IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-03-11

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MohammadAGSo it begins, the clearance delay routine00:46
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hiemanshuMohammadAG: Lumia?01:04
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Raimu-XHmm, does n900-Sociality still display notifications all proper on your phones?01:05
Raimu-XStopped showing any some days or weeks ago for me. Wondering it it is something Facebook changed or if I need to do something.01:06
MohammadAGIt doesnt, you need the manage_notifications token01:06
MohammadAGFacebook broke it, it's a one line code change in loginwindow.cpp01:07
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Hurrian@javispedro, ping02:31
javispedropong Hurrian02:31
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Hurrianjust wanted to ask, how does the N950 slider feel like?02:32
Hurriandoes it give some resistance like the N900 or does it just slip?02:32
javispedrothe first word that comes to mind is "fragile". other than that, it is kinda cool, but I never liked the angle02:33
javispedronah, no resistance, it quickly snaps into one position or the other02:33
Hurrianand the keyboard?02:34
GeneralAntillesThe broken as shit text input makes the keyboard really pointless. :\02:35
GeneralAntillesPlagued with race conditions.02:35
GeneralAntillesFirst two letters of a new sentence being capitalized02:35
GeneralAntillesor only the second letter02:36
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GeneralAntillesOr first letters of the first two words of a sentence being capitalized.02:36
Hurrianside note: i do not see the point of giving devs a dev device with hardware different from the release version02:36
SpeedEvilHurrian: They already had a stock of n950 that was otherwise going in the bin.02:36
GeneralAntillesWell, they probably had a bunch and needed somewhere to dump them since they weren't selling them.02:36
Hurrianthe rumors of it being a rejected consumer device are prolly true02:36
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SpeedEvilHurrian: It's not rumors.02:37
javispedroalso, I cannot enter tildes using the hw keyboard because unlike fremantle the chr palette does not show tildes02:37
SpeedEvilHurrian: You absolutely don't spend several million dollars to give a few thousand devs a unique phone.02:38
dangergrrluhm nokia actually did02:38
SpeedEvildangergrrl: With the original intent of.02:38
SpeedEvilOf course that's what happened.02:38
dangergrrli don't know02:38
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, does on the en_US layout.02:39
SpeedEvilBut back when the n950 was being designed - things looked a whole lot rosier for maemo.02:39
dangergrrlbut the n950s must have been pricey02:39
SpeedEvilTalk of 'the next billion' phones.02:39
dangergrrlthey gave DocScrutinizer one02:39
* GeneralAntilles dies a little inside.02:39
dangergrrland only made a few hundred02:39
Hurrianugh, wish i'd have applied for the dev program if i knew nokia was just handing them out02:39
javispedroGeneralAntilles: ah, fremantle was smart enough to detect I was using es_ES but with US layout and showed the tildes on the palette02:40
GeneralAntilles3 of the 5 people in this discussion got one.02:40
SpeedEvilHurrian: There were sharply limited numbers.02:40
dangergrrlhe's a sweet guy to be sure02:40
Hurrianbecause seriously, anything that would not require opened aegis can be done in qt creator02:40
dangergrrlbut why the hell they did that i have no clue02:40
GeneralAntillesGave DocScrutinizer a device?02:40
Hurrian@speedevil, probably exactly one production run's worth02:41
GeneralAntillesNot familiar with him work, then?02:41
dangergrrlgave the loyal devs a prdouction device that cost them $$$$$02:41
dangergrrlhe is awesome02:41
dangergrrli would give him toys too02:41
Hurrian@dangergrrl, the toys were "first come first serve"02:41
dangergrrlbut they only made hundreds02:42
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dangergrrlso i think my next platform is the nook tablet02:42
Hurrianone has to wonder why it was actually put into production of hundreds even if it was to be binned02:42
dangergrrli will be homeless02:42
GeneralAntillesdangergrrl, they made thousands, not hundreds.02:43
GeneralAntillesHurrian, the decision clearly came after the production run.02:43
Hurrianhow long were these in storage?02:43
dangergrrlmaybe a week02:43
GeneralAntillesMy sense is that the shift to WP7 was a pretty rapid change.02:43
dangergrrlthat is what i understand too02:43
Hurrianthere were leaked n950s on the internet for MONTHS  before nokia said "hey guise, we're unloading excess stock"02:44
