IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-03-15

sopinhell I could even start some compiling during lunch break00:00
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NIN101super tip: debian 6 VM + harmattan sdk = happy compiling of this meego kernel.00:02
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Hurrian|awaydebian 6 vm = stable environment for fremantle sdk too00:03
dhbikerhows harmattan comparing to fremantle ?00:03
Hurrian|away@sopin: menuconfig on device?00:04
Hurrian|awaydoing it wrong00:04
Hurrian|awayp.s. you still need to patch that ****00:04
Hurrian|awayyou dont just patch straight over the kernel00:04
Hurrian|awayyou need to apply the meego patches00:04
Hurrian|awaythen pali's patch00:05
NIN101?00:05
NIN101simply check out their git and apply pali's patch.00:05
Hurrian|awaydon't they use obs?00:05
sopinyeah, hoping some of the patch tools will work on device00:05
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Palifor compiling you need only arm cross compiler00:06
sopingot access to my sb env 1-2h per day00:06
sopinto my phone 24h00:06
Paliand after compiling run arm strip on all *.ko modules, because modules are too big with all debug symbls00:06
sopini can get 5h on sb but it means I am skipping the night or sleeping 2-4h00:07
NIN101sopin: then why all this effort? It simply won't bootup and work, that's for sure.00:07
sopinyeah, lets all lie down and wait screaming at nokia00:08
sopinthis will definitely bring change00:08
sopinI have those 3-4h of commute, might have to look at sdk chroot00:09
sopinbeen done00:09
sopinpali: will do that, if it compiles00:10
sopindo you guys use menuconfig or just pass variables to make?00:10
Paliwhy menuconfig?00:10
sopingot 4.6 so old gcc shouldn*'t be an issue00:10
Paliall configs are defined in rx51_config00:10
sopinno idea, was hoping it allows tweaking like remove debug00:11
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sopinso no 100mb kos00:11
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Hurrian|away@Pali, rx51_defconfig as patched by your patch is missing a lot00:11
sopinit seemed to offer antidebug options00:11
Palifind . -name "*.ko" -exec arm*-strip {} ';'00:11
Hurrian|away..or just disable kernel debugging00:12
Palireplace arm* to your cross tools00:12
sopinso skip config, thanks00:12
Paliarm-linux-gnueabi-strip00:12
sopinstill damned meegokernel sources take .5 gig00:12
NIN101n800:12
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sopinbut I assume most is for other arches00:13
Hurrian|awayPali, does SGX driver need to be updated?00:13
Hurrian|awayall I got from running the kernel last night was corrupted graphics00:13
Palino idea00:13
Paliqemu using kfgles200:13
sopinshould check 12.04 driver00:13
sopinsome guys got it booting desktop00:14
sopinuse what they did, should be compatible00:14
Hurrian|awaysopin, 12.04 doesn't use the gles driver from boot00:14
peetahPali: quick question, quick answer: is there any progress on the nemo/u-boot issue ? thanks00:14
sopinhmm00:14
Hurrian|awayit uses fbdev on boot, then loads the sgx driver on starting x00:14
Palipeetah, no00:14
peetahok thanks00:15
sopinHurrian|away: any way to use what is working for mer/ubuntu?00:15
Hurrian|awayyeah, they just werk00:15
sopincrash on sgx could point to some hack for 2800:15
Hurrian|awaywait00:15
Hurrian|awayuhh, no00:15
Hurrian|awayin maemo's case, you have the kernel wanting to start kms/drm early, and xomap really early00:15
sopinthat is incompatible with newer00:16
Hurrian|awayiirc the white dots are displayed by  x00:16
Hurrian|awayprolly need to update the userspace side of sgx driver00:16
sopinwhat you just said is black magic for me00:16
sopinif it works ++++ for you00:17
sopindamned, that looks like graveyard00:17
Hurrian|awayplease read up on how the sgx driver works00:17
Hurrian|awayopen kernel stub runs closed userspace blob00:17
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sopinI am still planning on reading how kernel needs to be compiled installed00:17
sopinmonths for me :(00:18
sopinsgx will have to wait00:18
Hurrian|awayon x86 system: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- rx51_defconfig -j6400:18
sopinbtw, are you running dual fremantle/fremantle to test your exploits?00:19
sopinreflashing all the time seems a time waster00:19
Hurrian|awaynope00:19
sopinas in fremantle/maemo standard + sd/fremantle with newer tricks that crash00:19
Hurrian|awayi still need to build a fremantle kernel with ext4 and omaphsmmc modules inside to do that00:20
sopinhow do you test to not spend a lot of time restoring?00:20
Hurrian|awayi load new kernels with u-boot00:20
sopinso dual boot?00:20
Hurrian|awaydual kernel.00:20
Hurrian|awayactually, triple kernel, 3.2.11 is in the wings00:20
sopinanother reading task for me :)00:20
sopindid anyone confirm .29 crashing all things for fremantle btw?00:21
