IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-03-23

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szopeenforcing newer qemu got ubuntu in a strange state01:51
szopeen-f install wants to remove 942mb01:51
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mgedmin--force is rarely the right thing to do01:52
szopeenupdate manager offer partial update and just hangs for a couple of hours01:53
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mgedminand what does apt-get dist-upgrade offer you?01:53
szopeenwish reflash of ubuntu took minutes like maemo01:53
szopeentry using -f01:55
mgedminall this just from a new qemu?01:55
szopeencouple of debs of newer versions01:55
szopeenbut got tired after 5th or so01:56
szopeenwas hoping it would be a couple01:56
szopeenqemucommon, kvm, libgnutls, libpulse, libtinfo01:57
szopeenguess installing proper versions of those might fix it01:57
mgedminought to01:57
szopeenstill all versions were oneiric01:57
szopeendidn't expect that much of a prob01:58
mgedminand the base distro is what?01:58
szopeenor maybe I need to enable devel of some kind01:58
mgedminare you saying you force-installed oneiric packages onto an oneiric system and that broke everything??01:58
szopeenseems like it01:59
szopeenmight be just missing devel(ish) repo01:59
szopeenso cries not found for latest versions01:59
szopeennot sure how buntu handles that01:59
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szopeenok libpulse0 and libgnutls reinstall fixed it02:07
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LaoLang_coolHi, is there some tool for sending sms on schedual?02:14
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szopeencron + smssend?02:21
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LaoLang_coolszopeen: could you provide an example please?02:27
szopeengoogle man crontab02:27
LaoLang_coolsay I want to send a msg "Hello" to 13913900999 on 2012/03/24 08:0002:28
LaoLang_coolok, will do it02:28
szopeenthis will let you schedule running of smssend - command line sms sender02:28
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LaoLang_cooloh, I can't access to ...02:32
szopeenme neither atm02:33
szopeenseems not only talk.maemo... got problems02:33
LaoLang_coolok... will wait for its working, thank you for your help, szopeen :)02:33
szopeenrepo might be up, so apt-get install smssend could work02:34
LaoLang_cooloh, forgot it ;p02:34
szopeenthread about it is also working02:34
szopeenso you could possibly tinker, not sure though02:34
LaoLang_coolI'm reading the thread, yes, sounds it's what I'm looking for02:35
LaoLang_cooldoes clockd is a cron like app on maemo?02:37
szopeencrontab should be stock-installed02:38
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szopeennot sure what clockd offers02:38
szopeenboth give me output (though clockd error of some kind), maybe busybox power only got crontab??? usyBox v1.19.3 (Debian 1.19.3power5) multi-call binary. this one definitely has it02:40
LaoLang_cooloh, is back!02:41
szopeenyou could always keep watch -n (seconds till send) xterm window open, but that is hardly useful02:41
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LaoLang_coolszopeen: yes. and I find cron or crontab doesn't exist on stable repo, maybe I have to get them from testing or unstable repo02:51
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szopeenwhat happens when you type crontab in xterm?02:52
LaoLang_coolszopeen: -sh: crontab: not found02:54
szopeeninstall busybox-power02:54
LaoLang_coolszopeen: thanks, it sounds interesting, will do it later, my N900 can't access network currently :(02:55
szopeengot it with latest it seems, so might need devel or testing, not sure02:56
szopeenbut if you can use clockd for the same effect might be worth exploring (no idea what clockd is)02:56
szopeenif you get it running report back :)02:57
szopeengotta run02:57
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szop|afkgn all02:57
LaoLang_cooloh, what's the font name in screenshot of busybox-power at looks beautifully03:01
LaoLang_coolszop|afk: thank you!03:01
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LaoLang_cooloh, it's not called clockd, it's named alarmd ;p03:05
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loz`i cant update system repos on my n900, got ssl23_get_server_hello : unknown protocol error05:26
psycho_oreossounds like you05:27
psycho_oreosyou've removed https/ssl support?05:27
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loz`hm, how could i do that?05:28
psycho_oreosI don't know how you exactly did it, but it just sounds like https (or ssl) isn't supported or cannot be handled05:29
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loz`i'm behind transparent proxy btw, but https sites like work find05:29
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psycho_oreosI wonder if apt-proxy would help in this case, it might05:31
loz`looks like i dont have apt-proxy installed05:32
loz`i'm not a debian guy, but apt-cache search apt-proxy gives nothing05:33
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psycho_oreosyou don't run apt-proxy on N900 :) but nevertheless, umm maybe this might help?
