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| lachs_ | ^ÂÊÎÔÛâêîôûĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŴŵŶŷˆ̭̂᷍ḒḓḘḙḼḽṊṋṰṱṶṷẐẑẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộ⨣⨶⩯ꞈ＾ | 01:30 |
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| Macer | uhm | 01:31 |
| Macer | hi | 01:31 |
| lachs_ | (j #xchat | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lachs_: wazzup? | 01:40 |
| lachs_ | nuffin | 01:40 |
| lachs_ | sup wif u? | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF Ṷṷ ? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems to show some rendering bug in either konveration, or generally KDE/X | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually those weird chars really seem to have underlength across whole following row | 01:45 |
| lachs_ | they don't | 01:48 |
| lachs_ | lrn2gtk | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck, you killed xchat | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what for would I learn gtk?? :-S | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could kick you without knowing about gtk :-P | 02:20 |
| Macer | well... sopa/pipa were pulled | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you didn't PLAN to make my bouncer playback that crap each time I restart xchat after it segfaulted | 02:21 |
| Macer | huh? | 02:22 |
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| lachs_ | DocScrutinizer, actually, i did | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're begging for a kickban? | 02:25 |
| lachs_ | nope | 02:25 |
| lachs_ | just trolling | 02:25 |
| lachs_ | if i would beg for a kickban, i'd just post it again :3 | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, doesn't matter how often you post it, you admitted you hoped for that crap messing all users' irc proxies, thus running a DOS attack against them | 02:27 |
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| lachs_ | wtf man? | 02:28 |
| lachs_ | that's in NO WAY a ddos | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course not, you fool. As you can't be a multitude of entities, so where's the Distributed of DDoS? | 02:29 |
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| lachs_ | s/dd/d/g | 02:29 |
| infobot | lachs_ meant: that's in NO WAY a dos | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just like I'd do this every time you try to log in: | 02:29 |
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| * AIN2 grabs some popcorn. | 02:30 | |
| lachs_ | but i don't try to login | 02:30 |
| lachs_ | also: i was just testing my unicode support | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | fist telling you're up for trolling (and planning to poison my bouncer's buffer) | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | then lame excuses | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | while my xchat segfaults each time I restart it | 02:31 |
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| lachs_ | i was trolling you by saying i was trolling when i wasn't | 02:31 |
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| lachs_ | someone mad? | 02:32 |
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| marienz | DocScrutinizer: if you encounter more of these please prod me (or some other staffer if I'm not around) | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | marienz: sure thing | 02:47 |
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| marienz | (I caught him doing this elsewhere after he did it here (before I joined here), and told him to stop. He just tried again and has been removed from the network for the time being) | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 02:48 |
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| Macer | hm | 04:25 |
| Macer | anybody know the project that was attempting to remove X from linux in favor of fb ? | 04:25 |
| jacekowski | android? | 04:28 |
| gregoa | Macer: wayland? | 04:28 |
| Macer | gregoa: possibly | 04:30 |
| Macer | wayland seems like it would still use X | 04:33 |
| Macer | android heh.. no :) | 04:34 |
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| Robot101 | Macer: wayland won't still use X | 04:57 |
| Robot101 | directfb was some fb craziness, but wayland is much bettewr | 04:57 |
| Robot101 | corrects the architecture that makes compositing slow and painful in X | 04:57 |
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| beford | MohammadAG, ping | 05:42 |
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| MohammadAG | Pong | 09:09 |
| RST38h | pong indeed | 09:13 |
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| beford | hi MohammadAG | 09:22 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: so the n900's xchat chokes on that string? | 09:34 |
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| newbie007 | hi, I'm new to scratchbox. I can't ping in scratchbox, and I can preform a curl command in some c code I'm writing using curl_easy_preform ... any ideas,tips ? | 09:45 |
| valdyn | newbie007: why cant you ping? | 09:49 |
| newbie007 | the error is "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted" | 09:49 |
| valdyn | newbie007: try as root | 09:50 |
| newbie007 | from code curl is returning couldn't resolve host | 09:50 |
| valdyn | newbie007: thats a seperate and different error | 09:50 |
| beford | check your resolve.conf newbie007 | 09:50 |
| valdyn | newbie007: only root can ping, the usual workaround for that might not be set up | 09:51 |
| newbie007 | from the host box I can ping, only in scratchbox. I don't know if there is a root user, it's some sort of fakeroot | 09:51 |
| valdyn | newbie007: ok, no surprise you cant ping then | 09:51 |
| valdyn | newbie007: that doesnt stop curl from working though | 09:51 |
| newbie007 | I'm trying to write a desktop widget for the n900 and getting an error code of 6 (CURLE_COULDNT_RESOLVE_HOST) | 09:52 |
| newbie007 | hmm... | 09:52 |
| beford | newbie007, check /etc/resolv.conf inside the scrachtbox environment | 09:53 |
| valdyn | newbie007: yes we already know that,what beford said | 09:53 |
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| valdyn | newbie007: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 36136 Apr 12 2011 /bin/ping <- see, ping has root automagically | 09:53 |
