IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-04-08

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piggzmerlin1991: just wondered..last time i checked, qml was a no-go in the store, it must have been added to the -ssu repo at some point?00:04
merlin1991hm I'm pretty sure it's ok00:04
merlin1991though I'm not 100% sure00:04
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: missing sleep?00:09
DocScrutinizerI just thought you might need a break. Maybe it's me who does00:09
merlin1991nah lately I'm active from 13 - 04 CET :D00:14
merlin1991my sleeping time shifted into the day :)00:14
DocScrutinizerhmm, I know this from my rhythm, too well00:15
merlin1991I'm currently trying to shift if back again00:17
merlin1991but always around midnight I find something interesting and end up investing about 4 hours :D00:17
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, no qt-components in store01:11
MohammadAGyou can workaround that by including them with your app01:12
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ShadowJKthough that would increase runtime memory requirements i bet02:24
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GeneralAntillesHaha, sjgadsby is kicking our asses in the karma game.03:34
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, ping04:43
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Macernew cssu08:47
Macerand a new power kernel08:48
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Maceris there a changelog? :)08:58
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Macerzoom functionality? :)09:02
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kjkHello,I'm installing neopwn to my n900 ,i  extract the w00t.tar.gz to /home/user/.neopwn and what should i edit the /opt/neopwn/control-panel-ui/etc/conf.py10:36
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joshgilliesanyone in here have info relating to backupmenu and mutiboot?11:20
joshgilliesthe following thread suggests that there has been work toward to:
joshgilliesbut I was hoping for something that I can install via apt-get rather than messing around with dpkg11:22
* joshgillies has been away from the Maemo scene for a while now and needs to catch up11:22
SpeedEvilYou've heard about the n1000? It's got KDE!11:24
* SpeedEvil mehs at reality.11:24
joshgilliesSpeedEvil the plasma active tablet?11:26
SpeedEvilActually - that too,11:26
SpeedEvilwhich is interesting.11:26
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SpeedEvilI may not actually buy that, but I'm donating $50ish if I don't11:30
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MrPinguI want to resize MyDocs, and then create an ext3 partition of 4GB for Easy Debian: can I just connect MyDocs in massstorage and then use Gparted?12:45
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NIN101drive-by asker :S12:47
WizzupSpeedEvil: I suppose it's interesting if we can put maemo on it12:48
WizzupWhich should be possible since it uses Mer, afaik12:48
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MrPinguNIN101 you mean me? I couldn't make that up from the wiki12:49
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MrOppositeHi, on my n900 I got some problems with hildon-home, or something linked to it. Yesterday late at night I was going to bed, so I started to sign out of skype and facebook on both my phone and my computer. Now whenever the phone is turned on it gets spammed with these notification windows (the yellow ones that leads to a chatwindow if I press it).13:03
MrOppositeI tried rebooting the phone, but it keeps doing it.13:03
MrOppositeI thought about waiting for it to stop, but it loops through the same messages again and again.13:03
MrPinguDeleting the particular chat?13:03
MrOppositeI thought about clearing the chathistory that spams the phone, but it keeps spamming notification13:04
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MrOppositeIt actually renders the phone pretty useless13:04
MrOppositeAs hildon-home is eating up 100% CPU13:04
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MrPinguWeird, I guess it can't help you further, sorry.13:05
MrOppositeokay, thanks anyway13:05
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MrPinguI would have fixed it with reflash, or try to delete the whole eventdb13:11
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SpeedEvilMrOpposite: I assume you can't ssh in?13:16
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: pong13:20
DocScrutinizerNIN101: indeed13:22
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DocScrutinizer~drive-by asker is somebody who fires a question at IRQ, then vanishes before anybody could answer13:24
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay13:24
DocScrutinizer~forget drive-by asker13:25
infobotDocScrutinizer: i forgot drive-by asker13:25
DocScrutinizer~drive-by asker is somebody who fires a question at IRC, then vanishes before anybody could answer13:25
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer13:25
MrOppositesorry i was afk13:25
MrOppositeSpeedEvil I can start the xterminal on the device itself, so I can probably ssh in13:26
MrOppositeThe device is not useless per sé, but I cant use it as a phone in the state it's in.13:27
MrOppositeI'm gonna look into what that is13:27
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DocScrutinizerfind ~user -iname '*vents*'13:28
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DocScrutinizerfind ~user -iname '*vent*'13:29
DocScrutinizeror maybe not13:30
* DocScrutinizer should shutup and get coffee and aspirin13:30
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MrOppositeThanks anyway DocScrutinizer13:33
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DocScrutinizerwait a bit, SpeedEvil  will eventually pick up. dunno what he had in mind13:34
