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MrPinguhello =)01:36
MrPingu~seen pali01:37
infobotpali is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu, last said: 'freemangordon, ping'.01:37
MrPinguwell, I don't know if it was kernel related or coincidence01:38
MrPingubut last night my N900 didn't charge well01:38
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MrPinguthe next morning it was about 65 % of juice while being attached01:39
MrPinguthat happened when I installed kp pre5001:39
Palicharging is done by BME01:40
MrPinguanyway this night it just charged like it should and no drain either...01:40
Palimake sure you have blacklisted bq* drivers01:40
MrPinguI have =)01:40
PaliBME is closed, so no idea01:40
ShadowJKWas it cold01:41
MrPinguno, not really. About 18 degrees celsius01:41
ShadowJKtoo warm to make charger fail01:42
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MrPinguReally normally I wake up with a green lightnedroom of full01:43
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MrPinguand yesterday I woke up with a orange disco of charging01:44
MrPinguand today again green =) so charger or usb failed?01:44
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ShadowJKhard to say01:45
Hurrian@Pali, have you tested 2.6.35 with support for getbootstate on m5?01:45
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Palinot yet01:46
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HurrianWhat patch do I need to make it have entries for bootreason etc?01:50
HurrianI plan to just stick it onto the 2.6.37 kernel01:51
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ShadowJKMy third N900 is showing signs of "Sim card error"03:36
ShadowJKin dmesg03:36
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befordget another one03:39
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ShadowJKIt's impossible to find new ones03:40
nox-might also just be eroded contacts on the card or something like that03:41
ShadowJKand used ones are always a gamble, users probably never notice the faults03:41
ShadowJKnox-, no it's not that03:41
ShadowJKnox-, the cellular modem is crashing and rebooting03:41
ShadowJKThe UI shows crossed-out-sim icon03:41
ShadowJKand users think it's sim card fault03:41
ShadowJKBut there are tons of other hw-degradation problems with N900, including ones that came out of the box, and users might just think it's "normal", so it's pretty hard to know whether an N900 you're bidding on is ok or not even if the seller is honest and cooperative03:43
ShadowJKHey, even my current N900 is "working perfectly" from the point of view of a user, despite showing signs of dying emmc and dying cellmo03:43
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r00t|n900buy one with a known and fixable fault ;)03:45
SpeedEvil'hmm - signal must be dodgy here'03:45
ShadowJKOddly, I've had 3 N900s and never encountered the "most common" fault, usb port03:45
* SpeedEvil suspects his USB port is going dodgy.03:47
SpeedEvilI need to prefix.03:47
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ShadowJKI've done many things that made me think the split-second afterwards "oh shit there goes my usb", but it hasn't so far03:53
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Hurrian|skyrim>dying emmc03:58
Hurrian|skyrimhow hard do you need to drop it?03:58
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ShadowJKAll my drops have happend with N900 connected to usb03:59
ShadowJKso I imagine it's a harder drop than a drop which dislodges usb03:59
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Hurrianaand that's why i keep my N900 in the center of a table with books around it when I charge.04:05
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SpeedEvilHmm - free 808s for qt06:24
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SpeedEvilThe silly camera phone06:26
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psycho_oreosahh that crappy 41MP symbian phone06:29
SpeedEvilIt'd be rather cool with maemo06:32
psycho_oreosit could have been worse by running mango or the like06:33
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UlraskHi !11:25
UlraskMy n900 won't charge when turned off, only works when already turned on. I changed both battery and charging cable to no result, any idea ?11:26
UlraskWhen off, it only shows a solid orange charging light, then try to boot in (bright white "nokia" screen), gives up and loop.11:27
