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| vi__ | hi ho | 00:22 |
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| merlin1991 | ho hi | 00:22 |
| vi__ | so what is this jazz with ke-recv I am seeing? | 00:22 |
| merlin1991 | bad build that placed a symlink in /etc/init.d which does not get removed by dpkg upon upgrading to the clean build | 00:23 |
| vi__ | what did the SL point to? | 00:23 |
| merlin1991 | something that doesn't exist on the n900 | 00:24 |
| vi__ | lols | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | silly newer debhelper does things for you regarding upstart | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | which actually messes things in case you compile for n900 | 00:24 |
| vi__ | well I guess that is why it is called testing branch. | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | partly :) | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | but we always aim to fix things quickly | 00:24 |
| vi__ | you will never get a job with M$ with that kind of attitude. | 00:25 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 00:25 |
| vi__ | so noob question. | 00:25 |
| vi__ | is it safe to update yet? | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | it's sage by now | 00:26 |
| vi__ | I have a standard disk layout. | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | just make sure your catalogues include the 3.1 update | 00:26 |
| vi__ | it is sage. | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | dang | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | s/sage/safe/ :D | 00:26 |
| vi__ | it is going now! | 00:27 |
| * vi__ holds breath | 00:28 | |
| merlin1991 | if it goes bad you're only 3 cmdlines away from fixing it again :) | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | though it shouldn't | 00:28 |
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| vi__ | what is the symptom of the problem? | 00:29 |
| merlin1991 | no mydocs | 00:29 |
| vi__ | heh | 00:29 |
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| vi__ | I used to want to combine mydocs and /home. | 00:30 |
| vi__ | then i realised it would brake backup menu | 00:30 |
| merlin1991 | I yielded in quite a funky bugreport: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12594 | 00:30 |
| povbot | Bug 12594: the todays CSSU update messed up my N900 completely !!! | 00:30 |
| merlin1991 | s/quite a/a quite/ | 00:31 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: I yielded in a quite funky bugreport: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12594 | 00:31 |
| povbot | Bug 12594: the todays CSSU update messed up my N900 completely !!! | 00:31 |
| vi__ | ok | 00:31 |
| vi__ | I shall now reboot | 00:32 |
| merlin1991 | btw vi__ when you've got cssu specific questions you've got an even better chance for answers over in #maemo-ssu | 00:32 |
| vi__ | mm, ok. | 00:32 |
| vi__ | is that where the cool kids hang out nowa days? | 00:32 |
| lolcat | povbot: Oo, that looks unfortunate | 00:32 |
| povbot | lolcat: Error: "Oo," is not a valid command. | 00:32 |
| merlin1991 | it is where the cssu devs hang out, dunno if we're the cool kids :D | 00:33 |
| vi__ | yeah, you guys are pretty cool. I wish my e-peen was as massive. | 00:34 |
| vi__ | brb | 00:34 |
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| robbiethe1st | So, guys, how would I track down a battery drain when not in use? Powertop isn't showing anything that I can tell... | 05:36 |
| robbiethe1st | With wifi off, no apps running(and no sim in it), I'm losing about 20%/8 hours. | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | htop | 05:37 |
| SpeedEvil | +screen | 05:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Login with ssh+screen, setup htop to do sort by cumulative time | 05:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Why login with ssh? | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Or just reset, leave it for some hours idle, and look at processes with significantly nonzero times | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | the system is lots more idle with it than if you need to open the screen | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | the display | 05:38 |
| robbiethe1st | But wouldn't that be mostly xorg usage? which we already know of and can discount? | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I also heard that missing SIM *may* cause massive power drain | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - get the bq* script - and set it running when idle | 05:40 |
| robbiethe1st | That being said, I'm seeing: browser, with 33:03.99, bme_RX-51 with 23:14.92, pulseaudio with near the same... | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | over screen | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | might make sense, when device constantly is scanning all the networks, for a possible 911 call | 05:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Could have some problem... This device has a blown(I think) cellmodem. | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | what happens in flight-mode? | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 05:41 |
| robbiethe1st | It gives that 'all functionality disabled' message on startup | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you been faster than me :-D | 05:41 |
| robbiethe1st | And yes, in flight mode, it still has battery drain | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's not modem | 05:41 |
| robbiethe1st | I always put it in flight mode overnight, and it's draining fairly signifigantly now | 05:41 |
| robbiethe1st | (as in last couple of months | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | uSD inserted? | 05:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah, but I've had that same uSD for over a year+, on this device and my other one | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, we've seen shorts when no uSD | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so that's not it either | 05:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Thing is, it's not like a major power drain, like what happens if you leave a running app open. It's just... a little more than it should be | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | something tweaked on audio? | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or mediaplayer? | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | (seen amp not shutdwon during "pause") | 05:45 |
