IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-01-19

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DocScrutinizerhey, big void??00:28
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DocScrutinizercould somebody see if there's *anything on ?00:30
merlin1991big void indeed00:30
Paliwhite screen00:30
merlin1991tmo is up though00:30
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DocScrutinizerpff, tmo is another box00:30
DocScrutinizeranother IP00:31
DocScrutinizeranother ifra00:31
DocScrutinizerinfra even00:31
merlin1991but it's nearly seamless integrated ;)00:31
DocScrutinizerdunno about, which seems ok'ish00:31
merlin1991wiki is up too00:31
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DocScrutinizerand for more loonatic audience:
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DocScrutinizer  and good night :-D00:48
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DocScrutinizera last one (my generation's version)
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AndrewX192My N900 comes up with an unstyled theme without proper fonts when I switched my /home/user/MyDocs over to ext4 (after modifying mmc-mount & oss-mmc-mount), any ideas?03:18
AndrewX192When I switch MyDocs back to fat32 it works fine03:22
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KrayonWORKAndrewX192: They are probably referencing files that contain CaMeL case, as all upper/lowercase or something similar.03:33
AndrewX192KrayonWORK: Any idea what files?03:37
AndrewX192Even the bootup PIN lock screen is just a bunch of boxes on a grey03:37
AndrewX192And I thought MyDocs wasn't required to boot normally03:38
SpeedEvilIt wasn't.03:38
AndrewX192Since it's exported when in mass storage mode03:38
SpeedEvilIt now is.03:38
SpeedEvilMydocs isn't required to boot03:38
SpeedEvil /opt is03:39
AndrewX192I am talking about MyDocs03:39
SpeedEviloh - I diddn't read back03:39
AndrewX192I already converted /home & /opt03:39
KrayonWORKAndrewX192: No no idea, I'm just speculating.  The trouble is it may be somewhat difficult to find out.03:39
SpeedEvilthe problem is presumably the mount scripts getting confused03:39
AndrewX192They are working fine03:39
SpeedEviland not mounting /opt03:39
SpeedEvilThat sounds very like the failures that get reported when the emmc fails, and /opt doesn't load because of that03:40
AndrewX192So basically one mistake in my scripts causes all of /opt AND /home/user to be gone03:40
AndrewX192Now that makes sense03:40
SpeedEvilOr bugs in the existing mount scripts that you trigger.03:40
AndrewX192Yay, debugging this is going to suck03:40
AndrewX192I hacked my rcS init script to get me a shell though03:40
SpeedEvilver ssh?03:40
AndrewX192And I have BackupMenu03:41
AndrewX192I have a framebuffer boot03:41
AndrewX192Until the PIN unlock shows up03:41
AndrewX192Can't have it after the PIN screen - Xorg starts then03:41
AndrewX192So. Any ideas on how I should debug the init scripts?03:42
SpeedEvilI tend to scattegun echo/ls/...03:42
AndrewX192I guess I'll execute the scripts from my shell03:42
AndrewX192Forunately the scripts work with a fat32 partition03:43
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AndrewX192SpeedEvil: And FYI - my console boot is about the same as
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AndrewX192 hm @ the device on the right :)04:03
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AndrewX192 too04:05
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xevguys, anyone running CSSU here?05:06
AndrewX192But there is also a #maemo-ssu channel05:06
xevjust wanna know if its better..05:07
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xevthan current maemo..05:07
plateyes it is05:08
platerotation is supported in more apps, scrolling seems beter, a few minor fixes here and there. Cam app is way better05:08
platetransitions.ini is the best thing since sliced bread05:08
platemost reasons the device felt sluggish was the pointless animated whoosy crap05:09
plategona try nemomobile though just beacuse.. mer team seems to be investing effort into it and havent got a HArmattan from Nokia to install..05:09
xevplate, oh and battery usage?05:09
platehavent noticeda huge change, however my battery's fairly old05:10
plateplus im on powerkernel so who knows if that eats more05:10
AndrewX192xev: I would go for the upgrade05:11
platei dont get all these people saying "i want a N900 but more CPU and RAM"05:11
AndrewX192It's the first thing I did when I rebuilt my N90005:11
plateas far as im concerned, its perected05:11
AndrewX192plate: try opening a few tabs in MicroB :|05:12
plateyeha, i use maep/cam/mediaplayer/fmradio thats it05:12
platechromium binary from debian sid proably works, no?05:12
xevi'm using powerkernel too 4.905:12
AndrewX192I use NX to access Google Chome to browse the web05:12
AndrewX192 Chrome*05:12
plateyeah or a chroto05:12
platechroot'd debian05:12
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platemidori/tear are in extras-devel or something, which are also faster than microb05:13
