IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-03-25

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ShadowJK	the seller of "recently purchased N900" on auction site went MIA :-(	00:45
* ShadowJK still has no spare N900		00:45
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: WUT?	00:45
ShadowJK	I bid on a N900 and won, seller is MIA	00:45
DocScrutinizer	cool shit	00:46
SpeedEvil	:/	00:46
DocScrutinizer	I just instructed a good friend and ebay pro to get me 3 N900	00:46
DocScrutinizer	told him to charge me 10% for the action	00:47
ShadowJK	I haven't been able to do much hunting lately, been doing 14 hour days at work	00:47
DocScrutinizer	same here basically	00:47
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: you've seen my "enlightenment moment" in cssu chan?	00:48
ShadowJK	no new versions for X decades, allegedly best thing since sliced bread thing?	00:48
DocScrutinizer	IOW, what do you think a RDBMS like sqlite is doing to RAM when database >NNN	00:49
ShadowJK	lol	00:49
ShadowJK	sqlite is kinda slow if database > 4kByte already :P	00:49
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DocScrutinizer	possibly the answer to the miracle why some users suffer from 30s+ stalls, while others are perfectly fine with their N900 performance	00:50
DocScrutinizer	my SMS and mail and contacts RDB is extremely small	00:50
ShadowJK	sqlite + ext3 + flash is a deadly combination	00:50
DocScrutinizer	others have the sms of last 7 years on their N900	00:50
DocScrutinizer	now figure an inbound SMS	00:51
DocScrutinizer	it needs to be stored to eventsdb, no?	00:51
DocScrutinizer	so sqlite will open and load the whole db	00:51
ShadowJK	Heck, when firefox switched to sqlite for the awesome bar (address bar to the rest of us), even quad core computers with 16 gig of ram and velociraptor harddrives experienced multisecond hangs of firefox when sqlite decided to rape the hd for every keypress :P	00:51
DocScrutinizer	which is the direct path to swap hell	00:51
DocScrutinizer	if you have the SMS of last 7 years stored there	00:52
ShadowJK	heh, yeah, if it doesn't fit in ram it'd be a few magnitudes worse..	00:52
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DocScrutinizer	result: device freeze for 30+ seconds	00:52
DocScrutinizer	same for inbound and outbound calls	00:53
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DocScrutinizer	and whatnot else that's stored in a RDB	00:53
DocScrutinizer	trigger an event that makes $random subsystem access the DB and you're screwed if that DB is sufficiently crowded	00:54
DocScrutinizer	I already suggested to start a new taskforce, topic "mystery of sluggish N900 finaly exposed"	00:56
DocScrutinizer	so anybody concerned about your device got unbearably slow over time: just try deleting obsolete crap from your various databases	00:59
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DocScrutinizer	it's definitely no brilliant idea to have 3500 contacts in contact database, or similar number of old SMS, or even call events of 2 years ago	01:00
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DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: what do you think, sound rationale?	01:06
ShadowJK	dunno	01:08
DocScrutinizer	so what's needed to know?	01:09
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DocScrutinizer	run an application benchmark against a system with purged/virgin databases vs same system after adding 600 contacts and 1000 SMS?	01:11
ShadowJK	Well I'd be interested in knowing if it's memory starvation, inefficient algorithms, or sqlite fsync madness that makes it stall so bad	01:12
DocScrutinizer	it's already common knowledge that tracker is hogging system especially when you already got lots of indexed music in RDB	01:12
tcatm	Hey. I'm new to Maemo. Where would be the best place to announce new packages (I might be creating a few once I've figured out how to do so)?	01:12
DocScrutinizer	hah	01:13
DocScrutinizer	here? tmo?	01:13
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DocScrutinizer	facebook? twitter? ;-D	01:13
tcatm	What's 'tmo'?	01:15
DocScrutinizer	~tmo	01:15
infobot	well, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes	01:15
tcatm	Thanks!	01:16
DocScrutinizer	YW	01:16
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DocScrutinizer	here you'll find "power users" and devels willing to give merciless review on beta versions. On tmo you find lots of fanbois and same amount of trolls	01:17
DocScrutinizer	most devels avoid tmo by now, due to poor S/N ratio	01:18
DocScrutinizer	tcatm: anyway, welcome to the club! :-D	01:19
tcatm	Btw, if there's anyone who has some time to help me create my first package from a cmake based source repo that would be awesome. I've noticed there is no quassel2go deb (only a dead link on qt-apps), so I've managed to build a binary but I have no clue how to create a .deb from it.	01:19
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DocScrutinizer	there should be quassel afaik	01:20
DocScrutinizer	but anyway, for those things you're absolutely right here	01:20
DocScrutinizer	you'll always find someone willing to help, if you're not too impatient (turnaround time easily like half a day and 3 repeats of inquiry)	01:21
tcatm	That's pretty much standard on IRC and -dev channels IIRC :)	01:21
DocScrutinizer	yup	01:22
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DocScrutinizer	92AAAJRB3: GOOGLE?? WTF!	01:25
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DocScrutinizer	[2012-03-25 00:26:43] [Whois] 92AAAJRB3 ist ~Google@79.103.140.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr (Google)	01:27
DocScrutinizer	[2012-03-25 00:26:43] [Whois] 92AAAJRB3 hat Benutzerstatus in den Kanälen: #maemo	01:27
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DocScrutinizer	my kickfinger itches	01:27
tcatm	Are there any repos I should be aware of? (I've got a n900)	01:27
DocScrutinizer	sure	01:27
DocScrutinizer	extras, extras-testing \|\| extras-devel, tools, SDK, (CSSU)	01:28
DocScrutinizer	prolly extras-devel is the most relevant of them	01:28
tcatm	k, I've already got -devel and extras in my sources.list	01:30
DocScrutinizer	http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel	01:30
DocScrutinizer	~cssu	01:30
infobot	cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU	01:30
DocScrutinizer	~jrtools	01:30
infobot	rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	01:30
DocScrutinizer	maybe	01:31
DocScrutinizer	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5	01:32
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DocScrutinizer	you'll love rhat one	01:33
