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Macerwell.. i sure am glad with those widgets gone the n900 lasts as long as it does now01:01
Macerit felt kind of wrong having it die every 12 hours or so lol01:01
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BCMMis there a way to change the X11 gamma setting on the n900?01:53
BCMMi've tried with xrandr (using X11 forwarding since the binary appears to not be packaged) and it does nothing with no error01:54
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Macerwtf is battery patch?02:25
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Macer2 and 302:32
Macerpoor maemo repos02:32
Macerit is a breakdown02:33
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John_hi, im new to maemo, is there anybody working with QT?05:44
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Guest87686for maemo program?05:44
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holmesiiHi I am new to meamo and QT, I installed QT set in windows system and trying to make a program for maemo device. I want to do some program with libpcap. But i don't know how to start.05:46
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ShiftPlusOneHello, where can I find the source for sdl-gles to steal?05:50
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holmesiinobody will answer you05:51
ShiftPlusOnewell... not instantly.05:52
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ShiftPlusOnethink I found it anyway
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Evanescencewhat is that line for N900 to output to TV ?07:20
EvanescenceI mean, what type line ? some name like VGA, AVOUT07:21
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ShiftPlusOnequiet channel this =/07:40
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DocScrutinizerhi Macer08:52
Macerit is so nice outside08:53
Maceruntil tomorrow... back to 40s08:57
Macerwe are on the early spring roller coaster08:57
Macerhad the most mild winter in chicago history08:57
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DocScrutinizerheh, same here. Nice til tomorrow09:25
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Netham45Are there any Maemo builds targeting tablets?16:09
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Siceloif u mean running maemo on those tablets.. no. it's kinda pointless16:13
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Sicelootherwise maemo targets tablets by default.. NITs ;)16:14
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Netham45Okay, are there any maemo builds out there for non-nokia devices? Wanted to play with it on my Iconia A500 (Tegra 2, ARM)16:15
Sicelono. not any16:15
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DocScrutinizer51that's not completely true, some are 'out there', running on beagleboard etc and hiding somewhere on stskeeps' HDD16:51
* dm8tbr has an old-mer build on his Archos5IT16:53
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Estel_Hello Maemo18:20
Estel_I've tried to move my modest accounts settings to encrypted volume, so I've moved /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest    and symlinked it18:21
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Estel_yet, despite, that it have same permissions etc and is properly symlinked, operation failed miserably. Modest just assumes no account, and propose me to configure new one18:22
Estel_even rebooting (i have wifi disabled on boot by default), enabling encrypted volume, and only trying wifi and modest after that doesnt help.18:22
Estel_Any idea, what I may be doing wrong? how to properly move gconf settings of some particular program to other media?18:23
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Estel_doing same thing with configs from /home/user/.someconfig worked. It's just that /var/lib/gconf/apps/someconfig works differently and cn't be just moved&symlinked?18:24
Estel_brb, trying to reboot after restoring - even after deleting symlink and mv back modest gconf folder to /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest it doesnt work18:28
Estel_killing modest also doesnt help18:28
Estel_it's funny, as my settings - like auto-check interval etc are restored, but accounts aren't18:29
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Estel_Fortunately, reboot makes account to appear. I still wonder WTF it isn't working after moving /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest to encrypted device and symlinking...18:34
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obcecadoguys, my n900 drained battery while i was on call18:39
obcecadoand now it's asking for unlock code (which i dont have)18:39
obcecadoany ideas?18:39
psycho_oreostry the default lock code18:41
obcecadofrom what i searched before it should be 12345, no luck18:42
obcecadoi had an unlock code set about one year ago, already tried that18:42
psycho_oreosor maybe 5 zeroes?18:42
Estel_obcecado,  search tmo for methods to recover it18:43
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Estel_if You have ssh enabled, you may do so even without reflashing18:44
Macerbe careful18:44
