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| DocScrutinizer | hey, maemo.org big void?? | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could somebody see if there's *anything on http://maemo.org ? | 00:30 |
| merlin1991 | big void indeed | 00:30 |
| Pali | white screen | 00:30 |
| merlin1991 | tmo is up though | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pff, tmo is another box | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | another IP | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | another ifra | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | infra even | 00:31 |
| merlin1991 | but it's nearly seamless integrated ;) | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno about wiki.maemo.org, which seems ok'ish | 00:31 |
| merlin1991 | wiki is up too | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiVFfOOm_GI | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and for more loonatic audience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xTynHGqxcQ&feature=related | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYgf0HL_5mQ&feature=related and good night :-D | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a last one (my generation's version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZlir45ZAyc | 01:00 |
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| AndrewX192 | My N900 comes up with an unstyled theme without proper fonts when I switched my /home/user/MyDocs over to ext4 (after modifying mmc-mount & oss-mmc-mount), any ideas? | 03:18 |
| AndrewX192 | When I switch MyDocs back to fat32 it works fine | 03:22 |
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| KrayonWORK | AndrewX192: They are probably referencing files that contain CaMeL case, as all upper/lowercase or something similar. | 03:33 |
| AndrewX192 | KrayonWORK: Any idea what files? | 03:37 |
| AndrewX192 | Even the bootup PIN lock screen is just a bunch of boxes on a grey | 03:37 |
| AndrewX192 | And I thought MyDocs wasn't required to boot normally | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It wasn't. | 03:38 |
| AndrewX192 | Since it's exported when in mass storage mode | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It now is. | 03:38 |
| AndrewX192 | Oh? | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Mydocs isn't required to boot | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | /opt is | 03:39 |
| AndrewX192 | Yes | 03:39 |
| AndrewX192 | I am talking about MyDocs | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - I diddn't read back | 03:39 |
| AndrewX192 | I already converted /home & /opt | 03:39 |
| KrayonWORK | AndrewX192: No no idea, I'm just speculating. The trouble is it may be somewhat difficult to find out. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | the problem is presumably the mount scripts getting confused | 03:39 |
| AndrewX192 | They are working fine | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | and not mounting /opt | 03:39 |
| AndrewX192 | oo | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | That sounds very like the failures that get reported when the emmc fails, and /opt doesn't load because of that | 03:40 |
| AndrewX192 | So basically one mistake in my scripts causes all of /opt AND /home/user to be gone | 03:40 |
| AndrewX192 | Now that makes sense | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Or bugs in the existing mount scripts that you trigger. | 03:40 |
| AndrewX192 | Yay, debugging this is going to suck | 03:40 |
| AndrewX192 | I hacked my rcS init script to get me a shell though | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ver ssh? | 03:40 |
| AndrewX192 | And I have BackupMenu | 03:41 |
| AndrewX192 | No | 03:41 |
| AndrewX192 | I have a framebuffer boot | 03:41 |
| AndrewX192 | Until the PIN unlock shows up | 03:41 |
| AndrewX192 | Can't have it after the PIN screen - Xorg starts then | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Inrteresting | 03:41 |
| AndrewX192 | So. Any ideas on how I should debug the init scripts? | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I tend to scattegun echo/ls/... | 03:42 |
| AndrewX192 | I guess I'll execute the scripts from my shell | 03:42 |
| AndrewX192 | Forunately the scripts work with a fat32 partition | 03:43 |
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| AndrewX192 | SpeedEvil: And FYI - my console boot is about the same as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zx8qdVs7Ug | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | naet | 03:44 |
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| AndrewX192 | http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee282/ hm @ the device on the right :) | 04:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:05 |
| AndrewX192 | http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee282/10_handouts/lect.09.systemsw.pdf too | 04:05 |
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| xev | guys, anyone running CSSU here? | 05:06 |
| AndrewX192 | Yes? | 05:06 |
| AndrewX192 | But there is also a #maemo-ssu channel | 05:06 |
| xev | ohhh | 05:06 |
| xev | just wanna know if its better.. | 05:07 |
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| xev | than current maemo.. | 05:07 |