sopinjumping to .37 might be a bit big00:21
sopinpinpointing the culprit would narrow possible reasons a lot00:22
Hurrian|away.29 is a huge patch00:23
Hurrian|awayi would start there if i could get the nokia patches fixed00:23
sopinnot as big of a jump as .35 though, which works in some configs00:23
Hurrian|awaythey're huge, and the list of rejects is ass-long00:23
sopinouch00:23
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sopinHurrian|away: what exactly was your 'make...' line?00:57
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sopinor other way: how do you feed rx51_config to make?01:01
sopinand the errata01:01
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Hurrian|awaysee above01:07
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Hurrian|awaymake ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- rx51_defconfig -j6401:07
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Hurrian|awayi have a config, rx51_hsmmcboardconfig that simply makes CONFIG_EXT4=y and CONFIG_OMAPHSMMC=y01:07
Hurrian|awayallows me to boot maemo off sd01:08
Hurrian|awayWITHOUT haxxing preinit01:08
sopinbut on device?01:08
sopincrosscompile is moot01:08
Hurrian|awayi dont build on device01:08
sopinarch the same01:08
Hurrian|awayon device, it would simply be01:08
Hurrian|awaymake rx51_defconfig01:09
sopin*** Can't find default configuration "arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig"!01:09
Hurrian|awayyou didnt patch the kernel then01:10
Hurrian|awayor downloaded the wrong one01:10
sopini just downloaded the meegoN90001:10
Hurrian|awaylink01:10
sopinmeego device adaptatiob01:11
sopinn01:11
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sopinfrom git01:11
sopinone sec01:11
sopin http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaption/n900_kernel/archive-tarball/master01:11
sopinthis was supposed to be meego .3501:11
sopinnot sure now01:11
Hurrian|TWGOKuhh, that's old and unmaintained01:12
sopinoops01:12
sopinlatest change was sep 201101:13
sopinthought it was quitelively01:13
Hurrian|TWGOKhttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN90001:14
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sopinsudo mount -o remount,size=512M /tmp01:51
sopinallows opening the rpm01:51
sopinmight have overdone it with 51201:51
sopinbut the previous kernel sources took around this much01:51
sopinin xarchiver01:51
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sopinif someone has prettier way to extract huge rpms let me know01:56
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sopin80M should be enough, xarchiver tmp file got only 76mb02:03
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sopinbit of an overkill02:04
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Paliping X-Fade11:06
PaliX-Fade, I uploaded new version of kernel-power, autobuilder compiled it, but not imported to extras-devel11:06
Palisee http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/  and https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power50/11:07
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BCMMi've just been restoring backups to my new n900, and i can't seem to make Catorise work12:14
BCMMit says "unable to install catorise", though it does then appear on the list of installed programs12:15
BCMMthen when i try to update, it's "unable to update catorise"12:15
Siceloi don't recall if HAM has some error log, but i suppose so - check that, maybe paste it somewhere :/12:16
Hurrian|TWGOKuhh, catorise replaces some system files12:17
Hurrian|TWGOKi dont think nokia backup backs that up12:17
teotwakiIt doesn't.12:17
teotwakiapt-get remove --purge catorise12:17
teotwakithen reinstall it.12:17
teotwakior simply apt-get --reinstall install catorise12:18
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MohammadAGteotwaki: crashanddie?12:23
teotwakiMohammadAG: aye12:23
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BCMMHurrian|TWGOK: yeah, i'm just trying to install it from HAM now12:33
BCMMi just tried apt-get install12:33
BCMM"Can't locate Locale/gettext.pm in @INC"12:33
BCMMin the "setting up" phase12:34
psycho_oreosperl modules missing?12:34
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psycho_oreosfyi, catorise-plus > catorise12:34
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BCMMpsycho_oreos: same error with catorise-plus12:36
teotwakiMohammadAG: why? surprised?12:37
psycho_oreosBCMM, you got perl installed?12:37
BCMMpsycho_oreos: don't know, actually12:37
BCMMi forgot to keep a list of packages from backup time12:37
BCMMbecause i forgot that only some packages go on the app list12:38
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psycho_oreosBCMM, funnily enough HAM should auto-install dependencies.. can't see how or why it wouldn't install perl when its needed for catorise12:38
BCMMi have perl, -base, -modules and libsdl-perl12:38
