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| Pali | merlin1991, let me know when you create/re tvout l10n | 00:04 |
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| javispedro | Pali: I can build it, FREMANTLE_ARMEL target? | 00:07 |
| Pali | yes | 00:07 |
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| Pali | but you also need some dependences from cssu | 00:08 |
| javispedro | ah :( | 00:08 |
| Pali | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libconnui-dev | 00:08 |
| Pali | this package should be enought I think | 00:09 |
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| javispedro | uh, shlibdeps is broken | 00:11 |
| javispedro | why does libconnui-dev ship _actual library binaries_? | 00:12 |
| javispedro | in any case, this means someone needs to uncomment the dh_makeshlibs call in rules | 00:13 |
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| javispedro | Pali: http://depot.javispedro.com/temp/ | 00:15 |
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| Pali | thanks! | 00:16 |
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| merlin1991 | javispedro: because the library binaires are only avaiable on device | 00:18 |
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| merlin1991 | but not in a package for the scratchbox | 00:19 |
| merlin1991 | so linking with headers only is afaik not that easy :D | 00:19 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: but does the license allow this? | 00:19 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: if so, I'm all for it.. but please remember to uncomment dh_makeshlibs | 00:19 |
| merlin1991 | jonwil did the package with the famous exception for nokia binaries on tmo in mind | 00:20 |
| javispedro | ah | 00:20 |
| merlin1991 | strictly speaking the license does not allow this | 00:20 |
| javispedro | will ping him next time then | 00:20 |
| javispedro | (without makeshlibs the package might be unusable on e.g. autobuilder) | 00:20 |
| javispedro | unless there's a on-device package that does that and I can't see it on sbox :P | 00:21 |
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| Pali | javispedro, thanks very much! my patches working | 00:39 |
| Pali | merlin1991, can I megre my changes to cssu git? | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | is it the string compare for 5 @? | 00:40 |
| Pali | yes | 00:40 |
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| Pali | see both changes: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-operator-name-cbs-widget/commits/master | 00:41 |
| merlin1991 | and you think it really is bogus information from the network and nothing wrong elsewhere? | 00:41 |
| Pali | merlin1991, I do not know where is problem, but dbus-monitor showed me empty array | 00:41 |
| Pali | I think that there is some memory bug | 00:42 |
| Pali | or sms-*.c code changing it to @@@.... | 00:42 |
| Pali | at least everybody who had problems, got only a lot of @@@@@@.... | 00:42 |
| merlin1991 | so basicly the widget should ignore those? | 00:43 |
| Pali | I think yes | 00:43 |
| merlin1991 | merge away :) | 00:43 |
| Pali | Ok, I will push changes to cssu repo | 00:44 |
| Pali | done | 00:45 |
| Pali | there is one problem with this package: when I use dpkg -P widget... it remove both patched and unpatched libsms.so* libraries | 00:46 |
| Pali | so this must be fixed before pushing package to cssu!!! | 00:46 |
| Pali | removing libsms library can be fixed by reinstalling libsms0 package from nokia repo | 00:47 |
| merlin1991 | hm that indeed is bad | 00:48 |
| Pali | I will fix it in next days | 00:48 |
| Pali | now I'm going offline, bye | 00:48 |
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| Vib3 | hi | 01:11 |
| javispedro | yw Pali | 01:12 |
| Vib3 | installed just dropbear ssh client but cant find "ssh" | 01:12 |
| javispedro | Vib3: you can use dpkg -L <packagename> to find the list of files a package installed | 01:12 |
| javispedro | maybe you can find some other binary in /usr/bin | 01:12 |
| Vib3 | k | 01:14 |
| Vib3 | but theres not "ssh" or dropbeard bin, hmmm | 01:15 |
| javispedro | btw, I suggest you skip dropbear and use openssh directly | 01:15 |
| javispedro | you can reduce ssh memory usage (like disabling privilege separation) if that's what concerns you | 01:15 |
| javispedro | with bare dropbear, you won't even have sftp-server | 01:16 |
| Vib3 | k, just tried to try dropbear :p | 01:16 |
| Vib3 | openssh is good | 01:16 |
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| javispedro | dropbear is mostly for platforms that are way more "embedded" than ours ;) | 01:17 |
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| Vib3 | needed to flash so reinstalling software here.. | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: indeed | 01:17 |
| Vib3 | hmm but can't find openssh in repos | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# apt-cache search openssh | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | libssl0.9.8 - SSL shared libraries | 01:19 |
