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jogaI noticed a couple of updates, for the power kernel and also a "Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot)" but appman doesn't seem to want to apply the updates and complains about the two packages conflicting with each other?01:16
jogashould I restore the vanilla kernel first or something?01:17
joganow that I looked more carefully it actually seems to conflict with the previous one (2.6.28-10power49)01:18
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DocScrutinizerjoga: that's what fapman gets you01:36
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: default appman too01:43
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ThreeMN900 for "only" 599eur @ amazon02:18
ThreeMnow we can call our phone Classic Phone02:18
ThreeMor: oldtimer02:18
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Hurrianwasn't that the launch price?02:27
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* nox- payed maybe 350 or so...02:33
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ThreeMin marketplace 200-550eur02:42
ThreeMmaybe one time we all get millionärs when we sell our beloved N900 xD02:43
DocScrutinizerI paid 599+shipping02:45
TermanaI paid $700 AUD (550 euro). They are going (apparently new) on ebay for $200 AUD (157 euro)02:47
robbiethe1stI paid $350 for my first, $200 for my next 3(broken ones)02:54
r00t|homei bought a like-new used one for 80eur... last week...02:54
robbiethe1stOr was it next two...02:54
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nox-nice r00t|home03:04
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LaoLang_coolHi, sometimes I want to copy note of calendar, is there some direct way instead of go to the edit gui?03:26
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robbiethe1stYes. But I don't know it03:33
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LaoLang_coolrobbiethe1st: ok..03:34
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jogaDocScrutinizer hmm the problem is fapman? I do have it installed but haven't used it for a while, I clicked on the update indicator to start default appman in this case08:05
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DocScrutinizerjoga: then never mind08:21
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DocScrutinizerTermana: NEW ones for 200$??? where?08:51
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teotwakihaha, I love it11:26
teotwakieverytime a new guy comes into the office, people introduce my team as "the guys who develop the phone part of our business"11:27
teotwakiand every single time, the newcomer goes11:27
teotwaki"Oh, you program on iOS?"11:27
teotwaki"err, no"11:27
teotwaki"Oh, then you program on Android?" (at this point, interest of said person might rise or fall down)11:27
teotwaki"err, no"11:28
teotwakihere, a puzzled look is seen11:28
teotwaki"So, what exactly do you do then?"11:28
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teotwaki"We apply weight balanced distribution algorithms to VoIP, email, sms and chat conversations in order to connect people with call centre agents, and process all of that in real time"11:29
teotwakiAfter the 6th words, you can just see their eyes go shallow and glaze over.11:29
SpeedEvilSo,in other words, you select hold music that's vile enough to make people hang up and reduce load on the support staff?11:34
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Jaffateotwaki: Fun :)12:04
teotwakiSpeedEvil: something like that :)12:05
teotwakiJaffa: how's it going mate?12:05
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DocScrutinizerany of you got knowledge about topic of kernel reading partition tables and creating devices for the partitions found?12:08
DocScrutinizersth along udev, modprobe, partprobe...12:09
DocScrutinizerwe (CSSU) would appreciate some qualified comments and hints on that, over in #maemo-ssu, since we ran into issues with new ke-recv12:10
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Jaffateotwaki: For the next two weeks: stupidly busy. Then we'll have submitted our requirements definition report and - due to long decision making process - the project will stop (probably until Q3/Q4). So, then I'll be a lot *less* busy12:11
Jaffateotwaki: How are you?12:11
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teotwakijust finished a major release12:12
teotwakiworth some 300k LOCs12:13
teotwakiFor a team of 3.5, I'd say that's not too bad.12:13
JaffaAll new?12:13
teotwakiMost of it, yeah, some of it was ported/refactored.12:13
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DocScrutinizerto be more precise: I'm wondering what's involved in creating/changing/removing storage devices/partitions and associated info in kernel and userland12:17
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Jaffateotwaki: Nice.12:23
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Jaffateotwaki: I've been doing lots of technical presales work at the moment. Good fun.12:23
teotwakipresales can be awesome12:23
teotwakiIf the project/product is interesting, and the customer has good people.12:24