dangergrrland i know a guy who works at nokia in finland02:44
Hurriando you remember the prototype C0 with meego?02:44
Hurrianfrom china?02:44
dangergrrlhe told me our dreams would be crushed02:44
dangergrrli think the best platform right now for handheld is barnes and noble nook hacked with CM02:45
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Hurrianisnt the bootloader on new nooks locked?02:45
dangergrrli love my n90002:45
Hurrianor was it the kindle?02:45
dangergrrlit was broken last month02:45
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dangergrrlbefore the bootloader break the kindle was the better deal02:46
Hurrianin ~1 year, maemo people would probably need a new phone02:46
dangergrrli want an n902:46
Hurrianmost here have owned their phone for 2 years already02:47
dangergrrldon't think i don't02:47
dangergrrlbut it costs like $1000 us02:47
Hurrian@dangergrrl, the N9 is only a marginal hw improvement over the N90002:47
dangergrrland a nook tablet is $25002:47
psycho_oreosand its a piece of crap, the n902:48
Hurrianit's not the quantum leap quad core omap device we've been waiting for02:48
dangergrrlit's a A9 dual core with only a little more ram02:48
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Hurrianthe N9 is quite literally early 2011 hardware02:48
dangergrrlthe n9 is crap agreeable02:49
dangergrrlbut do you want a tablet or a phone02:49
Hurrianonly for maemo diehards "it's step 5!!!!!111!!!!"02:49
dangergrrlthe NT with cyanogen is a nice step up02:50
javispedrowhat you should be asking is why didn't zehjotkah (on the picture) punch the other guy in the face
Hurriani want a phonblet02:50
dangergrrlyou have one02:50
GeneralAntillesThere is no best platform.02:51
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dangergrrlget a nook tablet and use voip02:51
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, because he's clearly got a better sense of irony than that. :P02:51
Hurrian4.3-5 inches, Cortex A15 with SGX543MP gpu 2GB of ram and an embedded SATA SSD. one can only dream.02:51
GeneralAntillesStupid FedEx02:51
GeneralAntilles"Incorrect address"02:51
GeneralAntillesMy ass.02:51
Hurriani'd probably go bankrupt trying to convince a china factory to build them02:52
derfI wouldn't deliver to your ass.02:52
GeneralAntillesderf, clearly you should unionize.02:52
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javispedroIn the meanwhile, enjoy your resistive screens while you can03:00
javispedrocapacitive sucks03:00
javispedroall those tricks to select text are laughable, even the harmattan one fails to me because uplifting the finger usually causes the cursor to move03:01
ketascapacitive is great pita03:02
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ketasit's hard to use on laptop touchpad too03:02
ketas"things happening"03:02
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, amen.03:02
DocScrutinizerfsckng twitter URL again03:02
ketasso n900 can't support sim toolkit?03:03
javispedroDocScrutinizer: alt text: a picture of zehjotkah and elop both smiling03:03
javispedro@ mwc03:03
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: thanks03:03
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DocScrutinizeroops, an _ missing at the "E"03:04
javispedroi am wearing out the camera button on my n900 :(03:04
ketashow come03:05
javispedroI can no longer get it to focus only03:05
DocScrutinizerI'll get you a new switch03:05
DocScrutinizerI think I've seen compatible ones at digikey03:05
javispedroI should pry it open some day03:05
ketasjavispedro: tried to press half way?03:05
javispedroketas: had this thing for 2 years and a half already ;P03:05
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ketasyou mean you can't ever focus with button anymore?03:06
ketashaven't had that issue with my devices03:06
ketasi don't have n900, though03:06
javispedroI can with luck, it's just that the pressure required for it to trigger anything is large03:06
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javispedrothat's basically the definition of a weared out button =)03:07
ketasumm, but can you shoot normally?03:07
ketasonly the focusing function is broken?03:07
javispedroI can shoot, but it's surely to fail soon too.03:07
DocScrutinizerget a new switch, and a monkey to solder it03:08
ketashaven't really heard that someone's phone's two-way camera button is broken03:08
ketasn900 specific issue?03:08
ketasi'm getting n900 soon03:08
DocScrutinizerketas: I bet you haven't heard of a lot of things yet03:08
ketasa used one03:08
javispedroI could believe this is normal usage03:08
javispedrothat button has probably been pressed ~10000 times03:08