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loz`ok, lets see05:35
loz`hm hm hm05:36
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loz`should i install bash? there is only ash by default05:36
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Evanescencehow to backup N900 on Linux with command ? I hope to backup the whole N900 disk.05:37
psycho_oreosloz`, ash should be sufficient, I personally use bash myself so bash would almost be a necessity05:38
psycho_oreosEvanescence, not with command but you can try a program called backupmenu by robbiethe1st05:38
Evanescencepsycho_oreos: I installed, but now N900 can not start backupmenu.... so I decide to backup whole N900 on Linux. like dd will clone whole disk.05:39
loz`psycho_oreos: could you tell how to properly upgrade repos from command line? :)05:40
psycho_oreosEvanescence, you do realise that dd is a very bad idea in general?05:40
psycho_oreosloz`, I don't normally upgrade via command line as I have extras-devel enabled and doing upgrades would instantly mess my setup05:41
Evanescencepsycho_oreos: I do not know which method is simple and quick for N900 to backup whole disk. but I remember that command dd has similar function to clone whole disk. Just in case of I can not start backupmenu.05:42
loz`hm, look like i mean update repos cache05:42
psycho_oreosEvanescence, in short there isn't. You can't simply backup the entire N900 through dd and you can't tar the whole thing easily. There is an alternative method that I have in mind but I have not experimented (and I wouldn't want to as its pointless)05:44
psycho_oreosloz`, apt-get update05:44
Evanescencepsycho_oreos: hmm, maybe Clonezilla can do this, but I do not know how to use Clonezilla to clone N900. Clonezilla should be able to clone different format filesystem.05:46
psycho_oreosEvanescence, even if theoretically lets say you can clone/backup through alternative means. Do you actually have a way to restore the cloned images without risking the brick? Don't forget that N900 has kernel which is inaccessible through block devices. I seriously think you're mulling over what if when backupmenu fails to work05:48
psycho_oreoserr mulling too much05:48
robbiethe1stWell, DD will actually work to back things up, if you can getr access to the block devices... which are only exposed on-device05:49
robbiethe1stSo, you have to have software setup on the device -- not on your connected PC -- to make the backuo05:50
Evanescencepsycho_oreos: well, it's true, N900 now restart over and over again. can not startup.05:50
robbiethe1stAlso, restore is an issue; again, you can't restore using DD unless you have some software on-device so you have access to the block devices. And, for the NAND flash, DD ignores bad-blocks. which makes things iffy(though it'll usually work if you are restoring to the same device).05:51
loz`psycho_oreos: ok, apt-get update works, and updated all repos, will i see new packages in app manager gui?05:51
robbiethe1st...Which is why Backupmenu doesn't use DD anymore.05:51
* psycho_oreos thinks dd is seriously not a useful tool to backup N900. 1) It'll create a rather large image of N900 which requires 32GB microSD card minimum, and 2) how the hell do you expect to restore that dd image?05:51
SpeedEvilyou don't backup mydocs05:52
psycho_oreosloz`, I'm presuming you won't05:52
robbiethe1st...Well, as far as the MyDocs partition goes, that's easy - it can be exposed over USB, so you can simply run DD for backup and restore from your PC... which hopefully has more than 32GB of space05:52
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, well yeah you run dd twice, one for rootfs and the other for maybe /opt && /home05:52
robbiethe1stIt's the partitions *other* than MyDocs that are tricky05:52
robbiethe1stEspecially since you can't expose the NAND flash over USB. At least, not that I know of. OptFS is possible, provided you're running from a ramdisk chroot and the FS isn't in use05:53
robbiethe1stI'd love to know of a way(May need a custom driver or something?) to expose the NAND partitions over USB Mass Storage...05:54
robbiethe1stAh well. I'm off. Check the backupmenu forum topic for a flashable rootfs image with backupmenu, so you can rescue the stuff in your optfs(settings/config, etc)05:55
robbiethe1strootfs is trashed if you can't boot off it, but you can save the optfs data if you like.05:56
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robbiethe1stWell, I'm off.05:56
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loz`psycho_oreos: any way to force update work in gui?05:58
psycho_oreosloz`, force update? what about that update option in HAM?05:59
loz`hm, can i run it from terminal? only there i can set these proxy variables06:00
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psycho_oreosloz`, you mean in other words, these variables are ignored under HAM?06:01
loz`well, i havent found ash rc file06:02
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HRH_H_Crabhi, i wonder if someone can help me. i am trying to install the latest cssu update but im having problems.09:39