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| robbiethe1st | Um, question. In htop, the cumulative time column is in what units? | 05:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Is it hh:mm.mm or mm:ss.ss | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | the latter I guess | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | have you changed your WLAN setup? | 05:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm... At one point I tried to setup bluetooth PAN, but never got it working; Now, up in the 'tray' there's an icon that looks like a vertical arrow going into two half circles, split in the middle(so 4 quadrants) | 05:47 |
| SpeedEvil | anything in app-scren it may relate to? | 05:48 |
| robbiethe1st | And there's dummy network/dummy_iap in the internet connection box | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 05:48 |
| robbiethe1st | No, I know it relates to when I installed some nokia dummy networking package | 05:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Because it appeared at that time | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, flight mode should tear down WLAN as well | 05:49 |
| robbiethe1st | I didn't think of it until now, though | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably even BT | 05:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah, it does do that. But this other, unique icon, still exists. and I have no clue what it means | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | means "antenna", FWIW | 05:49 |
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| robbiethe1st | interesting | 05:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's that XML file, forgot the path/name, that configs the position of those things in statusbar | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | should have a name | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the remnants there in that file probably are the reason why you see that amtenna icon | 05:53 |
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| robbiethe1st | could be | 05:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Not sure it's a remnant though; the package is still installed | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer should be elected president of Nokia. | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 05:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, he couldn't do a /worse/ job of it | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: cuz you have a clue. | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | XD | 05:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I'll look in my letterbox next day, if maybe Flop has heard your suggestion and made up his mind | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | talk.maemo.org is so beautifully cyclic. | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like deja vu all over again. | 05:56 |
| robbiethe1st | Off topic, but do either of you guys know of a good 'intro to linux' video on youtube. I'm looking for a good video to point my dad to | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | oufff | 05:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "linux in 15 minutes - for those who already learnt what's a mouse"? | 05:58 |
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| robbiethe1st | Nah, actually... My dad would probably have less of a hard time of it than most. He was very good with dos; owned an original IBM PC(XT I think). Windows wise, he's sort of learned a few things, but never took the time | 05:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Now, he's concerned(somewhat more than he should be) about being tracked and keylogged and such, and asked me about linux(cause I like it and all) | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tell him shell is the best dosbox he ever seen | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there's no more driveletters | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's about all he has to know | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 06:01 |
| robbiethe1st | heh | 06:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | Hm, just ran across this: http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html So... I'm sold! I see no reason to even think about using Windows 7 after reading this. | 06:04 |
| tank-man | one thing i have that isn't supported under windows 7 64bit, my pvr250 (mpeg2 tv capture card) | 06:06 |
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| robbiethe1st | ...And my printer at work. | 06:09 |
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| javispedro | my soundcard, tv tuner, printer, scanner, Palm m130, gamepad, all don't work in windows 7 | 06:27 |
| javispedro | (for half of them, lack of 64 bit drivers is to blame though) | 06:27 |
| javispedro | the other half -- soundcard, gamepad -- have been "deprecated" | 06:28 |
| robbiethe1st | My soundcard... sort of worked in w7 x64. | 06:31 |
| robbiethe1st | (Creative Audigy 2zs) | 06:31 |
| javispedro | "sort of" being the key, with half of the outputs not working, gameport being forcefully disabled | 06:34 |
| javispedro | and of course software mixing instead of hardware.. | 06:34 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yeah. That. | 06:35 |
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| robbiethe1st | I /could not/ get SPDIF(digital out) working. | 06:36 |
| robbiethe1st | A problem because my best speakers take digital input over RCA | 06:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Digital output is evil! | 06:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Gotta be encrypted! | 06:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Probably. | 06:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Thing is, I wasn't trying to do blu-ray or anything. Just play frigging TF2. | 06:38 |
| robbiethe1st | (blu-ray is no problem, mind you - MakeMKV + linux + mplayer = shiny 1080p ownage. | 06:38 |