ketasDocScrutinizer: you say that n900 is hw fail?03:09
DocScrutinizerwhich is ~ what it's specified for03:09
javispedroenough to be around the standard lifetime for cheap ones03:09
DocScrutinizerketas: I say we probably know hw beter than you, if you haven't heard of such things yet03:09
javispedromaybe I should get a new front bezel, it's full of dents =)03:10
ketasDocScrutinizer: you mean specifically n900 hardware?03:10
ketasDocScrutinizer: maybe yes03:10
DocScrutinizerI mean I'm an experienced EE and thus probably heard of things you never get to hear in your life03:10
GeneralAntilles^ understatement03:11
javispedroFor some reason I remembered that when I was on the plan, the RCA double jack to stereo adaptor thingie they give you on delta decided to desintegrate03:12
ketasDocScrutinizer: so you have heard many cases of phone camera button failures?03:12
infobotjavispedro meant: For some reason I remembered that when I was on the plane, the RCA double jack to stereo adaptor thingie they give you on delta decided to desintegrate03:12
DocScrutinizerI've seen this sort of crappy button wear out way too often and way too fast03:12
DocScrutinizeron all sorts of hw03:12
javispedrothe plastic self-destroyed and all the jack pieces were in my hand, and of course the attendant had to come at that moment03:13
GeneralAntillesYou evil man.03:13
javispedrofortunately, I guess they've seen that thing explode often, because I was starting to believe they'd take me for a terrorist03:13
GeneralAntillesDestroying poor 3.5mm adaptors.03:13
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javispedroyeah, taking the plane apart, piece by piece!03:14
* GeneralAntilles slowly starves to death for want of a clear thing to eat for dinner.03:14
ketasDocScrutinizer: however why would you say that i never get to hear such things in life?03:14
GeneralAntillesBecause they're all in German.03:15
DocScrutinizerI thought of other things that you aren't very likely to hear about if you're not in industry as chief of HW dept or R&D03:15
ketastrue, i'm not exactly in hw r&d field03:16
DocScrutinizerlike Seiko selling backup batery button cells that have a death rate of 95% during 12 months of usage03:17
ketasusual crap03:17
GeneralAntillesThat's awesome.03:17
DocScrutinizerand literally everybody in mobile business used those cells like 2 years ago03:17
ketaswhat WTF03:17
nox-so n900 have them too?03:18
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DocScrutinizerthat's why N900 can't keep time of RTC when main bat removed, if it's a device in use since >12 months03:18
ketasis that cell primary one?03:18
ketasyou can charge it then?03:18
DocScrutinizerLiIon Mg type03:18
nox-oh well...03:18
DocScrutinizeruse the capacitive alternative, it 'just works'03:21
ketasi'm wondering if that's worth hassle to replace03:21
Hurrianugh, crap, my phone's focus bottom's wearing out too03:21
Hurrian@docscrutinizer, would it be possible to just swap out the rtc bat for a capacitor?03:22
Hurriandont feel to good about having a flat bat inside my phone03:22
DocScrutinizerHurrian: yep, see the pdf I linked above, the capacitor types are same footprint and drop-in compatible03:23
ketaswhat do they use in nowadays devices?03:23
DocScrutinizerof course they don't offer months of standby, like a fresh LiIon type does03:24
psycho_oreosgrr any of you familiar with dpkg-deb --build? trying to recompile a deb file but even if I set TMPDIR && TMP variable to a place where it doesn't build in /tmp it still fails03:24
Hurrian@doc - who'd do that though?03:24
DocScrutinizersome did03:24
DocScrutinizereven here in this chan03:24
Hurrianif for months standby, i'd pull the bat out03:24
ketasthat one too?03:25
javispedropsycho_oreos: you mean rebuild as in repackage?03:25
DocScrutinizerHurrian: you can't pull out that backup bat03:25
psycho_oreosjavispedro, yup03:25
ketasah fuck03:25
javispedropsycho_oreos: pastebin the output03:25
ketasok, how much have failed microusb socket?03:25
Hurrianno, i meant that if i'd leave the phone off for months, i'd pull the main bat and expect rtc to be reset03:25
ketasheard that was weak point too03:26
javispedrortc resets on mine after 0.0001 seconds of main battery out03:26
Hurrianbut for quick sim/bat changeouts, i'd want a cap instead of a dead battery03:26
ketasi'm wondering what is in my 580003:27
ketasstill seems to keep time03:27
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Hurrian@ketas, it's a very weak point on many units03:30
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DocScrutinizerketas: probably primary cell03:32
DocScrutinizerthey used to use LiIon primary some years ago03:32
DocScrutinizeroften soldered to the flex cable that connects/forms the kbd03:32