| Vib3 | added extras, e-devel and e-testing but not found | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | openssh-server - Secure shell server, an rshd replacement | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | openssh-common - Common files fro ssh server and client | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | openssh-client - Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | openssh - Secure shell client and server | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# apt-cache policy openssh | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | openssh: | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Installed: 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 | 01:20 |
| Vib3 | yea | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | *** 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 0 | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages | 01:20 |
| Vib3 | DocScrutinizer: thx :D | 01:21 |
| Vib3 | app manager didn't show it cos I typed "ssh", it just showed dropbear SSH things | 01:21 |
| Vib3 | lolled | 01:21 |
| Vib3 | but found it now using "openssh" | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "*" helps a lot | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache search '.*ssh.*' | 01:24 |
| Vib3 | I thought it would search that string inside strings by default :p | 01:24 |
| Vib3 | k | 01:24 |
| Vib3 | cos I do things always like that :p | 01:25 |
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| Vib3 | now to sleeep | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | samesame | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 01:25 |
| Vib3 | thx & bye! -> | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | heh that typing "ssh" and then not finding openssh thing happened to me last week :) | 01:27 |
| FIQ | seriously, HAM is completly useless | 01:29 |
| FIQ | "oh, you clicked a button? please let me update the package list! you know, this MUST be done everytime you do sometning" | 01:29 |
| FIQ | and the fact that I've devel activated atm didn't really make the situation better | 01:30 |
| FIQ | great, now it stopped working completly | 01:31 |
| FIQ | where is the mirrorlist.d or whatever it's named in apt/n900? | 01:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: indeed, though there's some code that's supposed to help with that particular problem. Usually it should update only after 2h or sth, not faster | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the code stinks, and obviously because it's rotten | 01:42 |
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| FIQ | is there a solution for this? I prefer the CLI, but the GUI has a more nice way to scroll a list of applications | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd hope CSSU HAM eventually will fix this particular flaw | 01:43 |
| FIQ | like now when I tried to find "faster application manager", searching for faster yielded... nothing | 01:43 |
| FIQ | pr at least not what I wanted | 01:44 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer: okay | 01:44 |
| FIQ | btw, why does it randomly empties the repository list and refuse to work? | 01:44 |
| villager | FIQ: have you tried the "Faster Application Manager" (fapman)? | 01:44 |
| FIQ | (like now) | 01:44 |
| FIQ | i have | 01:45 |
| FIQ | 00:43:51 < FIQ> like now when I tried to find "faster application manager", searching for faster yielded... nothing | 01:45 |
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| FIQ | wiped as I flashed some months ago | 01:45 |
| FIQ | thanks for the name | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you however should document it by stat'ing the "or whatever it's called list" several times during using HAM, then open a ticket against CSSU HAM | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | fapman has known flaws as well | 01:46 |
| FIQ | hm, not found | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp some nasty ones when it comes to not so standard packages | 01:46 |
| FIQ | maybe I didn't have devel on really? | 01:46 |
| villager | I don't like fapman much, but it's worth using in some cases | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, before I use fapman, I prefer apt-get | 01:47 |
| FIQ | if so, how to enable it from commandline? i.e. where's the repo list? | 01:47 |
| villager | you shouldn't need devel to find fapman, it's in standard extras | 01:47 |
| FIQ | i know there's 2 of them, and 1 that isn't really used, but I forgot the location of both of them | 01:48 |
| FIQ | hm | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | enabling repos is sth you definitely should do in HAM | 01:48 |
| FIQ | ok' I'll do an apt-get update | 01:48 |
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| FIQ | DocScrutinizer: and if it forgets all the repos that it does sometimes? | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | never did for me | 01:48 |
| FIQ | "Operation failed, try again" *hide all repos* | 01:48 |
| FIQ | on update | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it does, this results from you using other methods for app managing | 01:49 |
| FIQ | ok | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | operation failed means there are connectivity issues | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually | 01:49 |
| villager | FIQ: if HAM is still doing stuff like updates in the background, you probably can't use apt-get until it's done | 01:49 |
