IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-03-29

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szopeenVib3: move bigger files to opt and symlink to them00:06
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Vib3szopeen: ok, but I have put pwnphone here which overwrited rootfs and optfs00:13
Vib3but my wlan is not working correctly, disconnects wlan00:13
szopeenVib3: also check
Vib3can keep n900 in wlan if I ping something from n90000:13
Vib3then it starts working again00:14
szopeennot sure how pwnphone handles free spae00:14
szopeenif you think rootfs space is the issue use 'storage usage' app from kimmo pekkola00:15
szopeenand identify the biggest offenders00:15
szopeenmv file /opt/file00:15
szopeenln -s /opt/file .00:15
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szopeenthere was a script somewhere on tmo that automated this00:16
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Vib3szopeen: ok, used that but it says those files are 0 in size00:18
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szopeendifferent one iirc00:19
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Vib3trying that app00:22
szopeeni think daperl mentioned it (or wrote?) in some post about on-device compilation00:25
szopeennot really sure though00:25
Vib3you know about that why maemo is missing usb.h?00:27
Vib3needed to compile java software that needed it to compile libusb00:27
szopeenno, tried with ubuntu armel version of it?00:28
szopeenfor libs they seem quite compatible00:28
Vib3szopeen: got this while trying to compile it ->
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Vib3szopeen: moved one directory so now space, that program was good to show storage usage, thx!00:32
szopeenjust don't move anything critical for bootin00:35
szopeenmicrob engine is a few mb rootfs saver00:36
Vib3had that ztex directory in /root :p00:36
szopeenbut /usr/bin lib or etc should mostly remain untouched00:36
Vib3it filled it00:36
szopeensounds safe00:36
Vib3k, yea00:36
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Vib3still not enough space :o00:38
Vib3how much does that update need?00:39
szopeenwhat update?00:39
Vib3MAemo 5 21.2011.38-1.00200:39
Vib3MAemo 5 21.2011.38-1.00200:39
szopeenhmm, sounds like the 1.3.1 update00:40
szopeenshouldn't be a lot00:40
Vib3seems more than 27M00:41
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szopeenif it is 1.3.1 it should be less than 500kb00:42
szopeenwhat version are you running?00:42
szopeenyeah, that's 1.300:44
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ioanhi. Is there a way to install the previous version of kernel-power to overwrite the latest version?00:44
szopeenuse nokia kernel icon reboot couple of times, install older00:45
Vib3hmm but it doesn't fix any wlan things szopeen, so its not useful even00:45
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szopeenwhat wlan probs do you have?00:46
Vib3that wlan thing might be problem caused my pwnphone00:46
Vib300:13 < Vib3> but my wlan is not working correctly, disconnects wlan00:46
Vib300:13 < Vib3> but my wlan is not working correctly, disconnects wlan00:46
Vib300:13 < Vib3> can keep n900 in wlan if I ping something from n90000:47
Vib300:13 < Vib3> then it starts working again00:47
szopeentried pwnphone forum(if they have one)00:47
SiceloVib3: also try to disable wifi power-saving00:47
szopeenmaybe autodisconnect widget?00:47
szopeenquite a few candidates for the troublemaker with so little info00:48
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Vib3no autodisconnect00:49
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Vib3hmmm checking about that wifi power-saving00:50
Vib3it was on maximum00:52
Vib3turning it off00:52
ioanszopeen, I installed the nokia kernel, now how do I get it to install the prev. vers of kernel-power?00:52
szopeenafter nokia kernel reboot (twice?)00:53
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szopeencheck with uname -a you have stock, then download version you want00:53
szopeenand install00:53
DocScrutinizer51Vib3: that's known problem with PSM@max and crappy APN00:53
DocScrutinizer51szopeen: not needed00:54
Vib3ok, testing how it works now00:55
Vib3thx guys!00:55
DocScrutinizer51just install the desired version via apt00:55
DocScrutinizer51directly over the deprecated one00:55
szopeenno need to nokia kernel revert anymore?00:55
szopeengood news00:56
DocScrutinizer51apt-get install pkg=version or sth00:56
Vib3DocScrutinizer51: on my other n900 maximum works fine00:56
DocScrutinizer51pk22, pk22-modules, pk22-flasher, IIRC00:57
DocScrutinizer51Vib3: that's strange00:57
DocScrutinizer51maybe on your other N900 you goot some app or widget that hogs WLAN00:58