| MohammadAG | has root? | 09:54 |
| newbie007 | sorry to bug you, I think it's the website... not sure why curl can't see it but I can get to a different site | 09:54 |
| newbie007 | using curl | 09:54 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: the suid bit is set | 09:54 |
| MohammadAG | that sounds better :p | 09:55 |
| MohammadAG | sync scratchbox and host resolv.conf | 09:55 |
| newbie007 | I didn't think it was a security thing, because I can do a ping --help without issue | 09:55 |
| MohammadAG | also, use run-standalone.sh when starting apps | 09:55 |
| MohammadAG | ping --help shouldn't open a socket | 09:56 |
| valdyn | newbie007: it runs fine, it just cant do its job when for some reason it is not running as root | 09:56 |
| MohammadAG | you're just calling printf() in the end | 09:56 |
| beford | hey MohammadAG, I was searching for an example to compile kernel modules on n900, and remembered the psfreedom package | 09:57 |
| beford | but I've had serveral problems trying to compile it | 09:57 |
| MohammadAG | fire away | 09:57 |
| beford | I'm using the .dsc and .tar.gz version 0.6 and it seems like some version strings are hardcoded or just don't work with scratchbox, for example it tries to compile kernel-power-source as v46 but its supposed to be v49 | 09:59 |
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| beford | anyway the problem wasn't directly with psfreedom package, more like kernel-source. always got an Error 2 and it never completed | 10:02 |
| beford | I'm following http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide to compile it and will try to link the psfreedom mod to it | 10:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: please fix xchat | 11:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the only semi-informative post of that lachs_ sucker been "lrn2gtk" | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I gurss other gtk-based apps might be affected as well by that bug | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not yet awake and tend to "stop the bug by removing the shit that attracts it" | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe sb want to give some hints how to get decent coredump or other helping info from xchat, as long as it still segfaults on each start | 11:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 12:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what a terrible host this sucker had BAD, BAD! Last addr : n=lachs@BADb6d7.bad.pppool.de | 12:11 |
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| haltdef | :o | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, lachs_ ist ~lachs@adsl-84-227-224-144.adslplus.ch (lachs) | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsckng swissman abusing some .de service to hide his true location? | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ping | 12:14 |
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| * DocScrutinizer curses maemo-launcher | 12:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody any hints on how to strace that shit? seems I'm just not up to 100% performance yet | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat just says +++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++ | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and strace +fF xchat doesn't help either, to get anything enlightening | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather xchat isn't spawning maemo-launcher realy, but rather using an already running instance? | 12:23 |
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| AIN2 | https://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/issues/detail?id=132&can=1 | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, yeah | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace `pidof maemo-launcher` | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace -p `pidof maemo-launcher` | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | even | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh yes, many thanks AIN2 | 12:27 |
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| AIN2 | yw | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | particularly https://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/issues/detail?id=132#c15 | 12:29 |
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| Macer | hm | 14:12 |
| Macer | what was the mount optino to remount? | 14:12 |
| AIN2 | mount -o remount ... | 14:13 |
| Macer | lol ok | 14:14 |
| * Macer kicks himself in the face for that one | 14:14 | |
| Macer | thanks AIN2 | 14:14 |
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| merlin1991 | lil hint if you remount a bindmount you need -o remount,bind otherwise things get fsckd :D | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for all those suffering from xchat segfaulting since last night - there's a scriptie for you fixing that: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/clean-N900xchat-scrollback-from-rogue-string.sh | 14:38 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: heh. i didn't think people still used xchat :) | 14:46 |
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| haltdef | there's another maemo irc client? | 14:49 |
| merlin1991 | haltdef: quassel | 14:49 |
| merlin1991 | !! | 14:49 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 14:49 |
| haltdef | steady | 14:49 |
| merlin1991 | I've been using quassel on my n900 as long as I had it as primary phone, and atm I can't wait to get quassel properly running on my n9 :D | 14:50 |
| haltdef | I'm using znc+mirc atm, irc on the n900 would only be as backup if I didn't have my win7 umpc for whatever reason | 14:51 |
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| * merlin1991 prefers quasselcore on server + quassel client on all devices | 14:53 | |
| haltdef | I can script the bejesus out of mirc | 14:54 |
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| merlin1991 | I need no scripts in irc :D | 14:55 |
| haltdef | me either | 14:55 |
| haltdef | they're still nice | 14:55 |
| merlin1991 | though I wouldn't say no to a script engine in the quassel client | 14:55 |
| haltdef | .. there isn't one? | 14:55 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 14:56 |
