IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-03-24

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Ville-got some problems with flashing my n90000:41
Ville-Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA00:41
Ville-Suitable USB device not found, waiting.00:41
Ville-flashing the EMMC00:41
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Ville-and connected the device and did press U on the keyboard00:41
Ville-so it did enter to the flashing mode00:42
Ville-yellow light is on00:42
Ville-and windows said "blim" so it did detect the device00:42
Ville-got any clue?00:42
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psycho_oreosVille-, maybe 64bit windows and using 32bit binary flashing? maybe you need to be administrator? maybe you have some other program that is controlling the USB port?01:13
infobotwell, maemo-flashing is
psycho_oreosread that, and also check tmo (if they are still up of course). I don't use windows but it is somewhat recommended more often that one should flash using linux01:15
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ThreeMi have no luck to flash N900 under Win7 64bit, usb device will not be found01:18
Ville-psycho yeah thats right01:18
Ville-i'm using 64bit windows and 32bit flasher01:18
Ville-will do that tomorrow with my debian laptop01:18
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Ville-i have to reflash it because i broke the dpkg and sudo packages with upgrading them01:20
Ville-and it would not fix the dependencies without reinstalling the whole system01:20
Ville-so i think reflashing would be the trick01:20
psycho_oreosflashing emmc to fix that won't work01:22
Ville-i tought it will replace the whole system with original one01:23
Ville-psycho_oreos, is there any way to fix this?01:23
psycho_oreosVille-, you need to flash it with a fiasco image not emmc. Emmc just erases personal data that's usually stored on the 29GB01:24
Ville-is fiasco earier to flash than emmc?01:24
Ville-i did read something about if i will flash the emmc then i have to flash it with fiasco image too01:25
psycho_oreosuhm I don't think there's no easier/harder, they are more or less the same.. though generally fiasco is easier to flash. Failing the flashing of fiasco usually results in semi-bricked N900, failing the flashing of emmc usually results in /home/user/MyDocs unmountable/unreadable01:26
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psycho_oreosthough if you flashed both emmc and fiasco, that does a complete wipe of your N900 back to when you first bought the device01:26
Ville-yeah. thanks for your help!01:27
DocScrutinizerhi psycho_oreos01:27
Ville-i'm exprienced with linux and especially debian distribution, but not with maemo01:27
psycho_oreoshi DocScrutinizer01:27
DocScrutinizerVille-: there's not so much special stuff in it01:27
Ville-i think there is, and thats why i broke my system01:28
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Ville-i upgraded sudo and dpkg and it just screw up01:28
Ville-with debian squeeze packages....01:28
DocScrutinizerwell, you can't upgrade maemo with arbitrary pkgs01:29
Ville-i did learn that today.01:29
DocScrutinizerthough, an upgrade of sudo was something that's much appreciated and should be possible, when done carefully01:30
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DocScrutinizer'our' sudo is do friggin outdated it doesn't even know of subdirs in config01:30
DocScrutinizerthat'S basically why we need kinky stuff like update-sudoers script01:31
DocScrutinizers/do outdated/so outdated/01:31
DocScrutinizerthat aside, there's nothing special in maemo sudo AFAIK01:32
psycho_oreosI suppose inherently apt-get won't work if dpkg is really borked?01:32
DocScrutinizerhmm prolly01:33
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psycho_oreosnasty, yeah.. I was thinking of apt-getting dpkg from maemo repositories again to see if that helps01:33
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DocScrutinizerupdating apt and/or dpkg is probably some of the trickier things to do on a linux system ;-D01:35
psycho_oreosmaybe getting the updated dpkg to somehow install the old dpkg from maemo repositories, though I suppose you could in theory do it all by hand by extracting dpkg out and installing by hand lol01:35
psycho_oreoswell yeah, they are more or less the roots of the package management system :)01:35
DocScrutinizeryou always could use an auxiliary system01:36
DocScrutinizerlike easy-debian01:36
DocScrutinizerthen install to original filesystem instead of 'local'01:37
psycho_oreosI didn't think that would be possible, but of course one needs easydebian installed beforehand, more or less01:38
DocScrutinizeryep ;-D01:38
DocScrutinizertar probably mist sane approach01:38
DocScrutinizerthe 'good ole' way01:38
psycho_oreosheh tarballs, configure && make && make install01:39