Vib3I will test it more if it really works fine00:58
DocScrutinizer51so you got sth similar to ping00:58
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DocScrutinizer51N900 with same PSM setting should behave similar on same AP00:59
Vib3why phone number isn't hidden if calling from dbus even its really set hidden? :p01:01
Vib3tested that some time..01:01
DocScrutinizer51the hidden is a cmd to modem to be done each time you dial01:02
DocScrutinizer51simply lead in number by "#31#"01:02
Vib3yea so it can't be done with dbus?01:03
DocScrutinizer51get starhash-enabler to amke that work01:03
DocScrutinizer51HAH, merlin1991 we should get 'starhash' into cssu01:03
DocScrutinizer51after all it's just a saner setting of a config01:04
Vib3ok, I will try it01:04
merlin1991is that config part of a package we *can* replace?01:05
DocScrutinizer51echo "ussd=yes" >>somefile01:06
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Vib3now to sleep, bye!01:06
merlin1991hm can I abuse to get diff compare directories without looking at files?01:08
merlin1991diff -rq still looks at the files01:09
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DocScrutinizer51you'll need auxiliary ls and storage01:10
DocScrutinizer51preferably named pipes01:10
merlin1991that sounsd a lil complicated to just get a list of file names for 2 slightly out of sync dirs :D01:11
merlin1991any other idea what I could use in order to get that list?01:11
DocScrutinizer51use mc ;D01:11
merlin1991hm no mc here :D01:12
merlin1991there's got to be an easy to use tool for such a thing :D01:12
DocScrutinizer51tzzz,INSTALL IT!!01:13
DocScrutinizer51or get dirdiff01:14
merlin1991can't diff between 2 ls -Rl01:15
DocScrutinizer51why not?01:16
merlin1991one drive reports folders as size 001:16
merlin1991the other as size 406901:16
merlin1991er 409601:16
DocScrutinizer51yeah, diff isn't exactly simple for dirs01:16
merlin1991though why on earth would one drive call folders size 4096 and the other one 001:17
merlin1991both have the same filesystem01:17
DocScrutinizer51do you want to know if same filename? if same size? date?01:17
merlin1991basicly I need a list of what's missing in each others dir01:18
DocScrutinizer51get MC01:18
merlin1991one problem there, doing it in a msys shell on windows :D01:18
szopeenls > smth and then diff smths?01:18
merlin1991szopeen: it's not flat folders but trees01:18
szopeenuse recursive01:18
merlin1991so I need ls -l to have one file per line01:18
merlin1991but then I have size01:19
DocScrutinizer51ls -w 101:19
DocScrutinizer51noob! ;-P01:19
merlin1991ls -Rw 101:19
merlin1991thanks for that one01:20
merlin1991didn't know it :)01:20
DocScrutinizer51yw :D01:21
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merlin1991too easy ;)01:22
DocScrutinizer51btw diff or cmp has an option for that too01:23
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DocScrutinizernope, scratch that01:26
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szopeenbtw maemo could use a proper mc build01:27
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DocScrutinizerfind /a/ -exec "test -a {} || echo {}"01:28
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DocScrutinizerfind /a/ -exec "test -a {} || echo /b/{}"01:28
szopeenfact that opening archives suddenly tries to look in /scratchbox/... is a joke :(01:28
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DocScrutinizerszopeen: please elaborate01:29
szopeentgz work fine01:29
szopeenbut other compression formats often look into /sb dir of the builder01:29
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szopeensomething wasn't compiled correctly01:29
DocScrutinizerI'm using N900 mc via ssh on my laptop, and I sometimes even forget I'm actually on the phone01:30
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DocScrutinizerseems it works absolutely identical to x86 mc01:31
szopeenwell python errors show up quite often when playing with compressed files01:31
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DocScrutinizerpython errors?????01:31
szopeenextfs happens to cry foul01:31
szopeenpython reported01:31
szopeennot python based01:31
szopeensee post 46 in midnight commander thread01:31
szopeensymlinking /usr/bin as /scratchbox/tools helps01:32
DocScrutinizerno such dir on my phone01:32
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DocScrutinizerstrings `which mc`|grep scratch -> <null>01:34
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DocScrutinizerstrings `which mc`|grep pyt -> <null>01:36
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szopin_zips are still slow as hell but at least work with this fix01:38
