sopin | hell I could even start some compiling during lunch break | 00:00 |
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NIN101 | super tip: debian 6 VM + harmattan sdk = happy compiling of this meego kernel. | 00:02 |
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Hurrian|away | debian 6 vm = stable environment for fremantle sdk too | 00:03 |
dhbiker | hows harmattan comparing to fremantle ? | 00:03 |
Hurrian|away | @sopin: menuconfig on device? | 00:04 |
Hurrian|away | doing it wrong | 00:04 |
Hurrian|away | p.s. you still need to patch that **** | 00:04 |
Hurrian|away | you dont just patch straight over the kernel | 00:04 |
Hurrian|away | you need to apply the meego patches | 00:04 |
Hurrian|away | then pali's patch | 00:05 |
NIN101 | ? | 00:05 |
NIN101 | simply check out their git and apply pali's patch. | 00:05 |
Hurrian|away | don't they use obs? | 00:05 |
sopin | yeah, hoping some of the patch tools will work on device | 00:05 |
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Pali | for compiling you need only arm cross compiler | 00:06 |
sopin | got access to my sb env 1-2h per day | 00:06 |
sopin | to my phone 24h | 00:06 |
Pali | and after compiling run arm strip on all *.ko modules, because modules are too big with all debug symbls | 00:06 |
sopin | i can get 5h on sb but it means I am skipping the night or sleeping 2-4h | 00:07 |
NIN101 | sopin: then why all this effort? It simply won't bootup and work, that's for sure. | 00:07 |
sopin | yeah, lets all lie down and wait screaming at nokia | 00:08 |
sopin | this will definitely bring change | 00:08 |
sopin | I have those 3-4h of commute, might have to look at sdk chroot | 00:09 |
sopin | been done | 00:09 |
sopin | pali: will do that, if it compiles | 00:10 |
sopin | do you guys use menuconfig or just pass variables to make? | 00:10 |
Pali | why menuconfig? | 00:10 |
sopin | got 4.6 so old gcc shouldn*'t be an issue | 00:10 |
Pali | all configs are defined in rx51_config | 00:10 |
sopin | no idea, was hoping it allows tweaking like remove debug | 00:11 |
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sopin | so no 100mb kos | 00:11 |
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Hurrian|away | @Pali, rx51_defconfig as patched by your patch is missing a lot | 00:11 |
sopin | it seemed to offer antidebug options | 00:11 |
Pali | find . -name "*.ko" -exec arm*-strip {} ';' | 00:11 |
Hurrian|away | ..or just disable kernel debugging | 00:12 |
Pali | replace arm* to your cross tools | 00:12 |
sopin | so skip config, thanks | 00:12 |
Pali | arm-linux-gnueabi-strip | 00:12 |
sopin | still damned meegokernel sources take .5 gig | 00:12 |
NIN101 | n8 | 00:12 |
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sopin | but I assume most is for other arches | 00:13 |
Hurrian|away | Pali, does SGX driver need to be updated? | 00:13 |
Hurrian|away | all I got from running the kernel last night was corrupted graphics | 00:13 |
Pali | no idea | 00:13 |
Pali | qemu using kfgles2 | 00:13 |
sopin | should check 12.04 driver | 00:13 |
sopin | some guys got it booting desktop | 00:14 |
sopin | use what they did, should be compatible | 00:14 |
Hurrian|away | sopin, 12.04 doesn't use the gles driver from boot | 00:14 |
peetah | Pali: quick question, quick answer: is there any progress on the nemo/u-boot issue ? thanks | 00:14 |
sopin | hmm | 00:14 |
Hurrian|away | it uses fbdev on boot, then loads the sgx driver on starting x | 00:14 |
Pali | peetah, no | 00:14 |
peetah | ok thanks | 00:15 |
sopin | Hurrian|away: any way to use what is working for mer/ubuntu? | 00:15 |
Hurrian|away | yeah, they just werk | 00:15 |
sopin | crash on sgx could point to some hack for 28 | 00:15 |
Hurrian|away | wait | 00:15 |
Hurrian|away | uhh, no | 00:15 |
Hurrian|away | in maemo's case, you have the kernel wanting to start kms/drm early, and xomap really early | 00:15 |
sopin | that is incompatible with newer | 00:16 |
Hurrian|away | iirc the white dots are displayed by x | 00:16 |
Hurrian|away | prolly need to update the userspace side of sgx driver | 00:16 |
sopin | what you just said is black magic for me | 00:16 |
sopin | if it works ++++ for you | 00:17 |
sopin | damned, that looks like graveyard | 00:17 |
Hurrian|away | please read up on how the sgx driver works | 00:17 |
Hurrian|away | open kernel stub runs closed userspace blob | 00:17 |
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sopin | I am still planning on reading how kernel needs to be compiled installed | 00:17 |