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DocScrutinizer	and just stay here 24/7, it's possibly most rewarding	01:34
tcatm	Are you aware of any scirpts that will automatically configure usb0 whenever I connect the phone to my computer?	01:35
merlin1991	tcatm: here you go: http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/quassel2go/quassel2go_0.8-pre5_armel.deb	01:35
DocScrutinizer	for networking?	01:36
DocScrutinizer	:-D	01:36
DocScrutinizer	tcatm: see, we're a nice bunch ;-)	01:36
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tcatm	Cool. That package should be in one of the repos :)	01:36
DocScrutinizer	well, that'S a special thing with the repos	01:37
merlin1991	sgissl never bothered todo it since he had the qt-apps page	01:37
merlin1991	and since it is a dead project I never bothered todo it either	01:37
merlin1991	though I'm semi working on its successor	01:37
DocScrutinizer	it's easy to get sth into -devel	01:37
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer: only if you have proper packaging in place	01:38
tcatm	Yes, for networking. Actually, doing ip l set usb0 up would be enough so I could easily access the phone via ssh.	01:38
DocScrutinizer	it's quite hard to get sth into and beyond -testing	01:38
merlin1991	for example the quassel2go package would never fly with the autobuilder	01:38
DocScrutinizer	:nod:	01:38
merlin1991	cmake exectues a part of the build at buildtime	01:38
DocScrutinizer	tcatm: I dunno about scripts for USB (though I bet there are), I use WLAN and it "just works"	01:39
merlin1991	tcam there is mad-developer	01:39
merlin1991	it's in extras-devel, it's gui	01:39
merlin1991	but all it's logic is there in form of scripts	01:40
DocScrutinizer	take care about your USB port anyway, they're notorious to fall off the PCB when not treated like a raw egg	01:40
merlin1991	so drop one of those instaed of the pc-suitemode.sh (don't know the actual filename) and you can have it run whenever you press the button :)	01:40
tcatm	I see. Well, maybe I can tie something to a dbus event.	01:41
DocScrutinizer	too complex	01:41
DocScrutinizer	on N900/fremantle we're free to tweak all sorts of config files and scripts in /etc	01:42
DocScrutinizer	so linking sth into ifup, or doing like merlin1991 suggested will probably do	01:42
DocScrutinizer	~usb-networking	01:42
infobot	usb-networking is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking	01:42
DocScrutinizer	btw, for tie-ing (wtf is the rigth word?) sth to dbus msgs there's a great pks named dbus-scripting	01:44
DocScrutinizer	pkg even	01:44
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: pc<tab><tab>: pcsuite-disable.sh pcsuite-enable.sh	01:45
tcatm	I see. I'll probably write a tiny daemon to do the work. I have a small crypto handshake in mind so my phone can be sure it is indeed connected to my laptop and only then run some sync scripts.	01:45
SpeedEvil	Meh.	01:46
DocScrutinizer	:nod:	01:46
* SpeedEvil got loads of WONTFIX notifications on bugs.		01:46
DocScrutinizer	I do that via ssh with keys	01:46
SpeedEvil	Which regrettably aren't unrealistic or really arguable.	01:46
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: yup	01:46
merlin1991	crypto handshake? Just ssh against known pub key and if not correct ABORT :D	01:46
DocScrutinizer	Andre_ announced that	01:46
merlin1991	SpeedEvil: for harm?	01:46
SpeedEvil	merlin1991: fremantle	01:46
DocScrutinizer	nope, fremantle	01:47
tcatm	Well, the handshake would also setup USB tethering. I don't want to expose that to everyone.	01:47
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: see #maemo-ssu	01:47
merlin1991	again just try to ssh into your laptop and base everything on that :D	01:47
DocScrutinizer	you don't want to use USB at all, if you can use WLAN	01:48
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DocScrutinizer	just for sake of USB receptacle	01:48
tcatm	A USB receptacle can be replaced easily and I need it to power the phone anyway.	01:48
merlin1991	SpeedEvil: I'm still in the dark about the bugs	01:49
DocScrutinizer	there are guys that prefer to charge their battery in external charger, rather than plug in USB fastcharger	01:49
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DocScrutinizer	tcatm: this receptacle possibly is impossible or at least very hard to fix, once it ripped off the pads from PCB	01:50
DocScrutinizer	~usbfix	01:50
infobot	hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and NEVER use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)	01:50
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DocScrutinizer	on a sidenote I never had any issues with any of my 2 devices here, and I'm plugging at least one of them 1+ times a day	01:51
DocScrutinizer	depending on your luck and particular hardware, YMMV	01:51
SD69	merlin1991: Nokia is not fixing fremantle bugs anymore	01:52
DocScrutinizer	HEY SD69 !!!	01:52
ShadowJK	haven't for quite some time :P	01:52
DocScrutinizer	rare guest	01:52
merlin1991	oh hey SD69, though that Nokia is not fixing fremantle bugs was kind obvious since some time already	01:52
tcatm	btw. How does the n900 resolve DNS? resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.1 and I find that confusing.	01:53
ShadowJK	dnsmasq	01:53
merlin1991	tcatm: dnsmasq	01:53
DocScrutinizer	yup	01:53
merlin1991	since DocScrutinizer pointed towards #maemo-ssu I thought SpeedEvil was talking about cssu specific bugs and we didn't have that much wontix resolves yet	01:53
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DocScrutinizer	nah, but that one thing about bug 8347 is clearly CSSU and I'd like to add according comment to bugtraq	01:55
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available	01:55
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DocScrutinizer	SD69: how's living? :-)	01:57
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DocScrutinizer	tcatm: where from you got your N900?	02:00
tcatm	DocScrutinizer: I've bought it from a friend for a few bitcoins.	02:01
DocScrutinizer	mhm. Some of us are searching for new ones	02:02
SD69	DocScrutinizer: doing good	02:02
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK, me	02:02
tcatm	Are there any new ones?	02:02
DocScrutinizer	then we'd not be searching ;-)	02:02
tcatm	Are there any other similar phones?	02:03
DocScrutinizer	well, there are - in HK, in Poland, in neverland province of ebay	02:03
DocScrutinizer	nope, and that'S the whole reason for our search :-)	02:04
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DocScrutinizer	some say N9 was similar. Some don't like N9 at all	02:04
tcatm	Does it have a keyboard?	02:05
DocScrutinizer	nope	02:05
merlin1991	nope	02:05
merlin1991	and it has software drm	02:05