juozapaswhere i can find change log of this update ?13:34
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DocScrutinizerwhere can I find your definition of "this update"13:34
SpeedEvilI'm not sure.13:35
SpeedEvilapt-get remove the facebook thingy?13:35
DocScrutinizeraaah, are you the famous guy who asked the third time "what's new in this update" on CSSU tmo thread?13:35
juozapasDocScrutinizer: newest :) update manager just show me that thereis a new update of cssu13:36
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juozapasDocScrutinizer: no, it's not me :D13:36
MrOppositeI could try13:36
MrOpposite(Well it's skype but anyway)13:36
DocScrutinizerjuozapas: anyway, you're in an infamous row. don't you know and never heard of cssu wiki?13:37
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Abissommy 2 cents : MrOpposite, disabling the chat account doesn't help?13:37
juozapask, thx DocScrutinizer13:38
MrOppositeAbissom just tried to uninstall the chatpluginenginethingi13:40
MrOppositerebooting phone now13:40
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Abissomhmm, :/13:41
MrOppositeI hate when this happens... It usually means I have to merge together all my contacts... again13:42
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AbissomMrPingu_: for partitioning we generally use Bootmenu (or something else that exposes whole emmc via usb)13:44
MrOppositeDarnit... still giving me notifications13:45
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Abissomi used BackupMenu to repartition mine13:45
MrPingu_I just discovered that, thanks anyway Abissom13:45
MrPingu_Hmm, why is my original nick in use? IRC is acting on me =(13:46
MrOppositeanyway what are those windows called?13:46
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MrPingu_Notifications bubbles?13:46
MrOppositethe notification thingies? I don't know what keywords to google13:46
MrOppositehmm, isn't bubbles the little yellow thingies that pop up in the top of the screen?13:47
MrOppositeThe notification thingies I'm talking about look like real windows when you go to the screen-selector13:47
MrOpposite(with the exception of being yellow)13:47
MrPingu_I know what you mean13:47
MrPingu_I would guess just notification windows13:48
MrOppositeyea I'm googleing that now13:48
Maceroh hells yeah13:49
Macervan damme classic13:49
MrOpposite3000 new messages atm13:50
MrOppositeand rising13:50
MrPingu_Can't find your problem13:51
MrOppositeAnd it's the same messages, over, and over, and over...13:51
MrPingu_Did you try logging in, logging out, removing account, enabling account again??13:51
MrOppositeuhm, I tried logging in and out13:52
MrOppositeremoving account13:52
MrOppositenot enabeling it13:52
Macer3000 messages? lol13:52
DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: a) spam attack b) IM account and messaging prog problem  c) notification infra problem13:52
MrPingu_Are you attached to your messages?13:52
MrOppositeMrPingu_ not really13:53
Macermaybe you are somehow managing to loop your messages :)13:53
MrOppositeMacer yes... thats my problem13:53
* SpeedEvil remembers 1996. When he got to 8% of his ISPs inbound mail stream.13:53
MrOppositeit loops the same messages13:53
Macerwhat are you using?13:53
MrOppositeit loops a conversation over and over...13:53
Maceris this IM or email?13:53
MrOppositeUhm, the built in skype client13:53
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DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: what IS the msg anyway?13:54
Macerdo you have some weird jabber thing set up to get the skype msgs?13:54
SpeedEvil- I had started posting to usenet using email ID per message. This was before spam took off. Then spam took off.13:54
Macerwhere it forwards it somehow13:54
Macerturn off all forwarding on your skype acct :) and see if that fixes it13:54
MrOppositeDocScrutinizer Uhm, its a conversation about what happened on a train?13:54
MrPingu_Hmm I think rtcom-eventlogger is playing up??13:55
DocScrutinizerso normal inbound chat notification that gets duplicated over and over again?13:55
Maceryou are probably double forwarding and causing a flood of msgs13:55
MrOppositeDocScrutinizer yea13:55
MrOppositeMacer I removed the skype account13:55
Macerguess that will do the trick too heh13:55
MrOppositeit still spam me13:55
Macerturn off email notifications on skype as well13:55
MrOppositeI dont have email notification on skype?13:56
Macerno? they don't forward missed txts to email? weird. thought they did13:56
Maceroh wait. these are skype IMs?13:56
MrOppositeyea it's skype IMs13:56
DocScrutinizerfirst of all: stop skype13:57
DocScrutinizerin terminal13:57
MrOppositedidn't have any skyhost running13:57
DocScrutinizersorry I can't help there as I refuse to touch skype13:57
Macerwell.. it's looping somehow. awesome trick. if you find out how you did it let me know heh13:57
MrOppositeso I guess it's off13:57
Maceri would say maybe you added yourself as a contact and it just ran amok?13:58
MrOpposite(my skype account doesn't exist in my phone anymore13:58
MrOppositeMacer it happened when I signed out of skype13:58
MrOppositewhen I was going to bed last night13:58
Macerand it kept sending IMs with the acct disabled?13:58
MrOppositenot when I was adding contacts or anything13:58
Maceror removed?13:58
Maceror kept sending emails?13:58
MrPingu_You could mv -r  /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/  /some/backup/location/13:59
Macerthat's the strangest thing i ever heard of heh13:59
Maceri used skype for quite a while and never ran into that problem.. but i got rid of it on my n900 and only use it for a home number13:59
Macermostly because skype is a battery whore13:59
MrPingu_reboot and see if you still get spammed...14:00
