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| peterbjornx | oops | 00:25 |
| peterbjornx | jeez i just got a kernel oops on my dev machine | 00:26 |
| peterbjornx | never had that before | 00:26 |
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| peterbjornx | i think i did it | 01:07 |
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| peterbjornx | does anybody here have a maemo compatible kernel with fbcon and watchdog built-in? | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | peterbjornx: Think I have one on MohammadAG.xceleo.org/public | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't PK meet all those criteria? | 01:35 |
| NIN101 | at least fbcon, iirc, is not built-in | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | Not fbcon | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1-pr13 | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | It's omap1 so existing modules should work | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~fbcon | 01:36 |
| infobot | well, fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so, no bootmsgs on pk? | 01:37 |
| NIN101 | only if you edit /sbin/preinit | 01:37 |
| NIN101 | and add modprobe fbcon somewhere. | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, maybe my ancient kernel is a bit special in that regard | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Linux t900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | always thought it does bootmsgs "OOTB" | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that I'd boot this device frequently | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually did 13 days ago, with an uptime of >200 days iirc | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | haven't watched the bootprocess though | 01:40 |
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| user | is there any way to force the 3G connection to automatically reconnect after it has dropped? | 03:01 |
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| user | not all applications seem to make it reconnect when it is configured to automatically connect in the settings | 03:02 |
| user | this IRC client is an example | 03:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If there's anything to truly recommend about maemo.org it's the persistence and tenacity of its trolls. | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | /Coucil election Talk thread. | 04:39 |
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| FIQ|n900 | I don't like that if I ever fail with something that requires a reflash, my N900 is pretty much bricked due to a broken UsB port... i've considered installing uboot (I have a functional archlinux install on SD card), but the fact that uboot in itself can break things doesn't make me feel more calm :p | 04:42 |
| FIQ|n900 | s/UsB/USB/ | 04:43 |
| infobot | FIQ|n900 meant: I don't like that if I ever fail with something that requires a reflash, my N900 is pretty much bricked due to a broken USB port... i've considered installing uboot (I have a functional archlinux install on SD card), but the fact that uboot in itself can ... | 04:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | does infobot really need to inform that..? | 04:43 |
| jpinx | FIQ|n900: there was someone here yesterday who was getting his usb-less n900 to boot off the sdcard | 04:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok.. let's pretend that my kernel is completly destroyed making load of default maemo impossible - how to boot off sdcard? | 04:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | I assume you need some bootloader for it (like uboot for example which I said above) | 04:49 |
| jpinx | he was using uboot | 04:50 |
| FIQ|n900 | yeah, that's my point | 04:50 |
| FIQ|n900 | having a working uboot would be all fine, but that requires installing it.. and I would like having it for the power kernel, for which a package doing it for me is non-existent | 04:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | if I'm not into downgrading to V46 instead of 49 | 04:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | and installing manually... what can not go wrong if I'm not that comfortable with how uboot works? :) | 04:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | [03:51:33] <FIQ|n900> if I'm not into downgrading to V46 instead of 49 - there's a package named "uboot-power" in the repositories that does this, but it's for V46 | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: uBoot installes into one same partition together with default kernel. This means two things: you need to either get the proper combo-image with the default kernel you want, to flash to your "kernel" partition. or you build such package yourself. Or you configure uBoot with stock kernel so it boots alternative kernels from "elsewhere" and still uses the stock rootfs, e.g to get a powerkernel with maemo. ... and B) when you messed up | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | your kernel completely like you said, then odds are uBoot got nuked together with it | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway there's a theoretical way: the ROM Bootloader checks for - and loads - stage-1 BL called xloader. stage-1 tries to load stage-2 called NOLO (the 'real' bootloader) from NAND partition "boot" | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOLO in turn loads kernel (and maybe uBoot) from partition "kernel" | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | BUT: rom-bl stage-0 checks for xloader on several locations: USB, tty (under the battery), all mmc controllers (afaik all), so at very least uSD and probably also eMMC. | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could - *theoretically* - place xloader on a uSD, and make that xloader so that it loads NOLO from uSD as well rather than from NAND. Now if you get a patched NOLO there as well, you could load kernel (and uBoot) from whatever you can teach NOLO to do | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody ever tested that approach afaik | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe the serial alternatives for flasher are more like it, you can reach USB under battery, and there's the console tty also, on some other testpads | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you "just" need to conect USB D+/- to the two separate testpads next to the battery contacts, and connect USB VBUS to the right testpad as well (maybe), and flashing should work | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia care has special testbed contraptions to flash device via "FBUS", that's probably the tty under the battery. This will also work with broken USB | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | but your best option would quite probably still be: | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 06:38 |
| infobot | [usbfix] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 06:38 |
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| jpinx | YaY \o/ got the damn slider fixed at last | 09:31 |
| jpinx | it had been put together badly a long time ago and the plastic kbd surround had no gap for the metal hook on the slider, but all good now :) | 09:32 |
| jpinx | now to re-flash... | 09:33 |
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| domedan | is there any good application to test the battery on a n900 with? to get information on how long the battery will last when under load / normal usage / active display etc | 12:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bq27k-detail | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | needs I2Ctools | 12:27 |
| qchn | My N900 is alive. Hurray! | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | domedan: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2 | 12:30 |
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| domedan | DocScrutinizer: thank you! btw. did you check the broken links to sflphone? | 12:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, nope | 12:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somehow I forgot about it | 12:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's also ShadowJK's bq27200.sh which doesn't need bash, and has nice concise loopmode | 12:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq27200.sh | 12:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the downside: it's not as comprehensive and way less nifty ;-P | 12:41 |
| domedan | ok, bash was about the first things I installed on my n900 :) gonna check that one out too | 12:41 |
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| Evanescence | what is the command for Maemo5 "Recorder" ? I want to execute it in terminal. | 13:23 |
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| peterbjornx | try osso- and then <tab><tab> , see if its in the list | 13:24 |
| peterbjornx | *try osso<tab><tab> | 13:24 |
| peterbjornx | or maemo<tab><tab> | 13:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo_recorder? | 13:29 |
| peterbjornx | docscrutinizer | 13:29 |
| peterbjornx | whats up with Xorg in maemo | 13:29 |
| peterbjornx | it keeps segfaulting when run in a chroot | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hm? | 13:29 |
| peterbjornx | dbus also throws out of memory | 13:30 |
| peterbjornx | while i got swap enable | 13:30 |
| peterbjornx | *enabled | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well... | 13:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea | 13:30 |
| peterbjornx | no one has had any problems with using Xsgx on a alt. os? | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think you want to read in wiki about gfx accel etc | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's a bit weird, since it's done in a userland closed app afaik | 13:33 |
| peterbjornx | i got it running, and working but if any app tries to use and cpu/mem it segfaults | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, X also is userland. Nevertheless | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think it works flawlessly in e.g. easydebian | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at least that's what I heard | 13:36 |
| peterbjornx | what i am doing is chrooting to maemo for X then exitting , switching to ezdebian | 13:36 |
| peterbjornx | would ez debian work as a root fs? or is it missing crucial parts for standalone usage | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err wut? | 13:37 |
| peterbjornx | well, is it a full debian rootfs or is it just the end user shit + libraries | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I dunno, never touched it | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | never felt like needing a debian chroot | 13:39 |
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| ShadowJK | There's one value in eeprom still that I found useful to know from bq27200, I had code written but then nano crashed :( | 14:14 |
