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| MrPingu | hello =) | 01:36 |
| MrPingu | ~seen pali | 01:37 |
| infobot | pali is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu, last said: 'freemangordon, ping'. | 01:37 |
| Pali | hi | 01:37 |
| MrPingu | well, I don't know if it was kernel related or coincidence | 01:38 |
| MrPingu | but last night my N900 didn't charge well | 01:38 |
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| MrPingu | the next morning it was about 65 % of juice while being attached | 01:39 |
| MrPingu | that happened when I installed kp pre50 | 01:39 |
| Pali | charging is done by BME | 01:40 |
| MrPingu | anyway this night it just charged like it should and no drain either... | 01:40 |
| Pali | make sure you have blacklisted bq* drivers | 01:40 |
| MrPingu | I have =) | 01:40 |
| Pali | ok | 01:40 |
| Pali | BME is closed, so no idea | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | Was it cold | 01:41 |
| MrPingu | no, not really. About 18 degrees celsius | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | too warm to make charger fail | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 01:42 |
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| MrPingu | Really normally I wake up with a green lightnedroom of full | 01:43 |
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| MrPingu | and yesterday I woke up with a orange disco of charging | 01:44 |
| MrPingu | and today again green =) so charger or usb failed? | 01:44 |
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| ShadowJK | hard to say | 01:45 |
| Hurrian | @Pali, have you tested 2.6.35 with support for getbootstate on m5? | 01:45 |
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| Pali | not yet | 01:46 |
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| Hurrian | What patch do I need to make it have entries for bootreason etc? | 01:50 |
| Hurrian | I plan to just stick it onto the 2.6.37 kernel | 01:51 |
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| ShadowJK | My third N900 is showing signs of "Sim card error" | 03:36 |
| ShadowJK | in dmesg | 03:36 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 03:36 |
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| beford | get another one | 03:39 |
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| ShadowJK | It's impossible to find new ones | 03:40 |
| nox- | might also just be eroded contacts on the card or something like that | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | and used ones are always a gamble, users probably never notice the faults | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | nox-, no it's not that | 03:41 |
| nox- | :/ | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | nox-, the cellular modem is crashing and rebooting | 03:41 |
| nox- | :( | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | The UI shows crossed-out-sim icon | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | and users think it's sim card fault | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | But there are tons of other hw-degradation problems with N900, including ones that came out of the box, and users might just think it's "normal", so it's pretty hard to know whether an N900 you're bidding on is ok or not even if the seller is honest and cooperative | 03:43 |
| ShadowJK | Hey, even my current N900 is "working perfectly" from the point of view of a user, despite showing signs of dying emmc and dying cellmo | 03:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 03:45 |
| r00t|n900 | buy one with a known and fixable fault ;) | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | 'hmm - signal must be dodgy here' | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | Oddly, I've had 3 N900s and never encountered the "most common" fault, usb port | 03:45 |
| * SpeedEvil suspects his USB port is going dodgy. | 03:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | I need to prefix. | 03:47 |
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| ShadowJK | I've done many things that made me think the split-second afterwards "oh shit there goes my usb", but it hasn't so far | 03:53 |
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| Hurrian|skyrim | >dying emmc | 03:58 |
| Hurrian|skyrim | how hard do you need to drop it? | 03:58 |
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| ShadowJK | All my drops have happend with N900 connected to usb | 03:59 |
| ShadowJK | so I imagine it's a harder drop than a drop which dislodges usb | 03:59 |
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| Hurrian | aand that's why i keep my N900 in the center of a table with books around it when I charge. | 04:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm - free 808s for qt | 06:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | 808 | 06:25 |
| psycho_oreos | ? | 06:25 |
| SpeedEvil | The silly camera phone | 06:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wl4.peer360.com/b/wrmdWMluDmda8usN9U26/mle.asp?hl=121193944&r=JGBFECC&CID=170240 | 06:26 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh that crappy 41MP symbian phone | 06:29 |
| SpeedEvil | It'd be rather cool with maemo | 06:32 |
| psycho_oreos | it could have been worse by running mango or the like | 06:33 |
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| Ulrask | Hi ! | 11:25 |
| psycho_oreos | hi | 11:25 |
