IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-04-04

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Palimerlin1991, let me know when you create/re tvout l10n00:04
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javispedroPali: I can build it, FREMANTLE_ARMEL target?00:07
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Palibut you also need some dependences from cssu00:08
javispedroah :(00:08
Palithis package should be enought I think00:09
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javispedrouh, shlibdeps is broken00:11
javispedrowhy does libconnui-dev ship _actual library binaries_?00:12
javispedroin any case, this means someone needs to uncomment the dh_makeshlibs call in rules00:13
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merlin1991javispedro: because the library binaires are only avaiable on device00:18
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merlin1991but not in a package for the scratchbox00:19
merlin1991so linking with headers only is afaik not that easy :D00:19
javispedromerlin1991: but does the license allow this?00:19
javispedromerlin1991: if so, I'm all for it.. but please remember to uncomment dh_makeshlibs00:19
merlin1991jonwil did the package with the famous exception for nokia binaries on tmo in mind00:20
merlin1991strictly speaking the license does not allow this00:20
javispedrowill ping him next time then00:20
javispedro(without makeshlibs the package might be unusable on e.g. autobuilder)00:20
javispedrounless there's a on-device package that does that and I can't see it on sbox :P00:21
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Palijavispedro, thanks very much! my patches working00:39
Palimerlin1991, can I megre my changes to cssu git?00:39
merlin1991is it the string compare for 5 @?00:40
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Palisee both changes:
merlin1991and you think it really is bogus information from the network and nothing wrong elsewhere?00:41
Palimerlin1991, I do not know where is problem, but dbus-monitor showed me empty array00:41
PaliI think that there is some memory bug00:42
Palior sms-*.c code changing it to @@@....00:42
Paliat least everybody who had problems, got only a lot of @@@@@@....00:42
merlin1991so basicly the widget should ignore those?00:43
PaliI think yes00:43
merlin1991merge away :)00:43
PaliOk, I will push changes to cssu repo00:44
Palithere is one problem with this package: when I use dpkg -P widget... it remove both patched and unpatched* libraries00:46
Paliso this must be fixed before pushing package to cssu!!!00:46
Paliremoving libsms library can be fixed by reinstalling libsms0 package from nokia repo00:47
merlin1991hm that indeed is bad00:48
PaliI will fix it in next days00:48
Palinow I'm going offline, bye00:48
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javispedroyw Pali01:12
Vib3installed just dropbear ssh client but cant find "ssh"01:12
javispedroVib3: you can use dpkg -L <packagename> to find the list of files a package installed01:12
javispedromaybe you can find some other binary in /usr/bin01:12
Vib3but theres not "ssh" or dropbeard bin, hmmm01:15
javispedrobtw, I suggest you skip dropbear and use openssh directly01:15
javispedroyou can reduce ssh memory usage (like disabling privilege separation) if that's what concerns you01:15
javispedrowith bare dropbear, you won't even have sftp-server01:16
Vib3k, just tried to try dropbear :p01:16
Vib3openssh is good01:16
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javispedrodropbear is mostly for platforms that are way more "embedded" than ours ;)01:17
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Vib3needed to flash so reinstalling software here..01:17
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: indeed01:17
Vib3hmm but can't find openssh in repos01:18
DocScrutinizert900:~# apt-cache search openssh01:19
DocScrutinizerlibssl0.9.8 - SSL shared libraries01:19
Vib3added extras, e-devel and e-testing but not found01:19
DocScrutinizeropenssh-server - Secure shell server, an rshd replacement01:19
DocScrutinizeropenssh-common - Common files fro ssh server and client01:19
DocScrutinizeropenssh-client - Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement01:19
DocScrutinizeropenssh - Secure shell client and server01:19
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DocScrutinizert900:~# apt-cache policy openssh01:20
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 1:5.1p1-6.maemo501:20
DocScrutinizer *** 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 001:20
DocScrutinizer        500 fremantle/free Packages01:20
