IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-03-16

sopincompiling dcss with it results in reboot00:00
NIN102let me be honest: it will be much effort and as you see: full of trouble. And it won't work anyway.00:00
sopinand it is also 12h task00:00
sopinwhy? missing libs?00:00
sopinI actually have attached more than uease of use to compiling on device00:00
sopinwant a time when you can flash N900 with a N90000:01
NIN102no, because pali's /proc/bootreason patch isn't enough to get nemo kernel to work on fremantle...00:01
sopinget rkid of any desktop dependency00:01
sopintrying to compile meego 3700:01
sopinjust a test for now00:01
sopintroubleshooting later00:01
sopinif it can be built, we have... fully self sustaining machine00:02
sopinnot relying on desktop is key to call N900 a pocket computer for me00:03
NIN102it's already reality.00:03
sopincompile kernel then00:03
sopin:)00:03
sopinor flash N900 with a N90000:03
sopinyou still need desktop for those, no?00:03
sopinkill the middle-man and you have a full pc00:04
SiceloMAG has flashed N900 by another N90000:04
sopinwithnout opengl, but those are just distractions00:04
sopinlink pls00:04
Sicelonone00:04
sopinwill setup my spare for it00:04
sopinI can forget maintaining a device I use 23:00-1am for good then00:05
sopinand reflash on thne bus00:05
Siceloh-e-n + flasher .. u probably realized there's flasher binary right inside maemo00:05
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sopinyup00:05
sopinnever expected it to work N900-N900 though00:06
Siceloit does00:06
sopingonna try that next00:06
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sopinconsideroing I have all I need inbetween calls in work, this is just pure awesomeness00:06
Sicelobut be nice to your cpu and emmc. they won't last forever. i say this wrt kernel compiling, etc00:07
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ketashmm... are there actually places where recording your phone call is illegal00:07
sopinflasher was there before hen, so no idea what for, sure thing00:07
Siceloyes00:07
Siceloketas: yes00:08
ketaswhere?!00:08
Sicelosopin: afaik it's used for kernel updates (maybe even firmware upgrades OTA)00:09
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sopinoh, ok00:10
sopinthought it was a tool without a use as no utg00:11
Siceloketas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws00:11
sopinwould mag flash be on tmo or rather irc logs?00:12
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Sicelosopin: i talked with him here, so logs will have it. but there's nothing fancy about it really. h-e-n won't even need external power00:14
sopinnvm, gonna try it myself, who can recommend a good hen cable?00:14
sopinoops00:14
sopinsecond part still stands, gonna google the logs in case something has to bet tweaked just in case00:15
Sicelonothing to tweak00:15
sopin:D00:15
Sicelojust get flasher ready in time00:15
sopin?00:16
sopinbefore connecting?00:16
Siceloat least before enumerating00:16
sopinplease elaborate00:16
sopinon khubuntuh I just start it and it waits00:17
sopinon windoze I can start it later00:17
sopinis there timing restriction?00:17
Siceloyes .. i mean as in kubuntu00:18
sopinso before00:18
Siceloyes00:18
sopinany recommendations as to cable?00:18
Siceloyou could do it after, but before is best and almost foolproof00:18
sopinI got quite scared of hen threads because of the filing of edges00:18
Sicelocable - your n900 + female-to-femal adapter00:19
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sopinwhich in addition to USB-Breaking off seemed like a foolish idea to try right after acuiring this piece of art00:19
sopinq*00:19
Sicelothat's what i use to run my cdma modm off N90000:20
Sicelo:)00:20
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sopindid you have to file off edges of the usb connector?00:20
Sicelono00:20
sopincould you name the cable then?00:21
sopinI'm bit worried about the whole usb thing00:21
sopinnot a hotwire it DIY guy really00:21
Sicelothose threads refer to one of two things - 1) filling the hooks at bottom side of cable .. that just makes it easier to pull out, or, 2) people who adapted N8 otg cable for use on N90000:22
Siceloyour normal usb cable, ca-101 is fine for hen. just buy a usb female-to-femal adapter00:22
sopincould you point me to a ebay/whatever site that sells ready to go cable, I'll just write down its serial nr or whatever00:23
sopinoh ok00:23
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sopinthanks!00:23
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sopinhacing a rescue device in my other pocket sounds awesome00:24
sopinhaving00:25
sopinnow to get kernel compiled00:26
sopin:)00:26
ketasfemale-to-female adapter sounds strange00:26
ketaswhy do connectors have gender anyway00:26
sopinpenis<>vagina00:27
sopinone sticks out, the other accepts00:27
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jogaI dunno...you can mangle them somewhat too so that they're sort of inverted00:28
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sopina good question for gender studies though, why male programmers engineers think sticking into usb is sexual00:29
joga...they do? eww00:30
sopinin a way I guess00:30
joga(ok I don't have anything against usb fetishists, just so you know)00:31
joga;)00:31
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ketasusb intercourse00:35
* ketas imagines it00:35
sopinwell, everybody knows N900 lovers have microusb :P00:37
ketashmm, micro00:38
ketasand n900 doesn't like it so often00:38
sopinproduced in korea explains it all00:38
ketasif it does then little and slow00:38
sopinit's only micro on the inside, macro outside00:39
ketashmm, will there ever be a device like n900?00:39
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sopinlike, maybe, better (sadly) doubt it00:40
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ketasespecially one that slides open00:40
ketasdoesn't fold, doesn't slide UP00:41
sopinyet the usb slot is always accessible, grrrr00:41
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ketashm?00:41
ketasyou mean to dirt?00:41
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sopinto penetration by a male microusb00:42
sopin:P00:42
ketaspromiscuos nasty thing00:42
sopinthanks to bleeding drivers00:43
sopinlol00:43