| plate | yes it is | 05:08 |
| plate | rotation is supported in more apps, scrolling seems beter, a few minor fixes here and there. Cam app is way better | 05:08 |
| plate | transitions.ini is the best thing since sliced bread | 05:08 |
| plate | most reasons the device felt sluggish was the pointless animated whoosy crap | 05:09 |
| plate | gona try nemomobile though just beacuse.. mer team seems to be investing effort into it and havent got a HArmattan from Nokia to install.. | 05:09 |
| xev | plate, oh and battery usage? | 05:09 |
| plate | havent noticeda huge change, however my battery's fairly old | 05:10 |
| plate | plus im on powerkernel so who knows if that eats more | 05:10 |
| AndrewX192 | xev: I would go for the upgrade | 05:11 |
| plate | i dont get all these people saying "i want a N900 but more CPU and RAM" | 05:11 |
| AndrewX192 | It's the first thing I did when I rebuilt my N900 | 05:11 |
| plate | as far as im concerned, its perected | 05:11 |
| AndrewX192 | plate: try opening a few tabs in MicroB :| | 05:12 |
| plate | yeha, i use maep/cam/mediaplayer/fmradio thats it | 05:12 |
| AndrewX192 | lol | 05:12 |
| plate | chromium binary from debian sid proably works, no? | 05:12 |
| xev | i'm using powerkernel too 4.9 | 05:12 |
| AndrewX192 | I use NX to access Google Chome to browse the web | 05:12 |
| AndrewX192 | Chrome* | 05:12 |
| plate | yeah or a chroto | 05:12 |
| plate | chroot'd debian | 05:12 |
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| plate | midori/tear are in extras-devel or something, which are also faster than microb | 05:13 |
| plate | anythings faster than an oooold versio of firefox , on an ARM .. | 05:13 |
| AndrewX192 | Why hasn't MicroB been upgraded? Don't we have the source for the UI now? | 05:13 |
| plate | you can install fennec | 05:14 |
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| AndrewX192 | Fennec is horribly slow | 05:14 |
| plate | which is an official mozilla mobile firefox of much more recent vintage | 05:14 |
| plate | ah, installed it but forgot to try | 05:14 |
| AndrewX192 | I'd rather see MicroB with an updated rendering engine | 05:14 |
| xev | same here | 05:14 |
| AndrewX192 | But I'd really really like to get ext4 MyDocs working :) | 05:15 |
| AndrewX192 | Which is not :| | 05:15 |
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| robbiethe1st | Well, just install backupmenu, then you've got a root console immune to mydocs/optfs issues | 05:18 |
| robbiethe1st | and you can play with it to your hearts content | 05:18 |
| AndrewX192 | Yep, I have BackupMenu + shell hacked into my boot scripts | 05:19 |
| AndrewX192 | But every time my device turns on with an ext4 MyDocs fs, the fonts are just boxes and crap | 05:20 |
| AndrewX192 | Probaby because optfs can't be mounted | 05:20 |
| robbiethe1st | Check the boot log | 05:20 |
| robbiethe1st | Figure out where it's failing | 05:21 |
| robbiethe1st | and fix it | 05:21 |
| AndrewX192 | Do I have to install rsyslogd for that? | 05:22 |
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| plate | the optification stuff is a bit brittle imo | 05:33 |
| plate | not too condusive to other layouts w/o script-hacking in /etc/ | 05:34 |
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| plate | all like if ACT_DEAD && notopted_home: and your minor tweaks send it doin the wrong thing or just blackscreening on boot | 05:34 |
| plate | they didnt expect people to hack on it | 05:34 |
| plate | it also annoys me infobot says ~android isnt open, when it seems like more of Maemo isnt open than android (which afaik, is limited to google's apps and device drivers) | 05:35 |
| plate | all this dsme daemon crap you cant get rid of which restarts other apps which youre trying to get rid of , etc | 05:35 |
| plate | /etc/event.d/rcS-late does mounting "magic" | 05:36 |
| plate | what id suggest is , deleting the fstab-generation stuff to start with, since thats not so drastic | 05:37 |
| plate | and then add entries to /etc/fstab.. | 05:37 |
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| plate | since the script just does mount /home and so on, adn gets the necessary details from fstab | 05:37 |
| plate | editing the genfstab.awk is just too hacky for my tastes, and has a n extra layer of quoting/escaping wrapped around it due to Awk insanity | 05:38 |
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| AndrewX192 | Well, it syslog says it cannot open the theme, and it can't file the files for the theme | 05:47 |
| AndrewX192 | Which isn't a shocker | 05:47 |
| AndrewX192 | No errors though | 05:47 |
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| AndrewX192 | Uff, I found another place where MyDocs hardcoding took place.. | 05:51 |
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| AndrewX192 | I don't get it | 06:19 |
| AndrewX192 | It's not a matter of not being able to mount MyDocs | 06:19 |
| AndrewX192 | Because I switched it back to fat32, started up normally, and it's not mounted | 06:19 |
| AndrewX192 | So why does it bust when it becomes ext4 | 06:19 |
| plate | systemd the mofo. rewrite all init scripts. | 06:22 |
| AndrewX192 | Heh yeah | 06:27 |
| AndrewX192 | Those init scripts have some pretty bad stuff in them | 06:27 |
