IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-01-20

*** federico2 has quit IRC00:00
*** gri is now known as zz_gri00:02
*** bergie has quit IRC00:02
*** SmilyOrg has quit IRC00:02
*** Venemo has quit IRC00:05
*** Smily has joined #maemo00:07
*** args[0] has joined #maemo00:12
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo00:18
*** ALoGeNo has joined #maemo00:19
*** ALoGeNo has quit IRC00:19
*** ALoGeNo has joined #maemo00:19
*** snoopy_ has joined #maemo00:22
*** penguinbait has quit IRC00:25
*** snoopy_ has quit IRC00:28
*** Smily has quit IRC00:28
*** Smily has joined #maemo00:28
*** Smily has quit IRC00:29
*** liar has quit IRC00:30
*** GNUton-BNC has quit IRC00:30
*** Smily has joined #maemo00:31
*** GNUton-BNC has joined #maemo00:31
*** AIN2 has quit IRC00:36
*** plate has quit IRC00:36
*** GeneralAntilles has joined #maemo00:42
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo00:46
*** penguinbait has quit IRC00:46
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo00:46
*** habmala has quit IRC00:46
*** hylas has joined #maemo00:47
*** hylas has joined #maemo00:47
*** hardaker has quit IRC00:52
*** FIQ has joined #maemo00:55
*** retro|cz has quit IRC00:58
*** zk8 has joined #maemo01:00
*** RST38h has quit IRC01:04
*** Aranel has quit IRC01:06
*** norayr has quit IRC01:08
*** haltdef has joined #maemo01:09
*** shanttu has quit IRC01:09
*** jeverling_ has quit IRC01:19
*** jeverling has joined #maemo01:20
*** plate has joined #maemo01:23
*** Transformer has joined #maemo01:25
*** Transformer has quit IRC01:27
*** jabis has quit IRC01:28
*** userX-Ron__ has joined #maemo01:29
*** jabis has joined #maemo01:29
*** jeverling has quit IRC01:30
userX-Ron__hjabis hello01:31
userX-Ron__hello out how do i set on n90001:32
SpeedEvilSet what?01:32
userX-Ron__i have xchat on n900 how do i set mode01:33
*** jeverling has joined #maemo01:35
*** jeverling has quit IRC01:35
userX-Ron__ is there anyone there?01:36
*** jeverling has joined #maemo01:37
userX-Ron__explain?01:38
*** jeverling has quit IRC01:39
*** jeverling has joined #maemo01:40
userX-Ron__how do i set mode with xchat01:41
AndrewX192 /quote MODE USER +modes01:45
*** eijk_ has joined #maemo01:47
*** jeverling_ has joined #maemo01:48
*** eijk has quit IRC01:48
*** jeverling has quit IRC01:49
*** jabis has quit IRC01:49
*** userX-Ron__ has quit IRC01:50
*** kW_ has quit IRC01:51
*** jeverling has joined #maemo01:54
*** setanta has quit IRC01:55
*** jeverling_ has quit IRC01:56
*** jeverling has quit IRC01:59
*** florian has quit IRC02:01
*** jeverling has joined #maemo02:01
*** jeverling has quit IRC02:06
*** PeterWolf has joined #maemo02:06
*** Arkenoi has quit IRC02:07
*** eijk__ has joined #maemo02:10
*** eijk_ has quit IRC02:11
*** jeverling has joined #maemo02:15
*** jabis has joined #maemo02:17
*** Arkenoi has joined #maemo02:19
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo02:20
*** vivijim has joined #maemo02:22
*** valdyn has quit IRC02:25
*** jeverling has quit IRC02:25
*** jeverling has joined #maemo02:26
*** mitsutaka has joined #maemo02:27
*** spark666 has joined #maemo02:30
*** minde has quit IRC02:30
*** spark666 has left #maemo02:30
*** valdyn has joined #maemo02:31
*** zk8 has quit IRC02:33
*** rm_work has quit IRC02:37
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC02:51
*** penguinbait has quit IRC02:53
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo02:56
*** penguinbait has quit IRC02:56
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo02:56
*** eijk__ has quit IRC03:04
*** FIQ has quit IRC03:07
*** vivijim has quit IRC03:07
*** Rantwolf has quit IRC03:13
*** ArGGu^^ has quit IRC03:15
*** ArGGu^^ has joined #maemo03:16
*** musca has quit IRC03:32
*** musca has joined #maemo03:32
*** jluisn has joined #maemo03:44
*** jluisn has quit IRC03:50
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo04:01
*** jluisn has joined #maemo04:02
*** dos1 has quit IRC04:05
*** ferdna has joined #maemo04:06
*** |uen| has joined #maemo04:08
*** uen| has quit IRC04:12
*** plate is now known as dibdlk04:17
*** jluisn has quit IRC04:26
*** fredddd has joined #maemo04:30
*** fredddd has joined #maemo04:30
*** valdyn has quit IRC04:34
*** keithzg has quit IRC04:42
*** valdyn has joined #maemo04:45
*** penguinbait has quit IRC04:46
*** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo04:47
*** kimitake is now known as kimitake_idle04:47
*** anathaema has quit IRC04:47
*** hardaker has joined #maemo04:54
*** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo05:01
*** beford has quit IRC05:02
*** dvaske has joined #maemo05:07
*** ALoGeNo has quit IRC05:08
*** dangergrrl has joined #maemo05:08
*** beford has joined #maemo05:10
*** beford has quit IRC05:16
*** beford has joined #maemo05:18
*** anathaema has joined #maemo05:19
*** ALoGeNo has joined #maemo05:19
*** dangergrrl has quit IRC05:22
*** anathaema has quit IRC05:26
*** maybeWTF has joined #maemo05:30
*** maybeHere has quit IRC05:33
*** pcfe has quit IRC05:36
*** pcfe has joined #maemo05:37
*** pcfe has quit IRC05:37
*** pcfe has joined #maemo05:37
*** mavhc has quit IRC05:38
*** mavhc has joined #maemo05:46
*** radic has quit IRC05:47
*** kimitake_idle is now known as kimitake05:49
*** disco_stu has quit IRC05:54
*** disco_stu_droid has joined #maemo05:54
*** disco_stu_droid is now known as disco_stu05:55
*** radic has joined #maemo06:00
*** dockane has joined #maemo06:00
*** PeterWolf has quit IRC06:01
*** dockane_ has quit IRC06:03
*** PeterWolf has joined #maemo06:08
*** dangergrrl has joined #maemo06:08
*** dangergrrl has quit IRC06:20
*** dibdlk is now known as dubio06:22
*** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC06:28
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo06:47