DocScrutinizer	and crappy capacitive ts	02:05
tcatm	No deal :D The most important reason I got it was to use emac's orgmode on the go.	02:05
DocScrutinizer	and friggin aegis, aka what merlin said	02:05
merlin1991	imo the ts isn't crappy	02:05
DocScrutinizer	well, for you it may work, for me it's a nogo	02:06
DocScrutinizer	fact is fremantle as is wouldn't work on N9, due to way too small buttons/menu-entries	02:06
ShadowJK	wow that's some serious crappiness :)	02:07
DocScrutinizer	and forget about any sketching/painting programs, like e.g. numpty physics	02:07
merlin1991	well I use n9 as a fancy phone, not like the n900	02:08
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: for me it is	02:08
merlin1991	and for a fancy phone for browsing @ uni it works perfectly	02:08
ShadowJK	who the hell needs a phone :P	02:08
ShadowJK	phones are dead	02:08
merlin1991	SpeedEvil: what do the cool kids use nowadays?	02:08
merlin1991	err srry, meant ShadowJK	02:08
DocScrutinizer	I'm used to use my fingernails, or proper stylus, or whatever object to point to a spot on screen with max +/-1mm off	02:08
tcatm	mobile SIP client + open mesh networks = awesome :)	02:09
* ShadowJK gets about 90% success rate with thumb on N800 /stylus/ keyboard ;P		02:09
* merlin1991 gets 100% success rate with thumb on n900 keyboard, not so much on the screen though		02:10
DocScrutinizer	hehe	02:10
ShadowJK	yeah ;P	02:10
merlin1991	typing is one thing that works really well on the n900 compared to the n9 experience	02:10
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merlin1991	but the n9 is all about consuming, not creating :D	02:11
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DocScrutinizer	just one thing: (you guessed it :-P)	02:11
DocScrutinizer	~aegis	02:11
infobot	http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif	02:11
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merlin1991	SD69: did only my mailinglist subscription break, or are there really no nominations so far?	02:17
SD69	no nominations	02:18
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SD69	if indeed council's only function was to work with Nokia, then it wouldn't matter	02:20
merlin1991	SD69: any plans on nominating yourself?	02:20
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SD69	I was kind of hoping it would be unnecessary, because of lack of time	02:21
tcatm	Are there any zsh packages?	02:23
merlin1991	srly maemo.org is down	02:24
DocScrutinizer	SD69: tbh I think Nokia killed council together with maemo	02:24
merlin1991	just wanted to suggest you check maemo.org/packages (it has a search interface)	02:24
DocScrutinizer	wut, maemo.org down again?	02:25
merlin1991	seems like	02:25
DocScrutinizer	friggin crap	02:25
merlin1991	a bit OT how can I clean the ff cash for a single webpage?	02:26
merlin1991	twitter is completely unuseable for me but seems to work on other pcs / browsers / ...	02:26
tcatm	I don't think you can do that but ctrl+shift+R should force a full reload.	02:26
merlin1991	doesn't work :/	02:27
tcatm	Or maybe ctrl+F5 or something like that. I don't remember the exact shortcut.	02:27
SpeedEvil	Also - go to cookie manager - and nuke cookies	02:27
merlin1991	hm firebug shows me Component returned failure code: 0x8052000b (NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED) [nsIDOMStorage.getItem]	02:27
tcatm	http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/Keyboard%20shortcuts -> Reload (override cache) > ctrl+shift+F5	02:28
SpeedEvil	Check you're not out of disc	02:28
SpeedEvil	Wacky stuff can happen	02:28
ShadowJK	ctrl-shift-r on n900 causes unwanted rotations :P	02:28
merlin1991	ShadowJK: removed with newest cssu-t ;)	02:28
merlin1991	nah I know for sure I messed up my ssd at some point and corrupted shitloads of files	02:28
SD69	DocScrutinizer: sure, Nokia has moved on and council (at least I) haven't	02:32
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DocScrutinizer	move on to redmond defined disneyland from a sane place? I'm glad you didn't	02:36
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merlin1991	all the reload override cache things didn't work	02:39
merlin1991	purging the html5 local store on the other hand did	02:39
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teotwaki	sup #maemo	02:39
Macer	ok... i think i HAVE to use this n810 as a box now... my damn artigo broke	02:39
Macer	ugh	02:39
SpeedEvil	What's an artigo?	02:39
Macer	via based tiny pc	02:40
Macer	asian so it only lasts 5 years	02:40
SpeedEvil	ah	02:40
Macer	like everything else that comes out of asia	02:40
teotwaki	hey	02:40
Macer	i need to get something to replace it	02:40
teotwaki	my girlfriend comes from asia!	02:40
teotwaki	oh, and fyi	02:40
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Macer	lol	02:40
crashanddie	I said SUP MAEMO	02:40
SpeedEvil	hey	02:40
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merlin1991	SUP CRASHANDDIE	02:40
merlin1991	enough? :D	02:40
Macer	i need to figure out how to put debian on this n810	02:40
teotwaki	thar ve go	02:41
Macer	and use it as a box :)	02:41
Macer	anybody know where i can get that info?	02:41
teotwaki	Macer: did you try easydeb?	02:41
Macer	i would perfer bare metal heh	02:41
Macer	teotwaki: i was trying to avoid a chroot	02:41
Macer	my maemo install on it is messed up... keeps rebooting on its own	02:41
teotwaki	can't reflash it?	02:41
Macer	i need to reflash anyways.. figured i might be able to flash debian or something onto it	02:41
Macer	i'm even considering gentoo.. as long as it works	02:42
Macer	i'm just using it as a small server	02:42
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Macer	until i get something to throw this hard drive into	02:42
teotwaki	By the way, I've noticed andre has been busy shutting down bmo	02:42
teotwaki	kinda sad	02:42
Macer	bmo?	02:42
teotwaki	bugs.maemo.org	02:42
Macer	oh lol	02:42
Macer	i'm surprised nokia hasn't alrady pulled the plug on maemo.org	02:43
Macer	are they going to keep the domain?	02:43
teotwaki	dunno	02:43
teotwaki	I'm getting it if it goes	02:43
SpeedEvil	teotwaki: :/	02:43
Macer	LOL	02:43
merlin1991	SD69: any ideas about maemo.org?	02:43
Macer	yeah that's kind of messed up	02:43
teotwaki	SpeedEvil: feeling the pinch as well?	02:43
SD69	DocScrutinizer: no one sane was going to leave maemo for redmond, it's meego that peeled some people away	02:43
SpeedEvil	teotwaki: I got several WON'TFIX	02:43
teotwaki	yeah	02:43
SpeedEvil	teotwaki: Reasonable - but depressing.	02:43
DocScrutinizer	SD69: yup	02:43
Macer	SpeedEvil: even when maemo was in its prime everythign was wontfix	02:44
Macer	heh	02:44
teotwaki	I got almost a hundred emails that it's shutting down	02:44
