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vi__hi ho00:22
merlin1991ho hi00:22
vi__so what is this jazz with ke-recv I am seeing?00:22
merlin1991bad build that placed a symlink in /etc/init.d which does not get removed by dpkg upon upgrading to the clean build00:23
vi__what did the SL point to?00:23
merlin1991something that doesn't exist on the n90000:24
merlin1991silly newer debhelper does things for you regarding upstart00:24
merlin1991which actually messes things in case you compile for n90000:24
vi__well I guess that is why it is called testing branch.00:24
merlin1991partly :)00:24
merlin1991but we always aim to fix things quickly00:24
vi__you will never get a job with M$ with that kind of attitude.00:25
vi__so noob question.00:25
vi__is it safe to update yet?00:26
merlin1991it's sage by now00:26
vi__I have a standard disk layout.00:26
merlin1991just make sure your catalogues include the 3.1 update00:26
vi__it is sage.00:26
merlin1991s/sage/safe/ :D00:26
vi__it is going now!00:27
* vi__ holds breath00:28
merlin1991if it goes bad you're only 3 cmdlines away from fixing it again :)00:28
merlin1991though it shouldn't00:28
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vi__what is the symptom of the problem?00:29
merlin1991no mydocs00:29
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vi__I used to want to combine mydocs and /home.00:30
vi__then i realised it would brake backup menu00:30
merlin1991I yielded in quite a funky bugreport:
povbotBug 12594: the todays CSSU update messed up my N900 completely !!!00:30
merlin1991s/quite a/a quite/00:31
infobotmerlin1991 meant: I yielded in a quite funky bugreport:
povbotBug 12594: the todays CSSU update messed up my N900 completely !!!00:31
vi__I shall now reboot00:32
merlin1991btw vi__ when you've got cssu specific questions you've got an even better chance for answers over in #maemo-ssu00:32
vi__mm, ok.00:32
vi__is that where the cool kids hang out nowa days?00:32
lolcatpovbot: Oo, that looks unfortunate00:32
povbotlolcat: Error: "Oo," is not a valid command.00:32
merlin1991it is where the cssu devs hang out, dunno if we're the cool kids :D00:33
vi__yeah, you guys are pretty cool.  I wish my e-peen was as massive.00:34
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robbiethe1stSo, guys, how would I track down a battery drain when not in use? Powertop isn't showing anything that I can tell...05:36
robbiethe1stWith wifi off, no apps running(and no sim in it), I'm losing about 20%/8 hours.05:36
SpeedEvilLogin with ssh+screen, setup htop to do sort by cumulative time05:37
robbiethe1stWhy login with ssh?05:38
SpeedEvilOr just reset, leave it for some hours idle, and look at processes with significantly nonzero times05:38
SpeedEvilthe system is lots more idle with it than if you need to open the screen05:38
SpeedEvilthe display05:38
robbiethe1stBut wouldn't that be mostly xorg usage? which we already know of and can discount?05:39
DocScrutinizerI also heard that missing SIM *may* cause massive power drain05:39
SpeedEvilAlso - get the bq* script - and set it running when idle05:40
robbiethe1stThat being said, I'm seeing: browser, with 33:03.99, bme_RX-51 with 23:14.92, pulseaudio with near the same...05:40
SpeedEvilover screen05:40
DocScrutinizermight make sense, when device constantly is scanning all the networks, for a possible 911 call05:40
robbiethe1stCould have some problem... This device has a blown(I think) cellmodem.05:40
SpeedEvilwhat happens in flight-mode?05:41
robbiethe1stIt gives that 'all functionality disabled' message on startup05:41
DocScrutinizeryou been faster than me :-D05:41
robbiethe1stAnd yes, in flight mode, it still has battery drain05:41
DocScrutinizerthen it's not modem05:41
robbiethe1stI always put it in flight mode overnight, and it's draining fairly signifigantly now05:41
robbiethe1st(as in last couple of months05:42
DocScrutinizeruSD inserted?05:42
robbiethe1stYeah, but I've had that same uSD for over a year+, on this device and my other one05:42
DocScrutinizerwell, we've seen shorts when no uSD05:43
DocScrutinizerso that's not it either05:43
robbiethe1stThing is, it's not like a major power drain, like what happens if you leave a running app open. It's just... a little more than it should be05:43
DocScrutinizersomething tweaked on audio?05:44
DocScrutinizeror mediaplayer?05:44
DocScrutinizer(seen amp not shutdwon during "pause")05:45
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robbiethe1stUm, question. In htop, the cumulative time column is in what units?05:45
robbiethe1stIs it or mm:ss.ss05:45
DocScrutinizerthe latter I guess05:45