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| AndrewX192 | "I really don't like this hack" <- best part | 06:27 |
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| plate | # Small hack to have it working NOW | 06:28 |
| plate | nice finds | 06:28 |
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| AndrewX192 | plate: lol where's that one? | 07:02 |
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| KrayonWORK | plate: once you're running a crap load it goes to slow :( | 07:16 |
| KrayonWORK | plate: I have 3G data on with XMPP which listening to podcasts over bluetooth headphones and have gpodder open and media player (obviously) and mappero (and therefore GPS) and it runs slow. | 07:18 |
| plate | 256mb ram is not enough | 07:18 |
| plate | once it swaps it is definitely hell | 07:18 |
| plate | this is why i want to get rid of hte raft of dbus/hal/daemon crap but then theres proprietary dsme restarting it, so im going to have to rewrite EVERY script | 07:19 |
| plate | at which point it makes more sense to install Debian/ARch and fiddle with that instead since its less futile | 07:19 |
| plate | so.. i just hang in there for now | 07:19 |
| plate | Dillo is pretty slick and lean for reading HTML w/o javascript | 07:19 |
| KrayonWORK | Yeah true, dillo is good. But it seems many new web dev people seem to think that you NEED js, even just for hyperlinks. I'm seeming more and more pages that are replacing a hyperlink, with a hyperlink that calls a js function that opens a new page. | 07:20 |
| plate | oh yeah, getting more and impore impossible :( | 07:20 |
| KrayonWORK | What I would like, is people much smarter than me to be trying to put something like maemo on all these new android phones. | 07:21 |
| plate | G+/Twitter as basically entirely broken w/o JS | 07:21 |
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| KrayonWORK | Unfortunately no other hardware has all the great features :/ But I'd give up some if I could have more POWER and memory | 07:22 |
| plate | MEr seems to run well on archos tablets | 07:22 |
| plate | there is a 4.3 inch one even | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | plate: Maemo swaps always | 07:22 |
| plate | ive already removed Trackerd, calendar, stuff like that | 07:22 |
| plate | hrm, ps aux shows VSZ only | 07:23 |
| plate | damn busybox | 07:24 |
| plate | Swap: 786424 81524 704900 | 07:24 |
| plate | yes, this is a clean reboot with basically nothing runnning :/ | 07:24 |
| plate | so at least 512mb would be needed to not swap on boot | 07:24 |
| plate | let alone if you actually launch apps | 07:24 |
| AndrewX192 | I got MyDocs working. | 07:28 |
| AndrewX192 | I had to use mkfs.ext4 on device, instead of my netbook. This is logical. | 07:28 |
| AndrewX192 | And yeah, the N900 needs 512MB of RAM | 07:28 |
| AndrewX192 | MicroB uses way too much ram | 07:29 |
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| luke-jr | plate: KDE 4.7 does better | 07:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plate: with current stock settings, every linux would use swap from very beginning, even with 4GB of RAM | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | plate: see swappolube and associated threads in tmo | 07:45 |
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| plate | so Plasma Active is worth a looksee | 07:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plate: you won't get rid of dbus, or you have to use another system than maemo | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo is almost based on dbus, though still not comprehensively enough in my book. Look into FSO to see how to do it better, still with dbus. You will need *some* messaging on a interactive desktop, KDE also won't really work without dbus | 07:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what you need most isn't exactly messaging but *signals* | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | which on dbus are messages without destination address | 07:59 |
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| AndrewX192 | TwimGo uses 12% of my memory | 08:00 |
| AndrewX192 | :| | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably each serious developer already cursed dbus several times, and we all thought about replacing it with e.g. a resurrected corba arvhitecture, or something other weird stuff. As dbus evidently has issues. But it's defacto standard and no way to circumvent it | 08:02 |
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| RST38h | Corba? | 08:07 |
| RST38h | Doc, you are being delusional | 08:07 |
| RST38h | In fact, you are being delusional about this whole thing. Using middleware servers for interprocess communication never ever worked as intended. That is why the goddamn Corba is dead and well buried. | 08:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 08:08 |
| RST38h | DBus is stable like a rock compared to just about any Corba "solution" that ever was | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA | 08:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, forgot to read second half of your statement | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 08:09 |