Vib3DocScrutinizer: thx :D01:21
Vib3app manager didn't show it cos I typed "ssh", it just showed dropbear SSH things01:21
Vib3but found it now using "openssh"01:23
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DocScrutinizer"*" helps a lot01:24
DocScrutinizerapt-cache search '.*ssh.*'01:24
Vib3I thought it would search that string inside strings by default :p01:24
Vib3cos I do things always like that :p01:25
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Vib3now to sleeep01:25
Vib3thx & bye! ->01:25
ShadowJKheh that typing "ssh" and then not finding openssh thing happened to me last week :)01:27
FIQseriously, HAM is completly useless01:29
FIQ"oh, you clicked a button? please let me update the package list! you know, this MUST be done everytime you do sometning"01:29
FIQand the fact that I've devel activated atm didn't really make the situation better01:30
FIQgreat, now it stopped working completly01:31
FIQwhere is the mirrorlist.d or whatever it's named in apt/n900?01:32
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DocScrutinizerFIQ: indeed, though there's some code that's supposed to help with that particular problem. Usually it should update only after 2h or sth, not faster01:42
DocScrutinizerbut the code stinks, and obviously because it's rotten01:42
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FIQis there a solution for this? I prefer the CLI, but the GUI has a more nice way to scroll a list of applications01:43
DocScrutinizerI'd hope CSSU HAM eventually will fix this particular flaw01:43
FIQlike now when I tried to find "faster application manager", searching for faster yielded... nothing01:43
FIQpr at least not what I wanted01:44
FIQDocScrutinizer: okay01:44
FIQbtw, why does it randomly empties the repository list and refuse to work?01:44
villagerFIQ: have you tried the "Faster Application Manager" (fapman)?01:44
FIQ(like now)01:44
FIQi have01:45
FIQ00:43:51 < FIQ> like now when I tried to find "faster application manager", searching for faster  yielded... nothing01:45
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FIQwiped as I flashed some months ago01:45
FIQthanks for the name01:45
DocScrutinizeryou however should document it by stat'ing the "or whatever it's called list" several times during using HAM, then open a ticket against CSSU HAM01:45
DocScrutinizerfapman has known flaws as well01:46
FIQhm, not found01:46
DocScrutinizeresp some nasty ones when it comes to not so standard packages01:46
FIQmaybe I didn't have devel on really?01:46
villagerI don't like fapman much, but it's worth using in some cases01:46
DocScrutinizermeh, before I use fapman, I prefer apt-get01:47
FIQif so, how to enable it from commandline? i.e. where's the repo list?01:47
villageryou shouldn't need devel to find fapman, it's in standard extras01:47
FIQi know there's 2 of them, and 1 that isn't really used, but I forgot the location of both of them01:48
DocScrutinizerenabling repos is sth you definitely should do in HAM01:48
FIQok' I'll do an apt-get update01:48
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FIQDocScrutinizer: and if it forgets all the repos that it does sometimes?01:48
DocScrutinizernever did for me01:48
FIQ"Operation failed, try again" *hide all repos*01:48
FIQon update01:49
DocScrutinizerif it does, this results from you using other methods for app managing01:49
DocScrutinizeroperation failed means there are connectivity issues01:49
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villagerFIQ: if HAM is still doing stuff like updates in the background, you probably can't use apt-get until it's done01:49
villagerbut then it'd say "locked" I suppose01:50
FIQvillager: I'm aware of that01:50
FIQoperation failed was from HAM btw, not apt01:50
FIQapt hasn't given any errors at all really except "normal" things like if a package isn't found (typos), HAM has given me weird errors more than once01:51
FIQthat doesn't really tell much about more exactly what failed01:52
merlin1991FIQ: yeah I had that operation failed, and the issue with gone repos quite a lot01:53
merlin1991but it usually fixes itself if you leave the n900 alone for a bit, fire up ham again01:53
merlin1991click the update button and wait :D01:53
FIQW: Conflicting distribution: fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )01:53
FIQWhy do I get that?01:53
FIQ"You might want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" yeah, right (I just did that)01:55
* javispedro just replaced a GIGANTIC excel "array" formula (I did not even know they existed) with a simple max(two cells) formula01:55
javispedroand turns out, libreoffice supports those too ...