ketasi got that hard word wrong00:43
ketasdoh00:43
sopinpromiscuos lacks u00:43
ketaspro misc cu ous00:44
ketasheck, let's say prom?00:44
sopinprom00:45
sopinlacks iscuous00:46
sopindoesn't make sense00:46
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ketasi like that advertisement where they said that in needs ovations to make innovation00:48
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doc|workhey, has anyone been noticing sms messages not arriving at your phone? I've been trying to get this sorted for a couple of months with my telco, and have reflashed teh phone, but it's still a problem00:48
doc|workgoogle's not giving up any results *except* for my telco :D00:49
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jogamakes you wonder :p00:49
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jogahard to know for sure but at least I've never noticed problems with sms00:50
doc|workhehe, yeah, I just want to make sure that it's just not that it happens to be on the phone and not reported on the interwebs00:50
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doc|workhere's a good place to ask00:50
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sopinis this N9 or N900 issue for you?00:50
sopinnever had this (afaik) on N90000:51
doc|workon my n90000:51
doc|workI like my fat ugly phone, don't want to buy a new phone :(00:51
sopinany patches?00:52
Sicelomost likely not your n900.00:52
Sicelodidyou test your sim on a different phone?00:52
Siceloor you might just need to enter an sms centre number00:52
sopinno sms at all or just some?00:53
hanninganyone else getting weird characters where some weird iphone smileys should be displayed in sms?00:53
ketasnot sure what it uses for smileys00:54
ketashmm, any way to hack sim toolkit support to n900*?00:55
ketass/\*//00:55
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ketaskind of sad that when i switch to n900 once, i always need another phone for that00:56
Sicelolooks like it's not so easy00:56
Sicelojonwil is our RE guy - maybe he could look into it. he brought CB-SMS onto N90000:57
ketassomeone said she uses iphone only for that00:57
sopindo sms work in nitdroid?00:57
ketaswhat a fucking waste of money00:58
Siceloi think it works. i know it works on debian00:58
doc|worksopin: patches to my n900? none that I know of, upgraded to 1.2 then 1.3 via ota00:59
ketasi need that for my national id mobile version00:59
doc|workSicelo: no, don't have another phone for my (minority - windmobile.ca) telco00:59
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ketasnot just for a single bank like others do01:00
doc|worksopin: some messages go missing, 1 in 4 to 1 in 1001:00
sopinstrange01:00
doc|worksopin: weird thing is, often resends of the missing message also don't arrive01:00
sopintried with another phone for a day?01:00
doc|workwhich somewhat hints at there being something in the message which is tripping up either the telco or my phone01:00
sopinask friends to resend the ones that didn't arrive01:00
doc|worksopin: I've been considering asking them for a temp replacement01:00
ketaswhat kind of messages?01:01
sopinyou can test it in few hrs01:01
doc|worksopin: I have, they also sometimes don't arrive01:01
doc|worksopin: yeah01:01
Siceloeither your operator is fsckd, or it's a sign for something that will eventually be serious on your device, eg emmc wearing out01:01
doc|workketas: standard sms, not mms01:01
doc|workSicelo: yeah :/01:01
sopinif so, carrier is at fault01:01
ketasdoc|work: still, what kind of messages01:01
doc|workketas: you lost me01:02
ketasdoc|work: just normal text?01:02
doc|workoh, one thing is, sometimes I'll get the first part of a two part message, other times I'll get both parts of a two part message, though almost always as separate texts, not rejoined01:02
doc|workketas: as opposed to multi-sms messages?01:02
Sicelooperator, definitely01:03
ketasdoc|work: that too01:03
ketashmm01:03
ketaswhat joins and splits messages anyway?01:03
doc|workSicelo: I'm thinking that too, but why do you think so? I'm thinking it because otherwise it would be consistent01:03
ketasa endpoint?01:03
doc|workmost common person it's happening with has an iphone01:04
doc|workif that matters01:04
ketassmsc definitely can play some weird games there01:04
doc|workperhaps some incompatibility between the two?01:04
Siceloi forgot the whole sms thing - but there's a flag somewhere, which is why subsequent message 'parts' can't be 160 characters01:04
doc|workyep01:05
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doc|worksomething's not rejoining them for some reason01:05
ketasdoc|work: my first guess was invalid chars01:05
doc|workketas: hmmm, perhaps01:05
ketashowever, which ones i'm really curious01:05
SiceloDocScrutinizer would probably know01:05
ketasflash wearing out, there should be io errors in that case?01:06
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doc|workdmesg gives nothing01:07
doc|workand my phone has waaaay more capacity than I'd use in this time :)01:07
doc|workso if there's any form of write checking it should be safe still01:08
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ketasanyone managed to crap internal flash?01:09
sopinin few years you'll get reports01:10
ketashahaha01:10
sopinthe 100k rewrites limit was 10yr ago01:11
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sopinnow rewriting whole emmc whole day will take a year or two if I remember correctly01:11
sopinthings improved01:11
ketasthat flash isnt bare, right?01:11
sopinstill, some cases of hw dmg could happen01:12
sopinno guarantee on thnat01:12
ketaswell probably isn't01:12
sopindammit, estel is right, xplane heli and extreme are nowhere to be found01:14
sopinnot really into that but as a test of googlefu, not a trace01:14
ketasgooglefffuuuuuuu01:16
sopinsearchlores if you prefer01:16
ShadowJKactually things are getting worse wrt rewrite limit :P01:16
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sopinit is a critical skill in this era01:17
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DocScrutinizeryeah, multilevel flash made things reasonably worse01:19
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ShadowJKEach process shrink removes a 0 :P01:20