Macerit may be a sim unlock code18:44
obcecadoEstel_: sorry maybe i wasn't clear, this happened after a battery drain18:44
obcecadoso, sadly i dont have access to the filesystem18:44
Estel_well, of course, I assume that obcecado know what he want to achieve18:45
Estel_backupmenu installed?18:45
obcecadoi read a thread on that cites cracking a hash18:45
Estel_You can use it to enable usb networking and ssh18:45
obcecadowhich i cannot access18:45
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obcecadono backupmenu18:45
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psycho_oreoslooks like a reflash is the only way to go18:46
Estel_without backupmenu, and if You're sure that it's not simlock related, try FIASCOZ flashing18:46
obcecadothanks for the hint, let me google that :-)18:46
Estel_You shouldn't lose personal files on MyDocs etc18:46
Estel_Maemo wiki got that18:46
psycho_oreosobcecado, did you overclock the device?18:46
Estel_article "upgrading the firmware/flashing"18:47
obcecadoi have a custom profile.. its actually an underclock18:47
Estel_but, if it is what I think it is, even after reflash, Uou'll have unknown lock code. No big deal, as it won't be set to ask for it on boot18:47
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Estel_yet, You'll have to retrieve lock code to gain possibility to change it18:47
Estel_it's possible that it got corrupted, and it's hash will be listed as empty18:48
Estel_in that case, someone published a file, that when put in certain place and executed, reset lock code to default18:48
Estel_as added bnefit, fixing the "empty hash" problem18:48
obcecadoEstel_: how am i supposed to execute that file, if i do  not have any shell access?18:49
obcecadoafter flashing the device, if i dont have the unlock code, i'm out18:49
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Estel_it's near beginning of thread, where decrypting hash is explained18:49
Estel_nope, cause after flashing, device doesn't ask for lock code on boot18:49
Estel_as I've written ;)18:49
obcecadosorry i must've misread18:50
obcecadothank you for your help18:50
Estel_it ask for it only if You enable asking (don't touch it unless You retrieve it), or when You want to change code18:50
obcecadoi'll read up18:50
Estel_no problem.18:50
Estel_ask here if You hit serious roadblocks - someone will be surely able to help18:50
Macerthere once was a time when nokia had an easy flashing app for windows that would just download and install the latest maemo18:50
Macerwhat ever happened to that?18:50
obcecadoim not a windows user anyways :-)18:51
Estel_Yet, You should manage - it was one of first thing that I've did after aquiring N900, while being both Maemo and Linux at all noob18:51
Estel_so, if You're not windoze user, You should certainly manage18:51
obcecadojust making sure, this is the article you're mentioning ?
Estel_BTW, anyone got any hints on my problem with moving some gconf settings to other media and symlinking?18:52
Estel_You *don't* want to do Vanilla eMMC reflash18:52
Estel_Fiasco one interest You18:52
Estel_(i.e. the one that flash 256 NAND + optfs on 32GB eMMC, and doesn't touch rest of eMMC)18:53
Estel_also, after getting rid of current problem, install backupmenu18:53
Estel_it's a must. Somehow, I think it should be a part of CSSU.18:53
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Estel_Android kids are dumb most of the time, but it's quite smart to add recovery tool into cyanogenmod mess18:54
obcecadonow i'm understanding why..18:54
Estel_heck, they even went so far, that they've added it to custom kernel too.18:55
obcecadowell, why isn't there maemo flasher source in 64bit?18:58
Estel_cause maemo flasher isn't open even for 32 bit19:03
Estel_Pali created Open flasher replacement19:03
Estel_yet, it's not 100% complete AFAIK19:03
obcecadobut there's a 64bit package for debian/ubuntu19:03
Palimy open replacement is for cold flashing19:03
obcecadoeither way i managed running that 32bit app, on my 64bit19:04
Paliand cold flashing working fine19:04
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obcecadoonly had to taint some libs19:04
Paliif you need open source normal flashing, use program 0xFFFF19:04
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obcecadothanks for the hint Pali19:09
Estel_Macer - eh, if it would be only possible to add more RAM to N900 such easidly ;)19:09
DocScrutinizer51ok, a used one from 2nd hand next door: 130EUR, with 6 months warranty whatever that means19:10
Estel_I swear I would fit smal notebook'ish 2GB RAM into mugen cover19:10
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DocScrutinizer51alas - of course - german WERTZU kbd19:11
DocScrutinizer51aka QWERTZ19:11
Macerwertzu? is that the layout in german?19:14
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: (pali created) there's 0xFFFF since ages19:14
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DocScrutinizer51I guess FFFF is First Free Firmware Flasher, or sth19:16
DocScrutinizer51nfc what's 0x19:16
DocScrutinizer51zero experience?19:17
Macerdoes mugen even sell n900 double batteries anymore19:18