Macer	i remember when i asked for bt keyboard support and they marked it as wontfix	02:44
Macer	since m4 had it and m5 didn't	02:44
Macer	wtf? :)	02:44
Macer	i hate nokia	02:44
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DocScrutinizer	but meego is dead^2, while maemo is only said to be dead, you see the evidence of contrary here	02:44
SpeedEvil	I imagine there are things nokia would fix on fremantle. But they are solely of the variety that 'virus causes phones to make 911 calls'	02:44
Macer	LOL	02:44
Macer	that would be an awesome virus :)	02:44
merlin1991	well the fix for the certificates wasn't exactly necessary	02:45
merlin1991	still they did it	02:45
Macer	have it just send the sounds of someone being choked to death	02:45
SpeedEvil	Playing sounds of screaming.	02:45
ShadowJK	teotwaki, andre has used that same message in bugzilla for year and half now :P	02:45
Macer	yeah haha	02:45
SD69	merlin1991: I think it's broken for good - time will come when itfor maemocommunity.org or	02:45
teotwaki	ShadowJK: yeah, but he's been speeding up	02:45
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teotwaki	heck, I still have an app in the repos that sends all texts and contacts and whatnot to /dev/null	02:45
merlin1991	SD69: we'd need a db dump of the forums though	02:45
Macer	hahaha	02:46
teotwaki	just to prove that the QA process was broken, and malicious apps could steal all the data they wanted	02:46
SD69	smerlin1991: the forums? is that a joke?	02:46
merlin1991	teotwaki: what is it called?	02:46
teotwaki	merlin1991: don't remember, some stupid calculator app	02:46
teotwaki	SuperCalc or something	02:46
merlin1991	SD69: not joking, one has to preserve all the trollposts	02:46
Macer	is that why my damn txts weren't working???	02:46
* SpeedEvil sighs at market failure.		02:46
Macer	:-P	02:46
Macer	oh well... maemo still has a bit of a following	02:47
SpeedEvil	I want to buy a non-widescreen laptop.	02:47
teotwaki	SpeedEvil: good luck	02:47
Macer	maybe they'll sel lit to skype.. oh wait... ms already bought them	02:47
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merlin1991	SD69: but honestly tmo holds some valuable info, though the wiki would be a higher priority for me	02:47
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SpeedEvil	I'm actually pondering making one from an ipad2 display and a pandaboard.	02:47
SpeedEvil	I have an awesome case for it.	02:47
Macer	i'm charging my n810 to put something on it	02:47
Macer	heh	02:47
Macer	damn thing has a layer of dust 3" thick on it	02:47
teotwaki	I gave my n900 to my girlfriend	02:47
Macer	i had to use windex :)	02:47
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teotwaki	she's happily using it to text and place the occasional call	02:48
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Macer	heh	02:48
teotwaki	and almost completely unaware it runs linux or that it could connect to the wifi	02:48
Macer	it can???	02:48
Macer	:)	02:48
teotwaki	:)	02:48
teotwaki	MohammadAG: get the fuck in here	02:48
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merlin1991	Macer: not if you manage to break wlancond with for example autodisconnect	02:49
merlin1991	teotwaki: Mag is more around in the week than on weekend	02:49
Macer	heh	02:49
teotwaki	I'm writing a C++ application server	02:49
teotwaki	I talked to him about it here	02:49
woodong50	hi	02:49
Macer	i'm confused as to why this n810 doesn't boot	02:49
Macer	it isn't like i did anything special to it	02:50
teotwaki	Am planning the initial release sometime around this summer	02:50
Macer	other than drop it on concrete like a year ago lol	02:50
merlin1991	odd thing about todays maemo.org downtime is that it's the regular page and not tmo that is broken	02:50
merlin1991	teotwaki: does it do anything fancy?	02:50
teotwaki	merlin1991: it's awesome?	02:50
merlin1991	in what way?	02:50
merlin1991	awesome like pulseaudio?	02:50
Macer	hahaha	02:51
merlin1991	bah maemo.org package search still is down	02:52
SD69	merlin1991: should we figure out the repos and build service first?	02:52
merlin1991	actually repos are piece of cake	02:52
merlin1991	build service is harder	02:52
merlin1991	but wiki	02:52
merlin1991	wiki is 100% pure information	02:52
Macer	i need to get an adapter and a damn sdhc for this friggin n810 for this	02:52
Macer	ugh	02:52
teotwaki	It's seriously high performance, the web part will saturate two gigabit ethernet connections on a single core :)	02:52
Macer	better just to track down a piece of crap laptop just to get my server up and running	02:52
teotwaki	merlin1991: that's how awesome it is :)	02:52
Macer	good thing the hard drive is still goo	02:52
Macer	d	02:52
merlin1991	SD69: if we seriously consider keeping the community alive post maemo.org we need the content of the wiki avaiable to new/all devs	02:53
merlin1991	it's still the #1 lookup place for anything maemo system related	02:53
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teotwaki	merlin1991: my primary job is as a voip server architect, so obviously i wrote some SIP PoCs, I can handle 2-3k simultaneous calls -- our current proprietary stack handles 600 tops.	02:54
SpeedEvil	Awesome!	02:55
teotwaki	I can load, unload, upgrade parts of the code as the server runs, without requiring a shutdown or restart, which is awesome for uptime	02:55
SpeedEvil	I've always wanted to handle 2000 calls on my n900.	02:55
SpeedEvil	:)	02:55
teotwaki	haha	02:55
SpeedEvil	Actually I'm about to setup a SIP 'main' phone-number, for cost reasons.	02:56
teotwaki	it'll run on the n900, though I can't guarantee performance.	02:56
SpeedEvil	As wackily - I can get BTs 'low user rate' - if I have a broadband connection.	02:56
SpeedEvil	And do most of my calls over that.	02:56
teotwaki	I hear ya SpeedEvil	02:57
teotwaki	I came back from Australia nearly two years ago now	02:57
teotwaki	And France does provide seriously good benefits when it comes to internet and phone lines.	02:57
SD69	merlin1991: does an OBS with harmattan and fremantle targets makes sense post maemo.org?	02:57
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: I suggested to mirror the wiki (aka wget it) some year ago - back when you all laughed at me, despite me telling you you never will get a warning prior to shutdown	02:59
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer: I had nokia people tell me we'll get notice prior to shutdown (if it shuts down)	02:59
teotwaki	SpeedEvil: my ISP recently got into mobile phones... unlimited calls to landlines and mobiles to france, unlimited calls to landlines around the world (most of it anyway, roughly 40 countries), unlimited data (fair use of 3GB, lowered speed afterwards), unlimited texts and mms's: 16euros (14 quid)	04:00
