IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-04-11

DavidTalmage_I want to know why QtCreator or Qmake puts the wrong path in the Makefile.00:00
DavidTalmage_I must be telling it something wrong.00:00
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PaliDocScrutinizer, max power level of fmtx chip is really 12000:01
merlin1991DavidTalmage_: what do you get in the makefile and what should it be?00:01
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PaliDocScrutinizer, read page 20 at
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DavidTalmage_merlin1991, I may have to take back what I said about the makefile.00:04
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DavidTalmage_Looking at it to be sure...00:04
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DavidTalmage_merlin1991, what I wrote originally is true.00:10
DavidTalmage_There's a Makefile in build-directory/libnetfilterqueue-20110906/src.00:10
DavidTalmage_I figured it out.00:11
DavidTalmage_It's stupid configure trick.  The Makefile is looking in ${prefix}/include.00:12
DavidTalmage_What it's looking for hasn't been installed there.00:12
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DavidTalmage_Thanks for helping me focus on the solution!00:13
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SD69there's an echo in here02:58
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merlin1991quite a remarkable one :D03:32
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r00t|homemore like, there's a combo breaker in here03:38
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merlin1991r00t|home: :nod:03:46
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PaliI'm wizard! I can vote for packages in package interface more times :-) See:
PaliDocScrutinizer, what do you think about my new power? :D08:52
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Palior only other bug in maemo package interface...08:53
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, fmtx power_level is limited to 120 in kernel, because that is the maximum value the chip itself accepts, it is a HW limit, not a SW one09:35
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ToJa92hey, anybody know how to open mail for exchange via the terminal? I'd like to remove the account I setup, but the icon for some reason disappeared.. Don't know if it's related to the fact I installed syncevolution(which seems strange). Clicking the MfE applet in control panel only opens the new account wizard.10:28
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jacekowskiToJa92: it's in settings10:48
jacekowskiToJa92: accounts10:48
ruskie <-- hah10:49
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doc|homethey're a bit late to the party with that, aren't they?10:51
jacekowskinot really10:51
jacekowskithey still have huge marketshare10:51
jacekowskisymbian is still most popular OS10:52
ToJa92jacekowski: Thanks, but the MfE applet in the control panel seems to have forgotten about it and wants me to create a new account10:52
jacekowskiToJa92: accounts, not MfE10:52
jacekowskiyou should be able to delete it there10:52
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ToJa92don't see any account applet, I'm running latest stable CSSU if that makes a difference. There's just sharing accounts and voip/im accounts10:54
doc|homejacekowski: for now, but isn't it on the way out?10:57
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ToJa92jacekowski: "Solved" it by clearing user data, I reflashed yesterday anyway so no big deal11:33
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* RST38h yawns11:38
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StyXmanRST38h: please don't, it's contagious :)11:50
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DocScrutinizerPali: yes, you're obviously right, it says 120 is max, but it doesn't mention what happens when you use higher values12:00
DocScrutinizerPali: I agree a sane kerneldriver shall handle that. Hackers however might want to test what happens at 130, 256, ...12:03
* DocScrutinizer idly woders if there's any sane setting in UI for compressor, limiter, etc12:04
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PaliDocScrutinizer, you can patch kernel driver to remove 120 limit and try what happends12:16
DocScrutinizerI can :-D12:16
DocScrutinizerI can do even more elementary things, like direct control via i2cset ;-D12:17
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DocScrutinizerearthquake near Sumatra?12:39
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DocScrutinizer2004-tsunami regions got tsunami alarm13:04
DocScrutinizerspread the warning!13:06
DocScrutinizerI mean, you might know of channels to alarm people that otherwise would miss the warning. Of course there's no use to spam official channels that definitely already are aware13:08
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DocScrutinizermagnitude 8.713:13
DocScrutinizer500km west of Banda Aceh13:14
DocScrutinizertsunami alarm regions: Indonesien, Australien, Kenia, Südafrika, Iran, Singapur.13:16
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LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer, no point warning Australians, they are all in the pub13:34
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LinuxCodethey will just have to build rafts out of pint glasses13:34
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DocScrutinizersome of them might look at their xchat on N900 while sipping their beer13:44
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DocScrutinizerhonestly I don't hope a warning via IRC is reaching anybody who needs to start running, it may reach somebody who knows of such a person though and who might decide to give that person a call or whatever13:46
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DocScrutinizer"No tsunami" says Horst Letz, German consultant of Indonesian tsunami warning center14:00
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Vib3hmmm nmap doesn't work with 3G14:03