plateanythings faster than an oooold versio of firefox , on  an ARM ..05:13
AndrewX192Why hasn't MicroB been upgraded? Don't we have the source for the UI now?05:13
plateyou can install fennec05:14
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AndrewX192Fennec is horribly slow05:14
platewhich is an official mozilla mobile firefox of much more recent vintage05:14
plateah, installed it but forgot to try05:14
AndrewX192I'd rather see MicroB with an updated rendering engine05:14
xevsame here05:14
AndrewX192But I'd really really like to get ext4 MyDocs working :)05:15
AndrewX192Which is not :|05:15
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robbiethe1stWell, just install backupmenu, then you've got a root console immune to mydocs/optfs issues05:18
robbiethe1stand you can play with it to your hearts content05:18
AndrewX192Yep, I have BackupMenu + shell hacked into my boot scripts05:19
AndrewX192But every time my device turns on with an ext4 MyDocs fs, the fonts are just boxes and crap05:20
AndrewX192Probaby because optfs can't be mounted05:20
robbiethe1stCheck the boot log05:20
robbiethe1stFigure out where it's failing05:21
robbiethe1stand fix it05:21
AndrewX192Do I have to install rsyslogd for that?05:22
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platethe optification stuff is a bit brittle imo05:33
platenot too condusive to other layouts w/o script-hacking in /etc/05:34
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plateall like if ACT_DEAD && notopted_home: and your minor tweaks send it doin the wrong thing or just blackscreening on boot05:34
platethey didnt expect people to hack on it05:34
plateit also annoys me infobot says ~android isnt open, when it seems like more of Maemo isnt open than android (which afaik, is limited to google's apps and device drivers)05:35
plateall this dsme daemon crap you cant get rid of which restarts other apps which youre trying to get rid of , etc05:35
plate/etc/event.d/rcS-late does mounting "magic"05:36
platewhat id suggest is , deleting the fstab-generation stuff to start with, since thats not so drastic05:37
plateand then add entries to /etc/fstab..05:37
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platesince the script just does mount /home and so on, adn gets the necessary details from fstab05:37
plateediting the genfstab.awk is just too hacky for my tastes, and has a n extra layer of quoting/escaping wrapped around it due to Awk insanity05:38
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AndrewX192Well, it syslog says it cannot open the theme, and it can't file the files for the theme05:47
AndrewX192Which isn't a shocker05:47
AndrewX192No errors though05:47
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AndrewX192Uff, I found another place where MyDocs hardcoding took place..05:51
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AndrewX192I don't get it06:19
AndrewX192It's not a matter of not being able to mount MyDocs06:19
AndrewX192Because I switched it back to fat32, started up normally, and it's not mounted06:19
AndrewX192So why does it bust when it becomes ext406:19
platesystemd the mofo. rewrite all init scripts.06:22
AndrewX192Heh yeah06:27
AndrewX192Those init scripts have some pretty bad stuff in them06:27
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AndrewX192"I really don't like this hack" <- best part06:27
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plate# Small hack to have it working NOW06:28
platenice finds06:28
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AndrewX192plate: lol where's that one?07:02
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KrayonWORKplate: once you're running a crap load it goes to slow :(07:16
KrayonWORKplate: I have 3G data on with XMPP which listening to podcasts over bluetooth headphones and have gpodder open and media player (obviously) and mappero (and therefore GPS) and it runs slow.07:18
plate256mb ram is not enough07:18
plateonce it swaps it is definitely hell07:18
platethis is why i want to get rid of hte raft of dbus/hal/daemon crap but then theres proprietary dsme restarting it, so im going to have to rewrite EVERY script07:19
plateat which point it makes more sense to install Debian/ARch and fiddle with that instead since its less futile07:19
plateso.. i just hang in there for now07:19
plateDillo is pretty slick and lean for reading HTML w/o javascript07:19
KrayonWORKYeah true, dillo is good.  But it seems many new web dev people seem to think that you NEED js, even just for hyperlinks.  I'm seeming more and more pages that are replacing a hyperlink, with a hyperlink that calls a js function that opens a new page.07:20
plateoh yeah, getting more and impore impossible :(07:20
KrayonWORKWhat I would like, is people much smarter than me to be trying to put something like maemo on all these new android phones.07:21
plateG+/Twitter as basically entirely broken w/o JS07:21
