| whatever4ever | why use 2g/3g switcher? when do you go to 2g? | 00:02 |
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| whatever4ever | NIN101: but when I reboot, it comes up with significantly less battery showing than before I rebooted | 00:03 |
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| whatever4ever | what do you guys think about using all IM, skype, etc over bitlbee/irc on the n900? | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | reboot screws up battery meter | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | use 2g whenever you're not surfing the web | 00:07 |
| whatever4ever | oh, so it auto-powers off sooner? | 00:07 |
| whatever4ever | won't 2G make the connectivity worse and cause more reconnections? | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | Um, depends on your operator | 00:08 |
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| ShadowJK | for me 3g is less reliable | 00:08 |
| whatever4ever | tmo in cali | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | 3g is an enormous battery drain for all sorts of IM | 00:08 |
| whatever4ever | why is it worse using IM than nothing? IM is low traffic... | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | Because it's frequent traffic | 00:09 |
| whatever4ever | Also, using bitlbee for skype and all other IM - what do you think? | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not familiar with bitlbee | 00:09 |
| whatever4ever | puts everything over IRC | 00:09 |
| whatever4ever | Having contacts everywhere is getting crazy: pidgin, contacts, etc | 00:09 |
| whatever4ever | everytime I IM on my desktop using skype my phone vibrates | 00:09 |
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| whatever4ever | Hey guys, when you get a long IM history (sms) - I've years of messages - I'd like to keep these, but also speed up various conversations opening... | 00:40 |
| whatever4ever | I like the way skype does it where it doesn't have all the history in the same window. | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're aware that a huge SMS database most likely is one of the top culprits for device acting sluggish? And not only on opening conversations app, but also on any event that gets recorded to the database | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and slowdown impact is global, not limited to the apps that use the database | 00:54 |
| lolcat | Can't you export it to another program? | 00:56 |
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| ShadowJK | Well also the conversations is rendered by the browser.. | 00:59 |
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| villager | whatever4ever: I'm certainly another who often switches to 2G. as 2G is generally both more reliable (better signal, longer range, fewer dropouts), and uses less battery... the *only* advantage of 3G is speed, and I don't need that very often | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | I used to get 256kbit/s on 2g, but it has dropped around here lately, so I now switch to 3g if I'm doing heavier web surfing, before I didn't do that | 01:04 |
| villager | yeah, the 2G/3G switcher is a must-have | 01:05 |
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| lolcat | I love having 10mbps on the phone | 01:06 |
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| freemangordon | ping X-Fade | 11:54 |
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| godtrunks | hi | 11:58 |
| godtrunks | i have a nokia n800 OS2008 | 11:58 |
| godtrunks | and when i try to install something | 11:59 |
| godtrunks | it says that i have lib files missing. What can i do? | 11:59 |
| godtrunks | some help here guys? | 12:00 |
| Khertan | hi godtrunks | 12:02 |
| Khertan | what said apt-get install -f ? | 12:02 |
| godtrunks | i try with apt-get upgrade -f | 12:03 |
| godtrunks | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 184 not upgraded | 12:04 |
| godtrunks | with apt-get install -f | 12:05 |
| godtrunks | any ideea? | 12:05 |
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| MrPingu | 184 not upgraded :o Might be an good idea to update... | 12:07 |
| godtrunks | how? | 12:11 |
| godtrunks | i try with apt-get update | 12:11 |
| godtrunks | nothing | 12:11 |
| godtrunks | apt-get upgrade | 12:11 |
| godtrunks | nothing | 12:11 |
| godtrunks | i try with "-f "and without | 12:11 |
| godtrunks | nothing | 12:12 |
| godtrunks | same problems when i try ti install.i have all repositories | 12:12 |
| godtrunks | same problem | 12:12 |
| MrPingu | What do you mean exactly with "nothing" ? | 12:13 |
| godtrunks | is not updated or upgraded | 12:13 |
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| godtrunks | i have lib files missing libdbus-1-3, libdbus-glib-1-2 libgcc1 libglib2.0-0 and the list continues | 12:14 |
| godtrunks | i have lib files missing libdbus-1-3, libdbus-glib-1-2 libgcc1 libglib2.0-0 and the list continue | 12:14 |
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| godtrunks | i tryed to flash the device and same problem | 12:16 |
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| godtrunks | some hlp? | 12:20 |
| Khertan | what is your list of repository ? | 12:20 |
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| godtrunks | all of them | 12:34 |
| godtrunks | i think | 12:34 |
| godtrunks | can i give a link from where i've got my repository? | 12:35 |
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| ShadowJK | libdbus-1-3 is installed by default? | 12:43 |
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| godtrunks | yes | 12:45 |
