| Hurrian | i'd like that | 00:00 |
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| Hurrian | let's see what can be built | 00:00 |
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| Pali | Hurrian, szopin, wait I will create patch against n900_kernel git kernel repo | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, I found my "book to read" for this night: /sys/kernel/debug/kprobes | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, /sys/kernel/debug/* | 00:05 |
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| sopin | hmm, still quiet? | 00:06 |
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| sopin | yay works... thanks Pali | 00:06 |
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| ketas | disco_stu_droid: blasphemy | 00:07 |
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| Hurrian | cool, going to get debian 6 and scrathbox then | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, /sys/kernel/debug/wl12xx/fw-statistics/* wow | 00:08 |
| Pali | sopin, Hurrian, patch is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/meego_n900_kernel_fremantle.patch | 00:08 |
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| Pali | against this git repo: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_kernel | 00:08 |
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| Pali | please note that you need GCC 4.6 | 00:09 |
| sopin | pali: is it possible to compile >.28 in SB, using gcc 4.6 for example? | 00:09 |
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| Pali | I think scratchobox does not compiling it correctly | 00:09 |
| Pali | better install ARM GCC cross compiler | 00:09 |
| Hurrian | oh | 00:10 |
| Pali | and also, this patch is very hacky and is not complete!!!! | 00:10 |
| sopin | so to get 35 running one can scratch scratchbox? | 00:10 |
| Hurrian | no need for debian then | 00:10 |
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| Hurrian | brb, booting ubuntu vm | 00:10 |
| sopin | :) | 00:10 |
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| Pali | ubuntu has package gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi | 00:10 |
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| Pali | and with it you can easy cross compile n900 kernel without problem | 00:10 |
| Hurrian | @Pali, do I need to build newer binutils for fremantle to boot this kernel? | 00:10 |
| Pali | no | 00:11 |
| Hurrian | nice | 00:11 |
| Hurrian | also, i see that you build k-pwr with gcc 4.2.1 | 00:11 |
| sopin | libc6/libglib? | 00:11 |
| Hurrian | would that also be necessary? | 00:11 |
| Pali | also please note that I did not tested it on real n900 yet!!!! | 00:11 |
| sopin | I can crash test it for you | 00:11 |
| Pali | in qemu it has problem with BME | 00:11 |
| sopin | got a freshly reflashed one | 00:11 |
| NIN101 | you can compile the meego 2.6.37 in the harmattan sdk, worked fine for me. | 00:11 |
| Pali | I needed to remove /etc/event.d/bme | 00:11 |
| sopin | so just say a word | 00:12 |
| Hurrian | @Pali, wouldn't that means that rd mode should be on? | 00:12 |
| Hurrian | wait, kernel dev, riiight. turning rd on. | 00:12 |
| Pali | in qemu is R&D mode on by default | 00:12 |
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| sopin | are you guys preparing 37 thumb2 release by any chance??? | 00:13 |
| Hurrian | @sopin: /nemomobile/ | 00:13 |
| Pali | I have no time to experiment with this now | 00:13 |
| sopin | :/ | 00:13 |
| Pali | but you got my last patch which has fixed problem with NAND | 00:14 |
| Pali | and also with /proc/bootreason | 00:14 |
| sopin | if you have things to try out, throw em at me | 00:14 |
| Pali | so you can play with that code | 00:14 |
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| sopin | time to test and report is << learning kernel compilation | 00:14 |
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| sopin | will do, thanks | 00:15 |
| Pali | but fremantle BME must be removed, because it working only with 2.6.28 | 00:15 |
| Hurrian | @sopin - make rx51_defconfig | 00:15 |
| Pali | cross compilation is easy | 00:15 |
| Hurrian | uhh | 00:15 |
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| Pali | export ARCH=arm; make rx51_defconfig; make -j12 | 00:15 |
| Pali | and export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- before all | 00:15 |
| Hurrian | @Pali, you don't need to specify the compiler? | 00:15 |
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| Hurrian | ah there. | 00:16 |
| sopin | does meego provide replacement for BME that could be butchered in with newer kernel? | 00:16 |
| Pali | no idea | 00:16 |
| Hurrian | @sopin, yes, but it may not play with fremantle systems | 00:16 |
| Pali | but BME can be replaced by my kernel module | 00:16 |
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| Pali | when it will be finished | 00:16 |
| sopin | :D | 00:16 |
| sopin | looking forward to it | 00:16 |
| Pali | last version was announced on TMO in usb host mode thread | 00:16 |
| sopin | there are many 100 pages+ threads there I need to dig through | 00:17 |
| sopin | will get there eventually | 00:17 |
| Pali | but be carefull what you will do!! I really really did not tested that kernel in real n900 | 00:18 |
| sopin | hmm... flashing works always as long as hw is ok, no? | 00:18 |
| ketas | your n900 might burst into flames | 00:18 |
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| sopin | is it really possible to brick it with just sw? | 00:18 |
| sopin | the u pressing boot is outside of any possible sw infringment I though | 00:19 |
| sopin | t | 00:19 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, see ^^^ what do you think? it is possible to brick n900 with sw (bad kernel)? | 00:19 |
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| sopin | like rom | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 00:20 |
| ketas | i don't think bad kernel causes bricking | 00:20 |
| ketas | but is there a way to make it unbootable and unflashable? | 00:20 |
| ketas | apart from hammer? | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can damage some peripherals with really nasty kernels (like bq27x00 I2Cbus "fix" ;-D) | 00:20 |
| ketas | hmm what that did? | 00:21 |
| Pali | you mean to force start BME and bq27x00 battery? | 00:21 |
| Pali | both at same time? | 00:21 |
| Hurrian | it "might" trigger a bad i2c condition | 00:21 |
| ketas | and that damages what and how | 00:22 |
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| Pali | that kernet does not support fremantle BME, so this problem is solved :D | 00:22 |
| Hurrian | charger chip iirc | 00:22 |
| Pali | in qemu when BME tried to start it send some signal to DSME and DSME rebooted system | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean collision on I2C, due to some genius patched out locking | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | not applicable to current PK versions afaik | 00:23 |
| sopin | well, got my N900 unchargeable in many ways, but flashing always work (in the end) | 00:23 |
| Pali | you need to full battery for flashing | 00:23 |
| sopin | unless you mean hw dmg | 00:23 |
| Hurrian | @sopin, just make sure you load this using u-boot or flasher -l | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are other way too to "brick" N900 via sw, but for obvious reasons I'll not elaborate | 00:23 |
| Pali | I know only one theoretical way how to brick n900 via sw (without damaging HW) | 00:24 |