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psycho_oreoslet me guess, you're running kp?11:27
UlraskKP ? I don't even know what it is. I am running the stock OS, very happy with it, no reason to change11:28
BCMMkernel-power, and now i know why i have occasional issues booting up with the charging cable in11:28
UlraskI reflashed it a few months ago, with the latest release from Nokia (1.3 ?), and not using kernel-power no.11:29
psycho_oreosits been a long while since I last used standard nokia kernel on my N90011:30
psycho_oreoscould it be with any programs that you are running be interfering with bme?11:31
BCMMUlrask: are you sure it's actually not charging when off?11:31
BCMMas opposed to just not booting when charging11:31
psycho_oreosstuff like advanced-power-daemon (even though that in theory shouldn't cause device to act like that)11:31
BCMMi mean, are you sure you can't flatten it, charge for a few hours, unplug, and boot?11:31
UlraskI think it's hardware related, when on, I can eventually twist the cable in a way that will charge the device, but when off I don't have any feedback on wether the device receive enough electricity or not, the orange LED lights up no matter what11:32
UlraskYes BCMM, right now the battery is empty and I have no way to charge or boot it whatsoever, it's good as bricked, I can only make it work again thanks to the kind people at my nokia store who charge the battery externally for me11:32
BCMM"twist the cable in a way that will charge the device" - you have a dodgy microUSB port?11:32
psycho_oreosyeah that for instance could be a sign that your microUSB port could be on its way out11:33
BCMMUlrask: is the phone in warranty? where do you live?11:33
BCMM(like, which country)11:33
UlraskI suspect it's the microUSB port yes, but it may be the cable as well11:33
UlraskI am in Taiwan, but I don't think I have warranry, Nokia gave me the phone for free since I did the advertisement in France11:33
psycho_oreoshinet looks like .tw (Taiwan), my old man who lives there has subscribed to them11:34
psycho_oreosahh I thought so11:34
psycho_oreoswell I'm sure you can buy replacement cables for N900 very easily, its not some sort of fancy cable11:34
psycho_oreosas for dodgy microUSB port, that may need to be resoldered back on11:34
UlraskI tried a few other cable, neither work, but none of them looked good quality. I can't find any that look as sturdy as the one provided by Nokia11:35
BCMMpsycho_oreos: my phone is off for its second warranty replacement right now, and when it comes back, i'm going to have to reinforce the port myself as the warranty is ending soon. how hard is it? i'm kind of terrified of just ruining it11:35
UlraskAny idea where I could get the USB port replaced ?11:36
UlraskI don't dare to do it myself either11:36
BCMMwell, your task is harder than mine11:36
BCMMyou probably need to electrically reconnect yours; i just need to physically reinforce my brand-new warranty replacement11:36
psycho_oreosdo you have any mates/friends which might have similar cables? I'd give those a try.. I saw a workmate/work collegue has a HTC phone but his charger is similar to that of iphone (with USB socket on the back), and he just hooks it up with USB to microUSB connector11:37
UlraskI used to have a GP2X, there were a few unofficial community-run online repair shop. A little bit expensive, but those guys sure knew what they were doing11:37
UlraskIs there anything similar for the n900 ?11:37
psycho_oreosBCMM, I've never done any microUSB soldering work, and I have two N900 in need of that, both of them are mildly damaged (without closer inspections)11:37
BCMMah ok11:37
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psycho_oreoswhat do you mean similar? software functionality? not really11:38
BCMMpsycho_oreos: i think he means unofficial hardware repair shops11:38
UlraskI dunno anyone with a n900. Looks like everyone got a iPhone those days :(11:38
BCMMi'm mainly worried about solder or epoxy getting inside the socket so I can't insert a cable anymore11:38
psycho_oreoslast year I visited Taiwan in search of buying N900, no luck getting it. I even had assistance from my old man11:39
UlraskYeah, the guys at the Nokia shop looked like they never seen one before. I don;t even know if it was officially released here11:40
psycho_oreosBCMM, imo those microUSB ports can be easily bought if you screw it up.. though I've read that you should never use epoxy unless you're planning to take the device underwater11:40