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| ShadowJK | so it should be there when flashed, and also in nokia's repo | 12:52 |
| ShadowJK | looks like it would be quite impossible to remove too | 12:52 |
| godtrunks | and what can i do? | 13:01 |
| ShadowJK | oh wait, you have N800 | 13:02 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't scroll far up enough | 13:02 |
| godtrunks | yes | 13:02 |
| ShadowJK | although my N800 also has libdbus-1-3, ver 1.0.2-0osso14 | 13:04 |
| godtrunks | any ideea? | 13:04 |
| godtrunks | what can i do? | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK | "all of them" sounds like a bad choice of repositoried for any device | 13:05 |
| godtrunks | they ar for OS2008 | 13:05 |
| godtrunks | they are for OS2008 | 13:05 |
| godtrunks | and if i install OS2007 or OS2006 all applications are working | 13:06 |
| godtrunks | but on OS2008 i have those lib files missing | 13:06 |
| godtrunks | any ideea? | 13:09 |
| ShadowJK | example of an app that wont install? | 13:09 |
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| godtrunks | pidgin | 13:11 |
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| ShadowJK | can you pastebin output of: apt-cache show pidgin | grep Filename | 13:12 |
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| godtrunks | w8 | 13:13 |
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| godtrunks | i have to reboot my device | 13:14 |
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| godtrunks | and the device is not starting any more | 13:15 |
| godtrunks | is rebooting | 13:15 |
| godtrunks | :| | 13:15 |
| ShadowJK | i tried simulate with apt-get on my N800 (which has diablo extras repo enabled) and N810 (diablo extras devel), and that seemed fine | 13:16 |
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| godtrunks | it won't star | 13:16 |
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| godtrunks | my n800 is not starting any more | 13:16 |
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| ShadowJK | remove battery, put it back in | 13:21 |
| ShadowJK | although if you did anything where apt-get asked if you are sure, and you had to type yes, it probably blew away the os | 13:22 |
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| godtrunks | i use apt-get install --reinstall and some applications | 13:24 |
| godtrunks | i flash-it now is ok | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | Well I have to leave for work, I'll check irc later if I have time | 13:28 |
| godtrunks | ok | 13:28 |
| godtrunks | now is working | 13:28 |
| godtrunks | i think i had few bad repository | 13:28 |
| godtrunks | i think i had a repository from my n900 | 13:29 |
| godtrunks | now my n800 is working fine and i had install pidgin with no errors | 13:29 |
| ShadowJK | anything with "fremantle" in the name is N900 | 13:33 |
| godtrunks | hm.. | 13:33 |
| godtrunks | i'm sure that i had one repository from n900 because i saw sib | 13:34 |
| godtrunks | a video player | 13:34 |
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| totalizator | self therapy - I've just dropped my n900 and it fallen apart :O (just the battery and cover); fortunately it works well again | 13:38 |
| godtrunks | i have sent my n900 to warranty | 13:43 |
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| ShadowJK | MPlayer from N900 repository would crash on N800 even if it installed | 16:16 |
| ShadowJK | due to MPlayer on N900 making use of the Neon extensions in the Cortex A8 cpu | 16:17 |
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| Sicelo | ~flashing | 16:42 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:42 |
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| jhb | I get the beloved "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device". Tried paper, bent the 6 sim connectors. Doesn't make any difference. Any suggestions? | 17:31 |
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| jhb | and if there is no (obvious) solution: I still have warranty. Assumiing that nokia won't give me another n900, how can I make sure that I get a n9 as a replacement (or even better: n950 )? | 17:47 |
| StyXman | no n950 for you | 17:48 |
| StyXman | or for anyone | 17:48 |
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| jhb | StyXman: yes, was just dreaming for a second | 18:01 |
| jhb | :-) | 18:02 |
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| merlin1991 | anybody from italy/czech/denmark/norway here who could translate a string for cssu to their own language? | 21:29 |
| * guly is from italy | 21:30 | |
| merlin1991 | the string in question is "Continous view" and is the caption to an option in the pdf-viewer that enables "normal" scrolling (the stock viewer only let's you scroll within one page and has buttons for pageswitch) | 21:30 |
| merlin1991 | guly: ^^ | 21:33 |
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| MrPingu | Hi | 21:38 |
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| guly | osx translated it as "Pagina singola continua" | 21:39 |
| freemangordon | too long :( | 21:39 |
| guly | maybe just pagina continua ? | 21:39 |
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| freemangordon | NFC, I am bulgarian :D | 21:39 |
| freemangordon | actually sounds good | 21:39 |
| merlin1991 | guly: nfc aswell, you have to know :) | 21:39 |
| MrPingu | My screen is scratched, don't ask me how. I was always very gentle with my leather case | 21:39 |
| villager | I'm from Norway, but probably could not translate that... evince translates "Continuous" as "Sammenhengende", but I'm not sure what to use for "view" | 21:40 |