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Jaffateotwaki: Yeah. Going to South Korea for a week was good. Possibility of going back for a solid couple of weeks.12:25
teotwakiOh, that is nice.12:26
teotwakiWhereabouts in SK?12:26
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DocScrutinizeror put simply: "<merlin199> runing blkid as root shows you some info about all partitions in the system. but when I reformatted my sd card to only have one partition I still have ghost entries in the output from blkid. even after a reboot[!!!]" and would you comment/correct my thoughts regarding that, as of ff, please12:28
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StyXmanDocScrutinizer: I really whish I had more time and knowledge to be more helpfull. all I can say is: the kernel detects the device, emits some events that udev receives, and the applies the matching rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/12:29
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DocScrutinizerStyXman: many thanks anyway for that, it assures me my idea about that part been correct12:29
StyXmanDocScrutinizer: /dev must be : none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)12:29
StyXmancheck the /etc/fstab in your machine12:30
StyXmanotherwise you have an old static /dev and blkid might get confused with it12:31
StyXmanalso: try running it under strace -e file and see what files and devices opens12:31
DocScrutinizerexactly my thoughts :-D thanks a lot12:31
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DocScrutinizer(re static /dev)12:31
DocScrutinizerfstab however is vastly useless on fremantle12:32
StyXmanwell, from my POV, it shouldn't :|12:33
DocScrutinizerit's autogenerated on each single reboot12:33
Jaffateotwaki: Yeah.12:33
StyXmanI understand it's a failsafe measure so the user can't brick so easily the phone12:33
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DocScrutinizertbh I don't understand it at all :-S12:34
StyXmanthe problen is that it actually doesn't detect anything and the assumptions might be no longer valid and *that* bricks the phone12:35
DocScrutinizerediting fstab needs root perms as does messing up the script that generates fstab on maemo12:35
StyXmanFI: reformatting /home/user/MyDocs to extX12:35
* RST38h yawns12:35
DocScrutinizermoo RST38h12:36
RST38hmoo, Doc, how is suffering today?12:36
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DocScrutinizerkneedeep into ke-recv, udev, kernel+partition tables, fstab etc12:37
DocScrutinizerStyXman: anyway mount shows >>none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,noatime,size=10240k,mode=755)<<12:40
StyXmanDocScrutinizer: hmmm12:40
DocScrutinizerindeed hmmm12:40
DocScrutinizertmpfs!=devtmpfs ??12:41
DocScrutinizernot at all I'd guess12:41
DocScrutinizerotoh it should at very least be volatile12:42
DocScrutinizerso couldn't persist acoss reboots, as merlin_1991 complained12:42
StyXmanunless the dev existed before mounting udev12:42
StyXmanI *think* it copies the original devices from the underlaying /dev12:42
DocScrutinizerI think that's the whole idea of devtmpfs12:43
DocScrutinizerno explanation though where to look for sticky partitions12:45
DocScrutinizernot exactly12:45
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StyXmanDocScrutinizer: does dmesg say anything abvout them @ boot time?12:46
DocScrutinizerno idea, it's been reported by merlin_199112:46
DocScrutinizerbut a very good point for what to check12:46
StyXmanis it reproducible?12:46
DocScrutinizerI guess it is12:47
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DocScrutinizersince we got new ke-recv in CSSU-T, we've seen quite a number of "nice" error reports12:48
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DocScrutinizerthe fact that a broken CSSU version of ke-recv got shipped didn't exactly help on that12:48
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StyXmanwhat's ke-recv? doesn't ring a bell...12:49
DocScrutinizeron the bright side it's a nice lesson for KP and CSSU developers and maintainers :-D12:49
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DocScrutinizerke-recv = maemo's special flavour of (I guess) KernelEven-RECeiVe12:50
DocScrutinizerit acts on hotplug and remove events12:50
DocScrutinizersome weid sibling or replacement of/for udev12:51
StyXmanfor any particular reason?12:51
DocScrutinizerdang my typing sucks today, even more than usual12:51
StyXmanI mean, if you´re using both, they might have an interesting interaction12:51
DocScrutinizerreason for ke-recv? no idea12:52
DocScrutinizeras well as no idea why maemo autogenerates fstab12:52
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DocScrutinizeryou know, design rationale and requirements spec not avaoilable for anything in maemo12:53
StyXmanI love the readme: «nothing here». indeed12:53
StyXmannothing in the news or even authors12:54
DocScrutinizerke-recv-test might shed some dim light12:54
DocScrutinizeron general purpose of the whole thing12:54
StyXmanDocScrutinizer: just lokking at what files compose it's source gives a rough idea12:55
StyXmanI thingk it should go on top of udev12:55
StyXmanI mean, it´s not a replacement12:56
StyXmanbut that's all I can say for now12:56
DocScrutinizerI think it deals with events that aren't strickly device-related as in udevadm monitor12:57
