IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-04-03

whatever4everwhy use 2g/3g switcher? when do you go to 2g?00:02
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whatever4everNIN101: but when I reboot, it comes up with significantly less battery showing than before I rebooted00:03
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whatever4everwhat do you guys think about using all IM, skype, etc over bitlbee/irc on the n900?00:06
ShadowJKreboot screws up battery meter00:07
ShadowJKuse 2g whenever you're not surfing the web00:07
whatever4everoh, so it auto-powers off sooner?00:07
whatever4everwon't 2G make the connectivity worse and cause more reconnections?00:07
ShadowJKUm, depends on your operator00:08
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ShadowJKfor me 3g is less reliable00:08
whatever4evertmo in cali00:08
ShadowJK3g is an enormous battery drain for all sorts of IM00:08
whatever4everwhy is it worse using IM than nothing? IM is low traffic...00:08
ShadowJKBecause it's frequent traffic00:09
whatever4everAlso, using bitlbee for skype and all other IM - what do you think?00:09
ShadowJKI'm not familiar with bitlbee00:09
whatever4everputs everything over IRC00:09
whatever4everHaving contacts everywhere is getting crazy: pidgin, contacts, etc00:09
whatever4evereverytime I IM on my desktop using skype my phone vibrates00:09
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whatever4everHey guys, when you get a long IM history (sms) - I've years of messages - I'd like to keep these, but also speed up various conversations opening...00:40
whatever4everI like the way skype does it where it doesn't have all the history in the same window.00:41
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DocScrutinizeryou're aware that a huge SMS database most likely is one of the top culprits for device acting sluggish? And not only on opening conversations app, but also on any event that gets recorded to the database00:54
DocScrutinizerand slowdown impact is global, not limited to the apps that use the database00:54
lolcatCan't you export it to another program?00:56
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ShadowJKWell also the conversations is rendered by the browser..00:59
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villagerwhatever4ever: I'm certainly another who often switches to 2G. as 2G is generally both more reliable (better signal, longer range, fewer dropouts), and uses less battery... the *only* advantage of 3G is speed, and I don't need that very often01:03
ShadowJKI used to get 256kbit/s on 2g, but it has dropped around here lately, so I now switch to 3g if I'm doing heavier web surfing, before I didn't do that01:04
villageryeah, the 2G/3G switcher is a must-have01:05
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lolcatI love having 10mbps on the phone01:06
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freemangordonping X-Fade11:54
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godtrunksi have a nokia  n800 OS200811:58
godtrunksand when i try to install something11:59
godtrunksit says that i have lib files missing. What can i do?11:59
godtrunkssome help here guys?12:00
Khertanhi godtrunks12:02
Khertanwhat said apt-get install -f ?12:02
godtrunksi try with apt-get upgrade -f12:03
godtrunks0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 184 not upgraded12:04
godtrunkswith apt-get install -f12:05
godtrunksany ideea?12:05
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MrPingu184 not upgraded :o Might be an good idea to update...12:07
godtrunksi try with apt-get update12:11
godtrunksapt-get upgrade12:11
godtrunksi try with "-f "and without12:11
godtrunkssame problems when i try ti install.i have all repositories12:12
godtrunkssame problem12:12
MrPinguWhat do you mean exactly with "nothing" ?12:13
godtrunksis not updated or upgraded12:13
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godtrunksi have lib files missing libdbus-1-3, libdbus-glib-1-2 libgcc1 libglib2.0-0 and the list continues12:14
godtrunksi have lib files missing libdbus-1-3, libdbus-glib-1-2 libgcc1 libglib2.0-0 and the list continue12:14
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godtrunksi tryed to flash the device and same problem12:16
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godtrunkssome hlp?12:20
Khertanwhat is your list of repository ?12:20
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godtrunksall of them12:34
godtrunksi think12:34