DocScrutinizerand those were fine for years of standby03:33
DocScrutinizeractually my 6210 still holds RTC, even after years without mains battery, and that device got purchased 200003:34
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ketasthat's only switched on when main battery is off, right?03:34
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ketashmm, will be fine then, considering i almost always have battery charged03:35
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ketasthat it, i use it as my main phone03:35
infobotketas meant: that is, i use it as my main phone03:36
ketastaking your words back is not that easy03:36
Hurrian@ketas, i would advise that you have usb port soldered down asap03:36
ketaswell i'm only planning to get used n900 currently03:37
ketasi'll see what happens03:37
Hurrianif usb port works, solder it down and don't use it03:38
ketashah, don't used it?!03:38
Hurrianget a touchstone kit or something, then carve out the back of the phone's bl-5j03:38
DocScrutinizerHurrian: eh?03:38
Hurrianthe guide to minimal use of the USB port aka super paranoid mode03:39
Hurrianuse it only for reflashing without backupmenu03:39
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Hurriandata transfers = do over wifi (slow) or use microsd card03:40
ketasnah, i don't really twist cables around, i think it'll work03:40
Hurrianjust be careful03:40
Hurrianalso, who knows how old owner took care of that usb port.03:41
Hurrianat the very least, get usb port soldered down at some phone repair store03:41
Hurriandid you read the thread about preemptive fix?03:42
ketasif it breaks03:42
Hurrianit is a pita to fix if it breaks a certain way03:42
Hurrianif you're lucky, solder fractures and rips port off. solution: clean solder from board, buy new port03:42
ketasbreaks traces, eh?03:43
Hurrianif solder pads break traces, thats a pita03:43
Hurrian@DocScrutinizer, what's the better way to fix it - solder closer to usb controller or use test pads?03:43
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javispedroin my 2 year and a half old n900 I have had no single problem with the usb port03:44
DocScrutinizersame here, with 2 devices03:45
javispedroand I use it heavily (how you think the ~10000 pictures were downloaded from it :D )03:45
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ketashm hm hm... you suggest to fix it before it breaks?03:46
Hurrian@javispedro, you may be lucky then03:49
Hurriani have had to fix 3 N900s with botched usb ports that i bought second-hand03:49
ketasoh well...03:50
Hurrianas in, they only charge, couldnt reflash because data lines were wobbly03:50
ketashah, suggestion to file down microusb plug hooks03:50
Hurrianit actually helps a lot03:51
Hurrianhave you tried pulling a usb cable with a hook?03:51
Hurrianit gives 5x the resistance03:51
Hurrianpushing it in is another story03:52
Hurrianit's fairly hard to line up a cable perfectly into the usb port03:52
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ketasyea, it snaps fairly hard03:54
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ketaslooking pictures, so usb port isn't really supported besides from connecting pins?03:55
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DocScrutinizernonsense, there are like 6 mech support posts04:01
DocScrutinizerget the plain PCB footprint at my N900-gallery04:01
DocScrutinizeryou see the pads for mech support04:02
DocScrutinizerbut on a number of devices it seems they did a poor job on keeping the receptacle component flush to PCB when soldering it down, so mech support may be poorly or even partially soldered04:03
ketashmm, worth to check?04:04
ketaswhen i receive it04:04
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ketasis there way to determine faulty batch from manufacturing date or is it random?04:06
DocScrutinizerdefinitely worh to check if USB works, yes04:06
DocScrutinizerotherwise, when you disassemble it anyway to check soldering, you as well can do ~usbfix04:07
DocScrutinizerwhich is first and foremost about reinforcing USB *before* it breaks04:07
ketaslike ?04:08
DocScrutinizerI dunno of any other way to determine whether device might have a wacky USB, than just inspecting it04:08
DocScrutinizeryes, exactly that one04:08
Hurrianmost n900s are 2101 revision, so no04:09
ketashmm, sad... so suggestion is to disassemble it for checking, before it breaks off with pcb traces (worst way possible)04:10
Hurrianactually, you can use the stylus to check for wobbliness04:11
Hurrianin any case, solder it down04:11
ketashowever the owner says that phone is still covered with 2 months worth of warranty... although i don't think warranty helps me with still working device04:13
