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TiagoTiago|AFKIs there a way to do a backup using the builtin backup system but just from the console, without having access to the GUI?03:36
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DocScrutinizeralas not, what an idiocy03:44
DocScrutinizerstopped me from implementing a nice automatic backup scheduled by alarmed03:45
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DocScrutinizerbtw exactly same shit with notes app, you can't tell it to open a particular file, which very effectively defeated my simple approach to have a icon shortcut to a shopping list on desktop03:46
TiagoTiagoDoes the builtin backup proggie does anything special or can all the steps to recreate a valid backup file be performed by a shell script?03:46
DocScrutinizergood question,probably it could, if you knew exactly what it does03:47
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TiagoTiagoIs that documented somewhere?03:48
TiagoTiagoI mean, somewhere where the public in general can see online without the need to sign an NDA nor anything such03:48
ShadowJKit does stop some services during backup, iirc03:48
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TiagoTiago ; in particular: "Method: activate"..."Description: "Used to activate the application with auto-activation". I s that what i'm looking for?03:52
DocScrutinizerprolly not, iirc I looked into it and it still doesn't do unattended backup03:54
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DocScrutinizerI.E. it still pops up the GUI and needs attention from user to proceed03:55
TiagoTiagoWhy is it called auto-activation if it isn't automated and just another way to start the GUI?03:56
DocScrutinizerbut I'd appreciate when you look into it again, to make sure03:56
TiagoTiagoThat would be much easier if i had a working screen to see what is going on...03:58
DocScrutinizer>>For backing up, the backup_start and backup_finish D-Bus signals will be emitted on the session bus, indicating to applications that they should not write to disk.<< HAHA I wonder how many apps are aware of and obey those04:00
TiagoTiagoI didn't expect things would go this bad with a simple resolder job performed by someone that does things like that for a living. Obviously i should've backuped anyway, hindsight 20/20...04:01
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DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: >> Method  activate Parameters  none Returns  Empty reply Description  Used to activate the application with auto-activation << since that's the only method, and it takes no parameters, I conclude it's how HAM is invoking backup when a OS update is due. This will not result in unattended backup afaik04:04
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villagerTiagoTiago: probably that auto-activate was so that the application manager can start the backup application before a system upgrade04:06
TiagoTiagoBtw, do you know of a way i can copy everything from a N900 to a Windows machine i such a way that all the file properties, symlinks etc will be restored properly when copying back to the N900?04:07
TiagoTiagoin such*04:07
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villagerperhaps you have to use tar for that... or use some backup server that can store stuff like that in some kind of database...04:11
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damianoyou could use tar and netcat to transfer04:15
TiagoTiagoCan the tar be created already on the Widnows machine? I'm not sure i got enough free space on the N900...04:15
damianoyou can send on the fly04:16
villageryes... basically, tar to stdout, then send stdout through netcat or ssh or whatever to something on the windows machine04:18
damianoexactly argumet for f option is "-"04:19
villagerbut the tar command must run on the n900, of course... on the windows machine it's too late04:19
damianoon windows you need to run only netcat server04:20
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damianowhy not netcat?04:21
DocScrutinizerwhy netcat?04:21
damianonetcat doesn't crypt and so is faster04:22
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damianoyou have slow cpu on n90004:22
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damianoif you are in a trusted lan of course04:24
DocScrutinizerand if you got the nerves to set up netcat on *both* ends04:25
damianoIt's not more difficult than set ssh04:25
villagerI'd expect it to be easier to make a netcat server than a ssh server on windows04:26
DocScrutinizerwhile a ssh N900 tar -foobar >this/is/on/local/PC/backup.tgz is painless to set up04:26
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DocScrutinizerdamiano: mhm, is it?04:26
DocScrutinizerohwell, windows, NFC04:27
DocScrutinizeris *anything* simple on windows? except losing your mind04:27
TiagoTiagoWhat's NFC?04:27
infobotfrom memory, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications04:27
damianowe talk about transfer to windowss machine04:28