DocScrutinizerlike plugin to USB host, open/close of battery lid (to [u]mount uSD) etc pp12:57
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vi___So I have an 'issue' that I am having difficulty isolating.14:14
vi___When I run the sharing services configuration applett from settings panel it crashes with:14:15
vi___'internal error. Application 'settings' closed.14:16
vi___I have no sharing accounts at the moment.14:16
vi___I want to add one for a service (flickr as it happens)14:16
vi___So I click the sharing applett14:16
vi___it asks if I want to create a new account or add and existing one14:16
vi___I click 'add existing' then it crashes.14:17
vi___How can I run the settings applet from the command line in order that I may see some kind of error/debug?14:17
vi___I cannot seem to find the 'settings' program in the list of .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon/SOMEFILES.desktop14:18
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vi___merlin1991: yo15:14
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: actually the /dev node is long gone, but blkid still reports about those parititoins15:21
merlin1991vi___: hey15:23
StyXmanmerlin1991: probably it asks the kernel and he's the one confused?15:23
merlin1991StyXman: I would agree on that if it wouldn't be persistant over reboots15:23
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StyXmanmerlin1991: true15:24
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StyXmanmerlin1991: also:
merlin1991die apt-worker15:27
StyXmanblkid seems to keep track of partitions in /etc/blkid.tab15:27
vi___are you able to shed any light on my query above15:27
StyXmanmerlin1991: and reads /proc/partitions15:27
merlin1991vi___: I don't know much about it, but my best guess is, that you have some unstable plugin that crashes the whole thing15:28
merlin1991check for extra sharing plugins you have installed15:28
vi___Do you know the location of the .desktop file for the setup program? (spanner icon).15:29
merlin1991funky imo15:30
StyXmanmerlin1991: hmmm, IIRC, there's a script that runs at boo who creates the devices15:32
StyXman.... but I can't tell right now15:32
* StyXman "busy working"15:32
merlin1991yeah you're right about there are my ghost partitions15:33
merlin1991this CRIES for a patch15:33
StyXmanthis cries for «don't try to create devices blindingly at boot»15:35
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StyXmanalso: read blkid's code :|15:38
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infobotfubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything.15:42
vi___merlin: how do I do the bug list thing?15:44
vi___merlin1991: specifically 1008915:45
vi___!bug 1008915:45
povbotBug Cannot create Flickr sharing account: "Internal error. Application 'Settings' closed."15:45
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vi___running from terminal I get this vomit:15:48
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tcatmHey. Can someone tell me whether kernel-power has any additional patches compared to the default kernel?15:57
Jaffatcatm: It has quite a few15:58
tcatmHrm. is there a git repo?15:59
freemangordonit is in garage.maemo.org15:59
freemangordontcatm, here
tcatmAwesome. Thanks!16:01
tcatmI'm trying to track down a bug where sometimes the speaker is muted during calls (mic seems to be muted, too). Is this known?16:02
gulywhich twitter client do people here use?16:03
vi___mmm, so other share services work.16:04
vi___It is just the flickr plugin that is failing.16:04
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vi___SON OF A WHORE16:09
vi___god damn you stupid phone16:09
StyXmanvi___: the language, please16:14
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StyXmanit's «son of a bithc» :-P16:14
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vi___freemangordon: good day sir.16:18
vi___freemangordon: what would happen if I cranked the 'dsp_voltage_boost' to 255?16:18
tcatmIt looks like those power kernel patches won't apply cleanly using quilt :/16:19
Macervi___: you will teleport to io16:21
StyXman(Ed's Note: Io is a Jupiter's moon)16:23
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Sicelotcatm: sure that's not a hardware issue? eg, faulty jack.. resulting in false detection of a headset?16:32
tcatmThe symptons I've noticed looked like a software problem. I.e. on some cases I was able to reproduce the problem using software.16:36
freemangordonvi___, it will be either ignored or limited to 250, can't remember exactly, but according to how I code ususally, it will be limited16:36
freemangordontcatm, actually it is quilt that is used to apply patches in debian/patches, you may want to look at KP thread at TMO on how to build KP16:37
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tcatmSicelo: Detected headset should show up in dmesg as 'headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected' (I just verified that).16:38
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tcatmIs it normal for the n900 to be quiet when establishing a call? Other phones emit beep tones when the called phone is ringing.16:43
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ThreeMtcatm normal behavior16:47
