:12
Macerthe current one was actually holding up quite well tho16:12
DocScrutinizerand I 2 times dropped a N900, one time even stepped on it trying to catch it with my foot16:12
Macertoo bad the sim rader is jacked up16:12
Maceri can do the paper thing but that's jut ghetto.. and eventually that will no longer work as well16:12
chem|stMacer: build in the US and quality is an oxymoron...16:12
Macerplease don't use the car industry as an example ;)16:13
StyXmanchem|st: I wonder, what country would you trust for building stuff?16:13
Macermy parents had a zenith television for 2 decades with no problems16:13
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Macerthey also had a receiver that was made by a US company that they still have and still functions perfectly16:13
StyXmanchem|st: I'm not from USA, so go ahead :)16:13
chem|stStyXman: germany...16:13
StyXmanchem|st: hmm, true16:14
MacerStyXman: :-P my nokia n900 was made in finland16:14
chem|stMade in W. Germany still applies!16:14
DocScrutinizerdoesn't mean a thing16:14
Macerwith its broken sim reader that was bought in china16:14
DocScrutinizer(made in finland)16:14
chem|stMacer: your n900 was made in china...16:14
Macerchem|st: heh16:14
Macerall electronics are made in china :-P16:15
chem|stMacer: all n900s even the developer ones are made in china16:15
DocScrutinizeror japan16:15
StyXmanMacer: mine says the same, and the green led doesn't work anymore after... 5months?16:15
DocScrutinizeror korea?16:15
chem|stStyXman: that might be a mce problem...16:15
DocScrutinizerStyXman: might be starting FPC connector problem16:15
MacerStyXman: about 5 months for mine as well ;)16:16
Macerbefore the sim reader just suddenly stopped working16:16
Macerthe chinese character for months and years must have been confusing16:16
Macersince most chinese electronics have a 5 year lifespan16:16
Macerat least that has been the case in my experience16:17
DocScrutinizerI actually don't think N900 early failures are significantly higher than on any other device of same complexity16:17
Macertimed solder :)16:17
MacerDocScrutinizer: i will not believe it when someone does a study on it and proves me wrong :)16:18
DocScrutinizeraah, well you mean electronic devices made in china, not parts16:18
Macerthose asians are doing something16:18
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Maceri say timed solder... or pathways that are set to break when exposed to a certain amount of heat for x amount of time16:19
DocScrutinizera chinese SMT LED has no way less livespan than any other one16:19
Macersolder would be easier tho.. i'm sure you can make an easy mixture which corodes after a certain amount of time16:19
chem|stDocScrutinizer: on rebuy for 170eur16:19
MacerDocScrutinizer: if everything lasted forever china would have a few billion starving people with no factories to work in16:20
DocScrutinizerchem|st: usually no new ones16:20
StyXmanMacer: lemme guess, you´re trolling, right?16:20
Maceri mean they're still starving.. but at least they have factories to keep their minds off the hunger :)16:20
MacerStyXman: a little bit16:20
Maceri'm being serious about the timed electronics tho16:20
Maceri honestly believe there is something going on in asia where the electronics are timed to malfunction16:21
DocScrutinizerchinese stuff often is lacking any "useless" protection circuits etc16:21
StyXmanMacer: most advanced countries' economies are based in consume. if shit didn't break, there would be muuuuch less consume16:21
MacerStyXman: of course... but that's why you make new and innovative things16:21
StyXmanhere in .fr it's cheaper to but a new vacuum than to reapir one16:21
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DocScrutinizerwhich results in those devices much easier break on e.g. ESD events that a decent device would survive without problems16:21
MacerStyXman: that is every place16:22
Macerlike i said.. throwaway electronics16:22
Macerwalmart ruined the world :)16:22
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StyXmanMacer: you haven't been much ti the «third world», did you?16:22
Macersure.. i've been all over the world16:22
Macerindia was probably the worst16:22
DocScrutinizerchem|st: link?16:22