godtrunkscan i give a link from where i've got my repository?12:35
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ShadowJKlibdbus-1-3 is installed by default?12:43
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ShadowJKso it should be there when flashed, and also in nokia's repo12:52
ShadowJKlooks like it would be quite impossible to remove too12:52
godtrunksand what can i do?13:01
ShadowJKoh wait, you have N80013:02
ShadowJKI didn't scroll far up enough13:02
ShadowJKalthough my N800 also has libdbus-1-3, ver 1.0.2-0osso1413:04
godtrunksany ideea?13:04
godtrunkswhat can i do?13:04
ShadowJK"all of them" sounds like a bad choice of repositoried for any device13:05
godtrunksthey ar for OS200813:05
godtrunksthey are for OS200813:05
godtrunksand if i install OS2007 or OS2006 all applications are working13:06
godtrunksbut on OS2008 i have those lib files missing13:06
godtrunksany ideea?13:09
ShadowJKexample of an app that wont install?13:09
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ShadowJKcan you pastebin output of: apt-cache show pidgin | grep Filename13:12
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godtrunksi have to reboot my device13:14
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godtrunksand the device is not starting any more13:15
godtrunksis rebooting13:15
ShadowJKi tried simulate with apt-get on my N800 (which has diablo extras repo enabled) and N810 (diablo extras devel), and that seemed fine13:16
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godtrunksit won't star13:16
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godtrunksmy n800 is not starting any more13:16
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ShadowJKremove battery, put it back in13:21
ShadowJKalthough if you did anything where apt-get asked if you are sure, and you had to type yes, it probably blew away the os13:22
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godtrunksi use apt-get install --reinstall and some applications13:24
godtrunksi flash-it now is ok13:24
ShadowJKWell I have to leave for work, I'll check irc later if I have time13:28
godtrunksnow is working13:28
godtrunksi think i had few bad repository13:28
godtrunksi think i had a repository from my n90013:29
godtrunksnow my n800 is working fine and i had install pidgin with no errors13:29
ShadowJKanything with "fremantle" in the name is N90013:33
godtrunksi'm sure that i had one repository from n900 because i saw sib13:34
godtrunksa video player13:34
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totalizatorself therapy - I've just dropped my n900 and it fallen apart :O (just the battery and cover); fortunately it works well again13:38
godtrunksi have sent my n900 to warranty13:43
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ShadowJKMPlayer from N900 repository would crash on N800 even if it installed16:16
ShadowJKdue to MPlayer on N900 making use of the Neon extensions in the Cortex A8 cpu16:17
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* RST38h moos16:32
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infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is
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jhbI get the beloved "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to  a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device". Tried paper, bent the 6 sim connectors. Doesn't make any difference. Any suggestions?17:31
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jhband if there is no (obvious) solution: I still have warranty. Assumiing that nokia won't give me another n900, how can I make sure that I get a n9 as a replacement (or even better: n950 )?17:47
StyXmanno n950 for you17:48
StyXmanor for anyone17:48
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jhbStyXman: yes, was just dreaming for a second18:01
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merlin1991anybody from italy/czech/denmark/norway here who could translate a string for cssu to their own language?21:29
* guly is from italy21:30
merlin1991the string in question is "Continous view" and is the caption to an option in the pdf-viewer that enables "normal" scrolling (the stock viewer only let's you scroll within one page and has buttons for pageswitch)21:30
merlin1991guly: ^^21:33
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gulyosx translated it as "Pagina singola continua"21:39
freemangordontoo long :(21:39
gulymaybe just pagina continua ?21:39