*** Ex-Opesa has quit IRC07:03
*** onekenthomas has quit IRC07:03
*** sat2050 has quit IRC07:04
*** don_falcone has joined #maemo07:05
*** koo3 has quit IRC07:06
*** robbiethe1st has quit IRC07:07
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo07:07
*** dangergrrl has joined #maemo07:08
*** onekenthomas has joined #maemo07:13
*** rd has joined #maemo07:13
*** rd has quit IRC07:19
*** anathaema has joined #maemo07:31
*** ariana_ has joined #maemo07:33
*** dangergrrl has quit IRC07:34
*** sat2050 has left #maemo07:35
*** anathaema has quit IRC07:37
*** Roomerlol has joined #maemo07:41
*** beford has quit IRC07:50
*** Z3ROC00L has joined #maemo07:51
*** straind has quit IRC07:55
*** straind has joined #maemo07:55
*** ariana_ has quit IRC07:58
Z3ROC00Lol07:59
Z3ROC00Lf08:00
Z3ROC00Ld08:01
*** Z3ROC00L has quit IRC08:01
*** fredddd has quit IRC08:01
*** rcg has joined #maemo08:02
*** hardaker has quit IRC08:07
*** dangergrrl has joined #maemo08:08
*** beford has joined #maemo08:08
*** dafox has joined #maemo08:11
*** dangergrrl has quit IRC08:20
*** mesx has quit IRC08:20
*** alabala has joined #maemo08:33
*** PeterWolf has quit IRC08:34
*** dafox has quit IRC08:38
*** Ian-- has quit IRC08:40
*** dangergrrl has joined #maemo08:42
*** croppa has joined #maemo08:44
*** larsivi has quit IRC08:53
*** hylas has quit IRC08:57
*** sat20501 has joined #maemo09:02
*** aloril has quit IRC09:02
*** dvaske has quit IRC09:02
*** alabala has quit IRC09:15
*** croppa has quit IRC09:16
*** croppa has joined #maemo09:17
*** aloril has joined #maemo09:17
*** gn00b has quit IRC09:20
*** Ex-Opesa has joined #maemo09:23
*** croppa has quit IRC09:28
*** croppa has joined #maemo09:28
*** ferdna has quit IRC09:33
*** kimitake is now known as kimitake_idle09:33
*** croppa has quit IRC09:38
*** croppa has joined #maemo09:39
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo09:46
*** FIQ has joined #maemo09:47
*** croppa has quit IRC09:50
*** croppa has joined #maemo09:51
*** Gh0sty has quit IRC09:51
*** jpe has joined #maemo09:54
*** Gh0sty has joined #maemo09:55
*** Estel_ has quit IRC09:56
*** Rantwolf has joined #maemo09:59
*** norayr has joined #maemo10:00
*** totalizator has joined #maemo10:08
*** cyborg-one has quit IRC10:11
*** croppa has quit IRC10:13
*** croppa has joined #maemo10:13
*** RST38h has joined #maemo10:18
*** larsivi has joined #maemo10:18
*** jhb has joined #maemo10:18
RST38hMeanwhile: MegaUpload Accounted for a Quarter of All Corporate Traffic—More than Dropbox10:19
*** valdyn has quit IRC10:24
*** OkropNick has joined #maemo10:28
*** sasquatch has quit IRC10:29
*** sasquatch has joined #maemo10:29
*** croppa has quit IRC10:30
*** valdyn has joined #maemo10:31
*** croppa has joined #maemo10:31
*** geaaru has joined #maemo10:33
*** dafox has joined #maemo10:36
*** Gh0sty has quit IRC10:36
*** ArkanoiD_ has joined #maemo10:36
*** beford has quit IRC10:37
*** Gh0sty has joined #maemo10:38
*** Gh0sty has quit IRC10:43
*** calvaris has joined #maemo10:44
*** Gh0sty has joined #maemo10:44
*** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC10:47
*** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo10:47
auenf"Longest time between charges 6 days, 13:03"10:49
auenfbattery lasts a long time when theres no sim, and wifi is turned off10:49
DocScrutinizeron N900? sure10:50
DocScrutinizereven with WLAN it still usually manages to stay up these 6 days10:50
auenfmy n810 would probably have a better score than that too10:51
auenfwell, that *may* be with wifi on10:51
auenfi cant remember10:51
*** zz_gri is now known as gri10:52
*** Vanadis has quit IRC10:58
*** croppa has quit IRC11:01
*** croppa has joined #maemo11:01
jpinxn900 with wifi on and doing stuff lasts about 6 hours ;)11:02
*** edheldil has joined #maemo11:03
*** Z3ROC00L has joined #maemo11:05
*** Z3ROC00L has quit IRC11:06
DocScrutinizeryeah, with screen backlight on, and throwing all on CPU and DSP etc I could find for them to do, I almost can make it deplete battery in 6h. Maybe operate vibramotor too, but better keep 3G active and transmitting data all the time11:06
*** onekenthomas has quit IRC11:07
*** musca has quit IRC11:07
*** musca has joined #maemo11:07
*** musca has left #maemo11:11
dubiowith FM Radio, Maep, some light web and irssi going, i can proably kill it in 411:12
dubiobut yeah, screen off idling overnight on batt with just irssi, and it uses maybe 10% of battery11:13
dubioso like 5 days11:13
*** larsivi has quit IRC11:13
RST38h5-6 hours is what it takes N900 to suck the battery dry under high load, indeed11:16
RST38h12-18 hours of "normal" use, i.e. with messaging on, email checks, some calls and browsing with builtin browser11:17
RST38h2-4 days in offline mode11:17
