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drexgotta get home guys, have a good day03:35
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Macerno offense but03:50
Maceri have to admit i want a nokia windows phone after seeing that commercial lol03:50
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slonopotamusruskie: it was obvious from the very beginning that going with windows will lead to a dead end, sooner or later08:58
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Sicelocan someone paste me their /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo file10:50
Macermy damn n900 keeps disconnecting the sim for some reason10:53
Macernow i really screwed it up trying to fix it.. i somehow managed to wipe the kernel without having the original install10:53
Maceri hope it is some awkward cssu bug and not a hardware issue10:54
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Macerbut considering i have been running cssu for weeks and really haven't changed the phone much it is looking grim :(10:54
Maceri should rma it for an e7 :)10:54
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SpeedEvilYou get 'sim error' messages?10:58
Maceri get the sim not there icon11:00
Macerthen it comes back11:01
Macerthen goes away.. then comes back11:01
Macerit seems once i try to use the modem it dies11:01
Macerthen comes back :)11:01
Maceryeah.. that's exactly how i felt11:01
SpeedEvilIs the battery a bit dodgy?11:01
Maceri swapped batteries11:01
Macerbut the last one was11:01
Macercame with a wall charger11:01
Maceri used the nokia battery and still have issues11:02
SpeedEvilBut more likely I'd say it's a not uncommon fault. :/11:02
Macerwell... hopefully it isn't damaged hardware11:02
Macerbut so far it seems that way11:02
Maceri tried an att sim and had the same problem11:02
Macerso it isn't the sim or tmobile11:02
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DocScrutinizersounds like the "high hill effect"13:52
DocScrutinizerwhen device tries to associate to a BTS that's way too far away13:52
DocScrutinizerbut also may be: poor location (device has not enough power to reach BTS); BTS occupied; roaming error; antenna semi-defect; battery weak (too high impedance); modem defect13:55
DocScrutinizerinterference on upstream band13:55
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DocScrutinizereven wrong band (850MHz for a 900MHz device) may cause such issues14:05
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DocScrutinizer[general notice] There will be a Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) at 15:00 UTC on Tuesday April 17. <>14:50
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: ^^^14:52
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: (you're chan owner, so it would help to have you around ;-D)14:53
SD69thanks Doc14:53
DocScrutinizerI'd add a logbot if any of the chanops would allow me to14:54
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DocScrutinizeralas it seems none of the chanops is even aware there's some pending activity over there14:54
DocScrutinizerI'm tempted to do it nevertheless if none of the chanops is vetoing until 15min before meeting14:56
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: PING14:57
DocScrutinizerJaffa_: PING14:57
DocScrutinizerJaffa_: ^^^14:58
DocScrutinizerghjgfjghjbn: do you really like this nick?14:59
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer: take a chill pill14:59
DocScrutinizerteotwaki: wut? I'm hoping coffee eventualy kicks in, half asleep ;-)15:00
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DocScrutinizerso you might argue coffee is the chill pill of my choice. Actually it seems all such "drugs" work paradox for me15:02
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DocScrutinizerSD69: you might want to ask X-Fade to moderate the meeting, I seem to not get past his ignore list15:15
DocScrutinizerhe's active this very moment on #harmattan15:15
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SD69DocScrutinizer:  I think Council will moderate the meeting15:16
DocScrutinizerand he's chanowner of #maemo-meeting, so the only one who can do proper moderation15:16
DocScrutinizerSD69: so please council update #maemo-meeting /topic ;-D15:17
DocScrutinizerthis should be done *now*, not halfway into actual meeting15:17
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DocScrutinizerSD69: adding a logbot shuld also be finished before meeting starts, I need permission of *chanop* to do this15:19
SD69sure, let's hope momcilo updates it15:20
DocScrutinizer(well, not really. But that's best practice)15:20
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DocScrutinizerwho's momcilo?15:20
DocScrutinizerhe's not on #maemo-meeting accesslist15:21
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Sicelomomcilo is in current council15:21
DocScrutinizer/ms chanserv access #maemo-meeting list15:21
DocScrutinizer/msg even15:22
Siceloyeah, i noticed15:22
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DocScrutinizerI'd suggest X-Fade adds somebody to access list who will take care, though I know he won't accept at least me for that15:23
DocScrutinizersame reason he ignores all my direct pings to him15:25