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| sopin | so there is no ROM for handling powerup with 'u' pressed? | 00:24 |
| Hurrian | @sopin, it's seen by nolo, which is not in rom | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: cosnsists of A, L, and C | 00:24 |
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| sopin | always thought this was what saved me | 00:25 |
| sopin | again and again recently | 00:25 |
| dima_ | Did they ever get flash playeer working on maemo? | 00:25 |
| Hurrian | @sopin, plugging usb while off into flasher automatically gets you into flasher mode | 00:25 |
| sopin | so without UV light we're safe, bad news I guess | 00:25 |
| Hurrian | there is no need to press "U" | 00:25 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, did somebody already try to delete that? | 00:25 |
| sopin | Hurrian: TIL, wow | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 00:26 |
| Pali | and what is different between to n900's cal? | 00:27 |
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| Pali | only BT & WIFI addr? | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ser nr, localization | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | some other mysterious crap | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on my server you find a dump of my CAL | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually a number of dumps | 00:28 |
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| Pali | so if somebody erase it and we found some magic way how to flash other cal dump, will be n900 working again? | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | filenames tell how they were done | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: prolly yes | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why those dumps are there | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | coldflashing into a rescue-initrd might actually work. Then use mtd_utils to restore | 00:29 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, and will NOLO start with bad cal? | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's the big question | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | coldflashed NOLO should | 00:30 |
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| * ketas thinks where to start with his n900 | 00:31 | |
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| ketas | it's still in the box :P | 00:31 |
| ketas | maybe it feels lonely there | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: start by *using* it without *any* crap and 'mods' installed | 00:31 |
| Pali | I played with U-Boot SPL build and I forced X-loader to load U-Boot SPL instead NOLO | 00:31 |
| Hurrian | if nokia made their software badly, it's an insta-brick | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: ...to get a feeling how a working maemo fremantle feels like | 00:32 |
| Pali | so maybe one day I can replace NOLO with U-Boot SPL | 00:32 |
| Hurrian | @Pali, how did you get around signing issue? | 00:32 |
| Pali | NOLO is not signed | 00:32 |
| Pali | only X-loader | 00:32 |
| Hurrian | ooh | 00:32 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: of course | 00:32 |
| Pali | and I decrypted X-Loader protocol | 00:32 |
| Pali | its easy (I posted info to TMO thread) | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: hey! :-D | 00:33 |
| Pali | I only tested it in qemu + gdb | 00:33 |
| Hurrian | @Pali, but you still don't know what exactly NOLO does, right? | 00:33 |
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| Pali | but it freeze at serial console instructions | 00:33 |
| sopin | I've been treating it very badly, changing .so to ubuntu versions and back, never bricked totally, even if required few pushes to tart flashing | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, Hurrian | 00:33 |
| Pali | yes | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the main problem | 00:33 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: first i need to backup it, just in case and then look if previous owner did clean it up or not | 00:33 |
| sopin | thought it was unbrickabe by sw | 00:33 |
| Hurrian | @sopin, it technically is | 00:34 |
| sopin | time to change game plan and use the spare for crash testing it seems | 00:34 |
| Hurrian | if you have all possible service tools, it's unbrickable | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: aaah, so you want to install sth actually: backupmenu | 00:34 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, where do you have cal dumps? | 00:34 |
| sopin | was using it as phone to limit wear on the newer one | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: on my server | 00:34 |
| Pali | I'd like to look at in via calvaria | 00:34 |
| Pali | address? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll not miss them when you look there | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo.cloud-7.de | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should know this URL already | 00:35 |
| sopin | Hurrian: service tools as in special sw/cables and screwdrivers? or available for dl progs? | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | the latter | 00:35 |
| Hurrian | OMAP downloads code from usb on boot | 00:36 |
| ketas | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/ | 00:36 |
| ketas | make it clickable :/ | 00:36 |
| Hurrian | so no problem wrt hw flashers etc | 00:36 |
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| Hurrian | @DocScrutinizer, IMEI is not stored in CAL, but in BB5, right? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | no problem | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: right | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually, both | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 00:37 |
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| ketas | hmm, haven't tried, are n900 speakers as good as 5800's? :) | 00:38 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, in your dump are a lot of sections "wlan-tx-cost3_0" | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ketas: I dunno 5800, but N900 speakers not top notch | 00:39 |
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| crope | 5 | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean they're not exactly bad, but e.g. N810 had better ones | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I got a 7" tablet - as a gift. | 00:40 |
| Hurrian | @ketas, significantly worse than a N95's | 00:40 |
| Hurrian | @SpeedEvil, running android, i presume | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: The audio is so badly designed that if you cover the speaker holes, the sound gets better | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch XP | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Wopad I7 | 00:41 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: well 5800 speakers are quite amazing | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I use it for casual browsing - I haven't really investigated it deeply | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | proper name for that | 00:41 |
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| Hurrian | >RK2918 - rockchip | 00:41 |
| Hurrian | damn that's cheap | 00:42 |