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freemangordonNFC, I am bulgarian :D21:39
freemangordonactually sounds good21:39
merlin1991guly: nfc aswell, you have to know :)21:39
MrPinguMy screen is scratched, don't ask me how. I was always very gentle with my leather case21:39
villagerI'm from Norway, but probably could not translate that... evince translates "Continuous" as "Sammenhengende", but I'm not sure what to use for "view"21:40
MrPinguand somehow the uppermost film, is, well, sort of burned away. Don't know how to describe it but  anyway, what I wanted to ask: Do I only need to replace the digitizer?21:41
MrPinguGuys, already got dutch translation?21:41
merlin1991villager: if you find a better caption that does not translate directly to continuous view it's fine aswell21:41
gulyisn't "pagina continua" short enough?21:41
merlin1991pagina continua is short enough21:41
merlin1991it just has to fit funciton21:41
gulysingola means single, it's useless IMO21:42
freemangordonMrPingu, AFAIK no21:42
villagermerlin1991: what is the caption for the "not continuous" view? or is it a checkbox?21:42
freemangordonguly, "pagina continua" should be translated as continious page? or pages?21:43
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gulycontinous page21:43
gulypaginE for pages21:43
freemangordonshould be plural21:43
freemangordonaah, ok21:43
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MrPingu"Doorlopende pagina's" = continious pages21:43
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MrPingudoesn't fit "continious scroll" better???21:44
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freemangordonmerlin1991, "Pagine continua"? It is not the same as "continuous view", but ...21:44
gulypagine continue actually21:45
gulyboth should be plural21:45
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freemangordonok :)21:45
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villagermerlin1991: I suppose "Vis sammenhengende" (which means "Show contiguous" or something) would work for me21:45
merlin1991we'll go with it, if someone from italy comes and says "This makes no sense use x instead we'll use x"21:45
gulyi'll be banned? :)21:46
MrPinguI think in dutch this would fit the function: "doorlopende pagina's"21:47
MrPinguAny answer on my first question?21:47
MrPinguAbout the scratched screen; do I only need to replace digitizer?21:49
villagerMrPingu: probably, but the experts aren't here right now, you could wait until they arrive21:49
MrPinguStill I am angry because I have NFC how a kind of hole created itself on my screen21:50
MrPinguwell I  had it already some time, but now another part of the screen got a hole...21:51
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MrPinguNot really a hole, but it looks like the uppermost film is scratched off =(21:51
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MrPingumerlin1991, freemangordon: Noted my dutch translation?21:53
merlin1991thanks for all the translations, got em all now :)21:53
MrPinguI will sit back then, and wait. Or is there something else I can do to please you?21:55
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Pali~seen jonwil22:36
infobotjonwil <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 3h 35m 30s ago, saying: 'not'.22:37
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Paliis there any other tool which can show cell broadcast sms?22:41
Palicbs widget show me only @@@@..., see
Palilast week it worked correctly (same operator, same position), now not working22:42
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PaliDocScrutinizer, do you know something more about this ^^^ ?22:47
Sicelonot on N900, yet. btw, did you try reinstall the libs as shown on the tmo thread?22:47
PaliI will try now22:48
DocScrutinizerPali: ope22:48
Siceloi also got that in the early days (posing on tmo as qhubekela). reinstalling them solved my problem22:49
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PaliSicelo, reinstalling not helped22:58
PaliDocScrutinizer, is there any other tool/script/program?22:58
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Palior only that one widget?22:59
Siceloonly that one22:59
Sicelofor now, at least22:59
Siceloat least you're a devel.. jonwil will probably ask you to run gdb... he asked me at that time, but i was clueless, lol23:01
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DocScrutinizerPali: for SMSCB?23:06
PaliSicelo, I see that widget code only decode dbus message, so first I need to know if problem is in decoding or in maemo system23:08