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DocScrutinizerI'm bitching too much about aegis15:25
DocScrutinizerand I even started that before we had access to any actual aegis implementation15:26
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DocScrutinizerthe general tale back when been "let's wait and see what it actually will bring us" - I always begged to differ15:28
TermanaI just think you need to give it a bit more time to grow on you15:29
Termana.......... :p15:29
DocScrutinizergood one, Termana15:29
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DocScrutinizerwell, I know how I get beyond his /ignore15:31
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*** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | | Source: | Chanlog: | There will be a Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) at 15:00 UTC on Tuesday April 17. <>"15:32
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SiceloDocScrutinizer is our little devil, lol15:35
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Sicelo;)  j/k15:36
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Maceri need to flash a kernel on this damn thing now :/15:39
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Maceri guess removing the power kernel from pkg manager is not a good thing to do15:39
Maceri sure hope this is a software problem with teh sim but i am doubting it15:39
Maceri think something got messed up in the phone somehow :(15:40
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: \o/15:40
DocScrutinizersee /topic!15:40
javispedroECHAN ;P15:40
Macerwhat''s the council meeting about?15:41
javispedroDocScrutinizer: oops, actually, errno=0, apologies15:42
DocScrutinizerMacer: see ML link15:42
DocScrutinizerMacer: you may ask x-fade to update the /topic in #maemo-meeting15:43
ShadowJKmacer: "disconnecting the sim" = crossed out sim icon in status area? "dmesg" to pastebin after it happens plz15:44
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: +1 :-)15:44
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MacerShadowJK: yes15:50
Macersorry i already ruined the kernel15:51
Maceri have to flash a new kernel to it15:51
Maceri don't get an error.. i just keep getting the no sim icon over and over15:51
Macerit was driving me nuts.. and i thought it may have something to do with the power kernel.. tried removing it and removed it without installing the stock kernel heh15:51
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MacerShadowJK: is this a known problem?15:54
Maceror is it my hardware going bad?15:54
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Maceryes to known problem?15:55
Maceror bad hardware? :)15:55
ShadowJKyes :)15:55
ShadowJKget a dmesg15:55
Macerwell.. that sucks :)15:55
Macerok... i will flash it in a minute15:55
DocScrutinizerMacer: move to another BTS cell15:55
MacerBTS cell?15:55
Maceri did already15:56
DocScrutinizerooh :-/15:56
Maceri actually swapped an att sim into it15:56
Maceri mean it won't wrok 3G but it will still work15:56
Macerand it had the same problem15:56
Macersomeone lent me their att sim15:56
DocScrutinizersounds like hw15:56
Maceryeah :/15:56
Maceri'm going to flash it and see if it persists15:56
Macerif it doesn't then i'm blaming cssu :-P15:57
Macerbut i doubt it15:57
Maceri was using it for weeks with the version of cssu running on it15:57
DocScrutinizercssu is innocent15:57
Maceri know.. i was joking15:57
Maceri had cssu on it for a while.. this problem just ... started.. weird15:57
Macerand it's made in finland15:57
Macerguess i can't blame asia anymore :/15:57
ghostcubeMacer: with no support, but you could try to bend the sim pins a bit15:57
ghostcubei had this issue too and it worked15:57
ShadowJKIt's likely hw failure. I've had two N900s fail that way. The output of dmesg would confirm15:58
MacerShadowJK: doh :)15:58
Macerwhat would i be looking for in dmesg?15:58
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Macer"Kernel panic.... sim fail"15:58
ShadowJKCMT rst15:59
ShadowJKbbiab. Need to go pick up lightbulbs for car so it'll pass mot.16:00
Macerghostcube: i sure hope it is something that simple ;)16:00
DocScrutinizerMacer: hardly16:00
ghostcubeits just happening if the phone falls down or something like this16:00
ghostcubejust pull the cover and battery out16:01
ghostcubeopen sim card holder16:01
ghostcubeand be soft to the pins16:01
ghostcubedont bend them to hard16:01
DocScrutinizerbut a close inspection of SIM holder and esp contacts there can't hurt (unless you break the contacts while bending them)16:01
Maceri already did ;)16:01
ghostcubeDocScrutinizer: worked for me several times so far16:01
Macernot break them16:01
Macerbent them upwards16:01
ghostcubeMacer: yep16:01
TermanaEither the N900 was not built to last or you guys are just extremely rough with it :p USB ports falling out, SIM hardware failures. Those poor N900s. Mine just got chucked in a sink, ended it pretty quickly.16:02
MacerTermana: food processor16:02
ghostcubemy usb port is not a problem so far16:02
ghostcubejust the sim detection fails sometimes16:02
TermanaMacer, will it blend?16:02
TermanaMade in Finland. Definitely blends16:02