TiagoTiagothere are lots of things simpler on Windows, specially if you're familiar with it; but i guess the same could be said about Linux04:28
damianoI don't understand the problem04:29
villagerI suppose it would work to do a "ssh n900 tar > ..." from windows if you're using something like cygwin there04:29
DocScrutinizerI guess it could even work in dosbox04:31
villagerbut for most windows gui ssh clients it would be a no go04:31
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DocScrutinizerno idea if there's a cmdline ssh client for dosbox though04:33
damianoThere should be a ssh server for windows04:33
damianoI think04:33
DocScrutinizerI refuse to discuss windows stuff :-D04:33
TiagoTiagoI think one comes with cygwin04:33
damianoI'm not a windows user so I'm not sure04:34
DocScrutinizerI'm cursed to use windows on my daywork, and I'm happy I found cygwin lately04:34
TiagoTiago <- seems promising04:34
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villagerTiagoTiago: that's not going to help you, it requires you to have an ext2 partition on the windows machine, *and* it still can't handle attributes and symlinks04:35
TiagoTiagooh, damn :(04:35
* DocScrutinizer suggests to crank up a linux in a VM and use rsync04:36
villagerit's useful only for a dual boot system to allow the windows to access the linux files, I use it on my laptop04:36
villageryeah, a vm could work04:36
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DocScrutinizerfor tested rsync invocation see:04:37
damianoyou don't need it furthermore04:37
infobotit has been said that jrtools is
DocScrutinizerbut honestly if you already can log in to device via ssh, why not simply copy everything to either uSD right away, or to MyDocs and from there via mass-storage-mode04:39
DocScrutinizeraaah mass storage no option, when USB broken04:40
DocScrutinizerso you still got uSD04:41
DocScrutinizerbtw if you opt for tar, do NOT use compression!04:42
DocScrutinizerit *really* will slow down things to a grinding halt04:42
DocScrutinizer(while encryption in shh is no major issue, at least here)04:43
TiagoTiagoDo you happen to know of a free SSH enabled FTP client with decent download resuming capabilities, that does store the linux file system metadata in a manner that can be reapplied when uploading?04:43
TiagoTiagoI mean, one that rusn on Windows04:43
DocScrutinizerno way to make ftp store metadata on a fs that'S not compatible04:44
TiagoTiagoAlso being able to throttle the download speed from within the program to keep the N900 from crashing from the intense disk activity would be great04:44
villagernot sure ftp even supports transferring attributes04:44
TiagoTiagoi don't mean store it the way Linux does, but perhaps using it's own format in a parallel database, and then reapplying that metadata when uploading04:45
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: no crashing will happen04:45
TiagoTiagoit has for me04:45
DocScrutinizernot on reading04:45
TiagoTiagointense disk activity freezes the system enough that some watchdog or whatever kills essential system process and forces a reboot04:45
DocScrutinizermight be an issue when copying on device from eMMC to uSD04:45
DocScrutinizermeh, never happened here04:46
DocScrutinizeronly thing that could cause this is swap hell04:46
DocScrutinizeron reading you'll not see any swap hell I'd guess04:46
TiagoTiagoThe way shit's been falling apart i probably got some aged unit from the store or somthing04:47
DocScrutinizerunlikely the cause of any of your problems04:47
villagersuch reboots have happened to me, but that was when doing lots of crap to big loopback-mounted filesystem (stored on eMMC), with lots of swapping thrown in04:49
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villagerI don't think just reading the filesystem would do it04:50
TiagoTiagoMy screen looks like it has been thru a micrometeorite shower in a couple patches, the keys are loosing the paint on the inside (or at least looks that way), the USB and flex seems to have failed much sooner; battery life always sucked big time,  freezes from disk activity have been common from the start,  and even the lowest ranges of OC most people consider safe are dangerous to try; i...04:51
TiagoTiago...don't think the unit i got was one of the best individuals of the species04:51
TiagoTiago(not the expression i was going for, but i can't remember the exact words right now)04:53
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DocScrutinizerwell, you started with OC which is a warranty for problems by its own as well as you doing other silly thinsg as well. Don't blame device for that05:05
robbiethe1stIf you're OCing, you'd better be tweaking the voltages to your device. If you expect it to work right, anyway.05:05
robbiethe1stUsing a stock OC profile, is, well, asking for trouble. On top of the other potential OC issues.05:06
DocScrutinizeryou better don't even think about OC unless you have a *very* clearly defined need for it05:06
robbiethe1stOr, just remember that it could kill your phone and be OK with that.05:07
DocScrutinizeryou as well shouldn't ponder using any random widget or app you run into, just because it sounds 1733705:07