ketasmaybe i should lie about usb problems?! :P04:13
psycho_oreosclaiming it on warranty... bad idea04:14
psycho_oreosfor starters it'll be one good way to rid your N900 and be offered some piece of crap symbian powered device (or two)04:14
psycho_oreosI simply think you're overlooking at a simple issue that most N900 faces. There's countless of other issues that N900 has when it was in the hands of the previous owner04:16
ketasyou mean they rather replace it with something else?04:16
psycho_oreosif the threads on tmo doesn't tell you enough what people have subjected their lovely little (well it was lovely) N900 to, then I don't know what will04:17
Hurrianketas, do you think nokia still has tons of rx-51 boards?04:17
psycho_oreosno they will replace it04:17
ketaswell i'm aware of issues complex electronic device might be have if used by whoever04:17
ketaslet's hope it will work04:17
Hurrianissues facing 2nd hand n900s:04:18
psycho_oreoswhen you test the device and it's starting to break, get it soldered, its not hard04:18
psycho_oreoserr that microUSB port04:18
Hurrianwobbly usb, broken emmc, loose slider, shattered back cover, missing stylus04:18
ketasi'm going to examine it before i buy04:19
ketasfrom pictures it seems like it's good condition04:20
Hurrianits hard to describe how n900 slider is supposed to feel though04:20
psycho_oreosoverclocked (excessively) N900, issues with MMC, coffee (or other liquids) spilt/dipped04:20
ketaslike 5800?04:20
Hurrianit should be one smooth motion with slight resistance, then it clicks into place04:20
Hurrianthen pushing the slider down, its slightly harder than opening it04:21
ketasoh that thing04:21
Hurrian@psycho_oreos, has there ever been a confirmed case of CPU blowout?04:21
ketasyou mean sliding of the keyboard?04:21
psycho_oreosHurrian, no because people are usually hush hush about the little stupidity things they do with the poor device that would otherwise benefit from proper cooling04:22
ketasi have played with n900 before, not sure if i remember how it felt04:22
Hurrian@psycho_oreos, i am fairly certain that i saw one tmo member's oc profile being 1000-1150.04:23
psycho_oreosits kinda like this: "hey so I have a problem with my N900, my wlan/bt/cell no longer works", "what does dmesg say?", "<out comes lots of text>", "hmm that's unusual, have you subjected the device with liquids before?", "yes previously but I managed to wipe the stains off", "..."04:23
ketasin other news, i broke topmost layer of display in my 580004:23
psycho_oreosHurrian, I'd love to see how long would his N900 last in that state.. without any extra cooling04:24
Hurriannever mind the fact that at OPP voltage level 60, that shit's crazy hot04:24
ketasburst in flames04:24
ketasbtw, reminds me that most useless app i've found for a phone is palm heater04:25
Hurrianoh ketas, btw, make sure that your sim card fits in nice and tight04:25
ketasjust turns everything on04:25
Hurrian@ketas, the N900 on stock clock with wifi on and heavy browsing does that just fine04:26
ketasgood to hear04:26
psycho_oreosthere are other minor issues with second hand N900, such as battery is a bit loose or that the device bootloops when you first got it04:26
Hurrian@psycho_oreos - battery loose? wtf?04:27
ketaswell from pictures, owner seems to have taken care of it... what i don't like is way he wrapped charger cable tightly around the charger04:28
ketasi'll see how it feels in hand04:28
psycho_oreospersonally, I wouldn't buy N900 off internet or off remote places. The thing is that it would be far ideal for you to examine and then criticise the owner for any flaws.. especially liquid spills, if the device has been subjected to liquid of any form, consider expensive/costly issues in the long run04:28
Hurrianyou're much better off getting a common charger plus a CA-101 filed down04:28
Hurrianthe AC-10/U that comes with it sucks04:29
psycho_oreosHurrian, yeah the gold/bronze pins on the underside of BL-5J don't clip on well with the post on the N900, when for instance without the battery cover on the N900 and one holds the N900 in the usual obverse way, the battery either starts to hang out or completely falls off04:29
Hurrianand regarding liquid spills, do not get anything under the slide.04:30
Hurrianthat portion is not covered04:30
ketasthis is local auction site, owner even wants to meet in person to assure good working order of device04:30
psycho_oreosnot even on the keymat04:30
psycho_oreoswell that's an added bonus04:30
Hurrian@psycho_oreos, there's still the kb matrix clicky thing protecting the board04:31