Macerand txting working in a stupid fashion14:00
MrOppositeMrPingu_ i removed it, gonna try reboot now14:00
MrPingu_That command moves the conversations database to some other location14:00
MrPingu_You could also do rm -r but if it doesn't help, you can't restore...14:01
Macerspeaking of the n90014:02
Macerhas anybody tried nemo?14:02
MrOppositestill spamming14:02
Macerouch heh14:02
MrOppositeI mean I got one email notification14:02
MrOppositeone missed call notification14:02
MrOppositeand 4000 skype IM (looped) notifications14:02
MrOppositeso it's only the skype conversation that loops14:03
MacerLOL... wtf?14:03
Abissomi wonder if you don't need some 'dbus' thing.. monitor what exactly is happening14:03
Macerthis is with the acct removed from the n900?14:03
MrOppositeyes the acc is removed14:03
Abissomyeah.. i admit i'm not even sure how that will help14:03
Maceryou did go into conversations and delete the actual conversation right?14:04
MrPingu_Do you have some notification plugin installed?14:04
MrOppositenot... that I know of, no14:04
MrPingu_Well then you probably don't have;)14:04
Abissomalso, htop might be handy.. showing you which process is causing this14:05
MrOppositetop or htop?14:06
MrPingu_Thanks NIN101 I found out that bootmenu also has usbmassstorage support =)14:06
Abissomany, although i use htop mostly14:06
MrOppositeguess htop14:06
MrOppositeWhen I was top-ing before14:07
MrOppositehildon-home used all available CPU14:07
Abissomkill it as user, not root14:07
Abissomhmm, you have cssu? if so, which flavor?14:08
DocScrutinizerI'd suspect /usr/bin/hildon-sv-notification-daemon, killall -sigstop hildon-sv-notification-daemon14:08
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DocScrutinizeryou also may want to mv /home/user/.osso/ /home/user/.osso/rtcom-notification-ui.data__away14:10
infobotit has been said that cssu is
DocScrutinizerhonestly I don't exactly see an easy way to recover from that, as those notifiers need interactive ack, no?14:11
DocScrutinizerand what got cssu to do with this?14:12
MrOppositeI moved the rtcom ui-thingi away14:12
MrOppositeaswell as killed the hildon-sv-notification-daemon (several times)14:12
MrOppositeand killed hildon-home14:12
MrOppositeshould I reboot the device again?14:13
DocScrutinizeryou mustn't kill those processes, as they either cause reboot or will be started again immediately14:13
MrOppositewell hildon-home crash itself after some time14:14
DocScrutinizerkillall hildon-home might help after renaming all those *db14:14
MrOppositeand start all over again with the spamming of messages14:14
DocScrutinizerI bet hildonhome crashes when trying to show zillions of notifiers14:14
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MrOppositeI moved away the .osso-folder14:15
MrOppositedidn't work either14:15
DocScrutinizerI never looked into all that, so I got no clear idea which processes are involved in notifier popup. Others here might be more experienced14:16
DocScrutinizerbut what I seem to know is that notifieres are stored in a db14:16
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DocScrutinizerso renaming all suspect ones, then rebooting should at least stop the madness14:17
DocScrutinizermy fav candidates for renaming: /home/user/.osso/ /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/notifications.db /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db-journal14:19
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DocScrutinizerkillall -SIGSTOP hildon-home etc14:19
DocScrutinizerthen rename, then immediately reboot14:20
DocScrutinizeryou know you sigstop'ed the right process when the madness stops and no more new notifiers pop up14:21
MrOppositesigstop on hildon-home stopped the madness...14:21
MrOppositerenaming important folders MAY not have been such a good idea after all...14:22
DocScrutinizerpossibly stopping certain proceses may trigger watchdog reboot after 30..60s14:22
MrOppositeAnyway, I think i need to reflash the device now14:23
MrOpposite(I went bananaz in my quest to stop the madness, and renamed pretty much every config folder there was... now the device refuses to start)14:24
Abissomi think you don't, but it may be quickest way to recover14:24
DocScrutinizeralso you should make sure you got a "plan B" backdoor, like backupmenu. So if your renaming causes any bootloop, you could revert to prev state via that14:24
MrOppositeuhm, maybe if someone told me that earlier :P14:25
MrOppositeLet's hope it solves itself after a reflasg14:25
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MrOppositeI'd be REALLY suprised if it doesn't solve it14:25
MrOppositeI mean factory restore14:26
DocScrutinizerI suspect a hickup in one of the databases. and reflashing COMBINED won't touch your user $HOME so won't restore the db either14:26
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MrOppositedid flasher3.5 work with windows 7?14:27
DocScrutinizereven while the X server maybe won't start when you've hidden some essential .config, I'd still expect wlan and ssh to come up and work14:28
MrOppositeI think I remember reading somewhere that it doesn't14:28
MrOppositeDocScrutinizer it's stuck in the 5 white dots loadingscreen14:28
DocScrutinizerat that point a lot of services not related to hildon may already run14:29
AbissomMrOpposite: NIN101 worked on a very useful RescueOS. you might try it14:29
MrOppositewhere do I find it?14:29
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PaliNIN101, can you add to rescue os option to recreate /dev/console, /dev/tty, /dev/zero and /dev/null ?14:33
MrOppositeuhm what does the n900 pull from the usbport when the data-pins are shorted?14:34
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MrOppositeAs in how much milli ampere14:35
DocScrutinizermax ~100014:35