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KrayonWORKUnfortunately no other hardware has all the great features :/  But I'd give up some if I could have more POWER and memory07:22
plateMEr seems to run well on archos tablets07:22
platethere is a 4.3 inch one even07:22
luke-jrplate: Maemo swaps always07:22
plateive already removed Trackerd, calendar, stuff like that07:22
platehrm, ps aux shows VSZ only07:23
platedamn busybox07:24
plate Swap:       786424        81524       70490007:24
plateyes, this is a clean reboot with basically nothing runnning :/07:24
plateso at least 512mb would be needed to not swap on boot07:24
platelet alone if you actually launch apps07:24
AndrewX192I got MyDocs working.07:28
AndrewX192I had to use mkfs.ext4 on device, instead of my netbook. This is logical.07:28
AndrewX192And yeah, the N900 needs 512MB of RAM07:28
AndrewX192MicroB uses way too much ram07:29
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luke-jrplate: KDE 4.7 does better07:36
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DocScrutinizerplate: with current stock settings, every linux would use swap from very beginning, even with 4GB of RAM07:44
DocScrutinizerplate: see swappolube and associated threads in tmo07:45
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plateso Plasma Active is worth a looksee07:48
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DocScrutinizerplate: you won't get rid of dbus, or you have to use another system than maemo07:55
DocScrutinizermaemo is almost based on dbus, though still not comprehensively enough in my book. Look into FSO to see how to do it better, still with dbus. You will need *some* messaging on a interactive desktop, KDE also won't really work without dbus07:57
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DocScrutinizerwhat you need most isn't exactly messaging but *signals*07:58
DocScrutinizerwhich on dbus are messages without destination address07:59
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AndrewX192TwimGo uses 12% of my memory08:00
DocScrutinizerprobably each serious developer already cursed dbus several times, and we all thought about replacing it with e.g. a resurrected corba arvhitecture, or something other weird stuff. As dbus evidently has issues. But it's defacto standard and no way to circumvent it08:02
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RST38hDoc, you are being delusional08:07
RST38hIn fact, you are being delusional about this whole thing. Using middleware servers for interprocess communication never ever worked as intended. That is why the goddamn Corba is dead and well buried.08:08
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RST38hDBus is stable like a rock compared to just about any Corba "solution" that ever was08:08
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DocScrutinizeroh, forgot to read second half of your statement08:09
RST38h...and before you suggest MS SOAP, lemme visit bathroom...08:10
DocScrutinizerwell, that's why I picked exactly this example, to show how much some of the devels got pissed. They honestly pondered to even look into improving CORBA rather than using dbus any longer. Of course this mood was temporaray, like for an evening of ranting08:11
RST38hLess reliance on DBus might be a better solution08:11
DocScrutinizeryou *need* some IPC08:11
RST38hI think it is less how DBus works and more about how these poettering people are using it08:12
DocScrutinizerwith a way to register multinple listeners08:12
RST38hYes, you need some central registry where clients can find other clients08:12
DocScrutinizerno, dbus had some serious bugs until "recently" (like 2 years ago max)08:12
RST38h2 years is ancient history nowadays08:12
DocScrutinizerbwahaha, look what versions we run on maemo08:13
RST38hMaemo is ancient history too, welcome to Android worls.08:13
DocScrutinizerthere are versions of systems I forgot ever existed ;-P08:13
DocScrutinizerRST38h: /part; /join #andridiot08:14
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RST38hAnyways, time to go to work08:14
DocScrutinizersame here08:14
RST38hDoc: You know I am essentially right, no need to get pissed =(08:14
DocScrutinizerand no, actually NO dbus on OSE08:14
DocScrutinizerno pissed, just pointing to chan /topic08:15
RST38hDoc: I think Arkanoid once posted a list of open sockets on a Maemo device (Harmattan I think) and compared it with the list from x86 desktop running Linux08:15
DocScrutinizerand to my cloak, which suggests I'm dealing with this problem even longer than I had maemo devices08:16
RST38hProvided for some interesting comparison =)08:16
DocScrutinizeropen? to where, to what?08:16
DocScrutinizerwho cares about open sockets08:17
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DocScrutinizerhell, this lil critter *has* a helluffa lot more services running than the average office desltop *nix box08:18
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keriowhat's the point of dnsmasq again?08:19