| villager | but then it'd say "locked" I suppose | 01:50 |
| FIQ | villager: I'm aware of that | 01:50 |
| FIQ | yeah | 01:50 |
| FIQ | operation failed was from HAM btw, not apt | 01:50 |
| FIQ | apt hasn't given any errors at all really except "normal" things like if a package isn't found (typos), HAM has given me weird errors more than once | 01:51 |
| FIQ | that doesn't really tell much about more exactly what failed | 01:52 |
| merlin1991 | FIQ: yeah I had that operation failed, and the issue with gone repos quite a lot | 01:53 |
| merlin1991 | but it usually fixes itself if you leave the n900 alone for a bit, fire up ham again | 01:53 |
| merlin1991 | click the update button and wait :D | 01:53 |
| FIQ | hm | 01:53 |
| FIQ | W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got ) | 01:53 |
| FIQ | Why do I get that? | 01:53 |
| FIQ | "You might want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" yeah, right (I just did that) | 01:55 |
| * javispedro just replaced a GIGANTIC excel "array" formula (I did not even know they existed) with a simple max(two cells) formula | 01:55 | |
| javispedro | and turns out, libreoffice supports those too ... http://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Array_Functions | 01:56 |
| FIQ | hm, I still can't find fapma | 01:56 |
| FIQ | and I'm certain that I've not modified my repositories other than adding a devel part of it | 01:56 |
| javispedro | ... If you enter the array formula directly into the cell, you must use the key combination Shift+Ctrl+Enter instead of the Enter key ... voodoo. I wonder how would I do this on N9/00 =) | 01:56 |
| javispedro | need to add generic support for vkb for Xephyr/qole's easy debian, but dunno how | 01:58 |
| FIQ | should work with a n900..? | 01:58 |
| villager | FIQ: what's in your repo lists then? (/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list I suppose) should have deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free | 01:58 |
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| FIQ | http://pastebin.com/aJ66G85D | 02:01 |
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| FIQ | why do I seem to have 2 iterations of devel? | 02:04 |
| villager | the first one seems to be for old versions of fremantle | 02:05 |
| FIQ | ok | 02:06 |
| FIQ | should I remove it? | 02:06 |
| villager | you could try removing both to see if the error goes away... besides, if I'm looking for something not in regular extras, I'd often rather look in extras-testing before I go all the wa to extras-devel | 02:07 |
| villager | s/wa /way/ | 02:07 |
| infobot | villager meant: you could try removing both to see if the error goes away... besides, if I'm looking for something not in regular extras, I'd often rather look in extras-testing before I go all the way to extras-devel | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | FIQ: the conflicting distribution is due to the way extras-devel has the repo layout | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | you can either adjust your entry for -devel or just ignore it | 02:08 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hi, I'm using vim on maemo, can vim window be resized to not maximize the screen? | 05:41 |
| LaoLang_cool | so I can take notes when surfing web conveniently | 05:42 |
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| MrPingu | hello, anyone around with knowledge about screens/digitizers? | 08:46 |
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| Hurrian | MrPingu, ping | 09:54 |
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| MrPingu | Hurrian, pong | 10:05 |
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| MrPingu | Anyway, my screen is sort of scratched. It looks like the uppermost layer has come off at some places. Something I don't understand while I never hit my screen with something hard and sharp. | 10:10 |
| MrPingu | I only need to replace the digitizer, if I am right? | 10:11 |
| Sicelo | MrPingu: you missed people like DocScrutinizer yesterday. your issue does sound like a digitizer problem to me. i'm sure digitizer will really need replacing, whatever else may be the problem | 10:15 |
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| Sicelo | you'll do replacement on your own, or you will get someone to do it for you? | 10:18 |
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| MrPingu | Well I don't know yet, everything is still working fine but you really feel some relief when you wipe your finger over the screen | 10:19 |
| MrPingu | I will get a new phone this summerp but I don't want to abandon my N900 ;) | 10:20 |
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| MrPingu | So if it's rather cheap to replace(don't even know where to get one) the digitizer, I will do that. Probably on my own | 10:21 |
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| Hurrian | yup, digitizer | 10:28 |
| Hurrian | it's easy to replace, but you need to disassemble entire screen | 10:28 |
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| MrPingu | Thank you | 10:29 |
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| MrPingu | I don't want to spend much money on this phone as I know, it will become a toy in the summer and I am just a poor student | 10:30 |
