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| Sazpaimon | can mtd2 be zeroed out somehow? | 02:53 |
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| Sazpaimon | i want to get a fresh log | 02:53 |
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| happymonkey | I have a quandary. My screen on my N900 died a few days ago. Should I purchase a new screen or a new device? | 03:29 |
| happymonkey | It looks like a new screen goes for ~$50? A new device I don't know at all because I'm a T-mobile customer and well paying for the galaxy note without 3g is difficult, Galaxy Nexus doesn't have an sd card, galaxy s2 for T-mobile is likely to stay in 2.3 land for quite some time | 03:31 |
| happymonkey | but really that doesn't matter because all of these phones are at the least ~$500. | 03:31 |
| happymonkey | Any advice? | 03:31 |
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| `0660 | buy a used n900? :) | 03:44 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'd go for a new screen. | 03:45 |
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| happymonkey | robbiethe1st: I now think I may have misspoke about the $50 I think I will likely need a new digitizer which is and extra $35, but I think you are right, this device might be 2.5-3 years old it's still years beyond what android can do | 03:56 |
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| happymonkey | maybe not years but a year | 03:57 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | meh, screen on the n900 is easy to replace | 03:59 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | you have the slider brackets, then the back of the screen, then the digitizer | 04:00 |
| happymonkey | how do I know if I need a new digitizer? | 04:00 |
| happymonkey | I guess I won't, so I better get it at the same time? | 04:01 |
| happymonkey | unless I'm trying to save a few bucks, correct? | 04:01 |
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| happymonkey | Hurrian|ps3: what tools will I need? | 04:01 |
| happymonkey | I just moved so I'll have to get everything to repair it, I suspect a couple of screwdrivers? | 04:02 |
| happymonkey | what else? | 04:02 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | torx set | 04:03 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | and a + screwdriver | 04:03 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | and long nails | 04:03 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | you only need a new digitizer if touches dont work | 04:03 |
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| happymonkey | right, but I won't know until the new screen is in and I want to get to the phone as soon as possible rather than waiting two week for a new screen and then two weeks for a digitizer | 04:05 |
| happymonkey | it's fine | 04:05 |
| happymonkey | I can see http://www.ecrater.com/p/11504645/nokia-n900-touch-screen-digitizer for $20 so it's not that much more | 04:05 |
| happymonkey | the whole project will cost < $100. | 04:06 |
| happymonkey | - I'm a silly American | 04:06 |
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| Hurrian|ps3 | if you're wailing about the terrible battery life on the n900, a double battery plus a touchstone goes a long way | 04:08 |
| happymonkey | I've already invested :) | 04:09 |
| happymonkey | + charger | 04:09 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | i have USB port use on my N900s at an all-time minimum | 04:10 |
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| Hurrian|ps3 | recovery os plus script on u-boot for reflashing, multiple OSes to fix bad config files, wireless charging, large batteries | 04:11 |
| happymonkey | sweet I just found my previous phone - a G1 - so I'll have a nice phone to use while waiting on repairing a way better one :) | 04:11 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | it's only a phone on newer Android versions | 04:12 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | post 2.0, performance is dead | 04:13 |
| happymonkey | ya, the n900 is what I've grown so used to | 04:13 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | i really just want more performance on the n900 | 04:13 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | not even screen size/storage/etc | 04:13 |
| happymonkey | I want to transfer a file, no problem, rsync, scp over bluetooth, wifi, etc. etc. just awesome | 04:13 |
| happymonkey | right, I with you | 04:14 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | if we can do it faster, with less swap contention and watchdog reboots, it's a device i'd keep for life | 04:14 |
| happymonkey | Hurrian|ps3: thank you for talking me into doing the right thing | 04:14 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | preserving these rare things is the right thing to do ;) | 04:14 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | as tmo people have said again and again, no big company is going to be selling omap dev boards rebadged as phones again anytime soon | 04:15 |
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| robbiethe1st | Well, you can always OC your N900 - take it up to about 1ghz. If you adjust the profile, get it stable? It'll last 'long enough'. | 04:16 |
| happymonkey | ya I used to get angry at the closed source parts of the kernel, but really this is one of the most open and useful devices around | 04:16 |
| robbiethe1st | As in a over a year. | 04:16 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | at 1ghz, you give up SR | 04:17 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | and tbh, i didn't notice a huge difference between 600 and 805 max | 04:17 |
| happymonkey | and not dual core | 04:17 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | especially during io-bound workloads, where the n900 shits itself | 04:17 |
| happymonkey | true | 04:17 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. There's a couple of ways around that; some scheduling stuff | 04:18 |
| happymonkey | but well there swapolube | 04:18 |
| robbiethe1st | But OC + swappolube... | 04:18 |
| happymonkey | ya and the kernel scheduler | 04:18 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | meh, it's inherently slow because of the ~class 4 eMMC inside | 04:18 |
| robbiethe1st | And PK, and... Yeah. Enough mods and you can have a nice device. | 04:18 |
| happymonkey | eh, it's good, just well not an iPhone 4s | 04:18 |
| Hurrian|ps3 | g2g | 04:19 |
