IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-04-12

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Vib3someone could add mosh to repos :p00:13
nox-thats what i was thinking :)00:13
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DocScrutinizerWTF?! my WLAN is still on the pub's AP and allegedly connected, though I left there 15 min ago and am 500m away now01:18
DocScrutinizershould've switched to GPRS and then to my home AP meanwhile...01:19
DocScrutinizeranybody ever seen this?01:19
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DocScrutinizerlooks pretty fsckdup as well: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount01:23
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DocScrutinizeror simply:01:24
DocScrutinizermount -t vfat -o $3,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir "$1" "$2" > /dev/null01:24
DocScrutinizerWTF is *THAT*?01:24
DocScrutinizersorry, ECHAN01:25
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ShadowJKthe "right" parameters ;-)01:35
DocScrutinizerWLAN disaster start:  smells like wl1251 freakout01:37
DocScrutinizeror I managed to drop into a race condition01:39
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* DocScrutinizer feeds ICD2 to the hypnotoad ( )01:40
jacekowskitalking about wireless01:40
jacekowskii've noticed one thing01:40
jacekowskiwhen i run linux on my laptop01:41
jacekowskiit has all that regulatory domain crap and stuff01:41
jacekowskifor wifi01:41
jacekowskiand it somehow detects country where laptop is located at the moment01:41
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jacekowskibecause it somehow managed to detect that i'm in belgium01:41
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DocScrutinizerit's a hoax01:42
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DocScrutinizerit doesn't "detect" that01:42
DocScrutinizerit gets it from your TZ, LOCALE, whatever01:42
jacekowskiit's set to uk01:43
jacekowskii've started it up in belgium, and it detected belgium01:43
DocScrutinizerI guess you got a belgium device01:43
DocScrutinizerless -f <CAL>01:44
jacekowskii'm talking about laptop not phone01:44
DocScrutinizerthen it's set un your wlan card01:44
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jacekowskithing is it detected belgium and when i was back in the uk it detected uk01:45
DocScrutinizerNFC how THAT shall work01:45
jacekowski802.11 country information01:46
jacekowskiAPs can provide an ISO/IEC 3166-1 country code and a channel list (with associated max tx power setting.)01:46
DocScrutinizera few years ago there was an april's fool in IT mag c't, that pretended to detect where you are, and they used TZ etc to find out, rather than spinning HDD as compass01:46
DocScrutinizermhm, blame AP01:47
jacekowskikinda scary01:48
jacekowskibig brother kinda scary01:48
DocScrutinizertell your IP you're on your very own island and you're king there ;-D01:48
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infobotDocScrutinizer meant: tell your AP you're on your very own island and you're king there ;-D01:48
* DocScrutinizer curses a bit about yesterday's drive-by asker with his allegedly broken kbd backlight, then wanders off for chillout01:52
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peterbjornx /help02:17
peterbjornxoopss sticky spacebar02:17
peterbjornxso, is there any way to flash rootfs from a bash shell with only basic unix utilities and mtd-utils + ubi utils?02:22
peterbjornxi have the image on the device02:22
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djhenryhello, I'm looking for troubleshooting assistance for my n900.  Is this an appropriate channel for questions?02:26
Neutron_ask away, maybe it is :P02:27
Neutron_I am wondering if there is some little CLI application for maemo that will simply run, get the current GPS coordinates, then quit02:27
Neutron_I just want to be able to trace my phone in case I lose it or it is stolen or whatever, then I can SSH into it and run that, then look up the coordinates on google maps02:28
djhenryI'm not sure exactly what to search on for this problem.  Some section of my file system is not available (the big one) and I'm not sure how long it's been gone or what I did to lose it.02:28
djhenryI don't remember what the mount was called02:29
merlin1991Neutron_: pyside exposes the qt-mobility api02:29
merlin1991should be easy to hack that up02:29
merlin1991djhenry: do you mean /home/user/MyDocs ?02:29
peterbjornxi dont really know about the n900 gps but usually it is exposed as a serial port interface02:29
merlin1991are you by any chance using cssu-testing?02:29
djhenryI think I'm talking about MyDocs but I still appear to have that mounted with some stuff in it02:30
djhenryI am using cssu-testing but I didn't realize that until after the fact.  I thought I was using stable.02:30
merlin1991djhenry: check if you have a proper script in /etc/init.d/ke-recv02:31
peterbjornxalso, if i am to ditch the NAND rootfs altogether and put my rootfs on the eMMC or a sdcard, what parts would i need to edit besides udev rules and preinit02:31
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merlin1991djhenry: if you have a symlink instead of a scriptfile follow this:
djhenryI have ke-recv -> /lib/init/upstart-job and ke-recv.dpkg-new02:34
peterbjornxthats a symlink02:34
djhenryok, I'll check it out02:34