DocScrutinizerMacer: I was about to type just that ;-D16:02
DocScrutinizererr Termana16:03
DocScrutinizerwell, oxidized/stained/dirty contacts on SIM holder are not that uncommon16:03
DocScrutinizerTermana: (does it blend)16:04
Macerhave to swap over to a pc16:04
DocScrutinizerfor cleaning contacts you either use a paper business card without varnish (raw paper)16:04
TermanaI don't have a blender. Sorry.16:04
StyXmanTermana: hand blender?16:05
DocScrutinizeror a rubber eraser, the hard type that has fine sand in it - only for really heavy stains though16:05
* StyXman notices that he doesn't know appliance's names in english16:05
DocScrutinizerusually the 'blue' type16:05
Macerwhere is the wiki on how to flash power kernel to the phone?16:06
TermanaStyXman, no hand blender either. I have a whisk. Maybe I can start a new series - will it whisk and brown in the oven16:06
StyXmanTermana: hehehe16:08
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DocScrutinizer[general notice] There will be a Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) at 15:00 UTC on Tuesday April 17. <>16:11
Maceri need to get power kernel uhm... 2.6.10?16:12
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Maceri can't remember16:12
Maceri remember there being a 10 in there somewhere :) anybody know where i can get the img?16:12
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DocScrutinizerWOW 313 users16:14
DocScrutinizerMacer: only way I know is to install stock kernel, than use kernel-power(flasher|modules) packages and install them16:15
DocScrutinizerI bet pali has provided some image you could flash directly as well16:16
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Macerok. where can i find the stock kernel just to get the thing to boot? :)16:17
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Sicelo_use flasher utility: it has a flash kernel-only option .. and the rootfs file.16:18
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DocScrutinizerit's even explained on ~flashing16:19
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MacerDuplicate headers received from server16:19
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DocScrutinizererr wait.... COMBINED_002 ?16:20
DocScrutinizeruse global version!16:20
Macerthe whole page is doing it16:21
Macernone of the images seem to want to download16:21
DocScrutinizercmt known to occasionally freak out on localized firmware16:21
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DocScrutinizerMacer: you "registered"?16:21
Maceri put the ser in16:21
DocScrutinizerIMEI but anyway16:21
Macerlet me try again16:22
LaoLang_coolgtalk on maemo is a hello... messages would get disappear, I encountered several times16:23
DocScrutinizermsgs disappearing usually related to corrupted database16:24
MacerError 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks.16:24
Macerare you kidding me ? :)16:25
DocScrutinizeruse another browser maybe16:25
Macerthat's what i'm doing now16:26
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: disappear sometimes, not always.16:26
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: how to know if database is corrupted or not?16:27
DocScrutinizerLaoLang_cool: I don't know for sure16:27
LaoLang_coolI've cleared conversation of gtalk, but still have the issue16:27
DocScrutinizermight be something completely different16:27
Macerwow ie works tho?16:27
Macerweird. remind me to figure that out later heh16:27
DocScrutinizerMacer: which browser?16:28
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: thank you all the same16:28
Macerthe error was in chrome16:28
DocScrutinizerLaoLang_cool: really sorry, I just heard of it, and know of some tmo threads dealing with related topics16:28
DocScrutinizeranyway what I heard is not gtalk specific16:29
DocScrutinizerusually noticed for SMS16:29
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: ok, I'll try to find the threads16:29
LaoLang_cooloh, sms works fine here16:29
DocScrutinizerI gather it's same database though16:30
DocScrutinizerreally, might be a red herring and completely unrelated16:31
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Maceris there a 64bit version of the driver to flash on a win7 box?16:32
ShadowJKIt's not "SIM hardware failure" for my two cases. However, the UI uses "crossed out sim" icon for all and any unknown/uncommon faults with the modem16:32
DocScrutinizerSIM is synonym for cmt16:33
Maceri see a nokia bbs adl loader usb generic driver installed16:33
Macerlet me try flashing16:33
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Macerthis damn flasher says suitable usb device not found16:36
ShadowJKAlso in my case on both, it'd fail if I pinched phone with thumb and finger at around g h on keyboard. If I kept pinching and booting phone without a SIM, I got a message saying something like unknown telephony error emergency calls disabled16:37
ShadowJKGeneric flashing advice: unplug cable, switch off N900, remove battery, start flasher, plug in cable, insert battery16:38
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MacerAPE algorithm has to be...16:44
Macerprovided to flash all the subimages16:44