FIQhm, I still can't find fapma01:56
FIQand I'm certain that I've not modified my repositories other than adding a devel part of it01:56
javispedro... If you enter the array formula directly into the cell, you must use the key combination Shift+Ctrl+Enter instead of the Enter key ... voodoo. I wonder how would I do this on N9/00 =)01:56
javispedroneed to add generic support for vkb for Xephyr/qole's easy debian, but dunno how01:58
FIQshould work with a n900..?01:58
villagerFIQ: what's in your repo lists then? (/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list I suppose) should have deb fremantle-1.3 free non-free01:58
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FIQwhy do I seem to have 2 iterations of devel?02:04
villagerthe first one seems to be for old versions of fremantle02:05
FIQshould I remove it?02:06
villageryou could try removing both to see if the error goes away... besides, if I'm looking for something not in regular extras, I'd often rather look in extras-testing before I go all the wa  to extras-devel02:07
villagers/wa /way/02:07
infobotvillager meant: you could try removing both to see if the error goes away... besides, if I'm looking for something not in regular extras, I'd often rather look in extras-testing before I go all the way to extras-devel02:07
merlin1991FIQ: the conflicting distribution is due to the way extras-devel has the repo layout02:07
merlin1991you can either adjust your entry for -devel or just ignore it02:08
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LaoLang_coolHi, I'm using vim on maemo, can vim window be resized to not maximize the screen?05:41
LaoLang_coolso I can take notes when surfing web conveniently05:42
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MrPinguhello, anyone around with knowledge about screens/digitizers?08:46
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HurrianMrPingu, ping09:54
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MrPinguHurrian, pong10:05
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MrPinguAnyway, my screen is sort of scratched. It looks like the uppermost layer has come off at some places. Something I don't understand while I never hit my screen with something hard and sharp.10:10
MrPinguI only need to replace the digitizer, if I am right?10:11
SiceloMrPingu: you missed people like DocScrutinizer yesterday. your issue does sound like a digitizer problem to me. i'm sure digitizer will really need replacing, whatever else may be the problem10:15
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Siceloyou'll do replacement on your own, or you will get someone to do it for you?10:18
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MrPinguWell I don't know yet, everything is still working fine but you really feel some relief when you wipe your finger over the screen10:19
MrPinguI will get a new phone this summerp but I don't want to abandon my N900 ;)10:20
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MrPinguSo if it's rather cheap to replace(don't even know where to get one) the digitizer, I will do that. Probably on my own10:21
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Hurrianyup, digitizer10:28
Hurrianit's easy to replace, but you need to disassemble entire screen10:28
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MrPinguThank you10:29
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MrPinguI don't want to spend much money on this phone as I know, it will become a toy in the summer and I am just a poor student10:30
MrPinguCan I get some digitizer from ebay, or do you really discourage that?10:31
MrPinguI mean, some places sell digitizers for about 80 EUR, some for 45 EUR and some for about 20.10:31
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CokeHi. I'm looking at the buy & sell forums on and it looks like N900 is a pretty attractive piece of hardware. I was looking to buy a new one since the old one's screen is slowly, but steadily, becoming less responsive. (maybe I polish it too much?)10:41
CokeIs there any other phone or hardware that is comparable to the N900 in feature set, in particular the Linux feel and open repository?10:41
CokeI basically only use the e-mail, IM and terminal.10:42
Coke(oh and sometimes code a wee bit of python and perl)10:42
MrPinguI don't think so10:42
CokeChecked out a "top ten best keyboarded phones", but they were all running Android.10:42
MrPinguYeah, maemo is the only "real" linux10:43
CokeN900 wasnt even on that list even though everyone knows it is and always will be the best phone that ever was/existed.10:43
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CokeMrPingu: I've got an N9, but I'm trying to get a refund10:43
Cokefirst trip back to Nokia they reflashed it and sent it back, still trying to gets the moneys back.10:43
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Coke950, E7 ?10:45
MrPinguE7, looks nice10:45
MrPinguand there it stops: runing symbian10:45
CokeWell... I prefer symbian10:46
Cokeover windows, that is.10:46
Cokeor what the hell "Nokia Belle OS" is10:46