| Ulrask | My n900 won't charge when turned off, only works when already turned on. I changed both battery and charging cable to no result, any idea ? | 11:26 |
| Ulrask | When off, it only shows a solid orange charging light, then try to boot in (bright white "nokia" screen), gives up and loop. | 11:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | let me guess, you're running kp? | 11:27 |
| Ulrask | KP ? I don't even know what it is. I am running the stock OS, very happy with it, no reason to change | 11:28 |
| BCMM | kernel-power, and now i know why i have occasional issues booting up with the charging cable in | 11:28 |
| Ulrask | I reflashed it a few months ago, with the latest release from Nokia (1.3 ?), and not using kernel-power no. | 11:29 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm | 11:30 |
| psycho_oreos | its been a long while since I last used standard nokia kernel on my N900 | 11:30 |
| psycho_oreos | could it be with any programs that you are running be interfering with bme? | 11:31 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: are you sure it's actually not charging when off? | 11:31 |
| BCMM | as opposed to just not booting when charging | 11:31 |
| psycho_oreos | stuff like advanced-power-daemon (even though that in theory shouldn't cause device to act like that) | 11:31 |
| BCMM | i mean, are you sure you can't flatten it, charge for a few hours, unplug, and boot? | 11:31 |
| Ulrask | I think it's hardware related, when on, I can eventually twist the cable in a way that will charge the device, but when off I don't have any feedback on wether the device receive enough electricity or not, the orange LED lights up no matter what | 11:32 |
| Ulrask | Yes BCMM, right now the battery is empty and I have no way to charge or boot it whatsoever, it's good as bricked, I can only make it work again thanks to the kind people at my nokia store who charge the battery externally for me | 11:32 |
| BCMM | "twist the cable in a way that will charge the device" - you have a dodgy microUSB port? | 11:32 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah that for instance could be a sign that your microUSB port could be on its way out | 11:33 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: is the phone in warranty? where do you live? | 11:33 |
| BCMM | (like, which country) | 11:33 |
| Ulrask | I suspect it's the microUSB port yes, but it may be the cable as well | 11:33 |
| Ulrask | I am in Taiwan, but I don't think I have warranry, Nokia gave me the phone for free since I did the advertisement in France | 11:33 |
| psycho_oreos | hinet looks like .tw (Taiwan), my old man who lives there has subscribed to them | 11:34 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh I thought so | 11:34 |
| psycho_oreos | well I'm sure you can buy replacement cables for N900 very easily, its not some sort of fancy cable | 11:34 |
| psycho_oreos | as for dodgy microUSB port, that may need to be resoldered back on | 11:34 |
| Ulrask | I tried a few other cable, neither work, but none of them looked good quality. I can't find any that look as sturdy as the one provided by Nokia | 11:35 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: my phone is off for its second warranty replacement right now, and when it comes back, i'm going to have to reinforce the port myself as the warranty is ending soon. how hard is it? i'm kind of terrified of just ruining it | 11:35 |
| Ulrask | Any idea where I could get the USB port replaced ? | 11:36 |
| Ulrask | I don't dare to do it myself either | 11:36 |
| BCMM | well, your task is harder than mine | 11:36 |
| BCMM | you probably need to electrically reconnect yours; i just need to physically reinforce my brand-new warranty replacement | 11:36 |
| psycho_oreos | do you have any mates/friends which might have similar cables? I'd give those a try.. I saw a workmate/work collegue has a HTC phone but his charger is similar to that of iphone (with USB socket on the back), and he just hooks it up with USB to microUSB connector | 11:37 |
| Ulrask | I used to have a GP2X, there were a few unofficial community-run online repair shop. A little bit expensive, but those guys sure knew what they were doing | 11:37 |
| Ulrask | Is there anything similar for the n900 ? | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, I've never done any microUSB soldering work, and I have two N900 in need of that, both of them are mildly damaged (without closer inspections) | 11:37 |
| BCMM | ah ok | 11:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | what do you mean similar? software functionality? not really | 11:38 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: i think he means unofficial hardware repair shops | 11:38 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 11:38 |
| Ulrask | I dunno anyone with a n900. Looks like everyone got a iPhone those days :( | 11:38 |
| BCMM | i'm mainly worried about solder or epoxy getting inside the socket so I can't insert a cable anymore | 11:38 |
| psycho_oreos | last year I visited Taiwan in search of buying N900, no luck getting it. I even had assistance from my old man | 11:39 |
| Ulrask | Yeah, the guys at the Nokia shop looked like they never seen one before. I don;t even know if it was officially released here | 11:40 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, imo those microUSB ports can be easily bought if you screw it up.. though I've read that you should never use epoxy unless you're planning to take the device underwater | 11:40 |