BCMMyeah, the consensus seemed to be to reinforce by soldering the body of the port to the board - just kind of scared of accidentally bridging something nearby11:40
psycho_oreosit probably wasn't, I've visited some of the popular electronics shops in Taipei at the time, nobody stocked them11:40
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BCMMi've never soldered a real production board of any sort before; just PCBs designed for hand-soldering projects11:41
UlraskI actually remember seing it once, in a huge Nokia shop in Kaohsiung11:41
psycho_oreosyeah beyond that I don't have much clues about soldering really.. and speaking of which I have loads of projects which require soldering (and I have little to no knowledge of)11:41
BCMMalso, if i break a port, then i've got to actually solder the new port on to the board electrically11:41
BCMMnot just physically strengthen it11:41
UlraskMine doesnt seem to be physically dislodged, doesnt move or anything, just got very difficult to charge that's it11:42
psycho_oreosUlrask, nokia stopped manufacturing N900 awhile ago, I don't think they were hugely popular in Asian countries.. I managed to source my second N900 in Hong Kong11:42
BCMMUlrask: mine had to be twisted right before it failed entirely11:42
psycho_oreosand without the right tools to deduct the potential issues, it could be either the cable or the port.. or even worse, both11:43
UlraskIn your case, was it the cable or the port that failed BCMM ?11:43
BCMMwell, it's probably the port. it's always the port on the n90011:43
BCMMUlrask: it was the port11:43
BCMMthe n900's port is fragile, being only connected to the board by the four solder points it actually needs electronically11:43
psycho_oreosUlrask, there's a huge tmo ( thread about issues with the microUSB port on the N90011:44
UlraskIs it me or the flat long microUSB is generally quite weak ?11:44
BCMMUlrask: but the cable is very standard and it should be easy to find a replacement to confirm with11:44
psycho_oreosnah its just a case with the N90011:44
UlraskCompared to the other kind of MicroUSB, it looks very untrustworthy11:44
BCMMmicroUSB is actually supposed to withstand more insertions than USB11:44
BCMMi should correct what i said11:45
psycho_oreosindeed, lots of smartphones these days are equipped with microUSB port, so to find someone else having a similar featured charging/data port plus the cable shouldn't be hard at all imo11:45
BCMMthe n900s port is totally solid, even after it is no longer in the same room as the rest of hte n900.11:45
UlraskSo the issue doesnt lie on the port itself, but on the connection with the motherboard ?11:46
psycho_oreosif the microUSB port is weak for instance, no smartphone manufacturer would want to use them as they would have millions of complaints about it11:46
BCMMUlrask: yeah. as i said, it's only held on by it's four soldered connectors11:46
BCMMUlrask: whereas some similar stuff has two big pads at the side that aren't useful electrically, just to solder it down firmly11:47
UlraskIn that case it should be only a matter of finding a small electronic repair shop run by someone not too dumb11:47
BCMMUlrask: the n900 should take any microUSB-b plug11:47
UlraskAt least I am in the right country for that11:47
psycho_oreosand a spare microUSB component incase he screws up.. shouldn't be too hard in Taiwan I imagine.. especially in Taipei11:47
BCMMUlrask: yeah, i wouldn't want to try to find a phone repair shop with a soldering iron in the UK :)11:47
UlraskWell, if I find a good place for that, you wanna give me your email so I can give you infos about the place later ?11:48
BCMMUlrask: if i wanted a new cable, i'd look online, and probalby end up buying from tiawan. i'm sure you can find one11:48
psycho_oreosat least you guys have all things within close proximity.. where I live (Australia), all things are blown further away :/11:48
BCMMah, but so much space in australia!11:49
UlraskOh, in Taiwan as well, phone repair shop won't have anything of the sort. I think I'd have better luck looking at those TV repair shop or something11:49
UlraskIn France, whenever I need my Amiga fixed, I always go to those old CRT repair shop11:49
psycho_oreosUlrask, you live in Taipei? there's a huge electronics mall called Nova there.. and there's another one which I'm trying to recall the name of but my memory is failing me11:49