DocScrutinizernever encountered any such problem01:40
szopin_your mc opens zip/deb/rar/7z straight from install?01:40
szopin_pretty sure on fresh flash it spews a lot of python: blah blahs in a red background01:41
szopin_this is one workaround01:41
szopin_(still need to install uncompressors)01:42
DocScrutinizerI thought it's about .tgz01:43
szopin_tgz work out of the box01:43
DocScrutinizerwell, I never noticed any problem01:43
szopin_other methods are scratchboxlinked01:44
szopin_which is why i mentioned need for proper mc packaging01:44
DocScrutinizermaybe because I have no friggin .zip01:44
szopin_rar? deb?01:44
szopin_xarchiver is cool and all, commandline works too01:44
szopin_but mc is just too awesome to not use it01:44
DocScrutinizerdeb work fine for all I know01:45
szopin_especially just to f3 a file froma big archive01:45
szopin_use it all the time01:45
szopin_even arj would work01:45
szopin_but maemo seems to have forgotten this01:45
szopin_(me too in fact)01:45
szopin_was the craze 10 or so yrs ago01:46
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe some fool messed up the plugins01:46
szopin_on-device mc compiling didn't work for me01:46
szopin_main reason got to installing sb01:46
szopin_still need to sit at it01:46
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ShadowJKI have an access point that seems to only work well with a single powersaving client simultaneously02:39
ShadowJKusually the device with most regular traffic "wins" and works properly on that ap02:40
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DocScrutinizersounds "reasonable" - aiui PSM is all about sync'ed timing09:09
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DocScrutinizerif the AP firmware got lazily coded, there will be only one timer to sync to one device09:10
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DocScrutinizerobviously this will usually be the last one client sending and negotiation PSM that wins, in such pathological case09:14
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: obviously this will usually be the last one client sending and negotiating PSM that wins, in such pathological case09:15
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hanningis anyone getting mozillas html5 techdemo called "browserquest" to run in microb?10:29
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hanningi get an error about mising websockets10:30
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Hurriancheck html5test - the engine in microb is old and doesn't support a lot of the html5 features introduced in firefox 4/gecko 211:08
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jacekowskihanning: no websockets in maemo11:31
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jacekowskihanning: websockets are disabled in most of browsers anyways11:31
jacekowskihanning: because of security issues with them11:31
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dhbikerhi there12:53
dhbikerumm how long does it take for the GPS to aquire the fix .... in my case its like 10 mins -.-12:54
dhbikerany way to speed it up ?12:54
StyXmandhbiker: AGPS12:55
dhbikerexcept that12:55
StyXmanI wonder if it's possible to have an offlie db for AGPS12:55
StyXmandhbiker: no idea12:55
StyXmanmine sometimes takes a long time too12:55
dhbikeron my previous android phone i had to change NTp servers in one config... and it got a fix in under 2 mins12:56
dhbikeron the exact same location as now with n9012:56
StyXmanI hadn't read it12:58
StyXmandhbiker: «some standalone GPS navigation devices may not be able to work out a position due to the fragmentary signal, rendering them unable to function until a clear signal can be received continuously for up to 12.5 minutes (the time needed to download the GPS almanac and ephemeris)»13:01
StyXman(from agps article from wp)13:02
StyXmandhbiker: seems like AGPS uses both an orbital almanac/ephemeride and servers that compare GPS signal snapshots13:07
StyXmanthe first part is clearly offline-able, given that the soft supports it13:08
StyXman(and it seems like currently it doesn't)13:08
StyXmanbut the second one it's not13:08
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dhbikeryes i saw the link13:12
dhbikerreading about it right now13:12
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StyXmandhbiker: please share any findings :)13:14
dhbikerwill do13:15
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edheldildhbiker:  also if you USE agps, you might need to change agps server from to
Sicelodhbiker: ~rtl13:18
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dhbikerwill try that ... tnx edheldil for info13:22