DocScrutinizerhave you changed your WLAN setup?05:46
robbiethe1stHm... At one point I tried to setup bluetooth PAN, but never got it working; Now, up in the 'tray' there's an icon that looks like a vertical arrow going into two half circles, split in the middle(so 4 quadrants)05:47
SpeedEvilanything in app-scren it may relate to?05:48
robbiethe1stAnd there's dummy network/dummy_iap in the internet connection box05:48
robbiethe1stNo, I know it relates to when I installed some nokia dummy networking package05:48
robbiethe1stBecause it appeared at that time05:49
DocScrutinizerwell, flight mode should tear down WLAN as well05:49
robbiethe1stI didn't think of it until now, though05:49
DocScrutinizerand probably even BT05:49
robbiethe1stYeah, it does do that. But this other, unique icon, still exists. and I have no clue what it means05:49
DocScrutinizermeans "antenna", FWIW05:49
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DocScrutinizerthere's that XML file, forgot the path/name, that configs the position of those things in statusbar05:52
DocScrutinizershould have a name05:52
DocScrutinizeralso the remnants there in that file probably are the reason why you see that amtenna icon05:53
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robbiethe1stcould be05:53
robbiethe1stNot sure it's a remnant though; the package is still installed05:53
luke-jrDocScrutinizer should be elected president of Nokia.05:54
robbiethe1stWell, he couldn't do a /worse/ job of it05:54
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: cuz you have a clue.05:54
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: I'll look in my letterbox next day, if maybe Flop has heard your suggestion and made up his mind05:56 is so beautifully cyclic.05:56
GeneralAntillesIt's like deja vu all over again.05:56
robbiethe1stOff topic, but do either of you guys know of a good 'intro to linux' video on youtube. I'm looking for a good video to point my dad to05:56
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DocScrutinizer"linux in 15 minutes - for those who already learnt what's a mouse"?05:58
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robbiethe1stNah, actually... My dad would probably have less of a hard time of it than most. He was very good with dos; owned an original IBM PC(XT I think). Windows wise, he's sort of learned a few things, but never took the time05:59
robbiethe1stNow, he's concerned(somewhat more than he should be) about being tracked and keylogged and such, and asked me about linux(cause I like it and all)06:00
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DocScrutinizertell him shell is the best dosbox he ever seen06:00
DocScrutinizerand there's no more driveletters06:01
DocScrutinizerthat's about all he has to know06:01
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robbiethe1stHm, just ran across this: So... I'm sold! I see no reason to even think about using Windows 7 after reading this.06:04
tank-manone thing i have that isn't supported under windows 7 64bit, my pvr250 (mpeg2 tv capture card)06:06
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robbiethe1st...And my printer at work.06:09
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javispedromy soundcard, tv tuner, printer, scanner, Palm m130, gamepad, all don't work in windows 706:27
javispedro(for half of them, lack of 64 bit drivers is to blame though)06:27
javispedrothe other half -- soundcard, gamepad -- have been "deprecated"06:28
robbiethe1stMy soundcard... sort of worked in w7 x64.06:31
robbiethe1st(Creative Audigy 2zs)06:31
javispedro"sort of" being the key, with half of the outputs not working, gameport being forcefully disabled06:34
javispedroand of course software mixing instead of hardware..06:34
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robbiethe1stYeah. That.06:35
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robbiethe1stI /could not/ get SPDIF(digital out) working.06:36
robbiethe1stA problem because my best speakers take digital input over RCA06:36
SpeedEvilDigital output is evil!06:37
SpeedEvilGotta be encrypted!06:37
robbiethe1stThing is, I wasn't trying to do blu-ray or anything. Just play frigging TF2.06:38
robbiethe1st(blu-ray is no problem, mind you - MakeMKV + linux + mplayer = shiny 1080p ownage.06:38
robbiethe1stwith no unskippables!06:38
SpeedEvilSkipping unskippable scenes makes the baby Jesus sad.06:39
robbiethe1stNo, it makes the mpaa sad.06:40
robbiethe1stIt makes everyone else happy!06:40
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H0M37Hi Guys15:01
H0M37quick question15:01
H0M37Can I install Maemo on my Samsung Galaxy S 215:01