BCMMpsycho_oreos: i have CSSU and a slightly odd apt configuration i should probably mention12:39
psycho_oreosBCMM, define slightly odd apt configuration? my N900 also has a slightly odd apt configuration as well lol12:39
BCMMi have extras-devel enabled and a preferences file so that -devel versions do not take priority over -testing versions except for a few applications (basically, stuff i've developing)12:39
BCMMi restored the backup before putting my preferences file back12:40
BCMMso i probably have more -devel stuff than i did when i backed up12:40
BCMMpsycho_oreos: is it safe to remove and reinstall perl?12:41
BCMMor does dpkg depend on it somehow?12:41
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psycho_oreosin my apt configuration, I don't have that preferences part setup, I have had catorise for awhile and catorise-gui came about.. installed that and been using it for awhile.. I think it was sometime within CSSU or before CSSU came about that catorise-plus was out12:42
psycho_oreosBCMM, afaik dpkg shouldn't depend on it, but I'd use apt-get to remove it as it will warn you of dependencies12:42
* Sicelo uses only devel stuff - of course, i don't install everything that's out there12:42
psycho_oreosI also mainly use devel repository on my N90012:43
BCMMSicelo: thing is, some people quite reasonably just push stuff to -devel without even testing it12:43
BCMMsince that's how you test it...12:43
psycho_oreosBCMM, this might enlighten you: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1129285&postcount=24812:45
psycho_oreosI would still highly recommend catorise-plus as it not only integrates catorise-gui well with catorise but also provides one more missing functionality that distinctively (imo) differentiated between catorise and mymenu. The missing functionality was custom `folder' icons12:47
BCMMpsycho_oreos: like i said: tried it; same error12:47
BCMMwill try it though12:47
psycho_oreosBCMM, have you tried my link in regards to that perl issue?12:47
MohammadAGteotwaki: No, why would I be surprised? I just thought some d****'s using your nick12:47
BCMMpsycho_oreos: yeah12:48
BCMMpsycho_oreos: is either actively maintained? you'd think a missing dep known since november would be fixed12:48
psycho_oreosBCMM, still no dice even after installing that?12:48
BCMMpsycho_oreos: how fast is your n900 :)12:48
psycho_oreosBCMM, afaik catorise probably isn't maintained.. catorise-gui is definitely un-maintained (I lodged a bug ages ago and I never heard a word back from the author)12:49
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psycho_oreosBCMM, rather slow but its not like I care (normal frequency settings + debug mode + R&D mode)12:49
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BCMMwhat i mean is, am trying now12:50
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BCMMpsycho_oreos: wee. new error.12:52
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BCMMoh, didn't happen on reinstall12:52
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BCMMyay, catagories! thanks psycho_oreos12:55
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psycho_oreosBCMM, heh nw, but you should really thank that bloke in tmo whom pointed out exactly which deb file to install. I personally have never encountered this issue before12:55
teotwakiMohammadAG: /whois teotwaki12:57
MohammadAGYeah, did that after you replied :p12:58
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BCMMhow does debian handle file collisions?13:01
BCMMi mean, what's the cleanest way for me to make a package the replaces all the files owned by hildon-welcome-default-logo?13:02
BCMMoh wait they have a nice .d system so i don't have to nm13:03
MohammadAGBCMM: dpkg-divert13:04
BCMMMohammadAG: thanks i'll look that up13:04
BCMMnow, why is this channel more helpful that #debian for this sort of thing?13:05
MohammadAGHeh13:06
gomiamBCMM: because you were lucky here and found someone knowledgeable paying attention?13:06
MohammadAGBCMM: The cssu installer is an example13:06
BCMMMohammadAG: hmm, is that a think that you can do in a package?13:06
gomiamBCMM: you should remember that, even though it looks like it, IRC does not guarantee instant attention ;)13:06
BCMMgomiam: i know. i'm considering multiple events in this opinion13:06
gomiamBCMM: oh, my excuses then13:07
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BCMMMohammadAG: i should probably say what i'm actually doing. i'm trying to package a boot video to give me and anybody else who wants it a simple way to get rid of those accursed nokia hands13:07
BCMMnow, they have a directory.d system such that i could just have it installed alongside and one can remove hildon-welcome-default-logo if one wants to13:08
BCMMbut there's no way to trigger that packages uninstall is there?13:08