| sopin | doc: smscb.py - command line sms interface or for netwok messages? | 00:42 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: lower frequencies are quite well represented | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a nice tablet - but for the audio. | 00:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - for the price. | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw take a bit of care about your N900 speakers - you know you potentially could blow them with the power of amp | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ketas: ^^^ | 00:42 |
| ketas | hah | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so better no indiscriminate messing with ALSA's guts | 00:43 |
| ketas | anyone burned out camera led? | 00:43 |
| ketas | :) | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | no such reports | 00:43 |
| Hurrian | @ketas - nope | 00:43 |
| ketas | well you can | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, we now | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil and me (iirc) found out about that, and how to avoid it | 00:44 |
| ketas | i rather love devices without restrictions | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, restrictions conflictions | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | what restrictions? | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | the restriction that the amp is strong enough to blow the speakers, while on other devices you got the restriction of amp NOT being strong enough for that? | 00:45 |
| sopin | so you can overvolt battery for it to explode on a plane, take that tsa | 00:45 |
| x29a | flashmode @ 500mA and not turn it off in time? loel | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 00:45 |
| sopin | you're free to burn your pocket | 00:46 |
| Hurrian | doesnt the bl-5j have built-in chip? | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sopin: don't tell nonsense here | 00:46 |
| sopin | jk | 00:46 |
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| sopin | but no restrictions would be just that | 00:46 |
| sopin | free to kill your device as you want | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | a) hurrian is right, b) bq24150 charger chip limits at 4300mV | 00:46 |
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| sopin | stallman doesn't use N900 prolly because of it | 00:47 |
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| sopin | open: not really, free: far from it | 00:47 |
| Hurrian | no, stallman would not use N900 because of sgx, bb5, bcmfw etc. | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It is in many places illegal to sell an open cellphone. | 00:48 |
| sopin | with meego on top? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | stallman won't use any HDD either | 00:48 |
| Hurrian | @sopin, meego-n900 comes with bcmfw | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Open in the sense that the user can get to the modem furmware. | 00:48 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, these sections are in your cal dump (removed duplicates): als_calib bme cert-ccc cert-hwc cert-npc content-ver fmtx_pwl kernel-ver lock_code nolo-ver part_table phone-info root_device sw-release-ver wlan-tx-cost3_0 | 00:48 |
| sopin | oh... | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | And do stuff. | 00:48 |
| Pali | is there some info what which section means? | 00:48 |
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| sopin | he does have an open laptop though last I heard, from skorea | 00:48 |
| Hurrian | @SpeedEvil, byt hat definition any tegra phone should be illegal | 00:48 |
| sopin | all free drivers etc | 00:49 |
| Hurrian | @sopin, it's chinese | 00:49 |
| sopin | sure he has a hard disk there | 00:49 |
| sopin | could be | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | By open, I mean that all the code is available. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Including that running on the modem. | 00:49 |
| Hurrian | that probably violates patents | 00:49 |
| Hurrian | gsm patents | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: nope | 00:49 |
| sopin | ofono violates? | 00:49 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: can n900 also blow your mind? | 00:50 |
| Hurrian | ofono is a RIL | 00:50 |
| Hurrian | ofono is NOT the firmware that runs on the baseband | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Patents aren't teh point. In the UK, once the first person abuses the openness, and it's reported to you, you have to fix it, or any further phones you sell are 'hacking tools' | 00:50 |
| Hurrian | and i assume this is regarding to IMEI's? | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: please stop using "@" | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | This is not about 'AT' access to the modem. But for example, using it in GSM 'promiscuous mode' or changing IMEI | 00:50 |
| sopin | whoa, that explains maemo fate | 00:50 |
| ketas | SpeedEvil: and hacking tools are bad how? | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ketas: They put you in prison. | 00:51 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer: sorry, force of habit from another IRC net | 00:51 |
| ketas | SpeedEvil: by just having them? | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ketas: For selling phone hacking tools. | 00:51 |
| sopin | xchat highlights those correctly with or without @ | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Or phone network. | 00:51 |
| sopin | not sure about irssi | 00:51 |
| Hurrian | SpeedEvil, check "efs" partition on tegra devices, or any cheap chinese crap | 00:52 |
| Hurrian | the cheap chinese crap has those "debug" features often enabled | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Hurrian: And yes. I'm not saying it makes sense, or it has been actionable against anyone. | 00:52 |
| Hurrian | sopin, nokia has done a lot in the years and money it has spent on BB5 just ot not be able to do this stuff | 00:52 |
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| Hurrian | that law is fking ridiculous imo | 00:53 |
| ketas | which law? | 00:53 |
| sopin | Hurrian: they could get on terrorist list for sharing hacking tools/devices when opening further | 00:53 |
| Hurrian | "anti h4xx0r t00ls law" | 00:53 |
| sopin | at least the uk example here is woooshy | 00:54 |
| sopin | sopa/acta got nothing on it | 00:54 |
| ketas | hacking tools law is pretty stupid | 00:54 |
| * SpeedEvil finds the 'phone hacking' scandal has made searches _much_ harder. | 00:54 | |
| ketas | by itself | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | In short - if you make available devices which can change the IMEI, or do certain other things - and they are abused, and you do not fix it, any later sales are prosecutable. | 00:55 |
| * SpeedEvil tries to remember the bill. | 00:55 | |
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| ketas | i think it's illegal to fake imei here too | 00:56 |
| sopin | opening any related stuff could be used as: they allow terrorists | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Aha! | 00:56 |
| ketas | sopin: terrorists already have whatever they want | 00:56 |
| ketas | :) | 00:57 |
| sopin | but not open source | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - not finding. | 00:57 |
| Hurrian | faking imei is illegal almost everywhere in the world | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: a russian hacker will send me some modules with FULL %EM and other nice stuff, fully documented. Like AT§CSIM | 00:57 |
| sopin | revenging gsm is a HUGE task | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | AT§CHGIMEI | 00:57 |
| ketas | hahaha | 00:57 |
| ketas | nice | 00:57 |
| sopin | he is fbi | 00:58 |