DocScrutinizerand since one of the major problems of dbus is protocol overhead, you probably don't want to run X over it, rather you get a SOCK08:19
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DocScrutinizerneither you reasonably want to pipe audio thru dbus08:21
DocScrutinizerand heck yeah, you shouldn't even abuse dbus to shove down its throat a message with *all* of your contacts or albums either08:22
DocScrutinizerdbus devels would have done better, if they specified from beginning sth like "max msg size: 50k. max msg thruput: 10/s"08:23
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DocScrutinizersee wiki phonecontrol, if you try to figure a maemo without dbus08:26
DocScrutinizer(virtually) all of those calls are based on dbus for a good reason. Not exactly simple to replace them by some other concept of IPC08:27
kerioDocScrutinizer: fragment *all* the calls! _ò/08:28
kerioDocScrutinizer: people would still push humongous quantities of data through dbus08:29
keriojust slower08:29
kerio*in a slower way08:29
DocScrutinizeryou mean combinatoric explosion by replacing bus by 1<->1 communications?08:30
DocScrutinizer*HUGE* handlers for all the concurrent connections in each process?08:30
DocScrutinizeryes, all known problems08:30
DocScrutinizerthere *are* reasons for a decent bus based IPC08:31
DocScrutinizerproper permissions handling just one of them, and one that's basically unused on maemo (and most other dbus using systems, except HARM)08:32
kerio(as a side note - should i buy a N9? is it good?)08:32
DocScrutinizer*me goes bathroom*08:33
xevtheres a way to install bootmenu/nitdroid  with backupmenu?08:33
DocScrutinizerOMG, I wasn't fast enough to avoid reading this :-/ ;-P08:34
infobothmm... maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED08:35
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xevsorry, i mean multiboot08:36
xevinstalled backupmenu before then  install nitdroid .. but backupmenu is removed..08:36
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DocScrutinizerwe already had above note in /TOPIC of this chan, to make clear what's level of support for multiboot here08:37
kerioDocScrutinizer: so how is one supposed to dual boot?08:38
DocScrutinizerit basically feels like "linux SUCKS! when I install win98 on my linux machine, the bootloader doesn't offer booting to linux anymore"08:39
DocScrutinizerkerio: ask in #nitdroid08:39
xevjust now i have in my boot is maemo, kp49, and nitdroid.. then i want to add backupmenu.. i'm glad if you can point me where to start..08:40
DocScrutinizeras it's not maemo that spoils things here, it's clearly the droid dudes that think they don't need to care about any other system concurrently installed and eventually pushing updates to system and kernel08:40
DocScrutinizerxev: start at:08:41
infobot[maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED08:41
AndrewX192All you need is Maemo anyways08:41
AndrewX192If you're running Android on an N900, something is probably wrong08:41
kerioespecially because android on 128mb of ram is...08:42
AndrewX192I should delete my nitdroid partition08:42
xevbecause last week.. installed this android .. just wanna try it out..08:42
AndrewX192Make all of my 64GB available for use :)08:42
DocScrutinizertoo bad08:42
infobot[maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED08:42
AndrewX192I hope I don't have to reflash any time soon08:43
xevi should have 3 partition isnt?08:43
AndrewX192Because if I do, I'll be utterly screwed with ext4 filesystems and cryptsetup :)08:43
AndrewX192xev: on mmcblk0 yes08:43
DocScrutinizerlisten xev, this is not #nitdroid08:43
xevno.. i'm not asking about nitdroid.08:44
DocScrutinizerfine then08:44
DocScrutinizeryou want backup menu? install it. You got problems with multiboot conflicting with BM? see above08:45
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xev"unable to install backupmenu, Conflict with application packages: Enhanced boot loader for Maemo (0.2.10-1)"08:46
xevthis is BM?08:46
DocScrutinizeryes, BVM==backupmenu08:46
DocScrutinizerenhanced... PFFFFFT08:47
xev\i dont know how do i get this apps08:47
DocScrutinizeryou're screwed, as there's no rollback known to work from nitdroid install. see ~maemo-multiboot08:48
xevunderstand that .. :) thanks08:48
xevi just bought this device .. used.. so i dont know what in there..08:48
xevthen i need to reflash.. isnt?08:49
DocScrutinizersorry about being a bit grumpy, it's just nitdroid/multiboot SUCKS, and tehre were times when we had to tell that stuff 4 times a day here08:49
DocScrutinizeryes, reflash COMBINED08:49
xevthats ok..08:50
xevbrb..  going to have surgery for my device08:50
DocScrutinizerand for completely unknown reasons nitdroid folks are incapable to set up their stuff in a way compatible to uBoot bootmanager that allows flawless coexistence of maemo with e.g. meego08:52
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AndrewX192The N900 is everywhere08:53