MrPinguNokia Belle OS, is symbian ;)10:46
MrPinguI used to make CFW's for Nokia 5800 XD10:47
CokeI dont know what CFW or 5800 is10:47
CokeAll I know is that there is NO replacement for the N900.10:47
MrPinguSymbian touchscreen phone ;)10:47
Maceranybody know where the fengoffice # is?10:48
MrPinguSorry but I got to go, cya10:48
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Maceri still think the e7 is ok10:48
CokeHas anyone tried running Maemo 5 on anything other than a N900 ?10:49
Cokelike maybe E710:49
Maceri am a lit7le curious about the nokia numbering system10:49
Cokeor perhaps even Samsung or HTC etc?10:49
Macerseems random heh10:49
Macerfrom n900 to n910:49
CokeMacer: no need to worry, now that Microsoft has bought Nokia they will name their phones   Phone 8, 9, 10, 11 and then 201510:49
CokeMacer: I don't think N9 is the next N900 tho10:50
Macerthey did??10:50
CokeMacer: yes.10:50
Cokewhere have you been?10:50
Macerkind of saw that coming tho10:50
Cokethey didn't buy Nokia shares tho10:50
Maceri mean officially purchased nokia?10:50
Cokethey just "bought" them, like a john buys a hooker.10:50
Macermeh lol10:50
CokeWtf would anybody buy shares in a company that is spiralling out of control into financial disaster?10:51
MacerMS Whore 1.010:51
CokeActually, I prefer to try Maemo on a non-Nokia device since I dont want to support them financially10:51
Macerim sure nokia has a ton of them10:51
CokeBut Im getting real desperate10:51
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CokeMacer: all useless.10:51
CokeThe best system ever created involved ZERO patents.10:51
Macernot really... motorola had some great ones10:52
Macerthat google bought10:52
ShadowJKYou can't make anything at all without using patented technology10:52
CokeMacer: motorolas stuff was shit and not really free software10:52
CokeShadowJK: Im talking software specifically10:53
ShadowJKcoke: there too10:53
Macerhardware patents wete good tho10:53
Macermotorola has quite a few technologies on lock down10:53
CokeShadowJK: nah. there's a lot of complete systems that dont rely on any patented software.10:53
MacerCoke: like? :-)10:54
CokeBut if I can run Maemo5 on a motorola phone I will buy it10:54
Macerheh. yeah that would be awesome10:54
* ShadowJK wonders if the xor patent has expired yet10:54
Macerbut doubt it will ever happen10:54
CokeIm googling for "maemo 5 on other devices", very sparse result list10:55
MacerShadowJK: doesnt matter. look at what disney did with mickey mouse10:55
ShadowJKIn general very few phones let you install anything on them10:55
ShadowJKand then maemo only has drivers/etc for specific devices10:55
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Macerobviously time limitations dont apply when you have enough mobey10:55
Coke  <- lacking a 3g sim slot10:55
ShadowJKMacer; that's copyright10:56
ShadowJKbut yeah10:56
MacerShadowJK: not to mention coders in asia dont want to lose their jobs lol10:56
Macerand india... they will lock down whatever they can10:57
Macerto ensure it cant be done10:57
CokeI would easily pay $2000 for an OpenPandora if it had a phone feature too.10:57
Macerno developer for a phone os wants to see another os on their phone10:57
Macerjob security10:57
CokeI wish the phone market was more like the PC market10:58
CokeYou buy your parts and install whatever you want.10:58
Macerespecially when it works better heh10:58
Macertake CM on the G110:58
Macerit was far better than any htc stock10:58
ShadowJKCoke; well they're changing that too :)10:58
CokeSo basically, what you guys are saying is: there's no phone that will ever replace the N900 ?10:58
CokeShadowJK: they tried10:59
Macerdoubt it10:59
CokeShadowJK: Microsoft tried to do the same thing Apple did.10:59
CokeIn Europe, at least, you can refuse the EULA and get your OEM moneys back10:59
Coke(on bundled software)10:59
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Macern900 was one of a kind10:59
Cokeand shitheads like Dell Europe will not advertise the fact that you can do that10:59
ShadowJKCoke; no I mean they're trying to lock the bios to only load approved systems10:59
Macerand even it wasnt really "open"10:59
CokeShadowJK: that will never work because diversity sells11:00
CokeTo many vendors.11:00
Macersomeone will wind up selling unlocked bios based boards11:00
Macerand make a killing11:00
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CokeNokia started making phones into a glorious market, but since MS bought them like cheap whores off the street all they have focused on for the N9 release is selling services that are locked to the phone,.11:01
CokeAnyway, if you live in Europe you can get a refund for any bundled software and if you live in the US, buy from Dell; they deliver their systems with FreeDOS, some even with Ubuntu preinstalled.11:02
CokeBut Dell in Europe "recommends Windows 7 and Internet Explorer" so they keep a big hush hush on the FreeDOS alternatives.11:03
ShadowJKif you say "recommends Windows 7", Microsoft funds your advertising11:04