sopin | months for me :( | 00:18 |
sopin | sgx will have to wait | 00:18 |
Hurrian|away | on x86 system: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- rx51_defconfig -j64 | 00:18 |
sopin | btw, are you running dual fremantle/fremantle to test your exploits? | 00:19 |
sopin | reflashing all the time seems a time waster | 00:19 |
Hurrian|away | nope | 00:19 |
sopin | as in fremantle/maemo standard + sd/fremantle with newer tricks that crash | 00:19 |
Hurrian|away | i still need to build a fremantle kernel with ext4 and omaphsmmc modules inside to do that | 00:20 |
sopin | how do you test to not spend a lot of time restoring? | 00:20 |
Hurrian|away | i load new kernels with u-boot | 00:20 |
sopin | so dual boot? | 00:20 |
Hurrian|away | dual kernel. | 00:20 |
Hurrian|away | actually, triple kernel, 3.2.11 is in the wings | 00:20 |
sopin | another reading task for me :) | 00:20 |
sopin | did anyone confirm .29 crashing all things for fremantle btw? | 00:21 |
sopin | jumping to .37 might be a bit big | 00:21 |
sopin | pinpointing the culprit would narrow possible reasons a lot | 00:22 |
Hurrian|away | .29 is a huge patch | 00:23 |
Hurrian|away | i would start there if i could get the nokia patches fixed | 00:23 |
sopin | not as big of a jump as .35 though, which works in some configs | 00:23 |
Hurrian|away | they're huge, and the list of rejects is ass-long | 00:23 |
sopin | ouch | 00:23 |
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sopin | Hurrian|away: what exactly was your 'make...' line? | 00:57 |
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sopin | or other way: how do you feed rx51_config to make? | 01:01 |
sopin | and the errata | 01:01 |
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Hurrian|away | see above | 01:07 |
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Hurrian|away | make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- rx51_defconfig -j64 | 01:07 |
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Hurrian|away | i have a config, rx51_hsmmcboardconfig that simply makes CONFIG_EXT4=y and CONFIG_OMAPHSMMC=y | 01:07 |
Hurrian|away | allows me to boot maemo off sd | 01:08 |
Hurrian|away | WITHOUT haxxing preinit | 01:08 |
sopin | but on device? | 01:08 |
sopin | crosscompile is moot | 01:08 |
Hurrian|away | i dont build on device | 01:08 |
sopin | arch the same | 01:08 |
Hurrian|away | on device, it would simply be | 01:08 |
Hurrian|away | make rx51_defconfig | 01:09 |
sopin | *** Can't find default configuration "arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig"! | 01:09 |
Hurrian|away | you didnt patch the kernel then | 01:10 |
Hurrian|away | or downloaded the wrong one | 01:10 |
sopin | i just downloaded the meegoN900 | 01:10 |
Hurrian|away | link | 01:10 |
sopin | meego device adaptatiob | 01:11 |
sopin | n | 01:11 |
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sopin | from git | 01:11 |
sopin | one sec | 01:11 |
sopin | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaption/n900_kernel/archive-tarball/master | 01:11 |
sopin | this was supposed to be meego .35 | 01:11 |
sopin | not sure now | 01:11 |
Hurrian|TWGOK | uhh, that's old and unmaintained | 01:12 |
sopin | oops | 01:12 |
sopin | latest change was sep 2011 | 01:13 |
sopin | thought it was quitelively | 01:13 |
Hurrian|TWGOK | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900 | 01:14 |
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sopin | brb | 01:15 |
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sopin | sudo mount -o remount,size=512M /tmp | 01:51 |
sopin | allows opening the rpm | 01:51 |
sopin | might have overdone it with 512 | 01:51 |
sopin | but the previous kernel sources took around this much | 01:51 |
sopin | in xarchiver | 01:51 |
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sopin | if someone has prettier way to extract huge rpms let me know | 01:56 |
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sopin | 80M should be enough, xarchiver tmp file got only 76mb | 02:03 |
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sopin | bit of an overkill | 02:04 |
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Pali | ping X-Fade | 11:06 |
Pali | X-Fade, I uploaded new version of kernel-power, autobuilder compiled it, but not imported to extras-devel | 11:06 |
Pali | see http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ and https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power50/ | 11:07 |