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villagerStyXman: ephemeris data is only valid for 30 minutes, you cannot have an offline db for it, that's why agps is so useful... the servers are redundant if the gps can do its own calculations, but downloading the ephemeris data is not13:36
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StyXmanvillager: yes, but it seems that orbits have more life expectance13:38
StyXmanOTOH, the proxy seems a better idea13:38
villagerStyXman: the almanac data on the orbits is valid for months, yes... but for the ephemeris, no way13:39
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villagerin earth orbit, especially given the navigation systems and clock designs of gps, and the limited computational power of gps receivers, deviations of like kilometers from estimated orbit would be pretty normal, but disastrous for ground navigation... you really need the real-time ephemeris data to know where the satellites actually are13:43
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edheldilvillager:  even cheap gps modules can cache almanac data and don't need agps. I don't know why the one in n900 is so lousy13:52
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villageredheldil: I hear the gps unit is hooked up to the cell modem, not to the main cpu... maybe some engineering thing, not giving it persistent storage?14:07
merlin1991anyone in here who used the garage todo thingy?14:10
merlin1991I just had the odd situation that a few entries went missing on the list, but the counter for overall todos still is correct14:10
merlin1991err never mind14:11
merlin1991silly search filter had an invalid kategory as default (lol)14:11
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m4g0gwhere does microb store his bookmarks?14:31
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jargon-anybody here know how to configure cutempc?15:07
LaoLang_coolhi, I'v installed cron, but how to configure it to allow user add his own cron task?15:09
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StyXmanLaoLang_cool: «crontab -e» (as user)  doesn't work?15:11
LaoLang_coolStyXman: it says: crontabs/user/: fdopen: Permission denied15:12
StyXmanmaybe it has the worng perms15:14
StyXmanlemme see15:14
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LaoLang_coolStyXman: thanks!15:14
StyXmanLaoLang_cool: I have this in a server with a crontab for ftp15:17
r00t|homethe trick is the +T on /var/spool/cron/crontabs15:21
LaoLang_coolStyXman: I don't quite understand, what should I do now?15:22
LaoLang_coolr00t|home: +T?15:22
r00t|homewell, and the group write bit15:22
r00t|home+T means users who can write the directory can only delete files they own, not all15:22
r00t|homeusually used for /tmp15:23
r00t|homeactually it's not critical there... it seems the crontab command is sgid crontab and we have the group write bit15:23
LaoLang_coolr00t|home: sorry, I still don't know what should I do... I'm not familiar with permision, so now I should add a +T to /var/spool/cron/crontabs?15:26
r00t|homeshow us the current settings first? ls -ld /var/spool/cron/crontabs15:26
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LaoLang_coolr00t|home: sorry for late.. drwx-wx--T 2 root root 160 Mar 26 21:32 /var/spool/cron/crontabs15:36
r00t|homethat looks ok then15:37
r00t|homels -l $(which crontab) ?15:37
r00t|homemine is: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root crontab 35872 Jan 30 12:09 /usr/bin/crontab15:37
r00t|homenote the sgid bit15:37
LaoLang_coolr00t|home: mine is -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27724 Nov 19 2010 /usrs/bin/crontab15:38
LaoLang_coolMy maemo hasn't a crontab group15:38
r00t|homewell, maybe just chmod g+s /usr/bin/crontab15:39
LaoLang_coolI remember that when installing crontab, there's some error message, but I can't recall them15:39
r00t|homemight work, no idea if it's safe15:39
r00t|homewhy would you want cron on a phone anyway...15:39
LaoLang_coolr00t|home: say send a sms on schedual with smssend15:40
LaoLang_coolr00t|home: thank you, now user can crontab -e :)15:41
r00t|home<m4g0g> where does microb store his bookmarks?  <--- .mozilla/microb/places.sqlite ?15:41
r00t|homeLaoLang_cool: i guess security is not a major concern on a phone anyway...15:41
LaoLang_coolr00t|home: yes, I think so too :)15:42
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LaoLang_coolr00t|home: why you have a crontab group which I don't have here?15:43
r00t|homeno, but i also never tried to install cron15:44
m4g0gr00t|home: as I understand - no15:50
m4g0gin ~/.bookmarks15:51
m4g0gmay be in this db too.15:51