DocScrutinizer51~wiki qwertz19:19
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: " The 'QWERTZ' or 'QWERTZU' keyboard is a widely used computer and typewriter keyboard layout that is mostly used in Central Europe. The name comes from the first six letters at the top left of the keyboard: "Q", "W", "E", "R", "T", and "Z". The QWERTZ layout differs from the QWERTY layout in four major ways: * The positions of the "Z" and "Y" keys are switched, this change being made ...19:19
PaliDocScrutinizer51, 0xFFFF is Open Free Fiasco Firmware Flasher19:20
Pali0 looks like O :D19:20
DocScrutinizer51what's 'x'?19:20
Palino idea...19:21
DocScrutinizer51anyway, 'sheik yerbouti'19:21
* DocScrutinizer51 walks home to make his daily phone and the new member of 900 crew say hello to T90019:22
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obcecadowish me good luck, i just started flashing :>19:23
Paliit sounds like T602 :D19:23
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DocScrutinizer51T900? nah19:23
DocScrutinizer51'I'll be back!'19:23
mgedminfor a moment I thought those were new Lenovo ThinkPad model names19:24
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* mgedmin only has a T6119:24
obcecadowell, its still asking for a pin19:24
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obcecadousb cable unplugged, i got it to boot19:28
obcecadoyikes, i managed to forget how rough was the default UI19:29
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holmesiihi, is there anybody can help me?20:51
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dm8tbrnobody will help you if you don't ask your question.20:55
ShadowJKnope not a mindreader, sorry20:55
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infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.20:56
holmesiiThank you!20:57
ShadowJKand I've also never used libpcap, and generally would have no clue how to use a C library in a QT C++ program whilst fighting with an IDE at the same time :/20:57
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DocScrutinizero.O ?20:58
* ShadowJK scrolled up20:58
holmesiiI am very new to maemo. I want to develop a UI software to get the wireless signal in N900. I installed QT in my windows7 system and trying to do some libpcap thing for the software. How can I develop the software and deploy it into my N900? I currently can do a simple UI software and deploy it into my N900.20:58
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keriowait, you said windows 7?21:00
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I got me a 130€ used kit of spareparts ;-D21:01
kerioyou actually want to develop for linux on w7? :|21:01
keriothat's... peculiar, to say the least21:01
ShadowJKWell if it was normal stuff, I'd #include <pcap.h>, and make sure my software is linked with -Lpcap, but how to do that in QT creator I have no clue :)21:01
holmesiii installed QT in my windows7 system. but of couse. I can still install QT in my ubuntu 10.04 system. whatever if possible.21:01
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer; still haven't been able to get a spare :(21:01
holmesiiI want make a UI software with QT and deploy it on my N900 device.21:02
holmesiihow should I start.21:02
kerioholmesii: i'd install scratchbox, but that's a whole another bag of bullshit to deal with21:02
DocScrutinizerI'm not well-fed21:02
ShadowJKdo you mean that QT Creator thing? because qt by itself does nothing?21:02
DocScrutinizerI.E. still looking for a new one21:02
DocScrutinizerbut that severely used one was just sitting there in that shop's shelf ;-)21:03
* ShadowJK imagines qtcreator is set up only for Ovi-compliant software. i.e. no extra libs :/21:03
holmesiiis it possible to do pcap things in QT and deploy it on N900 device? Need guidance...21:04
DocScrutinizereverything is "possible"21:05
holmesiiCan you give me any clue?21:05
DocScrutinizerfor now we don't even have a clue what SDK you're using21:05
holmesiiI just downloaded QT 4.7 from the server and installed it.21:06
ShadowJKI think he's using qt creator? I think it's this etch-a-sketch thing to build QT UIs with but I'm not sure?21:06
holmesiiI am running maemo 5 on N900 devices. and installed libpcap0.8, libpcap0.8-dev21:06
ShadowJKbecause just QT does nothing on its own, has no UI and no tools afaik21:07
DocScrutinizeryep, except QtCreator/designer, and linguist21:07
holmesiiI now can publish software on my n900 device. But I need to do something with libpcap to capture the wireless packet.21:07
holmesiiyes. I am using QT creator21:07
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ShadowJKso I'm guessing the only possibility is QT creator then, as you'd probably not call madde "QT"... unless madde was folded into qtcreator, I've not really followed qt side of things21:08
DocScrutinizerwe already heard about that, holmesii21:08
holmesiiforgive me newbie to this area. :)21:08
* ShadowJK googles and finds
DocScrutinizeryou'll have a hard time with qt-creator alone21:09
DocScrutinizerfor maemo it's scratchbox and madde that's recommended and supported, afaik21:10