psycho_oreosHurrian, yeah but that maybe is only for minor spills, not major ones like submerging for instance :)04:31
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Hurrianit is a pita to replace yourself though04:31
Hurrianjeebus, the phone is full of holes04:31
Hurriany u do dat04:31
Hurrianloudspeaker, giant hole for slider cage base, stylus, test pad holes, usb04:32
ketasmy phone, it's full of holes!!!04:32
ketasmy nokia n900 is full of eels04:32
Hurrian@psycho_oreos, how do you get the dust out of the back btw?04:33
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psycho_oreosnah some people just don't appreciate how vulnerable electronics are, even to the point when they become handhelds.. they almost always have this rather strange belief that mobiles can withstand certain amounts of damages before it completely gives up. Even worse is the fact that N900 bearing Nokia branding, people have had issues with nokia phones by either excessively dropping the device onto hard surface and/or putting the device in for a wash..04:34
psycho_oreos Sure enough with proper reassembly/drying one can get their device working again04:34
psycho_oreosbah he's gone04:34
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ketashmm, washing n90004:37
ketasanyone managed to do it?04:37
psycho_oreosyou may find some on tmo04:38
psycho_oreosI can't imagine washing N900 would be that interesting.. I'd rather see the owner washing themselves inside a washing machine instead04:39
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ketasi would want human washing machine04:41
SpeedEvilketas: err - why?04:41
ketasthey made one for dogs already04:41
SpeedEvilI believe it's called a shower.04:41
ketasmaybe the washing machine will help me washing more frequently04:42
SpeedEvilI've actually considered a device with a pressure-washer on 'mist' - and a really high velocity fan.04:42
psycho_oreosor a bath.. but no, neither shower nor bath would be equivalent to being inside a washing machine.. you get fully submerged and being spun around several times04:43
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ketasi'd get dizzy04:43
psycho_oreosimagine what would your poor N900 be when it goes through the washing machine04:44
ketasi can feel pain of it04:44
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ketasnow, there are actually some phones available that are rated for submersion04:45
ketasi'm wondering how true it is04:46
psycho_oreosone could probably drown inside a human sized washing machine.. try holding your breath for maybe 10-20 minutes whilst being spun around vigorously.. and that being repeated at least 5 times within 1 hour wash04:46
ketaswell, no need to spin body around04:46
psycho_oreos.. that's what washing machines do :p04:47
ketaswell for clothes, yes04:47
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psycho_oreosno I'm saying this is what would usually happen if N900 happens to go through the wash04:47
ketasi think i opt for shower instead04:47
psycho_oreosthe bottom line is that you should treat N900 with utmost respect. There aren't many N900 (that are working well) left in this world especially with the idiots putting their N900 in all sorts of different situations and then finding out their N900 is broken.04:50
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psycho_oreosnegligence is not an option.. its also essentially your money going down the drain04:50
ketasrare n90004:52
ketaswhat about n9? :)04:53
ketasit's currently sold04:53
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psycho_oreosnot for long04:54
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ketassad that nokia chose windows04:55
psycho_oreosin either case, should you acquire N900, I sincerely hope you would treat the device with respect. They are fairly rare already as it is when you factor out all those broken N900 that some dodgy seller is trying to reimburse their losses on04:56
psycho_oreosI mean the ones that tries to sell their broken N900 identically to the same price as those who sell their fully functioning N900 as and declaring their N900 is free of defects04:57
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ketasshould i put it on silk pillow?04:58
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ketaswhat's the reasonable price of n900?04:59
psycho_oreosdo whatever you think is reasonable to your N900, just don't complain and whinge back at us when you've been negligent05:03
psycho_oreosthe last I checked was somewhere around AUD$300 for a functional N900 with all the original equipment05:03
ketasi found one with 168 eur05:05
psycho_oreosa little high priced imo, if the seller would offer meetup then I'd do that otherwise no05:06