Neutron_I see, well I was hoping to find something ready made, I am not a programmer, so can't do much :>02:34
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fortytwoNeutron_: SMSCON will send you GPS coordinates in a message, maybe that would suit your purposes02:37
Neutron_fortytwo: interesting, I will look into that02:39
Neutron_hopefully it can be configured to take commands over 3G or wifi as well, so it can be found even if it the finder removes the SIM from it02:40
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Neutron_I really wish nokia would have followed up the maemo platform more than they did02:54
Neutron_maemo was the phone/tablet OS I liked best by far02:54
peterbjornxyeah, it stucks that they killed it02:55
peterbjornxi think it was too fragile and too complicated for end users02:55
Neutron_yeah but that is a result of lack of support02:56
Neutron_with more support from nokia there could have been a larger community of developers to make user friendly applications02:56
peterbjornxalmost did it :p02:57
peterbjornxive got a n900 without usb jack02:57
peterbjornxand i bricked it02:57
peterbjornxnow im trying to put maemo on sd card for it to boot02:57
Neutron_I see. no way to fix the USB jack?02:58
Neutron_or get a semi okish connection just to reflash it02:58
peterbjornxthis one rippedd of the traces from the pcb02:58
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Neutron_aaah sucks02:58
peterbjornxmy previous one just broke the solder02:58
Neutron_does it take a charge then?02:58
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peterbjornxthis one is fubar02:58
peterbjornxi have a external charger02:59
Neutron_in my country there would be a 5 year warranty on such things02:59
Neutron_assuming you didn't break it yourself by accident02:59
peterbjornxyeah they give you a N8 for it02:59
peterbjornxtried that trick once02:59
peterbjornxthe law dictates 2 years in my country but my old one still had official warranty02:59
Neutron_which OS does the N8 have?03:00
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peterbjornxthat new symbian os from nokia03:00
peterbjornxxcept for os choice and CPU its a nice phone03:01
Neutron_no keyboard though03:01
peterbjornxits got a 600mhz armv5 core03:01
peterbjornxthat too03:01
peterbjornxand its locked so no linux custom roms03:01
Neutron_that's a real killer with new devices.03:01
Neutron_silly touch screen03:01
Neutron_I'd never take that phone as a replacement for the N900.. :P03:02
djhenryis dsmetool -b any different than just rebooting the phone?03:03
peterbjornxi had no choice03:04
Neutron_good night03:04
peterbjornxits more like a reset button push03:04
djhenryah, it does seem quite a bit faster03:04
peterbjornxkernel immediately reboots instead of graceful shutdown03:04
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peterbjornxsometimes my desktop linux scares me03:05
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peterbjornxnautilus warned: could not inhibit power mgmt03:05
peterbjornxwhy the hell would a filemanager need to do that03:05
Neutron_do OEM nokia batteries normally have a production date stamp on them?03:06
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peterbjornxmine only hasa serial03:07
Neutron_some time ago I went and bought a new genuine battery, but it didn't really have much more capacity than my old one.. then suddenly it got so bad that I switched back to the old battery03:07
Neutron_but it might have been on the shelf for a long time03:08
Neutron_Li-ion batteries degrade even when they are not used03:08
peterbjornxthey degrade worse when not used than when used iirc03:08
Neutron_not really sure, but they are said to be best stored at 70% of its full charge, but if you leave it over time I guess the charge dies so it degrades faster than when it is used03:09
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peterbjornxalmost got my sdcard-rootfs to work it just wont mount /dev properly proc,sysfs dont get mounted at all03:10
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jpinxpeterbjornx: running what os the sd card?03:11
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peterbjornxi got my rootfs bricked and dont have a usb jack anymore03:13
peterbjornxluckily i had uboot installed03:13
jpinxpeterbjornx: nice move - hope you get it working and write up a how-to ;)03:14
peterbjornxhow to would be hard03:15
jpinxall n900 usb jacks are doomed to fail one day I reckon ;)03:15
peterbjornxits really a bit of trial on error03:15
* jpinx installs uboot as a precaution03:15
peterbjornxive burnt thru 3 already03:15
peterbjornxuboot is really nice in that it also allows for loading a kernel from storage03:15
peterbjornxso no flasher involved but full freedom with software03:16
jpinxnice - will it do massive upgrades without reflashing?03:17
peterbjornxlike what?03:17
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peterbjornxkernel upgrade just requires a sd card with a 3 partition layout, fat16 on the 3rd witha uboot kernel img03:17
jpinxmy "other" n900 has the original OS version from years back ;)03:18
jpinxI bought it cheap from a guy who couldn't be assed to sort it out03:18
peterbjornxhow much do you think a spare lcd assembly sells for ?03:19
jpinxhe's been given an iPhone ;)03:19
jpinxI replaced the screen and it was all good03:19
jpinxthe new screen cost more than the used n900 ;)03:19