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DocScrutinizersomebody a clue why you'd be willing to pay 1000 EUR for a ~6y old Nokia dirt cheap featurephone?01:20
ShadowJKwith TLC we're down to a few hundred cycles and data retention measured in months01:21
doc|workDocScrutinizer:01:21
doc|workdamn it, sorry, have bad connection01:21
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer; is that one of those modifiable for gsm encryption breaking?01:21
doc|workthought screen had locked up.01:21
doc|workDocScrutinizer: could you check the scrollback for my issue? Someone said you might have some feedback on it.01:21
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: dunno, maybe. I think there may be lots of those, no need to pay 1000EUR for it?01:22
sopin1000 eur for what?01:22
DocScrutinizerno way I'm going to check 100s of lines backscroll, already gave up on it01:22
doc|workit's not that far back01:22
ShadowJKSummary: he's missing smss, the same sms when retransmitted several times never arrives while others do01:23
doc|workthanks ShadowJK01:24
sopinhow is N900 missing sms (actually not N900 as other phones too IIRC) worth 1000 eur?01:24
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doc|worksometimes a part of a two+ part message will go missing, other times will arrive fine (though in multiple parts)01:24
doc|worksopin: not related01:24
sopinoh, nvm me then01:25
doc|work:)01:25
sopinI can prolly make mine miss some for 1000eur and get few fresh :P, sorry, no more derailing01:25
doc|workhehe01:26
bennypr0fanehello, i'm thinking about trying nemo on my N900, but I haven't been able to find out about the exact status, i.e. what's working atm and what's not: calls? sms? 3g browsing? Anyone can tell me about that or point me to a place status of working features is listed?01:26
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sopinI think meego (nemo predecessor) got calls (poor quality?) and sms, no idea about 3g01:32
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sopinwifi is good to go01:32
sopinnitdroid got only sms though :(01:33
bennypr0fanein meego or nemo?01:33
sopinwhat difference does it make?01:33
bennypr0faneyeh, nitdroid - what the hell? I mean, if they haven't figured out by now how to get voice in calls, they probably won't anymore...01:34
sopinmoblin->meego->nemo, doubt they lost any functionality in the meantime01:34
bennypr0fanehope so ;-)01:34
sopinnitdroid with voice would kill google's share of pie01:35
bennypr0faneit so would01:35
sopintheir way of emrace/extend... it seems01:35
sopinb01:35
DocScrutinizera) sms is not realtime, and handled by a server at carrier. b) there are literally dozens of possible different encodings for SMS, some may be not supported by some devices. c) the SMs might have some "rogue" char sequence that makes some layer in stack barf up on it01:36
DocScrutinizerd) the exchange aka server aka central may decide not to forward particular SMS for whatever reason01:36
bennypr0fane...meaning what, with regard to my question?01:37
DocScrutinizere) the sender might only think he sent an SMS01:37
bennypr0fane... that sms may work in meego, but not cease to work in nemo?01:37
DocScrutinizerbennypr0fane: not at you01:37
bennypr0faneoh01:37
doc|workDocScrutinizer: thanks for that. It's not e). I've seen the phone from which the messages were often sent, and it's 3 people at least. Thanks again. I'll look into the others01:38
sopina - statement of fact, b,c - lack of compliance (though as you tested it on different handset and got same results doubtful), d - carrier censoring on the go, doubtful, e - with previously mentioned tests also doubtful01:39
DocScrutinizeraha, so only possible answer: doc|work is a liar, or what?01:40
doc|workI'm fine with a, but never arriving is a different story :) b) I've only tried one, but messages from three handsets. d) also doubtul01:40
DocScrutinizeror in other words: you got no fsckng clue01:40
sopintelco fuck up - f01:41
sopinblame it on your handset01:41
sopinyou are at fault01:41
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sopinor their setup for his imei01:41
sopinif 6630 doesn't get a sms you blame encoding?01:41
DocScrutinizerwtf got imei to do with it??01:41
doc|worksopin: which is why it got to the stage that I was threatening to switch (no contracts ftw) before they would look into it again01:41
sopini say f01:41
sopinand you should01:42
doc|workI like my telco, when they work :)01:42
sopinif two different phones exhibit sms missing for which senders pay01:42
doc|workyeah01:42
sopinthey are liable for much more01:42
doc|workI wouldn't be surprised if it's the originating telco01:42
sopinimagine how many sms never get noticed missing01:42
doc|workexactly01:42
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sopinso you should be more active with it01:43
sopinthey are at fault01:43
sopinnot n90001:43
bennypr0faneso nobody has a clue where i might read up about current nemo functionality?01:43
sopinnot customer noncompliance01:43
DocScrutinizersopin: are you the guy that bitched at me for noit giving helpful answers?01:43
sopin???01:43
sopinI bitxhed at you for khubunthuuhu01:43
sopinwhile sb info mentions khubhuhunthuu as working setup01:44
DocScrutinizeryeah, I can see how your answers are so much more helpful01:44
sopinyour answers are helpful as to possible problems with sms on N900, not on N900 and another phone01:44
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sopinhe tested his setup so probability of chars/encoding problems01:45
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sopinwould mean half of their customer base having same on dumbphones01:45
sopinall your points are valid, but not after dual device testing01:46
sopinas it is not n900 specific problem for him01:46
DocScrutinizeraha, that obviously totally rules out carrier filtering01:47
sopinnope01:47
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sopinbut doubt all those were terrorist sms01:47
doc|workbtw, she split up a recent message into two messages and they came through fine. No weird characters I can see.01:47
doc|workand I only send terrorist smses on weekends01:49
DocScrutinizerdoc|work: you're aware you can set reception ack response as an option when sending SMS?01:49
doc|workno time during the week01:49
sopintoo busy explod^Hring01:50
DocScrutinizerI've seen inter network routing fsckups more than once btw01:50