| BCMM | yeah, the consensus seemed to be to reinforce by soldering the body of the port to the board - just kind of scared of accidentally bridging something nearby | 11:40 |
| psycho_oreos | it probably wasn't, I've visited some of the popular electronics shops in Taipei at the time, nobody stocked them | 11:40 |
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| BCMM | i've never soldered a real production board of any sort before; just PCBs designed for hand-soldering projects | 11:41 |
| Ulrask | I actually remember seing it once, in a huge Nokia shop in Kaohsiung | 11:41 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah beyond that I don't have much clues about soldering really.. and speaking of which I have loads of projects which require soldering (and I have little to no knowledge of) | 11:41 |
| BCMM | also, if i break a port, then i've got to actually solder the new port on to the board electrically | 11:41 |
| BCMM | not just physically strengthen it | 11:41 |
| Ulrask | Mine doesnt seem to be physically dislodged, doesnt move or anything, just got very difficult to charge that's it | 11:42 |
| psycho_oreos | Ulrask, nokia stopped manufacturing N900 awhile ago, I don't think they were hugely popular in Asian countries.. I managed to source my second N900 in Hong Kong | 11:42 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: mine had to be twisted right before it failed entirely | 11:42 |
| psycho_oreos | and without the right tools to deduct the potential issues, it could be either the cable or the port.. or even worse, both | 11:43 |
| Ulrask | In your case, was it the cable or the port that failed BCMM ? | 11:43 |
| BCMM | well, it's probably the port. it's always the port on the n900 | 11:43 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: it was the port | 11:43 |
| BCMM | the n900's port is fragile, being only connected to the board by the four solder points it actually needs electronically | 11:43 |
| psycho_oreos | Ulrask, there's a huge tmo (talk.maemo.org) thread about issues with the microUSB port on the N900 | 11:44 |
| Ulrask | Is it me or the flat long microUSB is generally quite weak ? | 11:44 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: but the cable is very standard and it should be easy to find a replacement to confirm with | 11:44 |
| psycho_oreos | nah its just a case with the N900 | 11:44 |
| Ulrask | Compared to the other kind of MicroUSB, it looks very untrustworthy | 11:44 |
| BCMM | microUSB is actually supposed to withstand more insertions than USB | 11:44 |
| BCMM | i should correct what i said | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | indeed, lots of smartphones these days are equipped with microUSB port, so to find someone else having a similar featured charging/data port plus the cable shouldn't be hard at all imo | 11:45 |
| BCMM | the n900s port is totally solid, even after it is no longer in the same room as the rest of hte n900. | 11:45 |
| Ulrask | So the issue doesnt lie on the port itself, but on the connection with the motherboard ? | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | if the microUSB port is weak for instance, no smartphone manufacturer would want to use them as they would have millions of complaints about it | 11:46 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: yeah. as i said, it's only held on by it's four soldered connectors | 11:46 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: whereas some similar stuff has two big pads at the side that aren't useful electrically, just to solder it down firmly | 11:47 |
| Ulrask | In that case it should be only a matter of finding a small electronic repair shop run by someone not too dumb | 11:47 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: the n900 should take any microUSB-b plug | 11:47 |
| Ulrask | At least I am in the right country for that | 11:47 |
| psycho_oreos | and a spare microUSB component incase he screws up.. shouldn't be too hard in Taiwan I imagine.. especially in Taipei | 11:47 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: yeah, i wouldn't want to try to find a phone repair shop with a soldering iron in the UK :) | 11:47 |
| Ulrask | Well, if I find a good place for that, you wanna give me your email so I can give you infos about the place later ? | 11:48 |
| BCMM | Ulrask: if i wanted a new cable, i'd look online, and probalby end up buying from tiawan. i'm sure you can find one | 11:48 |
| psycho_oreos | at least you guys have all things within close proximity.. where I live (Australia), all things are blown further away :/ | 11:48 |
| BCMM | ah, but so much space in australia! | 11:49 |
| Ulrask | Oh, in Taiwan as well, phone repair shop won't have anything of the sort. I think I'd have better luck looking at those TV repair shop or something | 11:49 |
| Ulrask | In France, whenever I need my Amiga fixed, I always go to those old CRT repair shop | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | Ulrask, you live in Taipei? there's a huge electronics mall called Nova there.. and there's another one which I'm trying to recall the name of but my memory is failing me | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, and one has to almost literally drive everywhere lol.. not to mention you can't easily dine out late at night (sigh I miss Taiwan..) | 11:50 |