Sicelodon't charge the phone from PC usb using RescueOS (or BackupMenu)14:35
DocScrutinizerusually less14:35
MrOppositeSicelo yea I read about that14:36
MrOppositebut what I mean is, I have a usb-cable that shorted the data-pins14:36
MrOppositeto emulate a wall-charger14:36
* DocScrutinizer wonders if should tell robbiethe1st about how to tweak charger script to draw max 500mA14:36
MrOpposite(So I can charge my phone in my computer while the computer is in sleep-mode and only giving power through the usb-ports, not communicating14:36
DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: odds are in worst case that'll fry your PC14:37
DocScrutinizerthough that's a problem in PC then, as USB is defined as shortcircuit safe14:38
MrOppositeWill it fry because of doing it over time, or fry the moment I try it?14:38
MrOppositeBecause I've been doing that for like 2 months14:39
DocScrutinizera friggin *lot* of other devices doesn't care at all about this particular problem: USB mug heater, 3.5" USB HDD etc pp14:39
DocScrutinizerafter 2 months you can consider it tested and working ;-)14:39
MrOppositeokay, cool14:39
MrOpposite(I always have my laptop in my backpack in sleepmode, so that's like a HUGE batterypack for my n900)14:40
MrOppositeanyway, now I'm gonna flash my phone :P14:41
DocScrutinizernot many PC can provide even full 500mA to USB during sleep14:41
MrOppositeman how did this work again?14:42
MrOpposite(the boot into flash-mode)14:42
MrOppositefirst real poweroff (no usb)14:43
MrOppositeCould someone link me to a guide?14:43
MrOppositeoh wait14:43
MrOppositenvm someone did14:43
MrOppositeNOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes.14:50
MrOppositeUhm, my curious mind wants to know why :P14:50
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DocScrutinizerbecause flashing eMMC deletes /opt, and during first boot of a proper rootfs it will get autogenerated (aka optified) again14:56
DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: ^^^14:56
MrOppositeah, okay14:56
DocScrutinizerNB this happens *very* rapidly during first boot, so you might think "it hasn't booted yet" but actually you already ruined the virgin rootfs, so after flashing eMMC it won't boot anymore14:58
DocScrutinizeron the bright side you *always* can flash rootfs/COMBINED as last step, and it will always result in a working (=optifying) system14:58
NIN101Pali: hmm, I think I can, yes.14:58
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MrOppositenot... this shit again14:59
DocScrutinizerno matter in which sequence you flashed COMBINED and VANILLA before14:59
MrOppositeMy computer i flashed the n900 with before14:59
MrOppositeis not booting anymore15:00
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DocScrutinizerdang, you got the gremlins today15:00
MrOppositethis computer runs windows 7 64-bit and don't run flasher-3.5 properly15:00
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DocScrutinizernfc anout winlose15:00
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DocScrutinizerabout, even15:00
MrOppositelet's install flasher-3.5 on my 3rd computer15:00
MrOppositewith linux15:00
DocScrutinizergood idea15:01
MrPingu_I thought someone made livecd for flashing purposes15:01
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DocScrutinizerthis, though a briliant idea, hasn't happened  yet afaik15:01
NIN101* DocScrutinizer wonders if should tell robbiethe1st about how to tweak charger script to draw max 500mA <-- I am interested in that too ( so I can autostart it in rescueOS which should be very useful.15:02
DocScrutinizersome nice knopix with proper flasher3.5 and all the COMBINED and VANILLA imgs15:02
DocScrutinizerNIN101: ok, wait a minute, I'll pick out the one-char "patch" for you15:03
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MrOppositeman, if it weren't for cygwin, I wouldn't be able to use my windowscomputer15:05
MrOppositeat.. all15:05
MrOppositeNext time I buy a computer I'm gonna check that I can actually use the GFX-card with linux...15:05
villagerwhat gfx cards are still sold that don't work with linux?15:11
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MrOppositevillager well, ATI-cards :P15:12
MrOppositeTechnically it works15:13
villagerMrOpposite: hmm, I have ATI on my desktop, and run linux...15:13
MrOppositeyea, well, it might have came out some drivers latley15:14
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MrOppositebut I don't have enough harddrive space to back up my data before attepmting to install linux on it again15:14
DocScrutinizerNIN101: see line 48...50 for rationale15:15
villagerthen again, I suppose the ATI card I have isn't the newest anymore, I guess the newest ones might not work15:15
DocScrutinizerNIN101: avoid setting reg01 to 88 or c815:16
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villagerbut that must mean my computer isn't top-end anymore... maybe I gotta upgrade... argh15:17
DocScrutinizerNIN101: 11:   i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x4c # 500mA limit, 3.4V weak threshold, enable term, charger disable15:17
MrOppositethere we go15:18
MrOppositelet's se how the phone feels after THIS fix!15:18
MrOpposite*evil laughter*15:18
MrOppositewithout "er"15:19
DocScrutinizerNIN101: see 57:15:19
DocScrutinizerNIN101: comment 84:...90:15:19
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: that's it, I hope15:20
MrOppositewhy doesn't it boot up15:20
DocScrutinizerNIN101: comments & patches apply to
MrOppositeit should boot up15:20
NIN101thanks DocScrutinizer, looking into it15:20
DocScrutinizerNIN101: maybe I feel like doing a lil fancy today and write a more 'nifty' script, for the shits'n giggles15:22
MrOppositeThis sucks15:22
DocScrutinizerwhere you can set max charge via parameter15:23
NIN101that would be cool stuff.15:23