| RST38h | ...and before you suggest MS SOAP, lemme visit bathroom... | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's why I picked exactly this example, to show how much some of the devels got pissed. They honestly pondered to even look into improving CORBA rather than using dbus any longer. Of course this mood was temporaray, like for an evening of ranting | 08:11 |
| RST38h | Less reliance on DBus might be a better solution | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *need* some IPC | 08:11 |
| RST38h | I think it is less how DBus works and more about how these poettering people are using it | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | with a way to register multinple listeners | 08:12 |
| RST38h | Yes, you need some central registry where clients can find other clients | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, dbus had some serious bugs until "recently" (like 2 years ago max) | 08:12 |
| RST38h | 2 years is ancient history nowadays | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | bwahaha, look what versions we run on maemo | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Maemo is ancient history too, welcome to Android worls. | 08:13 |
| RST38h | world. | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are versions of systems I forgot ever existed ;-P | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: /part; /join #andridiot | 08:14 |
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| RST38h | Anyways, time to go to work | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Doc: You know I am essentially right, no need to get pissed =( | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, actually NO dbus on OSE | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | no pissed, just pointing to chan /topic | 08:15 |
| RST38h | Doc: I think Arkanoid once posted a list of open sockets on a Maemo device (Harmattan I think) and compared it with the list from x86 desktop running Linux | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and to my cloak, which suggests I'm dealing with this problem even longer than I had maemo devices | 08:16 |
| RST38h | Provided for some interesting comparison =) | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | open? to where, to what? | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares about open sockets | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 08:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, this lil critter *has* a helluffa lot more services running than the average office desltop *nix box | 08:18 |
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| kerio | what's the point of dnsmasq again? | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and since one of the major problems of dbus is protocol overhead, you probably don't want to run X over it, rather you get a SOCK | 08:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neither you reasonably want to pipe audio thru dbus | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and heck yeah, you shouldn't even abuse dbus to shove down its throat a message with *all* of your contacts or albums either | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus devels would have done better, if they specified from beginning sth like "max msg size: 50k. max msg thruput: 10/s" | 08:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see wiki phonecontrol, if you try to figure a maemo without dbus | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | (virtually) all of those calls are based on dbus for a good reason. Not exactly simple to replace them by some other concept of IPC | 08:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: fragment *all* the calls! _ò/ | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 08:29 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: people would still push humongous quantities of data through dbus | 08:29 |
| kerio | just slower | 08:29 |
| kerio | *in a slower way | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | you mean combinatoric explosion by replacing bus by 1<->1 communications? | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | *HUGE* handlers for all the concurrent connections in each process? | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, all known problems | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | there *are* reasons for a decent bus based IPC | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | proper permissions handling just one of them, and one that's basically unused on maemo (and most other dbus using systems, except HARM) | 08:32 |
| kerio | (as a side note - should i buy a N9? is it good?) | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | *me goes bathroom* | 08:33 |
| kerio | :c | 08:33 |
| xev | theres a way to install bootmenu/nitdroid with backupmenu? | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG, I wasn't fast enough to avoid reading this :-/ ;-P | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot | 08:35 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 08:35 |
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| xev | sorry, i mean multiboot | 08:36 |