doc|workDocScrutinizer: I'd have to play with her phone. I asked her about delivery receipts (that's the same thing, right?) and she said she doesn't know anything about them. I'd expect the iphone would have that enabled by default. Anyone know otherwise?01:50
doc|workI'll do that over the weekend when I next see her01:51
DocScrutinizeryes, delivery receipt is prolly the right term01:51
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* doc|work searches01:52
doc|workseems that it's not! wtf?01:52
DocScrutinizeranyway, when A can't send SMS to B, then why not send a SMS form B to A, with delivery receipt?01:53
doc|workmy messages go to her fine, never go missing01:53
doc|workmy thinking is that it's routing from her network to mine01:53
doc|workor, if not that, getting lost somewhere in between in any case01:53
DocScrutinizeryou're aware delivery receipt is basically also an SMS, just opposite direction?01:54
doc|worknope, I wasn't01:54
sopinYou can test with sms beginning with *0# or *N# to force it, but no guarantees01:54
sopinused to work01:55
DocScrutinizerthe recipient's server delivers SMS via a handshake protocol, and on successfully delivering it returns an ACK SMS to sender01:55
DocScrutinizerdoesn't usually work anymore01:56
ketaswhy?01:56
sopinused that 5yrs ago or so, no idea now01:56
DocScrutinizerit's a server side service/function01:56
sopinbut if standard settings don't return status of msg maybe?01:56
DocScrutinizergot discintinued as nobody used it, and if it was used then usually unintentional01:56
ketasDocScrutinizer: how does delivery notices work now?01:57
sopinare all you guys in states?01:57
ketasi'm not01:57
DocScrutinizerGob forbid01:57
DocScrutinizerGod*01:57
sopindifferent countries, different setup, forcing by prefixing might help01:58
doc|workI'm in canuckistan01:58
sopincannot guarantee01:58
doc|worker, canada for non-north americans01:58
GeneralAntillesDamn those Canadians!01:58
* GeneralAntilles coughs.01:58
sopinI love canadians01:58
doc|workI'm not canadian, so I agree!01:58
sopinthey burnt the whitehouse didn't they?01:58
sopingo canada!!!01:59
doc|workyep01:59
doc|workshame they did it on behalf of some half-baked king :)01:59
sopin:)01:59
sopinwannasee other country do it01:59
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doc|workare you *trying* to get my sms's censored?!01:59
doc|work:)01:59
sopinok, terrorists01:59
sopinall of them01:59
sopindiscussing wh attack02:00
sopinno wonder02:00
DocScrutinizerdoc|work: look, I heard over there you got *massive* problems with unsolicited / spam SMS02:01
doc|workhehe02:01
DocScrutinizerso I guess they try to do sth about it02:01
doc|workDocScrutinizer: hmmm, perhaps, but if you call up about a problem with receiving sms I'd expect they'd push to have it whitelisted?02:01
DocScrutinizerthis might sometimes result in false positives, including whole number ranges, or geo areas, or carrier networks, or whatever02:01
sopinok, this sounds reasonable, can you provide samples of undelivered? maybe viagra or penis was the keyword02:02
doc|workand at that, I'd expect it would also be consistent02:02
doc|worksopin: haha, no, not the case02:02
doc|worksopin: I've given them details on times for missing messages02:02
sopinthis seems like the last choice before carrier fault though02:02
DocScrutinizerlol, yeah. "of course Sir, we're already busy to fix the issue" *clank* Damn asshole... Larry where's the Whiskey?02:02
doc|workDocScrutinizer: that is entirely possible given my CS experience so far :)02:03
sopinfaulty algo could be the case02:03
sopinif you sms about nigeria too muxch02:03
sopinseriously though, dig up your dumbphone, get the issue to repeat, break contract02:05
doc|workman, the iphone doesn't support delivery reports. My siemens phone in 2000 supported delivery reports...02:05
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doc|worksopin: I don't have a dumbphone, different frequency :/02:05
sopinor better yet ask someone to send you money-important sms to disappear, sue them for good amount02:05
doc|workbut yeah, I may ask to borrow one02:05
DocScrutinizerdoc|work: you'd think the extremely nice and cute guys at freenode were really concerned about not banning innocent users. Yet I can give you advice how you can get a non-recovering kline in 10s02:05
DocScrutinizerand you actually have to send them a MAIL to get the problem fixed02:06
doc|workDocScrutinizer: hah, I'd never think that. I've been here too long.02:06
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sopingn guys, keep it strong Canada!02:10
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doc|workhah02:11
* DocScrutinizer does the House M.D.02:15
DocScrutinizerand n802:15
doc|worknight02:16
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ketas2G Network   GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900   3G Network   HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 210002:58
ketasfinally we see worldphones02:58
ketassomewhat02:58
ds3what phone is that?02:59
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ketasn950, n9, ...03:03
ketaswhat, they still make new n900's?03:04
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Hurrian|TWGOKno, they're out of production for >1 year now03:28
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ketasoutdated information then03:32
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ketas"Essentially all HD content has square pixels."03:43
ketasreading wiki03:43
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r00t-eeepcketas: "has a pixel aspect ratio of 1:1"?04:25
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luke-jrr00t-eeepc: everything computer has a 1:1 pixel aspect ratio…05:07
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ketasi would like round pixels05:44
psycho_oreosthen go invent some05:45
wmarone__or go buy a CRT, there were several models with round subpixels05:46
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ketasround screen too05:47
ketasthat would be interesting05:47
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psycho_oreosby the time when one gets creative with the shapes for monitors/tv/etc, they would be made redundant when VR glasses materialise on a much more bigger scale05:50