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BCMM | i've just been restoring backups to my new n900, and i can't seem to make Catorise work | 12:14 |
BCMM | it says "unable to install catorise", though it does then appear on the list of installed programs | 12:15 |
BCMM | then when i try to update, it's "unable to update catorise" | 12:15 |
Sicelo | i don't recall if HAM has some error log, but i suppose so - check that, maybe paste it somewhere :/ | 12:16 |
Hurrian|TWGOK | uhh, catorise replaces some system files | 12:17 |
Hurrian|TWGOK | i dont think nokia backup backs that up | 12:17 |
teotwaki | It doesn't. | 12:17 |
teotwaki | apt-get remove --purge catorise | 12:17 |
teotwaki | then reinstall it. | 12:17 |
teotwaki | or simply apt-get --reinstall install catorise | 12:18 |
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MohammadAG | teotwaki: crashanddie? | 12:23 |
teotwaki | MohammadAG: aye | 12:23 |
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BCMM | Hurrian|TWGOK: yeah, i'm just trying to install it from HAM now | 12:33 |
BCMM | i just tried apt-get install | 12:33 |
BCMM | "Can't locate Locale/gettext.pm in @INC" | 12:33 |
BCMM | in the "setting up" phase | 12:34 |
psycho_oreos | perl modules missing? | 12:34 |
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psycho_oreos | fyi, catorise-plus > catorise | 12:34 |
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BCMM | psycho_oreos: same error with catorise-plus | 12:36 |
teotwaki | MohammadAG: why? surprised? | 12:37 |
psycho_oreos | BCMM, you got perl installed? | 12:37 |
BCMM | psycho_oreos: don't know, actually | 12:37 |
BCMM | i forgot to keep a list of packages from backup time | 12:37 |
BCMM | because i forgot that only some packages go on the app list | 12:38 |
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psycho_oreos | BCMM, funnily enough HAM should auto-install dependencies.. can't see how or why it wouldn't install perl when its needed for catorise | 12:38 |
BCMM | i have perl, -base, -modules and libsdl-perl | 12:38 |
BCMM | psycho_oreos: i have CSSU and a slightly odd apt configuration i should probably mention | 12:39 |
psycho_oreos | BCMM, define slightly odd apt configuration? my N900 also has a slightly odd apt configuration as well lol | 12:39 |
BCMM | i have extras-devel enabled and a preferences file so that -devel versions do not take priority over -testing versions except for a few applications (basically, stuff i've developing) | 12:39 |
BCMM | i restored the backup before putting my preferences file back | 12:40 |
BCMM | so i probably have more -devel stuff than i did when i backed up | 12:40 |
BCMM | psycho_oreos: is it safe to remove and reinstall perl? | 12:41 |
BCMM | or does dpkg depend on it somehow? | 12:41 |
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psycho_oreos | in my apt configuration, I don't have that preferences part setup, I have had catorise for awhile and catorise-gui came about.. installed that and been using it for awhile.. I think it was sometime within CSSU or before CSSU came about that catorise-plus was out | 12:42 |
psycho_oreos | BCMM, afaik dpkg shouldn't depend on it, but I'd use apt-get to remove it as it will warn you of dependencies | 12:42 |
* Sicelo uses only devel stuff - of course, i don't install everything that's out there | 12:42 | |
psycho_oreos | I also mainly use devel repository on my N900 | 12:43 |
BCMM | Sicelo: thing is, some people quite reasonably just push stuff to -devel without even testing it | 12:43 |
BCMM | since that's how you test it... | 12:43 |
psycho_oreos | BCMM, this might enlighten you: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1129285&postcount=248 | 12:45 |
psycho_oreos | I would still highly recommend catorise-plus as it not only integrates catorise-gui well with catorise but also provides one more missing functionality that distinctively (imo) differentiated between catorise and mymenu. The missing functionality was custom `folder' icons | 12:47 |
BCMM | psycho_oreos: like i said: tried it; same error | 12:47 |
BCMM | will try it though | 12:47 |
psycho_oreos | BCMM, have you tried my link in regards to that perl issue? | 12:47 |
MohammadAG | teotwaki: No, why would I be surprised? I just thought some d****'s using your nick | 12:47 |
BCMM | psycho_oreos: yeah | 12:48 |
BCMM | psycho_oreos: is either actively maintained? you'd think a missing dep known since november would be fixed | 12:48 |