peterbjornxwell i got a working display assembly i dont need03:20
peterbjornxso im thinking about selling it03:20
jpinx"display assembly" being what - the complete slider and screen?03:20
peterbjornxive had 3 n900s so far03:21
jpinxwow - shame our timing is not so good - I'd have taken that ;)03:21
peterbjornx1 i sent to repair for usb, got a N8 back03:21
jpinxI have 2 n900 - one in daily use and another to play with03:21
peterbjornxnext one had a series of unfortunate accidents and ended up with a fried mobo03:21
peterbjornx3rd i bought for the mobo03:21
jpinxpeterbjornx: what's that n8 like?03:22
peterbjornxnice hardware, shit cpu/os03:22
jpinxhmmm --  confirms what others have said03:22
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jpinxpoor nokia - they really have lost their way now03:22
jpinxand their latest offering with W7 has some hiccup I hear03:22
peterbjornxidk but i use win8, and i gotta say, metro sucks03:23
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jpinxthey strap the devs with such tight budgets they can't really get it right03:24
jpinxI know a guy who worked on maemo for the n900 and he was so apologetic, but it was lack of budget/time that screwed it03:24
jpinxhe works for google now :/03:25
peterbjornxive read the comments in the scripts03:25
peterbjornxthere all like : XXX - This sucks but we had no time/money/we good reason03:25
jpinxshame really - maemo had a good chance to become the first true competitor for android03:26
jpinxbut that's life I guess03:27
peterbjornxthe only thing i hate about maemo is the crude init setup03:27
peterbjornxhow they turned linux into a single user single session os03:27
jpinxlots of the apps have wierd behaviour03:28
jpinxyes - they had to hack it badly to get that user thing going03:28
peterbjornx#exec /bin/boot_maesd03:28
peterbjornxerrors, MALFUNCTION- Starting shell03:28
peterbjornxgood thing that i modded it to log to fbcon03:29
jpinxhas anyone had any success in reverting maemo to be multi user ?03:29
peterbjornxnot yet03:29
peterbjornxshould be possible03:29
peterbjornxits just lots of work03:29
peterbjornxand very confusing03:29
jpinxit'd take a lot of work03:29
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jpinxfor dubious reward...03:30
jpinxapart from the satisfaction03:30
peterbjornxand turning maemo into a proper distro03:30
jpinxthey must have put thumb-screws on the linux coder to make him do that03:30
peterbjornxor at least the first step towards that03:30
peterbjornxthose pieces of script are the ones with the most of the HACK,XXX and TODOs03:31
peterbjornxthere was intent to resolve this03:31
peterbjornxbut instead they turned a WIP os RTM way early03:32
jpinxyes - I get the drift of long-term intentions to really open up maemo03:32
jpinxbut nokia had so many problems (still has)03:32
peterbjornxwhat do you think about their new ceo03:33
peterbjornxbit suspicious the whole deal03:33
peterbjornxnew ceo, ex ms employee03:33
peterbjornxnext they embrace wp03:33
jpinxstinks ;)03:35
peterbjornxi see why my os wont boot03:35
peterbjornxim using meego kernel03:35
peterbjornxand its not loading all the modules needed for maemo03:35
jpinxee's got the windos logo tatooed somewhere ;)  hehe03:35
jpinxone of the 'Borg'03:36
peterbjornxyea, somethign like that03:36
jpinxOoops - need the right kernel ;)03:36
peterbjornxim so glad i took the time to set up a preboot env on my sdcard03:36
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peterbjornxit provides me with a bash shell and most tools before it even mounts the real root fs03:37
jpinxpeterbjornx: when you get the sdcard booting, dd it and put up a link ;)03:37
peterbjornxi will03:37
peterbjornxbtw i also had to undo the whole mmcblk swap thingy03:38
peterbjornxin the new setup i will have 0 as sd, 1 as emmc03:38
merlin1991peterbjornx: any idea why the sawp is there in the first place?03:38
jpinxthe real fun would be to get grub running and allow optional main card or sdcard booting ;)03:38
peterbjornxbackwards compatibility i guess03:38
peterbjornxthe rules file that does it is called n770.rules03:39
merlin1991it seems that at least blkid on maemo is haxx0red to always show the internal mmc as 003:39
peterbjornxany ideas what modules maemo absolutely needs to boot03:39
peterbjornxthat are built in to the stock kernel03:40
merlin1991never checked that03:40
jpinxnot really - I have never needed to look03:40
merlin1991btw I also love how a lot of gconf related stuff always says "I've been haxx0red to use xy as a loctaion"03:40
jpinxyea - lots of evidence of unhappy coders03:41
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peterbjornxi still gotta get used to all those alternative init's03:41
peterbjornxmy brain is still hardwired to editing sysv style config03:42
jpinxdunno who wrote the intial specification that demanded maemo to be so non-standard linux03:42
peterbjornxmaybe in systemwide aspects03:42
peterbjornxbut the userland it provides is the most standard i've seen in stock roms for any phone/tablet03:43
peterbjornxand now my moms woken up03:43
peterbjornxits 3 in the morningherr03:43
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merlin1991gotta love the 1st comment on the /. story about backtrack03:46
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vsrinivashi folks! has mozilla stopped fennec maemo builds?05:51