merlin1991	SD69: about obs I have no Idea, I heaven't used any obs so far	04:00
DocScrutinizer	yeah, and Nokia's word always been good for <fill in whatever you like>	04:00
SpeedEvil	teotwaki: That's quite good!	04:00
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer: hope for the best and prepare for the worst :)	04:00
merlin1991	though prefereable I'd get a db dump for the wiki somehow instead of letting wget run mad	04:01
teotwaki	oh, and no 24-month or anything. No subscription fees, and no cancellation fees.	04:01
DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: yeah, so hope for "hey folks, wiki been down for 2 weeks now. It turned out it's just too much work to put it into working shape and condition again, so we decided we'll turn it down completely on end of this month. Until then it stays in limbo state"	04:02
teotwaki	And from the management console, you can freely change whether or not you want your contract to allow calls or anything that are not included in the contract	04:02
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SpeedEvil	teotwaki:The most awesome ISP I've seen is andrews and arnold, for mobile.	04:02
teotwaki	they also created the cheapest contract ever: 2 euros. You get 60texts and 60 minutes for that. Because we're a customer of their DSL offer, we got that one for free.	04:03
SpeedEvil	http://aaisp.net.uk/telecoms.html	04:03
SpeedEvil	You can be your own APN	04:03
teotwaki	any text after those 60 cost 1 cent... That's ten times cheaper than most other operators	04:03
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DocScrutinizer	merlin1991: btw you'd need a db copy for any proper offline wikireader app anyway. Nokia never seemed like they'd be in love with this idea either	04:04
teotwaki	SpeedEvil: that's pretty sweet	04:04
teotwaki	SpeedEvil: I'll have to remember that when I move back to the UK.	04:04
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teotwaki	I'm starting to enjoy seeing decent companies again	04:07
teotwaki	I feel we've been getting fucked for long enough	04:07
teotwaki	I don't mind paying a tiny bit more for people with good ethics, and who try to be "fair".	04:08
SpeedEvil	If only it was happening in the mobile space.	04:08
SpeedEvil	And in some cases the market is really very, very narrow.	04:08
SpeedEvil	For example - try to buy a 4:3 laptop.	04:08
teotwaki	heh	04:08
SpeedEvil	Or one even with 140dpi	04:08
teotwaki	I just bought a new computer, desktop	04:08
teotwaki	I wanted a 4:3 screen	04:09
teotwaki	Had I pushed for it, I would've paid 4-5 times more.	04:09
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SpeedEvil	They are just about available still.	04:09
SpeedEvil	Bit you can get a 30" widescreen cheaper than a 20" 4:3	04:10
SpeedEvil	- same vertical height	04:10
teotwaki	yeah	04:10
teotwaki	I've tried using a couple of screens in portrait	04:10
teotwaki	it sucks	04:10
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SpeedEvil	Portrait is fail.	04:10
SpeedEvil	Especially with widescreen - it's too narrow	04:10
teotwaki	well, it would be good for most work us geeks do	04:10
teotwaki	I mean, my code fits nicely, and for documents it's pretty good as well	04:10
teotwaki	I've just learned to use vim and :vsp.	04:11
SD69	merlin1991: DocScrutinizer: Nokia seems to think they have never "promised" us anything - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1157882&postcount=710	04:11
SpeedEvil	But the 30" ones - with 1600 vertical pixels - are probably good - if you have the desk space and cash.	04:11
SpeedEvil	- looking for a second hand one	04:11
teotwaki	I went for a good quality (colour and contrast/response times) 22" widescreen rather than whatever	04:12
SpeedEvil	Promised - in a manner that a legal case would succeed to force them - probably not.	04:12
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SD69	SpeedEvil: exactly	04:15
SpeedEvil	It would be interesting to see some of the internal reasoning.	04:16
SpeedEvil	- why n9 wasn't released in UK/US	04:16
auenf	internal reasoning was cause n9 was only launched in strong symbian areas?	04:21
auenf	US is definately not a strong nokia area, let alone symbian	04:21
SpeedEvil	UK was.	04:21
SpeedEvil	To a reasonable degree	04:21
auenf	US is threoretically a strong windows phone area tho	04:21
auenf	is UK a strong windows phone area?	04:22
SpeedEvil	I think windows phone 7 has lived up to its promise in the UK.	04:22
SpeedEvil	It's sold 7.	04:22
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LaoLang_cool	hello, is maemo's offical develpment dead?	04:24
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LaoLang_cool	Another question, the picture size in fmms' mms is too small, so I set the "Resize to" to Large under fmms' setting, but it doesn't work at all, what's wrong?	04:27
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Macor	robbiethe1st: i meant without a chroot ;)	05:43
robbiethe1st	uh	05:45
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LaoLang_cool	Hi, morning, has maemo's development by nokia been dead already?	05:47
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Macer	already? :)	05:50
Macer	it has been dead for like....... years	05:51
Macer	heh	05:51
LaoLang_cool	oh..	05:51
LaoLang_cool	kay..	05:51
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Macer	you asked earlier about me installing debian on the n810	05:55
Macer	and said easydeb.. but i said i didn't want to use a chroot if i could avoid it	05:55
Macer	;)	05:55
LaoLang_cool	Macer: me?	05:57
Macer	no	05:57
Macer	robbiethe1st:	05:57
LaoLang_cool	ok :)	05:57
Macer	ah well.. going to test out this lenovo thinkpad as a server since my artigo broke	05:57
Macer	:(	05:57
robbiethe1st	Yeah, well...	05:57
robbiethe1st	I don't even have a N810, but I figured a chroot would at least work	05:58
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Macer	yeah it would	06:04
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Macer	i was trying to run it without the need to run maemo .... i'll track down gentoo i suppose i remember luke-jr working on that garbage distro on the n810	06:05
luke-jr	f u	06:06
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Macer	LOL	06:57
Macer	damn luke-jr .... didn't even notice you were here :)	06:57
Macer	my n900 doesn't seem to be keeping its battery life long enough	06:57
Macer	how long is an n900 supposed to last without touching it with the screen off?	06:59
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robbiethe1st	Macer: if no programs are running? several days	07:02
robbiethe1st	If programs are still running? 8-24 hours	07:02