ketasphone, belt bag, some smaller bag, charger, usb cable, charging adapter, cleaning cloth, box, handsfree05:08
ketasvideo cable too05:09
psycho_oreosthose bags aren't part of the standard N900 afaik05:10
psycho_oreosthe rest are pretty much standard minus quick start guide05:10
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ketaswell, i'll see05:13
psycho_oreosthere's also that charger adapter, which is not part of the standard pack that I got. You might want to be a bit weary of that charger adapter too should you purchase one05:15
psycho_oreosand the quick start guide is included, so it appears to me that those bags plus the charger adapter are extras05:16
ketasin some areas, charging adapter was included05:17
ketasi've read05:18
ketascan't remember if also here05:18
psycho_oreos <--- that? you sure? I never got that with my N90005:19
ketaswell some reviewer got it05:20
psycho_oreoshe may have that limited edition promotion box N90005:22
ketasit mentions charging adapter05:23
ketashowever notices that exact package may vary05:23
ketasit was put on site by mistake?05:24
psycho_oreoshmm interesting.. well I don't know, the N900 that I got never came with that and I had to purchase that separately05:25
psycho_oreosI guess the two bags are what the original owner purchased separately05:26
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psycho_oreosI still don't see how those bags would justify the high pricing for the overall sale. if anything they depreciate by as much as half value when initially purchased05:30
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ketaspsycho_oreos: i don't understand, you said that price around 300 aud is normal?05:43
psycho_oreosketas, yes but that's awhile ago05:44
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ketaspsycho_oreos: oh05:45
infobotketas meant:05:46
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ketasyea, i meant nothing05:46
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ketaspsycho_oreos: so i'll be paying way too much?05:47
ketaspsycho_oreos: maybe yes05:47
psycho_oreosketas, maybe, I just piped a few lines into google translate and that item seems to be sold05:48
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ketaspsycho_oreos: there is language select06:00
ketaspsycho_oreos: yes, sold to me...06:01
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Macerdoes maemo support playing wma files?08:57
Maceri never tried it :)08:57
psycho_oreosunencrpyted WMA with extra-decoders support might08:59
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Macerit worked09:55
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ShadowJKhm, this N900's cellmo failure is progressing much much faster than the first N900 i had with same failure13:25
DocScrutinizerOOH FSCK13:25
DocScrutinizeryou should pester Nokia to provide proper info on nature of this defect13:26
DocScrutinizerso there's at least a chance to fix it13:26
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DocScrutinizeror even avoid it13:26
DocScrutinizerin USA you'd start a class action13:27
ShadowJKExcept for the usb, the emmc and cellmo failure modes are diffuse enough to make people think shit software, nokia can't do software blah blah and then buy iphone13:28
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ShadowJKand even in case of usb failure there's no attempts at making nokia make it right? :/13:28
jonwilWhen my USB failed under warranty, they just replaced it with a new N900 no questions asked13:29
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DocScrutinizerI just wondered for 50s whether I could find someone to investigate that problem to do me a favour, at office at 4th floor13:30
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DocScrutinizerthen I thought "WTF?! @Nokia they already did it"13:31
ShadowJKare you sure13:31
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ShadowJKrepair centre keeps phone 2months, flashes firmware, sends it back. User sends phone back for repair, repair centre keeps phone 2 months, sends a replacement. 25% of warranty period successfully wasted.13:32
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ShadowJKthey dont need to investigate :D13:32
ShadowJKand nokia doesn't do repairs? all outsourced13:34
DocScrutinizerthey need to investigate, I'm sure about that. Somebody inside Nokia will get upset, and some statistics don't look good13:34
DocScrutinizerwhen you get a significant peak on a particular failuremode, and that failuremode is neither expected in that frequency nor clearly understood, then all the alarms start to yell at a hw manufacturer13:36
DocScrutinizeresp wehn you use basically same chipset that most probably is involved in that failure, in a later model as well13:37