* dm8tbr facepalms15:02
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* DocScrutinizer creates an android "app" (some void nonsense to show an animated gif) and will name it "maemo"15:05
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dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: sell it for 99,99€15:05
DocScrutinizera short video of maemo bootsequence should sell for 0.7915:06
DocScrutinizerdang, if only I was the asshat to really do it15:07
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: nah, the 99bucks app is "meego" ;-P15:08
lolcatDocScrutinizer: Are you finnish?15:08
DocScrutinizernot really. Why?15:08
lolcatJust curious about Finland15:09
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DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: surprisingly the both apps are basically identical15:10
lolcatWhy did you tell H0M37 no?15:10
lolcatHe *could*, he just needs to make his own dialer, liblocation, and drivers15:11
lolcatAnd bootloader15:11
DocScrutinizermaybe because ShadowJK and jacekowski are no asshats either? ;-)15:11
lolcatI really don't understand how you can't virtualize N900 hardware15:12
jacekowskibecause we don't have specs for it?15:13
jacekowskino specs for fmtx15:13
jacekowskino specs for most important part of it, rapuyama15:13
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lolcatCan't we just detatch it and bruteforce it?15:14
jacekowskirapuyama firmware is around 10M15:14
jacekowskiit takes ages to reverse engineer something so big15:14
SpeedEvilI thought it wasn't actually encrypted15:15
lolcat10M? They reverse engineered TTD and it w as bigger15:15
SpeedEviljust singed15:15
SpeedEvillolcat: Well - yes15:15
SpeedEvillolcat: It's a case of manpower15:15
SpeedEvillolcat: Some have done interesting work RE stuff.15:15
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SpeedEvilBut to RE it all gets expensive15:15
SpeedEvilIn terms of dev time.15:15
jacekowskilolcat: not really15:16
jacekowskilolcat: TTD is around 1/4th of that15:16
jacekowskilolcat: rest of it is just resources, graphics and shit15:16
jacekowskilolcat: rapuyama is 10M of pure arm code15:16
jacekowskiover 10M15:16
lolcatAnd it is encrypted?15:16
jacekowskithat is interfacing to unknown hadware15:16
jacekowskibut it's interfacing to unknown hardware15:17
lolcatBut the raputama has to be taking commands from  another program, rigth? like the dialer and the kernel?15:17
jacekowskiyes, those commands are quite simple15:17
jacekowskipart of them15:17
lolcatAnd we can't take rapuyama and make it talk to a virtualized interface?15:18
ShadowJKthere's specs for fmtx btw, atleast I read them once. Was thinking about adding the chip's auto-free-freq-hoppig feature15:18
jacekowskiShadowJK: where?15:18
jacekowskiShadowJK: i've had a look and it was all behind huge NDA15:19
lolcatIt the modem part of  the mobo or can it be replaced?15:19
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jacekowskiit's all on single 12 layer board15:20
jacekowski12 or 17?15:20
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lolcatOh, so we can't detatch it and monitor the wires15:21
jacekowskiwe can run tcpdump on phonet interface15:21
jacekowskiphonet is quite well documented and opensource15:22
jacekowskiit's just what is running over it that is not documented at all15:22
lolcatHow can it be that big? Isn't cellmo pretty simple?15:22
jacekowskiit has to run, 3g, gprs, edge, hspa, GPS, phone calls, data,15:23
jacekowskieverything realtime15:23
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lolcatI wouldn't mind dropping the GPS15:23
jacekowskibattery charging15:23
jacekowskiwell, not in n90015:23
DocScrutinizerwe'll port maemo to samsung third. second is N9. Very first is N950. Dang, "same CPU", "same modem", even "same bootloader" - I planned to finish this lil fancy wok last weekend, but then my GF...15:24
jacekowskibut it's still monitoring battery for some reason15:24
lolcatDocScrutinizer: Can I have a N950?15:24
jacekowskiis N9 running rapuyama as well?15:24
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lolcatI would never use a N915:24
DocScrutinizerno, but you can have a N9 - it's way more cute and has same core hw15:24
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: sure as hell15:25
lolcatIt is to small to not have a kb15:25
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lolcatN900 was perfect15:26
lolcatIf only it  could have the N-7000 cpu15:26
lolcator rather apu15:26
DocScrutinizerlolcat: in my daywork I'm working on sw like that in cellmo, it takes ~1 day to build on a normal PC15:26
ShadowJKjacekowski; this not it?