| MrPingu | and somehow the uppermost film, is, well, sort of burned away. Don't know how to describe it but anyway, what I wanted to ask: Do I only need to replace the digitizer? | 21:41 |
| MrPingu | Guys, already got dutch translation? | 21:41 |
| merlin1991 | villager: if you find a better caption that does not translate directly to continuous view it's fine aswell | 21:41 |
| guly | isn't "pagina continua" short enough? | 21:41 |
| merlin1991 | pagina continua is short enough | 21:41 |
| merlin1991 | it just has to fit funciton | 21:41 |
| guly | singola means single, it's useless IMO | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | MrPingu, AFAIK no | 21:42 |
| villager | merlin1991: what is the caption for the "not continuous" view? or is it a checkbox? | 21:42 |
| merlin1991 | checkbox | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | guly, "pagina continua" should be translated as continious page? or pages? | 21:43 |
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| guly | continous page | 21:43 |
| guly | paginE for pages | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | should be plural | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 21:43 |
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| MrPingu | "Doorlopende pagina's" = continious pages | 21:43 |
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| MrPingu | doesn't fit "continious scroll" better??? | 21:44 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991, "Pagine continua"? It is not the same as "continuous view", but ... | 21:44 |
| guly | pagine continue actually | 21:45 |
| guly | both should be plural | 21:45 |
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| freemangordon | ok :) | 21:45 |
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| villager | merlin1991: I suppose "Vis sammenhengende" (which means "Show contiguous" or something) would work for me | 21:45 |
| merlin1991 | we'll go with it, if someone from italy comes and says "This makes no sense use x instead we'll use x" | 21:45 |
| guly | i'll be banned? :) | 21:46 |
| MrPingu | I think in dutch this would fit the function: "doorlopende pagina's" | 21:47 |
| MrPingu | Any answer on my first question? | 21:47 |
| MrPingu | About the scratched screen; do I only need to replace digitizer? | 21:49 |
| villager | MrPingu: probably, but the experts aren't here right now, you could wait until they arrive | 21:49 |
| MrPingu | Still I am angry because I have NFC how a kind of hole created itself on my screen | 21:50 |
| MrPingu | well I had it already some time, but now another part of the screen got a hole... | 21:51 |
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| MrPingu | Not really a hole, but it looks like the uppermost film is scratched off =( | 21:51 |
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| MrPingu | merlin1991, freemangordon: Noted my dutch translation? | 21:53 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 21:53 |
| merlin1991 | thanks for all the translations, got em all now :) | 21:53 |
| MrPingu | I will sit back then, and wait. Or is there something else I can do to please you? | 21:55 |
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| Pali | ~seen jonwil | 22:36 |
| infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 3h 35m 30s ago, saying: 'not'. | 22:37 |
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| Pali | is there any other tool which can show cell broadcast sms? | 22:41 |
| Pali | cbs widget show me only @@@@..., see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1187687#post1187687 | 22:42 |
| Pali | last week it worked correctly (same operator, same position), now not working | 22:42 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, do you know something more about this ^^^ ? | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | not on N900, yet. btw, did you try reinstall the libs as shown on the tmo thread? | 22:47 |
| Pali | I will try now | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: ope | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 22:48 |
| Sicelo | i also got that in the early days (posing on tmo as qhubekela). reinstalling them solved my problem | 22:49 |
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| Pali | Sicelo, reinstalling not helped | 22:58 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, is there any other tool/script/program? | 22:58 |
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| Pali | or only that one widget? | 22:59 |
| Sicelo | only that one | 22:59 |
| Sicelo | for now, at least | 22:59 |
| Sicelo | at least you're a devel.. jonwil will probably ask you to run gdb... he asked me at that time, but i was clueless, lol | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: for SMSCB? | 23:06 |
| Pali | yes | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/smscb.py | 23:07 |
| Pali | Sicelo, I see that widget code only decode dbus message, so first I need to know if problem is in decoding or in maemo system | 23:08 |
| Sicelo | i've always known about that file DocScrutinizer.. never tried it :P | 23:08 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | YW | 23:09 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, your script show me empty message | 23:11 |
| Pali | and not @@@@@@ as widget | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, that probably means the msg consists oof nonprinting chars | 23:12 |
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| * Sicelo gives it a try too.. | 23:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik @ == <null> with 7th bit set, or sth | 23:13 |