CokeYes ofcourse.11:04
CokeAnd Dell USA is refusing to sell me11:04
Coke"Sorry to inform you, but we are prohibited from selling to your region"11:05
CokeIt's a sade state for capitalism and the free market economy when it's actually more profitable to take money from other vendors than your actual customers.11:05
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CokeThat is, they'd rather have Microsofts money than mine. Same with Nokia.11:06
StyXmanCoke: money is money11:06
CokeStyXman: but eventually someone will take another route and make a killing11:06
StyXmanit has become a goal in itself instead of a medium11:06
CokeStyXman: the argument is that capitalism drives development for the better, it doesn't seem to be working for IT11:07
Coke(through competition)11:07
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StyXmanjust the same routhe the trading and banking systems took11:07
StyXmanCoke: it is not working, period.11:07
CokeStyXman: I think it will work for low earth orbit launch vehicles11:08
Cokeand also cars.11:08
CokeI don't know any other market with the diversity of vendors and models that the car industry has11:08
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CokeStyXman: also, provisions and food11:10
CokeI work in the food industry, we pretty much suck our customers off to get their attention.11:10
CokeI think the lack of patents is beneficial to a market when it comes to diversity, development and customer satisfaction.11:11
CokePaying good lawyers is not a top priority for us, pleasing our customers is.11:11
StyXmanCoke: food industry? anything to do with your nick?11:13
CokeStyXman: ha.11:14
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Macerin US history blacks were not allowed to drink coca-cola because one of the ingredients was cocaine and it was believed cocaine made blacks rape white women11:15
Macer(swear to God)11:15
CokeMacer: hhhhhhrmmm11:16
Macerlook it up ;-)11:16
CokeI know americans are amongst the most gullable nations on the planet, but not even they could beleive such a fairytale.11:16
CokeWait hang on... My mistake, the nation is pretty much built on fairytale. :)11:16
Macerwell. it is true11:17
* Sicelo lol11:17
Macerthe historical part11:17
Macernot the rape part11:17
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Macerwikipedia might have it in their article on cocaine11:18
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CokeMacer: I'm thinking mostly about the religious part.11:21
Macern 1914, Dr. Christopher Koch of Pennsylvania's State Pharmacy Board made the racial innuendo explicit, testifying that, “Most of the attacks upon the white women of the South are the direct result of a cocaine-crazed Negro brain."11:23
Macerwow. lol. glad i didnt live during that period11:24
CokeYeah those were crazy days.11:25
Macercocaine-crazed Negro brain lol11:25
Maceri mean.. it is bad but the wording is still kind of funny11:25
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StyXmanMacer: it's the wording from that era11:28
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DocScrutinizermrpingu should check if he maybe bought a used device with protector that comes off now11:49
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infobotymmv is, like, Your Mileage May Vary12:08
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StyXmanabout open phones: openmoko12:21
StyXmanI think that's the most open12:22
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StyXmanbut no kb, veeeeeery small screen12:23
StyXmanthresh: buenas12:23
threshcamera application on n900, taking minutes to "save" a photo after taking it12:23
threshhw problem? sw problem? should I kill myself?12:23
threshnope, regular camera app from latest CSSU12:24
Vib3why doesn't tvbgone work on power kernel?12:24
threshdmesg looks okayish12:24
Vib3says: "trouble accessing IR device"12:25
Sicelothresh: mail the N900 to africa and kill yourself :P12:30
Sicelopossibly corrupt FS12:31
threshi'll check MyDocs fs indeed12:31
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threshclassiccamera has no issues saving photos to a filesystem.12:49
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DocScrutinizerthresh: fist check *where* it actually saves the photos13:54
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shanttui'm going to an electronic shop and ask them to solder the usb-port down. how to remove the microsd-card "holder"?15:02
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shanttumemory card pcb15:06
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MrPinguDocScrutinizer,  I bought it new so it's really the screen that's coming off =(17:57
DocScrutinizeroh shit17:58
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: could you take a photo of it? possibly a macro?17:58
DocScrutinizershanttu: it's fixed by doublesided sticky "foam" tape17:59
DocScrutinizershanttu: if you're careful, you can peel/pry it off in a way so you can reuse the original sticky18:00