| ShadowJK | and I didn't bother rewriting | 14:14 |
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| Sicelo | yeah | 15:40 |
| Sicelo | checked tmo? | 15:40 |
| Sicelo | lots of things could cause that.. and silly ones such as 'clogged' mic hole | 15:41 |
| tadzik | hello. I've seen that a number of people have had problems with dead microphones on their n900s; mine's not dead but people tend to complain that they barely hear me. Have you heard of such symptoms before? | 15:41 |
| tadzik | Sicelo: tmo? | 15:41 |
| Sicelo | ~tmo | 15:41 |
| infobot | [tmo] http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes | 15:41 |
| tadzik | yeah, tmo has about 20 pages long discussion about a broken mic in units from UK | 15:42 |
| tadzik | mine's from UK too, but the mic is not completely broken | 15:42 |
| Sicelo | what do you mean mic is broken? | 15:43 |
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| tadzik | broken as in "not working at all", that's the decription I've found on tmo somewhere. Mine is working, but not perfectly | 15:45 |
| tadzik | I've now found some new discussions, will look through them | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you can replace the mic | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | in practice, it may be tricky | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Does sound recording - with say 'sound recorder' - work? | 15:46 |
| tadzik | I didn't check, I'll try after work | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - does the headset work | 15:49 |
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| tadzik | I'll check it out once I get back home and report here. Thanks for pointers | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what did they do to those mics? | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | xray to death? | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth I could imagine well in UK | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: isn't the mic soldered to FPC? | 16:28 |
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| udovdh | hello | 16:41 |
| udovdh | I plan to to use my N810 again for a bit, mainly for running Navit | 16:41 |
| udovdh | maybe for using wifi while on the road | 16:41 |
| udovdh | anybody has the latest on the state of maemo | 16:42 |
| udovdh | and caveats w.r.t. crosscompiling navit? | 16:42 |
| udovdh | I was able to do that 2 years ago or so | 16:42 |
| udovdh | has anyhting changed, progressed, etc? | 16:42 |
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| narcos | Hi there. I have an N900 that I'd like to ssh into over the USB cable (to my Mac). I plug the device in and select PC mode, and then on the phone do "ifconfig usb0 up 192.168.99.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" and on the Mac "ifconfig en4 192.168.99.2 netmask 255.255.255.0". All is well and I can connect between the two. However, when I unplug the cable (to move my laptop or something) I cannot re-establish the connection. | 16:53 |
| narcos | I take the network interface down on both phone and laptop, and bring them back p | 16:53 |
| narcos | *up | 16:53 |
| narcos | But there's no connectivity. | 16:53 |
| narcos | If I reboot the laptop it works - but that's a pain | 16:53 |
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| udovdh | narcos, routing is OK? | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | udovdh: check your supl setting for N810, there's a thread on tmo about it | 17:34 |
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| ampharos | Oh sonnabitch. You N900 users get 4.0 ported and active while we N800 users are stuck on a dead half-assed Android 1.6 - and no one makes anything for the OS2008 either :( | 17:55 |
| tadzik | can the android phone make phone calls? | 17:55 |
| tadzik | s/phone/port/ | 17:55 |
| infobot | tadzik meant: can the android port make phone calls? | 17:55 |
| tadzik | ooh, infobot++ | 17:55 |
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| ampharos | Always N900, never N800 | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ampharos: please go wining at #android or wherever | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is #maemo | 18:12 |
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| guly | can't believe someone blame who buy good devices while she bought worse one | 18:14 |
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| tadzik | SpeedEvil: okay, back home. I don't know how loud is recorder supposed to be, but I can hear myself just fine, without having to hold the phone near my ear or anything | 19:05 |
| tadzik | trying the "headset" now | 19:05 |
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| tadzik | okay, recording is by all means fine. Unless it's due to the fact that I'm charging my phone right now | 19:07 |
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| tadzik | I've now phoned a friend twice, and it seems to be that the phone "warms up". After about 10-15 seconds he hears me well, before I'm barely hearable | 19:15 |
| tadzik | has anyone heard of such an issue? | 19:15 |
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| jpinx | tadzik: tried other networks? | 19:22 |
| tadzik | jpinx: tried both 2G and 3G if that's what you mean. I didn't try another provider, no | 19:23 |
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| jpinx | tadzik: I meant provider ;) | 19:25 |