BCMMi mean, i could say they can't both exist on the system but that just means you'd get an error on install13:09
MohammadAGBCMM: Line 4013:09
MohammadAGhttp://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/blobs/master/debian/postinst13:09
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BCMMMohammadAG: ah, thanks13:11
BCMMso now i have the option of doing things the right way or the easy way that just gets rid of hte hands13:11
MohammadAGBCMM: You can't install or uninstall packages from within a package13:11
MohammadAGTheres conflicts but ham overrides them13:12
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BCMMyeah, makes sense13:12
MohammadAGThat's why the cssu installer needed the user to click an icon13:12
BCMMi guess probably best to install alongside and show a message saying you can remove the default one13:12
BCMMiirc, if there are two videos properly installed they are played sequentially13:13
BCMMbtw, is there a reason nobody else seems to have package boot videos? the use of a /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ directory looks designed to accept vids in packages13:13
MohammadAGThere's a config file you have to edit13:14
BCMMi assumed from the .d at the end of the dir that you could just put more config files in the directory13:15
BCMMisn't that what .d usually means?13:15
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BCMMi guess i should just test13:15
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MohammadAGAh right, afaik they play one after the other13:17
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BCMMMohammadAG: tested. it does indeed13:34
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Sicelodoesn't that slow down boot process somewhat?13:42
MohammadAGA lot13:44
MohammadAGRather than continuing the boot provess while a video's playing it waits for hildon-welcome to return13:44
MohammadAGProcess13:44
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BCMMMohammadAG: yeah, that annoys me quite a lot14:00
BCMMgiven that the DSP is decoding hte video there are probably enough processor cycles left to load the desktop in the background14:00
BCMMdoes removing the video totally speed things up much compared to keeping the default one?14:00
teotwaki(gomiam) BCMM: because you were lucky here and found a bored student with too much time on his hands? << Fixed.14:01
Siceloit appears so -- i disabled the video on mine14:01
gomiamteotwaki: XD14:02
gomiamteotwaki: beware of assuming, it makes an ass of u and me ;)14:02
teotwakiactually, it makes an ass out of u and some chinese dude called Ming.14:03
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BCMMteotwaki: "some guy"? he was am emperor!14:12
BCMMs/am/an/14:12
infobotBCMM meant: teotwaki: "some guy"? he was an emperor!14:12
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x29aanybody know, which environment an application, that gets called via a desktop shortcut, gets executed?14:24
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x29afremantle on an n90014:24
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x29aurg, seems to be /14:25
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BCMMx29a: pretty sure it's the same as from the menu14:34
LantiziaLo, if I no longer care about GSM/3G functionality on my N900 - i.e. I just want Wi-Fi like the 770/N800/N810 had... what other OS would you recommend and can I install a linux distro directly on to it without preserving maemo?14:34
Lantiziabasically I'm looking for a tiny arm-based PC with linux on it to sit on my desk14:35
BCMMx29a: specifically, i believe that /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh is responsible for setting up much of the env14:35
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x29aBCMM: my data ended up in /data, allthough the app is located in /opt/program/bin and there is a /opt/program/data. its only for testing purposes, so its ok, a quit ln -s solved the issue for me =)15:04
SiceloLantizia: you can experiment without really killing maemo. i boot Debian Wheezy on mine. wifi works excellent15:17
Lantiziai won't need maemo after this - just want to use the 256mb area to boot... and the internal mmc to act as rootfs15:17
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Sicelooh - i dunno about that, or the advisability of it15:18
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jargon-what would be the best way for me to install newsbeuter on my n900? it's not in the repos which means either build from source or install a .deb?15:43
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lartza_https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387 I tried compiling package with the telepathy-gabble_0.13.5-0maemo1.dsc in the scratchbox16:02
povbotBug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls16:02
lartza_but it requires glib 2.2416:02