Macerand i thought we had ghettoes here :)16:22
Macerindia is one giant slum16:22
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Macerbut what do 3rd world countries have to do with asians using corrosive solder on purpose to keep sales up?16:24
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StyXmanMacer: in the country I grew up we repair shit because they're expensive16:24
StyXmanI repaired all kinds of appliances16:25
StyXmanbut the main difference is: you can get the spare parts in shops16:25
StyXmanhere I can't find any16:25
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Maceroff the top of your head was there a bigger ratio of things requiring repair which came from asia as opposed from other countries?16:26
narcosHi all. On my N900 I've setup openvpn in bridge (layer 2) mode. It works fine. What I want now is to create an access point such that devices connect to my phone, and have their layer2 traffic also bridged over the vpn. I've created a soft AP with airbase, and can connect. But I don't know how to forward the layer 2 traffic over the tap0 interface. Help?16:26
StyXmanMacer: well, to be honest, most where from the country itself, and china too16:27
chem|stDocScrutinizer: sure not new, would it be rebuy if new?16:27
StyXmanbut I won't blame it on planned obsolesence16:27
StyXmanbut more on bad quality stuff16:27
Macerprobably because you didn't consider it ;)16:27
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Macersomeone crunching numbers somewhere did tho16:28
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StyXmanMacer: it doesn't make sense if people can't buy your stuff16:28
StyXmanthe vacuum is broken? take a broom...16:28
Macerever try sweeping a carpet?16:29
Macerit really sucks16:29
StyXmanMacer: carpet? wassat?16:29
narcosI think maybe I need to create a bridge between at0 (the soft AP) and tap0 ?16:29
StyXmanI mean, we took the only one we had for cleaning like once every year16:29
StyXmanwe didn't get a color tv until well into the '9016:30
narcos(on that second note - there doesn't seem to be the bridge-utils package available for maemo?)16:30
StyXmanthe VCR came later16:30
StyXmaneven later a cd player16:30
StyXmanand only a few years ago a dvd16:30
chem|st1st cd player was '93, a gift to my sister16:30
StyXmanand we were middle class, or what's left of it16:30
StyXmanchem|st: for her own use, or for her family'suse?16:31
StyXmanI never hav a walkman or portable cd player16:31
StyXmanwell, enough ranting16:32
Macerin soviet russia we make new well to drink for chernobyl incident16:32
StyXmanMacer: :)))16:32
chem|st1st cd in our houshold16:32
StyXmana little bit of that16:32
chem|stbut her's16:32
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DocScrutinizernarcos: sorry, no clue16:33
DocScrutinizernarcos: for stuff like that you usually need powerkernel16:34
narcosDocScrutinizerJust managed to find brctl in busybox-power16:34
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DocScrutinizerdoes it work? :)16:35
narcosDocScrutinizer: Downloading - slow GPRS conection16:35
DocScrutinizer       brctl is used to set up, maintain, and inspect the ethernet bridge configuration in the linux kernel.16:36
DocScrutinizeremphasis on "in the ... kernel"16:36
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narcosDocScrutinizer: What do you mean?16:36
DocScrutinizerI mean stock kernel doesn't support such "useless" things, you need powerkernel16:37
narcosHmm @ the phone prompting me with "Warning: this package touches an essential system binary! Even though installation should be safe, a reflash may be required if something goes wrong"16:37
narcosDocScrutinizer: I'm not sure what you mean - I need to update my kernel?16:37
DocScrutinizerthumbs up at messybox16:38
DocScrutinizernarcos: yes, that's what I suspect you will find out in the end16:38
narcosDocScrutinizer: Dang - is that a difficult thing to do? i.e. I don't know how16:38
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DocScrutinizercheck for kernel-power in packages interface16:39
DocScrutinizerthere's also a thread on tmo16:39
DocScrutinizerabout "kernel-power v50" OWTTE16:39