| robbiethe1st | with no unskippables! | 06:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Skipping unskippable scenes makes the baby Jesus sad. | 06:39 |
| robbiethe1st | No, it makes the mpaa sad. | 06:40 |
| robbiethe1st | It makes everyone else happy! | 06:40 |
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| H0M37 | Hi Guys | 15:01 |
| H0M37 | quick question | 15:01 |
| H0M37 | Can I install Maemo on my Samsung Galaxy S 2 | 15:01 |
| H0M37 | ?? | 15:01 |
| ShadowJK | no | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | no | 15:02 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: sell it for 99,99€ | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | a short video of maemo bootsequence should sell for 0.79 | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, if only I was the asshat to really do it | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: nah, the 99bucks app is "meego" ;-P | 15:08 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Are you finnish? | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really. Why? | 15:08 |
| lolcat | Just curious about Finland | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: surprisingly the both apps are basically identical | 15:10 |
| lolcat | Why did you tell H0M37 no? | 15:10 |
| lolcat | He *could*, he just needs to make his own dialer, liblocation, and drivers | 15:11 |
| lolcat | And bootloader | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe because ShadowJK and jacekowski are no asshats either? ;-) | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | ? | 15:12 |
| lolcat | I really don't understand how you can't virtualize N900 hardware | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | because we don't have specs for it? | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | no specs for fmtx | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | no specs for most important part of it, rapuyama | 15:13 |
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| lolcat | rapuyama? | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | cellmo | 15:13 |
| lolcat | Can't we just detatch it and bruteforce it? | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | no | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | rapuyama firmware is around 10M | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | it takes ages to reverse engineer something so big | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought it wasn't actually encrypted | 15:15 |
| lolcat | 10M? They reverse engineered TTD and it w as bigger | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | just singed | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | lolcat: Well - yes | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | lolcat: It's a case of manpower | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | lolcat: Some have done interesting work RE stuff. | 15:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | But to RE it all gets expensive | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | In terms of dev time. | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: not really | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: TTD is around 1/4th of that | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: rest of it is just resources, graphics and shit | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: rapuyama is 10M of pure arm code | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | over 10M | 15:16 |
| lolcat | And it is encrypted? | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | that is interfacing to unknown hadware | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | no | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | but it's interfacing to unknown hardware | 15:17 |
| lolcat | But the raputama has to be taking commands from another program, rigth? like the dialer and the kernel? | 15:17 |
| jacekowski | yes, those commands are quite simple | 15:17 |
| jacekowski | part of them | 15:17 |
| lolcat | And we can't take rapuyama and make it talk to a virtualized interface? | 15:18 |
| jacekowski | no | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | there's specs for fmtx btw, atleast I read them once. Was thinking about adding the chip's auto-free-freq-hoppig feature | 15:18 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: where? | 15:18 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: i've had a look and it was all behind huge NDA | 15:19 |
| lolcat | It the modem part of the mobo or can it be replaced? | 15:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Part | 15:20 |
| jacekowski | it's all on single 12 layer board | 15:20 |
| jacekowski | 12 or 17? | 15:20 |
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| lolcat | Oh, so we can't detatch it and monitor the wires | 15:21 |
| jacekowski | we can run tcpdump on phonet interface | 15:21 |
| jacekowski | phonet is quite well documented and opensource | 15:22 |
| jacekowski | it's just what is running over it that is not documented at all | 15:22 |
| lolcat | How can it be that big? Isn't cellmo pretty simple? | 15:22 |
| jacekowski | rotfl | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 15:23 |
| jacekowski | it has to run, 3g, gprs, edge, hspa, GPS, phone calls, data, | 15:23 |
| jacekowski | everything realtime | 15:23 |
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| lolcat | I wouldn't mind dropping the GPS | 15:23 |
| jacekowski | battery charging | 15:23 |
| jacekowski | well, not in n900 | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | we'll port maemo to samsung third. second is N9. Very first is N950. Dang, "same CPU", "same modem", even "same bootloader" - I planned to finish this lil fancy wok last weekend, but then my GF... | 15:24 |
| jacekowski | but it's still monitoring battery for some reason | 15:24 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Can I have a N950? | 15:24 |
| jacekowski | is N9 running rapuyama as well? | 15:24 |
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| lolcat | I would never use a N9 | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, but you can have a N9 - it's way more cute and has same core hw | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure as hell | 15:25 |