vsrinivashaven't seen a build since december 18 2011, but dunno if there are other sites possible05:55
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SpeedEvilI don't recall a newer one06:00
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SpeedEvil - why texting in public is a bad idea09:44
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qchnhey folks.10:24
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TimmyPali: hi, are you awake?11:36
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PaliTimmy, hi!11:36
TimmyPali: morning buddy11:37
Timmyhere:  in section of How to create bootmenu entry for U-Boot: you said create an item under /etc/bootmenu.d/11:37
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Timmybut there is no bootmenu.d directory in my phone11:38
Timmyshould i create it?11:38
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PaliTimmy, yes11:40
Paliif not exist, create it11:40
TimmyPali: ok thanks, and about maemo kernel dualboot, i have not installed kernel power yet, how can i install this dualboot? should i install kernel power first? or just extract the zImage of kernel power under /boot ?11:43
Paliinstall package kernel-power-bootimg11:43
Paliin HAM is under name linux kernel for power user (boot image)11:44
Timmybut it will flash the kernel power and it will replace the uboot11:44
Paliboot image install only zImage to /boot and modules into /lib/modules11:44
Paliboot image not flashing kernel11:44
Timmyok , thank you :)11:46
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MohammadAGtrumee: I have a wifi model, the 3G model can probably tether yes12:38
MohammadAGIOS tethers over infrastructure rather than wifi12:38
MohammadAGYou can tether to a ps312:38
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qchnAre some dudes around who tried to install a Window-Manager on their N900? Just because it's possible. :)12:54
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TimmyPali: me again :D13:32
Timmyit worked for me,13:32
Timmynow, how can i create a menu entry for nitdroid?13:33
SpeedEvil - the future13:45
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domedanHi! I'm trying to install sflphone-client-gnome, but it depends on sflphone-common (= 0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo8) and the one in the respository is 0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo3, I got "deb fremantle free" in my hildon-application-manager.list (tried fremantle-1.3 but apt-get update gives me a strange message when using that) any advise how to solve this?15:59
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FIQ|n900I've always wondered, why isn't the "Add exception" window (about certificates) done to use Maemo's window manager properly?16:07
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qchnI'd love to have mosh on my n900. :(16:14
fluxwhy the sad face, seems totally feasible?16:15
qchn oh!16:15
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qchnGnah, how can I type a ">" on my N900. :D16:22
SiceloFn, then Ctrl (Sym)16:23
Siceloor you can remap your keyboard16:23
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qchnSicelo: haha, thanks.16:24
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DocScrutinizerdomedan: I wonder why you wanna install sflphone17:14
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Macerdo any idea on where will move to?17:22
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Macerdamn.. wouldn't mind unlocking olajuwon17:22
Macerdamn guy was by far the best center that ever played17:23
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Macerok maybe not the best but still17:30
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DocScrutinizerhonestly, you're making a bit too much fuss about all that admin stuff17:45
DocScrutinizerok, Nokia silently let die e.g.
ShadowJKis it totally dead or just incompatible17:47
DocScrutinizerbut I still guess they will boggle from discontinuing all together17:47
ShadowJKbecause at one point a year or so ago it did become incompatible with Diablo while still working in fremantle17:47
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: supl? seems it bitrot17:47
DocScrutinizerlack of administration, I guess. Probably the syslog is clogged17:48
* ShadowJK should check if it still works on his S60v3 devices17:49
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DocScrutinizeror the box got rooted, or whatever17:49
ShadowJKiirc on Diablo the issue was something with ssl certs17:49
DocScrutinizerquite possible17:49
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DocScrutinizerthough last thing I heard was it's failing for *some* of the geoIP'd machines only17:50
DocScrutinizerand suggestion been to use IP instead of URL17:50
DocScrutinizerthis may have changed without me noticing though17:51
* ShadowJK wonders if it works on N917:51
DocScrutinizerlast time I tested, it seemed to work17:51
DocScrutinizerobviously I haven't checked which supl IP it used17:52
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harbaumIs there a way to upload closed source to the repo? The latest version of CacheMe contains a "secret key" to access the Live API and thus cannot be open source anymore17:52
harbaumAlso it's using qt mobility 1.2 and imho this isn't supported by the nokia store, is it?17:52
DocScrutinizerharbaum: I honestly hope there isn't17:53