Maceri did flasher.exe RX...bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R16:45
DocScrutinizerwell you're missing -F <file to flash>16:45
Macer-F RX...bin16:45
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DocScrutinizerI'd try a more 'logical' sequence: -f --flash-only=kernel -F <file>16:47
DocScrutinizershouldn't matter16:47
DocScrutinizer-R is bogus, but also shouldn't matter16:47
Macernope .. same error16:48
infoboti guess maemo-flashing is
Macerah well.. screw it let me see if i can flash the entire image16:48
Macerthat is what i am reading :-P16:48
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DocScrutinizerflasher is a bitch16:49
Macerno i am thinking it is some retarded win7 x64 driver problem16:49
DocScrutinizerI tried giving it multiple -F, to do combined & vanilla in one command -> fails16:49
Macersuitable usb device not found16:51
Macerand it is obviously waiting16:51
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* Macer pounds his head16:53
Macerlet me go walk my happy ass into the closet and hook this thing up to a debian box16:55
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MacerApr 17 08:57:09 inducere kernel: [2028179.303831] usb 1-2: Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode)16:59
Macergo figure16:59
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MacerNOLO version 1.4.1417:10
MacerVersion of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR017:10
MacerImage SW version RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR017:10
MacerERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages17:10
Maceroh give me a break17:12
Macerlatest flasher my ass :/17:12
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Macerwhat am i looking for in dmesg?17:18
Macerthe bending the pins up didn't work :(17:18
Macer[   89.539428] * CMT rst line change detected (0)17:19
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Maceryeah.. i keep getting CMT rst line change detected :(17:24
ShadowJKhw fail17:26
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Maceri'm double checking that the pins are bent upwards one last time17:28
Macerbugzilla says a folded piece of paper between the sim and the battery may do the trick as well17:28
Macerotherwise it is a bad phone :(17:29
Macerbut it seems to occur whenever the modem is accessed17:29
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Macernope on the pins :( damn this sucks17:30
Macerwtf... talk about a jacked up device17:30
Macerusb ports breaking off.. sim cards stop working17:30
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ShadowJKin my case modem stops working also without sim :P17:31
ShadowJK(whereas working modem is capable of emergency call without sim)17:31
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Macerso i should call 911 to test it? :)17:32
Macer"sorry to bother.. just wanted to test my phone out"17:33
Maceri'd be arrested by noon17:33
Maceri shoved a piece of paper between the battery and the sim to see if pressure will help17:33
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Macerthat ......... seems to have worked17:37
Maceryou have got to be kidding me17:38
Maceryou would think bending the pins upward would have given a better contact17:38
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Macerlet me bend them safely a bit further17:39
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DocScrutinizerMacer: the paper patch approach most likely got nothing to do with SIM contacts. I'd guess it's a broken solder point somewhere under a chip or even of the SIM holder, and by applying pressure to SIM holder you also bend the PCB and thus - with a bit of luck - make the solder point contact again17:42
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Macerwell i still bent the pins upward a little more just to make sure17:43
Macerhonestly if this doesn't work i'm going to hopefully be able to RMA and just get an e7 ;)17:44
Maceri think i'm tired of n900s breaking on me17:44
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Maceri'm testing it now17:44
DocScrutinizerI requested to jonni@nokia over in #harmattan if he could ask internally for investigation results of Nokia EE department regarding this rather common error pattern. Alas it seems we need other channels into Nokia to get a proper answer17:44
Macerask about the usb ports while you're at it :-P17:45
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Macerlost the sim again17:45
Maceryeah.. i think i am just going to stay stuck with an e717:45
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Macern900 is so well built minus the insides :(17:46
DocScrutinizerMacer: USB port issue is completely "closed ticket" - there's nothing more to learn about that17:46
MacerDocScrutinizer: i'm sure... they made a piss poor design for the usb port17:46
infobotwell, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)17:46
Macermy usb port is fine for now.. it's my sim not working17:47
Maceri should see if nokia will send me an unlocked lumia 900 :)17:47
Macerwith the tmob freq17:47
DocScrutinizerall that can be done, plus Nokia assured they'd repair/swap/fix any USB issue for users suffering from that. Alas this promise didn't hold for significantly longer than 12 months :-/17:47