| lolcat | It is to small to not have a kb | 15:25 |
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| lolcat | N900 was perfect | 15:26 |
| lolcat | If only it could have the N-7000 cpu | 15:26 |
| lolcat | or rather apu | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: in my daywork I'm working on sw like that in cellmo, it takes ~1 day to build on a normal PC | 15:26 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski; this not it? http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN332.pdf | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: so much for complexity of cellmo FW | 15:27 |
| lolcat | But there is no hope communicating to Nokia that they should give us the specs? | 15:27 |
| jacekowski | oO | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | lolcat: no | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | part of code for it is not made by nokia | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine it'd be easier to replace the components on maemo side than reimplement a cellular modem.. | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | it's nokia and TI chip | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | and a lot of it is legacy cruft | 15:28 |
| lolcat | How about my samsung? Is it also secrety with its drivers? | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | a good question | 15:30 |
| ShadowJK | yes, most likely | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | for cellmo it depends | 15:30 |
| ShadowJK | Well also locked bootloader except on google branded device, I think? | 15:30 |
| jacekowski | well, calypso has been reverse engineered | 15:31 |
| jacekowski | and specs for it has leaked on the interwebs | 15:31 |
| jacekowski | except calypso is gsm only | 15:31 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: i don't think s | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the galaxy S-II (IIRC the model) has a M5730 or sth of STE, which is semi-documented | 15:31 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: samsung seems to be quite open | 15:31 |
| ShadowJK | oh? | 15:32 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: it voids your warranty, but otherwise it's free for all | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.stericsson.com/products/m5730-thor.jsp | 15:33 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: i think it's country dependent | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | still they don't think publishing sourcecode of RIL is sth they might consider to do | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: as it looks like all samsung phones in EU are unlocked | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: but stuff for US market seems to be locked | 15:34 |
| lolcat | Awesome | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | CAIF protocol is open, so RE of RIL shouldn't be too hard | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I can look up in the sources how hard it may get ;-D ) | 15:36 |
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| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: So if you had time you could make maemo 2 with debian squeeze and a new dialer and drivers? | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and iirc at some level the M57x0 supports AT | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | natively | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: yeah, if only God gave me more time til I have to knock on heaven's door, I could do that | 15:39 |
| lolcat | But think of the joy it'd bring me | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | for some of "drivers" at least | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will you still be around to receive that gift when I finish my work in 70 years? | 15:40 |
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| lolcat | Probably | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or are you planning to pay me for hiring a crew of 150 gifted hackers, so we can finish it in maybe 18 months? | 15:41 |
| lolcat | The average age in Norway will probably have passed 100 in 70 years | 15:41 |
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| Termana | I don't think you understand how that works | 15:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but will you find a working hardware to run that shit on it, in 70 years? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh hi Termana ! | 15:43 |
| Termana | yello | 15:43 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Uhm, if it is open source and linux based it would jut be to move the new drivers to your device | 15:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly waits for n00bmonkey to pop up here | 15:44 | |
| lolcat | Just make your software forward compatible with new debian releases | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, if the nozzle at the petrol pump is nicely specified, then it's just a question of the right adapter when you buy a new car | 15:46 |
| lolcat | yep | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | LPG? Methanol? Tesla roadster? :shrug: | 15:47 |
| Termana | Hell I just shove the diesel nozzle in and hope unleaded comes out | 15:48 |
| lolcat | I could run my hyundai on methanol | 15:48 |
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| lolcat | I could convert it to use LPG | 15:48 |
| lolcat | Or electrizity | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | diesel *is* unleaded ;-P | 15:49 |
| lolcat | Running it on diesel wouldn't work | 15:49 |
| lolcat | But diesel is old fashion | 15:50 |
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| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I saw a guy filling up his LPG car, he forgott removing the tube, started driving, the car suddenly stops, he didn't understand what it was and try driving again, the car stops and he gets out and realize he is a moron. | 15:53 |
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| ShadowJK | old diesels are awesome in the way they'll run on almost anything | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | new diesels are awesome in the way that their exhaust is cleaner than the surrounding air in big cities :P | 16:08 |