| Ulrask | You mean Guang Hua digital plaza ? It's where I have been already | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | bah! that might have been it | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | its the one where you had to pay to park your scooter there and outside is some fancy logo | 11:51 |
| Ulrask | I guess it's the port though | 11:51 |
| psycho_oreos | oh.. and there's a map outside the building | 11:51 |
| Ulrask | Guang Hua moves basically every year | 11:51 |
| Ulrask | Taipei is an always changing city | 11:51 |
| psycho_oreos | you meant ever changing city :) | 11:52 |
| Ulrask | Right now it's in a single huge building, just near to the ACER HQ | 11:52 |
| Ulrask | Yeah sorry obviously I am not a native speaker | 11:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | at least one can still expect to buy things up late at night :D.. I remember seeing car yard where there's still people walking around and the light is on in the shops.. | 11:52 |
| psycho_oreos | its ok :) | 11:53 |
| Ulrask | Many things are 24/7 yeah | 11:53 |
| Ulrask | Even restaurants | 11:53 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I don't know recall much about Guang Hwa, I do recall Nova is near Taipei stop | 11:53 |
| psycho_oreos | err train station | 11:53 |
| Ulrask | And you can usually have a very good meal for about 1 USD | 11:53 |
| psycho_oreos | my old man (dad) and I had steak around midnight on the streets :D | 11:54 |
| Ulrask | Yeah, 臺北車站, Guang Hua isnt far either, just 2 stop by metro | 11:54 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 11:54 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't think my dad took me via train there to Guang Hwa, but for Nova he did.. I rode on his scooter to Guang Hwa | 11:55 |
| Ulrask | Getting a bit off-topic (maybe there is a more appropriate channel) but why the hell did you leave Taiwan ? You'd need to pay me dearly to ever leave this country now | 11:55 |
| psycho_oreos | lol, family decision back then, parents wanted for me brother and I to live in a less polluted country and it turns out to be Australia. Though parents now split up and my dad is in Taiwan, I was born in Taiwan however ^_^ | 11:57 |
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| Ulrask | You are originally Chinese then ? | 11:57 |
| psycho_oreos | err me brother and I, but yeah born in Taiwan.. so to me Taiwan is my motherland and Australia is my fatherland | 11:57 |
| psycho_oreos | Taiwanese yup.. didn't go through compulsory military training though | 11:58 |
| Ulrask | Come on, there is no such thing as Taiwanese (KMT trolling, don't take it too seriously) | 11:58 |
| psycho_oreos | and my Chinese is poor :/ | 11:58 |
| psycho_oreos | there is when one is patriotic :D I'm old fashioned in that sense and I support Taiwan's independence | 11:59 |
| Ulrask | But not old fashioned enough to support that Taiwan should be part of Japan like the former president | 12:00 |
| psycho_oreos | heh he was corrupted wasn't he? though that would be a little wrong to claim Taiwan is part of Japan.. though you could look at it from one retrospective view that could be one way for Taiwan to be freed from China's pressure | 12:01 |
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| Ulrask | Seriously speaking though, I don't like the independentist. Sure it's unfair that all the hard work and efforts of Taiwanese gets back to China. Sure in a perfect world Taiwan should stay independant. But claiming independance would be the best way to provoke China into attacking. What would a blood bath accomplish ? | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | to me if Taiwan were to be part of China, imagine what would people think of Taiwn.. communist country.. and in Chinese.. one `loses' face | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | Taiwan* | 12:03 |
| psycho_oreos | you don't have to look far, North Korea.. where they censor everything.. same as China.. the great firewall | 12:03 |
| Ulrask | Best way to me is to agree to PRC that eventually Taiwan gets backs to China, and make the process as slow as possible, hoping that there would be a revolution in China before the reunification occurs | 12:03 |
| psycho_oreos | the last I heard U.S. would step in if China tries to take Taiwan by force, U.S. sees Taiwan as a vital trade hub in the south east | 12:05 |
| Ulrask | Militarily speaking, Taiwan is weaker and weaker, US won't sell us weapons anymore, and mainland china invest more and more in their army | 12:05 |
| Ulrask | An armed conflict is the last thing we'd want | 12:05 |
| Ulrask | So better not to piss them off | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | China seems to like taking things by force.. they were already happy they got Hong Kong back.. and Hong Kong people were generally non too pleased about being declared as Chinese citizens | 12:06 |
| Ulrask | And I really have the feeling that since W Bush US gave up on us already | 12:06 |
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| Ulrask | Yeah poor HKese, I feel for them :( | 12:06 |
| psycho_oreos | Taiwan is not only weak, but its really a small piece of land. If China wanted to declare war, they can drop a few nukes and they'll be no more Taiwan... but I'm sure by then it'll become nuclear war | 12:07 |