| sopin | don't pay him | 00:58 |
| sopin | share your results :P | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh - legislation.gov.uk search just went down. | 00:58 |
| ketas | who dossed that | 00:58 |
| sopin | go 4chan | 00:58 |
| sopin | uk is lawless now :) | 00:59 |
| Hurrian | sopin, 4chan hasnt done any raids for YEARS | 00:59 |
| sopin | was a joke, nvm | 00:59 |
| Hurrian | prolly some high and mighty "we gotta avenge lulsec" wannabe HOIC-touters | 00:59 |
| sopin | coincidence with the subject of discussion | 00:59 |
| ketas | fire LOIC | 01:00 |
| sopin | the lulsec fbi snitch was a huge news though | 01:00 |
| sopin | hope his family will be ok | 01:00 |
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| ketas | what you mean HIS | 01:00 |
| sopin | wife and 2 children iirc? | 01:01 |
| Pali | Hurrian, sopin, if you will get some new kernel working with fremantle or you will play with it let me know | 01:01 |
| Pali | now I'm going offline | 01:01 |
| sopin | sure thing mate | 01:01 |
| sopin | gn | 01:01 |
| * SpeedEvil waves. | 01:01 | |
| Hurrian | k, downloading the patches one by one from obs actually | 01:01 |
| Hurrian | bye, pali | 01:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves back | 01:01 | |
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| szop|afk | does anybody know what is stopping fremantle booting on N800 (stripping gsm related stuff)? | 01:06 |
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| szoppin | is it ram limitation? | 01:07 |
| szoppin | screen, cpu etc should be all upstream | 01:07 |
| javispedro | lack of a working gfx accelerator, ram, a lot of assumptions about the kernel ... | 01:07 |
| szoppin | non-accelerated version could work then? | 01:08 |
| javispedro | no such thing | 01:08 |
| szoppin | looking at diablo state today one has to wonder if N900 is not going to end up in the same way | 01:08 |
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| szoppin | unless kernel/libc/libglib get updated | 01:09 |
| szoppin | and non-compatible things replaced with meego pieces | 01:09 |
| szoppin | sad view | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, no thanks | 01:09 |
| szoppin | Why is that? | 01:10 |
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| szoppin | Not really a competitor on the horizon | 01:10 |
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| wmarone | szoppin: Cordia HD is always a possible upgrade path. Hildon UI on Mer. | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds good, but what's with proper power management in meego/mer? | 01:11 |
| szoppin | wmarone: updating seems like a more viable option, the things you mention are far from working solutions | 01:11 |
| wmarone | updating isn't an option due to all the closed bits | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | they fell for the age old nasty misconception/fault of "let's deal with that later, for now let's just make it work" | 01:11 |
| szoppin | critical components are usually backward compatible to an extent | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can not do power conserving design 'later' | 01:12 |
| szoppin | so small jumps in kernel should be possible, if maemo critical component is too hackish, get meego | 01:12 |
| szoppin | it works as ubuntu 12.04 to an extent on .35 | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget meego kernel | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | also forget meego middleware | 01:13 |
| szoppin | how then? | 01:13 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: this way to doing things will always fail | 01:13 |
| javispedro | actually | 01:13 |
| javispedro | meego already boots on the n8x0 | 01:13 |
| javispedro | fremantle will NEVER work on the n8x0, so forget. | 01:13 |
| szoppin | I'm thinking about N900, precise runs so latest libc etc is possible (buggy I admit, but worth trying) | 01:14 |
| javispedro | I think OTOH that newer kernel, newer glibc, newer glib are certainly possible | 01:14 |
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| szoppin | would grant N900 few extra years of meaningful existance | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, with porting the Nokia patches, yes | 01:15 |
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| javispedro | not many nokia patches to glibc or glib ;P | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a whole truckload of .ko that never made it upstream | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and now their missing spoils meego standby time | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not even mentioning things like ICD2 | 01:17 |
| javispedro | (I think that you are making this problem bigger than it is) | 01:17 |
| javispedro | (standby time) | 01:17 |
| Hurrian | but icd2 is maemo middleware | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, I know | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mentioned middleware above | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway... n8 | 01:18 |
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| szoppin | ? | 01:20 |
| szoppin | or was it n8(ight)? | 01:21 |
| szoppin | gn just in case | 01:21 |
| szoppin | if not, are the truckload of .ko you mentioned somewhere available? | 01:22 |
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| szoppin | javispedro: would you have a plan that could possibly work (updating crucial libs/kernel)? | 01:23 |
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| szoppin | I can volunteer to try out possible solutions, bruteforcing till we get something working | 01:24 |
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| szoppin | going to try maverick's .so's next | 01:26 |
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| szoppin | not sure if pre50 will be good enough for them, but unlike precise they lack symlinks, so all need to be renamed to actual .so's from maemo | 01:27 |
| javispedro | plan? :) | 01:27 |
| szoppin | hope maverick is not too big of a step | 01:27 |
| szoppin | javispedro: things to try out that could maybe hint at workable solution | 01:27 |
| szoppin | my attempts are like bringing a battleaxe to a barber | 01:27 |
| szoppin | pointless, harmfull, but if it would work... | 01:28 |
| szoppin | no harm in few flashes | 01:28 |
| szoppin | maybe error messages will change and give clues | 01:29 |
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| szoppin | moving in the dark totally | 01:29 |
| szoppin | but maybe smaller jump will yield some result | 01:29 |
| szoppin | would love to try .29 kernel | 01:30 |
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| szoppin | would be willing to bet 1$ fremantle closed source packages would still function | 01:31 |
| szoppin | and the ones that crash could give insight into what needs patching to try .30... rinse and repeat | 01:31 |
| wmarone | fortunately the board files for the N900 are upstream :) | 01:32 |
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| szoppin | so we're looking at closed parts only non-functioning | 01:34 |
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| wmarone | iirc there's something in the boot process that depends on something that was removed from the kernel after 2.6.28 but the last time I looked was over a year ago | 01:34 |
| szoppin | which for gsm is a big deal, but assuming (we all dream) they will keep working 2.6.3x would maybe be possible? | 01:35 |
| szoppin | proc/bootreason | 01:35 |