| merlin1991 | though the gui is complete enough that you don't need to script most of the stuff you'd script in mirc | 14:56 |
| merlin1991 | and there's the issue of no ddc :/ | 14:56 |
| haltdef | foobar2000, sabnzbd and mpc-hc scripts are more what I mean | 14:57 |
| haltdef | nickserv id too (znc does that for me now) | 14:57 |
| merlin1991 | wtf do you need to script for foobar? | 14:57 |
| haltdef | now playing | 14:57 |
| merlin1991 | well | 14:57 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 14:57 |
| merlin1991 | not exactly neccessary | 14:58 |
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| haltdef | didn't say it was | 14:58 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 14:58 |
| haltdef | be cool running the core on a raspberry pi | 14:58 |
| merlin1991 | hehe, yep that would be fun | 14:59 |
| merlin1991 | I think the pi would make a great small hom server (not exactly file sever unless you hook up the gpio to some sata interface somehow) | 14:59 |
| merlin1991 | s/hom/home/ | 14:59 |
| haltdef | using a gentoo VM for znc and bitlbee atm | 15:00 |
| haltdef | no good during a power cut, with the pi irc and IM would stay up, networking kit and the pi on a UPS | 15:00 |
| merlin1991 | my core runs on a server in some dataserver :D | 15:01 |
| merlin1991 | err datacenter | 15:01 |
| haltdef | waste of money for me, I'd just lose irc when the server went down | 15:01 |
| haltdef | almost always attached to znc from within my network | 15:02 |
| merlin1991 | yeah, I use the server for other stuff too, but for a home solution I think the pi would be close to perfect | 15:02 |
| merlin1991 | thouth it still has to reach shipping :D | 15:02 |
| * merlin1991 remembers in november -> no december -> before christmas -> before new year -> when it's done :D | 15:03 | |
| haltdef | microsoft release schedule | 15:03 |
| haltdef | they've actually entered production now, not far off | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | I still don't know which distribution I'm going to put on my pi when I get one | 15:05 |
| merlin1991 | still pondering between just getting debian or completely building my own | 15:05 |
| haltdef | I was going to attempt a gentoo install | 15:05 |
| haltdef | not for actual use, probably end up with debian for that, just to see if I can | 15:06 |
| merlin1991 | I'm probably going to crosscompile a complete solution from my desktop pc | 15:07 |
| haltdef | that's what I'd do with gentoo | 15:07 |
| haltdef | can't really compile on such a slow arm core | 15:07 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 15:07 |
| merlin1991 | I also wonder how hard it would be to get the mer core running in a way that everything hw wise from the pi works | 15:08 |
| merlin1991 | and if that works slap kde on top to get the arm running hot xD | 15:08 |
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| Wizzup | I don't think you need crosscompile for that | 15:10 |
| Wizzup | Well, unless you want to compile libreoffice or something | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dang, I thought now xchat runs in an endless loop, until I noticed strace still spitting mega-lines of trace to ssh :-P --- kill %1 fixed the issue | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | now for infobot :-/ | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: could you bother to implement that fix for xchat ( https://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/issues/detail?id=132#c7 ) and roll out a new version to extras-devel? | 16:05 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: you do realize that the helpful comment on the bugtracker you posted went onto the bugtracker for xchat on windows, where there is no suc thing as head? :D | 17:18 |
| merlin1991 | or bash, or the other fancy stuff your quickfix uses :D | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: eh?, a) I dunno of a bugtracker, though maybe that google-code crap actually is one. B) I don't care at all | 17:19 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | C) I suggested to *edit* the file, just the "how to edit it the smart way" is of course a slap in the face of winsoze lemmings | 17:20 |
| merlin1991 | yep :D | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw not even messybox supports head -n -1 | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-(( | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart messybox | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart infobot | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~kickass timriker | 17:22 |
| ShadowJK | head -1 | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | now THAT'S completely deprecated | 17:23 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 17:23 |
| ShadowJK | hm, OpenBSD's head says -n must be followed by positive integer | 17:24 |
| ShadowJK | and then claims Posix compliance | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | pffff | 17:24 |
| merlin1991 | ~lart posix compliance | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway --lines= also not supported by messybox | 17:25 |
| ShadowJK | Just avoid the gnu extensions and you'll be fine when not on a gnu system :P | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and how the hell do I get "all lines of <file> minus the last N" ? | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | with awk??? | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | You can unset record seperator, set field sep to newline, and then print out al but the last n fields | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | awks other than gawk may barf on the really long 'line'. | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | bwahahaha | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise, it's array time. | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | just as busybox supports arrays :-/ | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | or count the lines with wc first ;p | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | head -n $(( $(wc -l $file) - 1 ) $file | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - of course | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | my ass hurts | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | head -n $(( $(wc -l $file) - 