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Sazpaimoncan mtd2 be zeroed out somehow?02:53
Sazpaimoni want to get a fresh log02:53
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happymonkeyI have a quandary.  My screen on my N900 died a few days ago.  Should I purchase a new screen or a new device?03:29
happymonkeyIt looks like a new screen goes for ~$50?  A new device I don't know at all because I'm a T-mobile customer and well paying for the galaxy note without 3g is difficult, Galaxy Nexus doesn't have an sd card, galaxy s2 for T-mobile is likely to stay in 2.3 land for quite some time03:31
happymonkeybut really that doesn't matter because all of these phones are at the least ~$500.03:31
happymonkeyAny advice?03:31
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`0660buy a used n900? :)03:44
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robbiethe1stI'd go for a new screen.03:45
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happymonkeyrobbiethe1st: I now think I may have misspoke about the $50 I think I will likely need a new digitizer which is and extra $35, but I think you are right, this device might be 2.5-3 years old it's still years beyond what android can do03:56
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happymonkeymaybe not years but a year03:57
Hurrian|ps3meh, screen on the n900 is easy to replace03:59
Hurrian|ps3you have the slider brackets, then the back of the screen, then the digitizer04:00
happymonkeyhow do I know if I need a new digitizer?04:00
happymonkeyI guess I won't, so I better get it at the same time?04:01
happymonkeyunless I'm trying to save a few bucks, correct?04:01
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happymonkeyHurrian|ps3: what tools will I need?04:01
happymonkeyI just moved so I'll have to get everything to repair it, I suspect a couple of screwdrivers?04:02
happymonkeywhat else?04:02
Hurrian|ps3torx set04:03
Hurrian|ps3and a + screwdriver04:03
Hurrian|ps3and long nails04:03
Hurrian|ps3you only need a new digitizer if touches dont work04:03
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happymonkeyright, but I won't know until the new screen is in and I want to get to the phone as soon as possible rather than waiting two week for a new screen and then two weeks for a digitizer04:05
happymonkeyit's fine04:05
happymonkeyI can see for $20 so it's not that much more04:05
happymonkeythe whole project will cost < $100.04:06
happymonkey- I'm a silly American04:06
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Hurrian|ps3if you're wailing about the terrible battery life on the n900, a double battery plus a touchstone goes a long way04:08
happymonkeyI've already invested :)04:09
happymonkey+ charger04:09
Hurrian|ps3i have USB port use on my N900s at an all-time minimum04:10
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Hurrian|ps3recovery os plus script on u-boot for reflashing, multiple OSes to fix bad config files, wireless charging, large batteries04:11
happymonkeysweet I just found my previous phone - a G1 - so I'll have a nice phone to use while waiting on repairing a way better one :)04:11
Hurrian|ps3it's only a phone on newer Android versions04:12
Hurrian|ps3post 2.0, performance is dead04:13
happymonkeyya, the n900 is what I've grown so used to04:13
Hurrian|ps3i really just want more performance on the n90004:13
Hurrian|ps3not even screen size/storage/etc04:13
happymonkeyI want to transfer a file, no problem, rsync, scp over bluetooth, wifi, etc. etc. just awesome04:13
happymonkeyright, I with you04:14
Hurrian|ps3if we can do it faster, with less swap contention and watchdog reboots, it's a device i'd keep for life04:14
happymonkeyHurrian|ps3: thank you for talking me into doing the right thing04:14
Hurrian|ps3preserving these rare things is the right thing to do ;)04:14
Hurrian|ps3as tmo people have said again and again, no big company is going to be selling omap dev boards rebadged as phones again anytime soon04:15
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robbiethe1stWell, you can always OC your N900 - take it up to about 1ghz. If you adjust the profile, get it stable? It'll last 'long enough'.04:16
happymonkeyya I used to get angry at the closed source parts of the kernel, but really this is one of the most open and useful devices around04:16
robbiethe1stAs in a over a year.04:16
Hurrian|ps3at 1ghz, you give up SR04:17
Hurrian|ps3and tbh, i didn't notice a huge difference between 600 and 805 max04:17
happymonkeyand not dual core04:17
Hurrian|ps3especially during io-bound workloads, where the n900 shits itself04:17
robbiethe1stYes. There's a couple of ways around that; some scheduling stuff04:18
happymonkeybut well there swapolube04:18
robbiethe1stBut OC + swappolube...04:18
happymonkeyya and the kernel scheduler04:18
Hurrian|ps3meh, it's inherently slow because of the ~class 4 eMMC inside04:18
robbiethe1stAnd PK, and... Yeah. Enough mods and you can have a nice device.04:18
happymonkeyeh, it's good, just well not an iPhone 4s04:18
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happymonkeyI don't mean an iPhone in anything other than hardware specs04:19
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happymonkeyoops, I shouldn't have used that word04:22
happymonkeyis this just the digitizer or both digitizer and lcd ?