DocScrutinizerlolcat: so much for complexity of cellmo FW15:27
lolcatBut there is no hope communicating to Nokia that they should give us  the specs?15:27
jacekowskilolcat: no15:28
jacekowskipart of code for it is not made by nokia15:28
ShadowJKI imagine it'd be easier to replace the components on maemo side than reimplement a cellular modem..15:28
jacekowskiit's nokia and TI chip15:28
jacekowskiand a lot of it is legacy cruft15:28
lolcatHow  about my samsung? Is it also secrety with its drivers?15:30
DocScrutinizera good question15:30
ShadowJKyes, most likely15:30
DocScrutinizerfor cellmo it depends15:30
ShadowJKWell also locked bootloader except on google branded device, I think?15:30
jacekowskiwell, calypso has been reverse engineered15:31
jacekowskiand specs for it has leaked on the interwebs15:31
jacekowskiexcept calypso is gsm only15:31
jacekowskiShadowJK: i don't think s15:31
DocScrutinizerthe galaxy S-II (IIRC the model) has a M5730 or sth of STE, which is semi-documented15:31
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jacekowskiShadowJK: samsung seems to be quite open15:31
jacekowskiShadowJK: it voids your warranty, but otherwise it's free for all15:32
jacekowskiShadowJK: i think it's country dependent15:34
DocScrutinizerstill they don't think publishing sourcecode of RIL is sth they might consider to do15:34
jacekowskiShadowJK: as it looks like all samsung phones in EU are unlocked15:34
jacekowskiShadowJK: but stuff for US market seems to be locked15:34
DocScrutinizerCAIF protocol is open, so RE of RIL shouldn't be too hard15:35
DocScrutinizer(I can look up in the sources how hard it may get ;-D )15:36
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lolcatDocScrutinizer: So if you had time you could make maemo 2 with debian squeeze and a new dialer and drivers?15:37
DocScrutinizerand iirc at some level the M57x0 supports AT15:38
DocScrutinizerlolcat: yeah, if only God gave me more time til I have to knock on heaven's door, I could do that15:39
lolcatBut  think  of the joy it'd bring me15:39
DocScrutinizerfor some of "drivers" at  least15:39
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DocScrutinizerwill you still be around to receive that gift when I finish my work in 70 years?15:40
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DocScrutinizeror are you planning to pay me for hiring a crew of 150 gifted hackers, so we can finish it in maybe 18 months?15:41
lolcatThe average age in Norway will  probably have passed 100 in 70  years15:41
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TermanaI don't think you understand how that works15:42
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DocScrutinizerbut will you find a working hardware to run that shit on it, in 70 years?15:43
DocScrutinizerooh hi Termana !15:43
lolcatDocScrutinizer: Uhm, if it is open source and linux based it would jut be to move the new drivers to your device15:44
* DocScrutinizer idly waits for n00bmonkey to pop up here15:44
lolcatJust make your software forward compatible with new debian releases15:44
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DocScrutinizeryeah, if the nozzle at the petrol pump is nicely specified, then it's just a question of the right adapter when you buy a new car15:46
DocScrutinizerLPG? Methanol? Tesla roadster? :shrug:15:47
TermanaHell I just shove the diesel nozzle in and hope unleaded comes out15:48
lolcatI could run my hyundai on methanol15:48
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lolcatI could convert it to use LPG15:48
lolcatOr electrizity15:48
DocScrutinizerdiesel *is* unleaded ;-P15:49
lolcatRunning it on diesel wouldn't work15:49
lolcatBut diesel is old fashion15:50
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lolcatDocScrutinizer: I saw a guy filling up his LPG car, he forgott removing the tube, started driving, the car suddenly stops, he didn't understand what it was and try driving again, the car stops and he gets out and realize he is a moron.15:53
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ShadowJKold diesels are awesome in the way they'll run on almost anything16:08
ShadowJKnew diesels are awesome in the way that their exhaust is cleaner than the surrounding air in big cities :P16:08
HurrianShadowJK, not to mention diesel is fucking cheap16:09
SpeedEvilAlso turbodiesel approaches 50% efficieincy16:09
ShadowJKDepends where you live, in some places it costs more than petrol16:09
Hurrianwtf, it's less refined16:10
ShadowJKbut you still benefit from the increased efficiency16:10
SpeedEvilDiesel - to remove sulphur - is not less refined16:10
ShadowJKWell refineries more or less output a fixed ratio of diesel and petrol I thought?16:10
ShadowJK(and everything between bitumen and propane)16:11