| xev | installed backupmenu before then install nitdroid .. but backupmenu is removed.. | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | tztztz | 08:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we already had above note in /TOPIC of this chan, to make clear what's level of support for multiboot here | 08:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: so how is one supposed to dual boot? | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | it basically feels like "linux SUCKS! when I install win98 on my linux machine, the bootloader doesn't offer booting to linux anymore" | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: ask in #nitdroid | 08:39 |
| xev | just now i have in my boot is maemo, kp49, and nitdroid.. then i want to add backupmenu.. i'm glad if you can point me where to start.. | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it's not maemo that spoils things here, it's clearly the droid dudes that think they don't need to care about any other system concurrently installed and eventually pushing updates to system and kernel | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | xev: start at: | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot | 08:41 |
| infobot | [maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 08:41 |
| AndrewX192 | All you need is Maemo anyways | 08:41 |
| AndrewX192 | If you're running Android on an N900, something is probably wrong | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 08:41 |
| kerio | especially because android on 128mb of ram is... | 08:42 |
| kerio | eeeeeeeeeh | 08:42 |
| AndrewX192 | I should delete my nitdroid partition | 08:42 |
| xev | because last week.. installed this android .. just wanna try it out.. | 08:42 |
| AndrewX192 | Make all of my 64GB available for use :) | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | too bad | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot | 08:42 |
| infobot | [maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 08:42 |
| AndrewX192 | I hope I don't have to reflash any time soon | 08:43 |
| xev | ermm | 08:43 |
| xev | i should have 3 partition isnt? | 08:43 |
| AndrewX192 | Because if I do, I'll be utterly screwed with ext4 filesystems and cryptsetup :) | 08:43 |
| AndrewX192 | xev: on mmcblk0 yes | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | listen xev, this is not #nitdroid | 08:43 |
| xev | no.. i'm not asking about nitdroid. | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine then | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you want backup menu? install it. You got problems with multiboot conflicting with BM? see above | 08:45 |
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| xev | "unable to install backupmenu, Conflict with application packages: Enhanced boot loader for Maemo (0.2.10-1)" | 08:46 |
| xev | this is BM? | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, BVM==backupmenu | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | enhanced... PFFFFFT | 08:47 |
| xev | \i dont know how do i get this apps | 08:47 |
| xev | gosh. | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're screwed, as there's no rollback known to work from nitdroid install. see ~maemo-multiboot | 08:48 |
| xev | ok | 08:48 |
| xev | understand that .. :) thanks | 08:48 |
| xev | i just bought this device .. used.. so i dont know what in there.. | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 08:48 |
| xev | then i need to reflash.. isnt? | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry about being a bit grumpy, it's just nitdroid/multiboot SUCKS, and tehre were times when we had to tell that stuff 4 times a day here | 08:49 |
| xev | ohh | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, reflash COMBINED | 08:49 |
| xev | thats ok.. | 08:50 |
| xev | brb.. going to have surgery for my device | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for completely unknown reasons nitdroid folks are incapable to set up their stuff in a way compatible to uBoot bootmanager that allows flawless coexistence of maemo with e.g. meego | 08:52 |
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| AndrewX192 | https://wiki.engr.illinois.edu/display/cs498mar/Home | 08:53 |
| AndrewX192 | The N900 is everywhere | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so unless they get their shit sorted, we are not feeling like giving helpdesk for problems they introduce to whole system | 08:53 |
| AndrewX192 | Too bad they only have 11 N900s | 08:53 |
| OkropNick | Hi. Anyone know what's going on with http://maemo.org ? | 08:56 |
| AndrewX192 | OkropNick: It's working just fine? | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | blank page - fsckdup | 08:56 |
| OkropNick | yeah, not working from yesterday in Poland | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | another test how much of administration maemo infra still gets from Nokia ;-D | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably next week you will get forwarded to URL meego.com instead XP | 08:59 |
| xev | guys, sorry to ask again.. | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | they just forgot to put on the "under construction" sign | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | xev: shoot | 09:00 |
| xev | theres 'original' 2 partition from mmcblk0 isnt? | 09:00 |