ShadowJKisn't opera in extras..17:53
DocScrutinizeryou can upload stuff to non-free17:53
DocScrutinizerno friggin closed stuff in free though17:54
ShadowJKyeah opera is in non-free17:54
DocScrutinizerthe idea to upload binary to obfuscate a sekrit-key is ridiculous17:55
DocScrutinizerwhile "store" is a completely different topic now17:56
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DocScrutinizeraaah, you thought you may upload blobs to store instead. Nah, there's non-free in extra repo17:57
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ShadowJKbuild one with blank key. Binary patcher in non-free ;p17:57
domedanDocScrutinizer: because it supports IAX217:57
DocScrutinizervalid point17:58
DocScrutinizerthanks for explaining17:58
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domedanmy plesure ;) got any advice on my problem?17:58
DocScrutinizerI guess there might be different versions in extras and *-devel17:59
DocScrutinizerotherwise, you *might* try to advice apt to ignore version conflicts17:59
DocScrutinizerstl like --ignore-depends or --force-yes or whatever (sorry, waiting for coffee to kick in)18:00
DocScrutinizerdomedan: probably maemo package interface is a good starting point for you18:01
DocScrutinizeralso an apt-cache policy <yourpkg> may help18:02
harbaumDocScrutinizer: Why is it so stupid to protect a secret key that way? It leaves the app only via ssl and isn't store as a string.18:03
harbaumOther question: Now that the old cacheme version is severely broken, is there a way to remove it rom the repo?18:03
DocScrutinizerone welknown notorious concept: security by obscurity18:04
DocScrutinizernever worked for FOSS18:04
harbaumBut that's how it is. Groundspeak doesn't allow me to publish the keys as such which releasing the source would mean.18:05
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DocScrutinizerget an GUI to config the key, offer a website where user mus register to get the key18:05
harbaumSo every user can get access to the key and do malicious things with it?18:06
DocScrutinizerI mean, where from *you* got the key then?18:06
harbaumI got it by email18:06
DocScrutinizerso why can't I?18:06
DocScrutinizerand insert it to your app that's still shipping FOSS with src, and a GUI to insert that key18:07
harbaumBecause you are not the developer of my app.18:07
DocScrutinizerand without that key - obviously18:07
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harbaumThe key identifies tha application (not the user) and is in turn used to initiuate an oauth process which will _then_ give a user token18:08
DocScrutinizerharbaum: do whatever you like, don't hope for any help from FOSS community, particularly me18:08
harbaumWow ... this is pretty hostile ...18:09
domedanDocScrutinizer: Thank you for the feedback, I can find the package-site I want but the .deb-file link is broken, and if I try to find an older sflphone-client-gnome I only get 404 on the .deb-packages18:09
DocScrutinizerdomedan: dang18:09
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DocScrutinizerI'll have a look into it in a minute18:10
infobot:), DocScrutinizer18:10
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domedanDocScrutinizer: great!18:11
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DocScrutinizerharbaum: encapsulate your sekrit-thingie in a minimal lib that you invoke from your open source 99.9% of app, and ship that minimal blob lib with your app, and with src in hex18:15
DocScrutinizershouldn't be more than keysize + 1k18:15
harbaumDocScrutinizer: That way anyone can take the lib and ask it for the key. That littlle lib would have to contain the entire authentication. But in the end it also wouldn't be open source18:16
harbaumThe general idea is funny: Convert a whole binary into a hey string which in turn is partof a source that you put under GPL ...18:17
DocScrutinizerfriggin shit, do you really thing I wouldn't disassemble your whole silly closed blob app programtext in just the same time?18:17
DocScrutinizerand as well get that key?18:17
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harbaumSure you can get the key by disassembly.18:19
Maceri was just asking about just because you never know when nokia might finally just go under and liquidate18:20
Macerright now it's down another 4%18:21
Macerjust saying18:21
harbaumI haven't really come up with a clever solution. I was thinking about placing the key on a server, but to access that you'd again need a secret which you'd have to store somewhere18:23
harbaumHow do other people implement oauth clients?18:23
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qchnGosh, 2hours playing around with was too much for my N900, it won't boot anymore. :(19:03
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ShadowJKMacer; they have enough cash for now to buy themselves19:23
ShadowJKor thereabouts19:24
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DocScrutinizermoinmoin javispedro20:30
DocScrutinizerscan chanlog of cssu of today, I guess you'll like what we found out and done regarding friggin msdos mtools et al20:31
javispedrome, what is the problem?20:34
DocScrutinizerless /etc/mtools.conf is one problem, dosfslabel --version another20:36
DocScrutinizerwe decided to deprecate mtools, and get a new hopefully bugfree version of dosfslabel20:37