DocScrutinizerget tarball, extract to where it belongs01:39
DocScrutinizerafter all it's just a (set of) binary file(s)01:39
psycho_oreosmore or less in the data.tar.gz blob anyway01:40
DocScrutinizerso 'make install' should suffice as well, given your tarball already has the stuff prebuilt01:40
DocScrutinizerbtw, it's "sudo make install", no?01:42
psycho_oreosunder the debian (and the likes) environment yeah.. though with sudo being borked as well, things are going to be a lot more fun especially when for example the root account is either locked (passwordless for instance) or there's no su01:43
DocScrutinizereh :-P01:43
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DocScrutinizerdang, acts up. My bouncer reconnect-loops with timeuts01:45
DocScrutinizerDocScrutinizer51: ping01:45
psycho_oreosI usually set mine to a specific server instead of the `redirector'01:46
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DocScrutinizerhmm, I tried that but for some reason that failed too eventually01:46
DocScrutinizerfreenode staff laughed at me for not using chat.freenode.net01:47
psycho_oreosweird maybe it cannot connect to that server for some weird reason01:47
DocScrutinizermaybe the current server I get from geoDNS is down01:47
DocScrutinizer] [Whois] DocScrutinizer51 ist auf dem Server (Paris, FR).01:47
psycho_oreosheh I don't think there's that much to laugh about :) in my country, connections linking intercontinentally are so frail that at times even when there's no netsplits, I get huge huge amounts of lag01:48
DocScrutinizerI used to use kornbluth, but that one been down for extended period some time ago01:49
DocScrutinizernow it seems barjavel barfs up01:49
psycho_oreosyeah I've used kornbluth, then verne but now I found a local one, roddenbery01:49
DocScrutinizerfor me kornbluth is a local as it gets01:50
psycho_oreosthough I thought EU nations have one of the best interconnections compared to elsewhere no? :)01:51
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psycho_oreosmaybe a neighbouring country that has freenode IRCd might help ;)01:51
DocScrutinizernevertheless why use a french server when I got a german one some180km away01:51
DocScrutinizerjust that friggin geoDNS is not really working01:52
* psycho_oreos thinks that might be temporarily but *shrugs* its a wild guess01:53
DocScrutinizerI hope so01:53
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psycho_oreosfor now stopping wlancond is working wonders when it comes to wifi pentesting lol01:55
psycho_oreosand there goes the split01:55
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Maceranybody have any information on the best way to put debian or some other variant of linux onto an n810?08:00
Maceri' going to use it as a "box"08:00
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robbiethe1stMacer: Um, chroot?08:47
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Macerbare metal09:40
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* andre__ thinks of closing all open enhancement requests against official Maemo5 in as WONTFIX11:20
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pdanekRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin11:48
pdanekwhich one is UK and which on Global image?11:48
psycho_oreosglobal is the first one11:51
psycho_oreosI'm sure its mentioned on that firmware downloads page11:51
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andre__203 describes a region / area11:56
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pdanekthank you12:17
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Ville-again, some problems12:27
Ville-USB device found found at bus 001, device address 004.12:27
Ville-Raw data transfer EP found at EP2.12:27
Ville-Raw data transfer failed: Resource temporarily unavailable.12:27
Ville-then i tried EMMC flashing again12:28
Ville-SU_PREPARE_DATA_BLOCK_REQ terminated with error code 3.12:28
psycho_oreosit would have been more preferrable if you pasted that into pastebin12:28
psycho_oreosand which platform is that from?12:28
Ville-i'm now flashing it at linux system12:29
Ville-flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f12:29
Ville-that command12:29
Ville-let me get this thing to pastebin12:29
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povbotBug 7433: eMMC flash fails with "SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 1" on Mac OS X12:30
Ville-psycho_oreos, it transferred about 10%12:31
Ville-then it just did show up the error message12:32
Ville-it's still connected to the linux computer and it's in flashing mode12:32
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Ville-psycho_oreos, got any clue?12:52
Ville-should i flash it first with fiasco image?12:52
Ville-i'll try that12:52
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Ville-flashing currently with fiasco image12:57