holmesiiis there any other easy way to deal with libpcap things? with UI?21:10
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ShadowJKIt gets hard once you move outside the areas supported natively by qt creator21:10
DocScrutinizertoo hard21:10
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer; there's a n900 choice in qtcreator too afaik :P21:10
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holmesiiI  can use any designer, in fact I am new to all of them.21:11
holmesiiso please let me know which one is easier to implement the stuff i want.21:11
ShadowJKwell I'm pretty sure neither me nor DocScrutinizer has ever used any designer at all, so we're probably unqualified to answer ;p21:12
DocScrutinizermight give you the most comprehensive startpoint21:12
holmesiiall right. Thank you guys!!21:13
holmesiithank you!21:15
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ShadowJKhave you tried to check manually whether the data you want is available through packet dumping btw?21:21
ShadowJKtcpdump should be in -devel I think21:22
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DocScrutinizerI have honest doubts the design is straight to the point. You'd very likely not need pcap to implement something that's not exactly a twin of tcpdump and wireshark21:25
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ErwinJungeDoes anyone know whatever happened to firefox on the N900? I remember using it a long time ago and figured I'd give it another try but it seems to have vanished from mozilla's website?21:49
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ToJa92ErwinJunge: They stopped supporting it after they released Firefox 7, according to their wiki. From what I can tell, the latest version is available here:
ToJa92lastest as in last officially built, that is.21:55
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ErwinJungeToJa92: Thanks for the info, sad news but to be expected I guess. Ah well, I never really had an issue with the default browser anyways :)21:57
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MohammadAG <-- awesome phones22:26
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SiceloPali: can i just uninstall uboot with apt-get?22:45
PaliSicelo, do you have flashed u-boot into NAND?22:46
Palito kernel area?22:46
Siceloi am just now preparing to flash my n900 following my uboot 'accident' two days ago.. what i notice is that i can still chroot into it from debina on SD card.. :/22:46
Palifirst you need to flash kernel image22:47
Paliand then you can uninstall u-boot via apt/dpkg22:47
Siceloyeah.. sounds good :)22:47
Paliu-boot is stored in kernel NAND, so you cannot remove it before you install other kernel image22:48
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Siceloi'm ready to do a full combined flash.. but a 'rescue' method won't hurt.22:48
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Palijust reflash kernel zImage22:49
Sicelokewl. thanks for info. i'll flash kernel, chroot into maemo, and dpkg -r, right?22:49
Paliafter reflashing kernel image, maemo 5 will automatically start22:49
Palibecause u-boot will be replaced with regular kernel22:50
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Sicelonot in my case Pali. it doesn't start22:50
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Sicelokernel panic.. tried to kill init - and one of your tmo post say only way out is flash full combined image,
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Palioh, you have this same problem "Warning: unable to open an initial console." ?22:52
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Siceloand Kernel panic - attempted to kill init22:53
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Paliso, then only way is to full reflash22:53
Palimake sure that your battery is not empty22:53
Sicelobut the maemo rootfs seems to still be fine.. i'm right now chrooted into it from debian (to copy stuff before reflash..)22:53
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Palican you chroot to maemo ubifs rootfs?22:54
Paliplease write output of /dev22:54
Palimy idea is that file /dev/console is deleted22:54
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Siceloinput        mmcblk0      mmcblk0p1    mmcblk0p2    mmcblk0p3    mmcblk0p4    null         pts          rtc0         twl4030_wdt  watchdog22:54
Palils -l22:54
PaliI mean dev in rootfs22:55
Sicelols -l in which directory?22:55
Siceloyeah.. /dev is from maemo's root22:55
Paliin maemo ubifs roots22:55
Paliso there is missing console char device22:56
Paliand I think this is reason why kernel cannot boot22:56
Paliyou can try to create /dev/console22:56
Paliand try to boot maemo again22:56
DocScrutinizerPali: when uboot (obviously) gets installed together with kernel to dev/mtd1, so what is it you're uninstalling via apt then, after flashing stock kernel?22:56
PaliI mean reinstalling kernel and kernel-flasher package to reflash stock kernel22:57
Palie.g. remove u-bot22:57
Sicelohmm, to create /dev/console, i need `mknod` .. what arguments do i give?22:57
DocScrutinizeraah, "uninstall" the kernel-flasher22:57
