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userX-Ron__ | hjabis hello | 01:31 |
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userX-Ron__ | hello out how do i set on n900 | 01:32 |
SpeedEvil | Set what? | 01:32 |
userX-Ron__ | i have xchat on n900 how do i set mode | 01:33 |
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userX-Ron__ | is there anyone there? | 01:36 |
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userX-Ron__ | explain? | 01:38 |
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userX-Ron__ | how do i set mode with xchat | 01:41 |
AndrewX192 | /quote MODE USER +modes | 01:45 |
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Z3ROC00L | ol | 07:59 |
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RST38h | Meanwhile: MegaUpload Accounted for a Quarter of All Corporate Traffic—More than Dropbox | 10:19 |
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auenf | "Longest time between charges 6 days, 13:03" | 10:49 |
auenf | battery lasts a long time when theres no sim, and wifi is turned off | 10:49 |
DocScrutinizer | on N900? sure | 10:50 |
DocScrutinizer | even with WLAN it still usually manages to stay up these 6 days | 10:50 |
auenf | my n810 would probably have a better score than that too | 10:51 |
auenf | well, that *may* be with wifi on | 10:51 |
auenf | i cant remember | 10:51 |
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jpinx | n900 with wifi on and doing stuff lasts about 6 hours ;) | 11:02 |
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DocScrutinizer | yeah, with screen backlight on, and throwing all on CPU and DSP etc I could find for them to do, I almost can make it deplete battery in 6h. Maybe operate vibramotor too, but better keep 3G active and transmitting data all the time | 11:06 |
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dubio | with FM Radio, Maep, some light web and irssi going, i can proably kill it in 4 | 11:12 |
dubio | but yeah, screen off idling overnight on batt with just irssi, and it uses maybe 10% of battery | 11:13 |
dubio | so like 5 days | 11:13 |
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RST38h | 5-6 hours is what it takes N900 to suck the battery dry under high load, indeed | 11:16 |
RST38h | 12-18 hours of "normal" use, i.e. with messaging on, email checks, some calls and browsing with builtin browser | 11:17 |
RST38h | 2-4 days in offline mode | 11:17 |
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derf | Or if you're unlucky like me, 1-2 hours under "normal" use, 8-12 hours in offline mode. | 11:18 |
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RST38h | moo, derf! how do you manage that? | 11:29 |
derf | RST38h: I wish I knew, so I could make it stop. | 11:29 |
RST38h | replacing battery does not help? | 11:29 |
derf | The "normal use" number used to be better, but the battery is a few years old now. | 11:29 |
derf | But it never lasted long. | 11:29 |
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derf | Certainly never a full day. | 11:30 |
RST38h | powertop? BatteryGraph? | 11:30 |
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derf | I've been through powertop, it doesn't have any useful information. | 11:30 |
RST38h | Try BatteryGraph, maybe it will tell something interesting | 11:30 |
* RST38h would just replace the battery first though, and then use BG | 11:31 | |
derf | My suspicion is that it's because I don't have a SIM card in it. | 11:31 |
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RST38h | Nah, I had N900 SIM-less for weeks, no problems whatsoever | 11:31 |
derf | Since one of my friends damaged her SIM card, and after that her N900 started draining its battery like mine. | 11:31 |
derf | Okay, well, then I have no idea. | 11:31 |
RST38h | N950 lives for longer than a week without SIM | 11:31 |
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Estel_ | Hi maemo | 11:46 |
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Estel_ | Could anyone point me to a method (probably, via init or rcs-late scripts) that would allow me to popup gui window of some program, and "pause" boot process, unless such GUI is closed? | 11:47 |
Estel_ | basically, I got encrypted partition (truecrypt) and moved things like /home/user/.osso-adbook or .rtcom-messages to it, then symlinked | 11:48 |
Estel_ | everything is ok, except for fact, that I need to kill addressbook or rtcom-call-ui after mounting partition, to make it notice changes. | 11:48 |