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DocScrutinizerand I'm not completely sure if bridging is supported in stock kernel as well16:40
narcosWell, brctl installed, but doesn't seem to work, so I suspect you're right16:40
DocScrutinizerif it's needed for e.g. DUN or sth, it might already be there16:40
narcosNokia-N900:~# brctl show16:40
narcosbrctl: SIOCGIFBR: Package not installed16:40
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narcosHmm @ :16:41
narcosNokia-N900:~# ls -l /usr/bin/brctl16:41
narcoslrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            12 Apr 18 15:36 /usr/bin/brctl -> /bin/busybox16:41
narcosIt's just a link to the busybox interpreter ?16:41
StyXmannarcos: it's ok16:41
DocScrutinizerthat's how messybox works, yes16:42
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils16:42
StyXmanwhat you need is some support in the kernel you´re runnig16:42
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narcosStyXman: Could you elaborate ? I'm feeling a little confused16:42
StyXmannarcos: you have to things to create a bridge:16:43
DocScrutinizert900:~# apt-cache search kernel-power16:43
DocScrutinizermultiboot-kernel-power - Maemo 'kernel-power' configuration for multiboot16:43
DocScrutinizerkernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel (kernel power
StyXmana) kernel code that actually simulates a switch between your interfaces and16:43
StyXmanb) a CLI util to manage it16:44
StyXmanyou have b), you need a)16:44
narcosStyXman: Ah, OK. So brctl is (b) - but it can't do its business with the current kernel?16:44
StyXmannarcos: AFAIK, no16:45
DocScrutinizerno netfilters/ipchains, no bridging on stock kernel16:45
StyXmanthe original kernel lacks support for several things, mainly because the phone was not meant to do them16:45
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narcosDocScrutinizer: To install that new kernel, is it just a case of "apt-get install kernel-power" ?16:45
DocScrutinizernarcos: I strongly suggest you use HAM for that16:46
narcosWhat's a HAM ?16:46
DocScrutinizerbut basically yes, get the 3 relevant pkgs: kernel, kernel-flasher, kernel-modules16:46
narcosThe application manager?16:46
DocScrutinizerHildon AppMan16:46
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DocScrutinizerso yes16:47
narcos /me Googles16:47
DocScrutinizeryou definitely want to read a bit about powerkernel prior to messing with it16:48
narcosCurrently sitting on :)16:48
narcosThis is cool, thanks for the help guys16:49
DocScrutinizeryou don't need to google HAM though, it's simply the default GUI appman16:49
DocScrutinizeryep, that's a good starting point I guess16:49
narcosOh right - the one that comes with the phone on the main desktop?16:49
narcosDoh, i've been trying to search for it to install it16:49
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StyXmannarcos: stick around and you'll learn maemospeak quite fast :)16:51
narcosheh, will do :)16:52
narcosI dig this phone16:52
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narcosHmm I seem to have an old maemo. "The kernel package was previously called kernel-flasher-maemo" - that's what I see in my application list16:55
narcosBut I also see "Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot)"16:55
narcosAlthough, checking my current kernel, it looks like I already have the power one? :16:58
narcosThe kernel package was previously called kernel-flasher-maemo16:58
narcos(wrong paste)16:58
narcosNokia-N900:~# uname -r16:58
StyXmannarcos: it's not the original, that's for sure16:59
narcosStyXman: So I've installed the pwniexpress pwnphone image17:00
narcosI suspect that may be the cause17:00
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narcosMaybe a later power kernel is what I need17:04
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narcosPhew, this stuff's giving me a headache, back to other work, I'll pick it up later. Catch y'all later!17:15
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DocScrutinizernarcos: get kernel-power5017:25
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DocScrutinizernfc what's this pwnphone mage, and esp which version/tweaks vs "proper" maemo17:27