DocScrutinizerit's always those who OC for no good reason that complain the most about crappy hardware05:08
DocScrutinizerdon't you think there's a more than random correlation?05:08
TiagoTiagoIn the end i couldn't get it to perform any less crapy, and it was never really stable, i didn't leave it OC'd05:08
robbiethe1stI dunno; I've had two random N900s that have OC'd perfectly nicely; no crashes. I'd say it's more because such people can't follow instructions right...05:08
TiagoTiagoIt would get hotter with just plain charging or installing an update anyway, so i don't think that would explain the issues with the keys and the screen surface05:09
DocScrutinizeryou never tried with stock setup. instead you complained about performance (caused by crap you installed or did to device) and tried to fix it by adding more crap on top05:09
TiagoTiagoit was crappy with stock material already05:10
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DocScrutinizerthen your metrics are different than mine, and N900 definitely not the device for you05:10
DocScrutinizerget an iphone!05:10
TiagoTiagoLike i said, it's not the model, it's this unit in specific05:11
DocScrutinizerwhen it was crappy with stock settings already, then WTF did you get it first instance?05:11
robbiethe1stWwell, to be fair, stock settings were pretty bad05:12
TiagoTiagoThe N900 is great, i just got unlucky.05:12
DocScrutinizerthere are no units with crappy performance05:12
DocScrutinizerthis is not a cake that's different each time05:13
damianoI can't oc with smartreflex05:13
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damianomy n900 become unstable05:14
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robbiethe1stsmartreflex is not usable. Period.05:14
DocScrutinizermine even doesn't run at all - when battery empty05:15
damianois it usual?05:15
* DocScrutinizer suspects april's fool trolling at its best05:15
damianoif I remove smartreflex I can reach 1150 without problems but heat and battery05:17
DocScrutinizeris it usual my car doesn't run on gasoil when it's a gasoline type? it doesn't work on gasoil even when I cut up all the tires05:17
robbiethe1stHe's being sarcastic. DocS doesn't like OC05:17
TiagoTiagoDunno, perhaps the luggage handlers threw the bag a bit, or the Sun might've been particularly active during that flight; or simply i i got unlucky and Nokia had a bad batch of components when they were building my unit ('ive seen that happen with other eletronic devices)05:18
damianoah ok05:18
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: so what? this causing watchdog to kick in on lots of reads?? BWAHAHA05:18
DocScrutinizerbad components make things FAIL, not going "crappy performance"05:19
damianodo you think there is a chance to see maemo on new smartphone in the future?05:20
TiagoTiagoBad storage media gradually corrupting one or two bits here and there, bad conduits making some actions run a tad slower etc05:20
robbiethe1stThat being said, ECC(and related technology) is designed to mitigate borderline random issues...05:20
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: that's nonsense05:20
damianoI like maemo I think tizen won't be same thing05:21
TiagoTiagorobbiethe1st: doesn't the performance get degraded a bit when those things spot a mistake?05:21
robbiethe1sta borderline OC'd device can create 'random' issues as one or another borderline voltage just barely turns on a transistor05:21
DocScrutinizertizen already dead05:21
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: that's analog05:21
DocScrutinizerthis however is a mainly digital device05:22
damianobut it isn't born yet...05:22
robbiethe1stAnd a digital device doesn't have those issues? Suuure.05:22
robbiethe1stWhen a CPU's being run at borderline voltages already... which is done to reduce power usage..05:22
TiagoTiagoDigital is just a less smooth analog05:22
DocScrutinizerit won't see gradual decay of performance on those issues. It simply starts to fail completely05:22
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: again BS05:23
DocScrutinizerfor this topic05:23
robbiethe1stThat's true05:23
DocScrutinizerthere's no such thing as slow bits05:24
ShadowJKEven TI says smartreflex is broken and unusable now05:24
TiagoTiagoDidn't a loose cable ''cause scientists to think neutrinos might had been moving faster than the speed of light due to the delays 'caused by the bad connection?05:24
damianoyes here in Italy05:25
robbiethe1stAnd timing can screw up just about anything05:25
DocScrutinizerwell, let alone the delay in the reporter's nerve signal propagation05:25
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DocScrutinizerI recently found a blob of neutrinos between two of the ALU gates in my SoC. Cleaned it out and guess what - my device is twice as fast now05:27
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TiagoTiagoTheir high speed were probably causing some time dilatation effects...05:27
damianoI have a problem with missed calls and I don't know what to do... don't appear in the log05:28