*** arno0ob has joined #maemo11:17
*** KrayonWORK has quit IRC11:17
derfOr if you're unlucky like me, 1-2 hours under "normal" use, 8-12 hours in offline mode.11:18
*** Vanadis has joined #maemo11:19
*** net-split has joined #maemo11:23
*** andre__ has joined #maemo11:24
*** andre__ has quit IRC11:24
*** andre__ has joined #maemo11:24
*** larsivi has joined #maemo11:24
*** dafox has quit IRC11:25
RST38hmoo, derf! how do you manage that?11:29
derfRST38h: I wish I knew, so I could make it stop.11:29
RST38hreplacing battery does not help?11:29
derfThe "normal use" number used to be better, but the battery is a few years old now.11:29
derfBut it never lasted long.11:29
*** croppa has quit IRC11:29
derfCertainly never a full day.11:30
RST38hpowertop? BatteryGraph?11:30
*** croppa has joined #maemo11:30
derfI've been through powertop, it doesn't have any useful information.11:30
RST38hTry BatteryGraph, maybe it will tell something interesting11:30
* RST38h would just replace the battery first though, and then use BG11:31
derfMy suspicion is that it's because I don't have a SIM card in it.11:31
*** dafox has joined #maemo11:31
*** msanchez has joined #maemo11:31
RST38hNah, I had N900 SIM-less for weeks, no problems whatsoever11:31
derfSince one of my friends damaged her SIM card, and after that her N900 started draining its battery like mine.11:31
derfOkay, well, then I have no idea.11:31
RST38hN950 lives for longer than a week without SIM11:31
*** sat20501 has quit IRC11:34
*** ekze has quit IRC11:37
*** anathaema has joined #maemo11:37
*** ekze has joined #maemo11:37
*** thexception is now known as thexception|off11:37
*** dangergrrl has quit IRC11:37
*** joga has quit IRC11:38
*** joga has joined #maemo11:39
*** eMHa has quit IRC11:42
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo11:45
Estel_Hi maemo11:46
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo11:46
Estel_Could anyone point me to a method (probably, via init or rcs-late scripts) that would allow me to popup gui window of some program, and "pause" boot process, unless such GUI is closed?11:47
Estel_basically, I got encrypted partition (truecrypt) and moved things like /home/user/.osso-adbook or .rtcom-messages to it, then symlinked11:48
Estel_everything is ok, except for fact, that I need to kill addressbook or rtcom-call-ui after mounting partition, to make it notice changes.11:48
Estel_I got script in event.d that pop-ups mounting GUI window of truecrypt...11:49
Estel_yet, of course, before I write password, provide keyfiles etc, services are already up and running11:49
Estel_killing troublemaker bin's isn't bad, yet I'm searching for more elegant solution11:49
*** dafox has quit IRC11:50
Estel_last but not least, if such "delayed" boot proceeding (waiting with loading later hildon etc parts, before GUI is closded by either cancel or providing things and ok) isn't possible, I would like to set "killing" in the same event.d script that bring truecrypt window to mount partitions11:51
*** PSleggs has joined #maemo11:51
Estel_yet, again, I need to make at least "killings" to wait until gui is closed11:51
*** PSleggs is now known as vi_11:51
vi_yo estel.11:51
Estel_otherwise, it pops-up truerypt window, and instantly kill things before I mount11:52
vi_I see you are rocking an _ now11:52
Estel_hi vi_. nice to see You here, considering my question ;)11:52
*** murrayc has joined #maemo11:52
vi_what is the question?11:52
vi_Because I have one too.11:53
*** rcg has quit IRC11:53
vi_How do I know when data written to swap > swap size?11:53
Estel_could You pls backscroll? I just finished 7 liner question the moment before You joined...11:54
*** dos1 has joined #maemo11:54
*** jpe has quit IRC11:54
vi_I cannopt, I just joined.11:54
vi_slap it on pastebin11:55
vi_paste links11:55
vi_and titsd11:55
Estel_sorry, got phone, I'm back. roger & roger11:55
Estel_pasting this and answer to Your question11:55
Estel_http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-01-20.log.html#t2012-01-20T11:46:0211:56
Estel_as for total data written to swap, it's basically11:58
Estel_iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}'11:58
*** eijk has joined #maemo11:58
Estel_but You have to have ;) something to compare it with11:58
Estel_so11:58
Estel_simple script, as per shadowjk's11:58
Estel_where11:58
Estel_M=$(iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}')11:58
Estel_LAST=$(cat reswap.stat)11:59
Estel_D=$((M-LAST))11:59
Estel_and11:59
Estel_if [ $D -lt 600 ] ; then11:59
Estel_<reswap> else fi11:59
Estel_basically, it's not that fragmentation occurs when total data written to swap exceed total swap size12:00
*** florian has joined #maemo12:00
*** florian has quit IRC12:00
*** florian has joined #maemo12:00
Estel_due to wear-leveling etc, it may start earlier, but never later12:00
vi_good stuff estel, I may have an answer for your problem as well12:00
vi_brb12:01
Estel_shadowjk did some research for it, and most of the times it start to occur after 600 mb on 768 swap12:01
vi_brb coffee12:01
Estel_thanks, becoming all ears (with feets)12:01
vi_lol@polish humor.12:01
Estel_;) ears with feets is actually something more, see goodle - Tori Amos12:02
* Estel_ meant google, not goodle12:02
*** rd has joined #maemo12:05
Estel_brb12:06