| xev | and 1 from rootfs | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, 3 on eMMC aka mmcblk0 | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 09:01 |
| xev | = /home /opt /mydoc ? | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, MyDocs-VFAT, /home-ext3, swap-768MB | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | /opt is a bindmount to /home | 09:02 |
| dm8tbr | isn't swap also on emmc? that would make 3 ;) | 09:03 |
| xev | = /home size about 8gb , mydocs 21gb , swap for the rest | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) | 09:03 |
| xev | and rooffs 256 i think. | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: did I tell sth different? | 09:03 |
| dm8tbr | ah, yeah, just waking up, ignore me... | 09:04 |
| xev | so, all suppose to be 32gb | 09:04 |
| * dm8tbr runs to work | 09:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -ld /opt | 09:04 |
| AndrewX192 | Or... http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 12 2010 /opt -> /home/opt | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed :-) | 09:05 |
| AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer: My favorite part is | 09:05 |
| AndrewX192 | drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 0 Dec 31 1969 sys | 09:05 |
| xev | :) | 09:06 |
| xev | thanks .. | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | xev: root aka / is on mtd, not on mmc | 09:06 |
| AndrewX192 | mtd5 | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the reason why it's only 240MB size | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | real phy size, plus ubifs compression on top | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually less... :-/ | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# df -h / | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootfs 227.9M 188.3M 35.4M 84% / | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and: | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc) | 09:09 |
| AndrewX192 | I should get another N900 | 09:09 |
| AndrewX192 | Oh my god | 09:12 |
| AndrewX192 | charge.sh! I've missed you so much | 09:12 |
| AndrewX192 | I love worthless verbose output being spit out over my console at all times! | 09:12 |
| AndrewX192 | Someone should kill this thing | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | someone should kill your rant, when you'r enot capable to append a >/dev/null to kill the diagnostic output | 09:14 |
| AndrewX192 | I haven't got around to modifying that line in BackupMenu | 09:15 |
| AndrewX192 | The most I've done to it is fix ext4 | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or, (attention, only for 'experts'!) just comment out the echo lines in script | 09:15 |
| AndrewX192 | I'd rather complain about the bad choice of making that a default :) | 09:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, my draft included some quick&dirty "diagnostic output" and obviously it lingered on in ShadowJK 's augmented versions | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd concur it *should* go to &2 | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and possibly get disabled when script is not started interactively | 09:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pester robbiethe1st about it ;-P he's fix that one line in BM in no time | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | he could "fix" the rather weird screen brightness "signalling" of charging as well, rather make that via dirct call to LP5523 to flash the indicator LED, and spend +/- for adjusting screen brightness manually | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | AndrewX192: it's not like you're ranting to other users in this chan, it's most likely the devels that are answering ;-) | 09:23 |
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| AndrewX192 | Well, when he get back in here, there's another issue with enabling the framebuffer and BackupMenu :) | 09:26 |
| AndrewX192 | charge.sh makes it worse though | 09:27 |
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| MohammadAG | Excess flood eh? | 09:33 |
| AndrewX192 | Spammer | 09:33 |
| MohammadAG | :S | 09:33 |
| AndrewX192 | MohammadAG: you're worse than charge.sh | 09:34 |
| AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer: While I'm complaining... | 09:35 |
| AndrewX192 | Someone is slacking (T-Mobile?) - my N900 doesn't pick up service for 5 minutes after each reboot | 09:35 |
| AndrewX192 | Even with stock | 09:36 |
| MohammadAG | Comparing shell scripts and people sounds fun | 09:36 |
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| AndrewX192 | MohammadAG: # I hate this hack. -- Md | 09:37 |
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| MohammadAG | So you hate me more? | 09:39 |
| AndrewX192 | No | 09:40 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 09:42 |
| AndrewX192 | MohammadAG: that is from /etc/event.d/rcS | 09:43 |
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| rly | I currently don't have my phone locked, but I don't know the previous lock code to give it a new lock code. Can I reset this lock code in some way? | 12:21 |
| rly | I am talking just about the 4 digit code. | 12:21 |
| rly | I am semi-afraid that I won't be able to do anything with my phone if I enable the lock code (without knowing the code, naturally). | 12:22 |