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DocScrutinizerif however it folds and wrinkles, just remove it completely prior to reassembly - it's not strictly mandatory for any property of the device18:01
DocScrutinizershanttu: I suggest you bring printouts of ~usbfix pics to repair shop, so they know what exactly they shall do18:02
infoboti heard usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)18:03
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shanttuDocScrutinizer, I went there with pics. Guy who might do it wasn't around so I'll go there again18:04
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shanttuI'll talk with the guy if he can solder without removing sdcard-holder. Maybe guard the cable with something18:06
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MrPinguDocScrutinizer, where should I upload these pics?18:08
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MrPinguI made them with xperia arc, if you need higher quality pics, then I will get a "real" camera ;) But I think this would suffice18:09
DocScrutinizershanttu: I strongly discourage this approach. It's way harder to do a decent job on soldering when you can't reach to the USB due to LED daughter board in the way.18:10
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: dunno where to upload pictures today ;-D18:11
shanttuMrPingu, imgur?18:11
DocScrutinizersounds familiar18:11
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shanttuDocScrutinizer, thanks for your advice. Just seems a bit hard to remove the holder.18:15
DocScrutinizershanttu: nah, not really. Just apply constant force peeling it off, and *wait*18:16
DocScrutinizerit may take a minute or 2 to come off, but it will18:16
DocScrutinizerslightly increased temperature may help a lot18:16
MrPinguHmm hmtl version of uploader is not very MicroB friendly :P Luckily the flash version works =)18:18
DocScrutinizershanttu: also make sure you covered cam lens by some thick sticky or a small patch of carton18:18
DocScrutinizershanttu: and tell the repair dude he shal be careful with daughter board flex cable. No bending, no pulling18:19
StyXmanMrPingu: that's corsica!18:20
StyXman(not coruscant nor caprica)18:20
DocScrutinizerthe "cable" is amazingly rugged, but *when* it breaks, that's a write-off18:20
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: dammit, that thing is thoroughly marred18:22
MrPinguStyXman, what do you mean with corsica?18:22
lolcatI just got a N-700018:22
MrPinguDoc, its sad, isn't it?18:22
DocScrutinizerI gather the "dirt" all over the screen is the separator silicon oil from inside digitizer?18:22
MrPinguNo that's from my hands :P18:23
MrPinguReally it feels like just the uppermost layer of the screen is "gone"18:24
StyXmanMrPingu: the strange thing on the screen, looks like the Corsica Island, close to south east France18:24
DocScrutinizerI don't think there are many layers between surface and digitizer "guts"18:25
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DocScrutinizeranyway, a scary sight I never seen before. Looks like the digitizer got deteriorated by some solvent or sth18:26
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DocScrutinizerMrPingu: you say you bought it new, so you got warranty, no?18:27
MrPinguWell, the problem is, those little on "holes" on the left just appeared some weeks ago18:28
MrPinguand the bigger hole has there been since 5 months18:28
MrPinguWell, it went kind of strange18:29
MrPinguMy dad's company had 2200 EUR left, for mobile phones18:29
MrPinguHe wanted to keep his old, so I had the right to choose one18:29
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: get a spare digitizer!18:30
DocScrutinizerand maybe you could try cleaning that thing and do another set of snapshots?18:30
MrPinguThen the company went banktrupt, so I had to buy it new in box from sale for about 120 EUR18:30
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DocScrutinizerI honestly never have seen this sort of "fingerprints", c'mon! Or are you creaming your hands with tons of Nivea?18:33
DocScrutinizerto me that looks like a fair amount of some smeary liquid got spread all across the screen18:34
MrPinguWell you actually could be right18:34
DocScrutinizerwhich I would identify as digitizer separator oil, taking into account the state this thing is in18:34
DocScrutinizertry cleaning it with a damp cloth. If it absolutely doesn't take any water and forms lots of microscopic water droplets on the surface of that "dirt" then it probably is hydrophob silicon oil18:37
DocScrutinizerif you can't remove it even with some mild detergent, then for sure it's silicon oil18:38
DocScrutinizerif otoh you can clean it easily with damp cloth, then you probably just spilled your cappuccino over the screen18:40
lolcatDetergent? You mean solvent?18:40
DocScrutinizerI mean "soap"18:40
lolcatLike bleech is a detergent, it is not good for cleaning fat18:40
lolcatAcetone is like a thousand times better18:41
StyXmanDocScrutinizer: I think MrPingu's problem is not the external grease marks, but the island-like «stains» behind it18:41