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Macer	hm. does that include widgets?	07:04
Macer	or do those turn off when the scren is off?	07:04
Macer	i'm going to leave it alone and see how long it lasts... seems to be draining much faster than normal but then again i use it constantly but it seems off	07:05
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SpeedEvil	Macer: 4 days+	07:13
SpeedEvil	Macer: also - powertop	07:13
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SpeedEvil	and the battery meter script	07:14
SpeedEvil	Also - batteries purchased when the n900 is new will now have a ridiculous amount of internal resistnace.	07:14
SpeedEvil	even a 1.99 one from ebay is an improvement	07:14
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robbiethe1st	New battery wise, I recommend the ~$10 Japod ones off DealExtreme	07:25
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Macer	i am using the $1.99 ebay ones ;)	07:30
Macer	lol	07:30
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Macer	i will try out powertop	07:30
Macer	i dont see a powertop	07:31
Macer	is it in devel or testing?	07:32
psycho_oreos	most likely in devel but could also be in testing	07:32
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Macer	hm	07:47
Macer	powertop is segfaulting	07:48
SpeedEvil	http://www.mauve.plus.com/powertop	07:52
SpeedEvil	I have no idea if this is the same version - WFM though	07:52
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Macer	goddamn	08:27
Macer	margaret thatcher was awesome	08:27
Macer	SINK IT!	08:27
Macer	lol	08:27
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LaoLang_cool	hello	12:04
LaoLang_cool	any fmms user? picture i mms of fmms is too small, can I get it larger?	12:05
LaoLang_cool	s/\<i\>/in	12:05
LaoLang_cool	I've set "Resize to" to large, but it doesn't work, or maybe it's another meaning that I misunderstand?...	12:06
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darkschneider	any way to sync n900 with icalendar format?	12:14
r00t\|home	in worst case you'll have to write some code...	12:18
lartza_	perhaps you could sync evolution with icalendar and sync n900 with evolution	12:20
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DocScrutinizer	Macer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333#post491333	12:49
DocScrutinizer	this powertop is a big mystery, as it seems nobody knows where from it originally came	12:52
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DocScrutinizer	probably Nokia "forgot to delete" it when shipping first developer/tester N900s	12:53
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DocScrutinizer	o.O powertop	13:00
DocScrutinizer	http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/	13:00
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: WTF is the surce?	13:01
DocScrutinizer	source*	13:01
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: and where's the changelog, and what are the diffs between 1.13 and 1.2?	13:04
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DocScrutinizer	dang, I'm fiddling with maemo since quite some years now, yet it never occurred to me to simly browse to http://repository.maemo.org/ on any NIT	13:23
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer: It's a package containing nokia's binary, I have no source	13:38
DocScrutinizer	why are you and this guy with unspeakable name maintainers?	13:39
MohammadAG	1.13 is the PC version, I packaged Nokia's version	13:39
MohammadAG	From the binary on tmo	13:39
DocScrutinizer	mhmmmm	13:39
DocScrutinizer	I'm running 1.13.2 here on N900 just fine	13:39
MohammadAG	Which is from PR1.0 iirc	13:39
MohammadAG	Afaik nokia's version has changes or sth	13:40
MohammadAG	Anyway, I did it for convenience	13:40
DocScrutinizer	wtf is "nokia's version"?	13:40
MohammadAG	Ask ShadowJK or SpeedEvil	13:40
MohammadAG	One of them knows	13:40
DocScrutinizer	or rather, what's NOT nokia's version?	13:40
DocScrutinizer	as metioned I got Powertop 1.13.3 here on device, quite certainly from tmo post I linked above, and it works fine and seems what everybody is using	13:42
DocScrutinizer	I foggy remember I bitched why there's no powertop on my device, when I was new to N900 (aka PR1.0)	13:44
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer: Oh 1.2 is just a bumped package version, powertop itself is 1.13 from tmo	13:45
MohammadAG	The major bump is due to some fuckup by the maemo.org packaging system	13:45
MohammadAG	It didn't accept 1.13-1 I think, don't remember exactly, this was over a year ago	13:46
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DocScrutinizer	dang, forced disconnect	13:51
DocScrutinizer	I foggy remember I bitched why there's no powertop on my device, when I was new to N900 (aka PR1.0)	13:51
DocScrutinizer	incredibly obscure history of that tool	13:51
DocScrutinizer	quite evidently what we got on N900 is only loosely related to intel's powertop	13:52
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DocScrutinizer	all hail to povbot irclogs	13:53
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: :nod:	13:53
DocScrutinizer	thanks for packaging	13:53
DocScrutinizer	mgedmin: probably it's been mentioned WAY too rarely: many thanks for povbot and logging	13:55
MohammadAG	Yw :)	13:55
DocScrutinizer	figure it! FIVE MINUTES until friggin DSL allowed reconnect. Long enough to make me think I'm obviously breathing bytes, not air	13:57
DocScrutinizer	;-D	13:57
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DocScrutinizer	(dang, msg from supervisor: "all scripts breathe bytes, you idiot")	13:58
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darkschneider	hello, anyone using syncEvolution with horde via syncML, the only info is quite outdated (2006) and looks like a bit has changed	15:02
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DocScrutinizer	I'd not expect any info from 2006 being applicable at all today	16:07
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darkschneider	DocScrutinizer: yes indeed :)	16:49
darkschneider	i'm still trying to figure it out :D at least i found the config file... but now figuring out the rest looks more complex	16:49
DocScrutinizer	darkschneider: I think there should be some better more recent info about syncing at large in wiki	16:51
DocScrutinizer	no idea how much this is applicable to your particular usecase though	16:51
darkschneider	mmmm i'll regoogle if you say so	16:51
darkschneider	yeah, but i did not found much, so let's look again, syncML is not that uncommon... (that why i installed horde on our productions server at first :D )	16:52
DocScrutinizer	WTF happened to wiki layout??	16:55