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SpeedEvilRandom - how do I stop modest from starting?09:15
SpeedEvilI've never actually used it, and I have better uses for 7M of RAM.09:16
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SpeedEvilapt-get remove modest doesn't work.09:16
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jaskaits some autostart thing in /usr/share/applications .desktop files10:32
jaskaforgot offhand10:32
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jaskaX-Maemo-Prestarted=false10:35
jaskain /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop10:35
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RST38hMeanwhile: Separately, an un-named US military official told the New York Times that the suspect had simply "snapped", and confirmed that he was on his fourth combat tour.11:33
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RST38h*Fourth* [applauds]11:34
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jargon-how do i know which .deb to choose: lenny,squeeze or wheezy?14:37
jargon-i'm trying to install newsbeuter http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=newsbeuter14:38
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psycho_oreoswhy don't you install it into something like easydebian? in some debian chroot would probably be more ideal14:40
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jacekowskijargon-: none14:43
jacekowskijargon-: maemo is not a debian14:43
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jargon-jacekowski: i see. so how do i get newsbeuter installed on my n900? it's not in the repos :-(14:46
jargon-psycho_oreos: easydebian?14:46
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psycho_oreosjargon-, chrooting into other distros within maemo14:47
jacekowskijargon-: compile it yourself14:48
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jargon-which is preferred? easydebian or compilation?14:50
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psycho_oreosobviously compiled14:50
jargon-ok14:51
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jargon-the usual .configure, make, make install?14:52
jargon-./configure*14:52
psycho_oreosno, you need to cross-compile it, remember that your N900 runs on ARM platform not x86.. x86 binaries won't work with ARM14:53
psycho_oreosideally something like scratchbox may make life a lot easier14:53
jacekowskiand it has to be optified14:53
psycho_oreosor yeah you can compile on the device provided that you have all the necessary tools, etc14:53
Hurrian|hurrmaemo is in between squeeze and lenny. build it from easy-debian.14:54
Hurrian|hurrthen prolly configure it with prefix=/opt14:54
jargon-are there any resources i can read up on at tmo?14:55
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psycho_oreosmaybe not exactly tmo but wmo14:57
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jargon-psycho_oreos: hmm. it's not saying what prerequisites i need to install in order to be able to compile software on my n90015:11
jargon-build-essential pkg-config checkinstall?15:12
psycho_oreosjargon-, I personally don't think you'll find a comprehensive listing for that.. mainly because hardly anyone compiles stuff directly on N900 given the fact that it has very little space in rootfs for one to play with15:12
jargon-i see15:13
jargon-so i compile it on my debian squeeze netbook,then?15:13
psycho_oreosideally you should and through maybe something like scratchbox15:13
jargon-ok15:14
psycho_oreosyou maybe able to get away with compiling on the N900 through setting a chroot image with all the dev tools, chrooting into that and building the package of your choice15:14
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LinuxCodedoes anyone know if one can make a yubikey work on the N900 ?15:17
LinuxCodeI plugged it in, but the yubi's led wont light up15:18
jargon-psycho_oreos: is this the scratchbox i want? http://maemo.gitorious.org/scratchbox215:19
psycho_oreosLinuxCode, you got hostmode enabled?15:20
LinuxCodeahhh, that si probably what I am missing then15:20
LinuxCodepsycho_oreos, got a how to ?15:20
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* LinuxCode gets his kernel version15:20
psycho_oreosjargon-, I personally didn't use the git version. I used the one recommended by wmo or even moreso is that I use the vm images which has scratchbox preinstalled, etc15:20
psycho_oreosLinuxCode, not exactly no.. though there maybe a tmo thread on getting USB hostmode going15:21
LinuxCode2.6.28-omap115:21
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psycho_oreosI don't think anyone specifically asked for getting yubikey to work15:21
LinuxCodepsycho_oreos, there is this app in the repos15:21
LinuxCodepsycho_oreos, it is just a keyboard device15:21
LinuxCode"of sorts"15:21
psycho_oreosyeah that's the standard nokia kernel which won't have things like USB hostmode15:21
LinuxCodekk15:21
LinuxCodeguess I will need the power kernel then15:22
psycho_oreosLinuxCode, I sort of know what it is but N900 has to act as the master role when it comes to USB communication :) by default it is in slave mode15:22
LinuxCodeI tought the maemo-ssu stuff would cover a new kernel15:22
LinuxCodekk15:22
LinuxCodeI figured as much, I tried to install the hostmode gui but that failed15:22
LinuxCodeconfirming effectively what you are saying15:23
LinuxCode;-}15:23
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LinuxCodethank you very much psycho_oreos15:23
psycho_oreosyeah I'm not sure about that, initially power-kernel was really a complete separate entity to CSSU15:23
psycho_oreosLinuxCode, nw15:23
LinuxCodepsycho_oreos, what kernel should I go for then ?15:23
LinuxCodepower kernel ?15:23
LinuxCodeyou reckon ?15:23
psycho_oreosLinuxCode, I'm personally into bleeding-edge stuff, so I'd get pk49 myself15:24
LinuxCodeI think it adds crypto stuff too15:24
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psycho_oreosyeah pk adds plenty of things15:24
LinuxCodehow stable is that mate ?15:24
Hurrian|hurrsomebody on tmo is asking whether a light sensor app can charge the battery15:24
Hurrian|hurrhurr15:24
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psycho_oreosfairly stable from what I can see, never have the device reboot from my regular usage before15:25
LinuxCodek15:25