psycho_oreosBCMM, and one has to almost literally drive everywhere lol.. not to mention you can't easily dine out late at night (sigh I miss Taiwan..)11:50
UlraskYou mean Guang Hua digital plaza ? It's where I have been already11:50
psycho_oreosbah! that might have been it11:50
psycho_oreosits the one where you had to pay to park your scooter there and outside is some fancy logo11:51
UlraskI guess it's the port though11:51
psycho_oreosoh.. and there's a map outside the building11:51
UlraskGuang Hua moves basically every year11:51
UlraskTaipei is an always changing city11:51
psycho_oreosyou meant ever changing city :)11:52
UlraskRight now it's in a single huge building, just near to the ACER HQ11:52
UlraskYeah sorry obviously I am not a native speaker11:52
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psycho_oreosat least one can still expect to buy things up late at night :D.. I remember seeing car yard where there's still people walking around and the light is on in the shops..11:52
psycho_oreosits ok :)11:53
UlraskMany things are 24/7 yeah11:53
UlraskEven restaurants11:53
psycho_oreosyeah I don't know recall much about Guang Hwa, I do recall Nova is near Taipei stop11:53
psycho_oreoserr train station11:53
UlraskAnd you can usually have a very good meal for about 1 USD11:53
psycho_oreosmy old man (dad) and I had steak around midnight on the streets :D11:54
UlraskYeah, 臺北車站, Guang Hua isnt far either, just 2 stop by metro11:54
psycho_oreosI don't think my dad took me via train there to Guang Hwa, but for Nova he did.. I rode on his scooter to Guang Hwa11:55
UlraskGetting a bit off-topic (maybe there is a more appropriate channel) but why the hell did you leave Taiwan ? You'd need to pay me dearly to ever leave this country now11:55
psycho_oreoslol, family decision back then, parents wanted for me brother and I to live in a less polluted country and it turns out to be Australia. Though parents now split up and my dad is in Taiwan, I was born in Taiwan however ^_^11:57
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UlraskYou are originally Chinese then ?11:57
psycho_oreoserr me brother and I, but yeah born in Taiwan.. so to me Taiwan is my motherland and Australia is my fatherland11:57
psycho_oreosTaiwanese yup.. didn't go through compulsory military training though11:58
UlraskCome on, there is no such thing as Taiwanese (KMT trolling, don't take it too seriously)11:58
psycho_oreosand my Chinese is poor :/11:58
psycho_oreosthere is when one is patriotic :D I'm old fashioned in that sense and I support Taiwan's independence11:59
UlraskBut not old fashioned enough to support that Taiwan should be part of Japan like the former president12:00
psycho_oreosheh he was corrupted wasn't he? though that would be a little wrong to claim Taiwan is part of Japan.. though you could look at it from one retrospective view that could be one way for Taiwan to be freed from China's pressure12:01
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UlraskSeriously speaking though, I don't like the independentist. Sure it's unfair that all the hard work and efforts of Taiwanese gets back to China. Sure in a perfect world Taiwan should stay independant. But claiming independance would be the best way to provoke China into attacking. What would a blood bath accomplish ?12:02
psycho_oreosto me if Taiwan were to be part of China, imagine what would people think of Taiwn.. communist country.. and in Chinese.. one `loses' face12:02
psycho_oreosyou don't have to look far, North Korea.. where they censor everything.. same as China.. the great firewall12:03
UlraskBest way to me is to agree to PRC that eventually Taiwan gets backs to China, and make the process as slow as possible, hoping that there would be a revolution in China before the reunification occurs12:03
psycho_oreosthe last I heard U.S. would step in if China tries to take Taiwan by force, U.S. sees Taiwan as a vital trade hub in the south east12:05
UlraskMilitarily speaking, Taiwan is weaker and weaker, US won't sell us weapons anymore, and mainland china invest more and more in their army12:05
UlraskAn armed conflict is the last thing we'd want12:05
UlraskSo better not to piss them off12:05
psycho_oreosChina seems to like taking things by force.. they were already happy they got Hong Kong back.. and Hong Kong people were generally non too pleased about being declared as Chinese citizens12:06
UlraskAnd I really have the feeling that since W Bush US gave up on us already12:06