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robbiethe1stdigitizer only04:27
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happymonkeydarn that's xpensive04:34
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Sazpaimondoes mtdoops log all kernel messages or just the ones from a panic/oops05:16
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LaoLang_coolhi, how to copy a whole conversation of a contact?06:56
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psychologeMy N900 used 3G connect,i want use internet PC ssh login My N900,how to do that? sorry my bad english,07:50
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TORcruzerSo, btctl is not working.. Is this just me or is something broken ?08:21
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TORcruzershould I install a newer version of kernel-power ?08:22
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DocScrutinizerhappymonkey: what's wrong with your screen? odds are it's not the LCD at all when screen fails. Often it's the flex cable09:03
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DocScrutinizerhappymonkey: use AV-cable and TV to check at least digitizer09:07
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DocScrutinizerhappymonkey: what closed parts in kernel? not on maemo, really. And for digitizer prices: I've seen them for 25 bucks as well09:11
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r00t|homeLaoLang_cool: /home/user/.rtcomm-eventlogger/el-v1.db (sqlite database)09:23
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DocScrutinizerfor those who are still there and also interested in digitizers: the transparent thing in front of the LCD (that usually takes the scratches over time) is either "a digitizer" or "a touchpanel", which are equivalent terms09:30
DocScrutinizer"touch scren" is not exactly precise here, usually you call the LCD+digitizer combo a touchscreen09:32
DocScrutinizeror even s/LCD/display/09:33
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TORcruzerSo It seems that the Kernel-Power dose not have Network Bridgeing enabled13:05
TORcruzerbrctl: SIOCGIFBR: Package not installed13:05
TORcruzerIs this a problem with my system OR is this true on all Maemo N900's ?13:06
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TORcruzerThe Error is missleading. There is no "Package" bridge-utils is installed with Busybox-Power13:07
TORcruzerI need the Kernel to be recopiled with Network Bridging13:07
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ShadowJKsecond hand n900 arrived \o/21:17
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ShadowJKthe previous owner didn't quite wipe it21:18
Vib3some nice photos? :p21:19
Vib3damn my n900 is stucked in boot loop suddenly..21:19
Vib3I might have updated power kernel, not sure21:19
merlin1991what did you do? oO21:20
Vib3don't know..21:20
Vib3suddenly happened when rebooted, worked fine yesterday21:20
ShadowJKinteresting mix of apps; BlessN900, Como Llego, Docs To Go, DOSBox, EvilAlarm, FaceBrick, Fahrplan, fAPN, ForecaWeather, gpodder, Hermes. MaeGirls, Mappero, Marhythm, Mediabox, Mirage, Mirror, OpenTTD, Opera, Quiver, SleepPy, WifiEye, Angry Birds, Bus Catcher, Deinstall kernel, Earth, firefox, geeps, gweled, mobile hotspot, Moviefinder, N900Ftp, Nitdroid installer, omweather, Shariks, tuxrace, Zouba, cutetube, @scene21:21
ShadowJKNo pics other than what's pulled in by gpodder, no music, no videos21:23
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: ???21:23
DocScrutinizerVib3: either you messed up Ur kernel, or filled up your rootfs 100%21:24
merlin1991nothign a flash can't fix ;)21:24
infobotmerlin1991 meant: nothing a flash can't fix ;)21:24
DocScrutinizeractually nothing a rescue system couldn't fix21:24
merlin1991that aswell :)21:25
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer; just trying to profile the previous owner based on his app selection :)21:25
Vib3didn't got it backupped yet..21:25
Vib3hmm trying to flash it then21:27
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SiceloShadowJK: looks more like previous owner was installing everything out there, for an Android feel..`many apps`21:34
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: HAH21:35
DocScrutinizeryou also got yourself a spareparts kit? ;-D21:35
DocScrutinizerVib3: don't flash eMMC21:36
DocScrutinizerjust rootfs aka COMBINED21:36
DocScrutinizerodds are you're mot losing anything21:36
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Vib3k, so using -R then21:39
ShadowJKScreen is surprisingly good for not having protector21:39
DocScrutinizermy sparecrap's LCD is damaged beyonf repair21:40
DocScrutinizercheckered cow21:41
DocScrutinizerlots of bright spots21:41
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DocScrutinizerblacksmith syndrome21:41
* DocScrutinizer just wonders what's causing these bright blotches21:42
DocScrutinizerloghtspreader damaged?21:43