DocScrutinizerI hit it with a sledgehammer and it actually stopped!1!!1!!!1!115:24
MrOppositeNow all my contacts are gone15:24
MrOppositeMaybe I should have thought this trough a bit more15:24
DocScrutinizerthe result of flashing eMMC15:24
MrOppositeI'm waay to impulsive15:24
MrOppositeI should get rid of the nitdroid on my memcard15:24
MrOppositeand start using those 16 gigs for something useful15:25
MrOppositelike all my photos15:25
MrOppositeI think I just sent a textmessage to my mums workphone...15:27
MrOppositeanyway Thanks for the help guis15:27
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DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: (and start using those 16 gigs for something useful) like backups ;-P15:31
MrOppositemaybe I should syncronize my phone with my computer some more15:33
saltsais that for n900?15:37
NIN101DocScrutinizer: thank you.15:37
MrOppositeDo I actually have a backup15:42
MrOppositeI might have an old backup15:42
NIN101hmm, but I think this script would make the meego kernel panic. The one working uses bq to get the information. Shouldn't be an issue to apply the changes though...15:47
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DocScrutinizerNIN101: just check for lines like >>$I2CSET -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0xc8;<<, make sure you don't set register 0x01 to any value 0x8? or 0xc?16:01
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DocScrutinizeras those are 800mA resp "unlimited"16:01
Macerwatching gangster number 116:02
Macernot too bad of a movie16:02
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NIN101DocScrutinizer: i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x48; \n  sleep 1 \n  echo -n " 500mA: " $(i2cget -y 2 0x6b 0x00) <-- i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x48 => what does 0x48 mean (sorry, apparently i2c noob here)?16:12
DocScrutinizerset bus2 reg0x01 to 0x4816:13
DocScrutinizerthe bit meanings of reg01 are "explained" in charge21.sh16:13
DocScrutinizerbit 8:4 (the two msb) are max USB current: 11 is unlimited, 10 is 800mA16:14
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DocScrutinizerso setting it to 0100 1000 means: USBlimit:01=500mA, the rest is irrelevant for here16:15
DocScrutinizerbit4 means charger-enabled16:15
DocScrutinizererr bit316:15
DocScrutinizeralso bit7:6  in above16:16
DocScrutinizer(one-off problem, not yet awake ;-D)16:16
DocScrutinizerbit3:0=0 means "no boostmode" and a few other details16:16
DocScrutinizerbit5:4 is is some threshold, I forgot what it does exactly16:17
DocScrutinizerNIN101: so *whenever* writing to register 01 ( i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 ) make sure the value is < 0b1000000016:19
DocScrutinizerI.E MSB = 016:19
DocScrutinizerNIN101: sufficiently fuzzy and arcane to spoil your day? ;-D16:20
NIN101yeah xD.16:21
DocScrutinizer#define usb_unlimited 3; #define usb_800mA 2; #define usb_500 1; #define usb_100 0; #define usb_curlim_bitpos 6;  #define reg1_usb_mask usb_unlimited << usb_curlim_pos; //set reg1 to 500mA USB:\n reg1&=~reg1_usb_mask //similar thing can be done by i2cset -m parameter; reg1|=usb_500mA<<usb_curlim_bitpos16:31
DocScrutinizerNIN101: ^^^ better?16:33
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DocScrutinizerreg1&=~reg1_usb_mask   =>  reg1&=0b0011111116:35
DocScrutinizerreg1|=usb_500mA<<usb_curlim_bitpos  => reg1|=0b0100000016:36
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DocScrutinizer=  i2cset -y -m 0xc0 2 0x6b 0x01 0x4016:38
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DocScrutinizer=  i2cset -y -m 0b11000000 2 0x6b 0x01 0b0100000016:39
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DocScrutinizera gotcha in -m: it does an implicit i2cget and then writes all 8 bit after replacing the masked bits in read value by their values from parameter. The catch is that always all 8 bits are written16:45
DocScrutinizerwhich matters for registers that yield differnt values on read than those you've written to the same register before16:45
DocScrutinizerluckily this doesn't apply for reg116:46
DocScrutinizerbut it does for e.g. reg0:7 and reg4:716:48
DocScrutinizeractually I think the explaining comment about bit meanings in is as confusing as it gets16:53
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DocScrutinizer  # Register 0x116:57
DocScrutinizer  # 8: 00 = 100, 01 = 500, 10 = 800mA16:57
DocScrutinizer  # 4: 11 = no limit16:57
DocScrutinizerbetter looks like16:57
DocScrutinizer  # 7,6 (0xc0): 00 (0x00 )= 100, 01 (0x40) = 500, 10 (0x80) = 800mA16:57
DocScrutinizer  #                 11 (0xc0) = no limit16:57
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DocScrutinizeryou're not agreeing?17:14
* RST38h moos triumphantly17:14
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: what's for "lol"?17:15
ShadowJKthose comments are written for my brain, which converts bits to hex by first adding up first hex digit, in decimal, before converting decimal to hex17:15
DocScrutinizerindeed ;-D17:16
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: could you please proofread changes done in
ShadowJKThe way I add the limit is at the part where it ramps up from 0 to 100 to 500 to 800 to unlimited17:18
DocScrutinizeryeah, I commneted out the 2 last steps17:19
DocScrutinizerbtw I guess there's no step_017:19
ShadowJKlol, the last two steps are already commented out on my local copy17:19
ShadowJKwell step 0 is at start of config() where charger is disabled17:20
DocScrutinizernot that it matters much (unless you use i2cset -m) but I changed that too, to:17:21
DocScrutinizer  # Disable charger for configuration:17:21
DocScrutinizer  i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x4c # No limit, 3.4V weak threshold, enable term, charger disable17:21