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| Sicelo | btw, DocScrutinizer, what would i modify in your script to get Channel stuff in Channel 52? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least ctrl-@ should result in 0x00 | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | call it with -channel 52 | 23:14 |
| Sicelo | great :) | 23:14 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, I get only messages from channels 50 and 471 | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | more than I get | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I get only chan221 | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think former conventions considered maybe chan1 or chan0 as index channel | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably nobody ever used SMSCB that way | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and chan50 is "homezone" channel afaik | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least in some networks | 23:18 |
| Sicelo | yeah, i notice Nokia N-Gage and Nokia 9300i use Ch1 as index chan | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know, there've been tariffs like "call for a quarter of regular fee to the town you're actually in recently" | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | for that I think they sent name of town or area code in chan50 | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SIM implemented a special carrier name display that had this info under the network name | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | menu item usually called "display homezone" or sth | 23:21 |
| Pali | I'm geting this dbus message: dbus.Array([], signature=dbus.Signature('y')) | 23:24 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, I do not know python, but I added: print 'Message: \'%s\'' % pdumsg" | 23:24 |
| Pali | and it show me that output | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, could you paste a full dbus-monitor for the relevant msg? | 23:25 |
| Pali | in sesstion or system mode? | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | bus = dbus.SystemBus() | 23:26 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, here is: http://pastebin.com/Di58VvgY | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | looks like unpatched libsms | 23:30 |
| Pali | I uninstalled and installed widget again | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | please simply "install" libsms.so | 23:31 |
| Pali | $ md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0.distrib | 23:32 |
| Pali | fff53e239c8a46c97015a8ef78f9e7ad /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 | 23:32 |
| Pali | 6d9560f64f97dd18ccbd3119229717ae /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0.distrib | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | first check your current version via md5sum though | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh :-D | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jonwil | 23:33 |
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| vi__ | is anyone here using cssu-testing? | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | o| | 23:34 |
| Sicelo | Pali: i get same output as yours on both libsms.. | 23:34 |
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| vi__ | good evening | 23:34 |
| merlin1991 | vi__: pretty much everyone in here uses cssu-testing | 23:34 |
| Pali | I do not belive, not it started working | 23:34 |
| Sicelo | :P | 23:34 |
| Pali | I restarted 3 times csd | 23:34 |
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| vi__ | I assumed so! but assumptions make... | 23:35 |
| vi__ | me look like a dick | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: ?? | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | not it started? | 23:35 |
| Pali | I killed 3 times csd daemon | 23:35 |
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| vi__ | has anyone noticed any strange behaviour with respect to lock/unlocking of device? | 23:35 |
| Pali | and after then I got messages | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so NOW it started | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | vi__ strange as in? | 23:36 |
| Sicelo | Pali: it didn't ask for a reboot when installing? iirc it does | 23:36 |
| vi__ | that is sometimes it takes 2 presses of the lock to unlock | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: sure you'll need a reboot or at least a restart of all services that use libsms.so | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | vi__, you mean the power button? | 23:37 |
| vi__ | as if the screen is dark but not really locked then the first press locks it. | 23:37 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, I reinstalled widget in weekend too + rebooted phone | 23:37 |
| Pali | and that day it does not worked | 23:37 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: no, slide switch at side | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: I occasionally see that | 23:37 |
| vi__ | mmm | 23:37 |
| Pali | seems I found problem why widget showing @@@@@@ | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | vi__, that sounds like a norml behaviour | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, never thought it's related to cssu | 23:38 |
| Pali | there is missing one memset(pdu, 0, sizeof(pdu)); | 23:38 |
| vi__ | odd, it only started happening recently. cssu being the only thing I had updated suggested I should ask. | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | if the deivce isn't locked you should be able to tap the screen even if blank | 23:39 |