narcosDocScrutinizer: OK cool. I'll see if I can get that installed.17:27
StyXmancan I please pretty please replace the date chooser? it s**ks...17:27
RST38hWhile overflying a region 113.4 km from entry point at a height of 1500 meters, UAV's instruments and GPS failed and visual contact with the ground was lost. Non-essential systems were put into standby to maximize battery life and UAV was placed into freefall. As of this date, ? years later, UAV is still transmitting and is still in a state of freefall.17:28
DocScrutinizerStyXman: it sucks big time. I thought about replacing the shit in gtk lib17:28
DocScrutinizerbut it seems that's not an easy thing to do17:28
RST38hAm I the only one thinking tha the date chooser is a'ok? =)17:29
StyXmanRST38h: it has no DOW reference17:29
DocScrutinizernarcos: from your uname -a I gather your pwmphone thing has WLAN injection patches17:29
StyXmanso «next thursday» is a guess excercise17:30
narcosDocScrutinizer: Yeah it does17:30
DocScrutinizerkernel-power50 should come with these as well17:30
StyXmanRST38h: where's that quote from?17:30
DocScrutinizerStyXman: exactly17:30
DocScrutinizeruseless crap17:30
RST38hStyXman: google17:30
StyXmanRST38h: «google» is quite big...17:30
LaoLang_coolAny way on pc to know if there's any update for maemo cssu?17:31
narcosDocScrutinizer: To get a newer listing of kernel-power should I do an apt-get update .. ?17:32
DocScrutinizerStyXman: btw all slotmachine choosers suck17:32
LaoLang_coolA way needn't to run `apt-get update` on maemo17:32
DocScrutinizernarcos: I suggest you get the 3 *.dpk and install with dpkg17:33
RST38hDoc: falsely make you think the money will start streaming out of them if you get the right combination?17:33
narcosDocScrutinizer: Oh, and on the WLAN injection note - yeah those patches allow me to create a soft access point easily with airbase, which is useful.17:33
DocScrutinizeror see if apt-get update will find it in extras-devel17:33
narcosDocScrutinizer: OK cool I'll try that17:33
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DocScrutinizersorry headache, bbl17:35
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narcosDocScrutinizer: Ah sorry to hear that, feel better soon!17:35
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narcosAnyone know where I can find the kernel .config file on maemo? I'd like to check if CONFIG_BRIDGE is in there.17:36
narcosHm, maybe I need to install the headers17:39
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DocScrutinizerask Pali17:40
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DocScrutinizerI think there been a way to read defconfig from device17:42
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vdvsomebody tried to point modest to repository of offlineimap?17:45
vdvi.e. displaying offlineimap folders in modest17:45
DocScrutinizerrx51power_defconfig probably17:46
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vdvanyone here using CSSU on n900?18:00
vdvis it reliable enough?18:00
Siceloif in doubt, use CSSU-Stable18:01
Siceloit's stable.. i use it18:01
vdvhow much modest is impoved there?18:01
vdvSicelo, do you use modest often?18:02
StyXmanI use CSSU, but never used modest... yet?18:04
vdvStyXman, which email client do you use then?18:06
StyXmanvdv: none18:07
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narcosDocScrutinizer: Installed powerkernel50 - same trouble with brctl :(18:10
DocScrutinizerI assume you're trying this with root permissions?18:13
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DocScrutinizerthen I dunno. Check if bridging is enabled via defconfig, ask Pali18:16
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DocScrutinizernot even sure if what you try to do is supported at all, I.E. if you try to do a sane allowed thing18:17
narcosOK I'll play with defconfig18:17
narcosTotally not sure if what I'm trying to do is sane either18:18
narcosPali: Ping :)18:18
luke-jrI configured Maemo SIP keepalive to 30 seconds18:20
luke-jrbut it's doing it every HALF A SECOND -.-18:21
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DocScrutinizerbah, : 69MB18:23
Gh0stywould be cool for n900 perhaps? :)18:24
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: haha18:24