| * jpinx gets very different "effects" from diferent providers in the same location sometimes | 19:26 | |
| tadzik | huh, how often do you switch the provider? :) | 19:28 |
| jpinx | lots ;) | 19:28 |
| jpinx | pita having to reset the date when I change SIM | 19:29 |
| tadzik | heh, even Nokia 3210 had this :) | 19:30 |
| jpinx | and the chinese never bothered to try to make a twin SIM N900 -- only a twin SIM iPhone ;) | 19:30 |
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| tadzik | I guess I'll start a thread on tmo | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm sure I saw... | 19:30 |
| jpinx | tadzik: yes - the N900 is a bit retarded in some ways | 19:30 |
| jpinx | SpeedEvil: what did you see - date/time retention or a 2xSIM N900 ? | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n900-2-5-touch-screen-dual-sim-dual-network-standby-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-33953?item=1 | 19:31 |
| jpinx | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n900-2-5-touch-screen-dual-sim-dual-network-standby-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-33953?item=1 | 19:31 |
| trx | lol | 19:32 |
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| tadzik | jpinx: what do you mean? | 19:32 |
| jpinx | SpeedEvil: Item is temporarily sold out. :( | 19:33 |
| Vib3 | it was so popular | 19:34 |
| jpinx | SpeedEvil: Operating System: Proprietary - wtf does *that* mean ? ;) | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is NOKLA? | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I dunno, but I just checked, and its stock price is higher than Nokia. | 19:36 |
| * jpinx will check the markets to see if it actually exists | 19:38 | |
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| Vib3 | it tries to be copy device | 19:39 |
| Vib3 | dx copy devices are shit quality.. | 19:39 |
| jpinx | doesn't look anything like an N900 - small screen and buttons on the front | 19:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | (I assume it doesn't exist - that was merely a comment on nokias price) | 19:40 |
| Vib3 | that MINI text is also terrible.. | 19:40 |
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| Vib3 | why to put a text like that in there.. | 19:41 |
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| tadzik | thread opened: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1191705 Feedback would be much appreciated | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | DX has wacky stuff | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/e-king-s515-5-0-resistive-screen-windows-xp-pocket-pc-w-slide-keyboard-wifi-3g-camera-16gb-125120?item=2 | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | 1850mAh battery - and an atom. | 19:44 |
| jpinx | tadzik: eliminate any network or providers hiccups ;) | 19:44 |
| Vib3 | so n900 can't support multisim? | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Vib3: No. | 19:45 |
| Vib3 | ok | 19:45 |
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| jpinx | Vib3: we were talking about that the other day and it would be a lot of work to un-hack that | 19:46 |
| * jpinx totally mis-read that | 19:47 | |
| Vib3 | ok | 19:47 |
| jpinx | brainfart :/ | 19:48 |
| Vib3 | by simple just select which sim to use | 19:48 |
| Vib3 | sounds simple ;p | 19:48 |
| Vib3 | but I can believe that it isn't | 19:48 |
| jpinx | Vib3: afaik the OS needs to reboot on changing the sim | 19:49 |
| Vib3 | linux needs never to be booted :p | 19:49 |
| Vib3 | sometimes with kernel updates ofcourse | 19:50 |
| tadzik | you could use kexec for those | 19:50 |
| Vib3 | just saying not with debian | 19:50 |
| Vib3 | ohh kexec is for all linuxes, mmm | 19:51 |
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| ShadowJK | Heh, there's more ads on tv for Nokia tyres than Nokia phones :) | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | People (kayakers?) sitting on cliffs by a river, in summer, when suddenly a lunatic on a snowmobile drives out of the woods, and aquaplanes onto the river then turns around halfway across river and goes back into the woods. | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Snowmobiling on water looks like fun. | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | But... | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | If it goes wrong you lose an expensive vehicle :) | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - turning? | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Really? | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 22:29 |
| ShadowJK | there are some waves, I think he's using those to assist turning | 22:29 |
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| ShadowJK | the belt does have some traction, thought not alot | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - not much 'keel' thogh | 22:31 |
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| RST38h | looks like the "analysts" started smelling blood in the water | 22:35 |
| RST38h | more and more pieces on Nokia's imminent smartphone market failure | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 22:36 |
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| peterbjornx | hello again | 23:12 |
| peterbjornx | so i decided to use a real maemo kernel instead ofa generic one for my project, but uboot wont boot it | 23:13 |
| peterbjornx | i used mkimage, it goes on to load it, start it but then it just lets the wd time out | 23:13 |
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