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| happymonkey | I don't mean an iPhone in anything other than hardware specs | 04:19 |
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| happymonkey | oops, I shouldn't have used that word | 04:22 |
| happymonkey | is this just the digitizer or both digitizer and lcd ? http://www.lingosbox.com/original-brand-new-nokia-n900-digitizer-touch-screen-replacement.html | 04:25 |
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| robbiethe1st | digitizer only | 04:27 |
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| happymonkey | darn that's xpensive | 04:34 |
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| LaoLang_cool | hi, how to copy a whole conversation of a contact? | 06:56 |
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| psychologe | My N900 used 3G connect,i want use internet PC ssh login My N900,how to do that? sorry my bad english, | 07:50 |
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| psychologe | tech.it168.com/a2009/0907/675/000000675217_1.shtml 大伙给看看，关于让外网访问手机，怎么才能建一个这样网关 | 08:07 |
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| TORcruzer | So, btctl is not working.. Is this just me or is something broken ? | 08:21 |
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| TORcruzer | should I install a newer version of kernel-power ? | 08:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | happymonkey: what's wrong with your screen? odds are it's not the LCD at all when screen fails. Often it's the flex cable | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | happymonkey: use AV-cable and TV to check at least digitizer | 09:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | happymonkey: what closed parts in kernel? not on maemo, really. And for digitizer prices: I've seen them for 25 bucks as well | 09:11 |
| CodenameStrike-N | Digitizers? | 09:11 |
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| r00t|home | LaoLang_cool: /home/user/.rtcomm-eventlogger/el-v1.db (sqlite database) | 09:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | codename? | 09:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for those who are still there and also interested in digitizers: the transparent thing in front of the LCD (that usually takes the scratches over time) is either "a digitizer" or "a touchpanel", which are equivalent terms | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.lingosbox.com/original-brand-new-nokia-n900-digitizer-touch-screen-replacement.html | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | "touch scren" is not exactly precise here, usually you call the LCD+digitizer combo a touchscreen | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even s/LCD/display/ | 09:33 |
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| TORcruzer | So It seems that the Kernel-Power dose not have Network Bridgeing enabled | 13:05 |
| TORcruzer | brctl: SIOCGIFBR: Package not installed | 13:05 |
| TORcruzer | Is this a problem with my system OR is this true on all Maemo N900's ? | 13:06 |
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| TORcruzer | The Error is missleading. There is no "Package" bridge-utils is installed with Busybox-Power | 13:07 |
| TORcruzer | I need the Kernel to be recopiled with Network Bridging | 13:07 |
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| ShadowJK | second hand n900 arrived \o/ | 21:17 |
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| Vib3 | nice | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | the previous owner didn't quite wipe it | 21:18 |
| Vib3 | some nice photos? :p | 21:19 |
| merlin1991 | pr0n? | 21:19 |
| Vib3 | damn my n900 is stucked in boot loop suddenly.. | 21:19 |
| Vib3 | I might have updated power kernel, not sure | 21:19 |
| merlin1991 | what did you do? oO | 21:20 |
| Vib3 | don't know.. | 21:20 |
| Vib3 | suddenly happened when rebooted, worked fine yesterday | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | interesting mix of apps; BlessN900, Como Llego, Docs To Go, DOSBox, EvilAlarm, FaceBrick, Fahrplan, fAPN, ForecaWeather, gpodder, Hermes. MaeGirls, Mappero, Marhythm, Mediabox, Mirage, Mirror, OpenTTD, Opera, Quiver, SleepPy, WifiEye, Angry Birds, Bus Catcher, Deinstall kernel, Earth, firefox, geeps, gweled, mobile hotspot, Moviefinder, N900Ftp, Nitdroid installer, omweather, Shariks, tuxrace, Zouba, cutetube, @scene | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | No pics other than what's pulled in by gpodder, no music, no videos | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ??? | 21:23 |
| Vib3 | fuck.. | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Vib3: either you messed up Ur kernel, or filled up your rootfs 100% | 21:24 |
| merlin1991 | nothign a flash can't fix ;) | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 21:24 |
| merlin1991 | s/nothign/nothing/ | 21:24 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: nothing a flash can't fix ;) | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually nothing a rescue system couldn't fix | 21:24 |
| merlin1991 | that aswell :) | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; just trying to profile the previous owner based on his app selection :) | 21:25 |
| Vib3 | didn't got it backupped yet.. | 21:25 |
| Vib3 | hmm trying to flash it then | 21:27 |
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| Sicelo | ShadowJK: looks more like previous owner was installing everything out there, for an Android feel..`many apps` | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: HAH | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also got yourself a spareparts kit? ;-D | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Vib3: don't flash eMMC | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | just rootfs aka COMBINED | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are you're mot losing anything | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | not* | 21:36 |
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| Vib3 | k, so using -R then | 21:39 |
| ShadowJK | Screen is surprisingly good for not having protector | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | my sparecrap's LCD is damaged beyonf repair | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | checkered cow | 21:41 |