Sicelovdv.. not modest  so often.. but occasionally, yes.. i use mutt daily ;)18:24
luke-jr1 minute seems to do every 30 seconds for real18:26
chem|stSicelo: mutt is my primary mail client...18:27
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HRH_H_CrabGh0sty: if you look on the forum there is kind of a build for mosh18:29
HRH_H_Crabi tried to install it yesterday without much luck.18:30
HRH_H_Crabhopefully a slightly more "official" build will make the repos soon, or at least debian will get in it squeeze backports for arm so we can run it in a chroot.18:30
HRH_H_Crabfor some reason they support other arches but not arm...18:30
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vdvis there any sources for modest-nokiamessaging plugin or is that proprietary?18:38
DocScrutinizer(mosh) >>Roaming with SSP becomes easy: the client sends datagrams to the server with increasing sequence numbers, including a heartbeat at least once every three seconds.<< WUT? every THREE seconds??18:39
DocScrutinizereven while idle? farewell standby time18:39
DocScrutinizerand those fools declare that as MObileSHell? BWAHAHAHA18:40
HRH_H_CrabDocScrutinizer: well presumably it cant send the heartbeat if the network isnt up...18:41
DocScrutinizerso what?18:41
StyXmanHRH_H_Crab: you still wake up the cpu18:41
StyXmanand the transmitter18:41
narcosDocScrutinizer: Was that 69mb url for me?18:41
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HRH_H_CrabStyXman: the point im trying to make,18:41
DocScrutinizeryou still wake up GSM/UMTS TX, *that's* the point18:41
HRH_H_Crabis that if you dont want mosh to use power18:42
HRH_H_Crabclose the terminal...18:42
DocScrutinizernarcos: somewhat, I guess most recent rx51_defconfig is in there18:42
narcosDocScrutinizer: OK ta18:43
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DocScrutinizerHRH_H_Crab: hahaha18:43
HRH_H_CrabDocScrutinizer: o.k.18:43
HRH_H_Crablet me put it another way18:43
HRH_H_Crabare you saying that you think mosh will use more power than a standard ssh session?18:43
DocScrutinizeryes, extremely more18:44
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Creteilhi all18:44
HRH_H_Crab(all other things being equal)18:44
DocScrutinizerbecause of what I quoted above18:44
DocScrutinizerit makes UMTS *send* data every 3 seconds18:45
HRH_H_Crabbut if you just leave an ssh session connected,18:45
HRH_H_Craband idle18:45
HRH_H_Crabits still going to send and receive data18:45
Creteilmaemo builder reject compilation with : undefined reference to `osName' someone have an idea ? (it compile fine under scratchbox ...)18:45
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HRH_H_CrabDocScrutinizer: are you talking about just idling?18:45
HRH_H_Crabversus reading mail over ssh, or doing other useful stuff that people might normally use ssh for?18:46
jpinxin the  N900 is there a way to list the apps installed in a read/use-able text-file format?18:46
StyXmanjpinx: dpkg -l ?18:46
HRH_H_Crabsay im reading through my mail in ssh its got to send and receive packets (but not send that 3 second heartbeat)18:47
Creteiljpinx, dpkg -l "*" | grep ii | awk '{print $2}'18:47
jpinxStyXman: heh - that easy? :)18:47
HRH_H_Crabwith mosh im guessing it sends and receives about as much data (when doing the same task) plus the heartbeats18:47
jpinxThanks Creteil :)18:47
Creteiljpinx, or just : dpkg -l "*" | grep ii18:47
Creteilfor more infos ...18:47
HRH_H_Crabi guess you feel those heartbeats will consume a non trivial amount of extra battery?18:47
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HRH_H_Crab(im honestly interested because i think the local echo thing is quite nice)18:48
StyXmanCreteil: dpkg -l alone does the grep ii part :)18:48
DocScrutinizerHRH_H_Crab: I talk about those 30s you read output of last command before you start typing next command18:48
HRH_H_Crabi dunno. i guess i can sort of see your point.18:49
jpinxStyXman: got it thanks :)18:50
HRH_H_Crabi wont be convinced though until ive had a chance to play with it and see how it actually affects my battery life.18:50
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DocScrutinizervs: >>3G connected, good signal, no data or other activity +8 mA.<<18:51