| MrPingu | Can I get some digitizer from ebay, or do you really discourage that? | 10:31 |
| MrPingu | I mean, some places sell digitizers for about 80 EUR, some for 45 EUR and some for about 20. | 10:31 |
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| Coke | Hi. I'm looking at the buy & sell forums on maemo.org and it looks like N900 is a pretty attractive piece of hardware. I was looking to buy a new one since the old one's screen is slowly, but steadily, becoming less responsive. (maybe I polish it too much?) | 10:41 |
| Coke | Is there any other phone or hardware that is comparable to the N900 in feature set, in particular the Linux feel and open repository? | 10:41 |
| Coke | I basically only use the e-mail, IM and terminal. | 10:42 |
| Coke | (oh and sometimes code a wee bit of python and perl) | 10:42 |
| MrPingu | I don't think so | 10:42 |
| Coke | Checked out a "top ten best keyboarded phones", but they were all running Android. | 10:42 |
| MrPingu | Yeah, maemo is the only "real" linux | 10:43 |
| Coke | N900 wasnt even on that list even though everyone knows it is and always will be the best phone that ever was/existed. | 10:43 |
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| Coke | MrPingu: I've got an N9, but I'm trying to get a refund | 10:43 |
| Coke | first trip back to Nokia they reflashed it and sent it back, still trying to gets the moneys back. | 10:43 |
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| Coke | 950, E7 ? | 10:45 |
| MrPingu | E7, looks nice | 10:45 |
| MrPingu | and there it stops: runing symbian | 10:45 |
| Coke | Well... I prefer symbian | 10:46 |
| Coke | over windows, that is. | 10:46 |
| Coke | or what the hell "Nokia Belle OS" is | 10:46 |
| MrPingu | Nokia Belle OS, is symbian ;) | 10:46 |
| MrPingu | :P | 10:46 |
| MrPingu | I used to make CFW's for Nokia 5800 XD | 10:47 |
| Coke | I dont know what CFW or 5800 is | 10:47 |
| Coke | All I know is that there is NO replacement for the N900. | 10:47 |
| MrPingu | Symbian touchscreen phone ;) | 10:47 |
| Macer | anybody know where the fengoffice # is? | 10:48 |
| MrPingu | Sorry but I got to go, cya | 10:48 |
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| Macer | i still think the e7 is ok | 10:48 |
| Coke | Has anyone tried running Maemo 5 on anything other than a N900 ? | 10:49 |
| Coke | like maybe E7 | 10:49 |
| Macer | i am a lit7le curious about the nokia numbering system | 10:49 |
| Coke | or perhaps even Samsung or HTC etc? | 10:49 |
| Macer | seems random heh | 10:49 |
| Macer | from n900 to n9 | 10:49 |
| Coke | Macer: no need to worry, now that Microsoft has bought Nokia they will name their phones Phone 8, 9, 10, 11 and then 2015 | 10:49 |
| Coke | Macer: I don't think N9 is the next N900 tho | 10:50 |
| Macer | they did?? | 10:50 |
| Coke | Macer: yes. | 10:50 |
| Coke | where have you been? | 10:50 |
| Macer | wow | 10:50 |
| Macer | kind of saw that coming tho | 10:50 |
| Coke | they didn't buy Nokia shares tho | 10:50 |
| Macer | i mean officially purchased nokia? | 10:50 |
| Coke | they just "bought" them, like a john buys a hooker. | 10:50 |
| Macer | oh | 10:50 |
| Macer | meh lol | 10:50 |
| Coke | Wtf would anybody buy shares in a company that is spiralling out of control into financial disaster? | 10:51 |
| Macer | MS Whore 1.0 | 10:51 |
| Coke | Yes. | 10:51 |
| Macer | patents | 10:51 |
| Macer | :-) | 10:51 |
| Coke | Actually, I prefer to try Maemo on a non-Nokia device since I dont want to support them financially | 10:51 |
| Macer | im sure nokia has a ton of them | 10:51 |
| Coke | But Im getting real desperate | 10:51 |
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| Coke | Macer: all useless. | 10:51 |
| Coke | The best system ever created involved ZERO patents. | 10:51 |
| Macer | not really... motorola had some great ones | 10:52 |
| Macer | that google bought | 10:52 |
| ShadowJK | You can't make anything at all without using patented technology | 10:52 |
| Coke | Macer: motorolas stuff was shit and not really free software | 10:52 |
| Coke | ShadowJK: Im talking software specifically | 10:53 |
| Macer | uhm | 10:53 |
| ShadowJK | coke: there too | 10:53 |
| Macer | hardware patents wete good tho | 10:53 |
| Macer | motorola has quite a few technologies on lock down | 10:53 |
| Coke | ShadowJK: nah. there's a lot of complete systems that dont rely on any patented software. | 10:53 |
| Macer | Coke: like? :-) | 10:54 |
| Coke | But if I can run Maemo5 on a motorola phone I will buy it | 10:54 |
| Macer | heh. yeah that would be awesome | 10:54 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if the xor patent has expired yet | 10:54 | |
| Macer | but doubt it will ever happen | 10:54 |
| Coke | Im googling for "maemo 5 on other devices", very sparse result list | 10:55 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: doesnt matter. look at what disney did with mickey mouse | 10:55 |
| ShadowJK | In general very few phones let you install anything on them | 10:55 |
| Macer | heh | 10:55 |
| ShadowJK | and then maemo only has drivers/etc for specific devices | 10:55 |
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| Macer | obviously time limitations dont apply when you have enough mobey | 10:55 |