| Hurrian | ShadowJK, not to mention diesel is fucking cheap | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Also turbodiesel approaches 50% efficieincy | 16:09 |
| ShadowJK | Depends where you live, in some places it costs more than petrol | 16:09 |
| Hurrian | wtf, it's less refined | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | but you still benefit from the increased efficiency | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Diesel - to remove sulphur - is not less refined | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | Well refineries more or less output a fixed ratio of diesel and petrol I thought? | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | (and everything between bitumen and propane) | 16:11 |
| Hurrian | anyways, was skeptical about diesel as i hear the big trucks every day ridiculously loud etc etc until i got a toyota fortuner just recently | 16:11 |
| Hurrian | it's at least 2km/L more efficient than my cr-v, quiet on the inside (loud on the outside, sucks for them), and diesel is ~10% cheaper than gasoline | 16:12 |
| Hurrian | which leaves me wondering: why has the world kept this money-saving secret from me my whole life | 16:14 |
| ShadowJK | Seems in some parts of the world people have this weird fear of diesel :P | 16:15 |
| Termana | Talking about petrol and prices. I almost find it hilarious how America is going hysterical over petrol prices and how it is killing everyones budgets, when it is only (converted) 1 single stinking Australian dollar per litre at it's $4 per gallon peak, when the normal amount here is about $1.50 (australian dollars) | 16:18 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 16:18 |
| ShadowJK | A tv news channel here did a cute comparison of "how much does it cost to drive 1000km", now, 10 and 20 years ago. Adjusted for value of money, etc | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | it showed it's getting cheaper because cars are getting more efficient :P | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | despite rising fuel prices | 16:19 |
| Termana | heh :p | 16:19 |
| joga | the average price of gas here currently is about 1.715 euros a litre | 16:20 |
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| ShadowJK | Was 1.799 when I filled up last week | 16:20 |
| Termana | ShadowJK, Don't even try explaining that to the general public | 16:20 |
| Termana | (the more efficient bit) | 16:21 |
| Termana | joga, is that normal prices? That's about $2.17 AUD. Where as the $1.50 is about our normal prices, since you know... Australia has struck some mining resources and we are doing pretty well against everyone else | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.motabilitycarscheme.co.uk/main.cfm?Type=CS - click (at bottom left) 'higher rate mobility component, and find cars. Then select 'sort by high-low mileage. | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Then skip to page three because the sort is silly | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | you can see that cars start out at 85MPG | 16:23 |
| joga | Termana pretty normal I guess | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Admittedly, these are 10% larger than US gallons, and very small cars. | 16:23 |
| joga | the price doesn't concern me much personally because I don't need to own a car | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | There are 40 cars before it hits 75MPG | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a funny philosophical aspect: while US thinks "I got one gallon, where to do I get with that?", the EU approach is "I wanna go there, how many litres do I need for that?" | 16:27 |
| ShadowJK | here it's how many litres per 100km | 16:28 |
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| sasquatch | US and "thinks" in the same sentence? looks strange! | 16:29 |
| sasquatch | :-P | 16:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Interesting - sorting by horsepower - there are _lots_ more cars with tiny petrol engines, then you get to 80hp or so diesels, and the fuel economy shoots up | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Turbodiesel kicks in. | 16:30 |
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| Macer | anybody use dovecat? | 16:33 |
| Macer | i'm trying to figure out how to set up something like denyhosts on my damn synology box | 16:34 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 16:34 |
| Macer | i keep getting script kiddie on my dovecat port | 16:34 |
| Macer | and apparently the built in dovecat is too stupid to realize it | 16:34 |
| ShadowJK | I use dovecot, but I have it behind vpn | 16:34 |
| Macer | since synology has an automatic detecting thing | 16:34 |
| Macer | like denyhosts | 16:34 |
| Macer | but it doesn't work for invalid email attempts | 16:34 |
| Macer | wtf? | 16:34 |
| Macer | :) | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | using nonstandard ports always a good idea | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.onlinesocialmedia.net/20110707/dove-and-cat-nap-youtube-viral-video-sleeping-puss-disturbed/ | 16:36 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: yeah but the assholes will portscan | 16:37 |
| Macer | then try everyting on each port | 16:37 |
| Macer | everything | 16:37 |
| Macer | easier way is to just make invalid logins add the host to hosts.deny | 16:37 |
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| Macer | after so many attempts | 16:37 |
| Macer | can't seem to find a way to do it | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I have to say I haven't seen a single attack on my non-22 ssh | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | in > 1 year | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | a friend told me about a generic tool to do the blacklisting you mentioned, for virtually all services. I forgot the name :-S | 16:39 |
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| peetah | DocScrutinizer, Macer : fail2ban ? | 16:45 |
| Macer | peetah: not sure | 16:50 |
| Macer | honestly not positive if fail2ban works with dovecot | 16:50 |
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| peetah | there is a dovecot.conf filter in debian wheezy | 16:51 |