*** Estel_ has quit IRC12:06
vi_ds12:13
vi_derp12:13
*** rcg has joined #maemo12:14
*** dafox has joined #maemo12:20
*** swc|666 has quit IRC12:21
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo12:21
*** gri is now known as zz_gri12:22
vi_Estel_:12:22
vi_Estel_: it turns out my boss actually expects me to do some work today :(12:23
*** dafox has quit IRC12:23
vi_Estel_: can you make a thread on it and pm me on TMO?12:23
vi_Estel_: So I find it later?12:23
Estel_I see, no problem. Tested some ideas that actually works, and ok I'll pm it12:23
Estel_as for swap, I forget one impoirtant thing12:24
Estel_told You to compare it with swap.stat12:24
vi_Estel_: I can tell you what you want to muck around with is a combination of event.d scripts and xsession.d12:24
Estel_but, as addition to things I.'ve written, before every enabling of swap in question, You must also12:24
vi_Estel_: the most obvious thing being, change the point where addressbook and conversations(whatever) are loaded12:24
Estel_iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}' >/root/reswap.stat12:25
vi_Estel_: I had figured that one out!12:25
Estel_ok, will try messing with it12:25
vi_Thank you anyway though.12:25
Estel_oh, nice :P12:25
Estel_well, for few months i was, accidentaly, comparing to /home/ iostat12:25
*** zap_ has joined #maemo12:26
Estel_until I figured out that it was mmcblk0p2 instead of mmcblk1p2 (in my case)12:26
vi_addressbook is started by (i think) xsession.d script. Simply set it to start later or, indeed set truecrypt to start earlier.12:26
Estel_have happy nice workday ;)12:26
vi_Estel_: If I am understanding your question.  Either way, make thread, I will look later.12:27
vi_BB12:27
vi_#/quit12:27
*** vi_ has quit IRC12:27
*** rd has quit IRC12:27
*** tanty has joined #maemo12:28
*** Estel_ has quit IRC12:28
*** eMHa has joined #maemo12:34
*** dafox has joined #maemo12:41
*** lizardo has joined #maemo12:45
*** dvaske has joined #maemo12:49
*** Ex-Opesa has quit IRC12:49
*** arno0ob has quit IRC12:54
*** arno0ob has joined #maemo12:55
*** Hurrian has joined #maemo12:56
*** dneary has quit IRC12:58
*** tanty has quit IRC12:59
*** RST38h has quit IRC12:59
*** dafox has quit IRC12:59
*** vortigaunt has quit IRC12:59
*** dafox has joined #maemo13:00
*** RST38h has joined #maemo13:05
RST38hIn an interview with Pocket-lint, Nokia CEO Stephen Elop announced that the word "Nokia" will soon show up on maps from Microsoft, including those on BlackBerry devices.13:17
*** Zahra has joined #maemo13:21
Hurriangoogle's been doing that for some time13:27
*** dafox has quit IRC13:27
*** dafox has joined #maemo13:29
*** don_falcone has quit IRC13:31
*** dafox has quit IRC13:33
*** dafox has joined #maemo13:33
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo13:35
*** penguinbait has quit IRC13:35
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo13:35
*** mardi has left #maemo13:36
*** liar has joined #maemo13:39
*** penguinbait has quit IRC13:39
*** vivijim has joined #maemo13:40
*** ychavan has joined #maemo13:47
*** norayr has quit IRC13:47
*** dvaske has quit IRC13:54
*** jonne has quit IRC13:58
*** jpe has joined #maemo14:02
*** tanty has joined #maemo14:02
*** Z3ROC00L has joined #maemo14:03
RST38hDoing what?14:04
Z3ROC00Lhey peeps im having a few issues with queenbeecon , can anybody help ... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1152827&postcount=131514:04
gulyRST38h: what does it means?14:05
*** mardi has joined #maemo14:05
SpeedEvilguly: It means that nokia sold the rights to use their map data - that they bought for several billion - to other people.14:06
RST38hSpeedEvil: And all they got is a sticker.14:07
*** net-split has quit IRC14:07
gulyok, got it14:07
*** etrunko has joined #maemo14:08
*** zk8 has joined #maemo14:08
*** andre__ has quit IRC14:13
*** jonne has joined #maemo14:15
*** machia has quit IRC14:15
*** machia has joined #maemo14:16
*** zk8 has quit IRC14:22
*** fuz_ has quit IRC14:22
*** dneary has joined #maemo14:23
*** dneary has joined #maemo14:23
*** fuz_ has joined #maemo14:28
*** t_s_o has quit IRC14:29
*** larsivi has quit IRC14:30
*** mesx has joined #maemo14:31
*** setanta has joined #maemo14:33
*** Z3ROC00L has quit IRC14:34
*** larsivi has joined #maemo14:35
*** scoobertron has joined #maemo14:38
*** norayr has joined #maemo14:42
*** fredddd has joined #maemo14:52
*** fredddd has quit IRC14:52
*** fredddd has joined #maemo14:52
*** chenca has joined #maemo14:55
*** kW_ has joined #maemo14:59
RST38hAwfully quiet her, isn't it? Where is everyone? Attending C# mobile development classes?15:00
*** lolcat` has joined #maemo15:01
lolcat`Hello15:01
lolcat`I am considering re-purchasing a N90015:01
lolcat`But the charging port is b0rked. Would that be a problem?15:01
haltdefknown issue with n900s I believe15:02
r00t|homeif you can handle a soldering-iron, not that much of a problem15:02
*** etrunko has quit IRC15:02
haltdefI'd be uncomfortable :P15:02
haltdefhow much are you getting it for?15:02
lolcat`The price is a bit steep though, 1800,-15:02
lolcat`NOK15:02
r00t|homehow much in euros?15:02
* haltdef converts to real money15:02
r00t|homeor usd...15:02
lolcat`1800/815:02
lolcat`303USD15:03
r00t|homelol15:03
haltdefhm, just under half of what mine cost new15:03