Estel_ | I got script in event.d that pop-ups mounting GUI window of truecrypt... | 11:49 |
Estel_ | yet, of course, before I write password, provide keyfiles etc, services are already up and running | 11:49 |
Estel_ | killing troublemaker bin's isn't bad, yet I'm searching for more elegant solution | 11:49 |
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Estel_ | last but not least, if such "delayed" boot proceeding (waiting with loading later hildon etc parts, before GUI is closded by either cancel or providing things and ok) isn't possible, I would like to set "killing" in the same event.d script that bring truecrypt window to mount partitions | 11:51 |
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Estel_ | yet, again, I need to make at least "killings" to wait until gui is closed | 11:51 |
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vi_ | yo estel. | 11:51 |
Estel_ | otherwise, it pops-up truerypt window, and instantly kill things before I mount | 11:52 |
vi_ | I see you are rocking an _ now | 11:52 |
Estel_ | hi vi_. nice to see You here, considering my question ;) | 11:52 |
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vi_ | what is the question? | 11:52 |
vi_ | Because I have one too. | 11:53 |
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vi_ | How do I know when data written to swap > swap size? | 11:53 |
Estel_ | could You pls backscroll? I just finished 7 liner question the moment before You joined... | 11:54 |
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vi_ | I cannopt, I just joined. | 11:54 |
vi_ | slap it on pastebin | 11:55 |
vi_ | paste links | 11:55 |
vi_ | and titsd | 11:55 |
Estel_ | sorry, got phone, I'm back. roger & roger | 11:55 |
Estel_ | pasting this and answer to Your question | 11:55 |
Estel_ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-01-20.log.html#t2012-01-20T11:46:02 | 11:56 |
Estel_ | as for total data written to swap, it's basically | 11:58 |
Estel_ | iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}' | 11:58 |
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Estel_ | but You have to have ;) something to compare it with | 11:58 |
Estel_ | so | 11:58 |
Estel_ | simple script, as per shadowjk's | 11:58 |
Estel_ | where | 11:58 |
Estel_ | M=$(iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}') | 11:58 |
Estel_ | LAST=$(cat reswap.stat) | 11:59 |
Estel_ | D=$((M-LAST)) | 11:59 |
Estel_ | and | 11:59 |
Estel_ | if [ $D -lt 600 ] ; then | 11:59 |
Estel_ | <reswap> else fi | 11:59 |
Estel_ | basically, it's not that fragmentation occurs when total data written to swap exceed total swap size | 12:00 |
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Estel_ | due to wear-leveling etc, it may start earlier, but never later | 12:00 |
vi_ | good stuff estel, I may have an answer for your problem as well | 12:00 |
vi_ | brb | 12:01 |
Estel_ | shadowjk did some research for it, and most of the times it start to occur after 600 mb on 768 swap | 12:01 |
vi_ | brb coffee | 12:01 |
Estel_ | thanks, becoming all ears (with feets) | 12:01 |
vi_ | lol@polish humor. | 12:01 |
Estel_ | ;) ears with feets is actually something more, see goodle - Tori Amos | 12:02 |
* Estel_ meant google, not goodle | 12:02 | |
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Estel_ | brb | 12:06 |
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vi_ | ds | 12:13 |
vi_ | derp | 12:13 |
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vi_ | Estel_: | 12:22 |
vi_ | Estel_: it turns out my boss actually expects me to do some work today :( | 12:23 |
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vi_ | Estel_: can you make a thread on it and pm me on TMO? | 12:23 |
vi_ | Estel_: So I find it later? | 12:23 |
Estel_ | I see, no problem. Tested some ideas that actually works, and ok I'll pm it | 12:23 |
Estel_ | as for swap, I forget one impoirtant thing | 12:24 |
Estel_ | told You to compare it with swap.stat | 12:24 |
vi_ | Estel_: I can tell you what you want to muck around with is a combination of event.d scripts and xsession.d | 12:24 |
Estel_ | but, as addition to things I.'ve written, before every enabling of swap in question, You must also | 12:24 |
vi_ | Estel_: the most obvious thing being, change the point where addressbook and conversations(whatever) are loaded | 12:24 |
Estel_ | iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}' >/root/reswap.stat | 12:25 |