DocScrutinizershould've s/no limit/500 limit/17:22
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ShadowJKI disable charging for entering parameters, because the datasheet tells you to do it that way, and because in some circumstances I've noticed that setting some params with charger enabled results in chip throwing fault and resetting17:22
DocScrutinizerthat's absolutely correct17:23
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DocScrutinizerI just felt like setting charger's USBlimit to less than max, even while charger is disabled in same command17:23
ShadowJKhm, charge21 has my old valueas for RS and CR17:24
backtrackmobilehi guys, could someone compile me a source? i have not the sdk17:24
backtrackmobileit's a translation of the camera ui217:24
ShadowJK21/132 is what I use now17:25
DocScrutinizeryou probably better ask in #maemo-ssu, I think there's already quite a number of translations and ongoing work17:25
ShadowJKbut the 132 thing isn't entirely linear throughout a charge for some reason17:25
backtrackmobilemmm nope becouse in the mo file there arent the functions i translated17:26
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DocScrutinizerI think the whole idea to use that impedance for whatever is flawed17:26
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DocScrutinizerbacktrackmobile: seems we're talking at cross purposes17:29
backtrackmobileeh ?17:29
DocScrutinizerfist of all I got no clue what exactly might be "camera ui2"17:30
backtrackmobilecssu ?17:31
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: CV in CC/CV means constant voltage at cell incl impedance17:31
backtrackmobileit's a new camera ui with more features like hd videos etc17:31
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: not really meant to assume (or calculate) the cell impedance and adjust constant voltage of charger so it compensates that impedance and voltage drop17:33
DocScrutinizerbacktrackmobile: well, then it's what we call nikocam over at #maemo-ssu17:33
DocScrutinizerand my comment above still holds17:34
BCMM_is there a decent way to have multiple identities in Modest?17:35
backtrackmobilei'm there too17:35
BCMM_i wish to change my from address, but not set up a whole second account (i get both addresses forwarded to the same IMAP account)17:35
ShadowJKoh it's not about cell impedance17:36
DocScrutinizerBCMM_: not really afaik17:36
ShadowJKthe cell impedance in my now broken N900 was about 500 anyways :P17:36
ShadowJKthis Japod battery is around 15017:36
ShadowJKcharges much faster17:36
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: that's a shame. modest is open, isn't it?17:37
ShadowJKIf you'd do something to compensate for cell impedance you'd get over 4.2V at the battery terminals, which is a no-no in my book (but actually happens on 2mm charge port Nokias)17:37
DocScrutinizerwell, what do *you* do then with this rather random impedance figure?17:38
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DocScrutinizerisn't it like you're assuming the impedance is not in cell but somewhere on the way to there, ans also increase input voltage to >4200 to compensate the fraction of it you think is not inside cell?17:40
ShadowJKit's the imaginary resistance between charger chip and battery terminals, I assume charger is either outputting the max configured charge current, OR is outputting exactly 4.2V at its own output terminals17:40
DocScrutinizerI really don't like the whole idea17:41
ShadowJKand display imaginary "System Use" and "charger output" values :P17:41
DocScrutinizeraah, you're not changing bq24150 maxvolt?17:42
ShadowJKI have a version that does that too, but it's not distributed :P17:42
ShadowJK(it also aborts if bq27200 ever sees > 4.2V)17:43
ShadowJK"std" is, "jk" is the not existing charge31.sh17:48
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DocScrutinizernice graphs17:50
DocScrutinizerseems the improvement from 31 is marginal17:50
ShadowJKYeah it's marginal for full charge17:51
BCMM_i have an odd problem with my n900 - MyDocs is not mounted, and i can not enable mass storage mode17:51
BCMM_i recently upgraded to the new cssu-testing but i don't know if that's related17:51
DocScrutinizerwhich doesn't surprise as even the difference between fastcharging and 500mA charging is way less than you'd expect17:51
DocScrutinizerBCMM_: you caught the master bug ;-)17:52
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: known issue?17:52
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DocScrutinizerget *recent* update17:53
DocScrutinizerdelete that symlink before you do17:53
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: what do you mean, and what symlink?17:53
ShadowJKYeah my old battery reached 4.2V almost immediately, so >500 charge current period was rather short. iirc at 50% or so. This japod battery runs full charge current (ish) to 80-ish percent17:54
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: i have a few files and directories in MyDocs now, presumably created by applications that didn't know it was unmounted. Do I clear those manually?17:54
ShadowJKcharging is much faster, as well as 1400 mAh bq27200-reported capacity17:54
merlin1991BCMM_: I guess you'll have to17:54
DocScrutinizeryeah, better you do that :-D17:54
merlin1991or you'll get the fun of having a dirty mount17:54
DocScrutinizera nice catch17:54
BCMM_i've never actually tried mounting on a non-empty dir, in many years of linux use17:55
DocScrutinizerthe evil BOFH trick to hide large amounts of the storage under a mountpoint17:55
ShadowJK(thought the knee at end of discharge is so steep, that battery is effectively empty at 3.2V anyway, compared to maybe 10% remaining wehn using an old tired battery)17:55
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: ah, stuff just vanishes under it?17:55