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andre__lartza_: comment on the bug report or ask Pali directly here? :)16:20
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lartza_seems to me that upgrading telepathy-gabble from 0.8 would require upgrading telepathy-glib0 too, which then would force updating telepathy-whatever16:26
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lartza_which require newer glib, and so on. so it looks like xmpp/jingle calls are broken for "a while" (or requires some amount of voodoo)16:28
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Macerwow17:28
Macerwifi tethering the n900 destroys the battery life :)17:29
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Macerbattery eye has a line going like 88 degrees17:29
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Paliping X-Fade17:44
Sicelolol17:46
Siceloof course it does.17:46
pwethello, i'm not sure i'm at the right place to ask this question, in an updated fedora 16, is it expected to not be able to use the module cdc_eem but only cdc_ether with my n900? even after having tried to fight with udev17:46
Sicelothat's why i inested in a proper wlan ap17:46
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Sicelos/ine/inve/17:47
infobotSicelo meant: that's why i invested in a proper wlan ap17:47
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pwetmy kernel version is 3.2.9 if that helps17:48
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Sicelofirst time i see a cdc_eem module.17:51
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pwethttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900#After_Boot and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking#Host_configuration_on_Debian_Lenny17:54
pwetthey tell clearly to replace any reference to cdc_ether to cdc_eem17:54
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pwetin the second link, at the end of the page, there's a fedora 13 section, with only cdc_eem17:56
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RST38hMeanwhile: The iPad 3 contains an 11,560mAh battery, the first take-apart of the third-generation Apple tablet has revealed.19:12
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ShadowJKWhat's cdc_eem?22:29
Sicelosome replacement for cdc_ether .. i never knew about it till pwet mentioned it22:30
SpeedEvil  36 /*  37  * This driver is an implementation of the CDC "Ethernet Emulation  38  * Model" (EEM) specification, which encapsulates Ethernet frames  39  * for transport over USB using a simpler USB device model than the  40  * previous CDC "Ethernet Control Model" (ECM, or "CDC Ethernet").22:30
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pwetit seems that maemo uses cdc_ether while meego uses cdc_eem22:51
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ShadowJKi don't think eem existed back then?23:00
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pweti didn't pay attention about that, sorry23:01
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sopinevening23:46
sopinuntaring meegokernel to mydocs went bad, very bad23:47
sopinafter 2 hours of unresponsivity MyDocs is readonly23:47
sopinfsck been running for 9h now, 100% cpu all the time23:47
sopinis fsck from linux usb connected more likely to finish successfully?23:48
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mgedminsopin, well, it would have a beefier cpu hopefully ;)23:52
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mgedminsopin, NOTE: dosfsck, by default, LIES: doesn't fix anything, just says it did23:53
mgedminyou need to pass a flag to get it to actually fix the fs23:53
sopinI used fsck -a /dev.... I believe23:54
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sopinbut 10h of grinding is crazy23:54
mgedminyeah -a ought to do it23:54
mgedminhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dosfstools/+bug/20520623:54
sopinmight go for emmc flashing at this point23:55
NIN102why? just recreate the filesystem.23:55
sopinthen again kernel source files are sooo many23:55
sopinare they all needed for proper meego/maemo compile?23:56
sopinmight make sense removing all the unused ones to speed things up23:56
NIN102I recommend not to compile kernels on the device, unless you are very very patient...23:56
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sopinor does kernel swallow thnem all even when compiled for arm!?23:56
sopinI am. I have access to scratchbox 23+23:57
sopinif I want five hrs of working time I'm a zombie next day at work23:57
sopinI can live with starting the compilation at 7am and getting a result at 7pm23:57
NIN102speed things up? only what is in the .config will be compiled anyway.23:57
sopinlimit space waste23:58
sopinin both decompressing (2hrs of untarring just to get ro state)23:58
sopinmight need to turn of swappolube23:58
sopinit quite often hinders heavy tasks23:58

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