vi_ | Estel_: I had figured that one out! | 12:25 |
Estel_ | ok, will try messing with it | 12:25 |
vi_ | Thank you anyway though. | 12:25 |
Estel_ | oh, nice :P | 12:25 |
Estel_ | well, for few months i was, accidentaly, comparing to /home/ iostat | 12:25 |
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Estel_ | until I figured out that it was mmcblk0p2 instead of mmcblk1p2 (in my case) | 12:26 |
vi_ | addressbook is started by (i think) xsession.d script. Simply set it to start later or, indeed set truecrypt to start earlier. | 12:26 |
Estel_ | have happy nice workday ;) | 12:26 |
vi_ | Estel_: If I am understanding your question. Either way, make thread, I will look later. | 12:27 |
vi_ | BB | 12:27 |
vi_ | #/quit | 12:27 |
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RST38h | In an interview with Pocket-lint, Nokia CEO Stephen Elop announced that the word "Nokia" will soon show up on maps from Microsoft, including those on BlackBerry devices. | 13:17 |
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Hurrian | google's been doing that for some time | 13:27 |
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RST38h | Doing what? | 14:04 |
Z3ROC00L | hey peeps im having a few issues with queenbeecon , can anybody help ... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1152827&postcount=1315 | 14:04 |
guly | RST38h: what does it means? | 14:05 |
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SpeedEvil | guly: It means that nokia sold the rights to use their map data - that they bought for several billion - to other people. | 14:06 |
RST38h | SpeedEvil: And all they got is a sticker. | 14:07 |
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guly | ok, got it | 14:07 |
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RST38h | Awfully quiet her, isn't it? Where is everyone? Attending C# mobile development classes? | 15:00 |
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lolcat` | Hello | 15:01 |
lolcat` | I am considering re-purchasing a N900 | 15:01 |
lolcat` | But the charging port is b0rked. Would that be a problem? | 15:01 |
haltdef | known issue with n900s I believe | 15:02 |
r00t|home | if you can handle a soldering-iron, not that much of a problem | 15:02 |
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haltdef | I'd be uncomfortable :P | 15:02 |
haltdef | how much are you getting it for? | 15:02 |
lolcat` | The price is a bit steep though, 1800,- | 15:02 |
lolcat` | NOK | 15:02 |
r00t|home | how much in euros? | 15:02 |
* haltdef converts to real money | 15:02 | |
r00t|home | or usd... | 15:02 |
lolcat` | 1800/8 | 15:02 |
lolcat` | 303USD | 15:03 |
r00t|home | lol | 15:03 |
haltdef | hm, just under half of what mine cost new | 15:03 |
r00t|home | don't buy! | 15:03 |
lolcat` | 235 eur | 15:03 |
haltdef | I'd go for it if it was in perfect working order, otherwise .. no :P | 15:03 |
r00t|home | you can get a non-broken n900 on ebay for ~100eur | 15:03 |
lolcat` | My last N900 cost something along the lines of 717. | 15:03 |
lolcat` | eur | 15:03 |
r00t|home | with a bit of luck/patience | 15:03 |
r00t|home | so broken ones should be 60 max imho | 15:04 |
lolcat` | r00t|home: Anything over 33USD is added 25% VAT + 14.5 EUR in fees | 15:04 |
haltdef | mine was 540EUR or so, brand new when they hadn't been out long as well | 15:04 |
haltdef | you pay 25% VAT? | 15:04 |
lolcat` | r00t|home: If she has the recipt I can probably argue to the shop this is a construction error | 15:04 |
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lolcat` | haltdef: On electronics | 15:05 |
haltdef | that's rough | 15:05 |
haltdef | and I moan about 20% in the uk | 15:05 |
lolcat` | Hehe | 15:05 |
r00t|home | lolcat`: huh? | 15:05 |
lolcat` | Electronics isn't too expencive here, and the 5 year warranty by law is nice. | 15:05 |
haltdef | it may have been at 15% when I bought mine for 540EUR, explains the difference | 15:05 |
lolcat` | r00t|home: There is a 5 year warrant by law for everything electronic that is more expencive than 2000,- NOK so if she paid more than that, the shop will have three tries to fix it. Since this is a known error I'll probably get it for free. And if they fail twice I get the money (whatever she paid for it new). | 15:06 |
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lolcat` | If she paid something like 4-5000 for it, that would be an awesome deal, because Nokia sucks at fixing charging ports | 15:07 |