| Ulrask | It's not their interest to destroy Taiwan, we are not a threat to them, they just want the land because we are rich, but undamaged | 12:07 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't understand what is with China and their ever growing demand to take things by force, it just seems like with all the money they have, greed with power is what they see | 12:08 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't know about that just yet | 12:08 |
| Ulrask | It's just a remnant of the war | 12:08 |
| Ulrask | It's really a matter or pride to them to utterly crush the Republic of China | 12:08 |
| Ulrask | The same way Taiwan still claims ownership to the whole of mainland china | 12:08 |
| Ulrask | -or+of | 12:09 |
| psycho_oreos | to me, if lets say they did take Taiwan, I'm sure they'll attack South Korea and Japan next.. there's already wikipedia links noting how Chinese government deliberating noting in the school curriculum that the Korean castles were once Chinese castles | 12:09 |
| Ulrask | Generally speaking, I don't think China is so militaristic and expansionist | 12:09 |
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| Ulrask | I'm not sure they gonna want anything more than Taiwan afterward. Maybe North Korea yeah, but not more than that | 12:10 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't know.. but even if Taiwan becomes China, we'd (as Taiwan people) would be exploited by all these Chinese citizens claiming to be one of us as well.. and then there's this debacle with dual system | 12:11 |
| Ulrask | I'd much rather be in a country that is "ennemy of China" than, say, "ennemy of USA". | 12:11 |
| psycho_oreos | it won't be hard for them to talk deals with North Korea I bet.. but from what I can see, North Korea outside its capital is pretty much a wasteland, compared to South Korea whom is thriving and competing against other countries technologically | 12:12 |
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| Ulrask | I don't think there could be a dual system similar to HK in Taiwan, too much hate between PRC and ROC, they won't let ROC survive | 12:12 |
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| Ulrask | Since I am in Taiwan, I already noticed how little by little the ROC flags disappear from the streets, bus, official building... | 12:13 |
| Ulrask | Like they are already preparing the end of ROC | 12:13 |
| psycho_oreos | of course, they're trying to strangle ROC in many ways, but hopefully PRC needs to grow up and move on.. they've already got Hong Kong.. now they're trying to take other nearby nations.. what for? isn't one cake enough for them? | 12:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | I've heard that the older generations still uphold that ROC legacy, the newer generations (supposedly including people like me) wouldn't mind the PRC | 12:14 |
| Ulrask | Last year was celebration of yeah 100 of ROC. It was kind of sad, there was a latent feeling that year 100 was the end of something, that they would never been such thing as year 200 | 12:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | am I blind or is there no python3 on maemo5? | 12:15 |
| psycho_oreos | you meant year 2000? I wasn't in Taiwan at the time but I do remember there were really tight tensions | 12:15 |
| Ulrask | Nop year 100, I mean 2011 | 12:15 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 12:16 |
| Ulrask | Year 1 was 1911, you know, when 中山 ousted Puyi out of the forbidden palace | 12:16 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah, the coins were to note that :) | 12:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | years since the independence.. but I've only done grade 1 in Taiwan.. like I said, I pretty much grew up in Australia | 12:17 |
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| Sicelo | $ mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf mirror | 14:27 |
| Sicelo | hmm :/ | 14:27 |
| Sicelo | sorry | 14:27 |
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| jonwil | Pali: ping | 15:06 |
| Pali | jonwil, pong | 15:06 |
| jonwil | Did you hear anything else from the Nokia people you emailed? | 15:07 |
| Pali | no answer :-( | 15:07 |
| jonwil | ok :( | 15:07 |
| Pali | I will sent emails again in monday | 15:08 |
| jonwil | Maybe there are people responsible for interesting packages that have yet to be emailed, maybe its worth trying them... | 15:08 |
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| ShadowJK | what did you email about? | 15:14 |
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| * ShadowJK considers the .cn/.hk "brand new" n900 on ebay | 16:28 | |
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| x29a | no archOS device found? | 16:32 |
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| ShadowJK | got distracted from acquiring a tablet by my current n900 starting to die | 16:44 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: buy another n900! | 16:45 |
| ShadowJK | Yes, but that's not a trivial process | 16:45 |
| * ShadowJK was pondering archos more as an upgrade to his N800 and N810 | 16:45 | |
| kerio | ShadowJK: of course it is | 16:46 |
| kerio | ebay.com, "boxed n900", paypal, waiting | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | then if it arrives it might be dying too | 16:46 |
| kerio | well, i meant "brand new" or something | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | That's the: * ShadowJK considers the .cn/.hk "brand new" n900 on ebay | 16:47 |