DocScrutinizerso unless they get their shit sorted, we are not feeling like giving helpdesk for problems they introduce to whole system08:53
AndrewX192Too bad they only have 11 N900s08:53
OkropNickHi. Anyone know what's going on with ?08:56
AndrewX192OkropNick: It's working just fine?08:56
DocScrutinizerblank page - fsckdup08:56
OkropNickyeah, not working from yesterday in Poland08:57
DocScrutinizeranother test how much of administration maemo infra still gets from Nokia ;-D08:58
DocScrutinizerprobably next week you will get forwarded to URL instead XP08:59
xevguys, sorry to ask again..08:59
DocScrutinizerthey just forgot to put on the "under construction" sign08:59
DocScrutinizerxev: shoot09:00
xevtheres 'original' 2 partition from mmcblk0 isnt?09:00
xevand 1 from rootfs09:00
DocScrutinizererr, 3 on eMMC aka mmcblk009:00
xev= /home /opt /mydoc ?09:01
DocScrutinizeryeah, MyDocs-VFAT, /home-ext3, swap-768MB09:01
DocScrutinizer/opt is a bindmount to /home09:02
dm8tbrisn't swap also on emmc? that would make 3 ;)09:03
xev= /home size about 8gb   , mydocs 21gb  , swap for the rest09:03
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback)09:03
xevand rooffs 256 i think.09:03
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)09:03
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: did I tell sth different?09:03
dm8tbrah, yeah, just waking up, ignore me...09:04
xevso, all suppose to be 32gb09:04
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DocScrutinizert900:~# ls -ld /opt09:04
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            9 Dec 12  2010 /opt -> /home/opt09:04
DocScrutinizerindeed :-)09:05
AndrewX192DocScrutinizer: My favorite part is09:05
AndrewX192drwxr-xr-x   12 root     root             0 Dec 31  1969 sys09:05
xevthanks ..09:06
DocScrutinizerxev: root aka / is on mtd, not on mmc09:06
DocScrutinizerthat's the reason why it's only 240MB size09:07
DocScrutinizerreal phy size, plus ubifs compression on top09:07
DocScrutinizeractually less... :-/09:08
DocScrutinizert900:~# df -h /09:08
DocScrutinizerFilesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on09:08
DocScrutinizerrootfs                  227.9M    188.3M     35.4M  84% /09:08
DocScrutinizerrootfs on / type rootfs (rw)09:09
DocScrutinizerubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc)09:09
AndrewX192I should get another N90009:09
AndrewX192Oh my god09:12! I've missed you so much09:12
AndrewX192I love worthless verbose output being spit out over my console at all times!09:12
AndrewX192Someone should kill this thing09:12
DocScrutinizersomeone should kill your rant, when you'r enot capable to append a >/dev/null to kill the diagnostic output09:14
AndrewX192I haven't got around to modifying that line in BackupMenu09:15
AndrewX192The most I've done to it is fix ext409:15
DocScrutinizeror, (attention, only for 'experts'!) just comment out the echo lines in script09:15
AndrewX192I'd rather complain about the bad choice of making that a default :)09:16
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DocScrutinizerwell, my draft included some quick&dirty "diagnostic output" and obviously it lingered on in ShadowJK 's augmented versions09:18
DocScrutinizerI'd concur it *should* go to &209:18
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DocScrutinizerand possibly get disabled when script is not started interactively09:19
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DocScrutinizerpester robbiethe1st about it ;-P he's fix that one line in BM in no time09:20
DocScrutinizerhe could "fix" the rather weird screen brightness "signalling" of charging as well, rather make that via dirct call to LP5523 to flash the indicator LED, and spend +/- for adjusting screen brightness manually09:22
DocScrutinizeras well09:22
DocScrutinizerAndrewX192: it's not like you're ranting to other users in this chan, it's most likely the devels that are answering ;-)09:23
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AndrewX192Well, when he get back in here, there's another issue with enabling the framebuffer and BackupMenu :)09:26 makes it worse though09:27
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MohammadAGExcess flood eh?09:33
AndrewX192MohammadAG: you're worse than charge.sh09:34
AndrewX192DocScrutinizer: While I'm complaining...09:35
AndrewX192Someone is slacking (T-Mobile?) - my N900 doesn't pick up service for 5 minutes after each reboot09:35
AndrewX192Even with stock09:36
MohammadAGComparing shell scripts and people sounds fun09:36
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AndrewX192MohammadAG: # I hate this hack.  -- Md09:37
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MohammadAGSo you hate me more?09:39
AndrewX192MohammadAG: that is from /etc/event.d/rcS09:43
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rlyI currently don't have my phone locked, but I don't know the previous lock code to give it a new lock code. Can I reset this lock code in some way?12:21