| szoppin | pali got patch to bring that back | 01:36 |
| szoppin | getting .35 or such to the level of kp49/50 will take a lot, but still newer libc/glib would be awesome | 01:37 |
| szoppin | btw, what happened to the guys that brought us fremantle? | 01:38 |
| szoppin | nokia fired most maemo devs, would they be willing to share some of their exp? | 01:39 |
| jonwil | As far as I know there are no closed source kernel pieces in the N900 so it should be possible to forward port any N900-specific patches to a newer kernel | 01:39 |
| szoppin | or is there NDAA in place even if we hunted them? | 01:39 |
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| szoppin | considering licensing kernel should be open, yes, but hacks specific to .28 could be in place in all closed components | 01:40 |
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| szoppin | so even move to 29 could turn out to be fatal | 01:40 |
| szoppin | hoping it is not the case, but until tested, it is unknown | 01:41 |
| szoppin | which is why I installed sb yesterday and going to read into kernel compiling/installing, want to try this | 01:42 |
| szoppin | but will take ages | 01:42 |
| szoppin | if someone can provide 29 for test, pls share | 01:42 |
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| szoppin | pali's patch for meego kernel is 160kb :D need a few months vacation | 01:48 |
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| wmarone | why not look at the patch set for Mer? | 01:49 |
| wmarone | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900 | 01:49 |
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| szoppin | pali's patch should allow newer kernels running with fremantle, so you get phone etc functionality and can look at updating libs (my limited understanding), does it all work on mer? | 01:51 |
| wmarone | nope, mer is a fundamentally different platform | 01:51 |
| wmarone | but | 01:51 |
| wmarone | the core patches to make it work on newer kernels are there individually | 01:51 |
| wmarone | not sure if that's what you need | 01:51 |
| szoppin | no idea yet, will know in few weeks/months (maybe) | 01:52 |
| szoppin | looking for simplest way of allowing newer libc etc requiring apps to compile run on N900 though | 01:53 |
| szoppin | without losing functionality as much as possible | 01:53 |
| szoppin | nemo effort I applaud, but is a bit different way of looking at the platform/device | 01:53 |
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| szoppin | I am looking for a way to keep fremantle while also allowing newer stuff to run on it | 01:54 |
| szoppin | possibly totally unrealistic | 01:55 |
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| szoppin | hmmm... wait | 01:57 |
| Hurrian | compile new stuff with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/newlibglib/ | 01:58 |
| szoppin | aapo was thinking of porting gcc 4.6 and using this to update all other components, but autobuilder blocks this approach | 01:58 |
| szoppin | is the maemo repo code open? | 01:58 |
| szoppin | could someone clone it and remove this limit? | 01:58 |
| szoppin | we could possibly then move step by step?? | 01:59 |
| Hurrian | hint hint: we break the working-well power management code with newer kernels and different bme | 01:59 |
| Hurrian | so what we do, is step by step | 01:59 |
| szoppin | pls elaborate? | 01:59 |
| Hurrian | recompiling whatever we can to newst libglib, and library patch is at /opt/newlibglib | 01:59 |
| szoppin | ok... | 02:00 |
| Hurrian | once we confirm that all stuff works with new libglib, we can patch libglib to expose old interfaces to old, closed programs | 02:00 |
| szoppin | would this pproach work? | 02:00 |
| Hurrian | then once that works, totally replace old libglib with new one | 02:00 |
| szoppin | we could use marmistrz repo for all things maemo repo blocks | 02:00 |
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| szoppin | not sure if autobuilder can be added to it for ease of use | 02:01 |
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| szoppin | but would make this almost transparent for participants | 02:01 |
| szoppin | just change sources list | 02:02 |
| Hurrian | actually, i'd use linaro's gcc for this | 02:02 |
| szoppin | we need to get aapo, his experience and fight with maemo autobuilder would come in handy | 02:02 |
| szoppin | he is the guy behind idea update this shit, just how | 02:03 |
| szoppin | we would still probably face some closed thingie complaining but ldlibrarypath to older version could possibly alleviate that | 02:04 |
| szoppin | then again libc6/glib are quite connected... worth a try though definitely | 02:05 |
| szoppin | Hurrian: could you think of a plan or something like it, steps to check if assertion works | 02:06 |
| szoppin | few tests to tell if this doesn't fail by unexpected reasons | 02:06 |
| szoppin | I would be more than happy to carry those out and report | 02:06 |
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| szoppin | if first results come back positive, this definitely deserves an epic thread in TMO | 02:08 |
| szoppin | and hope people will join to test all case scenarios | 02:08 |
| szoppin | having new libs for new stuff while keeping old versions for the ncompatible... sounds like few mb of opt to sacrifice for having up to date device | 02:10 |
| szoppin | would be revolution | 02:11 |
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| szoppin | one test I can come up is... get a newer libc requiring app. use latest precise or so to ldlibrarypath... oh wait | 02:12 |
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| szoppin | you'd need the full package with it | 02:13 |
| szoppin | c6/glib and will cry kernel too old, no? | 02:13 |
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| szoppin | kernel still seems like 'required' part | 02:14 |
| szoppin | getting current libs to work on newer one and this approach should be good to go | 02:15 |
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| szoppin | gn | 02:23 |
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| Hurrian | szop|zzz: patched the 2.6.37 kernel with pali's fremantle support patch | 02:45 |
| Hurrian | building now. | 02:45 |
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| Hurrian | we have a problem here | 03:48 |
| Hurrian | building 2.6.37 produces 100+ MB of modules | 03:48 |
| Hurrian | ugh | 03:48 |
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| ketas | hmm, 0xffff works fine with n900? | 09:50 |
| psycho_oreos | in what way? | 09:53 |
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| szop|zzz | Hurrian: 100mb? ouch... can get around 110 optifying fresh flash, and compression should do the rest | 10:04 |
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| szop | Hurrian: then again we will be overwriting, so some extra space from old modules, should be doable | 10:05 |
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| Hurrian | szop: uhh, turns out i left kernel debugging ON | 10:11 |
| Hurrian | if i turn it OFF | 10:11 |
| Hurrian | i can't see jack shit booting maemo | 10:12 |
| Hurrian | actually, it hangs starting sgx | 10:12 |
| Hurrian | garbled display, and it never actually loads any modules | 10:12 |
| szop | :/ | 10:14 |
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| ketas | psycho_oreos: that was question | 10:23 |
| ketas | psycho_oreos: if it works fine now | 10:23 |