DocScrutinizerlight* even21:43
Vib3pressure :p21:43
DocScrutinizeror electrode structure on glass damaged?21:43
Vib3you have pressed screen too hard21:43
DocScrutinizeryes, pressure21:44
DocScrutinizerblacksmith syndrome21:44
DocScrutinizeror call it Schwarzenegger syndrome21:44
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DocScrutinizerbut what's damaged?21:45
DocScrutinizeralso this friggin spareparts coffin charging battery since >2 days now21:46
DocScrutinizerof course it's "green"21:46
DocScrutinizerbut it never stopped drawing current from USB21:46
DocScrutinizerconstantly ~1ßßmA21:47
DocScrutinizermaybe 8021:47
happymonkeyoh no beta beta mili amps that sounds dangerous21:47
happymonkeysorry to hear21:47
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer; with normal kernel, minimum power use with charger attached is about 80mA21:49
happymonkeysorry for being a douche21:49
ShadowJKSo battery is probably floating at slightly below 4.2V 0mA, and the power is going to musb21:50
villagerDocScrutinizer: on the device of mine that used to have those bright spots (before the lcd completely tore apart), I seemed to notice that the bright areas seemed to coincide with the areas of the battery/motherboard/whatever that tended to get hottest, not sure if that means anything21:51
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: hell, why don't I see this crap on my daily with stock kernel?21:52
villagerso perhaps it's caused by thermal expansion?21:52
DocScrutinizer^^^ @ ShadowJK21:53
DocScrutinizervillager: nah, this appears on definitely cold device. Thanks for mentioning it though, might be another cause of similar effects21:54
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DocScrutinizerI suspect some misalignment between pixels in LCD and color filter21:55
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villagerDocScrutinizer: well, I mean that the damage is caused by heat, not the effect itself... the spots themselves would then just be a symptom of irrepairable damage21:55
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villagerDocScrutinizer: but perhaps you're talking about a different kind of bright spots?21:56
DocScrutinizernope, I'm sure we'Re talking about same symptom21:56
DocScrutinizerlike you covered whole screen with a slightly greyish varnish, and polished that away on some spots with a cloth21:57
DocScrutinizerrather cloudy appearance21:58
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DocScrutinizerdiameters of 10..15mm21:58
DocScrutinizermaybe 2021:58
DocScrutinizerno sharp edges21:58
DocScrutinizeractually you can't tell where it starts21:59
DocScrutinizerbut you know where's the center21:59
DocScrutinizerof each blurb21:59
villagerDocScrutinizer: like, say, this one?
DocScrutinizermy daily got one minor such one22:00
DocScrutinizeryes, exactly22:00
DocScrutinizerthis crap got ~9 of those22:00
DocScrutinizermaybe 1222:00
DocScrutinizerand bigger than those on photo22:00
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DocScrutinizerthe one on my daily definitely not caused by heat, but prolly by an "accident" (me kicking some obstacle with holster with N900 inside)22:02
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villagerokay... I only had 2 or 3, I think... then I guess some additional stress (from dropping the device on the floor) finally caused the lcd layer to rip apart...22:03
DocScrutinizercould be spacers inside LCD that get damaged22:04
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DocScrutinizeriirc those LCD have spacer plastic balls or sth like that - transparent plastic22:04
DocScrutinizerprolly too small to see them behind the color filter22:05
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DocScrutinizerbut definitely will change optics when flattened22:05
villagergood thing I have a spare n900, but I should think of repairing that one someday22:06
DocScrutinizerLC film gets thinner, area with no LC at all gets larger perdentage of total area22:06
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: LC film gets thinner, area with no LC at all gets larger percentage of total area22:06
DocScrutinizerboth effects could result in bright spot22:07
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merlin1991what's the mass storage sh again?22:17
merlin1991hm I got no connectivity and no kernel modules on device, wat do?22:20
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merlin1991flashing nokia kernel would be an option I guess :/22:20
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merlin1991stufu flasher22:25
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merlin1991how's the x86 compatability package called again?22:26
merlin1991ia32-libs in case anybody wonders22:30
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, I thought you didn't use stock kernel23:08
DocScrutinizerLinux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown23:09