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| xev | guys, there's no support from nokia forever for maemo.. i'm correct? | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | yes | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | well, they still support harmattan | 12:53 |
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| xev | at least we have cssu.. ;) | 12:54 |
| xev | and good community.. | 12:54 |
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| rly | Does anyone know the answer to my earlier question? | 12:55 |
| jacekowski | rly: you can | 12:56 |
| rly | jacekowski: ok, and how? | 12:56 |
| guly | default 12345 ? | 12:56 |
| jacekowski | rly: code_reset from repository | 12:56 |
| rly | jacekowski: ok, and to what does it reset then? | 12:56 |
| rly | jacekowski: is it in the default repositories? | 12:56 |
| jacekowski | default | 12:56 |
| jacekowski | extras-devel | 12:56 |
| rly | And default is 12345? | 12:56 |
| jacekowski | yes | 12:57 |
| rly | Excellent | 12:57 |
| jacekowski | it's commandline tool | 12:57 |
| jacekowski | so i don't think it shows up in HAM | 12:57 |
| rly | jacekowski: ok. | 12:57 |
| rly | jacekowski: thanks | 12:57 |
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| jacekowski | you just run it as root | 12:58 |
| jacekowski | and you're done | 12:58 |
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| rly | It would be even more cool, if you had to attach a very small device which acts as a key if you want to use it. | 12:58 |
| rly | Something cryptographically signed, etc. ;) | 12:58 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 12:59 |
| rly | Just a semi-random, perhaps not so practical idea. | 12:59 |
| jacekowski | and besides, you can't enable lock if you don't know the code | 12:59 |
| rly | jacekowski: does something bad happen if I try more than X times? | 13:00 |
| rly | jacekowski: I will reset it anyway, but it is still nice to know. | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | no | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | iirc you have to stop for 5 minutes after 5 tries | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | or restart | 13:00 |
| rly | Ok, so you can crack it in a day anyway. | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | not really | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | lenght is not limited to 5 characters | 13:01 |
| rly | Ok | 13:01 |
| rly | I was used to 4 ;)_ | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | pin numbers can be longer than 4 as well | 13:02 |
| fizzie | What's weird about the lock code is that (IIRC) the UI accepts numbers with lengths up to 10 digits, but only the first 8 are meaningful. | 13:03 |
| guly | still better than crypt() :) | 13:03 |
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| ShadowJK | AndrewX192; directing the output to console seems silly :) | 14:16 |
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| ShadowJK | If you actually want to see the raw state now and then, directing it to a screen window, x-terminal or a file would make more sense... | 14:18 |
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| andre__ | peb: identity crisis? | 14:33 |
| peb | andre_, no playing around with basic functionality (no coffee yet) | 14:34 |
| andre__ | heh | 14:34 |
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| RST38h | "Microsoft has introduced a gamification plugin for Visual Studio that lets users win achievements and badges as they compete on leaderboards by writing code. The full list of achievements includes gems like 'Go To Hell' for using goto, and 'Potty Mouth' for using five different curses in one file." | 17:04 |
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| BCMM | RST38h: After long consideration, I have absolutely no idea if that's true. | 17:13 |
| RST38h | BCMM: Apparently, it is | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Long time until April 1 | 17:16 |
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| BCMM | After long consideration, I'm not sure whether I'm surprised. | 17:22 |
| badcloud_ | hey all | 17:22 |
| BCMM | also, lots of cursing and goto? sounds like the Linux kernel. | 17:22 |
| badcloud_ | is epiphany only installable in easy debian, or can it be installed on maemo? | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 18:17 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 | 18:17 |
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| Niloy | is it possible to run ubuntu command line app in maemo directly? | 19:10 |
| Sicelo | mostly no .. because of arch .. but multi-arch ones sometimes work | 19:12 |
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| Niloy | are you aware of nodejs? | 19:13 |
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| Sicelo | yes, never tried it. have nfc if it will work | 19:14 |
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| Niloy | nfc? | 19:14 |
| AIN2 | Niloy, yes: if this command line "app" is compiled for ARM, and if maemo has all the libs for it (or if you can make sure that it will have them), then it should be possible. Another way: setting up an ubuntu arm chroot | 19:16 |
| Sicelo | ~nfc | 19:16 |
