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Macer | sigh | 06:33 |
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Sazpaimon | so whats this I hear about microsdxc cards working on N900 | 07:55 |
Sazpaimon | i thought they were electronically incompatible with sdhc | 07:55 |
Sazpaimon | how does that even work | 07:55 |
Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77420 | 08:01 |
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Macer | http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Mobile-MicroSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B006L7510U/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1328422142&sr=8-4 | 08:09 |
Macer | apparently that one works | 08:09 |
Macer | in an n900 | 08:09 |
Macer | i wonder why people are talking about fat32 | 08:11 |
Macer | can't you format the sd as ext2/3/4 and have the n900 read it? | 08:11 |
Macer | all you have to do is install the ext driver for windows so you don't have lame fat32 restrictions like 4GB files | 08:12 |
Macer | although i really can't see putting a 4GB file on a phone anyways | 08:12 |
Macer | since the n900 itself can't ply high def mkvs :) | 08:12 |
robbiethe1st | Not that you'd notice the high-def... the N900's screen is only 800x480, or wide-screen, 480P | 08:22 |
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Macer | yeah | 08:35 |
Macer | heh | 08:35 |
Macer | but it seems as though the sandisk 64GB sdxc has been tested and works although requires a reformat | 08:36 |
Macer | but meh.. what's a reformat amongst SDs? :) | 08:36 |
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Sazpaimon | Macer, yeah I know it works | 09:48 |
Sazpaimon | but i want to know how | 09:48 |
Sazpaimon | i thought the two are incompatible | 09:48 |
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oilinki | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Repo is tihs correct? | 11:52 |
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oilinki | http://mirror.yandex.ru/mirrors/meego-community/meego1.2/ community | 11:53 |
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trumee | freemangordon: ping | 15:38 |
freemangordon | trumee, pong | 15:39 |
trumee | freemangordon: was wondering if you found time to build that debug version of bridge driver? | 15:39 |
freemangordon | trumee, still not, and TBH I am wondering if it will be of any help. It just does not make sense, I have 2 devices here playing those videos perfectly. And I am out of ideas why the hell it does not work for you. | 15:42 |
freemangordon | Your DSP crashes like it is undervolted too much, but that should not be the case | 15:43 |
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trumee | freemangordon: right. kp48/stock kernel play those videos well. would it help if i test against 720p codecs? | 15:44 |
freemangordon | trumee, well, that could be usefull | 15:44 |
freemangordon | and it takes only about 10 minutes to install | 15:45 |
freemangordon | will you do that? | 15:45 |
trumee | yes, can do that. although, you will need to tell me how to remove them after the test | 15:46 |
freemangordon | ok, sure | 15:46 |
freemangordon | it is a matter of apt-get ;) | 15:46 |
trumee | ok, i am reading the instructions from first page of 720p thread | 15:46 |
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freemangordon | just follow then | 15:47 |
freemangordon | BTW I am not sure you will wand to revert to stock :D | 15:47 |
freemangordon | *want | 15:47 |
trumee | omap3-dsp-hd-codecs pre-depends on wget ? | 15:49 |
freemangordon | yep, needed to download the codecs from nokia repo | 15:49 |
trumee | ok | 15:49 |
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trumee | i dont need to backup libgstdsp.so of stock? | 15:50 |
freemangordon | nope, you can atp-get install --reinstall it | 15:51 |
trumee | k | 15:51 |
freemangordon | don't forget to remove gst-openmax | 15:51 |
trumee | yes, done that. now rebooting | 15:51 |
freemangordon | good | 15:51 |
Sicelo | if those vieos don't play because of undervolted dsp, then i agree with trumee that kp49 is broken. i haven't adjusted any voltage/speed properties on mine. | 15:51 |
freemangordon | Sicelo, trumee is not OC at all | 15:52 |
Sicelo | i know | 15:52 |
freemangordon | neither is SR enabled (despite the fact there is a bug in KP pre50, causing SR vdd1 to be enabled) | 15:53 |
freemangordon | but he flashed a build with that bug fixed, the same result | 15:53 |
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freemangordon | hmm, harmattan kernel has a new version on SDK repo, will check it if there are changes re DSP | 15:55 |
trumee | freemangordon: ok, with 720 and no SR, video plays well | 15:56 |
trumee | freemangordon: no dsp crashes | 15:57 |
freemangordon | and how it is with SR? | 15:57 |
freemangordon | could you check it | 15:57 |
trumee | ok | 15:57 |
freemangordon | just do kernel-config load default | 15:57 |
trumee | freemangordon: no crashes with SR again | 15:59 |