Siceloi've always known about that file DocScrutinizer.. never tried it :P23:08
PaliDocScrutinizer, thanks23:08
PaliDocScrutinizer, your script show me empty message23:11
Paliand not @@@@@@ as widget23:11
DocScrutinizerhmm, that probably means the msg consists oof nonprinting chars23:12
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* Sicelo gives it a try too..23:12
DocScrutinizerafaik @ == <null> with 7th bit set, or sth23:13
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Sicelobtw, DocScrutinizer, what would i modify in your script to get Channel stuff in Channel 52?23:13
DocScrutinizerat least ctrl-@ should result in 0x0023:13
DocScrutinizercall it with -channel 5223:14
Sicelogreat :)23:14
PaliDocScrutinizer, I get only messages from channels 50 and 47123:15
DocScrutinizermore than I get23:16
DocScrutinizerI get only chan22123:16
DocScrutinizerI think former conventions considered maybe chan1 or chan0 as index channel23:17
DocScrutinizerprobably nobody ever used SMSCB that way23:17
DocScrutinizerand chan50 is "homezone" channel afaik23:18
DocScrutinizerat least in some networks23:18
Siceloyeah, i notice Nokia N-Gage and Nokia 9300i use Ch1 as index chan23:18
DocScrutinizeryou know, there've been tariffs like "call for a quarter of regular fee to the town you're actually in recently"23:19
DocScrutinizerfor that I think they sent name of town or area code in chan5023:19
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DocScrutinizerSIM implemented a special carrier name display that had this info under the network name23:20
DocScrutinizermenu item usually called "display homezone" or sth23:21
PaliI'm geting this dbus message: dbus.Array([], signature=dbus.Signature('y'))23:24
PaliDocScrutinizer, I do not know python, but I added: print 'Message: \'%s\'' % pdumsg"23:24
Paliand it show me that output23:25
DocScrutinizerumm, could you paste a full dbus-monitor for the relevant msg?23:25
Paliin sesstion or system mode?23:25
DocScrutinizerbus = dbus.SystemBus()23:26
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PaliDocScrutinizer, here is:
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DocScrutinizerlooks like unpatched libsms23:30
PaliI uninstalled and installed widget again23:31
DocScrutinizerplease simply "install" libsms.so23:31
Pali$ md5sum /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/
Palifff53e239c8a46c97015a8ef78f9e7ad /usr/lib/
Pali6d9560f64f97dd18ccbd3119229717ae /usr/lib/
DocScrutinizerfirst check your current version via md5sum though23:32
DocScrutinizerheh :-D23:32
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vi__is anyone here using cssu-testing?23:33
SiceloPali: i get same output as yours on both libsms..23:34
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vi__good evening23:34
merlin1991vi__: pretty much everyone in here uses cssu-testing23:34
PaliI do not belive, not it started working23:34
PaliI restarted 3 times csd23:34
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vi__I assumed so! but assumptions make...23:35
vi__me look like a dick23:35
DocScrutinizerPali: ??23:35
DocScrutinizernot it started?23:35
PaliI killed 3 times csd daemon23:35
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vi__has anyone noticed any strange behaviour with respect to lock/unlocking of device?23:35
Paliand after then I got messages23:35
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DocScrutinizerso NOW it started23:36
freemangordonvi__ strange as in?23:36
SiceloPali: it didn't ask for a reboot when installing? iirc it does23:36
vi__that is sometimes it takes 2 presses of the lock to unlock23:36
DocScrutinizerPali: sure you'll need a reboot or at least a restart of all services that use libsms.so23:36
freemangordonvi__, you mean the power button?23:37
vi__as if the screen is dark but not really locked then the first press locks it.23:37
PaliDocScrutinizer, I reinstalled widget in weekend too + rebooted phone23:37
Paliand that day it does not worked23:37
vi__freemangordon: no, slide switch at side23:37
DocScrutinizervi__: I occasionally see that23:37
Paliseems I found problem why widget showing @@@@@@23:38
freemangordonvi__, that sounds like a norml behaviour23:38
DocScrutinizerindeed, never thought it's related to cssu23:38
Palithere is missing one memset(pdu, 0, sizeof(pdu));23:38
vi__odd, it only started happening recently.  cssu being the only thing I had updated suggested I should ask.23:38