DocScrutinizer	http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=sync&searchx=Search	16:56
DocScrutinizer	MEH there's an almost invisible search textbox uper right. Anybody else "seeing" this as grey in grey, without any label?	16:57
DocScrutinizer	darkschneider: is http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync/Usage_of_syncevolution what you were looking for?	16:59
darkschneider	(thanks on phone)	16:59
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DocScrutinizer	http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=syncml&go=Go	17:04
darkschneider	(re, you know sunday.. gf calls, thanks for help, looking at links now)	17:05
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darkschneider	ok the first two results and the other are the one i was looking at already, daly they do not offer much insight :(	17:07
darkschneider	indeed, horde, even if listed as supported, does not have a template ready, this is because horde is not a company offerend service, but it'a a framework (sorry if i'm saying something obvious to you, do not want to be offensive)	17:08
darkschneider	i wonder if i can find a way to contact one of syncevolution guys and updated the wiki with his help	17:09
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darkschneider	DocScrutinizer: just to give away some happyness, i do not know how i managed to sync calendar... for contacts i'm working on it... so it's possible to have it work	18:04
DocScrutinizer	cool	18:04
DocScrutinizer	comsider to update the wiki, please :-)	18:05
darkschneider	yeah, if i manage to make contacts work i will for sure, it's needed	18:05
DocScrutinizer	indeed	18:05
darkschneider	none should be condamned to spend 6 hours on it like me :D	18:05
DocScrutinizer	much appreciated, thanks a lot	18:05
darkschneider	but wait... contacts are still to make work...	18:06
DocScrutinizer	I'm sure each detail on what you found is valuable, even when you get stuck somewhere	18:06
DocScrutinizer	so thers could avoid same deadends and continue where you stopped (in case you actually get stuck, or lose interest)	18:07
DocScrutinizer	others*	18:08
darkschneider	yep you right, bettter i write some lines just now	18:08
darkschneider	ok time for anoteh registration on a wiki :D	18:08
DocScrutinizer	it's awiki, it doesn't mind frequent edits, as long as they aren't too messy	18:08
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DocScrutinizer	and for the really "volatile" stuff there's a discussion page backed up on each wiki page	18:09
DocScrutinizer	a widely unrealized and underrated feature	18:10
darkschneider	i see, as usual but if there is any detail i should know say me	18:10
DocScrutinizer	no special details	18:10
DocScrutinizer	just do yourself and reviewers a favour and register	18:10
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DocScrutinizer	it's way more convenient to edit wiki when you're registered	18:11
DocScrutinizer	and we don't need to review every single little edit of yours once we know you're not a spammer	18:12
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DocScrutinizer	try to keep in mind this wiki is about maemo, not about N900	18:14
darkschneider	argh right, that will be a problem	18:15
darkschneider	as it's the only maemo device i have tried, so i do not know differences	18:15
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DocScrutinizer	no problem, just don't forget to set your topics right, so othwrs know what you're actually talking about	18:17
DocScrutinizer	especially think twice befoe you "fix" things that seem to be ncorrect for N900	18:18
DocScrutinizer	they might be meant for older maemo versins, and somebody else has missed to set his topics right	18:19
darkschneider	k	18:19
DocScrutinizer	if in doubt, just ask here for a review	18:19
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DocScrutinizer	to get an idea about the "problem", just look at flashing page content as well as history ;-)	18:24
DocScrutinizer	~flashing	18:24
infobot	it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	18:24
darkschneider	i see	18:25
DocScrutinizer	last resort was me adding >>This page has seen massive edits to get it in line with N900 details of flashing. N8x0 owners might want to have a look to older versions, like http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&oldid=17120 <<	18:25
darkschneider	lol poor	18:25
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darkschneider	ok starting to edit	18:26
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darkschneider	DocScrutinizer: should i sign?	19:10
DocScrutinizer	sign as in "---" (or whatever it was)? nah, not on front pages, but for sure on discussion pages	19:10
DocScrutinizer	sign as in "register/sign-in": sure!	19:11
darkschneider	ok ready for your reading if you have time: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync/Usage_of_syncevolution#Horde	19:11
DocScrutinizer	I'll give it a cursory look	19:12
darkschneider	i meant as to signature, thanks	19:12
darkschneider	so i can edit and fix things if you find terrible stuff	19:12
darkschneider	hey you have to follow your name! I try to be dark and schnider all the time :)	19:12
darkschneider	ok found a typo. if you find more, say so i make one edit for all typos	19:14
DocScrutinizer	looks pretty fine :-)	19:14
DocScrutinizer	sorry no time to give it a thorough proofread now, will come back to it later	19:15
DocScrutinizer	many thanks!	19:16
darkschneider	no prob :) really thanks already for all your time :)	19:17
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DocScrutinizer	YW	19:17
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merlin1991	darkschneider: found a few typos: I did not test it/ Now press the title bar/ but add/ any more detail/ or the sync style	19:50
Macer	DocScrutinizer: lol. well it is segfaulting	19:51
DocScrutinizer	eh?	19:51
Macer	poeertop	19:51
Macer	from the devel repo	19:52
DocScrutinizer	hmmm	19:52
Macer	i just removed the widgets	19:52
Macer	and will see if they are the cause of the drain	19:52
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DocScrutinizer	the one from tmo .zip just works for me	19:53
Macer	hm	19:53
Macer	where is it?	19:53
Macer	i will download it	19:53
Macer	the repo one is broken	19:54
Macer	i am losing power somewhere and dont know where	19:54
Macer	algthough.. i am using battery eye to see the power drain. during use i really lose it but that is understandable	19:55
Macer	but when idle i am still only getting arounf 10 hrs	19:55
Macer	around	19:55
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DocScrutinizer	I pasted the link already	20:15
DocScrutinizer	see backscroll	20:15