m4g0ghow I can test application for n9 without n9?15:52
petteriwith qtsdk, it includes simulator15:53
petterior with nokias remote device system (not sure about the correct name)15:53
m4g0gI have only n90015:54
petteriqtsdk runs on desktop computer15:54
merlin1991m4g0g: or with scratchbox15:54
petterihopefully you have one15:54
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merlin1991actually in scratchbox you're closer to the real device than with Qt sdk15:55
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m4g0gI will try it in gentoo15:55
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edheldiljargon-:  cutempc works, but is rather annoying16:57
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jargon-edheldil: yeah,i was beginning to get that impression. going to stick with panucci until i find something better17:15
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edheldiljargon-:  can panucci control mpd?17:22
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DocScrutinizer51laolang installed cron on N900? :-o19:42
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ruskieheh actually had to reboot my n900 after some 90 days... it was running out of ram chronicaly20:56
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narcosHey there. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask questions about the N900 - if so, I've just bought a second hand one, and it doesn't seem to read MMC cards. I've tried two different ones (2GB and 16GB) with FAT16/32 and ext3. I don't see any entries in dmesg concerning it. I've read that the back cover needs to be closed because of some magnet thing - I've closed the back cover. Any help would be appreciated++20:58
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rookie2030hi anyone can help ill try to load debian on n810 and appers this21:10
rookie2030blkid: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory21:10
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narcosWell, what do you know - it was the magnet21:14
narcosI've placed a fridge magnet near the phone cover and the card has been detected21:14
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DocScrutinizernarcos: is there a magnet to hold the kickstand?21:18
DocScrutinizerquite likely you bought one that lost this lil magnet21:19
fizzieBoth the pieces -- the cover-side one and the piece that's in the kickstand "bar" -- of the kickstand magnet got loose on my phone quasi-recently. Glued the one that's in the back cover back on. (Then lost the other one.)21:20
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narcosDocScrutinizer: Nope, magnet's gone walkies21:23
ShadowJKI once used a magnet from a earphone I opened up carefully with a hammer. But that was with the mugen cover, which is big to accomodate a double-thickness battery, and leaves plenty of unused room around the camera :)21:24
narcosI've taped a small fridge magnet to the back cover. An ugly fix for now - I've mailed the ebay seller telling him to send me a new cover.21:24
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ShadowJKdoes he have supplies of back covers? :)21:26
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DocScrutinizerI start to like the dent in my 'new' N900 digitizer. Just visible enough to tell this one apart from T900 next to it21:35
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DocScrutinizermagnets of tight size could either be found in HDD etc, or you cut sth off a flexible fridge magnet21:37
DocScrutinizerthat* size21:37
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rookie2030help with blkid: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory21:38
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DocScrutinizerUMM, they sold me a fsckdup battery??? >:-(21:41
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DocScrutinizerthis device sits on charger since 24h now, still doesn't stop drawing current (screen locked)21:42
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holmesiihello, I am trying to use libpcap in Qt creator. I am using ubuntu system with QT creator. I installed libpcap in both ubuntu and n900 cellphone. I tried to include libpcap library into my project. and the project can find the pcap.h, however, when I tried to compile the project. it showm me can't find pcap.h: no such file or directory. Any help?22:28
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jacekowskihave you heard the news22:34
jacekowskimeego isn't dead22:34
holmesiican you help me?22:35
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rookie2030help with this blkid: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory22:40