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vi___merlin1991: hello17:29
vi___merlin1991: I assume you are running cssu-t 3.1?17:30
merlin1991among cssu-stable and pr1.3.1 on my 3 devices, yes :D17:30
vi___Then perhaps you could quickly try somthing to help me eliminate a possibilty in a bug hunt.17:31
vi___Can you take a photo with the camera, when it shows you the photo on the screen, press the gallery button on the bottom right hand corner.17:32
vi___tell me , does it open the phot in maemo-photo (gallery) or the microb (browser)17:32
vi___for some reason photos are opening in the browser for me17:33
vi___this is a huge pain in the nuts17:33
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merlin1991microb or some other browser?17:33
vi___it opens with:17:35
merlin1991check your /usr/share/applications/hildon/image-viewer.desktop17:36
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merlin1991though I'm not 100% sure how those mime handlers are registered17:37
merlin1991someone else will know for sure :)17:38
vi___can you paste your line of mimetype handlers from your image-viewer.desktop?17:39
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ThreeMoh wrong channel. sorry17:42
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merlin1991vi___: does your image-viewer.desktop contain the X-Osso-Service line?17:44
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merlin1991btw vi___ check in /usr/share/applications/defaults.list for the line with image/jpeg17:46
merlin1991it should be image/jpeg=hildon-image-viewer.desktop17:46
vi___merlin1991: I reinstalled 'imageviewer' which seems to update a bunch of mime types type stuff in the postinst.17:51
vi___This seems to have solved the problem.17:51
vi___fffuuuu knows how it got broken.17:51
vi___Thankyou for your assistance.17:51
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vi___FWIW my .desktop file looked the same as yours.17:52
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merlin1991how did it get broken?17:55
vi___I really do not know.17:56
vi___It happened some time after CSSU-T update 2 updates back I think.17:56
vi___However I not think they are related.17:56
vi___As it is such a commonly used feature, someone else would have complained.17:57
vi___(or they were so leet they fixed it already)17:57
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tcatmI think I have found the cause of the bug the causes the earpiece to be muted.20:11
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Sicelodo tell, tcatm20:23
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RST38hmoo javispedro20:23
tcatmSicelo: It could be the sound driver incorrectly powering on the amplifier.20:24
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tcatmDisabling stand-by mode of said amplifier seems to help.20:32
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trumeeguys, can ipad2 tether to a N900?20:38
tcatmShould work. The N900 can speak pretty much any wireless protocol.20:39
trumeeneed to decide between wifi or 3g version.20:40
jonneuse the hotspot thing on the n90020:40
jonnemaybe bluetooth even works, never tried it20:40
jonnedo ipads have bluetooth?20:40
trumeeiirc there was a limitation on adhoc networking20:41
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* trumee is in a shop atm deciding to buy which model20:41
trumeetmo is dog slow.20:42
r00t|homesimple: buy the 'none' model20:42
trumeeso need a confirmation20:42
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r00t|homethat's the only good model of the ipad20:42
trumeer00t|home, need one for my wife :)20:43
trumeeDocScrutinizer, any idea?20:49
trumeeMAG had an ipad iirc20:49
trumeeMohammadAG, ping20:49
DocScrutinizertrumee: sprry nope20:50
RST38h...Objects that caused the latest major natural disaster. We have at least three different anomalous explanations for the Indian Ocean Tsunami now. We don't need more.20:50
MohammadAGtrumee: Pong20:52
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trumeeMohammadAG, can ipad be tethered to N900?21:14
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jacekowskitrumee: using wifi21:25
trumeejacekowski, yes via wifi?21:28
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jacekowskisame as tethering anything else to n900 then21:29
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trumeejacekowski, tx21:37
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nikkomy maemo keyboard lights doesnt turn on anymore22:28
nikkoeven after reflashing22:29
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PaliDocScrutinizer, it is possible to clean mtd2 log?22:29
nikkoanyone knows how to fix this ?22:29
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DocScrutinizerPali: well, I guess mtd_debug could help erasing it22:36
DocScrutinizerPali: no idea what's the format of a "clean" mtd2 though22:36
Paliit is safe?22:36
DocScrutinizerwell, obviously not, since ^^^22:37
PaliI'd like to clean it, because I have more kernel logs which is now useless (caused by my testing...)22:37
Paliand parsing new is hard now22:37
DocScrutinizeryou could check kernel src to learn how it determines end-of-buffer22:38