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Macer	ugh	21:12
Macer	i want to run	21:12
Macer	and ecoach and the gps is taking forever to lock	21:12
Macer	wtf?	21:12
Macer	isnt agps supposed to help with this?	21:12
DocScrutinizer	yes	21:13
DocScrutinizer	what's your supl server?	21:13
Macer	the nokia one	21:13
DocScrutinizer	forget it, use google	21:14
Macer	is there a better one?	21:14
Macer	what is google's?	21:14
DocScrutinizer	same, just google	21:14
Macer	supl.google.com?	21:14
DocScrutinizer	yup iirc	21:14
Macer	wow lol	21:15
DocScrutinizer	works?	21:15
Macer	once i put it in it locked lol	21:15
DocScrutinizer	heh	21:15
DocScrutinizer	:-D	21:15
Macer	nice :)	21:15
DocScrutinizer	actually not nice - of Nokia	21:15
Macer	yeah	21:16
Macer	as long as it works tho... ok... let me get my run on lol	21:16
darkschneider	merlin1991: thanks, fixing them now	21:22
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darkschneider	Macer: it is taking forever.. i never managed to improve it without a small trick: open maep, no idea why, but with that open localization become much faster (i tested also the same with ovi maps...)	21:37
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Macer	nice	22:20
Macer	that thing locked like a champ .. thanks :)	22:20
Macer	darkschneider: it seemed to lock on almost 20secs after i changed from supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com	22:20
Macer	don't know if it was that or it just finally locked on but it worked great	22:20
Macer	ecoach kind of sucks tho..but it gets the job done :)	22:21
darkschneider	yah ecoach miss features	22:21
darkschneider	i think author needs stilumus	22:22
darkschneider	since the base is very good	22:22
Macer	well.. it isn't as good as endomondo on android at the least	22:22
darkschneider	true, but it's a problem of userbase	22:22
Macer	but it still works well enough	22:22
Macer	maybe... lazy n900 users don't want to work out :)	22:22
darkschneider	i have to say that battery wise it's good also	22:22
Macer	only people with iphones work out heh	22:22
darkschneider	eheh yeah	22:22
darkschneider	naa ihpone people use the app to show they have the app	22:23
Macer	lol	22:23
darkschneider	they just start it "because it's cool" :D	22:23
Macer	well.. some of them run with it strapped to their arm to show they have an iphone every now and then	22:23
Macer	nobody cares about my n900 :(	22:23
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Macer	i bet they would if i started shooting the built in death ray at them	22:24
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darkschneider	and they think it's cool to share around. When i learned course length and such, i stopped needing ecoach to track my progress :D Sad enough i bout the very nice polar wearlink bt sensor, but it's the only one not supported! don't do my name error... if you buy a sensor get anohter (even if the sensor quality will be lower and price higher)	22:24
darkschneider	i hears they have an app against death rays called iDodge, but not sure they are really enough a.g.i.l.e. to use it :D	22:25
darkschneider	(what a terrible coder joke.. ok sorry... i'll go back trying to have things done)	22:26
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vizzy	hi. is it right that there was a powerkernel update a few days before?	22:36
vizzy	i ask because i updated to the new version as my n900 suggested. now some of the apps wont run. e.g. wlan gets unstable, bleeding edge drivers wont load, marble wont start, ans some other apps that were working nicely before stopped working or exit unexpected	22:37
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vizzy	im confused about all the shorts, OC, SR etc	22:48
vizzy	can i revert to kp49 somehow?	22:48
freemangordon	vizzy, you need bleeding edge drivers kompiled against KP50, see the thread on TMO on how to get them	22:50
freemangordon	*compiled	22:50
vizzy	i read something about that, yes	22:50
vizzy	but i have no clue how to do it	22:50
vizzy	tmo?	22:51
freemangordon	talk.maemo.org	22:51
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vizzy	ah, already there, reading through the kp50 thread, which is confusing me much more	22:51
freemangordon	why?	22:51
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vizzy	because my english isnt that good and i dont understand all the shorts	22:54
vizzy	what is sr?	22:54
vizzy	oc is over clocking i 'guess' after a while	22:54
Sicelo	Smart Reflex	22:54
freemangordon	aah, that stands for SmartReflex	22:54
vizzy	ok, and what is smart reflex? *g sorry to ask , but i heard that before, or i see an option somewhere but i have no clue what it does	22:55
vizzy	or if i have it activated or not :)	22:55
freemangordon	promises to use abbreviations never again on talk.maemo.org	22:55
freemangordon	vizzy, better use it, it should give you better battery life	22:55
vizzy	ok, if i find the option again i will enable it	22:56
freemangordon	otherwise just google for smartreflex, there are good explanations over the internet	22:57
freemangordon	vizzy, where do you expect to find that option?	22:57
vizzy	but i really would like to have my old kp49 back, it was working nice, i didnt expect problems after updating to kp50, but now a lot of apps are going crazy it seems	22:57
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vizzy	freemangordon, tell me	22:57
freemangordon	vizzy, KP50 should be more stable than KP49, what overclocking profile do you use? or do you use some fancy application to set up kernel-power and overclocking?	22:58
vizzy	overclocking profile? no, i had a widget running on the desktop that let me select cpu speed....	22:59
darkschneider	yess :)) did it, ok updating the guide so that eveybody cn sync with horde :) ( i'm sure there is at least one other sysadmin in the world that want that his phone get synced with horde)	22:59
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freemangordon	vizzy, which widget is that?	22:59
vizzy	good question, it always has gone after a reboot, like most widgets	22:59
freemangordon	what?	23:00
vizzy	maxCPU is its name	23:00
vizzy	freemangordon, yes, for me i cant add widgets to desktop that will stay there after a reboot	23:00
freemangordon	well, that is not normal. at all	23:01
NIN102	your system is messed up.	23:01
freemangordon	:nod:	23:01
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vizzy	grml :)	23:02
freemangordon	vizzy, do you have root access enabled. i.e. rootsh?	23:02
vizzy	qcpufreq let me select smartreflex, i enabled it now	23:02
vizzy	freemangordon, yes, i use ssh for this	23:02
freemangordon	good	23:02
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