psycho_oreos | BCMM, still no dice even after installing that? | 12:48 |
BCMM | psycho_oreos: how fast is your n900 :) | 12:48 |
psycho_oreos | BCMM, afaik catorise probably isn't maintained.. catorise-gui is definitely un-maintained (I lodged a bug ages ago and I never heard a word back from the author) | 12:49 |
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psycho_oreos | BCMM, rather slow but its not like I care (normal frequency settings + debug mode + R&D mode) | 12:49 |
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BCMM | what i mean is, am trying now | 12:50 |
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BCMM | psycho_oreos: wee. new error. | 12:52 |
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BCMM | oh, didn't happen on reinstall | 12:52 |
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BCMM | yay, catagories! thanks psycho_oreos | 12:55 |
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psycho_oreos | BCMM, heh nw, but you should really thank that bloke in tmo whom pointed out exactly which deb file to install. I personally have never encountered this issue before | 12:55 |
teotwaki | MohammadAG: /whois teotwaki | 12:57 |
MohammadAG | Yeah, did that after you replied :p | 12:58 |
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BCMM | how does debian handle file collisions? | 13:01 |
BCMM | i mean, what's the cleanest way for me to make a package the replaces all the files owned by hildon-welcome-default-logo? | 13:02 |
BCMM | oh wait they have a nice .d system so i don't have to nm | 13:03 |
MohammadAG | BCMM: dpkg-divert | 13:04 |
BCMM | MohammadAG: thanks i'll look that up | 13:04 |
BCMM | now, why is this channel more helpful that #debian for this sort of thing? | 13:05 |
MohammadAG | Heh | 13:06 |
gomiam | BCMM: because you were lucky here and found someone knowledgeable paying attention? | 13:06 |
MohammadAG | BCMM: The cssu installer is an example | 13:06 |
BCMM | MohammadAG: hmm, is that a think that you can do in a package? | 13:06 |
gomiam | BCMM: you should remember that, even though it looks like it, IRC does not guarantee instant attention ;) | 13:06 |
BCMM | gomiam: i know. i'm considering multiple events in this opinion | 13:06 |
gomiam | BCMM: oh, my excuses then | 13:07 |
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BCMM | MohammadAG: i should probably say what i'm actually doing. i'm trying to package a boot video to give me and anybody else who wants it a simple way to get rid of those accursed nokia hands | 13:07 |
BCMM | now, they have a directory.d system such that i could just have it installed alongside and one can remove hildon-welcome-default-logo if one wants to | 13:08 |
BCMM | but there's no way to trigger that packages uninstall is there? | 13:08 |
BCMM | i mean, i could say they can't both exist on the system but that just means you'd get an error on install | 13:09 |
MohammadAG | BCMM: Line 40 | 13:09 |
MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/blobs/master/debian/postinst | 13:09 |
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BCMM | MohammadAG: ah, thanks | 13:11 |
BCMM | so now i have the option of doing things the right way or the easy way that just gets rid of hte hands | 13:11 |
MohammadAG | BCMM: You can't install or uninstall packages from within a package | 13:11 |
MohammadAG | Theres conflicts but ham overrides them | 13:12 |
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BCMM | yeah, makes sense | 13:12 |
MohammadAG | That's why the cssu installer needed the user to click an icon | 13:12 |
BCMM | i guess probably best to install alongside and show a message saying you can remove the default one | 13:12 |
BCMM | iirc, if there are two videos properly installed they are played sequentially | 13:13 |
BCMM | btw, is there a reason nobody else seems to have package boot videos? the use of a /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ directory looks designed to accept vids in packages | 13:13 |
MohammadAG | There's a config file you have to edit | 13:14 |
BCMM | i assumed from the .d at the end of the dir that you could just put more config files in the directory | 13:15 |
BCMM | isn't that what .d usually means? | 13:15 |
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BCMM | i guess i should just test | 13:15 |
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MohammadAG | Ah right, afaik they play one after the other | 13:17 |