rlyI am talking just about the 4 digit code.12:21
rlyI am semi-afraid that I won't be able to do anything with my phone if I enable the lock code (without knowing the code, naturally).12:22
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xevguys, there's no support from nokia forever for maemo.. i'm correct?12:53
jacekowskiwell, they still support harmattan12:53
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xevat least we have cssu.. ;)12:54
xevand good community..12:54
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rlyDoes anyone know the answer to my earlier question?12:55
jacekowskirly: you can12:56
rlyjacekowski: ok, and how?12:56
gulydefault 12345 ?12:56
jacekowskirly: code_reset from repository12:56
rlyjacekowski: ok, and to what does it reset then?12:56
rlyjacekowski: is it in the default repositories?12:56
rlyAnd default is 12345?12:56
jacekowskiit's commandline tool12:57
jacekowskiso i don't think it shows up in HAM12:57
rlyjacekowski: ok.12:57
rlyjacekowski: thanks12:57
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jacekowskiyou just run it as root12:58
jacekowskiand you're done12:58
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rlyIt would be even more cool, if you had to attach a very small device which acts as a key if you want to use it.12:58
rlySomething cryptographically signed, etc. ;)12:58
rlyJust a semi-random, perhaps not so practical idea.12:59
jacekowskiand besides, you can't enable lock if you don't know the code12:59
rlyjacekowski: does something bad happen if I try more than X times?13:00
rlyjacekowski: I will reset it anyway, but it is still nice to know.13:00
jacekowskiiirc you have to stop for 5 minutes after 5 tries13:00
jacekowskior restart13:00
rlyOk, so you can crack it in a day anyway.13:01
jacekowskinot really13:01
jacekowskilenght is not limited to 5 characters13:01
rlyI was used to 4 ;)_13:01
jacekowskipin numbers can be longer than 4 as well13:02
fizzieWhat's weird about the lock code is that (IIRC) the UI accepts numbers with lengths up to 10 digits, but only the first 8 are meaningful.13:03
gulystill better than crypt() :)13:03
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ShadowJKAndrewX192; directing the output to console seems silly :)14:16
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ShadowJKIf you actually want to see the raw state now and then, directing it to a screen window, x-terminal or a file would make more sense...14:18
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andre__peb: identity crisis?14:33
pebandre_, no playing around with basic functionality (no coffee yet)14:34
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RST38h"Microsoft has introduced a gamification plugin for Visual Studio that lets users win achievements and badges as they compete on leaderboards by writing code. The full list of achievements includes gems like 'Go To Hell' for using goto, and 'Potty Mouth' for using five different curses in one file."17:04
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BCMMRST38h: After long consideration, I have absolutely no idea if that's true.17:13
RST38hBCMM: Apparently, it is17:16
RST38hLong time until April 117:16
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BCMMAfter long consideration, I'm not sure whether I'm surprised.17:22
badcloud_hey all17:22
BCMMalso, lots of cursing and goto? sounds like the Linux kernel.17:22
badcloud_is epiphany only installable in easy debian, or can it be installed on maemo?17:22
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infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer5118:17
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Niloyis it possible to run ubuntu command line app in maemo directly?19:10
Sicelomostly no .. because of arch .. but multi-arch ones sometimes work19:12
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Niloyare you aware of nodejs?19:13
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Siceloyes, never tried it. have nfc if it will work19:14
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AIN2Niloy, yes: if this command line "app" is compiled for ARM, and if maemo has all the libs for it (or if you can make sure that it will have them), then it should be possible. Another way: setting up an ubuntu arm chroot19:16
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infoboti guess nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications19:16
Niloycan someone please try to build nodejs for maemo?19:17
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Niloyanyone? someone? please...19:21
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AndrewX192I heard there was a problem with building nodejs for arm19:48
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RST38hMeanwhile: Teens Share Passwords As a Form of Intimacy19:59
SpeedEvilRST38h: While putting plastic bags over their heads.19:59
SpeedEvilGood enough for members of the government.