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ketasi'm wondering why is that called fiasco13:08
dm8tbrtounge in cheek codenames/acronyms?13:08
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ketasno wonder flashing failed13:10
ketaswasn't so fiasco thne13:11
ketasafter all13:11
Ville-it should be called as "FixFiasco"13:12
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ColdFyrei think it's time to finally replace my n90013:19
ColdFyresecond phone and the usb port is breaking off13:19
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Ville-coldfyre: take it to the nokia care13:21
Ville-they'll repair it13:21
Ville-n900 is the best thing what i have never bought13:21
psycho_oreosthey won't repair it, they'll give you a symbian powered device13:22
ColdFyreidk, i don't mind buying a different phone13:22
ColdFyrei can't find anything hackable, though13:22
ketasthat's correct, there are no phone found like n90013:24
psycho_oreosand N900 isn't exactly a phone either :p13:24
ketaswell it has 2g/3g radio13:25
ColdFyrei guess i should rephrase, is anyone able to recommend a linux based phone/tablet that has GSM13:26
ketasactually nokia care can repair it for you13:26
ColdFyrei guess it could be android natively but flashed with some distro13:26
ketasif you really want13:26
ketasand if you pay13:26
psycho_oreosits technically called an internet tablet with phone functionality13:27
ketasat least here they repair phones too13:27
psycho_oreosketas, visited the tmo forums lately?13:27
ColdFyrefor me it's easier to buy a new device13:28
ketastmo what?13:28
ketasah that13:28
ketasdamn acronyms13:29
ketaspsycho_oreos: why?13:29
psycho_oreosColdFyre, most android devices have locked bootloader which prevents one from natively booting up alternative linux distros. Nexus variants (Nexus, Nexus S for instance) have unlocked bootloader. There's work underway for a thing called hellaphone which bypasses dalvik vm but it only supports Nexus S for now13:29
ColdFyrealso, i'm not looking at a branded phone13:31
psycho_oreosketas, there are a few threads already with N900 owners having their devices replaced with a symbian phone. Out of those having their devices replaced a few managed to get a replacement N900 back but after mucking around with the justice system13:31
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pdanekwhen I reflashed my N900, issue with disappeared13:31
pdanekit works now with Nokia source13:31
ketaspsycho_oreos: well i meant just repairing n900 in service13:31
ketaspsycho_oreos: you can ask for that13:32
psycho_oreosketas, I'm sure they won't do it, even if they do it, they probably won't do a good job on it13:32
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ketaspsycho_oreos: how come13:33
psycho_oreosketas, should check the tmo more regularly and you'll see what I mean13:33
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ketaspsycho_oreos: i mean that out local nokia service doesn't just replace components13:34
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ketaspsycho_oreos: i might actually ask if they take in phones for such repairs13:35
psycho_oreosketas, believe in whatever you want to believe in but to me nokia more or less disowned the idea of N900. I'm planning to get my USB port repaired by some other mob instead13:36
psycho_oreosfor everything else there's always tmo threads13:36
ketasof course, you need to ask what you want them to do13:38
psycho_oreosColdFyre, I personally don't think its too overly expensive if you got someone who can solder stuff properly to do it for you. If you can do it yourself it'll be even better. Your N900 still has got life in it before it becomes fully unusuable and whilst I'm not specifically suggesting that you should keep N900 as your main device, you should keep it as a linux pocket pc13:39
ColdFyrei have no problem with soldering, and tried but the connector is lifting off the pads. i just see this as a point where i should get a new device as a primary phone13:40
ColdFyrei have $ to burn, i might as well buy something high end/new13:41
ketaswell the problem is that n900 has no replacement13:41
ColdFyreso i've seen13:41
ketaseven your $$$ doesn't help13:41
ColdFyrei think in reality, i'll just need bash/vpnc/ssh on phone13:41
ketasand keyboard?13:44
ColdFyreit's a plus, but not mandatory13:44
ColdFyrei made due with the keyboard on the neo freerunner for 2 years13:45
ketasColdFyre: the forums have instructions and points on pcb where you can get your usb signals... if you want to resolder connector back13:49
pdanekNokia service is still not accepting these USB connector faults?13:50
pdanekit's global issue of these phones right?13:50
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psycho_oreosIts definitely a global issue but I think nokia just did away with swapping out the entire boards.13:52