r00t|homedon't buy!15:03
lolcat`235 eur15:03
haltdefI'd go for it if it was in perfect working order, otherwise .. no :P15:03
r00t|homeyou can get a non-broken n900 on ebay for ~100eur15:03
lolcat`My last N900 cost something along the lines of 717.15:03
lolcat`eur15:03
r00t|homewith a bit of luck/patience15:03
r00t|homeso broken ones should be 60 max imho15:04
lolcat`r00t|home: Anything over 33USD is added 25% VAT + 14.5 EUR in fees15:04
haltdefmine was 540EUR or so, brand new when they hadn't been out long as well15:04
haltdefyou pay 25% VAT?15:04
lolcat`r00t|home: If she has the recipt I can probably argue to the shop this is a construction error15:04
*** arno0ob has quit IRC15:04
lolcat`haltdef: On electronics15:05
haltdefthat's rough15:05
haltdefand I moan about 20% in the uk15:05
lolcat`Hehe15:05
r00t|homelolcat`: huh?15:05
lolcat`Electronics isn't too expencive here, and the 5 year warranty by law is nice.15:05
haltdefit may have been at 15% when I bought mine for 540EUR, explains the difference15:05
lolcat`r00t|home: There is a 5 year warrant by law for everything electronic that is more expencive than 2000,- NOK so if she paid more than that, the shop will have three tries to fix it. Since this is a known error I'll probably get it for free. And if they fail twice I get the money (whatever she paid for it new).15:06
*** liar has quit IRC15:06
lolcat`If she paid something like 4-5000 for it, that would be an awesome deal, because Nokia sucks at fixing charging ports15:07
ShadowJKThe port isn't always possible to solder back on15:07
r00t|homelolcat`: heh15:07
ShadowJKbecause sometimes the port stays soldered on to the board, and the board breaks15:07
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo15:07
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo15:07
*** arno0ob has joined #maemo15:07
r00t|homeShadowJK: ofcourse... i was mostly thinking of using the pads under the battery15:07
lolcat`ShadowJK: But this is a known production error? I would be able to prove a plausible procudtion error15:08
lolcat`?15:08
lolcat`or+15:08
lolcat`I think I would win the case in consumer court15:09
ShadowJKlolcat`, it's the most common fault known. In a talk.maemo.org poll, 10% of respondents said their USB port fell off for no reason. 7.6% were having charging and/or usb issues, and suspected glitching port.15:10
r00t|homethe 5year warranty is .no law?15:10
ShadowJKSo that's like 17.6% of people participating in that poll having usb port problems15:10
*** liar has joined #maemo15:11
lolcat`r00t|home: yes15:11
SpeedEvil5 year, it may be law, doesn't matter.15:11
SpeedEvilThey won't give you a new n900.15:11
r00t|homebecause they don't have any ;)15:11
lolcat`SpeedEvil: No, they give me the money back after two repair faults.15:11
SpeedEvilah15:11
lolcat`So if I can play with a N900 for a few months untill the charger port fails again (it always does :() and then earn money on it15:11
lolcat`I feel that is a good deal15:12
SpeedEvilUntil prices go up due to that.15:12
lolcat`A N900 won't last 5 years, I am pretty sure of that.15:12
*** minde has joined #maemo15:12
lolcat`Has Nokia made an official statement about the charger port?15:13
*** etrunko has joined #maemo15:13
r00t|homelolcat`: but if you bought the device used knowing it was already broken, that would seem pretty weak in court...15:14
*** kW_ has quit IRC15:14
lolcat`r00t|home: Nope. When I buy a product  I know is covered by a warranty I can use it. I could just as easily ask the current ovner to take it to court, it will cost Nokia / the retailer the same amount15:15
*** khertan_ has quit IRC15:15
r00t|homei think the whole deal depends on the manufacturer's cooperation... and they aren't going to be cause they can't afford to, they would give you another new phone at best, and i don't think _actually_ going to could is worth the risk/hassle/investment15:16
lolcat`Depends what she bougth it for15:16
ShadowJKat one point some nokia care person on nokia conversations said it was a known fault or somethinga15:16
ShadowJKand should be covered by warranty15:16
lolcat`It is free to bring up a case for the consumer court15:16
lolcat`And I've always wanted to own a company in consumer court, but every time I tell them I will bring them to it they back off :/15:17
r00t|homelolcat`: well, WHY AREN'T YOU RICHT ALREADY THEN15:17
ShadowJKhttp://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Nokia-responds-to-reports-about-the-N900-micro-usb-port-getting/td-p/629019/highlight/false15:17
r00t|home*RICH15:17
lolcat`In Norway you only get the products value + some intrest on the time spent in court15:17
*** netkat has joined #maemo15:18
* RST38h sighs, /ignores, moos at ShadowJK15:18
ShadowJK?15:19
r00t|homelolcat`: well, just buy any broken n900 you can find, and then sue, sue sue...15:20
lolcat`And the hourely pay here is what 160NOK for unskilled labour, so I guess I will get a good hourely pay to complain for the phone. And if I am unlucky and the repair takes a long time I probably get to borrow some Android toy.15:20
lolcat`r00t|home: Hehe, if they have the receipt, and I don't think it has to be broken, isn't most of them affected?15:20
r00t|home<ShadowJK> So that's like 17.6% of people participating in that poll having usb port problems15:21