| Coke | http://openpandora.org/ <- lacking a 3g sim slot | 10:55 |
| Macer | money | 10:56 |
| ShadowJK | Macer; that's copyright | 10:56 |
| ShadowJK | but yeah | 10:56 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: not to mention coders in asia dont want to lose their jobs lol | 10:56 |
| ShadowJK | what? | 10:56 |
| Macer | and india... they will lock down whatever they can | 10:57 |
| Macer | to ensure it cant be done | 10:57 |
| Coke | I would easily pay $2000 for an OpenPandora if it had a phone feature too. | 10:57 |
| Macer | no developer for a phone os wants to see another os on their phone | 10:57 |
| Macer | job security | 10:57 |
| Coke | I wish the phone market was more like the PC market | 10:58 |
| Coke | You buy your parts and install whatever you want. | 10:58 |
| Macer | especially when it works better heh | 10:58 |
| Macer | take CM on the G1 | 10:58 |
| Macer | it was far better than any htc stock | 10:58 |
| ShadowJK | Coke; well they're changing that too :) | 10:58 |
| Coke | So basically, what you guys are saying is: there's no phone that will ever replace the N900 ? | 10:58 |
| Coke | ShadowJK: they tried | 10:59 |
| Macer | doubt it | 10:59 |
| Coke | ShadowJK: Microsoft tried to do the same thing Apple did. | 10:59 |
| Coke | failed. | 10:59 |
| Coke | In Europe, at least, you can refuse the EULA and get your OEM moneys back | 10:59 |
| Coke | (on bundled software) | 10:59 |
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| Macer | n900 was one of a kind | 10:59 |
| Coke | and shitheads like Dell Europe will not advertise the fact that you can do that | 10:59 |
| ShadowJK | Coke; no I mean they're trying to lock the bios to only load approved systems | 10:59 |
| Macer | and even it wasnt really "open" | 10:59 |
| Coke | ShadowJK: that will never work because diversity sells | 11:00 |
| Macer | yeah | 11:00 |
| Coke | To many vendors. | 11:00 |
| Coke | too | 11:00 |
| Macer | someone will wind up selling unlocked bios based boards | 11:00 |
| Macer | and make a killing | 11:00 |
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| Coke | Yes. | 11:00 |
| Coke | Nokia started making phones into a glorious market, but since MS bought them like cheap whores off the street all they have focused on for the N9 release is selling services that are locked to the phone,. | 11:01 |
| Coke | Anyway, if you live in Europe you can get a refund for any bundled software and if you live in the US, buy from Dell; they deliver their systems with FreeDOS, some even with Ubuntu preinstalled. | 11:02 |
| Coke | But Dell in Europe "recommends Windows 7 and Internet Explorer" so they keep a big hush hush on the FreeDOS alternatives. | 11:03 |
| ShadowJK | if you say "recommends Windows 7", Microsoft funds your advertising | 11:04 |
| Coke | Yes ofcourse. | 11:04 |
| Coke | And Dell USA is refusing to sell me | 11:04 |
| Coke | "Sorry to inform you, but we are prohibited from selling to your region" | 11:05 |
| Coke | It's a sade state for capitalism and the free market economy when it's actually more profitable to take money from other vendors than your actual customers. | 11:05 |
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| Coke | That is, they'd rather have Microsofts money than mine. Same with Nokia. | 11:06 |
| StyXman | Coke: money is money | 11:06 |
| Coke | StyXman: but eventually someone will take another route and make a killing | 11:06 |
| StyXman | it has become a goal in itself instead of a medium | 11:06 |
| Coke | StyXman: the argument is that capitalism drives development for the better, it doesn't seem to be working for IT | 11:07 |
| Coke | (through competition) | 11:07 |
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| StyXman | just the same routhe the trading and banking systems took | 11:07 |
| StyXman | Coke: it is not working, period. | 11:07 |
| Coke | StyXman: I think it will work for low earth orbit launch vehicles | 11:08 |
| Coke | and also cars. | 11:08 |
| Coke | I don't know any other market with the diversity of vendors and models that the car industry has | 11:08 |
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| Coke | StyXman: also, provisions and food | 11:10 |
| Coke | I work in the food industry, we pretty much suck our customers off to get their attention. | 11:10 |
| Coke | I think the lack of patents is beneficial to a market when it comes to diversity, development and customer satisfaction. | 11:11 |
| Coke | Paying good lawyers is not a top priority for us, pleasing our customers is. | 11:11 |
| StyXman | Coke: food industry? anything to do with your nick? | 11:13 |
| Macer | drugs | 11:14 |
| Coke | StyXman: ha. | 11:14 |
| Coke | no. | 11:14 |
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| Macer | in US history blacks were not allowed to drink coca-cola because one of the ingredients was cocaine and it was believed cocaine made blacks rape white women | 11:15 |
| Macer | (swear to God) | 11:15 |
| Coke | Macer: hhhhhhrmmm | 11:16 |
| Macer | look it up ;-) | 11:16 |
| Coke | I know americans are amongst the most gullable nations on the planet, but not even they could beleive such a fairytale. | 11:16 |