PaliDocScrutinizer, what is major and minor number for /dev/console ?22:57
ErwinJungeMohammadAG: Personal experience, or just an "I'd like to own those"?22:58
DocScrutinizeractually I'd think you can do that any time, no? ;-D22:58
Sicelolemme google22:58
DocScrutinizert900:~# ls -l /dev/console22:58
DocScrutinizercrw-------    1 root     root       5,   1 Mar 11 15:27 /dev/console22:58
Sicelothanks DocScrutinizer ;)22:58
Palimknod /dev/console c 5 122:58
PaliSicelo, also /dev/zero and /dev/tty is needed I think22:59
Sicelomeh.. this debian can't write to ubi.. only read22:59
PaliSicelo, write output of mount22:59
Pali$ mount22:59
Siceloubi0_0 on /mnt/ubi type ubifs (ro,relatime)23:00
DocScrutinizert900:~# ls -l /dev/tty23:00
DocScrutinizercrw-rw-rw-    1 root     root       5,   0 Jan  1  1970 /dev/tty23:00
DocScrutinizert900:~# ls -l /dev/zero23:00
DocScrutinizercrw-rw-rw-    1 root     root       1,   5 Jan  1  1970 /dev/zero23:00
NIN101Sicelo: that's the nemo kernel23:00
Sicelolemme umount and try again..23:00
Palimount ubi0_0 -t ubifs /mnt/ubi -o remount,rw,relatime23:00
Siceloyes NIN101 :/23:01
Palithis should remount to rw mode23:01
NIN101the nemo kernel, afaik, can't write to ubifs, or couldn't at least.23:01
Siceloaha.. that's why.. because i tried yesterday23:01
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DocScrutinizer:-/ no module "ubi", and prolly nemo hasn't bothered to build monolitic as well23:02
NIN101rescueOS can do it.23:03
Siceloanyway.. this was just an 'experiment' -- guess i'll go on and flash23:03
Siceloah.. lemme boot rescueOS then :)23:04
DocScrutinizerPali: how did you manage to nuke stuff off /dev/* ? ;-D23:05
PaliSicelo, here is output of /dev/ from rootfs from FIASCO image
PaliI unpacked rootfs from RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin23:05
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Pali/dev/pts is empty subfolder23:06
Sicelolol - all those dev nodes are there on rescueOS23:09
NIN101of course there on rescueOS, but are they in maemo root?23:10
Siceloah.. dang.. dumb me23:10
Siceloinput        mmcblk0      mmcblk0p1    mmcblk0p2    mmcblk0p3    mmcblk0p4    null         pts          rtc0         twl4030_wdt  watchdog23:11
PaliSicelo, just create that missing to n900 rootfs23:11
Palimaybe this is reason of non bootable system23:12
Paliwarning cannot open console is for sure problem with missing /dev/console23:12
Sicelo/dev/console added..23:13
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PaliSicelo, write then if adding /dev/console fixed maemo5 booting problem23:16
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Sicelowell.. using omapfb kernel seems to go a bit farther than before, but scren is dark so i can't make out where it stops23:18
Siceloaha.. dots'23:18
Paliproblem fixed?23:19
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Sicelowell.. i guess so. i'll uninstall u-boot, restore kp4923:20
Palican you point me where to download some rescue OS which can I use in future for fixing this problem?23:20
SiceloNIN101 is the mastermind behind this23:20
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SiceloNIN101: add there that one can use chroot.. if i didn't try chrooting in debian, i'd simply have reflashed .. unnecessary reflash23:24
NIN101"mounting maemo /" implies chroot, or not? :-)23:24
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Sicelohmm, not to all of us, lol.. i simply wanted to copy stuff from maemo's /etc .. chroot came to me as a 'crazy' idea. i felt i had nothing to lose23:25
Siceloanyway, maybe it's cause i'm just noob23:26
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Vib3I get "not enough spcae in application install memory" while installing software23:34
Vib3tried that but it says usd/share etc are 0 in size23:35
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Vib3trying to install MAemo 5 21.2011.38-1.00223:35
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MohammadAGErwinJunge, got them today23:38
MohammadAGErwinJunge, must say their comfort level isn't that high after an hour or two23:38
MohammadAGplus if you have a long head (not sure if there's a better word) they might not fit23:38
ErwinJungeHm... that is one of my biggest problems with headphones in general, comfort level after long-term use. I tend to use headphones during coding, so 8 hour stretches shouldn't be unconfortable. So these are out then :) Thanks for the quick review ;)23:40
MohammadAGErwinJunge, definitely out then, the audio quality is awesome, but I find myself taking them for 5s every hour or so23:41
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ErwinJungeUsing a set of really old (10+ years) sennheisers now. Audio quality is decent, but always looking for potential upgrades to my work equipment.23:42
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MohammadAGI'm surprised these sound good for metal/rock and dance/trance songs23:43
MohammadAGthe bass makes them vibrate, literally23:43
Vib3ideas how free space from rootfs?23:43
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ErwinJungeI'm off, byebye23:52
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