LinuxCodehmm decisions decisions15:25
LinuxCodeI guess I could try the power kernel first then maybe somehting else after15:25
LinuxCodepsycho_oreos, do they live happily next to each other, or is this a flash ?15:25
psycho_oreosthere's a minimum version which h-e-n relies on pk for USB hostmode, if you stick with that pk version you should be safe(r)15:25
LinuxCodek, I will have to go with that then I guess15:26
LinuxCodenow where do I obtain such wonderful kernels ?15:26
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psycho_oreosI don't think it will matter which one you install first, but power-kernel iinm is a metapackage, there's 3 separate packages that needs to be downloaded and installed15:26
Hurrian|hurrpsycho_oreos, isnt h-e-n support been available even in the ancient power46?15:26
jargon-psycho_oreos: hmm. where on wmo is the sbox recommendation? :-/15:26
Hurrian|hurrLinuxCode, activate extras-devel, install kernel-power-settings from ham, deactivate extras-devel15:27
psycho_oreosLinuxCode, this is a kernel flash, it will overwrite nokia's kernel15:27
LinuxCodek15:27
LinuxCodeI thought it would15:27
LinuxCodeHurrian|hurr, for the power kernel ?15:27
Hurrian|hurryes15:27
psycho_oreosHurrian|hurr, I think so but its been awhile since I really played with ancient kernels let alone my N900 so I can't be too certain :)15:27
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LinuxCodek15:28
LinuxCodeI try the power kernel folks15:28
Hurrian|hurrprolly voids your warranty, but nokia does not care, really15:28
LinuxCodewhat warranty ?15:28
LinuxCodelol15:28
jaskanot like theres any real warranty anyway15:29
Hurrian|hurrside note: anyone notice their lock switch wear out?15:29
Hurrian|hurrmine just did15:29
jaskabroken n900, you get a nonphone back )15:29
LinuxCodeHurrian|hurr, I always wondered if that was soldered on the main board15:30
LinuxCodeis it ?15:30
Hurrian|hurrit is15:30
LinuxCodegreat, not15:30
Hurrian|hurri need to change my habits now15:30
LinuxCodeyeh, sucks15:30
LinuxCodeor buy one on ebay, and take the board out, put in yours15:31
LinuxCodeanyway, thank you very very much psycho_oreos and Hurrian|hurr15:31
LinuxCodeI have to go for a bit, I try the power kernel after15:31
LinuxCodethen report back tom you guys if the yubikey works15:31
psycho_oreosHurrian|hurr, mine wore out a fair bit, when I noticed that I tried to stop using that lock switch as much as I can15:32
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LinuxCodek, Iam out for now, thanks again, bye15:33
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psycho_oreosfunny talking about lock switch, I read how there was a thread about it, one person suggested the users to cut their own fingernails. That in some ways does help if one's N900 doesn't have a case like otterbox case. For me to access the lock switch whilst my N900 is in otterbox case I have to use my fingernails more or less.. if not it'll be stylus which is just as hard as fingernails to flick that lock switch15:34
dafoxhow exactly does it 'wear out'? what difference does using your fingernails make?15:35
psycho_oreosdo you see the little notch on the lock switch itself? Each time you keep using nails or other rather pointy and hard objects to flick that switch, the little notch begins to deteriorate until it levels out to the same height as the actual switch itself15:36
psycho_oreosjargon-, I can't find that scratchbox recommended by wmo, its been a long while since I last went through that option. The last few times I've played with cross-compilation I kept getting the vm builds instead15:38
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dafoxaha, ok so that is pretty fixable then. I only got my n900 a couple of months ago, and I was worried the actual switch was going to break off the board or something (like the notorious usbport problem)15:43
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psycho_oreosnah it won't afaik but it just wears out, on my main N900 I have had one side of the notch fully worn down. When I noticed it I just used the alternative method instead (pressing the power key twice)15:46
freemangordonX-Fade, ping15:46
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dafoxbut is it an issue with the plastic then, like they used too soft a plastic for the switch/notch?15:47
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psycho_oreosmore like the notch, but you can imagine how small that notch is. I'm guessing its a bad choice to make that little notch plastic, should have been a small piece of metal wedge instead15:48
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dafoxyeah, metal is almost always better :p15:53
psycho_oreosa slightly better design would've been much better :p15:54
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RaimuIf it wears down I guess one could scratch a hole where the notch used to be and then use fingernails on that or something.15:57
psycho_oreosI don't even know if that would even be easy, and really why would you want to do that? why not simply just press the power button twice?15:58
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Hurrian|hurrno, the notch didnt wear out16:03
Hurrian|hurrwhen i lock it, it unlocks itself16:03
Hurrian|hurrwhich sucks16:03
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Paliping X-Fade16:05
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x29ais the 4.6.2 fremantle compiler especially picky about alignment? im trying to compile code, containing a QList of QStrings, but it seems to not like it and points to internal qt code with the alignment report :(16:06
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SpeedEvilAnyone have a clue as to how to get modest not to start?16:10
SpeedEvilIt used to be trivially possible to apt-get remove modest, but now it brings up a huge list of dependancies.16:11
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SpeedEvilAlso - I can't work out how modest is actually started - it doesn't seem to be in /etc/*16:11
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jaskaspeedevil: /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop16:12
jaskatheres a prestart statement16:12
SpeedEvilAh!16:13
SpeedEvilThanks!16:13
SpeedEvilI diddn't know desktop files could do that.16:13