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mad_devwhat is the best device for maemo 6?20:04
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RST38hSpeedEvil: Yeah, that too. Have to give them a credit though: they have more or less found the cheapest way to have fun, short of having actual sex20:06
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Sicelomad_dev: it's the one device where it's preinstalled.20:14
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MohammadAGFeds shut down megaupload22:20
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merlin1991feds shut down or is it back?22:26
merlin1991hey it is back22:26
merlin1991apps formeego too22:26
MohammadAGI secretly brought them down to protest but no one noticed22:28
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shanttuwhat could cause that n900 doesn't connect to internet at all? not gprs nor wlan. no questions asked.22:31
shanttuwhen i try to make connect from status menu it doesn't even open the screen to select from connections. cell phone works on 2g and 3g22:31
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merlin1991sfckd wlancond?22:32
merlin1991though that would still allow gprs / the other thing22:32
shanttugot it - wifi switcher - which is _not_ set to disable wlan on startup.22:35
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DocScrutinizer>>110 481 829  downloads served for Maemo 5 (Last update: 2012-01-19 17:01)<<23:27
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DocScrutinizerall those "switchers" are nasty borked hacks, it seems23:30
AndrewX192People on TMO need to stop putting crap on RapidShare/megaupload/ec23:31
jacekowskimegaupload is dead23:32
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AndrewX192Yeah, and so now those files can't be accessed23:33
DocScrutinizeryeah, they closed, took some 48h til alternative URLs wre up23:35
DocScrutinizerI host my warez on my own server ;-P23:37
infobotaegis-no-thanks is, like,
SpeedEvilFinding a nice simple cheap place to host largish files easily - for those not up to do ing the whole shell-server thing isn't easy23:39
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DocScrutinizerjust kidding23:39
DocScrutinizerthough not completely, it's always been a good laugh to see feds of any flavour trying to "take down" a internet service23:40
DocScrutinizerthey seem to me like rentokil dude trying to counteract termites invasion by sitting there holding a huge "STOP" sign23:41
DocScrutinizerlike a fool trying to catch snowflakes so none of them hits the ground23:42
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DocScrutinizerlike stopping drug abuse by arresting one little filthy dealer23:44
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DocScrutinizer"hey, big police success story! we arrested a dealer that otherwise would have sold drugs for ~3000$ a day" - meanwhile: the next dude sells same amount of drugs for 4000$ a day to same clients, at same location23:46
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DocScrutinizerwas it India and the British police/military that tried to keep people from making their own salt by evaporating sea water - as that would ruin the British's business to sell mineral salt with high taxes?23:53
DocScrutinizerthere's always a time for a product, and a time where nobody needs that particular product anymore. Alas RIAA/GEMA/music-industry hasn't yet learnt their lesson from history23:55
DocScrutinizerrather they think selling poor quality overpriced salt^Hmusic will compensate for their vanishing margins23:57
DocScrutinizerthe intelligent musicians already noticed that the "classic" music dealer industry is obsolete, and they are coming up with new business concepts. Live concerts just one of them, crowd funding another23:58

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