| Macer | no fail2ban on the synology | 16:52 |
| Macer | heh | 16:52 |
| Macer | damnit | 16:53 |
| Macer | i need to turn this thing off if it can't stop this idiocy | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | peetah: this might've been it | 16:54 |
| Macer | yeah. it's fail2ban | 16:56 |
| Macer | but no fail2ban for synology :-/ | 16:56 |
| Macer | i was hoping to not have to run a sep server but oh well | 16:56 |
| Macer | maybe i'll look into qnap | 16:56 |
| Macer | and see if they have an email server that integrates a blocking filter | 16:56 |
| Macer | it is kind of stupid that this isn't built into the synology. damn thing only works for web logins to the server but the imap/smtp stuff is wide open for brute forcing | 16:57 |
| Macer | ugh | 16:57 |
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| kent_autistic | any way to activate/deactivate phone vibration via proximity sensor. like if i put my n900 inside my pocket, then vibration turns on and vice versa | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kent_autistic: you might want to explore dbus-scripting pkg | 17:52 |
| massoud | hi there, do you know if it is possible w/ maemo/n900 to see the lapdm/q921/q931 messages of the gsm interface (w/ dbus for instance) ? | 17:52 |
| kent_autistic | package? | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure if it could do what you asked for | 17:52 |
| LaoLang_cool | Hello, I find my google talk isn't stable, it lost msg sometimes | 17:54 |
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| Guest3650 | hi, after my rootfs was filled up to 100%, i had problems with apt-get, I decided to reflash n900, but i think i screwed up by flashing PR_COMBINED first intead of VANILA image | 18:36 |
| Guest3650 | now i can only flash the PR_COMBINED but VANILA fails saying flasher did not claim interface before use, any help? | 18:37 |
| Guest3650 | !flashing | 18:38 |
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| Guest3650 | how to fix? | 18:49 |
| Guest3650 | ~flashing | 18:49 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:49 |
| Guest3650 | is the flasher not compatible with debian lenny? | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should work | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't screw up flashing so it will fail afterwards | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | flash COMBINED, VANILLA, COMBINED(again) | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | should always work, except for problems with your PC | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw a filled-up root frequently doesn't require flashing of VANILLA to recover | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, drive-by asker? | 19:06 |
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| bindi | are there any dashcam apps for the n900? | 19:19 |
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| divan0 | Hi all. What could be the source of problem with N900, if it just stopped to receive sms messages. Sending is ok, calls are ok, but nobody can send sms to n900 - it returns "error" immediately. | 19:19 |
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| divan0 | Tested that sim-card on different phone - works, so the sim card is ok. | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's returning "error"? | 19:20 |
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| divan0 | DocScrutinizer: when I send sms from other phone to N900, I'm getting "error status" | 19:21 |
| divan0 | instead of "delivered | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | usual cause: corrupted eventsdb | 19:21 |
| divan0 | DocScrutinizer: but it sends sms correctly. I guess sent messages are also stored in eventsdb | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are threads in tmo how to fix it, though simply deleting all your conversations and phonelogs should work as well | 19:22 |
| divan0 | DocScrutinizer: hmm, thanks | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw some users would be happy to learn how to get that state ;-D | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | could also be a problem with your carrier's SMS exchange | 19:25 |
| divan0 | I'll write an how-to, If understand the source of problem :) | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, for the howto I assume you could edit /etc/default/csd-sms ENABLE=1 to 0 | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no detailed clue though how to tackle your problem | 19:41 |
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| RST38h | "Facebook is buying Instagram, the company who makes the popular mobile photo-sharing app of the same name, for approximately $1 billion." | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Insanity | 21:04 |
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| trx | is there a way to set exposition time to for example 20-30sec with any camera app? | 21:29 |
| trx | (on n900) | 21:29 |
| r00t|home | wouldn't the question be if the api to access the camera supports it (or the hardware)? | 21:30 |
| trx | its implied that api would need to do that too | 21:30 |
| trx | i dont want to use the api | 21:30 |
| trx | i want an application that can do it | 21:31 |
| trx | hence the question | 21:31 |
| trx | i'm sorry, i'm in a bit of a bad mood, i apologize | 21:32 |
| NIN101 | camera-ui2 i think | 21:32 |
| trx | thanks i'll check that | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I dunno if any app exists for that, but afaik SpeedEvil had cmdline magic spells to shoot photos of night sky | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth along gstreamer | 22:52 |
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| ShadowJK | phone-control scripts also have something, iirc | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | oh, nm | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | fcamera and lowlight (didn't work with kernel power last time I tried) | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | lowlight is kinda interesting, it combines a short exposure high gain shot with a long exposure shot | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 23:10 |
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