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UlraskYeah poor HKese, I feel for them :(12:06
psycho_oreosTaiwan is not only weak, but its really a small piece of land. If China wanted to declare war, they can drop a few nukes and they'll be no more Taiwan... but I'm sure by then it'll become nuclear war12:07
UlraskIt's not their interest to destroy Taiwan, we are not a threat to them, they just want the land because we are rich, but undamaged12:07
psycho_oreosI don't understand what is with China and their ever growing demand to take things by force, it just seems like with all the money they have, greed with power is what they see12:08
psycho_oreosI don't know about that just yet12:08
UlraskIt's just a remnant of the war12:08
UlraskIt's really a matter or pride to them to utterly crush the Republic of China12:08
UlraskThe same way Taiwan still claims ownership to the whole of mainland china12:08
psycho_oreosto me, if lets say they did take Taiwan, I'm sure they'll attack South Korea and Japan next.. there's already wikipedia links noting how Chinese government deliberating noting in the school curriculum that the Korean castles were once Chinese castles12:09
UlraskGenerally speaking, I don't think China is so militaristic and expansionist12:09
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UlraskI'm not sure they gonna want anything more than Taiwan afterward. Maybe North Korea yeah, but not more than that12:10
psycho_oreosI don't know.. but even if Taiwan becomes China, we'd (as Taiwan people) would be exploited by all these Chinese citizens claiming to be one of us as well.. and then there's this debacle with dual system12:11
UlraskI'd much rather be in a country that is "ennemy of China" than, say, "ennemy of USA".12:11
psycho_oreosit won't be hard for them to talk deals with North Korea I bet.. but from what I can see, North Korea outside its capital is pretty much a wasteland, compared to South Korea whom is thriving and competing against other countries technologically12:12
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UlraskI don't think there could be a dual system similar to HK in Taiwan, too much hate between PRC and ROC, they won't let ROC survive12:12
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UlraskSince I am in Taiwan, I already noticed how little by little the ROC flags disappear from the streets, bus, official building...12:13
UlraskLike they are already preparing the end of ROC12:13
psycho_oreosof course, they're trying to strangle ROC in many ways, but hopefully PRC needs to grow up and move on.. they've already got Hong Kong.. now they're trying to take other nearby nations.. what for? isn't one cake enough for them?12:13
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psycho_oreosI've heard that the older generations still uphold that ROC legacy, the newer generations (supposedly including people like me) wouldn't mind the PRC12:14
UlraskLast year was celebration of yeah 100 of ROC. It was kind of sad, there was a latent feeling that year 100 was the end of something, that they would never been such thing as year 20012:14
FIQ|n900am I blind or is there no python3 on maemo5?12:15
psycho_oreosyou meant year 2000? I wasn't in Taiwan at the time but I do remember there were really tight tensions12:15
UlraskNop year 100, I mean 201112:15
UlraskYear 1 was 1911, you know, when 中山 ousted Puyi out of the forbidden palace12:16
psycho_oreosyeah, the coins were to note that :)12:17
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psycho_oreosyears since the independence.. but I've only done grade 1 in Taiwan.. like I said, I pretty much grew up in Australia12:17
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Sicelo$ mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf mirror14:27
Sicelohmm :/14:27
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jonwilPali: ping15:06
Palijonwil, pong15:06
jonwilDid you hear anything else from the Nokia people you emailed?15:07
Palino answer :-(15:07
jonwilok :(15:07
PaliI will sent emails again in monday15:08
jonwilMaybe there are people responsible for interesting packages that have yet to be emailed, maybe its worth trying them...15:08
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ShadowJKwhat did you email about?15:14
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* ShadowJK considers the .cn/.hk "brand new" n900 on ebay16:28