DocScrutinizerI'd guess there must be a tool to read mtd oopslog as well22:39
DocScrutinizerwhich obviously should be the way to go22:39
DocScrutinizerodds are it doesn't use any particular formatting and just starts dumping at some lst special "<EOF>" it finds in mtd222:41
DocScrutinizerbut - as mentioned above - I have no idea22:41
nikkoever lost keypad lights ??22:42
DocScrutinizerwhat do you mean?22:43
nikkothe azerty keyboard of the n90022:43
DocScrutinizerkbd backlights are switching off when ambient light > some particular threshold22:44
nikkothe light under that *should* turn on when you open the N90022:44
nikkowell not mine22:44
nikkoeven in total darkness :/22:44
nikkoand i just reflashed the device22:44
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nikkoalso its back from nokia care support22:45
DocScrutinizeryou might want to remove battery for 2 minutes22:45
nikkook lets try22:45
nikkobut damn, howcome my n900 nbehave like a computer + win xp? :p22:45
DocScrutinizerthe lp5523 chip that controls indicator and kbd LEDs is dirctly connected to battery. It might have locked up22:45
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nikkogoot to know22:47
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nikkonothing yet22:50
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DocScrutinizerdoes indicator LED work normally?23:03
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DocScrutinizerdid you restore from backup after reflashing?23:04
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DocScrutinizert900:~# grep Backlight /etc/mce/mce.ini23:08
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DocScrutinizert900:~# cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb1/led_current23:09
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DocScrutinizerwhile sleep 1; do echo 100 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb1/brightness; done23:13
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DocScrutinizerdang, drive by asker23:19
merlin1991fmtx power level was which sysnode?23:21
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level?23:30
merlin1991ah yeah that one23:31
merlin1991now if I'd also know the safe max :/23:33
DocScrutinizeryou know it's kinda locked during first usage23:33
DocScrutinizerthere's no safe max23:33
DocScrutinizerjust ramp up to your liking ;-D23:33
merlin1991and watch it burn? :D23:34
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DocScrutinizerask jacekowski23:38
DocScrutinizerthere's some working max, not safe max though. the power is picowatts23:39
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DocScrutinizeror was it nanowatts?23:39
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DocScrutinizernuttin will burn, but odds are it's locked anyway, unless you use jacekowski 's hack23:40
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure if theoretic max is 255, or was it sth like 18523:42
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merlin1991cat shows me it's currently 12023:48
Palimerlin1991, max fmtx power_level is 12023:48
DocScrutinizer111 here, but "ro"23:48
Paliin kp50 was changed to max 120 by default23:48
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Palialso in kp50 is possible to lock/unlock this power_level23:48
Palivia sysfs lock23:49
Paliusefull to hack unpatched fmtxd23:49
DocScrutinizerthe chip however has no dangerous max setting23:49
DocScrutinizerand I guess the 120 limit is also a raher random value23:50
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DocScrutinizerbtw I just have set it to 222 and still no smoke23:50
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DocScrutinizer(on an ancient hostmode kernel)23:51
PaliDocScrutinizer, max is 120 see kernel source code23:51
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DocScrutinizerwhat's got kernel source to do with the chip?23:51
PaliI think that higher value is decreased to 120 in kernel driver23:51
Paliof cource if you do not patched driver23:52
DocScrutinizeryes, and that 120 limit is "randomly" picked23:52
DocScrutinizerI guess23:52
DocScrutinizeranyway o/ bbl23:52
DavidTalmage_Hi.  Can someone here help me with QtCreator, a subdirs project, and autoconf?23:52
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DavidTalmage_I'm building some applications that depend on libnfnetlink and libnetfilter_queue.23:55
DavidTalmage_Those libs aren't part of Maemo, so I'm building them myself.23:55
DavidTalmage_I set up my subdirs project as shown in the qt-project wiki page QmakeInvokeAutotools.23:56
DocScrutinizerI just said "yes, somebody can help for sure"23:56
DocScrutinizeranyway ask23:56
DavidTalmage_Ah. Standard hacker answer. :-)23:56
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DavidTalmage_There's a shadow build directory at the same level as my project directory.23:57
DavidTalmage_Things build.  Except that libnetfilter_queue depends on libnfnetlink.  During compilation, gcc wants to look in the wrong place for the libnfnetlink headers.23:58
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DavidTalmage_I checked the Makefile in the build directory.  It has the wrong path.23:59
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