ShadowJK | The port isn't always possible to solder back on | 15:07 |
r00t|home | lolcat`: heh | 15:07 |
ShadowJK | because sometimes the port stays soldered on to the board, and the board breaks | 15:07 |
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r00t|home | ShadowJK: ofcourse... i was mostly thinking of using the pads under the battery | 15:07 |
lolcat` | ShadowJK: But this is a known production error? I would be able to prove a plausible procudtion error | 15:08 |
lolcat` | ? | 15:08 |
lolcat` | or+ | 15:08 |
lolcat` | I think I would win the case in consumer court | 15:09 |
ShadowJK | lolcat`, it's the most common fault known. In a talk.maemo.org poll, 10% of respondents said their USB port fell off for no reason. 7.6% were having charging and/or usb issues, and suspected glitching port. | 15:10 |
r00t|home | the 5year warranty is .no law? | 15:10 |
ShadowJK | So that's like 17.6% of people participating in that poll having usb port problems | 15:10 |
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lolcat` | r00t|home: yes | 15:11 |
SpeedEvil | 5 year, it may be law, doesn't matter. | 15:11 |
SpeedEvil | They won't give you a new n900. | 15:11 |
r00t|home | because they don't have any ;) | 15:11 |
lolcat` | SpeedEvil: No, they give me the money back after two repair faults. | 15:11 |
SpeedEvil | ah | 15:11 |
lolcat` | So if I can play with a N900 for a few months untill the charger port fails again (it always does :() and then earn money on it | 15:11 |
lolcat` | I feel that is a good deal | 15:12 |
SpeedEvil | Until prices go up due to that. | 15:12 |
lolcat` | A N900 won't last 5 years, I am pretty sure of that. | 15:12 |
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lolcat` | Has Nokia made an official statement about the charger port? | 15:13 |
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r00t|home | lolcat`: but if you bought the device used knowing it was already broken, that would seem pretty weak in court... | 15:14 |
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lolcat` | r00t|home: Nope. When I buy a product I know is covered by a warranty I can use it. I could just as easily ask the current ovner to take it to court, it will cost Nokia / the retailer the same amount | 15:15 |
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r00t|home | i think the whole deal depends on the manufacturer's cooperation... and they aren't going to be cause they can't afford to, they would give you another new phone at best, and i don't think _actually_ going to could is worth the risk/hassle/investment | 15:16 |
lolcat` | Depends what she bougth it for | 15:16 |
ShadowJK | at one point some nokia care person on nokia conversations said it was a known fault or somethinga | 15:16 |
ShadowJK | and should be covered by warranty | 15:16 |
lolcat` | It is free to bring up a case for the consumer court | 15:16 |
lolcat` | And I've always wanted to own a company in consumer court, but every time I tell them I will bring them to it they back off :/ | 15:17 |
r00t|home | lolcat`: well, WHY AREN'T YOU RICHT ALREADY THEN | 15:17 |
ShadowJK | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Nokia-responds-to-reports-about-the-N900-micro-usb-port-getting/td-p/629019/highlight/false | 15:17 |
r00t|home | *RICH | 15:17 |
lolcat` | In Norway you only get the products value + some intrest on the time spent in court | 15:17 |
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ShadowJK | ? | 15:19 |
r00t|home | lolcat`: well, just buy any broken n900 you can find, and then sue, sue sue... | 15:20 |
lolcat` | And the hourely pay here is what 160NOK for unskilled labour, so I guess I will get a good hourely pay to complain for the phone. And if I am unlucky and the repair takes a long time I probably get to borrow some Android toy. | 15:20 |
lolcat` | r00t|home: Hehe, if they have the receipt, and I don't think it has to be broken, isn't most of them affected? | 15:20 |
r00t|home | <ShadowJK> So that's like 17.6% of people participating in that poll having usb port problems | 15:21 |
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lolcat` | 17.6% knew at the time of the poll they where affected | 15:26 |
SpeedEvil | And possibly all the people that had had a failed USB port were linked to that thread by someone | 15:26 |
r00t|home | well, i guess 100% of devices are going to be affected if you don't treat the port with some care | 15:27 |
SpeedEvil | so it's overrepresented | 15:27 |