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x29ano archOS device found?16:32
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ShadowJKgot distracted from acquiring a tablet by my current n900 starting to die16:44
kerioShadowJK: buy another n900!16:45
ShadowJKYes, but that's not a trivial process16:45
* ShadowJK was pondering archos more as an upgrade to his N800 and N81016:45
kerioShadowJK: of course it is16:46, "boxed n900", paypal, waiting16:46
ShadowJKthen if it arrives it might be dying too16:46
keriowell, i meant "brand new" or something16:46
ShadowJKThat's the: * ShadowJK considers the .cn/.hk "brand new" n900 on ebay16:47
kerioi see16:47
Sicelohow much?16:47
kerioi mean16:47
keriothat's... not much at all16:47
kerioit's like 4.50 €, isn't it16:48
Siceloif really brand new, it's cheap :)16:49
Sicelobrand spanking new in the only shop here that still has it is  $45016:50
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kerioi have one for 190€ which is claimed brand new (it still has the plastic things on the screen and stuff) but the box has been opened to take a picture on ebay.it16:56
kerioshould i? :s16:56
Sicelofollow your heart, lol :P16:58
kerioi want to16:58
kerioi really do16:58
keriobut i should fix mine instead16:58
kerioi don't know how, though16:58
Sicelowhat's up with yours?16:59
kerioi should probably brick it so i have a moral excuse to buy another one16:59
keriobroken USB port, swollen battery, crappy internal battery, and general sillyness16:59
Sicelowell, if the one i just talked about was affordable, i'd buy it because i'm 100% sure it's the real deal17:00
kerioevery once in a while the vibrator gets stuck, for instance17:00
kerio(high-pitched noise instead of vibration)17:00
Sicelohmm, if u can afford the new one, i'd say get it17:00
keriobut what should i do with the old one?17:00
Sicelokeep it17:01
keriobut it's brok! D:17:01
Sicelothe 'new' one won't be new forever - so your old one will provide spares :P17:01
kerioi should probably sell it17:02
Sicelo7well, up to you - personally i would buy a broken one with working TS, good ribbon cable, & such stuff17:03
kerioi bet the usb port on the new one will break easily :(17:04
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infobotwell, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)17:07
Siceloif you're brave :)17:07
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ShadowJKswollen battery? that's dangerous :)18:21
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ShadowJKthe stuck vibrator thing happens under high I/O load for me18:37
ShadowJKhas happened on all N900s I've had18:37
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bernd339wondering whats the prefered way for tethering my laptop and my n90019:17
bernd339bt pan connections "die" after some random amount of time and wifi ad-hoc seems to be not so reliable also19:18
bernd339any hints?19:18
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I'm fed up with it as well. let's share the money and risk to get first one, if it pans out we get a second and maybe third/4th one same way19:33
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: (.hk)19:33
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bernd339what does wlancond do?19:37
bernd339scanning for available networks?19:38
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer: what do you mean share20:00
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I meant we pay 1/2 each, of first device ordered there. When you receive the device and find it OK, we can do same with 2nd device, this time for me20:17
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DocScrutinizeralas I think the 2nd one also should ship to your mailing addr, as the end result of the whole transaction might differ massively depending on shipping destination and customs regulations there20:19
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DocScrutinizerthen you'd need to forward it to me in a normal "birthday gift" package20:20
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DocScrutinizerof course we can do other way round, and tell .hk to ship all devices to my addr, if that's what you'd prefer to do20:22
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DocScrutinizerbernd339: yes, among other things wlancond probably does that scanning for APs20:24
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bernd339got that, stoppping wlancond and my tethering survives20:24