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TiagoTiagoThat, or the time paradoxes were wrecking havoc with the error correction stuff05:29
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DocScrutinizerlisten buddy, there's no error correction anywhere except storage. on read it won't delay things, on write it only will delay *once* then block is marked bad and not used anymore05:30
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damianowhen I receive a call and I don't see it no sign remains of it05:31
DocScrutinizerquite usually (in 99.9999% of cases) an error in digital domain simply causes a segfault or a wrong behaviour of a program, never a delay though05:32
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DocScrutinizerwhen you receive a call and you don't see it then you're not receiving a call05:32
damianoI didn't notice I mean05:33
TiagoTiagoPerhaps the filesystem is readonly and it can't log new calls?05:33
DocScrutinizerif however you mean your missed calls are ringing but not logged then I suggest you clean your eventsdb05:33
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DocScrutinizerit's known to get corrupt eventually05:33
DocScrutinizeroccasionally rather05:33
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DocScrutinizeresp since with corrupt eventsdb you also might miss SMS afaik05:34
damianofilesystem is rw05:34
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damianodo I need to remove it?05:35
DocScrutinizerthere's a couple of threads in tmo that describe how to fix the corruption05:35
DocScrutinizeror you simply delete the whole db and hope for it getting recreated on next usage05:36
DocScrutinizermight or might not work05:36
DocScrutinizermaybe it even helps to delete all those old conversations05:37
DocScrutinizeror you go fancy and use sqlite cli to purge the whole db table05:38
damianoI don't find those threads...05:39
damianoohi ohi05:40
DocScrutinizerwithout checking I think is what you search05:40
damianoI'll try to remove db05:42
DocScrutinizerithout warranty05:43
DocScrutinizeryou might end reflashing05:43
DocScrutinizeror simply restoring prev state via backupmenu (haven't thanked robbiethe1st today for it yet)05:44
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damianono it doesn't resolve05:56
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damianoif I refuse call then it is reported in the log with a green arrow like received ones05:58
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DocScrutinizermay I suggest the 'easy windows solution"? reflash06:07
DocScrutinizerprobably will need a full reflash (combined + vanilla) to clean homedir06:09
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DocScrutinizerstill with a proper set of backup of MyDocs and backup app you'll not lose anything06:10
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Macerwatching the hunger games07:56
Macerit's pretty awesome07:56
Macervery well made movie07:56
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MrPinguSorry about yesterday's mediafire, it used to be good on MicroB, times have changed -.-14:26
MrPinguNew link:
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DocScrutinizerMrPingu: thanks14:32
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jonwil~seen pali18:33
infobotpali is currently on #maemo (2h 44m 29s) #maemo-ssu (2h 44m 29s), last said: 'err, not finite but pushdown automaton'.18:33
Palijonwil, hi18:38
jonwilYou ever hear anything more from the Nokia people?18:39
Palino, nothing18:40
jonwilok :(18:40
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Palijonwil, can you look at cbs widget problem reported in TMO?18:43
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jonwilwhat problem?18:43
Paliit show me @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@18:43
Palisee my post in your tmo thread18:43
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Palimy idea is that this patch should be problem:
Palibut I did not tried compile it yet18:44
jonwilCan you tell me what the output of ls -l /usr/lib/libsms* on the device in question looks like?18:45
PaliI do not have my n900 here18:46
Palibut libsms is correctly patched18:46
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Paliit sometimes show that @@@@@ and sometimes correct cell name18:46
jonwilThe way to tell whats going on is to enable the CBSMS logging and grab logs of when its showing the @ symbols18:47
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Palimy logs was same as that attached by other people in that thread18:48
Paliif you want really my logs, I can attach it to that thread tomorow18:49
jonwilwell I dont know why this is happening, the way works it shouldn't be possible for that to happen18:50
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jonwilMost useful way to find out whats going in would be to packet log the phonet packets being sent for the invalid CBSMS in question18:52
jonwilbut I cant remember how to do that off the top of my head18:52