| vi__ | elusive bug, I WILL SMASH U | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | that it never hit my mind doesn't mean it's actually unrelated | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | sure | 23:39 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: that depends if you have autolock on/off | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I think there are independent timers for lock and dim | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and another one for predim | 23:40 |
| vi__ | i have a widget for toggling it. which was adding another layer of unknown on the problem. | 23:40 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: yes | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | vi__, what is the expected behaviour? | 23:41 |
| Sicelo | Pali: sounds good :) | 23:41 |
| Pali | or maybe not :-( | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, good luck to all of you, keep on hacking, while I'm out for a beer | 23:41 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: want some news that will surely ruin your day before that beer? :) | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 23:42 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: enlighten us :D | 23:42 |
| javispedro | http://lwn.net/Articles/490413/ (not for the faint of heart!) | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | wakelocks in main? | 23:42 |
| NIN101 | systemd and udev merge? | 23:42 |
| javispedro | NIN101: bingo! | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | WAAAH | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | i thought wakelocks already went in | 23:43 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: i expect:press unlock button. Phone unlocks. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: :nod: | 23:43 |
| vi__ | i get:press unlock. nothing. press unlock again, phone unlocks. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: if it's locked, only | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's unlocked, lockslider will lock | 23:44 |
| NIN101 | "Distributions not wishing to adopt systemd can build udev pretty much | 23:44 |
| NIN101 | the same way as before, however should then use the systemd tarball | 23:44 |
| NIN101 | instead of the udev tarball and package only what is necessary of the | 23:44 |
| NIN101 | resulting build." | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess I have to fork my own main | 23:44 |
| javispedro | until he gets tired of it and puts systemd on initrd too | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll call it scrotux | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 23:45 |
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| javispedro | in a few months dbus-daemon will be a systemd plugin | 23:45 |
| NIN101 | "The udev built from the systemd source tree will stay compatible with non-systemd init systems for a long time." "for a long time..." => one day the day will come... | 23:46 |
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| javispedro | cause, dbus-daemon does autoactivation of services! it clearly shares a lot of code with systemd. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | in a few months somebody will kill poettering | 23:46 |
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| javispedro | I ponder what kind of IPC will I run in a few months, will it be now-in-the-kernel Android Binder? Some systemd plugin? Place your bets! | 23:47 |
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| NIN101 | after all, we don't have to go on the red hat road, one can live perfectly without pulseaudio, avahi, systemd and even udev actually. | 23:49 |
| javispedro | not true :( | 23:49 |
| javispedro | on gnome2 it was only a few parts depending on PA | 23:49 |
| javispedro | but half of gnome3 depends on systemd, the other half on PA, and all of it on udev | 23:49 |
| NIN101 | then don't use gnome3 if you don't like that :P | 23:50 |
| javispedro | so I will be kept on gnome2 forever, then end up hating all DEs and ranting all day :( | 23:51 |
| MrPingu | Any hardware experst here? Regarding screen/digitizer/ | 23:52 |
| javispedro | since they dropped HAL, even getting rid of udev is probably hard | 23:52 |
| javispedro | the fun thing is that udev's role has been reduced to basically HAL's... | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | lets all use mdev | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | though why not simply use emacs? | 23:52 |
| javispedro | devtmpfs, which is on the kernel, works very well | 23:53 |
| merlin1991 | I'm sure it has systemd somewhere in its codebase :D | 23:53 |
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| javispedro | devfs -> udev -> hal -> udev -> udev (~= hal) -> devtmpfs (~= devfs) | 23:53 |
| Pali | In this repo is my two changes (do not show @@@@ and fix updating operator name) for cbs widget: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-operator-name-cbs-widget | 23:54 |
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| Pali | can somebody compile it? | 23:54 |
| Pali | Now I do not have scratchbox for compiling | 23:54 |
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| merlin1991 | javispedro: cronological evolution? | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | or what does that graph contain? | 23:55 |
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| javispedro | merlin1991: cronological | 23:55 |
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| javispedro | it's not accurate though (hal and udev's roles are not the same by any margin) | 23:56 |
| javispedro | but I find it funny that we end up at the same place as in the early 2000s. | 23:56 |
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