HRH_H_CrabDocScrutinizer: well i tend to keep my phone in 2G mode.18:51
DocScrutinizerdoesn't matter THAT much18:51
DocScrutinizercalling this thing a dedicated MOBILE shell is outright over the top18:53
HRH_H_Crabyeah but thats just a catchy name.18:54
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HRH_H_Crabits more than likely a backronym! ;P18:55
HRH_H_Crab"whats cool and ends with sh? metal is cool! mosh!"18:55
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DocScrutinizeranyway: mosh over 3G: 3h standby,. mosh over 2G: 7h standby. My humble guess of best case figures you get18:57
chem|stmobile shell?18:58
HRH_H_CrabDocScrutinizer: im rarely more than 7 hours away from a charger! ;P18:59
HRH_H_Crabif i was i might be forced to consider a different phone /o\18:59
HRH_H_Crab(because the battery in this one is no spring chicken)18:59
StyXmanHRH_H_Crab: 'cause you're the lucky ones whose usb port is not borked :)18:59
* StyXman has thre rotang batteries19:00
chem|stso mosh is client based right?19:00
chem|stso no mosh server?19:00
chem|stjust reading...19:00
DocScrutinizerit invokes server via SSH19:01
chem|stgot that19:01
DocScrutinizerthen establishes own UDP connection on port 60...6100019:02
DocScrutinizerwhere the NAT nightmare already starts19:02
DocScrutinizerchem|st: then sends a keepalive every 3 seconds19:02
HRH_H_Crabi would have said "are you alive?" more than "keepalive"19:03
chem|st$localprovider = NATdevils19:03
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chem|stwas wondering about SIP working on 3G... but it actually finds it's path19:04
DocScrutinizerI mean, what's the URL? MIT.EDU?? can't they come up with somthing with a little bit more common sense?19:05
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HRH_H_Crabanyway, although i use ssh heavily on my n900 its rarely for more than an hour at a time or so.19:09
HRH_H_Crabwhat appeals to me bout mosh, is that if im on a train, and it goes through a tunnel,19:09
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HRH_H_Crabi have to restart the connection, and log back in.19:09
HRH_H_Crabim guessing that with mosh, i just have to restart the connection.19:09
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HRH_H_Crabsaves on an up-arrow & return19:10
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DocScrutinizerdon't get me wrong, the basic idea of mosh is nice. I just question some implementation details19:11
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DocScrutinizerand yes, for short poweruser sessions mosh might be just OK19:12
HRH_H_Crabi dont think your questions are unreasonable.19:13
HRH_H_Crabi would say they are thought provoking19:13
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* DocScrutinizer ponders slapping together a poor_mans_mosh script, consisting of ssh, screen, and a while true loop19:51
DocScrutinizerof course it would lack this nifty prediction-stuff for temporary local echo19:52
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ShadowJKIn N810 days I started using openvpn to achieve a persistent tcp connecxtion for ssh and irc20:21
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ChekarsHow's it going?22:59
DocScrutinizerheadache, but you don't wanna know22:59
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ChekarsCool handle23:01
ChekarsAre you a doctor?23:01
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DocScrutinizerfun thing - I dunno whether from flu or from the doping my doctor prescribed me against it23:01
DocScrutinizernope, no doctor23:01
SpeedEvilI recommend one ibuprofen, one paracetamol, and some coffee23:01
narcosDang - bad luck still having that headache DocScrutinizer23:02
DocScrutinizerwell, I learnt yesterday clenbuterol has that effect23:02
DocScrutinizerso probably I'm taking a medicine since 2 weeks to cure my flu, and the symptoms are not from flu but from the medicine23:03
DocScrutinizerfunny paradoxon23:03
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: exactly what I will do right away now23:05
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narcosMan I'm on a dodgy connection.23:54
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