*** etrunko has quit IRC15:21
lolcat`17.6% knew at the time of the poll they where affected15:26
SpeedEvilAnd possibly all the people that had had a failed USB port were linked to that thread by someone15:26
r00t|homewell, i guess 100% of devices are going to be affected if you don't treat the port with some care15:27
SpeedEvilso it's overrepresented15:27
ShadowJKIt must be alot, because nokia care everywhere tells people that they ran out of spare parts for N90015:27
r00t|homehow about you buy a bunch of new n900s and do some experiementation to determine the forces it takes to break the connector, and _then_ sue nokia? ;)15:27
ShadowJKthere are no new N90015:28
r00t|homethat's the punchline, yes ;)15:28
*** etrunko has joined #maemo15:28
ShadowJKAnother issue is the sheer amount of force required to remove the microusb plug when new15:28
r00t|homethe plug, not the connector, mind you ;)15:29
ShadowJKya15:29
ShadowJKYou could get a large size full coca cola bottle, 2Litre or so, wrap the charger cable around it, plug it into your N900, and lift the bottle with the plug in the port, facing straight down15:30
ShadowJK:P15:30
SpeedEvilWhatever turns you on.15:30
SpeedEvil:)15:30
*** etrunko has quit IRC15:30
*** etrunko has joined #maemo15:30
ShadowJKI was in my car when I was trying to unplug phone from the nokia car charger, and I wasn't having much success. So I took a bottle out of the grocery shopping bag for a fun experiment :P15:31
r00t|homeShadowJK: i was exactly suggesting to go a little more scientific on that... ;)15:32
RST38hMeanwhile: Supreme Court rules public domain isn't permanent, says Congress can re-copyright works15:32
r00t|homezOMG15:32
SpeedEvilBarking mad.15:32
Corsacwell, it's a bit more complicated15:33
Corsacin this case, it was PD in the US but not outside15:33
*** vivijim has quit IRC15:38
*** mairas has joined #maemo15:39
*** dafox has quit IRC15:44
jaskaheh, i modded my microusb cables connectors to not have the "teeth" that lock it in even harder15:45
*** dafox has joined #maemo15:45
*** murrayc has quit IRC15:50
*** Xjs|moonshine has quit IRC15:51
*** dafox has quit IRC15:55
*** Zahra has quit IRC15:55
*** Openfree` has quit IRC15:57
*** dafox has joined #maemo15:57
*** Openfree` has joined #maemo15:58
*** Xjs|moonshine has joined #maemo15:59
*** kW_ has joined #maemo15:59
*** arno0ob has quit IRC16:03
RST38hNokia's ever-expanding friendship with Microsoft means that come 2015, the Windows Phone platform will overtake Apple's iOS as the world's second most-favoured operating system after Android16:03
RST38hhttp://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/20/microsoft_windows_phone_to_overtake_apple_ios_in_2015/   <== people who have never taken a class in probability theory should never be allowed to extrapolate16:04
*** valerius has joined #maemo16:05
*** khertan has joined #maemo16:07
*** larsivi has quit IRC16:07
*** liar has quit IRC16:09
*** RST38h has quit IRC16:09
*** hardaker has joined #maemo16:09
*** kW_ has quit IRC16:11
*** valerius has quit IRC16:12
*** bindi has joined #maemo16:13
bindihey16:13
bindii just got my n900 from service, what does it mean when i plug in the cord, it wont start?16:13
bindierrr16:13
bindirather, it has an orange led constantly on16:14
Hurrianit's charging16:14
Hurrianbut nolo's being retarded16:14
*** mairas has quit IRC16:14
Hurrianeither that, or it's charging from critically low battery16:14
haltdefneeds a certain battery level to boot doesn't it16:14
bindiyeah but usually charging is blinking16:14
Hurrianyup, twl chip is charging it by itself16:14
haltdefjust brought the n900 out of retirement?16:15
bindino, service, it was there for 2 weeks, was ready to pick up a week ago16:15
Hurrianit doesnt have enough battery to start up other hardware16:15
haltdefah right, I should lrn2read16:15
*** BCMM has joined #maemo16:15
Hurrianwait about 30 minutes16:15
bindii'll change to wall charger16:15
Hurrianthen unplug, plug it back in16:15
Hurrianbrb, gonna watch Eva16:16
bindinow it actually vibrated and has faint nokia logo16:16
bindiaaand blinking led16:17
bindigood16:17
haltdefyea, panic over16:17
haltdefvery strange, sent back a router to an ebay seller because it was the wrong model, seller sent the correct model, all was fine .. wrong model was just returned to me because he didn't collect it from his local post office after they couldn't deliver16:18
haltdefhe even paid for return postage as it was his mistake16:18
Hurrianenjoy your new routers, then16:19
haltdefpositive feedback exchanged and return case resolved but I've sent him a message anyway, will send it back again but not at my expense :P16:20
haltdefmight just say forget it, router was only £3016:21
haltdefordered a wnr3500l and he sent a wnr3500 v2, worse spec16:21
bindiare you fkn kidding me16:24
bindithe screen has got err... junk behind the screen16:24
haltdefack16:24
bindithey changed the lcd, it had those 2 white spots that many other do too, at the exact same spot16:24
bindithey were hesitant to change it in the first place...16:24
*** arno0ob has joined #maemo16:25
haltdefdead pixels?16:25
*** gn00b has joined #maemo16:25
bindinope16:26
*** ychavan has quit IRC16:26
bindionly visible on bright background16:27
bindihttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=955738&postcount=17016:27
gulyanyone here using backupmenu with ext2/3 on mydocs?16:27
r00t|homeuneven backlight?16:27
bindihttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=956232&postcount=17116:28
haltdefmine's always had a bright spot16:28
haltdefnot that bad though, and only one :P16:28
*** norayr has quit IRC16:30
*** arno0ob has quit IRC16:31
*** ArkanoiD_ has quit IRC16:33
*** kW_ has joined #maemo16:34
*** arno0ob has joined #maemo16:34
*** Hurrian has quit IRC16:45
ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/20/microsoft_windows_phone_to_overtake_apple_ios_in_2015/ <-- "Windows Phone to overtake iOS in 2015"16:51
haltdefwishful thinking16:52
*** [XeN] has joined #maemo16:53
*** [XeN] has quit IRC16:55
*** sat2050 has left #maemo17:00
r00t|homehard to decide which is better/worse17:00
*** hylas has joined #maemo17:00
*** hylas has joined #maemo17:00
*** lxp1 has joined #maemo17:01
*** lxp has quit IRC17:04
*** BCMM has quit IRC17:07
*** zap_ has quit IRC17:13
*** rm_work has joined #maemo17:16
*** rm_work has quit IRC17:16
*** rm_work has joined #maemo17:16
*** zk8 has joined #maemo17:16
*** muelli has joined #maemo17:17
*** lizardo has quit IRC17:26
*** lizardo has joined #maemo17:28
*** dafox__ has joined #maemo17:29
*** dafox has quit IRC17:30
khertan Harmattan17:37
khertan armv7el17:37
khertansucceeded <<< yOUHOU17:37
khertan:)17:37
*** net-split has joined #maemo17:37
*** dafox__ is now known as dafox17:40
Maceris there an easy way to get a range of a domain?17:43
Macerie: the IPs they have in their range for teh whole domain?17:43
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo17:46
r00t|homeyou can't get a list of names that point to an ip, as there could be any number of them, other than by querying every nameserver in existance17:47
muellierm. what Macer?17:47
Macerhm. i thought there was a simple way to get the range used by a domain17:47
r00t|homeother than maybe some (likely non-free commersion) service maintaining a database of such mappings17:47
r00t|homeMacer: you can look up some host in the domain, and then the range it's IP is from... for a company, the other IPs will likely be in the same range (the company's network)17:48
r00t|home$ host maemo.org17:49
r00t|homemaemo.org has address 80.248.164.25017:49
r00t|home$ whois 80.248.164.25017:49
r00t|homeinetnum:        80.248.164.224 - 80.248.164.25517:49
r00t|homenetname:        FI-BILIA17:49
r00t|homedescr:          Logica Finland Oy / Datacentre services17:49
*** Vanadis has quit IRC17:49
*** ced117 has joined #maemo17:49
Macernice17:50
Macerthanks17:50
r00t|homeso all we know now is that the server maemo.org points to is hosted at logica finland, which owns 80.248.164.224 - 80.248.164.25517:51
r00t|homenote that any subdomain might be hosted at a completely different network17:51
ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/20/supremes_copyright/ <-- infinite copyright here we come17:51
r00t|homebugs.maemo.org has address 80.248.164.252   <-- same network17:52
*** zk8 has quit IRC17:54
*** vivijim has joined #maemo18:00
r00t|homeMacer: talk.maemo.org is on a completely different network, for example. (i guess the forum is bought as a service from another company)18:01
*** zz_gri is now known as gri18:05
*** dneary_ has joined #maemo18:06
*** dneary_ has joined #maemo18:06
*** Timmo_ has joined #maemo18:07
*** dneary has quit IRC18:08
*** liar has joined #maemo18:10
*** lizardo has quit IRC18:11
*** num has joined #maemo18:20
*** gri is now known as zz_gri18:23
*** dotblank has quit IRC18:23
*** scoobertron has quit IRC18:34
*** liar has quit IRC18:43
*** ronan22 has quit IRC18:48
*** lizardo has joined #maemo18:54
*** divan has quit IRC18:54
*** zz_gri is now known as gri19:03
*** fuz_ has quit IRC19:03
*** dafox has quit IRC19:08
*** fuz_ has joined #maemo19:08
*** arno0ob has quit IRC19:09
*** arno0ob has joined #maemo19:09
*** BCMM has joined #maemo19:10
*** minde has quit IRC19:13
*** rcg has quit IRC19:14
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo19:16
*** AIN2 has joined #maemo19:16
*** penguinbait has quit IRC19:17
*** setanta has quit IRC19:17
*** timeless has quit IRC19:20
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo19:22
*** penguinbait has quit IRC19:22
*** penguinbait has joined #maemo19:22
*** Zahra has joined #maemo19:22
*** Zahra has quit IRC19:22
*** Zahra has joined #maemo19:22
*** tanty has quit IRC19:32
*** Timmo_ has quit IRC19:37
*** Sc0rpius has quit IRC19:38
*** arno0ob has quit IRC19:38
*** |uen| is now known as uen19:41
*** minde has joined #maemo19:41
*** jhb has quit IRC19:42
*** netkat has quit IRC19:42
*** mase76 has joined #maemo19:44
*** florian has quit IRC19:44
*** lukasz_gut_ has quit IRC19:46
*** beford has joined #maemo19:48
*** Sc0rpius has joined #maemo19:50
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC19:51
*** timeless has joined #maemo19:53
*** timeless has joined #maemo19:53
*** gri is now known as zz_gri19:54
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo19:56
*** mitsutaka has quit IRC19:56
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo19:59
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC20:07