ShadowJKiirc it was one of Nokia's modifications to PR1.2 or PR1.3 that caused it, it was removed in pk during the hostmode stuff.23:09
DocScrutinizeraaah well, maybe I never checked what my IroN900 is doing23:10
DocScrutinizerLinux t900 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown23:10
DocScrutinizerthis one behaves, but has KP23:11
* ShadowJK has stock kernel, but using charge script with charge-termination threshold set 100mA higher to account for the extra drain23:11
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DocScrutinizerMEH, t900 acts up. next to inaudible system tones, no way to close thumbnails in taskswitcher screen23:14
ShadowJKtouchscreen cal?23:15
ShadowJKcan system tones be boosted in Settings - Profile ?23:15
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DocScrutinizernope, just set to 0,1, 223:17
DocScrutinizermediaplayer works23:17
DocScrutinizerts-click not23:18
DocScrutinizerkbd-click not23:18
DocScrutinizercharger-plugged "swoosh" works23:18
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DocScrutinizert900:~# uptime23:19
DocScrutinizer 22:23:52 up 112 days, 13:16, load average: 0.21, 0.30, 0.1323:19
DocScrutinizert900:~# free23:20
DocScrutinizer              total         used         free       shared      buffers23:20
DocScrutinizer  Mem:       245404       211572        33832            0         146423:20
DocScrutinizer Swap:       786424        85240       70118423:20
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DocScrutinizerhmm, killed PA and mafw(wrapper)23:26
DocScrutinizerno change23:26
ShadowJKWhich figure would you want to change?23:27
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DocScrutinizerthe low sound :-)23:27
DocScrutinizerkill mce?23:28
ShadowJKmicroscope on the speaker grille? :-)23:29
* DocScrutinizer glares at /usr/bin/maemo-xinput-sounds23:30
DocScrutinizermeh, no way to leave taskswitcher by clicking background23:33
DocScrutinizerooh, after 10s it works23:33
DocScrutinizerI guess this thing needs a REBOOT ;-P23:34
DocScrutinizeractually atm it's the device with highest uptime here at home23:35
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: so if you want to cat some /proc or /sys before I reboot... hurry!23:36
ShadowJKit probably fragmented swap pretty bad after 112 days :P23:36
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DocScrutinizerhardly, with only 82M swap used at all23:37
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DocScrutinizerlemme try sth23:38
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DocScrutinizermhm, killing browserd freed up 11M of swap23:40
DocScrutinizerwow, even closing thimbnails works after 10s of trying23:41
DocScrutinizer 9570   984 user      20   0   98M  8744  5992 S  0.0  3.6  1:18.45 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop23:42
DocScrutinizer98M shared mem23:42
DocScrutinizerHAH, killing it beats down swap to 57M23:44
DocScrutinizerMem:239M used:135M buffers:9M cache:90M23:44
DocScrutinizernow swapoff && sleep 2 and swapon  ;-D23:45
DocScrutinizert900:~#  swapoff -a;  swapon -a23:47
DocScrutinizert900:~# free23:47
DocScrutinizer              total         used         free       shared      buffers23:47
DocScrutinizer  Mem:       245404       212476        32928            0         925223:47
DocScrutinizer Swap:       786424            0       78642423:47
DocScrutinizerTotal:      1031828       212476       81935223:47
DocScrutinizerof curse still no system sounds, but rather snappy desktop :-)23:48
ShadowJKit can fragment swap even with 10M used :P23:48
ShadowJKover time23:49
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DocScrutinizernot now23:49
ShadowJKNot if you rebooted23:49
DocScrutinizereven after swapoff; swapon ?23:49
ShadowJKthat clears it up :P23:50
ShadowJKbtw, about the swap used number, if some memory is swapped out, and then swapped back in again, it stays counted as swap used23:50
ShadowJKeven if it's in ram23:51
DocScrutinizeranyway killing H-D was a good thing23:51
DocScrutinizerI should set up an alarmed job for it ;-P23:52
DocScrutinizersome yellow notifier popped up: "due to memory low condition, this task has temporarily been suspended" ;-)23:53
DocScrutinizerI guess during swapoff23:53
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ShadowJKthere's a thing that attempts to close apps before you run out of ram23:54
DocScrutinizeror H-D itself23:54
ShadowJKNo it's before oom23:54
DocScrutinizerI think I ran into it when investigating that X-PRELOAD thingie in .desktop23:55
ShadowJKkernel sends a signal when memory is getting low, maemo tries to act on that23:55
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DocScrutinizerBWAHAHA it suddenly found 48 new mails23:56
DocScrutinizerhmmm :-(23:57
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DocScrutinizerclosing thumbnails still is "not working"23:57

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