BCMM_heh, it's a bit like when you run out of space on your harddisk17:57
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I guess cssu team has to investigate further, how to recover from this17:57
BCMM_"hmm, that's not working, better look into that sometime". "that's not working either, odd". "why are so many different things suddenly broken?"17:57
DocScrutinizerdirty mount will most likely result from that bug, and the fix instructions at least should mention it and recommend how to recover17:58
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DocScrutinizerI think it's been one of the funniest ideas in unix fs design to mount on real directories18:00
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: what would the alternative be? make mountpoints a special FS object?18:00
DocScrutinizerfor example18:00
BCMM_actually, that wouldn't be a bad idea at all now i think about it18:00
BCMM_since unix has never required that every FS object appears to be strictly a file or directory18:01
DocScrutinizerthere are devices and whatnot as well18:02
ShadowJKI once recovered from "shadow /home on ubifs" by making a bootmenu script delete it18:02
DocScrutinizeror you at very least could require mointpoint dirs to be 00018:03
DocScrutinizeror sth like that18:03
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: thanks; seems fixed now18:03
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backtrackmobiledoes a portable sdk exist?18:04
joshgillieshas anyone in here attempted to install ArchARM on their n900, via the loose instructions posted here:
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: absolutely no clue why, but my weird rotation issue is fixed now too18:04
BCMM_well, the newer of my two rotation issues anyway18:04
joshgilliesI'm giving it a go :)18:04
joshgilliesknee deep in some chroot action atm, will keep everyone posted as to my progress18:05
joshgilliesOh yeah!18:05
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ShadowJKbacktrackmobile; closest thing is the VM image.18:06
DocScrutinizerBCMM_: you should mention this at #maemo-ssu. Might be a valuable hint regarding rotation debugging18:07
backtrackmobilevmimage it like 1.4 giga18:07
BCMM_will do18:07
backtrackmobiletoo large for my data plain18:07
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dafoxhi all. I'm trying to set up my n900 to sync with google. I found the following guide:!category-topic/gmail/android/Pw_-bcsxKiA . I've spent a couple of hours on this already, and gmail now seems to work. Calendar also might to work, but contacts dont' want to sync so I'm stuck with 'error in communication with exchange server'. Has anyone here managed to get this to work? (and if so, plea18:27
dafoxse tell me how?)18:27
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dafoxok so after deleting all my contacts I managed to complete the initial synchronisation. After importing my contacts it fails to sync contacts again. Deleting contacts and it will sync again. Added just one contact, and it synced (contact is now also on google contacts). However adding all contacts again it fails to sync. Any ideas?18:59
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gormuxhi all20:01
gormuxi'd like to try nitdroid, but impossible to get it working20:01
gormuxkernel boots, finds modules, but then drops to shell20:01
gormuxanyone could help ?20:02
psycho_oreostried #nitdroid ?20:03
Abissomit's deprecated here. /join #nitdroid20:03
gormuxah ok :)20:03
gormuxdidn't remebered there was a dedicated chan20:03
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infobotmaemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED20:10
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gormuxDocScrutinizer: multiboot works for me (I can return to maemo without problems)20:12
DocScrutinizergormux: not a permanent state for all we have seen20:13
gormuxhum, good to know20:13
gormuxi'll backup often :p20:13
DocScrutinizerbetter that :-D20:13
DocScrutinizeranyway keep in minf multiboot is *FLASHING* your kernel during boot20:15
DocScrutinizeryou definitely don't want to abort this transaction20:15
gormuxyeah, I always wait for the complete crash of nitdroid before aborting :)20:16
DocScrutinizerat least that's what I think it's doing, for all I learnt about it so far (I had preferred not to)20:16
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RST38hMeanwhile: The U.S. Navy is paying a company six figures to hack into used video game consoles and extract sensitive information. The tasks to be completed are for both offline and online data.20:18
* RST38h wonders how they justified THIS one. Their PPT presentation should have looked real funny.20:18
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DocScrutinizergormux: once you try to start your device after it shutdown due to empty battery, you're most likely in for a reflash, with multiboot20:21
gormuxhum, seems strange20:22
merlin1991BCMM_: did you resolve your ke-recv problems?20:22
DocScrutinizersince then it's not you aborting the kernel flashing, but simply the empty battery causing it20:22
BCMM_merlin1991: yeah, followed the instructions at the forum link DocScrutinizer sent me and MyDocs appears to mount normally now20:23
gormuxah, you mean, no battery and I start a boot that fails due to not enough battery to boot ?20:23
DocScrutinizeryep, exactly20:23
gormuxi'll have to pay attention then20:23
gormuxthat's just for testing btw, I don't think i'll keep the dualboot20:24
DocScrutinizergetting rid of it not exactly a simple thing either, I heard20:24
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gormuxI already did this20:25
gormuxI tried nitdroid some time ago (and failed to get it booting)20:25
gormuxiirc, it wasn't very hard20:25