lolcatA strong base, or a strong acicid is even better18:41
DocScrutinizersure, it easily dilutes your complete display18:41
DocScrutinizeracetone! TZTZTZ18:42
DocScrutinizerStyXman: ORLY?18:42
MrPinguHmm I probably spiled some drink on it, as it could be cleaned easily18:42
MrPinguor I had some greasy hands18:42
lolcatHow do you forgett spilling a drink on your phone?18:43
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: good, as that explains a) why you didn't mention digitizer malfunction and b) any problems with your skin on your fingertips18:43
DocScrutinizer(silicon oil is rather irritant to skin)18:44
StyXmanDocScrutinizer: no, Orly is to the south east of Paris. France is more than Paris :)18:45
DocScrutinizerstill I think this "peeling" must be caused by either some aggressive chemical like a solvent, or by heat18:45
StyXman(ok, ok, I'm just kindding. I'll shut up now)18:45
MrPinguAbout problems with skin on fingertips is true :P18:47
MrPinguMy skin tends to "refresh" too much ;)18:47
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MrPinguSo I got quite a possibility that my hands are greasy ;)18:48
DocScrutinizerbtw usual household cleaners for bathroom or for windows all have quite some aggressive chemicals and never may get used to clean your (any) display18:48
DocScrutinizerthe bathroom type has acids that reliably remove all antiglare and other coatings from your LCD, glasses, whatnot else18:50
DocScrutinizerthe window type has ammonia and/or other alkaline chemicals that also don't do good on delicate plastics and surface coating18:52
DocScrutinizeralso the solvents in there are not compatible with plastic sometimes18:53
edheldilI clean my glasses with liquid soap ...18:53
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edheldiland water18:53
DocScrutinizersoap is OK18:53
MrPinguI only clean with slightly wet tissue18:53
DocScrutinizerI once witnessed some 8 quite expensive CRT monitors got ruined by some dude cleaning them with Sidol GlassClean18:55
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MrPinguAnd what has the master to say?18:58
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MrPinguBtw one pic, before the cleaning is in that album...19:00
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MrPinguWhere to get a digitizer? I mean are there "fakes" out there?19:06
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MrPinguCan't they see at nokia care, how old an device is? I mean, by means off unit number, or IMEI?19:12
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a-saintcan you please provide me with the page on how to install the wireless drivers for the power kernel5020:07
MrPinguDownload the kp49 package driver,20:10
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MrPinguextract only the compat wireless folder( the folder with the .ko files)20:11
MrPinguextract kp50 driver, and overwrite those .ko files20:11
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MrPinguthen to load: cd /home/user/MyDocsyour/driver/folder20:11
MrPingush load.sh20:12
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MrPinguto unload, do sh unload.sh20:12
MrPingueverything can be downloaded ;)20:13
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a-saintMrPingu, do i have to load unload everytime i want to use kleven20:14
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a-saintMrPingu, how can i downgrade to the old power kernel seems to work fine with no hassle20:22
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MrPinguYou just need to replace the new .ko files with the old20:24
Siceloyou can just downgrade as usual. if you're not so brave, you can revert to stock, then install a kernel of your choice20:24
MrPinguno I talk nonsense20:25
MrPinguAnyway, just use aircrack-ng from terminal and/or get No GUI tool can beat wifite. I managed to crack a WEP in 3 minutes and 55 seconds ;)20:26
MrPinguAnd cleven is still usable, only it says so it found incompatible kernel20:26
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MrPinguofcourse you need to have the new drivers for 50 then...20:27
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a-saintMrPingu, yeah and i don't seem to find a decent tutorial on how to install the compatible drivers20:28
MrPinguI want to help you, but not now. I have to go20:28
a-saintMrPingu, just provide me with a link20:29
a-saintMrPingu, anyways thank you for your help20:29
MrPinguthere is all you need...20:29
MrPingufor tutorial, search cleven thread, or faircrack or kp50 thread on TMO20:30
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a-saintPali can you point me to the right place where i can make cleven work with the PK5022:02
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PaliI do not use cleven, I have no idea about that app22:03
a-saintPali Hm I see thank you22:04
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a-saintsomeone is using cleven and made it work with the latest PK5022:07
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