Hurriananyways, was skeptical about diesel as i hear the big trucks every day ridiculously loud etc etc until i got a toyota fortuner just recently16:11
Hurrianit's at least 2km/L more efficient than my cr-v, quiet on the inside (loud on the outside, sucks for them), and diesel is ~10% cheaper than gasoline16:12
Hurrianwhich leaves me wondering: why has the world kept this money-saving secret from me my whole life16:14
ShadowJKSeems in some parts of the world people have this weird fear of diesel :P16:15
TermanaTalking about petrol and prices. I almost find it hilarious how America is going hysterical over petrol prices and how it is killing everyones budgets, when it is only (converted) 1 single stinking Australian dollar per litre at it's $4 per gallon peak, when the normal amount here is about $1.50 (australian dollars)16:18
ShadowJKA tv news channel here did a cute comparison of "how much does it cost to drive 1000km", now, 10 and 20 years ago. Adjusted for value of money, etc16:19
ShadowJKit showed it's getting cheaper because cars are getting more efficient :P16:19
ShadowJKdespite rising fuel prices16:19
Termanaheh :p16:19
jogathe average price of gas here currently is about 1.715 euros a litre16:20
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ShadowJKWas 1.799 when I filled up last week16:20
TermanaShadowJK, Don't even try explaining that to the general public16:20
Termana(the more efficient bit)16:21
Termanajoga, is that normal prices? That's about $2.17 AUD. Where as the $1.50 is about our normal prices, since you know... Australia has struck some mining resources and we are doing pretty well against everyone else16:22
SpeedEvil - click (at bottom left) 'higher rate mobility component, and find cars. Then select 'sort by high-low mileage.16:23
SpeedEvilThen skip to page three because the sort is silly16:23
SpeedEvilyou can see that cars start out at 85MPG16:23
jogaTermana pretty normal I guess16:23
SpeedEvilAdmittedly, these are 10% larger than US gallons, and very small cars.16:23
jogathe price doesn't concern me much personally because I don't need to own a car16:24
SpeedEvilThere are 40 cars before it hits 75MPG16:25
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DocScrutinizera funny philosophical aspect: while US thinks "I got one gallon, where to do I get with that?", the EU approach is "I wanna go there, how many litres do I need for that?"16:27
ShadowJKhere it's how many litres per 100km16:28
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sasquatchUS and "thinks" in the same sentence?   looks strange!16:29
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SpeedEvilInteresting - sorting by horsepower - there are _lots_ more cars with tiny petrol engines, then you get to 80hp or so diesels, and the fuel economy shoots up16:30
SpeedEvilTurbodiesel kicks in.16:30
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Maceranybody use dovecat?16:33
Maceri'm trying to figure out how to set up something like denyhosts on my damn synology box16:34
Maceri keep getting script kiddie on my dovecat port16:34
Macerand apparently the built in dovecat is too stupid to realize it16:34
ShadowJKI use dovecot, but I have it behind vpn16:34
Macersince synology has an automatic detecting thing16:34
Macerlike denyhosts16:34
Macerbut it doesn't work for invalid email attempts16:34
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DocScrutinizerusing nonstandard ports always a good idea16:36
MacerDocScrutinizer: yeah but the assholes will portscan16:37
Macerthen try everyting on each port16:37
Macereasier way is to just make invalid logins add the host to hosts.deny16:37
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Macerafter so many attempts16:37
Macercan't seem to find a way to do it16:37
DocScrutinizerhmm, I have to say I haven't seen a single attack on my non-22 ssh16:37
DocScrutinizerin > 1 year16:37
DocScrutinizera friend told me about a generic tool to do the blacklisting you mentioned, for virtually all services. I forgot the name :-S16:39
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peetahDocScrutinizer, Macer : fail2ban ?16:45
Macerpeetah: not sure16:50
Macerhonestly not positive if fail2ban works with dovecot16:50
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peetahthere is a dovecot.conf filter in debian wheezy16:51
Macerno fail2ban on the synology16:52
Maceri need to turn this thing off if it can't stop this idiocy16:53
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DocScrutinizerpeetah: this might've been it16:54
Maceryeah. it's fail2ban16:56
Macerbut no fail2ban for synology :-/16:56
Maceri was hoping to not have to run a sep server but oh well16:56
Macermaybe  i'll look into qnap16:56
Macerand see if they have an email server that integrates a blocking filter16:56