| ShadowJK | ow | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lots of bright spots | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blacksmith syndrome | 21:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer just wonders what's causing these bright blotches | 21:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | loghtspreader damaged? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | light* even | 21:43 |
| Vib3 | pressure :p | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | or electrode structure on glass damaged? | 21:43 |
| Vib3 | you have pressed screen too hard | 21:43 |
| Vib3 | dunno | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, pressure | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | blacksmith syndrome | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or call it Schwarzenegger syndrome | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but what's damaged? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | also this friggin spareparts coffin charging battery since >2 days now | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course it's "green" | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it never stopped drawing current from USB | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | constantly ~1ßßmA | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100 | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe 80 | 21:47 |
| happymonkey | oh no beta beta mili amps that sounds dangerous | 21:47 |
| happymonkey | sorry to hear | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; with normal kernel, minimum power use with charger attached is about 80mA | 21:49 |
| happymonkey | sorry for being a douche | 21:49 |
| ShadowJK | So battery is probably floating at slightly below 4.2V 0mA, and the power is going to musb | 21:50 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: on the device of mine that used to have those bright spots (before the lcd completely tore apart), I seemed to notice that the bright areas seemed to coincide with the areas of the battery/motherboard/whatever that tended to get hottest, not sure if that means anything | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: hell, why don't I see this crap on my daily with stock kernel? | 21:52 |
| villager | so perhaps it's caused by thermal expansion? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^^ @ ShadowJK | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | villager: nah, this appears on definitely cold device. Thanks for mentioning it though, might be another cause of similar effects | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I suspect some misalignment between pixels in LCD and color filter | 21:55 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: well, I mean that the damage is caused by heat, not the effect itself... the spots themselves would then just be a symptom of irrepairable damage | 21:55 |
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| villager | DocScrutinizer: but perhaps you're talking about a different kind of bright spots? | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, I'm sure we'Re talking about same symptom | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | like you covered whole screen with a slightly greyish varnish, and polished that away on some spots with a cloth | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather cloudy appearance | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | diameters of 10..15mm | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe 20 | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | no sharp edges | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually you can't tell where it starts | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you know where's the center | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | of each blurb | 21:59 |
| villager | DocScrutinizer: like, say, this one? http://smartestmobile.com/Nokia_n900_Two_Bright_Spots.jpg | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | my daily got one minor such one | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | this crap got ~9 of those | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe 12 | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and bigger than those on photo | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the one on my daily definitely not caused by heat, but prolly by an "accident" (me kicking some obstacle with holster with N900 inside) | 22:02 |
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| villager | okay... I only had 2 or 3, I think... then I guess some additional stress (from dropping the device on the floor) finally caused the lcd layer to rip apart... | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | could be spacers inside LCD that get damaged | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc those LCD have spacer plastic balls or sth like that - transparent plastic | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly too small to see them behind the color filter | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but definitely will change optics when flattened | 22:05 |
| villager | good thing I have a spare n900, but I should think of repairing that one someday | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | LC film gets thinner, area with no LC at all gets larger perdentage of total area | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/perd/perc/ | 22:06 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: LC film gets thinner, area with no LC at all gets larger percentage of total area | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | both effects could result in bright spot | 22:07 |
| villager | hmm | 22:09 |
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| merlin1991 | what's the mass storage sh again? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 22:19 |
| merlin1991 | osso-usb-mass-storag-enable.sh | 22:19 |
| merlin1991 | hm I got no connectivity and no kernel modules on device, wat do? | 22:20 |
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| merlin1991 | flashing nokia kernel would be an option I guess :/ | 22:20 |
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| merlin1991 | stufu flasher | 22:25 |
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| merlin1991 | how's the x86 compatability package called again? | 22:26 |