| psycho_oreos | ketas, I have not used it for flashing however I do recall PaulFertser pointed me out a newer (git based) of 0xFFFF which should work with N900. I have not tested it out and I cannot recall what PaulFertser said specifically about that git version | 10:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | the last time I used 0xFFFF was to only extract img files off myriads of images and the results were ugly. I later realised if I used the standard nokia flasher tool to extract those img files, it does the extraction more cleanly (without question marks or some weird characters in filenames) | 10:26 |
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| szopin_ | Hurrian: maybe try with sgx from 12.04? | 10:40 |
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| Lykkepillen | So I'm looking at the overclocking page http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking and have decided to overclock my N900 - When i look at the AppManager, it seems that Titan don't want his kernel out there anymore.. Is thi because theres an issue with it? | 10:43 |
| psycho_oreos | titan stopped maintaining it, pali is the new maintainer for power-kernel (he also maintains a few other projects as well) | 10:44 |
| Lykkepillen | Then how do i download palis kernel? | 10:45 |
| psycho_oreos | he probably lost interest in tinkering with N900 altogether, pali prior to acquiring maintainership from titan tried desperately to get a hold of titan via email but titan never responded and it later somewhat became an unanimous decision to elect pali as the new maintainer with or without titan's consent | 10:46 |
| psycho_oreos | its available in the usual repositories | 10:46 |
| Lykkepillen | So should i use Palis or Titans version? My N900 is really old so i don't think it needs a lot of new stuff (unless It's all software based ofc) | 10:47 |
| psycho_oreos | pali would be the heavily recommended version.. I don't think you can obtain titan's version anymore unless you specifically imply that you wanted titan's version | 10:48 |
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| Lykkepillen | I just still only see the "Enchanced Linux kernel for power users (obsolete)" -Please REMOVE this package. | 10:55 |
| psycho_oreos | probably the proper one is further down the list.. I don't know I only install it through command line (more advanced) and if needed be use FAM to do necessary updates | 10:57 |
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| Lykkepillen | apt-get [What]? | 10:59 |
| Lykkepillen | And Palis version just called Enchanced Linux kernel as well? | 11:00 |
| psycho_oreos | pretty certain the last time I checked | 11:01 |
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| Lykkepillen | Okay here we go - Linux kernel for power user & Linux kernel for power user (setting and overclock) | 11:01 |
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| lartza_ | I'm wondering if there'll be cssu updates to telepathy-*, specifically -gabble. I'd like to make calls between empathy, n900 & n9 through my own ejabberd | 11:07 |
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| pigeon | what is the process on the n900 that monitors Xorg and reboot if Xorg dies? | 11:08 |
| lartza_ | this might be related https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387 | 11:08 |
| povbot | Bug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls | 11:08 |
| StyXman | svn update | 11:08 |
| StyXman | err... | 11:09 |
| StyXman | this double monitor thing< i can't get used to it :) | 11:09 |
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| Hurrian | hmm, how long has titan been MIA? | 11:12 |
| Hurrian | power46 was quite some time ago | 11:12 |
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| pigeon | would it be mce? | 11:20 |
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| pigeon | hmm seems not | 11:26 |
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| pigeon | ah, found, perhaps it's the -r in dsmetool | 11:30 |
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| Lykkepillen | psycho_oreos You got a page of commands somewhere? | 11:54 |
| veer | hello | 11:54 |
| veer | koi h | 11:54 |
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| Lykkepillen | psycho_oreos Okay i found it myself. Is your device OC? And should i try some undervolting or is that just a waste? | 12:03 |
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| ketas | psycho_oreos: sad, why nokia just didn't make flasher open too | 12:06 |
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| Lykkepillen | Anything wrong with setting the min and max MHz values to 125 - 850? | 12:11 |
| ketas | i'm just reading about why min freq setting is bad :) | 12:14 |
| psycho_oreos | Lykkepillen, no mine is never overclocked. I'm sure you know the reason why I don't overclock (on these particular devices) | 12:15 |
| psycho_oreos | ketas, that's nokia for you, they're paranoid about their ideas being copied/manipulated in the way that it would work against them. Or really just to prevent us from brewing our own images like android ROMs for instance | 12:16 |
| Lykkepillen | sycho_oreos Yea i get it if you regularly use the device, but i just want som fun with it before it dies :) - ketas You find anything? The default setting is 125 - 600 but when i set it to 'ideal' it goes to 500 - 850.. It seems like It's just a waste to keep it at 500 when it can be as low as 125? | 12:17 |
| psycho_oreos | s/never overclocked/abides the typical frequency settings/ | 12:17 |
| ketas | doh, making technology so closed that it defeats the main reason of it's existence! | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | Lykkepillen, there's probably users with overclocked devices, again I'm going to point out that overclocking further may most likely shorten your device's life sporadically compared to leaving how it is with the way things are\ | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | ketas, unfortunately, greed exists in humans. Otherwise we'd all be living in utopia where we would probably be far more technologically advanced than where we are right now | 12:19 |
| psycho_oreos | err probably everyday users with overclocked devices* | 12:20 |
| Lykkepillen | Yea i get that but i don't care that much for my N900 anymore, I haven't been using it for over a year so.. I just want it to prove what It's worth without breaking it the first week at least | 12:21 |
| ketas | you want to deliberately harm poor little n900 | 12:22 |
| ketas | :( | 12:22 |
| Lykkepillen | I just wanna have some fun? :/ | 12:22 |
| ketas | give it a hug instead | 12:23 |
| Lykkepillen | Then my Galaxy S2 might get jealous | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | unfortunately I don't know what would be the best settings and thankfully I won't be assisting you any further into overclocking your device to end its life quickly. Theres myriads of other functions within N900 that you can use without having to further reduce its already reduced life yet you chose to end it quickly\ | 12:24 |
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| Lykkepillen | Dont worry i don't directly harm it - I just want the option to overclock it if i need it at some point - I wont be loading the overclock setting by default :) | 12:25 |
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| * psycho_oreos shakes head in dismay and continues watching anime whilst checking to see how his N900 is going | 12:26 | |
| ketas | Lykkepillen: i can feel it's pain | 12:27 |