1 )) $file | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | 'ARGIND==1{l=NR}ARGIND==2&&NR<l' file file | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: can't follow that one | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | awk I guess | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas awk on maemo is... you guessed it: messybox | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | If the current file it's processing is the one with the index 1, then assign the current line number to l. If it's 2, then if the current line number is under l, then print it | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so expect to see more nifty commands fail with "not implemented" | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | The above is quite standard, I think. | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | No gawk features | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, it failed on such things like PRINT iirc | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | print in uppercase will fail | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | really I CBA to look up what I smithed on bash/true-awk for an afternoon, just to find it failing epically on maemo | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might find it in this chan's logfiles | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't even recall what for I came up with it | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, time for some RL | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Wave, | 17:39 |
| * ShadowJK used to have a NetBSD and Solaris machine for testing portability | 17:40 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | a bash/messybox/whatever special mode that'd just copy the output of "set +vx" #******!plus a warning comment for each bashism******; to a logfile - that'd be cute. Maybe even with another goodie: list FQN of all executables invoked, comes in handy to weed out initscripts/optification-mess | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | icing on top: bash/whatever looks for a special tagFILE in a (set of) defined position(s) to decide whether to enter that mode | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so even shellscripts that load #!/bin/sh would look for those flags and you could debug initscripts etc without having to mess with either a wrapper around /bin/sh or editing initscripts (eeew!) | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | on a second thought, replacing /bin/sh by a debug version binary doesn't seem too hard to maintain | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | still the posix test that doesn't fail but just spits warnings was a nice thing to have | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | something like "set -o posix_report-only" | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "set -o posix_nofail" | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | "set -o check_for_posix_and_report" | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, info head: >>... If your script must also run on hosts that support only the obsolete syntax, it is usually simpler to avoid `head', e.g., by using `sed 5q' instead of `head -5'. << | 18:56 |
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| RST38h | Crazy people: http://gizmodo.com/5878111/lomokino-adapter-lets-your-phone-capture-35mm-movies-without-an-app | 22:11 |
| RST38h | (wondering how many they have sold) | 22:12 |
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| smhar | I have a strange problem. I can receive calls from any number but one. that number can call any number but mine! | 22:26 |
| smhar | it is as if this number is blocked by my phone, which I do not remember doing so. is there a way to check? | 22:27 |
| ShadowJK | does it beep busy | 22:27 |
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| smhar | ShadowJK, the other phone always receives a busy tone | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | smhar: If you swap sims over, does the block move with the SIMS? | 22:47 |
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| ShadowJK | i dont think an app on n900 could make the other end beep busy | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | atleast you'd get a normal tone first, and then busy, if n900 had rejected the call | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed | 22:55 |
| smhar | SpeedEvil, if I put my sim in another mobile it works. | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 22:55 |
| smhar | I know | 22:56 |
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| ShadowJK | N900 by default has no capability to block calls | 23:03 |
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| ShadowJK | not sure if there are apps that can do it | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure this could happen. E.G when per-contact-ringtone daemon crashes and messes up rtcom-stack | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | smhar; ^^^ | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: first there's an inbound INVITE, then ME shall answer with an OK, only then the call signal tone is played back at far end | 23:10 |
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| ShadowJK | and if OK isn't sent, caller gets the "not in range" tone? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | if ME answers with an NAK immediately, you'll hear a busy signal at far end | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:12 |
| Macer | heh | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though, that's unclear (at least to me) as INVITE transmission is already acked on a lower layer, I gurss | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | for VoIP it is *recommended* that OK/NAK is sent in less than iirc 200ms | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | though usually even 10s are tolerated by exchange/server | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but eventually it will signal "not available" anyway, for sure | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | until then... silence | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | which isn't exactly an unusual thing so may go unnoticed | 23:15 |
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