| Coke | Wait hang on... My mistake, the nation is pretty much built on fairytale. :) | 11:16 |
| Macer | haha | 11:17 |
| Macer | well. it is true | 11:17 |
| * Sicelo lol | 11:17 | |
| Macer | the historical part | 11:17 |
| Macer | not the rape part | 11:17 |
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| Macer | wikipedia might have it in their article on cocaine | 11:18 |
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| Coke | Macer: I'm thinking mostly about the religious part. | 11:21 |
| Macer | heh | 11:22 |
| Macer | n 1914, Dr. Christopher Koch of Pennsylvania's State Pharmacy Board made the racial innuendo explicit, testifying that, “Most of the attacks upon the white women of the South are the direct result of a cocaine-crazed Negro brain." | 11:23 |
| Macer | wow. lol. glad i didnt live during that period | 11:24 |
| Coke | Yeah those were crazy days. | 11:25 |
| Macer | cocaine-crazed Negro brain lol | 11:25 |
| Macer | i mean.. it is bad but the wording is still kind of funny | 11:25 |
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| StyXman | Macer: it's the wording from that era | 11:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mrpingu should check if he maybe bought a used device with protector that comes off now | 11:49 |
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| Sicelo | ~ymmv | 12:08 |
| infobot | ymmv is, like, Your Mileage May Vary | 12:08 |
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| StyXman | about open phones: openmoko | 12:21 |
| StyXman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko#Golden_Delicious_GTA04_board | 12:22 |
| StyXman | I think that's the most open | 12:22 |
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| thresh | hola | 12:22 |
| StyXman | but no kb, veeeeeery small screen | 12:23 |
| StyXman | thresh: buenas | 12:23 |
| thresh | camera application on n900, taking minutes to "save" a photo after taking it | 12:23 |
| thresh | hw problem? sw problem? should I kill myself? | 12:23 |
| guly | blessn900? | 12:23 |
| thresh | nope, regular camera app from latest CSSU | 12:24 |
| Vib3 | yo | 12:24 |
| Vib3 | why doesn't tvbgone work on power kernel? | 12:24 |
| thresh | dmesg looks okayish | 12:24 |
| Vib3 | says: "trouble accessing IR device" | 12:25 |
| Sicelo | thresh: mail the N900 to africa and kill yourself :P | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | possibly corrupt FS | 12:31 |
| thresh | i'll check MyDocs fs indeed | 12:31 |
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| thresh | classiccamera has no issues saving photos to a filesystem. | 12:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thresh: fist check *where* it actually saves the photos | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | first* | 13:54 |
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| shanttu | i'm going to an electronic shop and ask them to solder the usb-port down. how to remove the microsd-card "holder"? | 15:02 |
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| shanttu | memory card pcb | 15:06 |
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| MrPingu | DocScrutinizer, I bought it new so it's really the screen that's coming off =( | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh shit | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: could you take a photo of it? possibly a macro? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | shanttu: it's fixed by doublesided sticky "foam" tape | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | shanttu: if you're careful, you can peel/pry it off in a way so you can reuse the original sticky | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if however it folds and wrinkles, just remove it completely prior to reassembly - it's not strictly mandatory for any property of the device | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | shanttu: I suggest you bring printouts of ~usbfix pics to repair shop, so they know what exactly they shall do | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 18:03 |
| infobot | i heard usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 18:03 |
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| shanttu | DocScrutinizer, I went there with pics. Guy who might do it wasn't around so I'll go there again | 18:04 |
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| shanttu | I'll talk with the guy if he can solder without removing sdcard-holder. Maybe guard the cable with something | 18:06 |
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| MrPingu | DocScrutinizer, where should I upload these pics? | 18:08 |
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| MrPingu | I made them with xperia arc, if you need higher quality pics, then I will get a "real" camera ;) But I think this would suffice | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | shanttu: I strongly discourage this approach. It's way harder to do a decent job on soldering when you can't reach to the USB due to LED daughter board in the way. | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: dunno where to upload pictures today ;-D | 18:11 |
| shanttu | MrPingu, imgur? | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds familiar | 18:11 |