ShadowJK | It must be alot, because nokia care everywhere tells people that they ran out of spare parts for N900 | 15:27 |
r00t|home | how about you buy a bunch of new n900s and do some experiementation to determine the forces it takes to break the connector, and _then_ sue nokia? ;) | 15:27 |
ShadowJK | there are no new N900 | 15:28 |
r00t|home | that's the punchline, yes ;) | 15:28 |
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ShadowJK | Another issue is the sheer amount of force required to remove the microusb plug when new | 15:28 |
r00t|home | the plug, not the connector, mind you ;) | 15:29 |
ShadowJK | ya | 15:29 |
ShadowJK | You could get a large size full coca cola bottle, 2Litre or so, wrap the charger cable around it, plug it into your N900, and lift the bottle with the plug in the port, facing straight down | 15:30 |
ShadowJK | :P | 15:30 |
SpeedEvil | Whatever turns you on. | 15:30 |
SpeedEvil | :) | 15:30 |
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ShadowJK | I was in my car when I was trying to unplug phone from the nokia car charger, and I wasn't having much success. So I took a bottle out of the grocery shopping bag for a fun experiment :P | 15:31 |
r00t|home | ShadowJK: i was exactly suggesting to go a little more scientific on that... ;) | 15:32 |
RST38h | Meanwhile: Supreme Court rules public domain isn't permanent, says Congress can re-copyright works | 15:32 |
r00t|home | zOMG | 15:32 |
SpeedEvil | Barking mad. | 15:32 |
Corsac | well, it's a bit more complicated | 15:33 |
Corsac | in this case, it was PD in the US but not outside | 15:33 |
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jaska | heh, i modded my microusb cables connectors to not have the "teeth" that lock it in even harder | 15:45 |
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RST38h | Nokia's ever-expanding friendship with Microsoft means that come 2015, the Windows Phone platform will overtake Apple's iOS as the world's second most-favoured operating system after Android | 16:03 |
RST38h | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/20/microsoft_windows_phone_to_overtake_apple_ios_in_2015/ <== people who have never taken a class in probability theory should never be allowed to extrapolate | 16:04 |
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bindi | hey | 16:13 |
bindi | i just got my n900 from service, what does it mean when i plug in the cord, it wont start? | 16:13 |
bindi | errr | 16:13 |
bindi | rather, it has an orange led constantly on | 16:14 |
Hurrian | it's charging | 16:14 |
Hurrian | but nolo's being retarded | 16:14 |
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Hurrian | either that, or it's charging from critically low battery | 16:14 |
haltdef | needs a certain battery level to boot doesn't it | 16:14 |
bindi | yeah but usually charging is blinking | 16:14 |
Hurrian | yup, twl chip is charging it by itself | 16:14 |
haltdef | just brought the n900 out of retirement? | 16:15 |
bindi | no, service, it was there for 2 weeks, was ready to pick up a week ago | 16:15 |
Hurrian | it doesnt have enough battery to start up other hardware | 16:15 |
haltdef | ah right, I should lrn2read | 16:15 |
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Hurrian | wait about 30 minutes | 16:15 |
bindi | i'll change to wall charger | 16:15 |
Hurrian | then unplug, plug it back in | 16:15 |
Hurrian | brb, gonna watch Eva | 16:16 |
bindi | now it actually vibrated and has faint nokia logo | 16:16 |
bindi | aaand blinking led | 16:17 |
bindi | good | 16:17 |
haltdef | yea, panic over | 16:17 |
haltdef | very strange, sent back a router to an ebay seller because it was the wrong model, seller sent the correct model, all was fine .. wrong model was just returned to me because he didn't collect it from his local post office after they couldn't deliver | 16:18 |
haltdef | he even paid for return postage as it was his mistake | 16:18 |
Hurrian | enjoy your new routers, then | 16:19 |
haltdef | positive feedback exchanged and return case resolved but I've sent him a message anyway, will send it back again but not at my expense :P | 16:20 |
haltdef | might just say forget it, router was only £30 | 16:21 |
haltdef | ordered a wnr3500l and he sent a wnr3500 v2, worse spec | 16:21 |
bindi | are you fkn kidding me | 16:24 |
bindi | the screen has got err... junk behind the screen | 16:24 |
haltdef | ack | 16:24 |
bindi | they changed the lcd, it had those 2 white spots that many other do too, at the exact same spot | 16:24 |