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qchndoes anyone know how to repair a broken n900, simply flashing it again?20:38
DocScrutinizergo CSSU, go!20:38
DocScrutinizerqchn: err???20:38
qchnDocScrutinizer: mh?20:38
qchnit won't boot.20:39
DocScrutinizerqchn: don't you think it's next to impossible to answer a question as fuzzy as yours?20:39
qchnAll I can do is watch the boot-animation.20:39
DocScrutinizerwell, that's a lot ore of helpful info - just reflash as a first measure20:39
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qchnDocScrutinizer: kay, sorry.20:40
qchnI hope the tools are supporting apple-crap-os.20:40
DocScrutinizerqchn: afaik they don't20:40
DocScrutinizerat least not as up-to-date as linux tools20:41
DocScrutinizerno idea, honestly20:41
DocScrutinizercan't recall somebody mentioning he'd use a mac to flash his N90020:41
Neutron_because if someone buys a mac they also buy an iphone, not an N900, so that scenario has never turned up.20:42
DocScrutinizersome 2 years ago, we had quite a number of <user>-mbp in here, iirc. Also they didn't mention something I could remember now20:43
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DocScrutinizerqchn: anyway, look at that site - read it *completely* and carefully:20:44
infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is
DocScrutinizerwhat's not mentioned there is not supported I'd say20:45
javispedroDocScrutinizer: no idea what the problem with mtools is!20:45
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: it's fsckdup by concept20:45
javispedroworks very well here :P20:46
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: do less /etc/mtools.conf and you'll understand it can't work "well"20:46
javispedroI see on the logs that you discovered that there are drive letter mappings on that file20:46
javispedrobut "-i <imagefile/device>"20:46
javispedroand _I_ do use letter mappings20:47
javispedroyou can do stuff like mcopy c:*.* a: as shortcuts then20:47
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: there's o mapping for mmcblkNp220:47
javispedroyou do not need to add a mapping20:47
javispedrom* -i /dev/whatever20:47
javispedroand if you want to refer to the file in -i, just use "::" as drive20:47
javispedroe.g. mcopy -i file.img ::*.* c:20:48
DocScrutinizerwe don't need friggin mcopy, we're about to change partition labels20:48
javispedrobut actually, it would be good if you were to provide a mapping =)20:48
javispedroand mlabel -i does not work?20:49
DocScrutinizernot even looked into it20:49
javispedromlabel -i /dev/mmcblkWHATEVER ::20:49
DocScrutinizerthe idea of a mapping file and drive letters induced immediate -EWTF20:49
javispedroit's kinda convenience function20:50
DocScrutinizerthen wtf does scan that file to find out about drive letter?20:50
javispedrohmm? no idea about maemo specifics20:50
javispedrolemme check if it still does that in harm20:51
javispedrocan't find mmc-rename =)20:52
DocScrutinizermeanwhile: [2012-04-12 19:39:44] <freemangordon> dosfstools_3.0.12-0cssu0 pushed on gitorious and uploaded in -devel repo :P20:52
javispedrowell, do as you wish20:52
javispedroIMHO, mtools is better, but that's my $0.0220:53
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# which mmc-rename.sh20:53
javispedro(aka nothing to worry about)20:53
javispedroDocScrutinizer, nah, not in harm seemingly20:54
DocScrutinizer# convert device name to an MS-DOS-style drive letter20:54
DocScrutinizerL=`eval grep '\"$DEV\"' /etc/mtools.conf | awk '{print $2}' | sed 's/://'`20:54
DocScrutinizerif [ "x$L" = x ]; then20:54
DocScrutinizer  echo "$0: could not determine drive letter"20:54
DocScrutinizerwho cares about HARM? over in CSSU?20:54
DocScrutinizeror even here20:55
javispedronot that I have a N900 around atm.20:55
javispedroDocScrutinizer, can only thing two reasons they'd do that: either the version of mtools they ship does not support -i, or _some_ version of mtools in a previous NIT did not and this file stuck that way since then20:56
DocScrutinizersince we didn't feel like investigating (maybe not a good attitude), we for now preferred dosfslabel20:57
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DocScrutinizersince this is straight forward fix to stock maemo version of same prog anyway20:58
javispedronot arguing20:58
RST38hjavispedro, moo20:58
RST38hheya doc20:58
DocScrutinizerhey RST38h20:58
javispedroI don't think I've _ever_ used mmc-rename, so not that I care =)20:58
javispedromoo RST38h20:58
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: same here - I'd never ever trust HFM to mess with my partitions, and afaik for good reason, seems it never really worked that reliably anyway20:59
DocScrutinizermake that HFM, hal, ke-recv et al20:59
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DocScrutinizerOOOOOH a PLAN-B again21:00
DocScrutinizerlong time no see! ;-P21:00
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ruskieDocScrutinizer, more like they need it21:02
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DocScrutinizermore like "Nokia is doomed anyway"21:04
DocScrutinizerunless some brilliant head understands to unleash the cryo-hibernated potential of maemo21:05
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bindinew maemo phone with qwerty and blazing fast speeds21:06
bindii'm sold21:06
* bindi prepares to sell his flagship android phone21:06