freemangordonif the deivce isn't locked you should be able to tap the screen even if blank23:39
vi__elusive bug, I WILL SMASH U23:39
DocScrutinizerthat it never hit my mind doesn't mean it's actually unrelated23:39
vi__freemangordon: that depends if you have autolock on/off23:39
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DocScrutinizerand I think there are independent timers for lock and dim23:40
DocScrutinizerand another one for predim23:40
vi__i have a widget for toggling it.  which was adding another layer of unknown on the problem.23:40
vi__DocScrutinizer: yes23:40
freemangordonvi__, what is the expected behaviour?23:41
SiceloPali: sounds good :)23:41
Palior maybe not :-(23:41
DocScrutinizeranyway, good luck to all of you, keep on hacking, while I'm out for a beer23:41
javispedroDocScrutinizer: want some news that will surely ruin your day before that beer? :)23:42
merlin1991javispedro: enlighten us :D23:42
javispedro (not for the faint of heart!)23:42
DocScrutinizerwakelocks in main?23:42
NIN101systemd and udev merge?23:42
javispedroNIN101: bingo!23:42
ShadowJKi thought wakelocks already went in23:43
vi__freemangordon: i expect:press unlock button.  Phone unlocks.23:43
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: :nod:23:43
vi__i get:press unlock. nothing. press unlock again, phone unlocks.23:43
DocScrutinizervi__: if it's locked, only23:43
DocScrutinizerif it's unlocked, lockslider will lock23:44
NIN101"Distributions not wishing to adopt systemd can build udev pretty much23:44
NIN101the same way as before, however should then use the systemd tarball23:44
NIN101instead of the udev tarball and package only what is necessary of the23:44
NIN101resulting build."23:44
DocScrutinizerI guess I have to fork my own main23:44
javispedrountil he gets tired of it and puts systemd on initrd too23:45
DocScrutinizerI'll call it scrotux23:45
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javispedroin a few months dbus-daemon will be a systemd plugin23:45
NIN101"The udev built from the systemd source tree will stay compatible with non-systemd init systems for a long time."  "for a long time..." => one day the day will come...23:46
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javispedrocause, dbus-daemon does autoactivation of services! it clearly shares a lot of code with systemd.23:46
DocScrutinizerin a few months somebody will kill poettering23:46
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javispedroI ponder what kind of IPC will I run in a few months, will it be now-in-the-kernel Android Binder? Some systemd plugin? Place your bets!23:47
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NIN101after all, we don't have to go on the red hat road, one can live perfectly without pulseaudio, avahi, systemd and even udev actually.23:49
javispedronot true :(23:49
javispedroon gnome2 it was only a few parts depending on PA23:49
javispedrobut half of gnome3 depends on systemd, the other half on PA, and all of it on udev23:49
NIN101then don't use gnome3 if you don't like that :P23:50
javispedroso I will be kept on gnome2 forever, then end up hating all DEs and ranting all day :(23:51
MrPinguAny hardware experst here? Regarding screen/digitizer/23:52
javispedrosince they dropped HAL, even getting rid of udev is probably hard23:52
javispedrothe fun thing is that udev's role has been reduced to basically HAL's...23:52
merlin1991lets all use mdev23:52
merlin1991though why not simply use emacs?23:52
javispedrodevtmpfs, which is on the kernel, works very well23:53
merlin1991I'm sure it has systemd somewhere in its codebase :D23:53
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javispedrodevfs -> udev -> hal -> udev -> udev (~= hal) -> devtmpfs (~= devfs)23:53
PaliIn this repo is my two changes (do not show @@@@ and fix updating operator name) for cbs widget:
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Palican somebody compile it?23:54
PaliNow I do not have scratchbox for compiling23:54
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merlin1991javispedro: cronological evolution?23:55
merlin1991or what does that graph contain?23:55
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javispedromerlin1991: cronological23:55
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javispedroit's not accurate though (hal and udev's roles are not the same by any margin)23:56
javispedrobut I find it funny that we end up at the same place as in the early 2000s.23:56
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