HRH_H_Crabi think i broke something with apt-get autoremove, and now the update wont install because it wants rtcom-accounts-voip-support.09:40
HRH_H_Crabnow ive done some searching and im not the first to get this problem, however the suggest fix (apt-get install rtcom-accounts-voip-support) is failing with "no installation candidate found".09:40
HRH_H_Crabso i can only assume that ive broken my feeds / repository configuration in some way.09:41
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DocScrutinizerthat's strange09:46
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DocScrutinizerrtcom-accounts-voip-support should be in maemo base repo09:47
DocScrutinizersorry for spamming...09:48
DocScrutinizer~ # apt-cache policy rtcom-accounts-voip-support09:49
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 4.140-1+0m509:49
DocScrutinizer  Candidate: 4.140-1+0m509:49
DocScrutinizer  Version table:09:49
DocScrutinizer *** 4.140-1+0m5 009:49
DocScrutinizer        500 ./ Packages09:49
DocScrutinizer        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status09:49
HRH_H_Crablo DocScrutinizer thanks for responding.09:50
HRH_H_Crabyes, ive found it referred to in many places09:50
HRH_H_Crabbut if i try and install it tells me that no installation candidate is available.09:51
HRH_H_Crabapt-cache search shows a few other rtcom-blah packages09:51
HRH_H_Crabbut not that one ;/09:51
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DocScrutinizercheck your catalogs for
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HRH_H_CrabDocScrutinizer: i have nokia applications: and
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HRH_H_Crabjust letting ham do its thing and ill try again but i dont think it will work.09:58
DocScrutinizerdunno right now... maybe ask somebody of the repo wizards about it09:58
HRH_H_Crabwell ive made a few posts.09:59
HRH_H_Crabill stick about throughout the day and ask again when busier.09:59
HRH_H_Crabthanks for your help anyway.09:59
DocScrutinizerinstall using dpkg10:01
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HRH_H_CrabDocScrutinizer: yeah i thought of that10:02
HRH_H_Craband im possibly being a massive thicko10:02
HRH_H_Crabbut i cant seem to find binaries for it there.10:02
HRH_H_Crabi mean, if you go to the left and look at the other packages you can find .debs10:02
HRH_H_Crabbut not for this one! :|10:02
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HRH_H_Crabi think its fixed.10:03
DocScrutinizerBWAHAHA:   Maemo 5 device root filesystem (>= PR1.2)  rtcom-accounts-voip-support 4.140-1+0m5;;   Maemo 5 device SSU repository (>= PR1.2)  rtcom-accounts-voip-support 4.131-1+0m5  ---  look at the versions10:03
HRH_H_Crablooks like i have it!10:03
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HRH_H_Crabi dunno what has happened here.10:03
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HRH_H_Crabid removed those two repositorys (the nokia ones) AFTER i saw this problem.10:04
HRH_H_Crabthats why i didnt think putting them back would work10:04
DocScrutinizerSSU older than rootfs10:04
HRH_H_Crabbut it seems to have made apt rethink something.10:04
HRH_H_Crabits just installed it.10:04
HRH_H_Crabi promise you, it happened just like im describing!10:04
HRH_H_Crabim not actually crazy!10:04
DocScrutinizerI bet it did10:05
DocScrutinizeralways does10:05
DocScrutinizerthere's some severe fsckup about this and a few other pkgs10:05
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HRH_H_Crabto be fair,10:05
HRH_H_Crabthe "severe fsckup" (the one im taking credit for)10:05
HRH_H_Craboccurred when i had a thought process that went:10:06
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HRH_H_Crab"yay! apt-get autoremove! i know exactly what im doing as i am an expert!"10:06
DocScrutinizerI again bet it included "apt-get autoremove"10:06
HRH_H_Crabright im going to be late for work.10:07
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HRH_H_Crabas im not leaving th flat without shiny new cssu!10:07
HRH_H_Crabyes i know! :(10:07
HRH_H_Crabits still strange though.10:08
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HRH_H_Crabi mean the warnings are dire, and so they should be,10:08
HRH_H_Crabbut it should be easily fixed with apt-get install10:08
HRH_H_Crabi have no idea what made my repositories go crazy.10:09
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DocScrutinizernfc, sometimes some of the repo servers act strange, and maybe deliver bogus info about available pkgs etc10:15
HRH_H_Crabanyway, thanks for your technical support and spiritual (and medical) guidance.10:16
HRH_H_Crabit is much appreciated!10:16
DocScrutinizeranyway check you got the newer version of rtcom10:16
HRH_H_Crabwill do.10:16
HRH_H_Crabcssu upgraded now so all looks good.10:16
DocScrutinizerrtcom-accounts-voip-support 4.140-1+0m5 looks good to me, vs rtcom-accounts-voip-support 4.131-1+0m510:17
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DocScrutinizerwhat, what was it I got...?10:18
DocScrutinizer140, pfffooh10:18