DocScrutinizerI bet a N950 that Nokia has at least a file about the issue13:38
DocScrutinizerit's their #1024 I guess13:38
DocScrutinizerooh, you might need this to get last post:
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ShadowJKcellmo is returning to state at poweron on its own, raising rst. on linux side kernel notices rst line change, and a watchdog timeout occurs on communication with cellmo. Seems like some sort of recovery then happens, where software side on linux is reset and cellmo taken out of reset, initializing everything over13:55
ShadowJKIt seems be more reproducible (thumb and finger pinch at 'f' on keyboard) if there's data transfer going on13:56
DocScrutinizerhell, Nokia Research and Analysis shall have a decent investigation of an error this precisely defined13:58
ShadowJKit never ever fails if N900 is sitting on a desk, can stream audio over 3g forever13:59
ShadowJKit only fails from pressure or acceleration13:59
DocScrutinizerI wonder if we can find anybody inside Nokia who's willing to shed some light on it, if not actually disclosing XRay, files, statistics etc13:59
ShadowJKwell I can't even find anyone at Nokia that can tell me how the hell you're supposed to do warranties now that they no longer have nokia care points14:01
DocScrutinizerI mean, it's not acceptable that for some people SEVERAL devices break with this error during a 2 plus a lil years period of device usage, and Nokia doesn't even help to fix the issue14:01
ShadowJKdrive to espoo?14:01
ShadowJKso chances of finding someone much much smarter than a person who could provide a mail address to repair centre seems unlikely :P14:02
DocScrutinizerI'm hoping for a few friends at HEL etc14:03
DocScrutinizeresp dm8 who only has to cross street to pester them until somebody comes up with an answer ;-)14:03
DocScrutinizerhaven't seen him for quite a while though :-S14:04
ShadowJKI wonder if it's pcb flexing14:06
DocScrutinizerquite possibly14:07
DocScrutinizermight well be related to poor BGA soldering14:07
DocScrutinizerbut of course may also be something completely different14:08
DocScrutinizerbonding breakage comes to mind14:08
DocScrutinizerpoorly done vias come to mind14:08
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DocScrutinizercomponents at edge of spec (Cs may have -50% from what's "printed on them", see #1024)14:09
ShadowJKmy first n900 with this fault was replaced, corrosion would be a "your fault you luser" thing wouldn't it?14:09
DocScrutinizernah, nokia never did this14:10
DocScrutinizerexcept for *obvious* cases14:10
ShadowJKoh I thought they did it if you ever got a call in a fog14:10
DocScrutinizercorrosion may happen on several levels14:10
DocScrutinizerand usually investigation of such cause is way more expensive than a simple swap no questions asked14:11
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DocScrutinizer~seen achippa15:34
infoboti haven't seen 'achippa', DocScrutinizer15:34
DocScrutinizer~seen achipa15:34
infobotachipa <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 118d 3h 43m 26s ago, saying: 'also libqtm-12 seems to have lost the promotion block so it's borked in general as it propagated to testing'.15:34
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dm8tbr~seen attila16:22
infobotdm8tbr: i haven't seen 'attila'16:22
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ShadowJKEveryone who is afraid of breaking the usb port, don't look:
ShadowJKtempting fate..18:38
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javispedroI have been careless with mine's and still's there18:39
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RST38hmoo javispedro18:39
javispedromoo RST38h18:39
RST38hShadowJK: this arrangement is actually ok, you are not bending the port18:40
ShadowJKit is hanging at a bit of an angle :P18:40
NIN101awww ShadowJK, this image  hurts so much.18:41
javispedroyou should put a zip drive in the 3.5 slot there18:42
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javispedrothen, eject the drive when the n900 needs some rest18:42
javispedro(or when you want to definitely break the port :) )18:42
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ShadowJKbut the usb port is in the 3.5" slot :P18:43
javispedrothinking the one that seems to be behind the n900, but it might be something else18:44
ShadowJKyeah it's a card reader / usb port combo that fits in 3.5" slot18:45
ShadowJKthe usb port is part of it18:45
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ShadowJKtransfering emmc contents from my backup pc to my spare n90018:45
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