| Lykkepillen | You guys make me feel bad about it.. | 12:27 |
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| ketas | http://cdn.theunlockr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/N900-1700mhz.jpg | 12:29 |
| psycho_oreos | if you haven't explored the full capabilities of a linux distro sitting on top of a handheld hardware that has cellular capability, that has wlan/bt/fm_transreceiver/gps/accelerometer/light_sensor/LED_customisation capability, that has loads of storage space (plus the option to further expand its internal space), then you truly would never understand that its hard to put down a N900.. Hopefully someday you'll find something interesting but it appea | 12:31 |
| psycho_oreos | rs to work only for N900 and then you'll realise your own pitfalls | 12:31 |
| ketas | ( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=605523&postcount=90 ) | 12:31 |
| psycho_oreos | and android doesn't count here fyi | 12:31 |
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| ketas | anyone has n950? :) | 12:32 |
| ketas | btw | 12:33 |
| ketas | since i looked up specifications for n900, i've always worried about that flash swap | 12:33 |
| pigeon | hmm, tried changing the dsmetool -r into a -t, but it's still resetting the n900 when xorg dies. | 12:34 |
| ketas | maybe that should be moved out to replaceable media?! | 12:34 |
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| Lykkepillen | I actually bought my N900 because of the keyboard and the FM transmitter, but when i got tired of the keyboard i kinda lost interest in the thing.. I'm not a Linux guy (servers excluded) so i guess I'm not the idea user for the N900 at all | 12:39 |
| bazik | heya, i've read somewhere that it's possible to disable the 'themeing' for certain applications (e.g. wireshark), so that they appear in their original gui... but i didnt bookmark that guide, anyone got a hint? (n900) | 12:39 |
| Lykkepillen | -Now i just want to have some fun with it since it has no SIM card and no really purpose. So I'm open for ideas if you guys got any beside overclocking it | 12:39 |
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| ketas | bazik: what's "original" gui` | 12:46 |
| ketas | bazik: ? | 12:46 |
| ketas | Lykkepillen: you can sell it | 12:47 |
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| ketas | Lykkepillen: it's interesting small device really, as psycho_oreos said | 12:47 |
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| FluxiFlax2023 | finally got rid of that piece of overprice shit called N900..WTF..FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS if you like MAEMO and it's crappy apps | 12:48 |
| ketas | Lykkepillen: what | 12:48 |
| bazik | ketas: well, on some applications, the gui gets 'rewritten', like file open dialogs. and this breaks some apps. | 12:48 |
| ketas | err | 12:48 |
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| ketas | s/Lykkepillen: // | 12:49 |
| bazik | ketas: with original, i mean the native GTK or QT gui, 1:1 from the desktop app | 12:49 |
| Lykkepillen | Sorry but i have no idea what your s/ means :/ | 12:50 |
| ketas | substition | 12:50 |
| Lykkepillen | And a N900 is going for like 100$ where i live.. It's really not worth selling | 12:50 |
| ketas | used in many places | 12:50 |
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| ketas | hmm, n900 makes nice standalone security camera, for example | 12:51 |
| ketas | it could make stream player | 12:51 |
| ketas | a portable gps tracker device | 12:51 |
| ketas | for whatever | 12:51 |
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| Lykkepillen | I got 2 thumb sized cameras for security and my Samsung got GPS :/ | 12:52 |
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| ketas | hmm | 12:53 |
| ketas | well you can find use for it | 12:53 |
| ketas | :P | 12:53 |
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| ShadowJK | im actually trying to buy spare n900s atm | 12:54 |
| Lykkepillen | The best thing i could come up with was to use it as a remote when i couldn't find the one that came with my TV - But i have to stand up for the IR to reach the TV now :/ | 12:55 |
| ketas | hmm, why ShadowJK is like familiar nick | 12:55 |
| * ketas pokes ShadowJK | 12:55 | |
| Lykkepillen | Where do you live ShadowJK? | 12:55 |
| ShadowJK | finland | 12:55 |
| Lykkepillen | I don't think i want to be shipping internationally sorry :P | 12:56 |
| ketas | nokialand | 12:56 |
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| lartza_ | cheapest are ~100e in huuto.net | 12:56 |
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| ShadowJK | you're in norway? | 12:57 |
| ketas | hmm was 168 eur too much for mine? | 12:57 |
| ketas | looked ok | 12:57 |
| * ShadowJK guesses on nick | 12:57 | |
| Lykkepillen | Denmark | 12:58 |
| Lykkepillen | :P | 12:58 |
| Lykkepillen | Mine's does not exactly look brand new.. | 12:58 |
| Lykkepillen | Anyway I'm off to lunch - Be back in an hour :) | 12:59 |
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| ShadowJK | oh damn, denmark. I already had it figured out, lykkepillen in norway, lyggebillen in denmark, lyckepiller in sweden, and asdfghjkl in finland | 12:59 |
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| Lykkepillen | Lykkepillen is Denmark.. Not lyggebillen D: That translates .. Lykkebeetle.. Anyway AFK! | 13:00 |
| ShadowJK | lartza_, the annoying thing about huuto is that there's a worn n900 going today, but hten there's a n900 with 20 months warranty going next week | 13:01 |
| ShadowJK | maybe i'll get both :] | 13:01 |
| ketas | pillukulli | 13:01 |
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| lartza_ | well... you don't get n900 from warranty anyway anymore. N8 maybe or something | 13:04 |
| szopin_ | Hurrian: btw, did you enable the thumb errata freemangordon mentioned in that 37 build? | 13:10 |
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| jester` | upgrading to SSU :) | 14:13 |
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| Hurrian | @szopin_, yes. | 14:27 |
| szopin_ | you could try 12.04 on it, would confirm/refute the idea thumb issue is preventing stable boots | 14:29 |
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| Hurrian | uhh, meego kernel is already built with errata enabled | 14:29 |
| szopin_ | hope my sd arrives today | 14:29 |
| Hurrian | oh wait | 14:30 |
| Hurrian | its not | 14:30 |
| szopin_ | freemangordon pointed that out as possible reason for crashes | 14:30 |
| Hurrian | brb building an armhf kernel | 14:31 |
| szopin_ | :) | 14:31 |
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| Hurrian | uhh, lemme build a new kernel for my ps3 first | 14:32 |
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| int_ua | Are the scrolling glitches caused by some closed component of Maemo? | 14:44 |
| int_ua | they affect at least file selection dialog and default file manager | 14:45 |
| int_ua | s/scrolling glitches/scrolling slowness and filtering glitches/ | 14:47 |
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| teotwaki | I love how the "recent update" in the /topic is roughly 6 months old. | 14:53 |
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| ketas | hmm, why do i remember completing all levels of doom in nokia 5500 | 15:33 |
| ketas | completely unrelated here, however | 15:33 |
| bazik | is it a known issue that the n900 reboot-loops after mobilehotspot or qtmobilehotspot are installed? | 15:37 |