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merlin1991holmesii: Qt creator uses madde in order to compile for the n90022:52
merlin1991there are tools to install packages to the madde sysroot (inside madde)22:53
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holmesiiim running ubuntu 10.04, what should I do now?22:53
holmesiican you help me?22:53
vi__delete it and install windows ME22:54
vi__it is rly gud22:54
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vi__does anyone still hang out on this channel?22:55
vi__or has it gone meego too?22:55
merlin1991are you using the qt creator that came with ubuntu or does the one from qtsdak?22:55
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merlin1991vi__: #maemo is alive and kicking just like a year ago22:55
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holmesiiI installed the QT creator from QTsdak.22:56
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holmesiidownload from website.22:56
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vi__merlin1991: thankyou for continuing cssu.22:57
vi__we all appreciate it.22:57
holmesiiI will google something and try it. thanks a lot. I will give feedback soon.22:59
holmesiihi, merlin1991, do i need to install that in my ubuntu system or n900 device?23:02
merlin1991you need to install the pcap armel package into your madde sysroot23:02
holmesiiwhat's is my madde sysroot? in my ubuntu system or my n900 device?23:03
merlin1991in your ubuntu system23:03
merlin1991it's a subdirectory of the qt sdk23:03
merlin1991wherever you installed your Qt sdk you'll have a subfolder Maemo/4.6.2/23:04
merlin1991navigate there in a console, and run bin/mad-admin xdpkg PATHTOPCAP.deb23:05
merlin1991and also bin/mad-admin xdpkg PATHTOPCAP-DEV.deb23:05
merlin1991and those .debs have to be the armel ones23:05
holmesiithank you, iam using the default path and trying to locate the qt sdk.23:05
merlin1991by default it ends up in ~/QtSadk23:05
infobotmerlin1991 meant: by default it ends up in ~/QtSdk23:06
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holmesiiyes. but I am still looking for it. will let you know then. Thank you!!!23:06
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holmesiiso i have to download the libpcap.deb libpcap-dev.deb in that folder and run ./mad-admin xdpkg, is that correct?23:09
holmesiii found the location of bin/mad-admin23:09
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merlin1991just make sure you're not in the harmattan sysroot if you installed harmattan from the qtsdk aswell23:11
holmesiii found the debs in package.maemo org and I tried to download fremantle extras-devel free armel version. But for the version of libpcap-dev in fremantel extras-devel, there is warning: this package has missing dependecies. should I change another version?23:15
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holmesii./mad set harmattan-platform-api ,  do i need to set it as fremantle???23:19
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holmesiii got the answer, mad list23:23
merlin1991well if you have missing dependencies you should also have a list of what's missing23:25
merlin1991you'll have to get that stuff from aswell23:25
holmesiiI tried ./mad-admin xdpkg -i /pathtomydeb/deb, and got Cannot make '/opt/QTSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/tmp/madde-xdpkg23:25
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merlin1991did you install the sdk as root?23:26
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merlin1991you could try to run it with sudo23:26
holmesiithanks. i was disconnected.23:27
holmesiiit's ok. but it told me that package 'libpcap0.8' installed. looks like i need to uninstall it first23:27
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merlin1991don't do that23:28
holmesiiso. what should I do now?23:28
holmesiii tried I tried ./mad-admin xdpkg -i /pathtomydeb/deb, and got Cannot make '/opt/QTSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/tmp/madde-xdpkg23:28
merlin1991which package did you try to install?23:28
holmesiihowever, it said "libpcap" installed.23:28
holmesiidownload from package maemo org23:29
merlin1991try it with and
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holmesiithank you23:30
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holmesiithank you. it works. it removed the old one first and then installed the new one. do i have to do the same in my n900 device?23:32
holmesiii got the same error :(23:36
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holmesiiit's working!!!!!!23:40
holmesiiguys!!! I love you!!!23:40
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