jaskai did that to a bunch of rarely-used stuff16:13
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SpeedEvilI guess I just comment out X-Maemo-Prestarted*16:14
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freemangordonx29a, there are some switches you should pass to gcc, otherwise it won't build qt code, let me try to find them16:16
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freemangordonx29a, try with -fno-strict-volatile-bitfields -Wno-cast-align16:18
SpeedEvilThanks! Seems to work!16:19
LinuxCodehello again, ok, I installed the power kernel16:19
LinuxCode26.28.10-power4916:19
LinuxCodethen I installed hostmode-gui16:20
LinuxCodewhen I go into h-e-n16:20
LinuxCodeand enable16:20
LinuxCodeyubikey wont light up16:20
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LinuxCodeam I missing something ?16:21
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psycho_oreosHurrian|hurr, interesting on mine it did sort of wear out16:21
psycho_oreosLinuxCode, checked dmesg?16:21
freemangordonLinuxCode, how do you "enable"?16:22
Sicelonot relevant for now LinuxCode - but you will need 'extkbd' package to use keyboard on N90016:22
freemangordonaah, yeah :)16:22
LinuxCodek16:22
Sicelobut this won't stop it lighting up :P16:23
LinuxCodelkhubd timed outm on ep0in ?16:23
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LinuxCodenut it does look like it is enabling16:23
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SiceloLinuxCode: mine doesn't enable immediately. i'd suggest you review Problems thread for h-e-n on tmo16:24
freemangordonLinuxCode, most probably you need to enable "Full Speed" or even "Low Speed" hostmode, an dthe press "VBUS boost on", wait for a while and press "Enumerate"16:24
LinuxCodeI think it is detecting the device16:25
freemangordons/an dthe/and then16:25
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LinuxCodehmmm16:25
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LinuxCodeit does supply power on that usb port right ?16:26
LinuxCodeled wont come on16:26
psycho_oreosyes it does16:26
Siceloif it's detecting it, hen's job is done :)16:26
Siceloinstall extkbd16:26
LinuxCodeaha!16:26
Sicelo(u said it's some keyboard, right?16:26
LinuxCodefull/low speed device detected16:26
LinuxCodeSicelo, it acts as a keybaord device, but it basically is just a single button16:27
LinuxCodehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YubiKey.jpg16:27
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LinuxCodeok, it flashes a few times, then stays off16:29
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Sicelo16:27 < LinuxCode> full/low speed device detected << sounds like it's not detected yet. start from scratch16:29
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freemangordonLinuxCode, did you press enumerate?16:31
LinuxCodeI am wondering if this adapter doesnt cut  it16:31
LinuxCodeyeah16:31
LinuxCodelet me dmesg again16:31
Sicelosince it's your first time using this, i'd recommend you test with a simple flash drive before you go on to 'exotic' devices16:32
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freemangordon:nod:16:32
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LinuxCodeit stayed on for aquite a while16:34
LinuxCodeI suspect this adaptr is a bit useless16:34
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LinuxCodecomes on though when I press vbus, flickers a bit16:34
x29afreemangordon: yeah, i found that -Wcast-align is triggered by a mere #include <QList>, so its a bug in the 4.6.2 toolchain, now that i know it, my project leader will have to disable -Wcast-align16:35
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LinuxCodeI assume the mount button is only for drives ?16:35
psycho_oreosmountable block devices16:35
LinuxCodeor does it do some funky usb'ness I am not aware of ?16:35
LinuxCodek16:35
LinuxCodemaybe I should try a usb key then16:36
* LinuxCode digs one out16:36
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LinuxCodeI dont think this is working16:39
LinuxCodehmmm16:40
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Siceloif you have a multimeter, check if the data connectors on your f-f adapter are correctly wired. seems on a few of them they're not16:44
LinuxCodeI have got a mini-usb to female adapter16:45
LinuxCodeor micro-usb I can never tell them apart16:45
LinuxCodehehe16:45
psycho_oreosmicro16:45
psycho_oreosmicro has those teeth on one of the sides, mini doesn't16:46
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LinuxCodewhen I push the connector in, it flashes more or stays on16:47
LinuxCodethis adapter is crap16:48
LinuxCodemaybe I should get a f to f adapter16:48
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LinuxCodeor I cut of some plastic16:49
LinuxCodeI think it doesnt sit on the connector properly because of it16:49
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LinuxCodeI will order a f/f adapter16:54
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lardmanafternoon chaps, slightly OT but anyone know an easy way of extracting a listing of defined functions from a bunch of C files?18:11
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RST38h"iPhone stroking keeps us satisfied the most, say fanbois"18:31
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javispedromoo RST38h18:42
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RST38hmooo javispedro, how are things tonight?18:43
javispedrofinely fine18:43
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javispedroagain played with a demo galaxy note... they're surely doing a heavy marketing job18:45
RST38hah...18:45
javispedroalso found out the thing has barometer18:45
RST38hyes, they advertised this feature to geeks18:45
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RST38hsame goes for the ics devices18:45
javispedrosadly I still dislike the software very much and it is pricey...18:46
freemangordonX-Fade ping18:46
RST38hit is heavily subsudized in the US18:46
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lardmanjavispedro: barometer, interesting18:57
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lardmanjavispedro: it's Mali iirc, should be a simple port for Mer/etc18:58
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javispedroand the android stupid buttons are nearly invisible when not lit :)18:58