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jonwilin any case I dont think your patch is the correct fix, the correct fix is to dump the phonet packets and find out exactly what the cbsms phonet packet looks like and then find out why its displaying the @ symbol based on that19:00
jonwilI do know that I was getting the @ symbol before myself and it was caused because somehow (without me knowing) something had screwed up and the symlinks and patches related to had screwed up somehow19:01
jonwilin your case thats not the case because you sometimes get correct output, sometimes now19:01
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* Sicelo thinks about the elections 21:48
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* DocScrutinizer guesses there's again another council election maybe22:01
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DocScrutinizerI wonder if it will be "better" than last one. Last one went unnoticed, I didn't even receive a token or whatever22:02
DocScrutinizerprobably it got cancelled due to number of applicants < number of council seats22:03
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SiceloSD69 really tried22:03
SiceloDocScrutinizer: why don't you run? ;)22:05
ShadowJKno nominations so far22:06
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* Sicelo is relatively new to maemo..22:07
Sicelowhat did previous councils achieve?22:08
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ShadowJKthat's a bit of a weird question22:09
ShadowJKIt's not like there ever was a shortage of people with bright ideas and strong opinions22:10
ShadowJKthere's a shortage of doers :P22:10
Siceloyeah. true that22:11
Sicelowrt elections, CrashandDie says : Frankly, I think this telling. Maybe it's time to consider wrapping things up in a "so long and thanks for all the fish"-kinda way?22:13
ShadowJKWell there's not much of a point with having a council to communicate with Nokia when Nokia is dead :P22:14
ShadowJKBut for sure should be kept up years still for people still using their devices22:15
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Sicelois that something having a council could help in? :/22:16
DocScrutinizerSicelo: not really, unless you consider council an authority that it never was meant to be22:17
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DocScrutinizeror a service provider that it also never been22:18
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DocScrutinizerof course council could decide to accept either or even both roles22:20
DocScrutinizercommunity at large probably won't accept authorities anyway22:21
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DocScrutinizerhell, they blamed me for formerly being a member of Openmoko_the_Inc and still I take care about 'our' server infra. Some guy actually demanded "we" shall give OM to 'the community'22:22
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DocScrutinizercommunity server admin - here's the password. SURE!22:25
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vi__what is the name of the program that displays a picture of the program you are currently loading?22:26
vi__pvr somthing??22:26
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Siceloi do think sometimes we take things too far when it comes to open source and related stuff22:26
vi__Sicelo: ??22:28
DocScrutinizervi__: yeah, sth like that22:28
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Sicelovi__: community at large probably won't accept authorities anyway.. << i was just echoing this comment22:29
vi__DocScrutinizer: can I remove it?22:32
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DocScrutinizervi__: I think it's a function in H-D. You only could comment it out, or neuter it in any other way (e.g. by removing the pvr pictures and setting the dir r/o)22:33
DocScrutinizermere handwaving though22:33
DocScrutinizerbtw iirc it actually needs code in every app using it22:34
DocScrutinizerat least to create the image22:34
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG might know details, he looked closer nto it22:35
vi__it is a waste of precious cpu cycles and the pictures are always out of date.22:35
DocScrutinizeryep, sure22:35
DocScrutinizerand it nags big time22:35
DocScrutinizerI *always* try to scroll down in settings screen before it's actually loaded22:35
DocScrutinizerannoying nonsense22:36
Sicelohmm, what are you talking about?22:37
ShadowJKsplash screen22:38
DocScrutinizerthe pvr thingie, that shows a picture of the app before the app actually starts22:38
ShadowJKshows pic of app before app is loaded22:38
DocScrutinizerintroduced with PR1.2 iirc22:38
DocScrutinizerand I'd think a valid candidate for a CSSU config option "X-CSSU-NO-PVR"22:39
ShadowJKi thought it existed in first version22:39
Sicelowell, i'm possibly blind/dumb.. i don't see it here22:40
DocScrutinizerthen it's actually working for you ;-P22:40
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DocScrutinizere.g in settings screen you might notice some of the menu points pop up or vanish some 2 seconds after the screen initially pops up22:41