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BCMM | MohammadAG: tested. it does indeed | 13:34 |
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Sicelo | doesn't that slow down boot process somewhat? | 13:42 |
MohammadAG | A lot | 13:44 |
MohammadAG | Rather than continuing the boot provess while a video's playing it waits for hildon-welcome to return | 13:44 |
MohammadAG | Process | 13:44 |
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BCMM | MohammadAG: yeah, that annoys me quite a lot | 14:00 |
BCMM | given that the DSP is decoding hte video there are probably enough processor cycles left to load the desktop in the background | 14:00 |
BCMM | does removing the video totally speed things up much compared to keeping the default one? | 14:00 |
teotwaki | (gomiam) BCMM: because you were lucky here and found a bored student with too much time on his hands? << Fixed. | 14:01 |
Sicelo | it appears so -- i disabled the video on mine | 14:01 |
gomiam | teotwaki: XD | 14:02 |
gomiam | teotwaki: beware of assuming, it makes an ass of u and me ;) | 14:02 |
teotwaki | actually, it makes an ass out of u and some chinese dude called Ming. | 14:03 |
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BCMM | teotwaki: "some guy"? he was am emperor! | 14:12 |
BCMM | s/am/an/ | 14:12 |
infobot | BCMM meant: teotwaki: "some guy"? he was an emperor! | 14:12 |
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x29a | anybody know, which environment an application, that gets called via a desktop shortcut, gets executed? | 14:24 |
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x29a | fremantle on an n900 | 14:24 |
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x29a | urg, seems to be / | 14:25 |
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BCMM | x29a: pretty sure it's the same as from the menu | 14:34 |
Lantizia | Lo, if I no longer care about GSM/3G functionality on my N900 - i.e. I just want Wi-Fi like the 770/N800/N810 had... what other OS would you recommend and can I install a linux distro directly on to it without preserving maemo? | 14:34 |
Lantizia | basically I'm looking for a tiny arm-based PC with linux on it to sit on my desk | 14:35 |
BCMM | x29a: specifically, i believe that /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh is responsible for setting up much of the env | 14:35 |
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x29a | BCMM: my data ended up in /data, allthough the app is located in /opt/program/bin and there is a /opt/program/data. its only for testing purposes, so its ok, a quit ln -s solved the issue for me =) | 15:04 |
Sicelo | Lantizia: you can experiment without really killing maemo. i boot Debian Wheezy on mine. wifi works excellent | 15:17 |
Lantizia | i won't need maemo after this - just want to use the 256mb area to boot... and the internal mmc to act as rootfs | 15:17 |
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Sicelo | oh - i dunno about that, or the advisability of it | 15:18 |
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jargon- | what would be the best way for me to install newsbeuter on my n900? it's not in the repos which means either build from source or install a .deb? | 15:43 |
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lartza_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387 I tried compiling package with the telepathy-gabble_0.13.5-0maemo1.dsc in the scratchbox | 16:02 |
povbot | Bug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls | 16:02 |
lartza_ | but it requires glib 2.24 | 16:02 |
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andre__ | lartza_: comment on the bug report or ask Pali directly here? :) | 16:20 |
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lartza_ | seems to me that upgrading telepathy-gabble from 0.8 would require upgrading telepathy-glib0 too, which then would force updating telepathy-whatever | 16:26 |
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lartza_ | which require newer glib, and so on. so it looks like xmpp/jingle calls are broken for "a while" (or requires some amount of voodoo) | 16:28 |
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Macer | wow | 17:28 |
Macer | wifi tethering the n900 destroys the battery life :) | 17:29 |
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Macer | battery eye has a line going like 88 degrees | 17:29 |
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Pali | ping X-Fade | 17:44 |