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freemangordon | that is great, seems SR is stable after all. So at least we have a workaround. The problem is that crash is because on your device gst-openmax is incompatible with KP49. Maybe I will have to build upstream gst-dsp and get rid of that gst-openmax once and for all. | 16:01 |
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freemangordon | trumee, I would recomment to leave it as it is, even make "default" your power-up KP profile, should have about 20%-30% better battery life | 16:02 |
freemangordon | but it is up to you of course | 16:02 |
trumee | freemangordon: :) | 16:02 |
freemangordon | yeah, harmattan codecs are not only abot 720p | 16:03 |
trumee | freemangordon: i guess folks wont be too happy when kp gets merged with CSSU, and people are using stock codecs | 16:03 |
freemangordon | they support much more video formats than stock, divx one of them | 16:03 |
trumee | freemangordon: how do i make "default" as my default? | 16:04 |
freemangordon | trumee, agree, but the final goal is to have harmattan codecs in CSSU ;) | 16:04 |
freemangordon | just copy /ush/share/kernel-power/default to /etc/default/kernel-power | 16:05 |
freemangordon | actually there is a kernel-config command for that, but i am not sure for the exact format | 16:05 |
trumee | freemangordon: perhaps, this needs to be put as a issue on the starting page of kp49/50. | 16:05 |
SpeedEvil | \t | 16:06 |
SpeedEvil | You're assuming SR is stable on all devices | 16:06 |
freemangordon | sure, but anyway my next todo is to build upstream gst-dsp and test it with the stock codecs. if that works I can push it in CSSU, removing that obsolete and crappy gst-openmax | 16:06 |
freemangordon | SpeedEvil, so far seems so | 16:07 |
SpeedEvil | It greatly depends on the usecase too. | 16:07 |
merlin1991 | freemangordon: does upstream gst-dsp have support for our arm? | 16:07 |
SpeedEvil | For 'idle' life, it will have almost no effect. | 16:07 |
freemangordon | merlin1991, it is the only support it hs :D | 16:07 |
SpeedEvil | mp3 is possibly the baest case | 16:07 |
freemangordon | SpeedEvil, it is most effective for idle life | 16:08 |
freemangordon | for example - without SR the voltage for 250 is 36 (if memory serves me well). SR calculates voltage for 250 in range 22-25 | 16:08 |
freemangordon | that is about 30% lower | 16:09 |
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ShadowJK | In idle frequency is 0 and voltage is 0 :) | 16:09 |
freemangordon | ShadowJK, sure, but you have core woken up about several hundreds time per second | 16:10 |
freemangordon | and that is where lower voltage kicks in | 16:10 |
freemangordon | BTW there is a thread on TMO, some guy did some measurements. | 16:11 |
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ShadowJK | SR is so flaky and unreliable even TI who made it disowned it :) | 16:12 |
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freemangordon | ShadowJK, it works on n9/50. All that matters is efuse calibration, which for some reason is nuts on n900. So what KP49 and above do is: | 16:13 |
freemangordon | get 2 reference points from efuse | 16:14 |
freemangordon | re-calculate for the whole frequency range. So far it seems to work stable. | 16:14 |
ShadowJK | So does that do anything to fix stock codecs stability relaive to stock kernel? | 16:15 |
ShadowJK | They're already a bit too crashy ime :) | 16:16 |
freemangordon | SR has nothing to do with DSP :) | 16:16 |
freemangordon | and actually noone but TI/Nokia can change DSP binaries. Which won't happen :) | 16:17 |
DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: (undervolted/overclocked) my very first quetion to trumee | 16:18 |
freemangordon | nope, stock | 16:18 |
freemangordon | no OC, no UV | 16:18 |
freemangordon | no SR | 16:18 |
freemangordon | afk for a while | 16:18 |
DocScrutinizer | well, EM would eat DSP permanently, and could happen even without OC | 16:23 |
DocScrutinizer | btw the primary goal of CSSUI is to deliver a system that's 100% compatible to stock, just *more stable* | 16:24 |
DocScrutinizer | -I | 16:24 |
DocScrutinizer | goal #2: fix design flaws while not breaking goal #1 | 16:26 |
DocScrutinizer | goal #3: get new cool much demanded features while not breaking #2 or #1 | 16:27 |
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DocScrutinizer | CSSU is no hacker edition | 16:29 |
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DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: (OC) even with allowed clock rates, the spec of the SoC sopecifies "no more than 15 per 1000 dead chips after nnn hours of activity" | 16:33 |
DocScrutinizer | odds are somebody might be one of the 15 | 16:33 |
DocScrutinizer | you know these things always follow Gauss curve | 16:34 |
DocScrutinizer | except for gaussean mean vs OC that's an exponential function | 16:36 |
DocScrutinizer | of some higher order | 16:36 |
freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, trumee has problems with KP49 and stock DSP binaries, KP48/stock work as it should, KP49 with harmattan DSP binaries too. I don't think it is a matter of EM. | 16:37 |
DocScrutinizer | prolly not, right | 16:37 |