DocScrutinizeruntil then what you see was a snapshot, not the real program22:42
ShadowJKDo you see spinning circle in titlebar when you open settings?22:42
Siceloah, now i get you22:42
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Siceloi never knew that was some splashscreen22:42
ShadowJKit's a screenshot of the app22:44
DocScrutinizerI'd honestly prefer the big spinning wheel like it was in early PR version iirc22:46
DocScrutinizeror simply blanking the screen. Some kind of feedback is actually fine though22:47
ShadowJKi don't remember a big spinning wheel22:48
Siceloi suppose they introduced it to fool us noobs -- i understand people complained that N900 apps take long to load. this PVR thing is nice April's fool :D22:48
DocScrutinizerotherwise you try to hit button / icon again, as you don't think it's already working22:48
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Siceloi notice MAG also developed some app to customize the PVR files22:55
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DocScrutinizerI forgot the name, and why I didn't use it though22:57
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DocScrutinizerI think my idea was to automate the editing of those PVR images, to simply blur them or whatever23:00
DocScrutinizerpvrcreator can't probably do that23:00
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DocScrutinizervi__: my TAB gets me pvrsrvinit23:02
vi__so why wont those nemo guys compile a fixed powervr driver for n900 maemo kernel?23:03
DocScrutinizerdoesn't accept --help23:03
vi__DocScrutinizer: exactly whqat i just tried.23:03
vi__another of those nokia cmd bodges that doesnt provide any cmd line help23:04
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vi__ala commandline tool for calander engine.23:05
MrPinguI guess ussd widget =/23:09
vi__is there a legitimate way to emulate middle click with xbindkeys?23:09
MrPinguIs there a way to emulate right click?23:09
vi__for example can xbindkeys detect the press/release of a button23:09
vi__MrPingu: press and hold23:09
ShadowJKvi__; they don't have powervr source?23:13
ShadowJKbesides, it's a bloody pain to make new drivers work on ancient kernels..23:13
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DocScrutinizervi__: it's called in /etc/event.d/sgx:23:14
DocScrutinizerMrPingu: ussd widget?23:15
DocScrutinizerit's a) not Nokia, b) no cmdline tool, c) obsolete23:16
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MrPinguWell ussd widget can't display my creditbalance23:18
MrPinguwhile ussd app does it =/23:18
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MrPinguKeeps saying: click to update so I uninstalled it...23:19
MrPinguAnyway to display credit through qbw?23:19
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DocScrutinizerumm, aah. you want a widget that automatically displays the reply23:22
MrPinguYeah ;)23:23
DocScrutinizerI'd recommend not to do that, it eats large amounts of your battery, by inadvertently sending via cellmo to BTS to inquire the balance23:24
MrPinguvi__ right click doesn't work in chromium in Easy Debian, when holding...23:24
DocScrutinizerfor sure you're better of with a "click to update" approach23:24
DocScrutinizerbetter off even23:25
MrPinguWell I meant, click to update.  I want just to see quickly my left credit23:25
MrPinguWay faster, than phone and dialing *101#23:25
DocScrutinizerI got a contact "balance" with number "*103#" and a shortcut to that contact on my desktop, so it's a matter of two clicks for me to get my balance on demand23:26
MrPinguAnd I sometimes forget to check xD23:26
MrPinguLike today, thought of calling someone to pick me up23:26
MrPinguno credit left...23:26
MrPinguYep, long way home :P23:27
DocScrutinizerdoing the query at random is no sensible approach23:27
DocScrutinizerand usually your provider offers a service to remind you with an SMS when your balance drops below some particular amount23:28
DocScrutinizermine does at least23:28
MrPinguYes they do, but that's when I still have 500 SMS left -.-23:28
DocScrutinizeryou forgetting to check is a problem that's impossible to solve23:28
MrPinguYes but a desktop widget would help reminding me ;)23:29
DocScrutinizerthen check once a day?23:29
MrPinguNeed to get that in my daily routine then...23:30
DocScrutinizerthere's e.g. alarmed for that23:30
DocScrutinizerand probably queenbeecon can also do that23:30
gulysomeone written an app for vodafone italy23:31
gulymaybe you can take it and modify to suite your operator23:31
gulyit needs internet connectivity someway23:31
DocScrutinizerif both fails, you can do a script that returns the cached value, just once a day updates cache by inquiry23:31
MrPinguProbably beyond my skill23:32
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe not beyonf mine23:32
DocScrutinizerif you're lucky I'll come up with a threeliner in a few minutes or hours23:32
MrPinguThe best way is, I think just be learn from this incident23:32
MrPinguYeah, nice grammar MrPingu23:33
gulyanyway it shouldn't be hard to script smssend/sms-manager23:33