Sicelo | lol | 17:46 |
Sicelo | of course it does. | 17:46 |
pwet | hello, i'm not sure i'm at the right place to ask this question, in an updated fedora 16, is it expected to not be able to use the module cdc_eem but only cdc_ether with my n900? even after having tried to fight with udev | 17:46 |
Sicelo | that's why i inested in a proper wlan ap | 17:46 |
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Sicelo | s/ine/inve/ | 17:47 |
infobot | Sicelo meant: that's why i invested in a proper wlan ap | 17:47 |
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pwet | my kernel version is 3.2.9 if that helps | 17:48 |
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Sicelo | first time i see a cdc_eem module. | 17:51 |
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pwet | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900#After_Boot and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking#Host_configuration_on_Debian_Lenny | 17:54 |
pwet | they tell clearly to replace any reference to cdc_ether to cdc_eem | 17:54 |
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pwet | in the second link, at the end of the page, there's a fedora 13 section, with only cdc_eem | 17:56 |
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RST38h | Meanwhile: The iPad 3 contains an 11,560mAh battery, the first take-apart of the third-generation Apple tablet has revealed. | 19:12 |
wmarone__ | ginormous | 19:12 |
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ShadowJK | What's cdc_eem? | 22:29 |
Sicelo | some replacement for cdc_ether .. i never knew about it till pwet mentioned it | 22:30 |
SpeedEvil | 36 /* 37 * This driver is an implementation of the CDC "Ethernet Emulation 38 * Model" (EEM) specification, which encapsulates Ethernet frames 39 * for transport over USB using a simpler USB device model than the 40 * previous CDC "Ethernet Control Model" (ECM, or "CDC Ethernet"). | 22:30 |
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pwet | it seems that maemo uses cdc_ether while meego uses cdc_eem | 22:51 |
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ShadowJK | i don't think eem existed back then? | 23:00 |
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pwet | i didn't pay attention about that, sorry | 23:01 |
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sopin | evening | 23:46 |
sopin | untaring meegokernel to mydocs went bad, very bad | 23:47 |
sopin | after 2 hours of unresponsivity MyDocs is readonly | 23:47 |
sopin | fsck been running for 9h now, 100% cpu all the time | 23:47 |
sopin | is fsck from linux usb connected more likely to finish successfully? | 23:48 |
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mgedmin | sopin, well, it would have a beefier cpu hopefully ;) | 23:52 |
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mgedmin | sopin, NOTE: dosfsck, by default, LIES: doesn't fix anything, just says it did | 23:53 |
mgedmin | you need to pass a flag to get it to actually fix the fs | 23:53 |
sopin | I used fsck -a /dev.... I believe | 23:54 |
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sopin | but 10h of grinding is crazy | 23:54 |
mgedmin | yeah -a ought to do it | 23:54 |
mgedmin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dosfstools/+bug/205206 | 23:54 |
sopin | might go for emmc flashing at this point | 23:55 |
NIN102 | why? just recreate the filesystem. | 23:55 |
sopin | then again kernel source files are sooo many | 23:55 |
sopin | are they all needed for proper meego/maemo compile? | 23:56 |
sopin | might make sense removing all the unused ones to speed things up | 23:56 |
NIN102 | I recommend not to compile kernels on the device, unless you are very very patient... | 23:56 |
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sopin | or does kernel swallow thnem all even when compiled for arm!? | 23:56 |
sopin | I am. I have access to scratchbox 23+ | 23:57 |
sopin | if I want five hrs of working time I'm a zombie next day at work | 23:57 |
sopin | I can live with starting the compilation at 7am and getting a result at 7pm | 23:57 |
NIN102 | speed things up? only what is in the .config will be compiled anyway. | 23:57 |
sopin | limit space waste | 23:58 |
sopin | in both decompressing (2hrs of untarring just to get ro state) | 23:58 |
sopin | might need to turn of swappolube | 23:58 |
sopin | it quite often hinders heavy tasks | 23:58 |
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