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freemangordon | and having upstream gst-dsp in CSSU is not making it "hacker edition" | 16:38 |
freemangordon | *make | 16:38 |
freemangordon | whatever | 16:38 |
DocScrutinizer | though it *could* if the pk49 together with stock codecs results in using an unusual branch in code that in turn uses an opcode that got "fused" in dsp | 16:38 |
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freemangordon | could be | 16:39 |
DocScrutinizer | highly unlikely, but possible | 16:39 |
freemangordon | but it seems it is not only trumee, Sicelo says he has the same problem | 16:39 |
DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 16:39 |
Pali | Hi, I need help. One of my application is auto killed when started from Menu | 16:39 |
Pali | What changes are need in desktop file? | 16:40 |
DocScrutinizer | which are the codec binaries used in CSSU? | 16:40 |
Pali | for proper dbus registring? | 16:40 |
freemangordon | There are no DSP binaries in CSSU (yet) | 16:40 |
DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 16:40 |
freemangordon | Pali, maybe you should look at adeclock thread, nicolai posted some code | 16:40 |
Pali | ok, thanks | 16:41 |
DocScrutinizer | Pali: I tend to always forget about what it was, but I think you need to register your app inside your app, sth like that | 16:41 |
freemangordon | But I have no clue if your case is the same. | 16:41 |
DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure if fix to .desktop is sufficient | 16:41 |
DocScrutinizer | I guess it's more like when you use that "service=foobar" thing in .desktop, your app needs to register with dbus which usually gets done by Qt main or sth | 16:43 |
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Pali | I'm using osso_initialize in that app | 16:44 |
DocScrutinizer | that's the one iirc | 16:44 |
DocScrutinizer | and your app auto-quits after 90s? | 16:45 |
DocScrutinizer | s/90s/the dbus-reply wait timeout/. | 16:46 |
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Pali | app := game wargus (using stratagus engine); app quit when I click start campaign | 16:48 |
Pali | when I start it from xterm there is no problem | 16:48 |
DocScrutinizer | then that's probably not related to above mentioned domain | 16:49 |
Pali | should be | 16:49 |
DocScrutinizer | Pali: rather your env isn't what your app expects it to be, when started from icon | 16:49 |
Pali | in old version I removed from desktop file X-Osso-Service | 16:50 |
Pali | and after that no quit problem | 16:50 |
DocScrutinizer | X-Osso-Service=com.nokia.modest | 16:50 |
DocScrutinizer | X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable | 16:50 |
Pali | and now I released new version and it has that problem | 16:50 |
DocScrutinizer | yes, but that is not related to clicking anything, it quits always after 90s(?) | 16:50 |
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DocScrutinizer | I guess you are e.g. using relative paths and your cwd is different when running from icon | 16:51 |
DocScrutinizer | sth like that | 16:51 |
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Pali | I will try to add X-Osso-Service file | 16:52 |
DocScrutinizer | don't you have any printf() in case something (fopen() for instance) goes awry? can't you do "myapp 2>/tmp/myapp.log" in .desktop? | 16:53 |
DocScrutinizer | try run-standalone.sh myapp | 16:54 |
rZr | @j | 16:54 |
rZr | l | 16:55 |
DocScrutinizer | e.g. your app might want to print to stdout and that's closed when running from icon | 16:55 |
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DocScrutinizer | Pali: you might want to do "less /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh" | 17:02 |
DocScrutinizer | this gets sourced by run-standalone.sh, gives an idea about what env an app needs to run properly | 17:03 |
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DocScrutinizer | (<Pali> in old version I removed from desktop file X-Osso-Service) yes, exactly what I told ya, when you got that line in your .desktop, the system (hildon-XXX) will try to talk to that client on dbus. if there's no answer then after timeout the app gets killed (AIUI) | 17:06 |
DocScrutinizer | common problrm: the name in X-Osso-Service= doesn't match the dbus name your app is using | 17:07 |
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Pali | I created proper file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services | 17:35 |
Pali | and added X-Osso-Service to desktop file | 17:36 |
Pali | but app is still killed | 17:36 |
Pali | and in syslog is: hildon-desktop[1888]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - bad window 0x3e00001 | 17:36 |
Pali | I will try to use gdb, why is still likked | 17:38 |
Pali | *killed | 17:39 |
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freemangordon | trumee, ping | 17:44 |
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Pali | DocScrutinizer, gdb telling me that app got SIGSEGV | 18:19 |
Pali | so it is not caused by hildon-xxxx | 18:19 |
DocScrutinizer51 | toldya | 18:19 |