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ShadowJKWhat kind of policy does .de customs have?20:34
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure about it. I once had to pay VAT for the 3 PV GTA02 Taipei sent me20:36
ShadowJKYeah techically I have to pay vat on items exceeding 45 euro or so20:36
DocScrutinizeryep, same here20:36
ShadowJKi think germany has lower vat though?20:37
ShadowJK4 pp less20:38
DocScrutinizerplus customs likes to guess arbitrary value of parcels, rather than taking the invoice for that20:38
FIQ|n900hmm, there's no python3 on N900?20:38
DocScrutinizerinner EU seems to be free of VAT though20:39
DocScrutinizerI.E. VAT already payed at origin20:39
ShadowJKcustoms accepted printed out invoice here20:40
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DocScrutinizerso, whatever your plans regarding .hk N900 purchase, tell me and I'll contribute/cooperate, as I'm also pondering to get one from there20:43
ShadowJKUsing my spare N900 right now, the screen protector on this one is so scratch free and smooth :o)20:44
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ShadowJKI've been looking at .fi auction websites too, and put in a few bids20:44
DocScrutinizerHi Mr Santa20:50
jogaheh I was lucky and my friend got some new phone and sold her old n900 for 50e :)20:50
DocScrutinizeryou're a it late20:50
DocScrutinizera bit*20:50
x29aguys, gimme a ping when ur ordering hk n950 ;)20:52
DocScrutinizerto do what?20:52
DocScrutinizerof course we will report back when it panned out, if that'S what you're asking for20:52
DocScrutinizererrr, N950?20:53
x29aerrr, yes ;)20:53
DocScrutinizerhow much are you willing to pay for mine?20:53
DocScrutinizerkrueger rand?20:54
x29akrueger rand?20:55
x29aah, i c20:55
DocScrutinizer2 Rand:
DocScrutinizer~ 321 * ( 347.01 / 2 )21:01
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x29ayah, not gonna happen21:04
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DocScrutinizerc'mon, you get shipping for free21:05
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DocScrutinizerno warranty though, beyond rollback when DOA. For obvious reasons as I have to change my name after that deal21:07
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DocScrutinizerhey, it's even still on Version: 1.2011.22-6_PR_RM68021:30
DocScrutinizermeans you still can decide whether you want to upgrade to more recent version, or rather keep that one which has some nice vulnerabilities to root aegis21:31
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Siceloyou mean  you would really sell it DocScrutinizer?21:32
DocScrutinizerfor 321 Rand? sure21:32
Siceloisn't that thing property of Nokia?21:33
* Sicelo doesn't understand the whole policy of developer devices21:33
DocScrutinizererr, yes. That's why I have to "die" after that deal ;-P21:33
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: The policy is rather well thought: you lend devices as a development or evaluation platform. Recipient isn't allowed to sell and doesn't need to pay and taxes etc as it's not a purchase21:39
DocScrutinizers/and tax/any tax/.21:40
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DocScrutinizerbtw IIRC the develdev contract has no further special obligation regarding handling and care for device. Means when the 3 year old son of my GF "helps cleaning up my apartment" and the device vanished after that, I only pay the agreed on penalty to Nokia, and Nokia is free to deliver proof for damage they suffered on my fault, in which case I can get held responsible for that damage as well. Hard to prove any such damage though22:02
DocScrutinizerthe damage *my* reputation is suffering in such a case is a completely different story22:04
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freemangordonPali, ping22:24
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: the document diddn't actually say you couldn't sell it. Just that 500e was payable if it was lost.22:46
SpeedEvilAt least as I recall.22:46
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil Lumia 800 shipped22:51
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: ?22:51
MohammadAGI expect a quick delivery since im not that excited about it22:51
MohammadAGSpeedEvil: The one you ordered in December22:51
MohammadAGThe launchpad thingy22:51
MohammadAGIt left Italy22:52
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opdf2RST38h you around?23:19
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