bindi | they were hesitant to change it in the first place... | 16:24 |
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haltdef | dead pixels? | 16:25 |
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bindi | nope | 16:26 |
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bindi | only visible on bright background | 16:27 |
bindi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=955738&postcount=170 | 16:27 |
guly | anyone here using backupmenu with ext2/3 on mydocs? | 16:27 |
r00t|home | uneven backlight? | 16:27 |
bindi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=956232&postcount=171 | 16:28 |
haltdef | mine's always had a bright spot | 16:28 |
haltdef | not that bad though, and only one :P | 16:28 |
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ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/20/microsoft_windows_phone_to_overtake_apple_ios_in_2015/ <-- "Windows Phone to overtake iOS in 2015" | 16:51 |
haltdef | wishful thinking | 16:52 |
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r00t|home | hard to decide which is better/worse | 17:00 |
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khertan | Harmattan | 17:37 |
khertan | armv7el | 17:37 |
khertan | succeeded <<< yOUHOU | 17:37 |
khertan | :) | 17:37 |
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Macer | is there an easy way to get a range of a domain? | 17:43 |
Macer | ie: the IPs they have in their range for teh whole domain? | 17:43 |
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r00t|home | you can't get a list of names that point to an ip, as there could be any number of them, other than by querying every nameserver in existance | 17:47 |
muelli | erm. what Macer? | 17:47 |
Macer | hm. i thought there was a simple way to get the range used by a domain | 17:47 |
r00t|home | other than maybe some (likely non-free commersion) service maintaining a database of such mappings | 17:47 |
r00t|home | Macer: you can look up some host in the domain, and then the range it's IP is from... for a company, the other IPs will likely be in the same range (the company's network) | 17:48 |
r00t|home | $ host maemo.org | 17:49 |
r00t|home | maemo.org has address 80.248.164.250 | 17:49 |
r00t|home | $ whois 80.248.164.250 | 17:49 |
r00t|home | inetnum: 80.248.164.224 - 80.248.164.255 | 17:49 |
r00t|home | netname: FI-BILIA | 17:49 |
r00t|home | descr: Logica Finland Oy / Datacentre services | 17:49 |
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Macer | nice | 17:50 |
Macer | thanks | 17:50 |
r00t|home | so all we know now is that the server maemo.org points to is hosted at logica finland, which owns 80.248.164.224 - 80.248.164.255 | 17:51 |
r00t|home | note that any subdomain might be hosted at a completely different network | 17:51 |
ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/20/supremes_copyright/ <-- infinite copyright here we come | 17:51 |
r00t|home | bugs.maemo.org has address 80.248.164.252 <-- same network | 17:52 |
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r00t|home | Macer: talk.maemo.org is on a completely different network, for example. (i guess the forum is bought as a service from another company) | 18:01 |
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Z3ROC00L | hey peeps im having a few issues with queenbeecon , can anybody help ... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1152827&postcount=1315 | 21:23 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | ~dns talk.maemo.org | 21:32 |
infobot | talk.maemo.org is 74.86.202.247 | 21:32 |
DocScrutinizer51 | ~dns talk.maemo.org | 21:33 |
infobot | talk.maemo.org is 74.86.202.247 | 21:33 |
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DocScrutinizer | wow, amazing lags on 2G, I've sent 2nd ~dns before first answer reached me | 21:45 |
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jonne | does anyone use SMSCON's remote server option? | 22:39 |
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jonne | I'm not entirely sure if it's working the way it should | 22:40 |
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jonne | i see it accessing my server in the logs, reading the command, but i don't get the e-mail it's supposed to send | 22:41 |
jonne | except after a reboot | 22:41 |
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* RST38h moos | 22:58 | |
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