ruskieI'd actually be happy with a gnu+linux based featurephone21:06
ruskiepreferably with a 7day standby time21:06
DocScrutinizerruskie: strip down maemo fremantle to what you get with a featurephone, and I guearnatee you get 7 days standby21:08
ruskieconsidering I already get 4days with the n900 ;)21:08
ruskieand I just got it a fresh battery last week21:09
DocScrutinizerjust kicking out mail, all widgets like weather etc, skype and other nonsense, and you probably are there already21:10
DocScrutinizeradd a real non-fsckdup auto-disconnect, to avoid GPRS inbound taffic hogging modem TX, and done you are21:11
ruskiemost of that I already have21:11
ruskiedon't have weather21:12
ruskiedon't have skype(removed)21:12
ruskiedon't have mail auto checking21:12
ruskieauto-disconnect but I usually manually disconnect anyway21:12
* DocScrutinizer still needs to kick modest21:12
ruskiestill do switch 2/3/3.5g21:13
ruskiebut as said... I get 4 days more or less easily out of it(according to battery eye)21:13
ruskiethough in the last 6 months it was dropping to 2 days max21:14
ruskiehence the new battery21:14
DocScrutinizerapt-get remove --purge battery-eye and you'll get 7 ;-P21:14
ruskieheh that bad?21:14
ruskieI already have most apps set to never pre-launch21:15
DocScrutinizerhey, battery-eye needs to do quite some stuff on a scheduled basis21:16
DocScrutinizeron a pretty idle system like yours it will create 50 to 80 % of cpu load21:16
ruskieso does cronjob21:16
ruskiethough considering it sleeps between jobs not an issue21:16
DocScrutinizernot alarmed21:16
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ruskiefcron eve21:17
ampharosWe poor N800 users are always neglected. Never anything going on in the N800, always N90021:17
DocScrutinizeraiui libalarmd which alarmed is using just uses hw-clock alarm for timer21:17
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DocScrutinizerfcron afaik is not using libalarmd, thus is hogging CPU with frequent wakeups21:18
ruskieit's sleeping21:19
DocScrutinizerpossibly every second21:19
ruskieit's smart about that21:19
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ruskieit actually sleeps until it has a job21:19
DocScrutinizermhm, good then21:19
ruskiewhich is why I like it21:19
DocScrutinizerwell, alarmed does same21:20
ruskieis there an alarmedcron?21:20
DocScrutinizeralarmed is an app21:20
ruskieyeah am aware of that21:21
DocScrutinizerwith proper cron-alike cmdline syntax21:21
DocScrutinizercourtesy DocScrutinizer21:21
ruskiewould just find it more interesting if it was cron-like to use21:21
DocScrutinizerlike in crontab?21:22
Siceloampharos: ?21:22
ruskiehmm already have 2g only unless data connection setup21:22
DocScrutinizerI suggested to augment it to monitor the files of cron(tab) and also store jobs there21:22
ampharosAnything (esp. modern) about NITs online and/or Maemo is basically N900 only21:23
DocScrutinizerbut since we have no proper crontab either, at least in stock maemo, why would I (as user) want it and prefer it over a nice GUI like alarmed has21:24
ruskieto each their own21:24
ruskiewhich is why I like maemo so much21:24
DocScrutinizeranyway you can set up an alias for alarmed to get a cmdline editor version of crontab21:26
DocScrutinizerit's just lacking the vi frontend21:26
DocScrutinizeryou could emulate that via crontab+diff I guess21:27
ruskieehh I'll survive with fcron21:28
ruskiebut did get rid of battery-eye to see if it will change anything21:28
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Vib3fcron eats more battery than alarmed? :o21:29
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ruskiewho said that?21:29
Vib3understood that from DocScrutinizer's talk21:30
Vib3< DocScrutinizer> fcron afaik is not using libalarmd, thus is hogging CPU with frequent wakeups21:30
Vib3or did I understood wrong?21:30
ruskieread further21:31
ruskiedon't take stuff out of context ;)21:31
ruskiefcron sleeps between jobs21:31
ruskieit knows how long it needs to sleep21:31
ruskieand only wakes up when it has something to do21:31
DocScrutinizerand since maemo is a smart OS, the sleep that'S used for that is mapped to libalarmd21:32
DocScrutinizereven if fcron doesn't directly use libalarmd21:32
DocScrutinizeror rather, timers in maemo are special, and not quite like on any arbitrary desktop linux21:33
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DocScrutinizerruskie: you could check elapsed CPU time for a fcrond(aemon) that's supposed to idle21:42
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DocScrutinizeryou could also run powertop for an extended observation period (I gather it can do way longer check periods than the default 30(?) seconds)21:43
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# powertop --help all  ->>   -t %d    Sample interval21:45
ruskieI'll check the time once I get something for it on the system21:45
ruskietop and ps on the n900 by default seem to not have anything interesting21:46
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DocScrutinizeranyway there's one elementary difference between fcron and alarmed afaik: I guess fcron has a daemon at all, alarmed doesn't need that as it uses generic (lib)alarmd functions, which load any additional executable into RAM and execute it on demand only21:48
DocScrutinizerso alarmed doesn't even show up in a 'usual' ps or top or powertop21:49