| kerio | i see | 16:47 |
| Sicelo | how much? | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | 200 | 16:47 |
| kerio | $? | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 16:47 |
| kerio | i mean | 16:47 |
| kerio | USD? | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 16:47 |
| kerio | that's... not much at all | 16:47 |
| kerio | it's like 4.50 €, isn't it | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK | 152.6 | 16:48 |
| Sicelo | if really brand new, it's cheap :) | 16:49 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 16:50 |
| Sicelo | brand spanking new in the only shop here that still has it is $450 | 16:50 |
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| kerio | i have one for 190€ which is claimed brand new (it still has the plastic things on the screen and stuff) but the box has been opened to take a picture on ebay.it | 16:56 |
| kerio | should i? :s | 16:56 |
| Sicelo | follow your heart, lol :P | 16:58 |
| kerio | i want to | 16:58 |
| kerio | i really do | 16:58 |
| kerio | but i should fix mine instead | 16:58 |
| kerio | i don't know how, though | 16:58 |
| Sicelo | what's up with yours? | 16:59 |
| kerio | i should probably brick it so i have a moral excuse to buy another one | 16:59 |
| kerio | broken USB port, swollen battery, crappy internal battery, and general sillyness | 16:59 |
| Sicelo | well, if the one i just talked about was affordable, i'd buy it because i'm 100% sure it's the real deal | 17:00 |
| kerio | every once in a while the vibrator gets stuck, for instance | 17:00 |
| kerio | (high-pitched noise instead of vibration) | 17:00 |
| Sicelo | hmm, if u can afford the new one, i'd say get it | 17:00 |
| kerio | but what should i do with the old one? | 17:00 |
| Sicelo | keep it | 17:01 |
| kerio | but it's brok! D: | 17:01 |
| Sicelo | the 'new' one won't be new forever - so your old one will provide spares :P | 17:01 |
| kerio | i should probably sell it | 17:02 |
| Sicelo | 7well, up to you - personally i would buy a broken one with working TS, good ribbon cable, & such stuff | 17:03 |
| kerio | i bet the usb port on the new one will break easily :( | 17:04 |
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| Sicelo | ~usb-fix | 17:07 |
| infobot | well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 17:07 |
| Sicelo | if you're brave :) | 17:07 |
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| ShadowJK | swollen battery? that's dangerous :) | 18:21 |
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| ruskie | http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/nokia-to-focus-on-budget-handsets-1069912 | 18:33 |
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| ShadowJK | the stuck vibrator thing happens under high I/O load for me | 18:37 |
| ShadowJK | has happened on all N900s I've had | 18:37 |
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| machine2 | http://www.beta.facefox.com/index.php?do=/invite/ | 19:07 |
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| bernd339 | hi | 19:17 |
| bernd339 | wondering whats the prefered way for tethering my laptop and my n900 | 19:17 |
| bernd339 | bt pan connections "die" after some random amount of time and wifi ad-hoc seems to be not so reliable also | 19:18 |
| bernd339 | any hints? | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'm fed up with it as well. let's share the money and risk to get first one, if it pans out we get a second and maybe third/4th one same way | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (.hk) | 19:33 |
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| bernd339 | what does wlancond do? | 19:37 |
| bernd339 | scanning for available networks? | 19:38 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: what do you mean share | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I meant we pay 1/2 each, of first device ordered there. When you receive the device and find it OK, we can do same with 2nd device, this time for me | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas I think the 2nd one also should ship to your mailing addr, as the end result of the whole transaction might differ massively depending on shipping destination and customs regulations there | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then you'd need to forward it to me in a normal "birthday gift" package | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course we can do other way round, and tell .hk to ship all devices to my addr, if that's what you'd prefer to do | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bernd339: yes, among other things wlancond probably does that scanning for APs | 20:24 |
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| bernd339 | got that, stoppping wlancond and my tethering survives | 20:24 |