Macerlol.. i'm sure17:48
Macerwhat is the warranty on N900s?17:48
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Maceri got mine off ebay so i doubt they'd even honor an RMA17:48
Macereven if it was new17:48
DocScrutinizerin EU we got a general 24 months legal warranty on new goods17:49
Macerso in the us 24 hours :-P to make up for those EU laws17:49
DocScrutinizerNokia generously ignoring that fact17:49
Macerah well.. let me fill out the paperwork and see if they'll honor it17:50
Macerit is obviously not a sw problem17:51
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DocScrutinizerif you're going RMA/warranty, state CLEARLY and in RED  that you won't acept any symbian or winp7 replacement, and you also don't agree on Nokia simply keeping *your* device and shreddering it17:53
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DocScrutinizerif that's what you want17:53
* lardman wonders whether the Lumia devices accept AT commands17:55
lardmanafternoon all17:55
DocScrutinizerNokia still seems to prefer a notion like the devices are *theirs* and only lent out to users17:56
javispedrolumias accept AT commands from bill gates17:56
javispedrothe rest must pray17:56
DocScrutinizerheh! :-D17:56
lardmanI was just thinking about harvesting cellids, and thinking about the PITA of trying to get a cellmodem working on a tablet17:56
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lardmanI never thought I'd enjoy looking at VB code.....17:57
lardmanbut it beats PCI kernel driver code17:57
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lardmanmeeting starts soon or am I a TZ out?17:58
* lardman goes to make a coffee in preparation17:58
Termanalardman, starts soon17:59
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lardmanJaffa_: ping18:03
SpeedEvillardman: hey18:04
lardmanhi SpeedEvil, how's things?18:04
DocScrutinizer Council meeting (IRC - #maemo-meeting) NOW18:04
SpeedEvilI'm still spending way too much time on writing benefits appeals. :/18:04
lardmanall ye all ye come and discuss the future18:04
lardmandid Quim say he would attend? How's about Jaffa?18:05
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Jaffa_lardman: Sorry, busy at work. Joined now18:18
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Maceraccording to nokia my n900 is out of warranty18:25
Macergoing by their records18:25
Macerso now i have to dig up the receipt for this thing (which i pray i have) and try to send it in based on date of purchase18:26
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SpeedEvilSure you're within 24mo?18:27
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Macerwell i did iget it off ebay.. but it was from a distributor18:27
Macernot from a person18:27
Macerbut i don't know how they count that18:28
Macerironically enough18:28
Macerthe guy i talked to asked "have you tried putting a piece of paper between the battery and the sim?"18:28
MacerLOL wtf?18:28
Macerthis could be the catalyst i needed to ditch tmobile tho18:31
Macerif i can't manage to rma this thing then i'm done with tmobile18:31
Macerthey have crap service anyways. the only thing keeping me with them was my n900 :)18:31
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Macerthe real crappy part is the phone is a UK phone18:36
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Macerso i have to go by UK warranty.. meaning i need to ship it overseas to get it fixed lol18:36
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Maceri hope i can send this thing to the UK and actually get it repaired or replaced20:45
Maceronly one way to find out20:45
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SpeedEvilRepair - no hope.20:50
SpeedEvilI had ~the same issue in November.20:51
SpeedEvilAnd got a different phone.20:51
SpeedEvilI question the likelyhood of a replacement lumia20:51
SpeedEvildifferent non-n900 phone20:51
RST38hBetter get a Symbian phone.20:52
RST38hYes, Lumias are that bad.20:52
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Raimufreemangordon: Is this linux-backports-modules piece just the bleeding-edge wireless for kp50? Safe to install, then?23:23
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freemangordonRaimu, not only wifi drivers, but it is safe to install, it puts all the modules under /opt/lib/modules/...23:24
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RaimuWhat's the rest of it, then?23:25
RaimuI see... something bluetooth?23:25
freemangordonactually it is the whole compat-wireless23:26
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RaimuI see.23:26
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freemangordonWell, i had the dilema whether to use package only wifi drivers, but at the end decided to package everything, after all it is not so big, about 1MB in /opt23:28
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freemangordons/use package only/package only/23:28
infobotfreemangordon meant: Well, i had the dilema whether to package only wifi drivers, but at the end decided to package everything, after all it is not so big, about 1MB in /opt23:28
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