*** Sazpaimon has quit IRC20:08
*** woyna has joined #maemo20:11
*** woyna has left #maemo20:11
*** Vanadis has joined #maemo20:14
*** jhb has joined #maemo20:18
*** ArGGu^^ has quit IRC20:21
*** ArGGu^^ has joined #maemo20:26
*** jhb has quit IRC20:29
*** jhb has joined #maemo20:29
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo20:32
*** geaaru has quit IRC20:33
*** smhar has joined #maemo20:38
*** eMHa has quit IRC20:38
*** scoobertron has joined #maemo20:41
*** Vanadis has quit IRC20:42
*** Vanadis has joined #maemo20:43
*** mirsal_ has joined #maemo20:46
*** msanchez has quit IRC20:48
*** Vanadis has quit IRC20:49
*** Vanadis has joined #maemo20:50
*** jhb has quit IRC20:53
*** valerius has joined #maemo20:54
*** vivijim has quit IRC20:55
*** Zahra has quit IRC20:56
*** ferdna has joined #maemo20:57
*** smhar_ has joined #maemo20:57
*** smhar has quit IRC20:58
*** shpaq has quit IRC21:00
*** mase76 has quit IRC21:01
*** eMHa has joined #maemo21:02
*** smhar_ is now known as smhar21:12
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC21:14
*** larsivi has joined #maemo21:15
*** sq-one has joined #maemo21:15
*** jas4711 has quit IRC21:16
*** florian has joined #maemo21:20
*** florian has joined #maemo21:20
*** Z3ROC00L has joined #maemo21:22
*** retro|cz has quit IRC21:23
Z3ROC00Lhey peeps im having a few issues with queenbeecon , can anybody help ... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1152827&postcount=131521:23
*** trumee has quit IRC21:29
DocScrutinizer51~dns talk.maemo.org21:32
infobottalk.maemo.org is 74.86.202.24721:32
DocScrutinizer51~dns talk.maemo.org21:33
infobottalk.maemo.org is 74.86.202.24721:33
*** rd has joined #maemo21:34
*** num is now known as dotblank21:36
*** scoobertron has quit IRC21:37
*** Z3ROC00L has quit IRC21:39
*** valerius has quit IRC21:44
DocScrutinizerwow, amazing lags on 2G, I've sent 2nd ~dns before first answer reached me21:45
*** AIN2 has quit IRC21:46
*** calvaris has quit IRC21:47
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo21:47
*** thomasjfox has joined #maemo21:53
*** trumee has joined #maemo21:55
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC21:56
*** etrunko has quit IRC21:56
*** rd has quit IRC21:56
*** scoobertron has joined #maemo21:57
*** penguinbait has quit IRC21:59
*** dneary_ has quit IRC21:59
*** kW_ has quit IRC22:01
*** jargon- has quit IRC22:03
*** mk8 has joined #maemo22:07
*** Flipi|BNC has quit IRC22:07
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo22:10
*** Flipi|BNC has joined #maemo22:12
*** dafox has joined #maemo22:12
*** dafox has quit IRC22:12
*** dafox has joined #maemo22:12
*** retro|cz has quit IRC22:13
*** philheaton has joined #maemo22:17
*** thomasjfox has quit IRC22:17
*** scoobertron has quit IRC22:18
*** philheaton has quit IRC22:19
*** z4chh has joined #maemo22:20
*** philheaton has joined #maemo22:21
*** thomasjfox has joined #maemo22:22
*** onekenthomas has joined #maemo22:23
*** philheaton has quit IRC22:25
*** AIN2 has joined #maemo22:27
*** mirsal_ has quit IRC22:27
*** mirsal_ has joined #maemo22:28
*** mirsal_ has joined #maemo22:28
*** trumee has quit IRC22:30
*** philheaton has joined #maemo22:31
*** AIN2 has quit IRC22:31
*** philheaton has quit IRC22:32
*** AIN2 has joined #maemo22:32
*** dubio has quit IRC22:33
*** valerius has joined #maemo22:34
jonnedoes anyone use SMSCON's remote server option?22:39
*** mase76 has joined #maemo22:39
jonneI'm not entirely sure if it's working the way it should22:40
*** plate has joined #maemo22:40
*** kW_ has joined #maemo22:40
jonnei see it accessing my server in the logs, reading the command, but i don't get the e-mail it's supposed to send22:41
jonneexcept after a reboot22:41
*** mc_teo has joined #maemo22:42
*** mc_teo has joined #maemo22:42
*** trumee has joined #maemo22:45
*** kerio is now known as ais52322:46
*** ais523 is now known as kerio22:46
*** mirsal_ has quit IRC22:47
*** kerio is now known as ais52322:48
*** ais523 is now known as kerio22:48
*** RST38h has joined #maemo22:49
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC22:50
* RST38h moos22:58
*** rd has joined #maemo22:58
*** mookie has joined #maemo22:59
*** mesx has quit IRC23:02
*** lizardo has quit IRC23:04
*** valerius has quit IRC23:12
*** rm_work has quit IRC23:13
*** norayr has joined #maemo23:14
*** trumee has quit IRC23:16
*** trumee has joined #maemo23:16
*** rd has quit IRC23:22
*** APTX has quit IRC23:23
*** rd has joined #maemo23:27
*** _federico3 has joined #maemo23:29
*** trbs has joined #maemo23:30
*** mase76 has quit IRC23:31
*** perlite_ has joined #maemo23:32
*** npm_ is now known as npm23:34
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo23:34
*** perlite has quit IRC23:34
*** perlite_ is now known as perlite23:34
*** rcg has joined #maemo23:39
*** onekenthomas has quit IRC23:44
*** scoobertron has joined #maemo23:44
*** koo4 has quit IRC23:47
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC23:47
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo23:48
*** valerius has joined #maemo23:51
*** APTX has joined #maemo23:53
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC23:57
*** gn00b has quit IRC23:59

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!