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| shanttu | DocScrutinizer, thanks for your advice. Just seems a bit hard to remove the holder. | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | shanttu: nah, not really. Just apply constant force peeling it off, and *wait* | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | it may take a minute or 2 to come off, but it will | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | slightly increased temperature may help a lot | 18:16 |
| MrPingu | Hmm hmtl version of uploader is not very MicroB friendly :P Luckily the flash version works =) | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | shanttu: also make sure you covered cam lens by some thick sticky or a small patch of carton | 18:18 |
| MrPingu | http://imgur.com/a/4jpyV | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | shanttu: and tell the repair dude he shal be careful with daughter board flex cable. No bending, no pulling | 18:19 |
| StyXman | MrPingu: that's corsica! | 18:20 |
| StyXman | (not coruscant nor caprica) | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | the "cable" is amazingly rugged, but *when* it breaks, that's a write-off | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: dammit, that thing is thoroughly marred | 18:22 |
| MrPingu | StyXman, what do you mean with corsica? | 18:22 |
| lolcat | I just got a N-7000 | 18:22 |
| MrPingu | Doc, its sad, isn't it? | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather the "dirt" all over the screen is the separator silicon oil from inside digitizer? | 18:22 |
| MrPingu | No that's from my hands :P | 18:23 |
| MrPingu | Really it feels like just the uppermost layer of the screen is "gone" | 18:24 |
| StyXman | MrPingu: the strange thing on the screen, looks like the Corsica Island, close to south east France | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think there are many layers between surface and digitizer "guts" | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, a scary sight I never seen before. Looks like the digitizer got deteriorated by some solvent or sth | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: you say you bought it new, so you got warranty, no? | 18:27 |
| MrPingu | Well, the problem is, those little on "holes" on the left just appeared some weeks ago | 18:28 |
| MrPingu | and the bigger hole has there been since 5 months | 18:28 |
| MrPingu | Well, it went kind of strange | 18:29 |
| MrPingu | My dad's company had 2200 EUR left, for mobile phones | 18:29 |
| MrPingu | He wanted to keep his old, so I had the right to choose one | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: get a spare digitizer! | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and maybe you could try cleaning that thing and do another set of snapshots? | 18:30 |
| MrPingu | Then the company went banktrupt, so I had to buy it new in box from sale for about 120 EUR | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I honestly never have seen this sort of "fingerprints", c'mon! Or are you creaming your hands with tons of Nivea? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | to me that looks like a fair amount of some smeary liquid got spread all across the screen | 18:34 |
| MrPingu | Well you actually could be right | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | which I would identify as digitizer separator oil, taking into account the state this thing is in | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | try cleaning it with a damp cloth. If it absolutely doesn't take any water and forms lots of microscopic water droplets on the surface of that "dirt" then it probably is hydrophob silicon oil | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you can't remove it even with some mild detergent, then for sure it's silicon oil | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | if otoh you can clean it easily with damp cloth, then you probably just spilled your cappuccino over the screen | 18:40 |
| lolcat | Detergent? You mean solvent? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean "soap" | 18:40 |
| lolcat | Like bleech is a detergent, it is not good for cleaning fat | 18:40 |
| lolcat | Acetone is like a thousand times better | 18:41 |
| StyXman | DocScrutinizer: I think MrPingu's problem is not the external grease marks, but the island-like «stains» behind it | 18:41 |
| lolcat | A strong base, or a strong acicid is even better | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, it easily dilutes your complete display | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | acetone! TZTZTZ | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | StyXman: ORLY? | 18:42 |
| MrPingu | Hmm I probably spiled some drink on it, as it could be cleaned easily | 18:42 |
| MrPingu | or I had some greasy hands | 18:42 |
| lolcat | How do you forgett spilling a drink on your phone? | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: good, as that explains a) why you didn't mention digitizer malfunction and b) any problems with your skin on your fingertips | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | (silicon oil is rather irritant to skin) | 18:44 |