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| ShadowJK | What kind of policy does .de customs have? | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure about it. I once had to pay VAT for the 3 PV GTA02 Taipei sent me | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah techically I have to pay vat on items exceeding 45 euro or so | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, same here | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | i think germany has lower vat though? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 19% | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | 4 pp less | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus customs likes to guess arbitrary value of parcels, rather than taking the invoice for that | 20:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | hmm, there's no python3 on N900? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | inner EU seems to be free of VAT though | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. VAT already payed at origin | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK | customs accepted printed out dealextreme.com invoice here | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so, whatever your plans regarding .hk N900 purchase, tell me and I'll contribute/cooperate, as I'm also pondering to get one from there | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | Using my spare N900 right now, the screen protector on this one is so scratch free and smooth :o) | 20:44 |
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| ShadowJK | I've been looking at .fi auction websites too, and put in a few bids | 20:44 |
| RST38h | ohhoho | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hi Mr Santa | 20:50 |
| joga | heh I was lucky and my friend got some new phone and sold her old n900 for 50e :) | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're a it late | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | a bit* | 20:50 |
| x29a | guys, gimme a ping when ur ordering hk n950 ;) | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | to do what? | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course we will report back when it panned out, if that'S what you're asking for | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, N950? | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 20:53 |
| x29a | errr, yes ;) | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | how much are you willing to pay for mine? | 20:53 |
| x29a | 321 | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | krueger rand? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | deal | 20:54 |
| x29a | krueger rand? | 20:55 |
| x29a | ah, i c | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krugerrand | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 Rand: http://www.feingoldhandel.de/epages/15515330.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15515330/Products/12199994 | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ 321 * ( 347.01 / 2 ) | 21:01 |
| infobot | 55695.104999999996 | 21:01 |
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| x29a | yah, not gonna happen | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | c'mon, you get shipping for free | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no warranty though, beyond rollback when DOA. For obvious reasons as I have to change my name after that deal | 21:07 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey, it's even still on Version: 1.2011.22-6_PR_RM680 | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | means you still can decide whether you want to upgrade to more recent version, or rather keep that one which has some nice vulnerabilities to root aegis | 21:31 |
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| Sicelo | you mean you would really sell it DocScrutinizer? | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 321 Rand? sure | 21:32 |
| Sicelo | heh | 21:32 |
| Sicelo | isn't that thing property of Nokia? | 21:33 |
| * Sicelo doesn't understand the whole policy of developer devices | 21:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | err, yes. That's why I have to "die" after that deal ;-P | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: The policy is rather well thought: you lend devices as a development or evaluation platform. Recipient isn't allowed to sell and doesn't need to pay and taxes etc as it's not a purchase | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/and tax/any tax/. | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw IIRC the develdev contract has no further special obligation regarding handling and care for device. Means when the 3 year old son of my GF "helps cleaning up my apartment" and the device vanished after that, I only pay the agreed on penalty to Nokia, and Nokia is free to deliver proof for damage they suffered on my fault, in which case I can get held responsible for that damage as well. Hard to prove any such damage though | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the damage *my* reputation is suffering in such a case is a completely different story | 22:04 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, ping | 22:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the document diddn't actually say you couldn't sell it. Just that 500e was payable if it was lost. | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | At least as I recall. | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil Lumia 800 shipped | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ? | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | I expect a quick delivery since im not that excited about it | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil: The one you ordered in December | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | The launchpad thingy | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Right. | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | It left Italy | 22:52 |
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