pdanekas long as they swap it in warranty period13:53
pdanekI'm good with that13:53
psycho_oreosit was also only good until they've stopped manufacturing and that their stocks were running low. They since then have been replacing owner's N900 with some symbian crap13:53
pdanekluckily, this issue didn't happen in mine yet13:53
pdanekI see13:53
psycho_oreoslike I said, there's tmo threads about it13:53
pdanekare you awar of the little metal plate in stylus hole?13:55
pdanekI'm not sure what is it's purpose, maybe to make a pressure to stylus13:55
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psycho_oreosnever seen the metal plate let me guess, its at the far end of that hole, like the deepest end or close to it?13:55
pdanekno, it's in the start13:56
pdanekI suppose it was metal13:56
psycho_oreosahh I never seen it13:56
pdanekmaybe you can even see it I guess, but mine was released few months ago, and now it's is stick in the deepest end like you said13:57
pdanekso my stylus doesn't fit anymore, it is not inserted into the hole completely13:57
pdanekand sick of carrying my stylus alone in the bag, that's why I think about bringing to the service13:57
pdanekthey can probably easily repair it13:58
psycho_oreosthen again they probably won't13:58
psycho_oreosthere was also a tmo thread or two about the a/v jack being faulty as well13:58
pdanekthen it's epic fail from Nokia?13:58
pdanekmany N900 are still in warranty13:58
psycho_oreosnot many N900 are left in nokia's stock and I'm sure not many people would want to spend excessive time arguing with nokia just to get their N900 back13:59
ketascan't you just ask what they should do with your phone?14:00
pdanekwell before I leave it there, surely I will ask14:00
psycho_oreosif you haven't read the forums, nokia makes you sign some sort of agreement when you take your N900 in for a service14:00
pdanekin the short, what is it about?14:01
pdanekin short *14:01
pdanekthe agreement14:01
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psycho_oreosI don't know, it tells you what nokia can and can't do I suppose. I have never taken my N900 in for repairs. Though many N900 owners signed that and weren't happy when they were given some symbian phone14:01
ketasi'm going to mail service and ask if they repair n900's14:02
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freemangordonPali, ping14:16
Palifreemangordon, pong14:17
freemangordonPali, there are two patches in KP, I cannot understand what they are used for14:18
freemangordonjust a minute14:18
PaliKP is kernel-power14:18
freemangordonPali, first is block2mtd-yoush.diff14:19
freemangordonsecond is anti-io-stalling.diff14:19
freemangordonanti-io-stalling.diff, is a part of a much bigger patch which was proven to not solve desktop interactivity problem14:19
freemangordonand the first one I have NFC what exactly does and why we need it14:20
freemangordonany idea?14:20
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ColdFyremeh, i'm just going to buy a galaxy s2 or nexus14:21
Palianti-io-stalling.diff is from
povbotBug 12309: menu icon not graphical14:24
Ville-hmm, can't get cleven working14:24
Ville-always warns about incompatible kernel14:24
NIN101then you are using an incompatible kernel...14:24
Palishut up povbot14:24
freemangordonPali, it took me 3 hour yesterday to read that bug report :)14:25
psycho_oreosI'd go with nexus out of those two phones, 1) nexus has unlocked bootloader, 2) my brother has galaxy sII and he didn't like the UI how certain widgets or whatever they are called freezes and he has to reset, but resetting would mean that all his saved preferences is gone and he'll need to sest it up again14:25
Ville-i have tried original omap1 kernel and power4214:25
Ville-which one i need?14:25
Paliand about block2mtd-yoush.diff I have no idea, patch is from titan14:25
freemangordonbut at the end this patch does not seem to solve anything. and the code we have in KP is just a part of the bigger patch14:25
Palifreemangordon, in last kp50 (also I think was in >= 46) is problem with musb/charging...14:26
freemangordonabout block2mtd-yoush.diff - I googled for any similar thing, but there is nothing, I can't even find the author14:26
Ville-any suggestions for kernel compatible with cleven?14:26
freemangordonPali, what is the problem, I don't have any issues14:27
Paliif I connect my n900 to notebook usb charging port (special usb port which charge when notebook is off) DATA transfter is off14:27
Palibut if I use stock n900 I can connect it in PC-Suite/Mass Storage mode14:27
Pali*stock kernel14:28
freemangordonaah, i see14:28
Palin900 show only that charger is connected, not connected to PC14:28
freemangordonwell, maybe we should ask some of the KP developers then for help :P14:28
freemangordonPali, I can bet is is related to hostmode stuff14:28
Palimy idea is that this problem come from hostmode14:29