MrPinguAnd tomorrow I have oral exam english :P gonna be fine... xD23:34
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gulyi'd prefer something like this than using a colorful widget :)23:34
MrPinguGuly, it's not a SMS23:34
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DocScrutinizerthe thingie that starhash-enabler tackles23:35
DocScrutinizernot exactly but almost23:35
MrPinguBattery running empty, just go on I will read the log when I miss something. Hope I will be back soon...23:36
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DocScrutinizerI bet your battery runs empty, when you check your balance every 30s ;-P23:36
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MrPinguIf I did, I could be home  a lot earlier today :P23:37
MrPinguSometimes you need to "feel" your stupidness23:38
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DocScrutinizerhey here we got 0800 numbers to place R-calls23:39
DocScrutinizerwon't charge your battery though ;-D23:39
MrPingu:P Ahah where do you live, if I may ask?23:39
DocScrutinizersometimes at Germany23:40
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MrPinguach so, ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch aber nicht so gut =P23:41
DocScrutinizerbut my provider is really nasty, if my balance is at zero, I mustn't even do free calls23:41
DocScrutinizerich auch ;-D23:41
DocScrutinizeranyway Iprefer English on IRC23:42
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MrPinguMe too, so everybody can read what we are saying23:42
MrPinguI just remember we have a service SMS 0808 <phonenumber of friend>23:43
DocScrutinizersince most of my conversation is been via IRC for the last 5 or so years, I tend to prefer English even for monologues ;-D23:43
MrPinguand your friend will get a SMS, Please call me back, I have run out of credit...23:44
DocScrutinizerso I gather you either pay for inbound SMS (= USA), or this service is absolutely rogue and collects numbers for spamming23:45
MrPinguI prefer english too, I mean as soon as I am conversating for about 5 minutes my whole mind switches to english and I start even thinking in english :P23:45
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MrPinguProbably the last xD However never received spam and my lil bro send me lots of these SMS'es23:46
MrPinguand I can't remember it touched my credit either when I received them...23:47
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MrPinguHowever, I tend to neglect checking credit23:48
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DocScrutinizerwell, here you don't pay for nbound SMS or calls. But those 0800 R-call services charge your carrier for so called termination-fee23:48
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DocScrutinizerwhile they are charged by sender's carrier for the inbound 0800 call23:49
MohammadAGvi__: It's in hildon-desktop's code, the method is called an API in libhildon23:49
MohammadAGYou can simply comment out the code23:49
MohammadAGGrep for .cache23:49
DocScrutinizerseems the balance is positive23:49
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: o/23:50
Timmywhere can i set the fonts of maemo to be in italic mode? ive used theme customizer to customize my fonts but it doesnt have any option to set italic mode23:50
MohammadAGPVR creator was when my coding sucked, it's a butchered fMMS GUI23:50
MohammadAGThanks to frals for that23:50
MohammadAGo/ DocScrutinizer23:51
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MohammadAGI see the N9 can be overclocked now, let's see if polycarbonate melts before heat protection kicks in23:51
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MrPinguHello, I am back23:53
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: polycarbonate doesn't melt at all, basically23:53
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: Kinda have doubts it's 100% Polycarbonate23:54
MohammadAGWhat's the short name for that?23:54
DocScrutinizerthat's one of the reasons it's used for vending machines23:54
DocScrutinizerpvc is ployvinylchloride23:54
MrPinguPolyVinylChloride  isn't poly carbonate23:54
MohammadAGThought they were the same actually23:55
MrPingudoh, you were faster.23:55
MohammadAGHe didn't capitalize the first letter each initial standed for23:55
MrPinguWell they have in common they exists of lots of C atoms23:55
MohammadAGYou get extra points for that, it's a tie23:55
MohammadAGI'm aware of that, chemistry in high school teaches you stuff you know :p23:55
MrPinguTomorrow having a test about it :P23:56
MrPinguJust came here to relax before I go to bed xD23:56
MohammadAGWhat's C10H22? Draw its structural formula23:56
MohammadAGJust revising for him23:57
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* DocScrutinizer wonders what might be c10h2223:57
MohammadAGTo stay on topic, draw it in ASCII23:57
MohammadAGHave fun23:57
MohammadAGSome alkane23:58
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DocScrutinizer HHHHHHHHHH23:58
DocScrutinizer HHHHHHHHHH23:58
MrPinguDocScrutinizer get the points I guess23:59

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