Vib3says: route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "gprs0"14:04
DocScrutinizertsunami warning cancelled14:05
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SiceloVib3: not necessarily 3G.. new nmap has that problem. use the one just before that14:06
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: ooh? any pointer to details?14:37
Sicelohmm, first is that i've used it and got the same error..14:37
Siceloi think there's a site too .. lemme see14:37
Sicelowell, the guy uses apt-get upgrade, which is wrong i know..14:41
DocScrutinizeraftershock quake 8.1, tsunami warning still extended by 2 hours14:43
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Siceloactually.. let me 'contribute' by submitting some bug report.. or let Vib3 do so :/14:45
Siceloah, it's already known, , psycho_oreos14:47
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: sorry, I can't make a story out of all that14:51
DocScrutinizeris it a bug in new version of nmap for fremantle? or a bug in fremantel or powerkernel or whatever else? or no bug at all? and what are the recommendations to cope with the problem?14:53
DocScrutinizeris anybody taking care about all that?14:53
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Vib3its nmap 5.59BETA114:59
Vib3dunno wheres the problem14:59
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Vib3ohh gives same with wlan015:00
Vib3kernel here15:01
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Sicelolooks like the but is with nmap for fremantle. no progress seems to have been made. only suggestion is to revert15:06
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DocScrutinizerlemme check15:06
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DocScrutinizernmap 5.59BETA1 promoted to testing 2011-07-13 by N. Reynolds15:10
DocScrutinizer5.50 in stable15:10
Vib3that script works fine and nmap 5.50-2 also works fine15:11
DocScrutinizerSicelo: where's the "suggestion to revert"?15:11
DocScrutinizerVib3: which script?15:12
Vib3DocScrutinizer: that what Sicelo linked15:12
Vib3maybe Sicelo means this -> "Firstly, the newest beta version of nmap (5.59BETA1_armel) appears to be buggy enough to the point where it’s almost unusable."15:12
DocScrutinizerumm, that stuff?15:12
DocScrutinizerNathan Reynolds15:14
DocScrutinizerThanks Christos, I'm aware of the issue and working to address it with the next build of the 5.59 beta. You were correct to suggest using the version in Extras in the meantime, thank you!15:14
DocScrutinizer2011-07-16 23:59 UTC15:14
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Vib3k, so using 5.5015:17
Siceloyeah.. works like a charm ;)15:17
Vib3damn that didn't see that by default, app manager just offered that unstable 5.59beta15:18
DocScrutinizer>>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y<< bwahahaha15:18
Siceloyeah.. i wonder why this guy is doing that15:19
Vib3maybe he wants to upgrade things ;p15:20
SiceloVib3: i didn't use the script .. (i don't quite truest everything else the guy is doing)15:20
Vib3I did :p15:21
Vib3but now back to thesis, bye ->15:22
psycho_oreosSicelo, hmm? you've highlighted me15:25
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, been trying to somehow avert that buggy autodisconnect issue, so far still losing, may have a go at it again on the weekend before completely giving up and setting it up from scratch. I'd hate to really do it from a clean slate :)15:26
DocScrutinizeryou *should* be able to analyze the autodisconnect pkg (and possibly prev version pkgs as well), see what files get installed and what postinstall scripts run and what they do, and revert all this. If you need "clean" genuine files for some reverting, just ask me15:29
Sicelopsycho_oreos: just a 'side effect' .. we were talking about nmap problems, and you made a nice post on tmo, that helps :)15:29
psycho_oreosand that issue is extremely bad if I'm not mistaken. I've left the bug as it was (when it constantly asked for a network to connect to) even when the device is off, somehow the complete battery drain (even though the device was never turned on for almost 2 weeks) seemed really fatal15:30
DocScrutinizerquite possible15:30
psycho_oreos*nods* there's that triggers which is called within the setting up/removal of autodisconnect. I think I'll have a look at those after giving one more try in a different attempt15:30
psycho_oreosSicelo, ahh nw, someone found that out before me though. I think it was recorded on iinm when I saw the fix first or something.. anyhow someone found the fix and I just sorta relayed it. Never bothered upgrading my copy of nmap to the latest since then even though it kept telling me there's an update available for it15:32
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DocScrutinizerthe reason to disable extras-devel/testing immediately after installation of the pkg you were interested in15:33
psycho_oreosas for that offtopic news on tsunami hitting .au = unlikely :) --->
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psycho_oreospretty much but at the same time being a dare devil (for the right and wrong reasons) does sorta work its way out15:34
teotwakiif there is a tsunami threat to australia15:35
teotwakiI'm pretty sure the aussies would simply throw a bunch of dropbears right into the ocean, make that wave go back where it came from.15:35
DocScrutinizerwow, that script at is epic :-P15:36
DocScrutinizerthe cmdline options analyzing with egrep alone is a highlight15:36 -extranonormalstuffwtf?? will work just like normal15:37
DocScrutinizerthere's exactly one useful line in that script: `` apt-get install nmap=5.50-2 libaprutil1=1.3.9-2 libapr1=1.4.2-1 --force-yes -'' (though I friggin wonder what the ``-'' at the end is for)15:40
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: it ends with -y not -15:47
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: here I don't see that15:51
merlin1991here I have a scrollbar at the bottom15:51
DocScrutinizernot in konqueror15:51
merlin1991browser madness ftw15:52