| StyXman | DocScrutinizer: no, Orly is to the south east of Paris. France is more than Paris :) | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | still I think this "peeling" must be caused by either some aggressive chemical like a solvent, or by heat | 18:45 |
| StyXman | (ok, ok, I'm just kindding. I'll shut up now) | 18:45 |
| MrPingu | About problems with skin on fingertips is true :P | 18:47 |
| MrPingu | My skin tends to "refresh" too much ;) | 18:47 |
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| MrPingu | So I got quite a possibility that my hands are greasy ;) | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw usual household cleaners for bathroom or for windows all have quite some aggressive chemicals and never may get used to clean your (any) display | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | the bathroom type has acids that reliably remove all antiglare and other coatings from your LCD, glasses, whatnot else | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | the window type has ammonia and/or other alkaline chemicals that also don't do good on delicate plastics and surface coating | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the solvents in there are not compatible with plastic sometimes | 18:53 |
| edheldil | I clean my glasses with liquid soap ... | 18:53 |
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| edheldil | and water | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | soap is OK | 18:53 |
| MrPingu | I only clean with slightly wet tissue | 18:53 |
| MrPingu | http://imgur.com/a/m1Iyl | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I once witnessed some 8 quite expensive CRT monitors got ruined by some dude cleaning them with Sidol GlassClean | 18:55 |
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| MrPingu | And what has the master to say? | 18:58 |
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| MrPingu | Btw one pic, before the cleaning is in that album... | 19:00 |
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| MrPingu | Where to get a digitizer? I mean are there "fakes" out there? | 19:06 |
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| MrPingu | Can't they see at nokia care, how old an device is? I mean, by means off unit number, or IMEI? | 19:12 |
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| a-saint | can you please provide me with the page on how to install the wireless drivers for the power kernel50 | 20:07 |
| MrPingu | Download the kp49 package driver, | 20:10 |
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| MrPingu | extract only the compat wireless folder( the folder with the .ko files) | 20:11 |
| MrPingu | extract kp50 driver, and overwrite those .ko files | 20:11 |
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| MrPingu | then to load: cd /home/user/MyDocsyour/driver/folder | 20:11 |
| MrPingu | sh load.sh | 20:12 |
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| MrPingu | to unload, do sh unload.sh | 20:12 |
| MrPingu | http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ | 20:13 |
| MrPingu | everything can be downloaded ;) | 20:13 |
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| a-saint | MrPingu, do i have to load unload everytime i want to use kleven | 20:14 |
| a-saint | cleven* | 20:14 |
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| a-saint | MrPingu, how can i downgrade to the old power kernel seems to work fine with no hassle | 20:22 |
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| MrPingu | You just need to replace the new .ko files with the old | 20:24 |
| Sicelo | you can just downgrade as usual. if you're not so brave, you can revert to stock, then install a kernel of your choice | 20:24 |
| MrPingu | no I talk nonsense | 20:25 |
| MrPingu | Anyway, just use aircrack-ng from terminal and/or get wifite.py. No GUI tool can beat wifite. I managed to crack a WEP in 3 minutes and 55 seconds ;) | 20:26 |
| MrPingu | And cleven is still usable, only it says so it found incompatible kernel | 20:26 |
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| MrPingu | ofcourse you need to have the new drivers for 50 then... | 20:27 |
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| a-saint | MrPingu, yeah and i don't seem to find a decent tutorial on how to install the compatible drivers | 20:28 |
| MrPingu | I want to help you, but not now. I have to go | 20:28 |
| a-saint | MrPingu, just provide me with a link | 20:29 |
| a-saint | MrPingu, anyways thank you for your help | 20:29 |
| MrPingu | http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ | 20:29 |
| MrPingu | there is all you need... | 20:29 |
| MrPingu | for tutorial, search cleven thread, or faircrack or kp50 thread on TMO | 20:30 |
| MrPingu | cya | 20:30 |
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| a-saint | Pali can you point me to the right place where i can make cleven work with the PK50 | 22:02 |
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| Pali | I do not use cleven, I have no idea about that app | 22:03 |
| a-saint | Pali Hm I see thank you | 22:04 |
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| a-saint | someone is using cleven and made it work with the latest PK50 | 22:07 |
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