DocScrutinizerI dunno if the difference is any noticeable, but anyway it's rather strange rootfs-version is newer than SSU version. Another indication why this problem only appears for those that updated to 1.2 via SSU, not for those who flashed (IIRC)10:20
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DocScrutinizermaybe it was other way round, as I frequently have to reinstall rtcom-voip after every cssu update10:21
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DocScrutinizerwe still seem to have not completely squished that bug10:22
DocScrutinizeras I said, sth thoroughly fsckdup in apt and repo dependencies10:22
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Krisostoomus_can anyone give me any underground movies links?10:29
Krisostoomus_Like example, if i want to watch matrix from computer, then has anyone got a link?10:30
Krisostoomus_You understand i'm talking to you?10:31
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psycho_oreosthis is not a warez channel10:34
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Krisostoomus_Thanks for the info!10:37
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DocScrutinizerkoo3: koo4 ko1 koo5   what's wrong with your clients? so many clients, no bouncer?10:42
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DocScrutinizerand what's wrong with yur client koo2? ;-D10:43
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DocScrutinizerk1o: waaah10:44
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DocScrutinizerkoo5: please check your irc client's settings, it looks to me it's picking a new nick every time $random-condition happens (roaming, joining new chan? dunno), while not dropping the old connection10:49
DocScrutinizerthis for sure is not what you want your client to do10:49
DocScrutinizerhmm, xchat10:51
DocScrutinizerI can't even figure what you did10:51
DocScrutinizeranyway that's odd for sure10:52
edheldilDocScrutinizer:  you seem to be talking with yourself10:52
DocScrutinizerwhy do you think so?10:52
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edheldilbecause koo* probably whispers to you10:52
DocScrutinizererr, ok10:53
DocScrutinizerwhatever you say10:53
edheldilnp, just found it funny10:53
DocScrutinizerwell, would you find it less funny to /kick ko*[0-9]10:54
edheldilwe should kill Baggins, my precious, we should ;-)10:54
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edheldilyou can whisper back. I did not want to offend you10:54
DocScrutinizeryou can use /whois to get a better idea what might be going on with koo10:55
DocScrutinizerI'm just trying to keep channel sane, and help users10:56
DocScrutinizerand, as we all should be aware, IRC is an async medium. No need for koo* to answer right away10:56
DocScrutinizer[2012-03-23 09:47:35] [Whois] koo5 ist seit 1 Stunde, 44 Minuten und 3 Sekunden untätig.10:57
DocScrutinizer[2012-03-23 09:47:35] [Whois] koo5 ist seit dem 2012-03-23 08:03:31 online.10:57
DocScrutinizer[2012-03-23 09:41:24] [Whois] ko1 ist seit 1 Tag, 7 Stunden, 20 Minuten und 48 Sekunden untätig.10:57
DocScrutinizer[2012-03-23 09:41:24] [Whois] ko1 ist seit dem 2012-03-13 16:26:01 online.10:57
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DocScrutinizeranyway, help yourself now, I'm off10:59
HRH_H_CrabDocScrutinizer: for what its worth i updated rather than flashing.10:59
HRH_H_Crabo.k. have a good day! and thanks again for your help earlier.10:59
DocScrutinizerHRH_H_Crab: thanks for mentioning11:00
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dafoxhi all. Since A few days ago I updated my n900 to newest CSSU (I think it's 2.1, with 1.2 already installed). Since then my phone seems to sometimes get confused about whether it is in landscape/portrait orientation.11:24
dafoxDoes anyone know what might be going on?11:24
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Sicelodafox: /join #maemo-ssu11:36
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koo5DocScrutinizer, ill look into it later,must run now:) it gets less sane when xchat misteriously disappears and i start a new one:)12:11
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ko1weird xchat..19:19
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trumeeirc from a plane is awesome.19:40
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ko1its da bomb.19:43
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ketastrumee_afk: how did you manage20:19
ketastrumee_afk: long ethernet cable?20:19
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ProteousHe just downloaded the internet to his phone before he left20:27
ketasomg i'm in his phone20:33
ketaswe all are!20:33
Proteousdamnit, I shoulda taken the blue pill20:33
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berkI have an issue with maemo and hildon desktop. I installed theme customizer and I set a new theme and next a new font. After that hildon began to hang so I remove theme customizer and hildon. Next I tried to reinstall hildon with apt-get install hildon-desktop and I get the following error =>
berkDo you know how can I resolv this ?22:21
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