Macerit is kind of stupid that this isn't built into the synology. damn thing only works for web logins to the server but the imap/smtp stuff is wide open for brute forcing16:57
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kent_autisticany way to activate/deactivate phone vibration via proximity sensor. like if i put my n900 inside my pocket, then vibration turns on and vice versa17:15
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DocScrutinizerkent_autistic: you might want to explore dbus-scripting pkg17:52
massoudhi there, do you know if it is possible w/ maemo/n900 to see the lapdm/q921/q931 messages of the gsm interface (w/ dbus for instance) ?17:52
DocScrutinizernot sure if it could do what you asked for17:52
LaoLang_coolHello, I find my google talk isn't stable, it lost msg sometimes17:54
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Guest3650hi, after my rootfs was filled up to 100%, i had problems with apt-get, I decided to reflash n900, but i think i screwed up by flashing PR_COMBINED first intead of VANILA image18:36
Guest3650now i can only flash the PR_COMBINED but VANILA fails saying flasher did not claim interface before use, any help?18:37
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Guest3650how to fix?18:49
infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is
Guest3650is the flasher not compatible with debian lenny?18:55
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DocScrutinizershould work19:02
DocScrutinizeryou can't screw up flashing so it will fail afterwards19:03
DocScrutinizerflash COMBINED, VANILLA, COMBINED(again)19:03
DocScrutinizershould always work, except for problems with your PC19:04
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DocScrutinizerbtw a filled-up root frequently doesn't require flashing of VANILLA to recover19:05
DocScrutinizermeh, drive-by asker?19:06
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bindiare there any dashcam apps for the n900?19:19
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divan0Hi all. What could be the source of problem with N900, if it just stopped to receive sms messages. Sending is ok, calls are ok, but nobody can send sms to n900 - it returns "error" immediately.19:19
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divan0Tested that sim-card on different phone - works, so the sim card is ok.19:20
DocScrutinizerwho's returning "error"?19:20
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divan0DocScrutinizer: when I send sms from other phone to N900, I'm getting "error status"19:21
divan0instead of "delivered19:21
DocScrutinizerusual cause: corrupted eventsdb19:21
divan0DocScrutinizer: but it sends sms correctly. I guess sent messages are also stored in eventsdb19:22
DocScrutinizerthere are threads in tmo how to fix it, though simply deleting all your conversations and phonelogs should work as well19:22
divan0DocScrutinizer: hmm, thanks19:22
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DocScrutinizerbtw some users would be happy to learn how to get that state ;-D19:24
DocScrutinizercould also be a problem with your carrier's SMS exchange19:25
divan0I'll write an how-to, If understand the source of problem :)19:25
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DocScrutinizerwell, for the howto I assume you could edit /etc/default/csd-sms ENABLE=1 to 019:40
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DocScrutinizerno detailed clue though how to tackle your problem19:41
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RST38h"Facebook is buying Instagram, the company who makes the popular mobile photo-sharing app of the same name, for approximately $1 billion."21:04
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trxis there a way to set exposition time to for example 20-30sec with any camera app?21:29
trx(on n900)21:29
r00t|homewouldn't the question be if the api to access the camera supports it (or the hardware)?21:30
trxits implied that api would need to do that too21:30
trxi dont want to use the api21:30
trxi want an application that can do it21:31
trxhence the question21:31
trxi'm sorry, i'm in a bit of a bad mood, i apologize21:32
NIN101camera-ui2 i think21:32
trxthanks i'll check that21:32
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DocScrutinizerI dunno if any app exists for that, but afaik SpeedEvil had cmdline magic spells to shoot photos of night sky22:52
DocScrutinizersth along gstreamer22:52
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ShadowJKphone-control scripts also have something, iirc23:05
ShadowJKoh, nm23:06
ShadowJKfcamera and lowlight (didn't work with kernel power last time I tried)23:06
ShadowJKlowlight is kinda interesting, it combines a short exposure high gain shot with a long exposure shot23:07
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