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freemangordonbut i don't have laptop with dedicated charging port, so it is up to you14:29
Palipatch nokia-20103103+0m5_usb.diff was disabled in KP14:29
Palibecause hostmode (maybe)14:29
Palibut is present in stock nokia14:30
freemangordondid you try pr1.2?14:30
freemangordonas this patch is from pr1.3 afaik14:30
Palino I did not try pr1.2 kernel now14:31
Paliand I have other usb problems: n900 cannot work with my USB3.0 ports14:31
PaliI will check if this is only problem in KP, or also in stock kernel14:31
freemangordonanyway, I am running out of time, bb for now14:32
Paliat least I remember that it worked last year (but I upgraded kernel on notebook - so problem can be also here)14:32
Paliping DocScrutinizer14:33
Ville-any suggestions?14:33
Ville-for kernel compatible with cleven14:33
PaliVille-, no idea what is cleven14:34
NIN101some supercool h4x0r aircrack gui.14:34
Ville-it's aircrack GUI for maemo14:34
PaliI think you need packet injection wl1251 driver14:34
Ville-so have i to compile the whole kernel by myself?14:34
Ville-to get this packet injection driver14:35
Palino, use precompiled packet injection driver14:35
Palisee TMO thread about kp5014:35
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pdanekquestion please14:45
pdanekfor exchanged N900s, original IMEI of exchanged device, will disappear from this database after a while?14:45
pdanekmeaning, Nokia cancels validity of IMEI, for replaced/exchanged devices?14:46
netkatVille- i have the kernel for power user 50, and cleven works for me, but i still prefer aircrack and kismet14:50
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Ville-netkat: okay14:51
netkatso you got it to work?14:52
Ville-just reflashed my phone and i need to install the powerkernel first14:52
netkati dont recoll any problems with instalation, but i guess it has some bug, since when i stop cleven, the battery dies soon, so i guess some process still runs after the shut down, but i havent checked which14:55
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William_Conquerocan anyone reccomend me any good console ftp client for my device? (n900 under maemo 5)15:27
William_ConqueroI can find only the next packages:
William_ConqueroI have enabled the next repos:
dm8tbrthe first one sounds like _the_ ftp client, which is strictly CLI15:30
William_Conquerodm8tbr, of course but I found that the indicated are GUI and have no suitable CLI-command :-)15:32
William_ConqueroThat seems me so strange15:33
dm8tbrWilliam_Conquero: you installed 'ftp'? and typing in 'ftp' doesn't do anything?15:37
William_Conquerodm8tbr, I tried some of them15:39
dm8tbrthat doesn't answer my question.15:40
William_Conqueron900ftp is python-based and has no CLI-command
dm8tbr13:37:24< dm8tbr> William_Conquero: you installed 'ftp'? and typing in 'ftp' doesn't do anything?15:40
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William_Conquerodm8tbr, I tried but it did not installed correctly15:40
peetahWilliam_Conquero: apt-cache search ftp cli => ncftp15:42
William_Conqueropeetah, I have the next result:
William_Conqueropeetah, I tried it too15:44
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William_Conquerobut I don't remember why I think that it is not good15:44
William_ConqueroI'll try it now15:45
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dm8tbraside from that I think midnight commander also supports ftp15:45
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William_Conquerodm8tbr, but mc works interactivly16:02
William_ConqueroI need in ftp which can run from script16:03
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William_ConqueroProbably it is possible to use /usr/bin/ncftp for it16:04
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Timmy_i have improved performance of my n900 by creating a swap partition on a class 10 microSD card and disabling the internal swap. is this method mentioned somewhere? i mean in wiki17:12
Timmy_ok, good17:17
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DocScrutinizerit's actually a rather good method17:56
* RST38h moos17:57
DocScrutinizerbut obviously has its pitfalls, e.g system crash when removing battery lid17:57
DocScrutinizermoo RST38h17:57
RST38hwhat is the blue box in this context?17:58
infobotfrom memory, rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm).  Conways game using only rational numbers17:58
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DocScrutinizererr, where's the context?17:59
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DocScrutinizer-ECHAN ?18:00
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Macerhm. my artigo just keeps crashing out on its own22:24
Macerneed to find out what is wrong with it.. maybe if i install maemo on it :-P22:24
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