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| Untouchab1e | anyone know of any way to retrieve the CellID of a given phone? | 17:13 |
| Untouchab1e | as in, not your own phone, but someone else's? | 17:13 |
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| BCMM | i just got my replacement n900! | 19:25 |
| BCMM | second time i've sent one off for a broken USB | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Huh? | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | How? | 19:26 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: nokia care, under warranty | 19:26 |
| BCMM | 2 years in the EU | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | And who did you have to threaten to kill to get replacement n900? | 19:26 |
| BCMM | nah, the EU does all the threatening for me | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I got a symbian thing despite specifically requesting a n900 | 19:26 |
| BCMM | although i am surprised it's the same phone | 19:27 |
| BCMM | they tell you to keep all the accessories, right | 19:27 |
| BCMM | now, last time, they rang me up and said i could have a symbian thing or wait a bit while they found an n900 for me | 19:27 |
| BCMM | then they sent my *just* and n900 with no back | 19:27 |
| BCMM | this time, no word out of them, and they sent me a retail boxed handset | 19:28 |
| BCMM | so now i have a spare charger and everything | 19:28 |
| sethstorm | BCMM: quite lucky | 19:28 |
| BCMM | weeee! free power supply for my hypothetical raspberry pi | 19:28 |
| sethstorm | I ended up having to find another N900 for sale | 19:29 |
| BCMM | i was expecting to do taht | 19:29 |
| sethstorm | since warranty was out and nobody would even touch the thing, even the folks that get cited by Nokia for doing repairs in the US | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 19:29 |
| BCMM | my warranty is out in a couple of months | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | sethstorm: where'd you find a N900 for sale? | 19:30 |
| BCMM | so i guess i'm going to have to reinforce this one's USB port somehow | 19:30 |
| BCMM | this scares me a great deal | 19:30 |
| sethstorm | it was a while back on Amazon IIRC | 19:30 |
| sethstorm | the odd thing was that it had mismatched s/n on the outer box vs the inner | 19:30 |
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| sethstorm | unit s/n has warranty, outer box didnt | 19:31 |
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| BCMM | oh and they gave me a free wrist strap (??) | 19:31 |
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| BCMM | that smells of real leather and has a useless piece of metal decoration that would hit the screen in actual use... | 19:33 |
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| sethstorm | BCMM: is your replacement unit the newer N900 or the older one | 19:34 |
| BCMM | sethstorm: there are two versions? | 19:34 |
| BCMM | how do you tell? | 19:34 |
| sethstorm | *grabs N900* | 19:35 |
| sethstorm | is it on or off? | 19:35 |
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| BCMM | sethstorm: off, not put the battery in yet | 19:36 |
| BCMM | i came here to ask how best to get stuff back the way i liked it | 19:36 |
| BCMM | i have a backup from the backup program and an rsynced dir of my home directory minus some crap like "cities" | 19:37 |
| sethstorm | if it says FCCID:LJPRX-51X on the battery compartment, it's the newer one | 19:37 |
| sethstorm | if it's just FCCID:LJPRX-51 it's the older one | 19:38 |
| BCMM | i guess it's "install cssu; restore backups with backup program, then overwrite stuff with my backed-up home directory and selected bits of /etc/"? | 19:38 |
| BCMM | sethstorm: there is an X at the end | 19:38 |
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| luke-jr | sethstorm: which merchant on Amazon? | 19:38 |
| BCMM | what are the differences? | 19:38 |
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| BCMM | sethstorm: i'm guessing it's not "they armoured the USB ports now"? | 19:39 |
| sethstorm | BCMM: more like you having to use a different version of u-boot | 19:39 |
| BCMM | is that the thing you use to select different kernels at bootup? | 19:40 |
| sethstorm | one of them, yes. | 19:40 |
| sethstorm | but as far as restoring your backup, what says CSSU first? | 19:40 |
| BCMM | sethstorm: problems installing the package list without it? | 19:41 |
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| BCMM | don't actually know if i have anything that requires cssu | 19:41 |
| sethstorm | if it's Nokia's own backup software, I'd do CSSU afterwards | 19:42 |
| sethstorm | restore backup, install CSSU, then the rest of your restore | 19:42 |
| BCMM | thanks; i'll do that then | 19:42 |
| BCMM | by the way, anybody know where the layout of the homescreen widgets is stored? | 19:43 |
| BCMM | i was rather attached to the way i had it set up | 19:43 |
| Pali | ping freemangordon | 19:43 |
| BCMM | sethstorm: also, were there any practical differences between hardware versions apart from boot? | 19:43 |
| sethstorm | BCMM: none that I've encountered elsewhere | 19:44 |
| BCMM | my life will be so much less stressful now that i have a spare stylus. | 19:45 |
| BCMM | aah that awful hands animation | 19:46 |
| BCMM | i'm not sure i backed up my boot video... | 19:46 |
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| StyXman | is there any way to access the browser's password database ? | 19:50 |
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| BCMM | StyXman: not that i know of, but then again there might well be a way to get at it using firefox's underlying stuff | 19:52 |
| BCMM | i mean, if you're really stuck for an important password, copy the pass db to a real fx install | 19:52 |
| StyXman | BCMM: the default browser is a ffox derivative? | 19:53 |
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| BCMM | StyXman: yeah | 19:54 |
| BCMM | StyXman: about:config and friends are still there :) | 19:54 |
| BCMM | (and about:mozilla :) | 19:54 |
| StyXman | :) | 19:54 |
| StyXman | nice | 19:55 |
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| sopin | not sure if installing sb was necessary, got 'make menuconfig' on-device with meego kernel (took ages to unpack, no idea if compiles yet) | 23:53 |
| sopin | Hurrian: what options are best? got a headache looking through all that alone | 23:53 |
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| sopin | or did you apply pali's patches and errata outside of it? | 23:54 |
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| sopin | I guess I'll repeat myself then | 23:55 |
| sopin | not sure if installing sb was necessary, got 'make menuconfig' on-device with meego kernel (took ages to unpack, no idea if compiles yet) | 23:55 |
| sopin | Hurrian|away: what options are best? got a headache looking through all that alone | 23:55 |
| sopin | or did you apply pali's patches and errata outside of it? | 23:55 |
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| sopin | pali: know a way to introduce your patch on device? | 23:56 |
| sopin | even after setting up sb, wasting 3h of commute time per day, on device option would allow more 'progress' (hopefully) | 23:57 |
| sopin | bus ride is snappy when doing actual stuff | 23:58 |
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| sopin | I could prolly remote to SB, to avoid this... anyone could share their experience? | 23:59 |
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