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| infobot | i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications | 19:16 |
| Niloy | can someone please try to build nodejs for maemo? | 19:17 |
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| Niloy | anyone? someone? please... | 19:21 |
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| AndrewX192 | I heard there was a problem with building nodejs for arm | 19:48 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Teens Share Passwords As a Form of Intimacy | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: While putting plastic bags over their heads. | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Good enough for members of the government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Milligan | 20:00 |
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| mad_dev | what is the best device for maemo 6? | 20:04 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Yeah, that too. Have to give them a credit though: they have more or less found the cheapest way to have fun, short of having actual sex | 20:06 |
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| Sicelo | mad_dev: it's the one device where it's preinstalled. | 20:14 |
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| MohammadAG | Feds shut down megaupload | 22:20 |
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| merlin1991 | feds shut down maemo.org or is it back? | 22:26 |
| merlin1991 | hey it is back | 22:26 |
| merlin1991 | omgz | 22:26 |
| merlin1991 | apps formeego too | 22:26 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | I secretly brought them down to protest but no one noticed | 22:28 |
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| shanttu | what could cause that n900 doesn't connect to internet at all? not gprs nor wlan. no questions asked. | 22:31 |
| shanttu | when i try to make connect from status menu it doesn't even open the screen to select from connections. cell phone works on 2g and 3g | 22:31 |
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| merlin1991 | sfckd wlancond? | 22:32 |
| merlin1991 | though that would still allow gprs / the other thing | 22:32 |
| shanttu | got it - wifi switcher - which is _not_ set to disable wlan on startup. | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ummmm | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>110 481 829 downloads served for Maemo 5 (Last update: 2012-01-19 17:01)<< | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all those "switchers" are nasty borked hacks, it seems | 23:30 |
| AndrewX192 | People on TMO need to stop putting crap on RapidShare/megaupload/ec | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | megaupload is dead | 23:32 |
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| AndrewX192 | Yeah, and so now those files can't be accessed | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, they closed kino.to, took some 48h til alternative URLs wre up | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I host my warez on my own server ;-P | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~no-aegis | 23:37 |
| infobot | aegis-no-thanks is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Finding a nice simple cheap place to host largish files easily - for those not up to do ing the whole shell-server thing isn't easy | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just kidding | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | though not completely, it's always been a good laugh to see feds of any flavour trying to "take down" a internet service | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | they seem to me like rentokil dude trying to counteract termites invasion by sitting there holding a huge "STOP" sign | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | like a fool trying to catch snowflakes so none of them hits the ground | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like stopping drug abuse by arresting one little filthy dealer | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "hey, big police success story! we arrested a dealer that otherwise would have sold drugs for ~3000$ a day" - meanwhile: the next dude sells same amount of drugs for 4000$ a day to same clients, at same location | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | was it India and the British police/military that tried to keep people from making their own salt by evaporating sea water - as that would ruin the British's business to sell mineral salt with high taxes? | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's always a time for a product, and a time where nobody needs that particular product anymore. Alas RIAA/GEMA/music-industry hasn't yet learnt their lesson from history | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather they think selling poor quality overpriced salt^Hmusic will compensate for their vanishing margins | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the intelligent musicians already noticed that the "classic" music dealer industry is obsolete, and they are coming up with new business concepts. Live concerts just one of them, crowd funding another | 23:58 |
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