DocScrutinizerwell, it's deprecated here, as already been mentioned :-D20:26
DocScrutinizersince those guys *could* use proper low risk uBoot based booting20:27
DocScrutinizerif only they could get their sh** sorted20:27
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DocScrutinizerI mean, meego is doing as well, so why can't they?20:28
gormuxhum, well it does not seem to work well :)20:28
gormuxit booted, but the you have to touch the android to configure the device... and it does not want to go further20:29
gormuxthe touch is detected, but... no reaction20:29
DocScrutinizerhonestly, /join #nitdroid20:29
gormuxI did20:29
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* DocScrutinizer wonders why IO-wait counts as CPU busy time in load monitor20:33
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ShadowJKIt's to make people think overclocking is the answer20:43
DocScrutinizeranyway, I stumbled across it on my PC20:44
DocScrutinizermaybe IOWait is actually meant as "kernel driver busy"20:45
DocScrutinizerwhich would make a lot of sense with >50% IO for writing sth to a USB HDD20:46
DocScrutinizerin this sense IOwait was just another flavour of System, for CPU load20:47
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DocScrutinizerbtw, big easer backup finished :-D20:48
DocScrutinizerEaster even20:48
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DocScrutinizeryou see it's not counting IOwait to the particular process, nevertheless my CPU had a load of always >50% during that dd, mostly IOwait20:51
backtrackmobilehi guys20:51
backtrackmobilei've got some questions...20:51
backtrackmobile1) i made a flashable custom rootfs.img, can i include on it a custom kernel and custom nolo ?20:52
backtrackmobile2) is it possible to make a flasable vanilla ?20:52
DocScrutinizergoogle for fiascogen20:52
backtrackmobilenot fisco20:53
DocScrutinizer2) don't think we got the tools for that20:53
backtrackmobilei alredy have fisco20:53
DocScrutinizerand also we don't exactly know how to create custom NOLO20:53
backtrackmobileok, and, can we change the Nokia Logo on Nolo?20:53
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DocScrutinizersome users did20:54
DocScrutinizernuke it20:54
DocScrutinizerno new img though, as the format is kinda uberscrewed20:54
backtrackmobilei did it to, but with changed color.. i want to delete the nokia logo :D20:54
merlin1991Fsckd kubuntu live disk, boooooot already20:55
DocScrutinizerI think the easiest way been to set foreground==background20:55
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: did you oil it?20:56
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: you must properly apply lubricant, otherwise buntkuh live never boots ;-P20:57
merlin1991hm I got to the try/install ubuntu screen, now watching a black screen20:57
merlin1991You've got to be kidding me :/20:58
* DocScrutinizer yawns and idly ponders about other nasty puns to run against buntkuh20:58
merlin1991Oversized output towards the display20:58
backtrackmobilei had a serius problem with ubu 3 days ago, but.. was not ubu :) was the videocard buffer20:58
backtrackmobilethere was some black pixels, some broken windows :D and many reboots :D20:59
merlin1991Well I nuked grub by instling another copy of win721:00
joshgilliesis there work on getting the linux 3.x kernel onto the n900?21:00
* DocScrutinizer hates how canonical/shuttleworth hijacked linux and now pervert it into some windows for geeks, while not at all caring about linux main or anything21:00
merlin1991now trying to boot ANY amd64 livedisk to get a grub21:00
merlin1991Err get a chroot21:00
DocScrutinizerjoshgillies: yep, on SHR21:01
backtrackmobilebut restore the grub its easy21:01
DocScrutinizernot on maemo though21:01
joshgilliesDocScrutinizer any furth info for me?21:02
joshgilliesDocScrutinizer np Google to the rescue21:03
DocScrutinizer http://shr-project.org21:03
DocScrutinizerdunno what mer/nemo is doing wrt kernel21:03
joshgilliesgives me some direction none the less, thanks for the DocScrutinizer21:07
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: get a grub-"floppy", boot to your linux, reinstall grub_HDD from real system21:09
DocScrutinizerseems quite a number of linux installation CDs also offer "boot to system on HDD"21:10
DocScrutinizerthe god ol' bootfloppy21:11
DocScrutinizernow in disguise as CD/DVD21:12
DocScrutinizeraaah, sorry21:12
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DocScrutinizer~wiki floppy disk21:13
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{redirect|Floppy}} A 'floppy disk' is a disk storage medium composed of a disk of thin and flexible magnetic storage medium, sealed in a rectangular plastic carrier lined with fabric that removes dust particles. They are read and written by a 'floppy disk drive' (FDD). Floppy disks, initially as {{convert|8|inch|adj=on}} media and later in {{convert|5.25|inch|adj=on}} and ...21:13
DocScrutinizerI can't expect you ever heard of this ancient technology ;-D21:13
backtrackmobilemerlinoooo ma che stai facendo ? <<< what are you doing ?21:14
backtrackmobilemove, i'm becoming old...21:15
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merlin1991Nomodeset fixed that so far21:32
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dafoxok, so in case anyone cares: it seems that if you add your contacts back with at most 5 or so at a time you can get them to show up in your google contacts, and syncing works. Note: before starting my google contacts were empty, and everything was on my n900 only. I backup my n900's contacts, synced to empty n900 to empty google contacts, and then everytime imported 5 contacts back into the n900, and then synced to google contacts. repeat for all22:11
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