merlin1991the full line actually is apt-get install nmap=5.50-2 libaprutil1=1.3.9-2 libapr1=1.4.2-1 --force-yes -y;15:52
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DocScrutinizerso this guy sucks not only in shellscript writing and in apt and maemo, but also in html ;-P15:52
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DocScrutinizeraah nope, there it is: a scrollbar - I'm just blinded by that webpage design15:53
DocScrutinizerindeed, even ``-y;'', but now that I've scrolled, I can't highlight the line anymore to c&p it here ;-P15:54
* Sicelo congratulates himself for getting DocScrutinizer to click a random link ;)15:54
DocScrutinizerindeed, Sicelo15:55
DocScrutinizerwell, I'm afk now. Get some other RL crap 'sorted'15:55
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DocScrutinizer"tsunami aftershock not causing any tsunami either" says German TV ZDF correspondent Peter Kunz16:01
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Maceranybody here have a nas? like a synology or qnap?16:14
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RaimuWhoo, Nokia shares plummeted.16:16
Macerhaven't they for a while now? :)16:16
Maceri figured they'd be bankrupt by now16:16
Macerrightfully so16:16
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Macerthe dow has been brutal16:18
Macerguess they could only prop it up for so long16:18
Macerfundamentals have seriously gone out the window of late16:18
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SpeedEvilMeltmi will save them!16:22
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DocScrutinizermelt me or meltemi?16:23
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* DocScrutinizer wonders idly what all the " funding is set for this year at least" will be worth when a serious share shock hits whole company16:24
SpeedEvilRaided for 'core buisness activities' - they're opening up a boot factory.16:25
RaimuBack to basics.16:26
DocScrutinizeror maybe rubber dinghy16:26
Veggenexchange svarer ikke.16:27
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lolcatWhat company owns
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache policy nmap16:41
DocScrutinizer  Installed: (none)16:41
DocScrutinizer  Candidate: 5.59BETA116:41
lolcatThey still exist?16:41
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lolcatYou'd  think elop was hung in the finnish forests for his betrayal16:42
DocScrutinizerso wwhich apt-* cmd would I execute, which line add to which config file, to disallow installation of any nmap- 5.59BETA1, no matter from which source?16:42
Sicelopinning, i suppose :/16:44
DocScrutinizerheard there's such a thing like pinning, NFC about apt16:44
* Sicelo just used apt-get install nmap=<version> though16:44
DocScrutinizerlast resort16:44
DocScrutinizerdeprecating the 59BETA preferred16:45
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javispedroman, I remember reading that Texrat had bought nokia shares recently =)16:51
Siceloheh, serious?16:54
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ruskie <-- hahahaha17:27
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r00t|homeruskie: useless article, where's the details?17:42
ruskieand some people miss the point17:42
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javispedrosoftware issue seemingly, not hardware17:54
javispedroso no idea why they'd do this17:54
javispedro(also, they're sending "at&t credit", so that probably costs nokia next to 0)17:54
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SpeedEvildoes this mean 'you can buy windows apps with this, but little else' ?17:58
javispedroand probably send sms =)18:01
javispedro(extra rate sms)18:02
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luke-jrMacer: "around $20 a month without data caps"21:03
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Maceryeah that's what i thought too21:03
Macerbut who knows.. if they get the volume they may be able to pull it off21:03
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luke-jrno such thing as "without data caps"21:03
Macergiven that most drug dealers and child porn exchangers don't use much data21:04
Maceri can see the drug dealers not... but the child porn guys would max their network out21:04
Maceryeah heh... you're right there21:04
Macerbut then again they're building the infrastructure from the ground up without any other networking burdens21:05
Macerlike phone lines and dsl21:05
Maceror tv21:05
Maceratt for instance uses its data lines for cell phones... house phones.... and dsl.. maybe even more things21:05
Macerwell.. it's network21:05
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Macercomcast uses their network for everthing as well21:06
Macerif the startup company uses their network solely for wireless cell data comm... i can see them at least being able to offer it for quite some time21:06
Macerand cricket showed you can actually be a startup cell phone company21:07
Maceryou just need tower space :)21:07
Macerand don't need to build a huge city wide wired infrastructure21:07
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ShadowJKWired infra is needed if you want to serve more than 2 users23:07
ShadowJKMy local cell tower has no wired uplink, but it serves about 30 users, and we get .25 Mbit/s on it :)23:09
* ShadowJK usually has phone use the other tower, which is about 10km away, and has proper uplink23:10
DocScrutinizeryou get those 25mb/s only if nobody else is using data on same cell23:10
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peterbjornxdoes anyone in here have experience with flashing the n900 from a recovery console?23:13
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peterbjornxit should be possible but mtd_debug tells me that the image is too large (rootfs.jffs2 to mtd5)23:14
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TNZHi all23:42
TNZThx fo KP50 guys23:42
TNZto KP50 guys :)23:42
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peterbjornxanyone here?23:56
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