| merlin1991 | ia32-libs in case anybody wonders | 22:30 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I thought you didn't use stock kernel | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | iirc it was one of Nokia's modifications to PR1.2 or PR1.3 that caused it, it was removed in pk during the hostmode stuff. | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah well, maybe I never checked what my IroN900 is doing | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Linux t900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | this one behaves, but has KP | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | pk | 23:11 |
| * ShadowJK has stock kernel, but using charge script with charge-termination threshold set 100mA higher to account for the extra drain | 23:11 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | MEH, t900 acts up. next to inaudible system tones, no way to close thumbnails in taskswitcher screen | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | touchscreen cal? | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | can system tones be boosted in Settings - Profile ? | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, just set to 0,1, 2 | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | mediaplayer works | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ts-click not | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | kbd-click not | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | charger-plugged "swoosh" works | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# uptime | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | 22:23:52 up 112 days, 13:16, load average: 0.21, 0.30, 0.13 | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# free | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | total used free shared buffers | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mem: 245404 211572 33832 0 1464 | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Swap: 786424 85240 701184 | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, killed PA and mafw(wrapper) | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no change | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK | Which figure would you want to change? | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the low sound :-) | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill mce? | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | microscope on the speaker grille? :-) | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 23:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer glares at /usr/bin/maemo-xinput-sounds | 23:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, no way to leave taskswitcher by clicking background | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, after 10s it works | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess this thing needs a REBOOT ;-P | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually atm it's the device with highest uptime here at home | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so if you want to cat some /proc or /sys before I reboot... hurry! | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | no | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | it probably fragmented swap pretty bad after 112 days :P | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hardly, with only 82M swap used at all | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 85 | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme try sth | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, killing browserd freed up 11M of swap | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, even closing thimbnails works after 10s of trying | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | 9570 984 user 20 0 98M 8744 5992 S 0.0 3.6 1:18.45 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | 98M shared mem | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAH, killing it beats down swap to 57M | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mem:239M used:135M buffers:9M cache:90M | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | now swapoff && sleep 2 and swapon ;-D | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# swapoff -a; swapon -a | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# free | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | total used free shared buffers | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mem: 245404 212476 32928 0 9252 | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Swap: 786424 0 786424 | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Total: 1031828 212476 819352 | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | of curse still no system sounds, but rather snappy desktop :-) | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | it can fragment swap even with 10M used :P | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | over time | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not now | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | Not if you rebooted | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | even after swapoff; swapon ? | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | that clears it up :P | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | btw, about the swap used number, if some memory is swapped out, and then swapped back in again, it stays counted as swap used | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | even if it's in ram | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway killing H-D was a good thing | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I should set up an alarmed job for it ;-P | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | some yellow notifier popped up: "due to memory low condition, this task has temporarily been suspended" ;-) | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess during swapoff | 23:53 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | there's a thing that attempts to close apps before you run out of ram | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | OOM | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | or H-D itself | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | No it's before oom | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I ran into it when investigating that X-PRELOAD thingie in .desktop | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | kernel sends a signal when memory is getting low, maemo tries to act on that | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA it suddenly found 48 new mails | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm :-( | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | closing thumbnails still is "not working" | 23:57 |
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