Pali | run-standalone.sh app in desktop does not fixing crashing | 18:25 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | when you already use gdb to trace the segv, you should know which line is causing it and why | 18:27 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | cmd BT in gdb should help | 18:28 |
freemangordon | :) | 18:29 |
DocScrutinizer51 | also avoiding to strip debug symbols off your binary is a good idea | 18:29 |
freemangordon | Pali, is it Qt app you are debugging | 18:29 |
Pali | freemangordon, no | 18:29 |
Pali | it is Stratagus & Wargus, it use SDL video output | 18:29 |
Pali | DocScrutinizer51, I have debug symbols | 18:30 |
Pali | but problem is that it crash on first line of some function | 18:31 |
Pali | first line is function declaration | 18:31 |
DocScrutinizer51 | so look in gdb for stack frames and even line number | 18:31 |
DocScrutinizer51 | if it says it faults on 1st line then youu got no debug symbols inside that function | 18:32 |
DocScrutinizer51 | or the function in fact is inline | 18:32 |
DocScrutinizer51 | gcc seems to love doing implicit inline when optimizing | 18:33 |
Pali | gdb saying it crashing on line 565 and it is: int CPlayer::CheckLimits(const CUnitType &type) const { | 18:33 |
DocScrutinizer51 | is this a local function or a lib function? | 18:34 |
Pali | lib | 18:35 |
DocScrutinizer51 | btw my c-fu fails on second const in there | 18:35 |
DocScrutinizer51 | see? | 18:35 |
DocScrutinizer51 | lib comes w/o debug info | 18:36 |
Pali | aaa, it is not lib it is linked into executable | 18:36 |
DocScrutinizer51 | anyway a lib func shouldn't segv unless you feed borked parameters (and a good lib not even than) | 18:37 |
Pali | but I have debug symbols for full executable | 18:37 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | then* | 18:37 |
DocScrutinizer51 | start gdb, load app binary, set a breakpoint in the func call, then run. when bp stops, you can inspect the parameters passed to func | 18:39 |
DocScrutinizer51 | check they are reasonable | 18:39 |
DocScrutinizer51 | or simply scrutinize your code that sets up the parameters for that function | 18:40 |
Pali | but why app crashing only when started from hildon menu? | 18:41 |
DocScrutinizer51 | you'll find out when you see why it crashes at all | 18:41 |
Pali | one passed parameter is OK (it is object and gdb show me all members), and also is *this pointer OK | 18:46 |
DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: honestly, that function line you quoted makes no sense to me - could anybody explain the meaning to me please? | 18:46 |
DocScrutinizer51 | I can't parse "" ) const { "" | 18:47 |
Pali | const (in c++) means that this function can be called on const object | 18:48 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | fsck c++ | 18:48 |
DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: thanks | 18:49 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | I even fail on "const object", maybe I need some more coffee | 18:51 |
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BCMM | what's the best way to use the IR transmitter at the moment? it appears that the online DBs used by irreco/qtirreco don't work | 20:27 |
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Macer | hm | 20:48 |
Macer | seems like omweather doesn't update when the screen is off? | 20:48 |
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Macer | at least i keep catching it with an x/y temp when the screen comes back on and i have to manually update it | 20:49 |
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Sicelo | i know foreca doesn't (which i think is a good thing) | 20:54 |
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Macer | i suppose | 21:06 |
Macer | guess it wants to save that 5min of battery life :) | 21:06 |
Macer | you would think it would refresh once the screen came on at least tho | 21:06 |
Macer | not all the time but if it missed a scheduled refresh | 21:07 |
Sicelo | well, foreca does .. also depends on how good/bad my internet is (usually bad, lol) | 21:07 |
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Macer | i guess maybe i'll swap to foreca then | 21:07 |
Macer | it isn't a big deal but just enough to feel like scratching a chalkboard | 21:08 |
Macer | because starting the app and updating probably eats more battery than itself just updating while the screen is off | 21:08 |
Macer | damn.. i wonder if the burger place is open | 21:08 |
Macer | guess i'll go see | 21:08 |
Macer | later | 21:08 |
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ShadowJK | foreca updates when screen comes on again | 21:22 |
ShadowJK | also things like "Tickstill" you can catch it showing old timer data for a split second after screen coming on again | 21:22 |
ShadowJK | well written software :) | 21:22 |
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jonaskoelker | Hi all. I add one of my contacts to my desktop; he doesn't show up on-screen. I think his coordinates might be screwy. Where do I check for this? | 23:00 |
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