DocScrutinizerI'd say that makes it probably hard to beat it regarding powerconsumption and resources needed at large, during 'idle'21:51
DocScrutinizerwhile for fcron all that maybe is no concern as well, but for sure needs check to get some reliable figures21:51
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ledIgagaHi, if i run gcc or g++ on file with only main func i get these, /var/tmp/ccGIy4WU.s: Assembler messages:n/var/tmp/ccGIy4WU.s:46: rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different, a.out is working though22:06
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peterbjornxso, anyone here?22:44
ledIgagapeter NOBODY22:45
peterbjornxthat theres people in the room doesnt mean anyone is active22:46
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peterbjornxso what binary/script handles cgroup in maemo22:48
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DocScrutinizerpeterbjornx: a bit more context might help23:16
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DocScrutinizerTADAAA 304 users :-)23:18
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DocScrutinizer305 :-D23:18
peterbjornxwell im trying to run maemo with the meego kernel23:19
peterbjornxand its freezing with errors on cgrp23:19
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MohammadAGtrumee: Pong23:20
trumeeMohammadAG: can ipad wifi model tether to an N900?23:20
DocScrutinizerpeterbjornx: this won't work23:20
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peterbjornxwhy not?23:20
MohammadAGAnd where would it get the original connection?23:20
trumeeMohammadAG: ipad <>N900<>3g23:21
DocScrutinizermaemo kernel is... special23:21
peterbjornxi've got it to Xorg23:21
MohammadAGN900 to iPad?23:21
MohammadAGThe iPad supports ad hoc23:21
trumeeMohammadAG: i have 3g connection on N900, and want ipad to use N900 internet23:21
MohammadAGJoikuSpot or MobileHotspot23:21
trumeeMohammadAG: cool23:22
MohammadAGThere's nothing special about the iPad wifi23:22
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trumeeMohammadAG: how about tethering over usb or bluetooth, is that possible?23:22
DocScrutinizeriPad and USB???23:22
peterbjornxdoes the ipad support any kind of usb networking23:23
MohammadAGUmm wait23:23
DocScrutinizerI didn't know it had any receptacles at all ;-P23:23
MohammadAGI meant you can tether the ipad's 3G connection over wifi bt and USB23:23
trumeeMohammadAG: right. The ipad i have is wifi only model and still packaged so i dont know what ports it has :)23:24
peterbjornxit should be possible to hack something together23:24
DocScrutinizerseriously, does iPad support USB host?23:24
peterbjornxtethering usually works via usb net23:24
MohammadAGThere's some accessory for it DocScrutinizer23:24
MohammadAGCosts a fortune23:25
DocScrutinizerI bet23:25
peterbjornxso it should be bidirectional if you can trick the ipad to use the n900 as gateway23:25
MohammadAGIt's for cards afaik23:25
DocScrutinizeror you use h-e-n and iPad as USB gadget ;-P23:25
MohammadAGThe ipad's connectors have a bit of proprietary in them23:26
MohammadAGLike the 3.5mm jack have a guitar amp23:26
DocScrutinizerthey got WHAT?23:26
DocScrutinizer3.5AV has a guitar amp?23:27
peterbjornxso whats so special about the maemo kernel23:27
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: please rephrase :-)23:27
DocScrutinizerpeterbjornx: some ABIs/APIs23:28
MohammadAGThe 3.5AV can take a guitar as input23:28
DocScrutinizersome sysfs23:28
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peterbjornxi've run into some of those already23:28
MohammadAGWith some fortune costing accessory23:28
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: the iPad's?23:28
peterbjornxthe whole getbootstate shit23:28
MohammadAGYes afaik23:28
MohammadAGFor GarageBand23:28
peterbjornxi made a workaround for that23:28
MohammadAGThe iPad's connector at the bottom can be a host for many accessories too23:29
MohammadAGThough again, they cost a lot23:29
DocScrutinizerpeterbjornx: I'm not aware of all the incompatibilities, it boils down to meego kernel's version being "too new"23:29
peterbjornxi fixed the GPU usermode shit23:30
DocScrutinizerso the incompatibilities basically are all that's changed from 2.38? to whatever 3.0? meego is using23:30
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DocScrutinizererr 2.6.2823:31
peterbjornxim using the 2.6.37 is what im using23:31
MrPinguHmm iptables seem not to like pk50?23:31
DocScrutinizerping pali23:31
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NIN101peterbjornx: did you use pali's /proc/bootreason patch?23:34
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peterbjornxno i just modified preinit23:39
peterbjornxand the dsme event.d script23:40
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NIN101did you recompile the kernel to support write on ubifs?23:42
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MrPingusorry my bad, iptables seem to work fine... I was doing it from the wrong terminal(chroot)23:42
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peterbjornxno, i got rootfs on sdcard23:44
NIN101ah ok.23:44
peterbjornxi kinda broke my rootfs and i have no usb port23:44
peterbjornxluckily i had uboot23:44
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peterbjornxfound the problem, its stuck in rcS-late23:53
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