lardmanwell that can be changed in sw ;)18:59
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javispedro:nod:18:59
lardmanI'm not sold on the size18:59
javispedrooh, I am...18:59
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javispedroalbeit it seems kinda fragile, and considering the price..18:59
lardmanreally? Would you carry that around?18:59
javispedroit fits :)18:59
lardmanI guess it's small enough to make that possible - my Galaxy Tab is too large for a pocket18:59
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* lardman wonders how much Vodafone paid for the SW likenesses? http://www.vodafone.co.uk/personal/index.htm19:03
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lardmanouch, certainly expensive19:06
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lardmananyone know what SUPPORT_SID_INTERFACE is?19:09
RST38hjavispedro: does not feel fragile to me19:09
RST38hjavispedro: and does fit the pocket19:10
RST38hthe platform is...well..meh19:10
javispedroit fits, I did try19:10
lardmanhi RST38h19:10
* RST38h moos at lardman evilly19:10
lardmanjavispedro: the security guard got you then? ;)19:10
javispedroI'd wish I had get away with one :)19:11
RST38hyou can make yourself buy it by reasoning that you are going to put Meego on it =)19:11
javispedrooh, I am totally thinking that19:11
javispedroor even webos19:11
RST38hor maemo19:11
RST38hor...khe khe...iOS19:11
lardmanShould be an easy Plasma port once the open Mali driver is working19:12
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javispedrobut it is still pricey19:12
lardmanyeah19:12
RST38hah, screw pricey, you are going to use it for 1-2 years19:12
RST38hnot that pricey when you consider the usage time19:12
javispedrounsure19:12
* lardman imagines RST38h as a small red figure with horns sitting on javispedro's shoulder whispering in his ear.... "buy!, buy! buy!"19:13
javispedroback when Palm devices costed half than that it was clear to me they would last 3, 4 or even 5 years19:13
javispedroand they did19:13
* javispedro looks at nearly 10 year old m13019:13
RST38h"angels we have heeeeaaard on high / tell us GO OUT AND BUY!"19:14
javispedronever paid more than 300eur. for a phone actually =)19:14
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RST38h$610 for Note according to Google19:15
RST38h$575even19:16
RST38hkinda higher than usual, but not overly expensive19:16
javispedromaybe they have a dev program =)19:16
RST38hwho?samsung? ahhahaha19:17
lardmanhmm, they release some code, but don't bother to answer questions in their "opensource community forum"19:18
RST38hit is like asking if an anthill has its own dev program19:18
javispedrothey did ship some devices to certain cm8 devs19:18
RST38hyou get bonus points by asking the ants, too19:18
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hanningjust read about tizen, and huawei being involved now. what do you think, any chances we might see something like the n900 from huawei using tizen?19:22
hanninglooking at ios and android frightens me when i think about my n900 breaking19:23
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lardmanhas Tizen moved forward at all?19:23
javispedrobtw, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Maemo_Base_Port19:24
javispedrodon't remember when that stuff was written19:24
hanningi think SDK was releases in january lardman19:24
lardmanhanning: oh right, cool19:24
lardmanjavispedro: interesting19:25
javispedrotizen seemingly has a hardtime capturing attention, e.g. the re-posted call for papers for the conference19:25
* lardman has been buried in work since the start of the year19:25
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lardmanah the delights of comparing driver code to determine what to port across19:27
lardmanor rather what needs to be ported across19:27
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lardmanI wish I knew Perl at this point19:29
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RST38hhanning: Chance? Zero chance.19:34
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hanningdon't say that :(19:37
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Paliping X-Fade19:47
Pali~seen X-Fade19:47
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'qronic: just tap star twice'.19:47
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DynamitHello20:47
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DocScrutinizer51who wants the 3rd reincarnation of an OS that has records to die prematurely to get replaced by next interation which again will get cancelled for another brainfsck which....21:06
DocScrutinizer51aka tizen21:06
x29aloel21:06
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DocScrutinizer51Nokia couldbe bold today if only they had stayed with maemo rather than this meego red herring21:13
RST38hharmattan IS maemo21:15
DocScrutinizer51meh21:15
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DocScrutinizer51harmattan is maemo*0.75 modulo 500% wsted time for crap and useless paradigm changes21:17
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DocScrutinizer51what a waste of manpower of really smart devels21:19
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LinuxCodehi again all, I trimmed the connector, now the yubikey stays lit21:31
LinuxCodenow I just have to figure out which kmod it requires or which udev rules21:31
LinuxCodebecause atm it just flashes21:31
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LinuxCodeomg it works21:33
LinuxCodeneeded low speed host mode21:33
SpeedEvil:)21:34
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LinuxCodeshould in theory also mean the opengpg crypto key stick should work21:48
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LinuxCodewhat is the max milliampage the bus can provide ?22:11
LinuxCode100ma pushing it ?22:11
LinuxCodeyubikey is 30ma22:12
jacekowskiusb on n900?22:12
jacekowski200mA22:12
LinuxCodeyeah22:12
LinuxCodecool22:12
LinuxCodeso in theory even a usb smart card reader should work haha22:12
LinuxCodebrilliant22:12
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DocScrutinizerthanks :-)22:59
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ketashah, usb smart card reader23:23
ketasbut yea, why not23:24
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